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Credlin | 16 October · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Pedo Krandland live on Skying's Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to show. Here's what's coming up on
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Speaker 2: the program tonight. Another point of difference policy difference. The
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Speaker 2: Coalition looking set to take on labor when it comes
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Speaker 2: to public funding for gas projects. This is an acknowledgment
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Speaker 2: of the reality we need gas.
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Speaker 3: If we want the lights to stay on.
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Speaker 2: Now, if the polls are to be believed, it's going
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Speaker 2: to be an electoral wipeout in two weeks time for
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Speaker 2: labor in Queensland, but not before Stephen Miles can do
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Speaker 2: some serious damage with his big spending a gender now
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Speaker 2: putting the Sunshine State's credit rating at risk. Plus a
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Speaker 2: rare intervention from a foreign diplomat, Kevin Ruggs pend a
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Speaker 2: new book about Jijing. Pin is pushing a harder line
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Speaker 2: than he's boss, the Prime Minister, so we'll see whether
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Speaker 2: that's allowed.
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Speaker 3: Under the rules for diplomats.
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Speaker 2: We'll talk to Rex Sheridan in a moment, and there
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Speaker 2: are a few things worse for a Prime minister than
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Speaker 2: see being out of touch.
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Speaker 3: But as we go twenty.
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Speaker 2: Four hours on from that big multi million dollar house purchase,
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Speaker 2: well that's a reality for the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 3: Is the Prime Minister out of touch.
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Speaker 4: I've been saying he's out of touch for a long time.
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Speaker 2: I just think that the timing and the tone of
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Speaker 2: this one, it has been a little bit tone deaf.
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Speaker 5: I think the timing of this is questionable by the
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Speaker 5: Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: We'll stay with that because in politics, it's often the
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Speaker 2: small and simple things.
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Speaker 3: That matter most.
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Speaker 2: Less about the big new policies costing billions. A lot
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Speaker 2: of people don't even know what a billion is, all
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Speaker 2: the fiercely contested issues that fix in voters' minds. Instead,
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Speaker 2: it's more likely to be things they can actually relate
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Speaker 2: to that stick, like Scott Morrison heading off to a
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Speaker 2: holiday in Hawaii, Why Australia burned Bill Shorten's infamous running
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Speaker 2: with its shop assistant over a sausage roll, that handshake
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Speaker 2: between Mark Latham and John Howard, Even my old boss
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Speaker 2: Tony Abbot munching on a raw onion during a farm visit.
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Speaker 2: But I reckon it's the Prime Minister's new four point
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Speaker 2: three million dollar beach house in Copa Cabana that could
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Speaker 2: now frame him forever in nothing else, it says, his
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Speaker 2: tone deaf and as a worn last night. This will
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Speaker 2: have blown up big amongst his backbenches, and looking at
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Speaker 2: all the unnamed MP's going ballistic in the media today,
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Speaker 2: certainly has. This is someone who's spent years burnishing his
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Speaker 2: working class credentials, the Housing commission kid with a mum
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Speaker 2: on the pension.
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Speaker 3: The story he's told us.
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Speaker 2: Over and over and over again during the election campaign
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Speaker 2: and beyond.
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Speaker 6: I grew up in public housing where my mum lived
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Speaker 6: in the same one house.
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Speaker 7: For all of her sixty five years.
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Speaker 6: It's how I have got to a position of the
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Speaker 6: son of a single mum who grew up in public
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Speaker 6: housing to be running for Prime Minister of this country
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Speaker 6: while I'm standing here as Prime Minister of Australia. Is
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Speaker 6: the fact that I had to secure roof over my
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Speaker 6: head of public housing.
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Speaker 2: Now good on him, the charitable will say, for trying
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Speaker 2: hard and making good And why shouldn't someone who's been
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Speaker 2: PM eventually have a good life and a comfortable retirement.
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Speaker 3: Only the bloke's not retired.
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Speaker 2: He's still Prime Minister and he's asking to be re
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Speaker 2: elected in the middle of a housing crisis, a cost
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Speaker 2: of living squeeze with GDP per person going backwards.
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Speaker 3: For six successive quarters.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure a cliff top mansion might figure in a
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Speaker 2: lot of Australian's dreams, but for nineteen nine percent of
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Speaker 2: the population, they'd need to win lotto to have any
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Speaker 2: chance of moving in to his Copacabana pyle. Now, Albanezy
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Speaker 2: had made the right call earlier, putting off his wedding
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Speaker 2: to laughter the election, because the optics of a fancy
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Speaker 2: reception at Kiribilly House will rightly that would have had taxpayers.
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Speaker 3: Up in arms.
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Speaker 2: But he should have made the same call about this
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Speaker 2: beach cliff mansion yesterday. He told us that he knows
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Speaker 2: what it's like to struggle. His mum did, he said,
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Speaker 2: And sure his mum did not him. She raised him
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Speaker 2: as a single parent on a pension. But he's been
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Speaker 2: looked after for a long long time by the labor machine.
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Speaker 2: Straight from student politics at university, ed into political staffing,
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Speaker 2: then assistant secretary of the New South Wales Labor Party,
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Speaker 2: parachuted into a safe seat in the Federal Parliament, promoted
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Speaker 2: on to the front bench by his faction. Now, of
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Speaker 2: course he's in the top job as Prime Minister. Along
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Speaker 2: the way, he's collected a few negatively geared properties and
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Speaker 2: now leaves rent free and two mansions with domestic staff
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Speaker 2: and everything else laid on. As I think I've told
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Speaker 2: you before, forget the milk and bread. The Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: does it even buy his own toothpaste, and with his salary,
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Speaker 2: well most of it would end up in his pocket,
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Speaker 2: unlike most families who shall add hundreds each week at
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Speaker 2: the supermarket. So maybe he does remember what it was
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Speaker 2: like to struggle living with his mum, but that was
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Speaker 2: a long long time ago. I was reminded of Margaret
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Speaker 2: Thatcher's remark when he said what he said, because she
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Speaker 2: said about being a lady.
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Speaker 3: If you have to say you're one, you're not.
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Speaker 2: The inescapable conclusion is the PM is thinking of his
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Speaker 2: future with his purchase.
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Speaker 3: Not ours.
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Speaker 2: He's either out of touch or he's got half a
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Speaker 2: foot out the door, maybe both. Either way, it's smacks
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Speaker 2: of arrogance to think he could buy a place back
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Speaker 2: in September, not say a word about it and think
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Speaker 2: Australians would never find out. But as cranky as taxpayers
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Speaker 2: were today on talkback, I can tell you his marginal
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Speaker 2: seat MPs are much angrier.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: Look with average mortgage holders needing to find at least
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Speaker 2: one thousand dollars more a month just to keep the
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Speaker 2: roof over their heads, and with our country deep in
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Speaker 2: a recession. On an individual basis, the government should be
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Speaker 2: striving to get the economic fundamentals right. That means only
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Speaker 2: spending on what's really necessary, keeping taxes as low as possible,
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Speaker 2: and avoiding needless regulation to make it easiert not harder
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Speaker 2: for people to earn more. Instead, because labour's much better
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Speaker 2: at politics than government, there's all these gimmicks that are
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Speaker 2: about pretending to make things better rather than really making
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Speaker 2: things better. In Queensland, for instance, desperate labor governments using
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Speaker 2: taxpayer funds to try and buy its way back into offers.
