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Ghosts and the Fear Factor · Eye Opener Society

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Hey, everyone, and welcome back to EyeOpener Society.
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I want to thank everybody for joining us here again. This is a big episode.
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This is something that I kind of thought of, and Hannah and I,
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we always have multiple ideas, and we put pen to paper a lot of times,
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and we make these things happen just for you, the listeners.
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And I just want to give a big shout out to all of the listeners because we've
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been getting a really big jump on YouTube.
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It's actually really like what we've gotten in one year on our regular podcast
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we achieved in less than a month on YouTube.
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It's absolutely amazing. Yeah. So everybody that's tuning in and listening to
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Hannah and I, we really appreciate it.
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It means so, so much to us. So thank you very much for that.
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And as long as we're talking about podcasts, I just wanted to give a quick shout
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out because, again, we are on Podbean, iOpenerSociety.Podbean.com.
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And I was on one of their Facebook comments, I think, and there was another
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podcast that I just turned on because it seemed pretty interesting to me.
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It's called it's not for the normies and i
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don't know if you heard this it's really a great great show
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the guy's autistic yeah he's autistic he has
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a 10 year old autistic son that came on and did a podcast episode with him i'm
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telling you this kid blew us away yeah and they talk about all the interesting
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things this is just a synopsis it says follow along and listen in to the weird
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and wonderful discussions and conversations with different interesting people
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that are definitely not for the normies.
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So he talks a lot about conspiracy theories and mental health and just random things.
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But when his son, 10 year old kid went in there talking about flat earth conspiracies
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and all this, and this kid knows dates and times, it is absolutely amazing.
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So if you're on Podbean or if you're on all the platforms look for,
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it's not for the normies.
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So coming back to us we are your
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hosts now you have hannah you have
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me gary you also have our other third host britney
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joining us too as well and also in
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the studio with us is our favorite ann lund um you know ann lund for uh our
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show haunted and waiting and lund actually runs the blog haunted and waiting
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and if you look up ann lund on facebook as well follow along with her She's just fantastic.
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She's an inspiring author. Can't wait for that book to come out.
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But she grew up in a haunted house, and I had the pleasure of being in there.
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And we spoke about that on our last podcast episode, and it's always great to
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have Anne on our show. Anne, how are you doing? I'm doing great.
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I'm doing very good. Thank you. And thank you for having me on again.
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Yes, absolutely. It's always exciting. And I think you're going to fit in perfectly with this.
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So we wanted to get back to kind of like, I'm not going to get into the paranormal
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ghost haunting, but I wanted to talk about ghosts and the concept with this.
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We turn on the TV and a lot of people love these ghost hunter shows or some
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of these ghost shows, but there's always a fear factor, You know,
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and Hollywood loves doing this.
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They destroy the religion such as paganism and Wiccan and witchcraft and they
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make it out for something it's not.
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I think these shows are designed to make you fear ghosts.
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Now, in the metaphysical community, there's a lot of people with some gifts
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where they're able to contact the unliving.
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They're able to communicate with spirit.
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And that not necessarily is any kind of a bad thing. And they use this to help
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people, to help guide people.
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But if you're like you and I, and we don't have that gift, or maybe we just
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don't know how to use it, we may be startled because we might run into some
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sort of paranormal activity,
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or we might hear something from beyond, you never know.
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And I think we all have some sort of story, you know, that we can share.
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But is this something to be feared?
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And that's the first thing I wanted to to go around the table with.
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And I wanted to start real quick with, Anne, since you did grow up in that haunted
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home, I mean, was it terrifying?
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And did you get used to it? Or is it something that's always terrifying to you?
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So I think initially I was young, you know, I was around nine,
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between nine and 11 when the hauntings were pretty vivid.
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Yeah, I would say it was scary. But I think as I've gotten older,
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you know, now I'm in my 50s, I don't find hauntings scary at all.
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And I think a lot of that has to do with when you've had experience.
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So I think the first couple of experiences you may have, yes,
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I can understand that they would be terrifying because it's something you don't understand.
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But I wouldn't tell anybody to be afraid of a haunting.
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I don't think there's really anything that they can do to you.
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I think it's, if anything, they're trying, if it's an intelligent spirit,
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it's trying to communicate with you in some way.