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Speaker 2: There's one thousand dollars towards everyone's power bill, even for multimillionaires.
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Speaker 2: There's fifty cent fares on public transport. There's a plan
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Speaker 2: for the nonsense of government run petrol stations.
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Speaker 3: And now there's a.
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Speaker 2: Free lunch too, at least for school kids in the
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Speaker 2: state system. And what's forgotten in all of this is
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Speaker 2: that government can't spend a dollar it doesn't take from you,
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Speaker 2: the taxpayer, either in taxes you pay today, or taxes
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Speaker 2: you'll pay tomorrow, and of course every dollar borrowed has
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Speaker 2: to be repaid, and you could be one hundred percent
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Speaker 2: sure that federal labor or they'll start doing the same
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Speaker 2: thing as their mates in Queensland come the new year
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Speaker 2: when they have to go out and try and buy
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Speaker 2: your vote to stay in power, and they will claim
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Speaker 2: that they can afford to do it because of two
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Speaker 2: accidental budget surpluses. But in the meantime they're resorting to
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Speaker 2: another range of tricks that are about striking a pose
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Speaker 2: rather than making a difference. First there was all that
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Speaker 2: blaming of coals and woolies for price gouging. Then the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister was attacking shrink flation, or charging the same
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Speaker 2: price for a smaller product. In a direct lift of
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Speaker 2: one of Joe Biden's stunts.
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Speaker 8: You will have seen it.
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Speaker 6: A product comes out in new packaging.
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Speaker 7: It's the same price.
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Speaker 6: As before, but the box feels a little bit lighter.
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Speaker 7: It's called shrimp lation.
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Speaker 9: You know.
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Speaker 10: When buying snacks for the game, you might have noticed
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Speaker 10: one thing. Sports drinks bottles are smaller, Bagga chips are
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Speaker 10: few of chips are still charging the chest as much
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Speaker 10: as an ice cream lover. What makes me the most
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Speaker 10: angry is that ice cream courts have actually shrunk in size,
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Speaker 10: not in price. I've had enough of whether they cost shrimpquation.
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Speaker 2: Yesterday it was all about cracking down on debit card charges.
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Speaker 2: The next move leaked out today will be banning so
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Speaker 2: called unfair trading practices that are already not illegal, such
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Speaker 2: as charging the price of something, changing the price of
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Speaker 2: something while in the middle of a purchase, or making
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Speaker 2: it hard to cancel a subscription. Now, as a former insider,
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Speaker 2: it's my job to explain to you all the tricks
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Speaker 2: of politicians use to make you think they're addressing your
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Speaker 2: concerns when they're not actually tackling the fundamentals. And this
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Speaker 2: is all just tinkering around the edges in what's best
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Speaker 2: described as performative politics. That's labor good on the announcement,
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Speaker 2: shocking on the delivery.
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Speaker 3: Bob Catter would have called it or had no Cowboy.
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Speaker 2: Eventually, voters realize they're being had, and a smart voter
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Speaker 2: knows that a free lunch for the nine year old
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Speaker 2: today will eventually have to be paid off by that
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Speaker 2: same kid when they're a taxpayer in a decade's time.
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Speaker 2: If only this government spent as much time sitting behind
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Speaker 2: their desk as they do striking a pose, we would
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Speaker 2: all be better off. All right, We'll go to Camper
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Speaker 2: now for the headlines. Sky News reporter Olivia Caisley good evening.
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Speaker 4: The abys government has backed in the Biden administration's calls
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Speaker 4: for more humanitarian aid for Gaza. The United States says
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Speaker 4: if Israel doesn't comply, it will withhold military support.
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Speaker 5: We have to see that Israel is not arbitrarily denying
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Speaker 5: human Aniterian assistance making it into Gaza.
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Speaker 4: Penny Wong has backed in the United States calls for
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Speaker 4: more aid for Gaza. The humanitarian situation in northern Gaza
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Speaker 4: is unacceptable. Israel must allow essential supplies to flow. I
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Speaker 4: have asked Australia's officials to convey our concerns directly. The
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Speaker 4: Coalition agrees with Labor.
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Speaker 7: It's important that Israel need that message and ensure those
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Speaker 7: humanitarian supplies do reach people, innocent people who need it.
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Speaker 4: It comes as the Foreign Minister was heckled by pro
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Speaker 4: Palestinian demonstrators in Tasmania overnight.
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Speaker 3: Part of what I'm doing in this speech to anybody
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Speaker 3: else who wishes to.
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Speaker 7: Speak but not listen.
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Speaker 3: He's actually trying to lay out some of what we
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Speaker 3: are doing in relation to what is happening in Gaza.
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Speaker 4: And after the Special Envoy for Social Cohesion, Peter Klill's
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Speaker 4: office was targeted over the weekend. The Prime Minister has
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Speaker 4: deflected questions over labor disquiet regarding his purchase of a
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Speaker 4: four point three million dollar property during a housing crisis.
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Speaker 4: He's refused to weigh in regarding reports of internal labor
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Speaker 4: criticism over the timing of the property purchase.
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Speaker 6: I'm focused on getting our help to buy legislation too.
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Speaker 6: I'm focused.
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Speaker 2: Jeez, Louise, the colleagues aren't happy. Let's get the lightest
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Speaker 2: out of camera. I'm joined now Byskynia's political reporters Trudy
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Speaker 2: Macintosh and cam Redden. We'll start with that backlash I
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Speaker 2: said yesterday.
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Speaker 3: It was going to come. These things cut through in
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Speaker 3: a way.
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Speaker 2: Nothing much else does a four point three million dollar home.
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Speaker 2: This is a holiday home. He's got no plans to
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Speaker 2: plans to live in it. If you he's going to
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Speaker 2: go to the election, as he says, and win again,
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Speaker 2: he'll be back in his taxpayer funded mansions.
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Speaker 3: So this is extraordinary that he felt like he had
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Speaker 3: to do it. Now.
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Speaker 2: One of his colleagues says it's an act of self sabotage.
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Speaker 2: Another said it's not a good look. Another said, you'd
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Speaker 2: hate to be in a marginal seat facing a green
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Speaker 2: After that, even Chris Bowen admits that he didn't canvas
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Speaker 2: the idea.
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Speaker 3: With his colleagues. That's a bit rough.
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Speaker 2: I don't expect him to run it by his colleagues.
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Speaker 2: I'd expect you just didn't do it. I mean, truly,
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Speaker 2: he's taken leaving his senses, has it? He The optics
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Speaker 2: are terrible.
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Speaker 11: It's been funny to watch the reaction to this happen
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Speaker 11: so quickly and almost from all fronts.
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Speaker 3: People making the point.
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Speaker 11: At first, you know, it's not who can begrudge someone
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Speaker 11: for buying a property. You got the money, sure, gone
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Speaker 11: by whatever you want. But the question has centered from
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Speaker 11: both within labor ranks but also coalition critics as to
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Speaker 11: the timing of this.
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Speaker 3: It might not be fair if you're sitting erectly ab.
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Speaker 11: Andes He's sitting at home tonight and annoyed that people
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Speaker 11: are criticizing you for this. It's a personal decision you
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Speaker 11: made with your partnership. Already, Hat and her family are
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Speaker 11: from there. But really, this far out, this close to
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Speaker 11: an election, was focused on cost of living and housing affordability.
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Speaker 11: I just think the fact that he thought, Okay, I'm
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Speaker 11: still going to do it anyway, even if there was
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Speaker 11: pushback from within his office, it just raises a bit
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Speaker 11: of a question mark as to whether he thought about
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Speaker 11: it adequately the blowback that there would be.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it looks like he doesn't think he's going
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Speaker 2: to win truty, that he's going to need a place
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Speaker 2: to stay after the election. It doesn't look committed to
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Speaker 2: the electorate. Now he's going to go out there and
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Speaker 2: say to them, vote for me. I'm determined to stick
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Speaker 2: around for a term. He's told his colleagues he's got
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Speaker 2: a big second term agenda. But you know, you don't
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Speaker 2: just buy a house like that four and a half
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Speaker 2: million dollars on a whim.
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Speaker 3: He's thought about it.
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Speaker 2: He has been to the bank, he's got a contingent
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Speaker 2: on the sale of his current investment property. He's going
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Speaker 2: to get the capital gains tax discounts and all the
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Speaker 2: other stuff that it's rumored Labor is going to change
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Speaker 2: is that's what is that what's driving this timing truty?
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Speaker 3: I mean, this is this is the problem with.
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Speaker 11: Well only only he can say, and he's not really
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Speaker 11: been that expansive one it has he I suppose to me.
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Speaker 11: Now the political question is does this blow over or
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Speaker 11: does this become something voters have in the back of
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Speaker 11: their mind Some stories, as you know, Peter cut through
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Speaker 11: more than others, and this is a very simple one
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Speaker 11: for voters to understand compared to their ins and outs
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Speaker 11: of intricate policy. So to me on voting day, is
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Speaker 11: this something that people still remember or are they going
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Speaker 11: to think about other things? So it's a gamble he's taken,
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Speaker 11: but one he's backing in.
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Speaker 2: Well, I reckon it's a bit like Hawaii Scott Morrison's
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Speaker 2: dog with that. Right up until polling day, let's talk
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Speaker 2: about the Queens Lane Pole, because I know you've been
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Speaker 2: up there camp shocking polls today for Korean mail exit pole.
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Speaker 3: We've got early voting underway.
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Speaker 2: Obviously says that there's a forty eight percent primary vote.
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Speaker 3: She is almost fifty for day of CHRISA. Fuley.
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Speaker 2: There's a swing against labor around ten percent. That's uniform
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Speaker 2: it'll be higher and seats are down on thirty in
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Speaker 2: terms of their primary and it comes to Stephen Miles
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Speaker 2: and his self described mentor, a Queensland labor union boss
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Speaker 2: Gary Bullock, have been reported to have been in secret
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Speaker 2: discussions for taxpayers to fund the twenty million dollar state
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Speaker 2: of the art hospitality training center jointly run by Bullock's union.
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Speaker 2: As I said, you've been on the ground, lots of spending,
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Speaker 2: largest school lunches, free trunk of free, fifty cent transport.
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Speaker 2: What's the sense on the ground. What are you hearing?
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Speaker 12: Yeah, there's a real sense of disconnect. I've got to say, Peter,
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Speaker 12: when we did the lap of Queensland over the last
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Speaker 12: ten days up in cans and Townsville and Rockhampton, out
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Speaker 12: to long Reach for a day or so and everywhere
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Speaker 12: we went, I've got to say there was a feeling
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Speaker 12: that labour's headed for oblivion here and that was regardless
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Speaker 12: of pretty much how you spoke to and we spoke
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Speaker 12: to voters, just regular people in every one of those towns,
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Speaker 12: some of them are labor seats for more than a century,
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Speaker 12: the likes of Rockhampton and Mackay, and even there.
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Speaker 3: The two issues.
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Speaker 12: I've got to say that cut through one was crime
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Speaker 12: everywhere we went. It's no surprise why that's been the
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Speaker 12: core of the LMP's campaign. Crime is the number one
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Speaker 12: issue by the length of the straight. The other one
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Speaker 12: that I've got to say has been cutting through is
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Speaker 12: the fifty cent fares, And I wonder if part of
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Speaker 12: the reason the l ANDP is backing that despite the
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Speaker 12: cost of that program is it's just so popular that
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Speaker 12: it would be almost too popular to risk romping it
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Speaker 12: into an.
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Speaker 7: Election to fight that pledge.
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Speaker 12: So ultimately you've got a lot of that underspending that
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Speaker 12: the LNP likely won't have to keep up with free lunches,
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Speaker 12: for example, is a good example there. But I wonder
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Speaker 12: with fifty cent fares, have they just thought, right, that's
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Speaker 12: a cost we're just going to have to cop because
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Speaker 12: we don't really want to open up a new political
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Speaker 12: battlefront that might see labor back in the race. You
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Speaker 12: mentioned those numbers today, Peter. That puts labor not on
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Speaker 12: the back foot, but well into opposition for several terms.
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Speaker 12: And unless you see a Campbell Newman style flip back
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Speaker 12: in a few years time, it should be multiple terms
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Speaker 12: of an LNP government.
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Speaker 9: How next weekend, let's go to age care treaty because
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Speaker 9: there was the deal done between the Coalition and Labor
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Speaker 9: and this could be a sleep I think during the
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Speaker 9: campaign a lot of people are concerned there's grandfathering of
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Speaker 9: these new increases if you are currently in care, but
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Speaker 9: if you're looking towards retirement, you'll.
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Speaker 2: Be impacted by some pretty big changes. But the sector,
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Speaker 2: the providers of age care services have come out to
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Speaker 2: say this is seventy percent of them saying we think
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Speaker 2: these are being rushed. Eighty four percent of the sector
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Speaker 2: say we think it's going to put huge strain on
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Speaker 2: an already strained industry, and a lot of them are
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Speaker 2: worried about can they provide the increased costs of care and.
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Speaker 3: They can't get the staff.
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Speaker 2: We know that there are all those changes by Labor
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Speaker 2: in terms of registered nurses on deck twenty four hours,
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Speaker 2: they're struggling to meet those new requirements.
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Speaker 3: This is a worry and.
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Speaker 11: As well, Peter, the big question mark to me here
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Speaker 11: is whether this actually passes before we get to the election.
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Speaker 11: The Senate, as the Senate Committee looking into the intricate
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Speaker 11: details of this age care shake up, as you say,
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Speaker 11: there's that top line agreement between the Prime Minister and
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Speaker 11: Opposition leader to get this through. But I detected a
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Speaker 11: lot of disquiet really amongst many National MPs. They're concerned
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Speaker 11: about the impact these changes have on their area. So
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Speaker 11: fascinating to see on the other side of that Senate
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Speaker 11: Committee report whether there is division within the coalition and
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Speaker 11: pressure on Peter Dutton to make serious changes to what
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Speaker 11: Labour's put forward.
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Speaker 3: And the clock is ticking. There's just three weeks I
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Speaker 3: think of parliament left.
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Speaker 11: For the year, and there's a chance we don't go
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Speaker 11: back to parliament next year before the PM goes to
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Speaker 11: the poll, so we may actually still be in limbo
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Speaker 11: before the next election, and people in the sector still
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Speaker 11: will face uncertainty as to what's going to be changing.