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So yeah i i tend to agree with
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that uh and like how do you
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like would you be like completely fearful if
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you had like some sort of an encounter i don't
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think so really i mean i just
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think it would depend on what type of
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ghost is coming to me i because like i in my head like
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there's different types of ghosts you know what i mean um so
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i guess it would all just depend you know
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on what type of experience it was like if it was just like angry you know i
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feel like i would probably be a little bit freaked out but if it was just like
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someone who was like like like suffering or you know someone like that i know
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um then i think it would be emotional,
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emotional but yeah yeah we're gonna
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get back to that when you just mentioned emotional and
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it's gonna come in a little bit later but yeah you definitely hit it
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in there yeah for me absolutely now uh
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britney i spoken to you um early even before the show and you said you would
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be completely frightened by the experience absolutely 100 i would probably be
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in tears or Or it would just,
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I don't want to say ruin my day,
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but it would probably take me a while to recover if I had something.
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Like anytime I see that on TV or I hear about it, it's like a topic that I avoid.
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Right. And is there a reason behind that though, Brittany?
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Like, is it just because you never really experienced it or you just feel like
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that's something that would frighten you? Where does it come from?
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I don't know if it's so much like an experience that I had because there were
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times when my mom said I was a little my grandfather I would say that he came
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and talked to me like while I was in my crib or like sleeping or whatever but I,
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I've never had anything. I guess it's just always been a fear,
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like with how Hollywood makes it and adds that fear factor in.
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It's just something that I can't anything that's scary.
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I completely withdraw from. I'm like, I want nothing to do with it.
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I don't want to think about it.
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Yeah, I feel that. I don't do scary movies either. I'm like, no, no, I will not sleep.
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I will throw up. I don't like it. So I feel you on that. But I feel like,
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I don't know, like I just like, I guess, open my mind and I'm like,
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you know what, it would just honestly depend.
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Like if it was something like scary, you know, like how Hollywood makes it out
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to be, I'd be like shitting my pants.
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But like if it was something like, like I said, emotional, we'll touch base
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later on it. But I think I'd be like more open and like calm.
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You know, initial, I'd be like, you know, like freak out. But like then I'd
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be like, all right, this is what this is. Okay.
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And I think too, when I had a couple of experiences myself, but I did have an
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experience and it was absolutely the most terrifying thing in my life.
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And I think this goes back to Hannah, which you had said too.
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I guess it depends on what type of experience it is.
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Whatever it was that I seen that day in that car along the Connecticut border
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of New York, it was absolutely terrifying. Terrifying.
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And again, I just think it was the type of spirit or whatever it was that we
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had seen that just was out of place.
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And it probably had nothing to do with me or my friend.
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It was just something that was there and it absolutely terrorized us. Yeah.
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So, yeah, I think it does boil down to the type of haunting,
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the type of spirit, what they're doing, because here's the thing.
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And I'll I'll refer to you there.
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And sometimes I think ghosts, especially if they're intelligent hauntings or
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some of the things you experience with their moving objects and all that,
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that can be frightening.
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But is that more because I think they're trying to get your attention for some reason?
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Yeah. And I'm glad you kind of brought that up because there's different types of hauntings or ghosts.
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An intelligent, it doesn't mean that they're necessarily, like there's no such
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thing as a stupid ghost, but an intelligent haunting basically means it's a
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spirit or an unlived person who is trying to come through and give you a message of some sort.
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And so I just I want to just ask Brittany have you ever gone to
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like a a medium or you know
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sometimes they have like those medium parties I've been
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to a couple and and somebody comes through and they
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have some information that there's no way the the
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medium could have possibly known and they knew about this person that kind of
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convinces you has that ever happened to you um so I've never been to a medium
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per se like never it's always something I've been really interested in um so
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So I'm just going to kind of preface this and say that I do believe in spirits.
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I feel like that I had, most recently my grandma passed away and she's in different
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ways visited me, but it's a whole different experience.
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I think when I think of a ghost, I tie it to like, I guess a traumatic incident,
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whether that person's like.
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Stuck in that house or stuck in that place because something bad happened um but spirit wise.
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My son's family on his dad's side uh his it would be his great aunt um she has
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spirits come through to her all the time and um she will relay that to us and
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it's things that That she would never know. Okay.
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Yeah. So it sounds to me like you're more, you seem to be more frightened of
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like a residual haunting kind of a thing.
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Like where you'll, like you'll see these things on TV, like somebody was murdered
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in a house and they're just kind of still locked in that house.
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And they're coming through with visions to the people that live there and terrifying
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them. That's more of the thing that scares you.
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Correct. Okay. Okay. I can understand that. And again, I think the way to look
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at that is those kinds of quote unquote hauntings, they're not intelligent.