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Speaker 2: And labor discipline near the grave votue to come back
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Speaker 2: to them in some way they're going to hold on
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Speaker 2: to power. Let's go to this report from Oxford Economics Australia.
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Speaker 3: They say over the last four years, the.
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Speaker 2: Cost of building a new home has surged twenty one percent.
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Speaker 2: It costs almost half a million dollars to build a
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Speaker 2: new home. Mortgage sorry, the average deposit requires gone up
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Speaker 2: by thirty eight percent. Mortgage repayments, we know they've nearly double.
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Speaker 2: This is all in the last four years.
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Speaker 3: Anyone.
19:16
Speaker 2: The people are hurting can and we've got this added complication.
19:20
Speaker 3: We just can't get the trades we need.
19:25
Speaker 12: Yeah, that workforce challenge is the biggest factor in all
19:27
Speaker 12: of that, Peter, because I think the estimate still stands
19:29
Speaker 12: that the Master builders, they say we need six hundred
19:32
Speaker 12: thousand by the end of the decade. We're on track
19:33
Speaker 12: to get about half of that. We're just not getting
19:36
Speaker 12: enough young Australians going through TAFE and through VET courses,
19:39
Speaker 12: but also they're not bringing enough in. So the long
19:42
Speaker 12: and the shorter it is, we just don't have the
19:44
Speaker 12: people to build the houses. The number of all of
19:46
Speaker 12: those that really stands out to me though, is that
19:47
Speaker 12: average deposit thirty eight percent is increasing. That is the
19:51
Speaker 12: point of entry. That's young families, that's about a third
19:54
Speaker 12: of the entire voting population that rents, rocking up to
19:58
Speaker 12: open homes, looking at the display, villagers trying to find
20:01
Speaker 12: a way into the market that can't And I know
20:03
Speaker 12: I mentioned at the top with the Prime Minister and
20:05
Speaker 12: his new home, but these are conversations that actually matter
20:08
Speaker 12: to people, far and away above policy issues individually. Can
20:12
Speaker 12: I get a home? How much am I paying for rent?
20:14
Speaker 12: How can I get my costs down? And you look
20:16
Speaker 12: at it across the country, Peter, in a lot of places,
20:18
Speaker 12: the average mortgage repayment is still somehow lower than the
20:22
Speaker 12: average rent, So being able to stump up that deposit
20:25
Speaker 12: is so crucial for people. And unless there's some way
20:28
Speaker 12: of boosting supply bringing those upfront costs down. Who've seen
20:31
Speaker 12: some states and territories look again at reducing stamp duty
20:34
Speaker 12: and changes around there. These are probably the biggest issues
20:37
Speaker 12: still going into the next campaign, because these are the
20:40
Speaker 12: family table issues that will swing people's votes. And it's
20:43
Speaker 12: no wonder that more renters continually drift towards the Greens,
20:46
Speaker 12: regardless of how viable the platform is that they're putting forward.
20:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I have to just return to the Prime
20:53
Speaker 2: Minister again, because he has now set himself up. He's
20:57
Speaker 2: gone from being the working class kid that was one
20:59
Speaker 2: of his streams negotiating this debate, particularly with the Greens
21:02
Speaker 2: on housing. He's gone now to a position with his
21:05
Speaker 2: big purchase, to fighting with one arm behind his back.
21:08
Speaker 2: On the campaign trial, He's not going to write, you
21:10
Speaker 2: know truly how it is. Every single time he talks
21:13
Speaker 2: about housing and how tough people are doing and how
21:16
Speaker 2: they're struggling to get into the market. Every single time
21:18
Speaker 2: he raises that people are going to think about a
21:21
Speaker 2: house that he's moving into that they would have to
21:23
Speaker 2: win lotto to even get inside. That's where he's I
21:27
Speaker 2: think made a big mistake this week. Thank you both,
21:29
Speaker 2: catch up soon, all right. Never one to shy away
21:32
Speaker 2: from making his opinion, no, Kevin Rudd. He's back set
21:35
Speaker 2: to release a new book entitled on Jijing Ping, which,
21:39
Speaker 2: as the title makes unambiguously clear, is about Gigingping and
21:43
Speaker 2: the way he has quote changed the international order itself. Now,
21:47
Speaker 2: Rudd argues the world needs to write out the threat
21:50
Speaker 2: posed by g either sorry, including both deterrence and diplomacy means,
21:56
Speaker 2: while acknowledging the clear reality that G's ultimate goal is
22:00
Speaker 2: to consolidate China's power as a leader in a new
22:04
Speaker 2: world order. No doubt this position will go down well
22:07
Speaker 2: in Washington. But I'll tell you what, it's a bit
22:10
Speaker 2: unusual for an ambassador to write a book. It's tougher
22:14
Speaker 2: than the Prime minister's official foreign policy line. To discuss this,
22:18
Speaker 2: that's John now By Foreign editor at The Australian, Greg Sheridan.
22:24
Speaker 2: I have to say, you know, if any other AMBO
22:26
Speaker 2: would put out a book that was a little bit
22:29
Speaker 2: tougher and probably counterweighted against the government's official policy, they
22:34
Speaker 2: be cause for that AMBO to stand down or stand
22:36
Speaker 2: aside or something. But Kevin Rudd seems to have immunity.
22:42
Speaker 13: Well, Peter, great to be with you. So look, I
22:45
Speaker 13: think Kevin Rudd is doing a terrifically good job in Washington.
22:48
Speaker 13: Is an extremely good ambassador. The job suits him because
22:52
Speaker 13: he can work twenty four hours a day and there's
22:54
Speaker 13: useful stuff to do. He can work all day in
22:56
Speaker 13: Washington and then he can work all night in the
22:58
Speaker 13: Australian time zone. There's an infinite number of things to do.
23:02
Speaker 13: He's extremely active with both the Democrats and the Republicans,
23:05
Speaker 13: very focused on helping legislation that's relevant to Australian interests
23:09
Speaker 13: get through Congress. I spent a month in the States recently,
23:13
Speaker 13: about half of Washington. He's very very well regarded on
23:16
Speaker 13: both sides of the Aisle. Part of that is his
23:19
Speaker 13: China expertise. Now, I agree with you, Peter, this is
23:22
Speaker 13: unusual for an ambassador, but it's not unheard of, especially
23:25
Speaker 13: for other nations. There was a famous Singaporean ambassador who
23:28
Speaker 13: was in Washington for ten years, a brilliant woman, and
23:32
Speaker 13: she really functioned as one of the main Washington intellectuals,
23:36
Speaker 13: and this was an enormous element of Singapore's soft power. Now,
23:40
Speaker 13: I think the Albanesi government foreign policy is sufficiently vague
23:44
Speaker 13: and all over the shop that you can say the
23:47
Speaker 13: rud version of it fits in within its broad parameters.
23:52
Speaker 13: But I tell you what, the Albanese foreign policy is
23:55
Speaker 13: more or less falling apart, and I think the only
23:59
Speaker 13: bit of it it looks good is the right appointment.
24:03
Speaker 13: And I am fortunate enough to have a copy of
24:05
Speaker 13: this book. It's not short sentences, snappy tabloid journalism or anything,
24:10
Speaker 13: but it is a very profound, serious and persuasive account
24:14
Speaker 13: of Shi Jinping, and I think runs judgments on she
24:17
Speaker 13: are sound. I'm glad to have an Australian you know,
24:20
Speaker 13: official saying this stuff. And I hope the Prime Minister
24:23
Speaker 13: and his Foreign minister read the flaming book.
24:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's more forward leading.
24:29
Speaker 2: I mean, he's basically the employee of the Foreign minister.
24:33
Speaker 2: He's more forward leading than her, and his Trade minister
24:35
Speaker 2: is completely fixated on lobsters, not the threat that we're
24:39
Speaker 2: seeing play out of the Chinese army this week in
24:41
Speaker 2: around Taiwan. That's not what they're talking about. They're absolutely
24:45
Speaker 2: fixated on saying that we've mended the breach, the relationships
24:48
Speaker 2: on good terms. It's all about the trade, the economic upside.
24:52
Speaker 2: But not enough debated here at least in Australia by
24:56
Speaker 2: the government about the continuing threats we're seeing from China.
25:00
Speaker 3: The risks in our region are.
25:02
Speaker 2: The fact that there's been one hundred and fifty odd
25:04
Speaker 2: Chinese aircraft in and around these Taiwanese drills. I mean,
25:08
Speaker 2: where's the government commentary on things like that?
25:12
Speaker 13: Greek Well, you're absolutely right, Peter. I think the government
25:16
Speaker 13: has dropped the ball on China policy, as it has
25:19
Speaker 13: on everything else. The only bit of its security policy
25:22
Speaker 13: which makes any sense at all is that it invites
25:24
Speaker 13: the Americans to put more troops and more assets in Australia.
25:29
Speaker 13: That's good for us, but that's a substitute for us
25:31
Speaker 13: not doing anything ourselves. The only bit of Orcus, which
25:34
Speaker 13: has any reality is the signaling effect. Nothing else about
25:37
Speaker 13: it is pertains to the physical universe. But coming back
25:42
Speaker 13: to Rudd, I agree with you entirely, Peter in your
25:45
Speaker 13: characterization of the government. But this is an unusual, slightly
25:49
Speaker 13: supple arrangement where we're allowing a great public policy intellectual
25:54
Speaker 13: to prosecute his area of expertise. He's very careful in
25:58
Speaker 13: anything he says publicly confradicts the government, and he never
26:01
Speaker 13: criticizes the opposition. I think he's punctilious.
26:04
Speaker 3: About all that.
26:05
Speaker 13: But given how feeble and confused the government has become,
26:10
Speaker 13: I'm grateful. I'd say this to you as a patriotic Australian.
26:14
Speaker 13: I'm grateful that there is one point in our official system,
26:18
Speaker 13: namely our ambassador in Washington, who is speaking the truth
26:21
Speaker 13: to power. And you know, Rudd has dedicated this book
26:24
Speaker 13: to a teacher he had at the A and U,
26:27
Speaker 13: the great Pierre Rickmans. Now, for those of us whose
26:30
Speaker 13: lives are obsessed with China, Pier Rickmans was one of
26:32
Speaker 13: the greatest anti communists of the twentieth century. Was banned
26:36
Speaker 13: from China and his critique of Marxism was root and
26:41
Speaker 13: branch and it was a cultural critique as well as
26:43
Speaker 13: a political critique. Well, in a sense, that's kind of
26:46
Speaker 13: giving the middle finger to the Chinese Communist Party. Well,
26:49
Speaker 13: I'm not really going to criticize a senior Australian official
26:53
Speaker 13: for doing that.
26:56
Speaker 2: I think he lost me way back when he called
26:58
Speaker 2: them the rat efforts coming out of that COP meeting.
27:02
Speaker 2: But we'll leave Kevin run there. Talk to me about
27:04
Speaker 2: the Middle East. I ran into some people yesterday that
27:07
Speaker 2: know quite a bit about Israel and some of the
27:09
Speaker 2: security situations. They said that there will be a response
27:14
Speaker 2: in the next seven days from Israel in relation to Iran.
27:19
Speaker 2: There is talk that they will not hit the nuclear installations.
27:23
Speaker 3: But correct me if I'm wrong.
27:24
Speaker 2: As I understand it, there are different grades of installations,
27:29
Speaker 2: and they were talking about perhaps an attack on the
27:31
Speaker 2: preparatory establishments.
27:35
Speaker 3: What are we hearing? What do we know?
27:36
Speaker 13: Greg, Well, Peter, I think you're, as ever, very well informed.
27:42
Speaker 13: I've been surprised that the Israelis have waited this long.
27:45
Speaker 13: I'm not quite sure when the theater high altitude area
27:48
Speaker 13: defense system that the United States is providing gets to Israel.
27:53
Speaker 13: I think they have to move very quickly because we're
27:56
Speaker 13: coming right into the shadow of the US election, and
27:59
Speaker 13: they don't want to They don't want to be bombing Iran,
28:02
Speaker 13: you know, when we're trying to recount ballots in Pennsylvania
28:06
Speaker 13: and work out whether it's Kamala Harris or or Donald
28:08
Speaker 13: Trump for the next four years. I think it's a
28:12
Speaker 13: pity the way the Biden administration has tried to constrict
28:15
Speaker 13: the Israelis and told them under no circumstances to attack
28:19
Speaker 13: Iran's nuclear facilities. I don't think the Israelis could do
28:23
Speaker 13: a devastating job without American help there. Apparently they've also
28:28
Speaker 13: told them not to attack Iranian oil facilities. The Iranians
28:32
Speaker 13: have made the threat that they would hit Gulf Arab
28:35
Speaker 13: oil facilities if they were attacked there. But again, this
28:38
Speaker 13: is Biden being deterred by the Iranians, but the Iranians
28:41
Speaker 13: not being deterred by by Biden. I think, however, there
28:46
Speaker 13: is a very long list of very juicy targets that
28:49
Speaker 13: the Israelis can hit. I think a really useful thing
28:53
Speaker 13: to do would be to hit military targets, especially missile
28:58
Speaker 13: manufacturing plants.
29:01
Speaker 3: Quods.
29:01
Speaker 13: Force Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, not Kuld's force, the IRGC,
29:08
Speaker 13: that the Iranians, that the Iranians run. And I think
29:13
Speaker 13: it's a pity that Biden has constricted the Israelis, but
29:16
Speaker 13: I think they are going to make a serious strike now.
29:19
Speaker 13: Once they've done that, the Iranians will probably again hit back,
29:23
Speaker 13: and I don't think the Israelis will feel bound by
29:26
Speaker 13: Biden's in strictures after that, although for all of their
29:31
Speaker 13: magnificent independence, the Israelis are very dependent on the Americans
29:35
Speaker 13: and they have to take American concerns pretty seriously.
29:40
Speaker 3: All Right, we'll leave it, deck Grigshar and thank you.
29:42
Speaker 3: See what happens in the next week.
29:44
Speaker 2: All right, after break, a new battlefront in the energy wars.
29:47
Speaker 2: The Coalition backing public funds for gas big news today
29:51
Speaker 2: as part of its energy transition. Plus the corporate green
29:54
Speaker 2: rots go on carbon neutral flights.