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So they can't do anything to you because they're not trying to communicate with you.
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That's just an energy that's in that house or that area, if that makes any sense.
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And I know it could set you off and scare you because it's not something you would expect.
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But I can almost assure you that that's of no danger to you.
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For what it's worth. Yeah. Thankfully, I don't remember having or ever seen
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any ghosts, but I definitely think I might wet my pants a little bit if I ever
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did have one of those encounters.
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Because that is, to me, it's just something I associate here.
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And it would be something really hard to, I guess, relearn or be kind of open-minded to.
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Okay. Okay, I can respect that. I think also,
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I think you have to be willing, or part of you has to be, unless you're naturally
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gifted in that way, part of you has to be willing to communicate with a ghost
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for you to actually see one.
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So I think in your situation, being that you really want nothing to do with
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this, that probably nothing would come through to you.
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Though it's interesting that your mom said that when you were a child,
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you had these conversations with, I guess it was your grandfather.
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Okay, you're muted. I'm sorry. Sorry. Yeah, that would be my grandfather.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so you might have a gift there that maybe you've blocked.
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I'm just saying because not everybody has that.
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Yeah, I wouldn't even know if I did have a gift where to start to unblock that fear.
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And it's interesting to say that because I feel like maybe I don't have the
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gift, But maybe my son does have that gift just based off of some of the things he has said to me.
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Because unfortunately, even though my son's younger, he's suffered a good bit
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of loss since he's been earthside.
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Oh, okay. Has he seen anything?
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Yeah, just actually, and I started to talk to Gary about this.
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He was on the bus and his gammy, which is his grandma, she had passed away when
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he was three, almost four.
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And that's, you know, he knows of pictures and stuff, but it's not something that we...
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It's been almost six years, so it's not something we really talked about.
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But the one, he said the one day he was on the bus, he just felt somebody's hand on him.
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And he said it was Gammy and that she was there with him.
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So that was very, I guess, emotional for me.
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It brought tears to my eyes because it's not something we bring up.
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And so and I didn't pry too much because I didn't want to like overwhelm him
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because I'm sure that was overwhelming for him to begin with.
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Yes. Yes, I would agree. I mean, I think with how you said you wouldn't know
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where to start to, you know, relinquish that fear.
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Fear I definitely think like how Ann said
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like maybe even seeing a medium and seeing like you know you obviously have
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to be open-minded when you go there but I think that would be a good step for
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you if that's something that you would be even you know interested in to remove
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that fear from you and or even just at least be more open-minded towards it
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I think that would be a good first step.
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Um, I've seen one, um, and it was definitely very, very emotional for me.
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Um, but it had allowed me to experience or have experiences that I don't think
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I would have had if I didn't see this, like a medium.
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There's, uh, I don't know if you remember I remember Teresa Caputa,
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she was on like TLC and big hair.
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Yeah. She really sparked my interest in mediums and potentially seeing one and
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getting, seeing if there was anybody who connected with me that has since passed over.
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I've seen like the person that I saw was like a, I don't know if like they come
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kind of hand in hand, but like a psychic and a medium or something like that,
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where like they could touch, like they could speak.
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And like two people um like they um she like spoke to my best friend who passed
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away and then she also was like able to like you know i guess like give me somewhat
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like i guess predictions or like see like in the future for me um and some of
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the stuff that she has like and i never met this lady before.
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She knew nothing about me. Um,
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And so and some of the things that she said has happened in different ways.
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But I like go back and I'm like, holy shit.
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But so, yeah, it's definitely opened up my mind as far as that goes,
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because I feel like like you said, it was just kind of like that Hollywood thing
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where you're like, oh, I don't want to I don't want to have that.
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I don't want to have that now. I'm just like, OK, it is what it is. Bring it on.
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Unless you're scary. Back the fuck up. I don't want you.
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I'm there. Thank you. And this this would take me back.
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I know we've, we're talking emotions and everybody has a different emotional
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connection and this goes like, if your child is seeing something,
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especially as a lost relative,
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this is where I'm saying, I don't think it should be fear at that point because
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you're looking at like a grandmother still looking out over a child.
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Uh, you know, you could still have a connection with lost loved ones.
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So that's where the fear should stop. I mean, obviously, it's nothing we're
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used to, and it's probably an uncomfortable feeling at first.
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But just knowing that these spirits are watching over us and probably still
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communicating with us, that's where the fear should end.
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But we're talking now children, and I know all of you have children.