29:58
Speaker 3: We'll get down to that one in a moment. X extraordinary,
30:01
Speaker 3: see you soon.
30:06
Speaker 2: Welcome back to a more coming out about Tanya Pleversec's
30:09
Speaker 2: Blaney gold Mine decision. I'll tell you what You've got
30:12
Speaker 2: one Aboriginal leader today, a land Council boss going as
30:15
Speaker 2: so far as to say accusing statement federal governments of
30:20
Speaker 2: mal administration. First, the Coalition sharpening its energy policy with labor,
30:25
Speaker 2: this time over gas. The Coalition says they will include
30:29
Speaker 2: gas in the Capacity Investment Scheme, which is the federal
30:33
Speaker 2: government's flagship policy. It's currently only open to renewables. So
30:38
Speaker 2: it's clear the Coalition wants a fight, and i'd certainly
30:41
Speaker 2: ruffle the feathers of one Chris Bowen.
30:45
Speaker 14: Why is he providing a windfall game to gas companies
30:48
Speaker 14: who are already producing electricity? Secondly, how would his auction
30:51
Speaker 14: work when renewable energy is the cheapest form of energy
30:54
Speaker 14: and will beat a gas proposal in any auction under consideration.
31:00
Speaker 14: So this is just more making it up as he goes.
31:03
Speaker 3: Jesus is a clown. He says, it's the cheapest form
31:06
Speaker 3: of energy. Look at your bill. You tell me if
31:09
Speaker 3: you think he's right.
31:10
Speaker 2: Someone who knows all the detail here, Environment editor for
31:13
Speaker 2: the Australian, Graham Lord, He joins me, Now, well, talk
31:16
Speaker 2: to me about the fight that lives now have opened
31:19
Speaker 2: up on the gas front with the Capacity Investment Scheme.
31:27
Speaker 5: Good evening, Peter, Well, the capacity market should always have
31:31
Speaker 5: been open to gas. I think the whole point of
31:35
Speaker 5: the market's creation was to have things that can firm
31:38
Speaker 5: up renewables when the sun's not shining and the wind's
31:41
Speaker 5: not blowing. In other parts of the world, it's been
31:44
Speaker 5: a mechanism to continue the gas fire generation while firm
31:49
Speaker 5: power is found to replace it. And in Australia, for
31:53
Speaker 5: ideological reasons, we've excluded gas and gas speakers from that mechanism,
31:59
Speaker 5: even though they are potentially the most efficient ways to
32:03
Speaker 5: firm intermittent power. Like mister Bowen is saying, Look, they
32:09
Speaker 5: won't be able to compete on price. The renewables are
32:12
Speaker 5: the cheapest form of energy and all this stuff, but
32:15
Speaker 5: they may be cheap they produce intermittently, but they're not
32:20
Speaker 5: cheap when they're producing firmed power. So that's what the
32:24
Speaker 5: capacity market's all about. And look, if gas can't compete,
32:28
Speaker 5: it won't win. So what's the problem.
32:32
Speaker 2: Well, it's a bit like you know, take away your
32:34
Speaker 2: prohibition on nuclear power labor and if nuclear power doesn't
32:38
Speaker 2: stack up, if the private sector doesn't want to build it,
32:40
Speaker 2: if the market's not there, it's a moot point. Don't
32:43
Speaker 2: tell us it's not viable in Australia. If you won't
32:47
Speaker 2: let the market test the opportunity.
32:51
Speaker 3: That's the problem there.
32:52
Speaker 2: Let's go to that wind zone that's blown up for him,
32:55
Speaker 2: pardon the pun, the Illawarra wind zone.
32:57
Speaker 3: Graham.
32:58
Speaker 2: I spoke to someone last night for one of the
33:00
Speaker 2: groups that is opposed to this wind farm.
33:03
Speaker 3: This is in the Illawarra south of Sydney.
33:06
Speaker 2: It was supposed to have all of these new jobs
33:08
Speaker 2: that were supposed to be you know, fabulous for the
33:11
Speaker 2: environment and all of these things. The community have been
33:13
Speaker 2: up in arms. The company that has pulled out doesn't
33:18
Speaker 2: look like it's going to come back in any stage.
33:21
Speaker 3: So where do you think this leaves things?
33:24
Speaker 5: Well, I think it leaves the offshore wind industry in
33:28
Speaker 5: a really precarious position. The argument is that you need
33:32
Speaker 5: a critical mass to really justify the large infrastructure spending
33:37
Speaker 5: that needs to accompany it. The companies are looking at
33:40
Speaker 5: this and they're saying there's a lot of environmental risk,
33:43
Speaker 5: there's a lot of social risk, there's a lot of
33:45
Speaker 5: financial risk in going ahead. They obviously believe that the
33:50
Speaker 5: way it's been structured off the Illawarra is not attractive.
33:54
Speaker 5: It's an industry that has a lot of problems in
33:58
Speaker 5: other parts of the world to get its act together
34:01
Speaker 5: there as it expands globally. So I think this is
34:05
Speaker 5: a loss to the industry's ambitions to really get a
34:09
Speaker 5: strong foothold in Australia.
34:13
Speaker 3: And look.
34:14
Speaker 2: Staying on the wind farms, I spoke to two farmers,
34:16
Speaker 2: the cattle farmers from a community near Augusta. This is
34:20
Speaker 2: south the west coast corner of Wa. They were opposing
34:24
Speaker 2: a big wind farm installation plan for their area. It's
34:28
Speaker 2: proposed by our company that's owned by the state government,
34:32
Speaker 2: which makes it tricky. But they were saying last night
34:35
Speaker 2: that this is a protected zone under the Federal Environmental
34:39
Speaker 2: Protection and Diversity Conservation Act the APC, And they say,
34:44
Speaker 2: how on earth can you build something like that here
34:47
Speaker 2: given it such a big biodiversity area. And now I
34:50
Speaker 2: asked myself last night, well how can you What do
34:52
Speaker 2: you think?
34:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the fair question, isn't it. By law,
34:59
Speaker 3: all of.
34:59
Speaker 5: These projects have to be assessed under the EPBC for
35:03
Speaker 5: any impact they'll have on listed species, migratory birds and
35:09
Speaker 5: other things. Now you can only hope that the rules
35:13
Speaker 5: will be applied to these wind farms and other very
35:18
Speaker 5: invasive industrial projects in these areas as they are applied
35:23
Speaker 5: to other things that may have a much smaller footprint.
35:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, well see won't we Graham Lloyd? Thank you? See next?
35:32
Speaker 3: Well next, can we get to a hurrimental issue? Right
35:35
Speaker 3: after break?
35:36
Speaker 2: Locals including Indigenous groups still angry at Tanya Pleaver sick
35:40
Speaker 2: this gold might just gets worse and worse for the minister.
35:45
Speaker 2: LUs More details emerge about the shameless campaign by the
35:47
Speaker 2: Environmental Defender's Office against a major gas project. After the break.