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And we spoke about this too before.
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We're talking about children tend to see things more than adults,
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or at least they're able to communicate more.
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And we were both in agreeance with the fact that, well, children are closer
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to the spiritual realm just because their life is new and they're still connected
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to it. At least that's my feeling.
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As we get older, we get deprogrammed of this and we start to come into this
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here crazy real world that we don't really like, but we lose that connection
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that we have to our previous life.
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Yeah. And I like that you talked about the programming because I think,
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you know, even if you're a child that sees a lot of things and then you start
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talking about it, what's the first thing most people will say?
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Your friends will say you're crazy.
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You were dreaming. You've got, you know, an imagination.
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They tell you all this. Here you are, a little kid. And what are you going to
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do? You're actually because it doesn't make sense. Right. Nobody else sees it. But you.
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So what are you going to do? You're going to internalize that.
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And it kind of saddens me in a way because I wonder sometimes if we all would
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have had this power or gifts,
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whatever you want to call it, if it wasn't like you use the word deprogrammed. That's how I see it.
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She had said that and it makes me think like when I had like my encounter,
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you know, when my best friend passed away, you know, I was shunned off as,
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you know, your mind was just showing you something that you wanted to see.
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Um but i don't think it was that well we
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could look at shunned and we could also look at ridicule too yeah this
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society is absolutely crazy when it comes to
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that we ridicule each other for you know certain beliefs and
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you know stuff there's some religions that actually believe i
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mean even christianity uh the father and
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the son and the holy ghost it's all part of religions
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and all but we ridicule everybody for our beliefs it's
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it's ghost yeah i thought it was yeah holy spirit
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but it's they used to actually say holy ghost and it
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was explained at least when i was in cat they did away with uh holy ghost because
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the word goes but spirit is the exact same thing but spirit's like the nicer
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term and people don't get scared of it but that's it people are scared of certain
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things and i don't understand why we're scared of words or things like past relatives and all.
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Where I would think it's a little bit different, like, if you go into another
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home, like, Anne, you know, grew up in this haunted home, and it was other spirits
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that were not connected to her family or anything.
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So it gets a little bit more fearful, but there's still, you know,
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listen, if you had that gift to speak to them, you know the things you might
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learn, I think would be absolutely fascinating.
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You know, these here people could have moved on into the other realm,
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but they left things that are still open here.
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Like, you know, things that they never, you know, I guess connected with or,
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you know, they never solved or whatever.
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Yeah. And they're just trying, you know, if they're picking up that you see
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them or you feel them, they'll intensify that.
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But like, you know, Anne had objects moved and stuff like that.
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Unless you anger them. and and we i remember when
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we play with that ouija board i mean we angered them so
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it's it's a big difference you know talking
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about this i know i'm gonna like get a dirty ass look but
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it really makes me think of that ghost whisperer show where like
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she sees the ghosts and like they have things left unfinished
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and she helps like you know have
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them do it i know it's that's complete hollywood but it makes me think
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you know like that idea was probably like if you look at it at a broader like
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spectrum like that idea was probably like of the show was brought up by probably
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someone experiencing something like that maybe you know oh absolutely yeah i
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mean like i said we're we are still kind of talking hollywood because it's a whole concept.
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They they kind of make it hollywood yeah you
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know but the concept is on the right track
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yeah but yeah she sees the ghost and
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then they try to help them so they can go to the other side or
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whatever you know or a be at peace um so yeah
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there's probably you know someone out there like i would that would be badass like
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i would love that like yeah oh yeah and we all like oh your mom like my wife
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is extremely connected and when she went to see angelo the psychic and all and
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he said um that she does a gaggle of women that follow her and ancestors and i think i think
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it was five if i'm not mistaken yeah five and i've experienced
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those five like i
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i felt a couple of times a presence like when they are communicating with her
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usually when she's asleep i can actually feel it at times and it's very powerful
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and they they're like literally pushing me out you know yeah completely and
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it's focused in on her and they're protecting her so i know I know she has that gift.
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It's just a matter of understanding it. Yeah.
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And using it to the point where you're able to communicate in a way that it's not frightening. Yeah.
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Yeah, it creeps me out because, too, a little bit.
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Because, like, she'll go to, like, these places, like...
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What was that place up in Lancaster, Wrightsville or something like that area?
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They had went on like this night thingy. And she's like, I just kept telling
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this guy, like, you can't come home with me.
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Like, and I was like, what? Like, and it was like, it was a spirit.