35:57
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Wednesday. Kel's coming out at first, that's
36:00
Speaker 2: get into my panel. Shadow Environment Minister Jonathan Dunham and
36:04
Speaker 2: senior fellow at the Menzies Research Center. Columnist with The
36:06
Speaker 2: Australia Nkata. Well, we'll go back to this debacle over
36:10
Speaker 2: the Blaney gold mine. Tannya pleverseec Well, it's just getting
36:14
Speaker 2: worse and worse for the minister. The CEO of the
36:15
Speaker 2: Metropolitan Local Aboriginal Land Council says the government's decision to
36:20
Speaker 2: snub the views of local Land Council members nearly falls
36:24
Speaker 2: into ad mal administration, he says. Nathan Moranz told The
36:29
Speaker 2: Daily Telegraph. On all accounts, the Minister has ignored the
36:33
Speaker 2: local Land Council and engaged in an individual or corporation
36:37
Speaker 2: to provide advice on culture and heritage. That quite frankly
36:40
Speaker 2: for myself, is not authentic. We also learned the minister
36:44
Speaker 2: cited a mural on a New South Wales post office
36:47
Speaker 2: wall as proof of the contested blue banded bee dreaming story.
36:53
Speaker 2: Well now it's been revealed that the artist behind the
36:55
Speaker 2: mural worked for a charity which was loaned twenty eight
36:59
Speaker 2: thousand dollars by the same activist group that opposed the
37:05
Speaker 2: mind It's like an Agatha Christie's story here, Nick, And
37:09
Speaker 2: it'll cost poor on New South Waleses budget, the revenues
37:13
Speaker 2: at all these people who could have got jobs about
37:15
Speaker 2: a billion dollars.
37:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, jobs and opportunities right into the future.
37:22
Speaker 3: Peter.
37:22
Speaker 1: That's the thing. And many of the effects of what
37:25
Speaker 1: this government is doing won't be felt really for another
37:27
Speaker 1: ten years. But look, this is an appalling decision. It's
37:31
Speaker 1: not transparent. We don't know what's going on. It's quite
37:34
Speaker 1: clear to me that the Minister has been land council
37:37
Speaker 1: shopping trying to get the opinion she wants. There's a
37:40
Speaker 1: big problem, by the way, I think with the law
37:42
Speaker 1: in that it does give the Minister sort of powers
37:46
Speaker 1: to really make any decision she wants, and she doesn't
37:49
Speaker 1: have to necessarily do it on one set of evidence.
37:52
Speaker 1: She'll go and look for others. But she said clearly
37:56
Speaker 1: after the fuss about the original decision, she said quite
38:00
Speaker 1: that it was open to this company to go and
38:03
Speaker 1: build another to find another site for their tailings dam,
38:07
Speaker 1: and to carry on with the mind. But this advice,
38:09
Speaker 1: which has now come to light, says that she knew
38:11
Speaker 1: from the very start that this decision would put the
38:15
Speaker 1: kibosh on the whole thing. There's something very strange going on,
38:18
Speaker 1: and I think that the Minister needs to really open
38:22
Speaker 1: up on this. I very much doubt she will. It's
38:25
Speaker 1: sort of almost in Royal Commission territory.
38:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, if she was ever going to lose her seat
38:31
Speaker 2: of Sydney, she would lose it to the Green. This
38:33
Speaker 2: is about votes in her seat and Albertezy seat of Graindler.
38:37
Speaker 2: It has nothing to do with what's happening out there
38:40
Speaker 2: around the mine. Let's go to the Environmental Defender's office
38:44
Speaker 2: because I know you've got them in your Site's senator.
38:47
Speaker 2: One of their experts on Indigenous culture in the failed
38:50
Speaker 2: case against Santos. This is the Barossa Gas project has
38:54
Speaker 2: said he's quote just a white fella and the location
38:58
Speaker 2: of a sensitive indigital set could be moved. The idio's
39:02
Speaker 2: legal bill to block the project for cultural reasons was
39:05
Speaker 2: dismissed by the Federal courtback in January. I mean claims
39:09
Speaker 2: of confected evidence and witness coaching. Now, this is extraordinary, cenaer.
39:16
Speaker 2: And yet you know we fund the EDO to challenge
39:21
Speaker 2: government decisions.
39:24
Speaker 7: Yeah, honestly, I think it's gone beyond defunding the EDO,
39:29
Speaker 7: which is our policy, to starting to ask for them
39:31
Speaker 7: to hand back some of the money. I mean, it's madness.
39:34
Speaker 7: This group is notionally there. If you listen to what
39:37
Speaker 7: tenure PLVUSC has to say to stand up for the
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Speaker 7: little guy, for the farmer who's standing up to the
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Speaker 7: big corporate trying to take over their farm, this is
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Speaker 7: not what they're doing at all. They're notionally supposed to
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Speaker 7: work within the framework of the law to defend the environment.
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Speaker 7: But you've just outlined a litany of activities they've undertaken
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Speaker 7: where federal court judges and others have castigated them for
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Speaker 7: breaking all of the rules and ethical standards that they're
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Speaker 7: supposed to abide by. They are a shameless activist organization.
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Speaker 7: And the fact that after all of these damning findings
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Speaker 7: by officers of the law, these are impartial verdicts being
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Speaker 7: handed down, they decided to guarantee funding for the IDEO
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Speaker 7: at infinitum. There is no end date to the money
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Speaker 7: this government is handing over to challenge government decisions and
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Speaker 7: the hundreds of thousands of jobs that are at risk
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Speaker 7: as a result of these clowns antics.
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Speaker 2: I'll keep put you on if I can about Quantus
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Speaker 2: because I think this is extraordinary, so no surprises. I
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Speaker 2: have never ticked that box when I buy my ticket
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Speaker 2: online that says do you want to fly carbon neutral
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Speaker 2: and pay it an extra five bucks? That whole carbon
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Speaker 2: neutral plan is allegedly a scam. Conscious been pushed really
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Speaker 2: hard and said what are you actually doing about your
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Speaker 2: carbon neutrality? What's your plan to decarbonize? And an environmental
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Speaker 2: group called Climate Integrity has called for the AGRIP We'll
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Speaker 2: see the Consumer Watchdog to launch an investigation saying that
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Speaker 2: Quantus is giving a very false impression of how sustainable
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Speaker 2: flying really is.
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Speaker 7: I mean, honestly, anyone who ticks that box and pays
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Speaker 7: those extra dollars, I think is a fool. I've never
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Speaker 7: done it myself either. To think that you're offsetting any
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Speaker 7: sort of environmental impact or carbon impact from hopping on
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Speaker 7: a jet plane and ticking that box is just madness.
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Speaker 7: And sure, this is the problem with monetizing all of
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Speaker 7: this and these new markets emerging around. How are we
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Speaker 7: going to save the planet and prevent environmental destruction from
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Speaker 7: these nasty jet planes, cars, cows and all the other
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Speaker 7: carbon elching things out there. It's a bit like the
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Speaker 7: modern day snake oil salespeople roaming around the countryside. I'd
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Speaker 7: say good on this group. I don't know much about
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Speaker 7: them for calling it out, But again i'd say your viewers,
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Speaker 7: if you're ticking that box, then you've got more money
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Speaker 7: than sence, don't do it. You're wasting your time.
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Speaker 2: Flights are expensive as it is. We don't need to
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Speaker 2: virtu your signal and pay more. Hey, the pro Palestinian
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Speaker 2: activist Nick who said October seven was a good day
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Speaker 2: at a rally outside of Sydney Mosque, Well, he's had
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Speaker 2: his visa revote. Funny thing is he's already left the country.