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And she was like, he was just kept trying to follow me. And I just kept telling
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him, like, you can't come home with me. I'm sorry.
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Like, I'll talk to you here, but that's it. And I was just like,
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okay, that's a little creepy.
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I'm like, mom, you need to sage the house. house like and she's
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like no she didn't follow me so she was saying she actually saw she
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saw him i don't know if she saw him but
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she felt him like so vividly that like
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yeah like and then also that same night
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she said that there was a little boy and i think she was able
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to like i don't know if she physically saw him but i don't know if it was just
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so powerful that she could mentally see him because she like i think she told
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me like what he looked like and i just don't recall call like what he looked
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like but she was able to tell me like what he looked like and stuff like that
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which was like so devastated to me because you know you think about like a little child.
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She's very very powerful when it comes to that so it's like fascinating but
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frightening at the same time because i'm like please don't bring no one home
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and she wasn't scared though right no no she and that's what i find go ahead
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and i'm sorry i was gonna say that's what i find people People that are truly,
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truly gifted like that, like your mom, they're not scared.
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And so that, if anything, Brittany, that should be a little bit calming to you.
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And the thing that's really sad, there are a lot of quacks, right?
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There are people that go like, oh, there's a...
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I see a guy there, he's talking... And they're quacks. I mean, I hate to say it.
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And I think they're the ones that ruin it for the people that are really connected.
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I don't think I'm I really don't think I'm connected, but I've had experiences
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and I know people that are connected.
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And, you know, the fact that she's not scared is what I'm saying.
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And people that are really connected tend to not be scared, you know.
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So I don't think I'm connected either.
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I just think I've had like I have brought on my own experiences because in like
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a moment of like weakness,
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you know, like I just like forced my energy on trying to keep something like
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keep me going for something.
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And it brought me experiences. But I think unfortunately, it's not that I'm closed minded.
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It's just I just don't think I have that full ability to do that for myself.
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I definitely believe in spirits and I still feel that my grandma is with me
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she passed away in September of 22 and.
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On my first birthday, after she had passed, she always called me.
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Every birthday, it never failed in the morning.
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If she didn't get a hold of me, she'd leave me a message, and then I'd call
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her back and we would talk.
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So that first birthday was really difficult for me.
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But when I went into work, my co-workers had threw a surprise birthday party for me.
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And one of my older co-workers who
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actually reminded me a lot of my grandmother had made
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me a vase with artificial flowers in it and in the artificial flowers was a
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cardinal and my grandmother absolutely loved cardinals and they say that cardinals
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when you see a cardinal it's somebody that's passed away.
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So that just had come full circle with me. And I was crying and I said, I love you, Grammy.
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Thanks for just letting me know that you're still here.
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And then after work, my son was in track and field and I go out to his school.
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And when I'm pulling out of his school, there's a bus and the buses run 10 and
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it's the company that my grandma used to drive for.
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So So it was her bus, what she would drive, and I was pulling out of the school as I pulled in.
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And to me, that was another sign of her just letting me know that she's still
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with me. And automatically, I was in tears.
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It just meant so much because she was such an influential person in my life
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and helped raise us and always took care of us.
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So I guess I'm more open to the positive things.
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I'm thinking of all the people that in my life that have passed,
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they've all been close friends or family members.
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So I don't think any of them would haunt me.
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Visit you. Yeah, visit me. My life isn't better.
28:35
I just, I guess when I think of ghosts, it's like the Gettysburg,
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like they have all those ghost tours there.
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And then like Williamsburg, Virginia.
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I don't know if any of you guys have ever been there, but I had went one time
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and it was just so overwhelming for me because of the people have passed.
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And maybe that's why I associate it with negative, like a negative thought.
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Hmm. I can say for certain with, you know, if we want to talk about emotion, most of the times...
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These encounters with ghosts or spirits, whatever you want to name them,
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there's an emotional connection, especially if it is a lost family member or
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a lost friend or whatever.
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It's going to be an emotional experience because it's so connecting and it's
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something that's still so not understood.
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So when we have these encounters, yes, they're going to affect us emotionally.
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And we sometimes we don't know exactly how to handle them because it's just
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not in the norm for this to happen.
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So I think if we start to normalize it a little bit where we can actually,
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you know, say, hey, this is just another way of communicating,
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because that's really what it is.
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Like, I don't find myself gifted or I'm not sure if I have that gift myself.
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However, if I go into a deep enough state of meditation, you're opening yourself up.
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You become like an antenna and you just start to receive things that are not
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from here in this 3D earth.
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You're going to open yourself up more to that higher five, fifth dimension and
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all. And you might get signs, symbols like Brittany talking about the bus and, you know, the carnals.
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These are signs that are telling us something.
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You know, we don't actually always have to have a full on ghost type of communication.
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Communication, but these signs that are there that are triggering you to say,
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hey, this is a reminder of that person and that person's still with me and they're
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still looking out after me because they're giving you these signs.
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So, yeah, it is emotional.
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And most of the time, it's kind of like you said, they come at an emotional time.
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Sometimes when you're at your lowest, your weakest, you'll have these,
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but it can also happen when you're at your highest and you are in that high state of vibration too.
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And it's going to draw more positive experiences for you.
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And then, like I say, it could also be the complete other way around.
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Like if you are going on these ghost hunts, Gettysburg and stuff like that,
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Williamsburg, we're surrounded by the spirits of others that were suffering,
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that died in battle and stuff like that.
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We all are energy so our physical bodies die but where does this energy go i
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mean energy cannot be you know created nor destroyed so it's go someplace uh
31:44
so whether you have a residual you know haunting which a lot of times is probably
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the most common it's just something that's,
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goes on it's like on repeat and you hear the same thing or you see the same
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thing in a certain time that's the energy that's left behind or you get into
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these more intelligent hauntings like Like in Anne Lund's condition in her home there in the Bronx,
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things would happen. Things will move because it's physical.
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They're reaching out. So it's more intelligent type of a haunt.
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There's so many different types. And I think really the answer to the question
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that this show is trying to say, should we fear it?
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We shouldn't fear it. We need to understand it more and normalize it more.
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But every uh individual experience is
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going to be a little bit different depending on what you encounter from
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the other side there are some people like my wife who can just open up and basically
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communicate with any of them some are going to be good some are going to be
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bad and and um i know you mentioned she's not scared but there were times when
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she was absolutely frightened Frightened.
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And just like in real life, there's good people, there's bad people.
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And when you move on, that doesn't really change, I don't think.
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Because I'm not the type that believes in heaven and hell. I think it's all
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the same. It's just another realm.
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There's still that yin and yang. There's still good. There's still evil.
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So I think that's, you know, another part of fear. It just depends on the type of experience you have.
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And just because sometimes it might be a negative experience doesn't mean that
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they're all going to be negative.
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I think it's just based on your vibrations and how you handle it.
33:28
Um so in conclusion i
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just want to go around real quick uh britney your
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entire you know experience is in
33:36
all right uh now that
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we've spoken a little bit more about it and you might have a slight
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more you know understanding of it is it
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something that you think should be normalized and should
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be practiced like should we be open to this sort of thing oh
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i absolutely think we should be open to it um and that's why when my son had
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told me that i didn't want to overwhelm him i didn't want to like shut him down
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or um like make him feel like it wasn't normal and one of the things he said
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to me is if you ever feel a hand on your back and nobody's around.
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It's your it's your grammy and i that to me was huge so i myself would like
34:23
not to be so scared of ghosts maybe and there are things that both you and Anne have said that.
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Open my mind a little bit. I'll be honest. I'm still going to be scared,
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but definitely mind opening here.
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Very good. And, and I, to our listeners that, you know, might be interested
34:46
too, but you living in a haunted house, I think other people are in that same
34:52
situation and they're fearing it because they don't understand it.
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Is there anything you could say to them to put them a little bit more at ease?
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The one thing I, the one thing I wrapped my head around it is I was never physically hurt, like nothing.
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And I think when I realized that, that, you know, I'm not physically getting
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hurt, this, this entity, whatever you want to call it, is a really no harm.
35:17
And so then I would start asking myself, well, what does he want?
35:21
So I don't know if you know this, Brittany, but I saw, I saw a ghost when I
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was young and And he was as clear as you are.
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The way you look to me right now is how he looked. He was three-dimensional, whatever.
35:34
He said nothing to me, but he
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looked at me. And there was a definite connection that we saw each other.
35:39
So you want to talk about scary. And I was nine.
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So I was a little bit older than your son. So a little more cognizant maybe
35:47
than like a three-year-old.
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And that happened one time, full body manifestation, you want to call it.
35:54
But then the house had a bunch of like little creepy things happen.
35:58
It probably would scare you, but I was never physically hurt.
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And so I think when I came to terms with that, then I would say to myself,
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well, what does this person or this entity want?
36:08
And sadly, I never did find out.