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Speaker 2: The government couldn't get it done fast enough. Reportedly he
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Speaker 2: left some time ago.
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Speaker 8: Left for the US.
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Speaker 1: I gathered Peter, so I hope our people have been
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Speaker 1: in touch with their opposite numbers in the US to
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Speaker 1: alert themselves to this guy, this terrorist sympathizer on their way. Look,
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Speaker 1: it's good to see that we've acted. The government has
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Speaker 1: been very, very slow on this, but it's good to
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Speaker 1: see that that at least in one case, they've sent
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Speaker 1: somebody away who was obviously a very bad person. Anybody
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Speaker 1: who backs Hamas on this issue, or backs Hamas in
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Speaker 1: any issue at all, should not be in this country
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Speaker 1: full stop. It's a terrorist organization and if you support them,
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Speaker 1: you're either in jail or you're out of the country
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Speaker 1: one or the other. One or the other is no
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Speaker 1: gray area here whatsoever.
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Speaker 3: You're wrong. We'll finish on this one.
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Speaker 2: If I can't send an a dandium one of your
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Speaker 2: colleagues in New South Wales and Upper House sorry Lower
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Speaker 2: House MP for Listi Wilson.
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Speaker 3: She's vowed to cross.
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Speaker 2: The floor after the party denied a conscience vote on
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Speaker 2: Alex Greenwich's equality Bill, which will allow transgender people to
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Speaker 2: change their their gender on a birth certificate. Now I
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Speaker 2: have to say, with my party history, hat on here
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Speaker 2: a conscience So it's supposed to be about a life
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Speaker 2: and death matter. In Victoria, when they had this same
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Speaker 2: vote a number of years ago, the Liberal Party took
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Speaker 2: a policy position, it took a party room decision. It
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Speaker 2: wasn't a conscience vote. Why does she think it needs
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Speaker 2: to be a conscience vote? Do you think in New
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Speaker 2: South Wales?
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Speaker 7: Oh, you're right. That is the convention by which the
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Speaker 7: Liberal Party abides. This is not something that would I believe,
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Speaker 7: accord conscience vote status. It is for things like abortion, euthanasia,
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Speaker 7: those issues that we've dealt with in the past, life
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Speaker 7: and death matters. As you say, I think there are
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Speaker 7: people out there who try and stretch the bounds. There
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Speaker 7: are issues they feel uncomfortable with. They don't want to
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Speaker 7: look like they're crossing the floor. The other thing i'd
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Speaker 7: say to I mean, it's the Liberal Party that enables
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Speaker 7: their members to cross the floor. If you're a Labor
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Speaker 7: MP or senator, Upperhouse member, whatever you might be, you
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Speaker 7: don't even get that right on issues of party policy.
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Speaker 7: You are booted from the party. So this member of
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Speaker 7: the New South Wales Lower House is in the right
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Speaker 7: party to be able to express her views. If she
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Speaker 7: wants to vote against a party position, which she is doing,
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Speaker 7: then she's entitled to do it, but it shouldn't be
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Speaker 7: a conscience. We've done the right thing, not wrong, not wrong.
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Speaker 3: I'll over there, thank you both.
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Speaker 2: Out of the break, but if words to get through,
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Speaker 2: kel Rich's coming up, as he does every Wednesday, wordsmith
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Speaker 2: and broadcaster Kel Richards joins me now. One of our correspondents.
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Speaker 2: Heather has pointed out a recent report where a shop
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Speaker 2: assistant was rebuked by a customer for calling him mate.
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Speaker 2: She's worried this wonderful old word is dying out.
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Speaker 8: I don't think it is. I don't think it is.
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Speaker 8: I know there's a push to say it's unprofessional and
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Speaker 8: you shouldn't use it, but in fact it's one syllable
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Speaker 8: that sums up what is informal an egalitarian about our society. Now,
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Speaker 8: that's obviously not an Australian word. It goes back to
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Speaker 8: English in the fourteenth century, but and was brought here
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Speaker 8: by the convicts. But the Australian National Dictionary says that
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Speaker 8: it has a specific and extended use in Australia, so
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Speaker 8: we have sort of made it our own as a
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Speaker 8: way of saying we're all equal, we're all on the
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Speaker 8: same level, and we're all relaxed. It captures the idea
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Speaker 8: that we're a code with a society of fellowship and
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Speaker 8: community and we accept each other as we are, and
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Speaker 8: you can talk to a stranger and say, mate, howre
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Speaker 8: you going that kind of thing. I've raised this on
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Speaker 8: my website and someone sent me a note saying, oh,
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Speaker 8: you wouldn't call a High Court judge mate. My point
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Speaker 8: is I think an Australian could I think any attempt.
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Speaker 3: To say mate?
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Speaker 8: Yes, of course, of course, because it's saying we can't
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Speaker 8: use mate, is trying to impose formality and class consciousness
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Speaker 8: on it on us. It's a bad idea. If there
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Speaker 8: is a move away from this, it's unhealthy and we
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Speaker 8: should stick to it. Mate.
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Speaker 3: And you can with your tone.
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Speaker 2: It can be in genuine mate, or it can yes mate,
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Speaker 2: or it can be yeah mate, you know like it
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Speaker 2: can I mean the way you deliver It can mean
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Speaker 2: so many different things.
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Speaker 3: I love it. Hope it ever goes out of style
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Speaker 3: at least why I am around.
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Speaker 2: Hey Bruce wants to know crossing the Rubicon, he says,
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Speaker 2: what does that mean?
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Speaker 8: Kel Rubercon' is a river in northern Italy. Caesar led
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Speaker 8: his troops Julius. Caesar led his troops across the Rubicon
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Speaker 8: in forty nine VC, and he knew once he'd taken
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Speaker 8: that step, which broke the laws of Rome, it meant
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Speaker 8: he was then committed to attacking Rome. So it's taking
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Speaker 8: an irrevocable step, taking a step which you can't draw
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Speaker 8: back from. You're now committed. This is now going on.
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Speaker 8: Or from the name of a river in northern Italy.
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Speaker 8: So Julius, when juliuses across the river, by the way,
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Speaker 8: he said in Latin, not in English, the die is cast.
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Speaker 8: So one event gave us two expressions.
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Speaker 3: There you go, there you go.
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Speaker 2: What about spot On? I say that a lot. Jill says,
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Speaker 2: where does Peter get that one from?
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Speaker 8: From clocks? It's been aroundswers about the nineteen twenties. Clocks
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Speaker 8: originally used to have numbers either at the five minute
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Speaker 8: marks or the fifteen minute marks, and in between were
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Speaker 8: there were spots for the minutes. So when the hand
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Speaker 8: hit the spot, it was hitting the exact minute. Spot
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Speaker 8: On means exactly.
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Speaker 3: That is fantastic. I had no idea.
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Speaker 2: Where can people go to put some more words into
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Speaker 2: our mix for next week?
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Speaker 8: Place kel oswords dot com dot a, u Ozedwards dot
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Speaker 8: com dot a you love to hear from you.
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Speaker 2: Okay, pronunciations as well as definitions will take the whole down.
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Speaker 3: Phrases everything.
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Speaker 2: All right, We'll leave it there, see you next weekkel
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Speaker 2: All right, thank you for your copy.
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Speaker 3: Here's Andrew