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And, you know, this is now what, four years later.
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That's the big mystery of my life, I guess you could say. I always kind of wanted
36:18
to try to figure it out, like looking at the history. And we never did figure it out.
36:23
But yes, you could get emotionally hurt.
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I get it. It could scare you, but I'm still here, you know, and I consider myself
36:31
lucky to have had that experience because it's not an experience a lot of people have.
36:37
So, I know it sounds infantile, but I was never hurt by it.
36:42
Right. Just a little scary in the beginning until we got used to it.
36:48
Yeah. And I think, like, I know, and it's based again on Hollywood.
36:53
You get some people, they get scratches or stuff on.
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But those physical wounds are so minor.
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I think a cat scratch would probably be worse than the things I've seen.
37:06
So if it's just a
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spirit that's trying to reach out get your attention how those
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scratches wind up on people and all i'm not
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sure and again we're looking at tv and maybe people
37:19
have had real life experiences where they
37:22
might have gotten like some sort of physical wound but
37:25
i don't recall anybody ever getting something so
37:29
bad other than a small scratch appears
37:32
on them or something like that so yeah
37:35
i don't think we need to fear actual physical
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harm now objects can
37:42
move sometimes and you know you might be in the path of
37:45
that moving object but i don't think really
37:48
it's intentional but again i
37:51
also believe in the evil side of things and
37:55
there could be evil but again even the evil it's in another
37:58
dimension and i don't believe that it's strong
38:01
enough to cross dimensions mentions yet to the point where it can actually harm
38:06
you yeah and i could be wrong because i believe that there may be people whom
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have been maybe physically but i think more emotionally scarred by this because
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they maybe the entities are using that fear against them.
38:22
So go ahead and i'm sorry britney I definitely think mine's more emotional fear than physical fear. Um,
38:38
And I think the emotional fear probably would come from just thinking through
38:44
this, somebody I didn't know, the unknown.
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So if it's somebody I do know, while it may be different, it is a little comforting in a way.
38:56
Where if it was somebody like you saw, Anne, I think that emotional fear would
39:02
take over. I've never, like, feared physical harm from a ghost.
39:09
Right. And I can understand that because, you know, to back you up on that, it was scary.
39:17
I'm not going to say I saw it like, oh, this is great. I can see something no
39:20
one else sees. It was frightening. It was horrifying.
39:24
But actually what made it even worse was when I began telling people and they
39:28
were basically telling me I was making it up or there was something wrong with
39:32
me. I was lucky that in my house, I had one other individual who was also seeing things. One person.
39:38
So I had somebody to back me up, so to speak. And then when things would happen, she...
39:46
You know, she was a voice of reason, I guess I could go to her and she was like,
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Oh, yeah, this is what happened.
39:52
So, yeah, and interestingly enough, if I could just add, there's a,
39:56
I don't know if I mentioned this to you guys, but across the street from my
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house, there's a 300 year old, I was like 250, or maybe 300 year old house. It's a historic house.
40:06
And there was a family that lived there. It was very friendly with the mother.
40:10
She actually gave birth to her four children in the house.
40:14
So she was very connected to that house, just primarily connected to that house.
40:19
She had her four children there.
40:21
And there was a, I call him, I'm not going to give him his name,
40:24
but I did the research on it.
40:26
There was a ghost in that house because a young boy had died,
40:29
a 16-year-old boy had died.
40:31
And there were talks about maybe how he died was a suicide. He was in a car
40:35
accident. He ran into a tree.
40:37
Long story short, this boy occupied this house right across the street.
40:42
And I actually have an EVP of his voice.
40:45
I just wish I could share it. I just don't know how to share it. It's on my old phone.
40:50
But her children, and this is why I want to just mention this to Brittany with
40:54
her son, her children all saw Alan, this boy.
40:59
And they were in the house for seven or eight years before where they moved
41:02
and they were totally comfortable with him and they all saw him all the time. I didn't, I never did.
41:09
And I had been in the house many times, never experienced anything.
41:11
But I think because the mother basically said, this is normal, this is fine.
41:16
They continued to see him. And it was really interesting to talk to these kids.
41:21
They weren't lying. They definitely saw something.
41:25
But I give kudos to that mom because she was also on a spiritual realm,
41:30
probably a a little bit like your mom, Hannah, so she would see,
41:35
but she also, she nurtured that in her kids.
41:38
And so they have a ton of experiences in that house, a ton.
41:43
So just want to preface that, when you don't make it taboo, I think it just gets stronger.
41:51
Yeah, I just think that. Yeah. I think that's definitely important, raising Chase or my son.
41:58
I've been very open-minded it with things and that's one thing I never wanted
42:02
to force anything on him and you know when he said that I the last thing I wanted
42:08
to do was discourage him in any way if he does truly have this gift,
42:13
to connect with people so it's the naysayers I just want to tell them to go
42:21
pound sand because yeah right people like that I'm just whatever you don't have
42:26
to believe what I'm telling you just.
42:29
Don't voice it exactly exactly i
42:33
i think too that's the other thing on the outside
42:36
of this the outside of our group or outside of the
42:38
metaphysical yet is a lot of witch hunting still going
42:41
on and it's yeah we need to
42:44
just start normalizing things that might not
42:47
seem normal to all of us uh the
42:50
welcoming of spirits and ghosts the good ones the
42:53
ones that we can connect to um it can
42:56
be a wonderful nurturing and learning experience
42:59
for all of us because we could find out a lot more about
43:02
ourselves we could find out a lot more about the past uh
43:05
we could connect dots on certain things and you know just find out the history
43:10
of other people and the way they had lived and i find that to be beautiful and
43:14
that's you know just me in my opinion but uh I think we've touched on what we
43:21
wanted to touch on on this.
43:23
So I really, if somebody has something else you'd get like Anna Brittany,
43:27
if you got something else you want to add to our little discussion here, please jump in now.
43:31
But Hannah, did you have anything?
43:34
I know you had just, you had mentioned like, it's, you know,
43:37
it's beautiful and it makes me think of, you know, that there are,
43:41
you know, Mexico, for example, you know, they have like the day of the dead.
43:46
And i like there's still cultures out there that
43:50
um you know are just
43:53
widely accepting of the this and i would
43:56
like you know i would love to just sit down with like someone who
43:59
does that and just see like what they've experienced because i just think it's
44:03
so beautiful and you know it's just something that you know like britney said
44:08
like to tell them to go like kick sand um like people who don't believe um because
44:13
like there are cultures out there that do this and it's the normal for them.
44:16
And I think we should normalize that. And, you know, maybe we would be more
44:20
at peace, you know, because I just find like, you know, especially like I've
44:23
had an experience where it's just like someone's gone and you don't know why and you're angry.
44:27
But I think if more people were open minded to.
44:31
Things like this, then maybe you would get like the answers that you would want.
44:35
And maybe it would help you with your grief if you were open to it.
44:38
Cause I know for sure, like from personal experience, it has helped,
44:41
you know, yes, I'm still angry, but I've had experiences that have gotten me by. So. Perfect.
44:49
I want to thank Anne Lund for joining us. Of course, always.
44:54
Always. Anne Lund is really the person to reach out to when it comes to hauntings and all.
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I, i admire the way you approach this
45:03
and we're still waiting on your book get busy
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in time i gotcha in time
45:10
absolutely but ann lund thank
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you so very much and listen to all of our audience i'm gonna have links down
45:18
in the synopsis of this show find ann lund on facebook follow her follow haunted
45:24
and waiting on facebook as well and she posts a lot of great Great stuff on
45:28
there. Absolutely, truly fantastic.
45:31
Whether they're personal experiences or you can even share your own stuff,
45:35
videos, EVPs, stories, whatever it is, you can share it on Haunted and Waiting.
45:41
So, Anne Lund, I want to thank you again so much for joining us.
45:45
Anytime. It's always a joy. You know, I love your content. So, thank you for having me.
45:50
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And Brittany, for you to jump on here again and,
45:55
you know, overcome your, you know, those, you know, those things you never thought
45:58
you'd do, you know, like podcast.
46:00
And now you're a semi host here on Eye Opener Society.
46:05
And now you're even speaking about ghosts and spirits with us.
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I want to thank you, too, for joining us on this episode.
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Thank you both. Yeah, thank you for having me.
46:15
Yes absolutely and uh we'll have you on again
46:18
like i said you're that backup host there that could join us
46:21
and lend a little bit of a different perspective every now and then so i want
46:26
to say good night to britney and ann and uh hannah and i we're going to start
46:31
getting some more episodes i got some more concepts for other episodes that
46:35
britney maybe even you could be a part of too but we got some big things coming
46:38
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46:46
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46:48
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And I thank you of course, for being my beautiful stepdaughter who always joins me here.
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Uh, so everybody, thank you again, and we will see you on the next episode.