Latest / Foul Territory / FT at Tigers camp: AJ Hinch, Kerry Carpenter
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Jackson Jobs had a really good camp, Casey Mises had
- 0:02Speaker 1: an incredible camp. Cantonmaida has been good. Cater Montero doesn't
- 0:06Speaker 1: get talked about a ton. We have those four guys
- 0:08Speaker 1: for two spots.
- 0:11Speaker 2: We've got Tigers skipper AJ Hinch with us AJ getting
- 0:15Speaker 2: close to opening day, I'm sure this time of year
- 0:18Speaker 2: is not ideal because you want real games to start
- 0:21Speaker 2: and you got to do what AJ calls some shoulder taps.
- 0:24Speaker 3: So has that gone lately?
- 0:26Speaker 4: Yeah?
- 0:27Speaker 1: So I'm the guy that delivers the news, but when
- 0:30Speaker 1: when like Chris Fetter or George Lombard come and tap
- 0:33Speaker 1: you on the shoulder, it's not a great morning.
- 0:37Speaker 4: But it's part of it, you know. I Mean, we
- 0:38Speaker 4: got to get to the.
- 0:39Speaker 1: To the twenty six and we will, but I but
- 0:43Speaker 1: I think it's a tough week, and mostly for the players.
- 0:45Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's hard delivering the news, but the
- 0:47Speaker 1: players are the ones that you know, that feel it.
- 0:53Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 0:54Speaker 2: So so let's go through what you're looking at here
- 0:57Speaker 2: for this coming season.
- 0:58Speaker 4: AJ.
- 0:59Speaker 2: Obviously we've talked to you in the off season about
- 1:02Speaker 2: how incredible the run was for your ball club.
- 1:06Speaker 3: First one is, how do you start hot? Right, How
- 1:08Speaker 3: do you not.
- 1:09Speaker 2: Put yourself in a position where you need things to
- 1:11Speaker 2: happen down the stage.
- 1:13Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, we play the Dodgers, We go out to Seattle.
- 1:17Speaker 1: We have a West Coast swing. It is important for
- 1:20Speaker 1: us to play well. It's important for us to to
- 1:24Speaker 1: get off on a good start. We are down a
- 1:26Speaker 1: couple of players, but we got a pitch well, and
- 1:28Speaker 1: we're going to I mean, we start the rotation with
- 1:30Speaker 1: Trek Scooble. We go to Jack Flaherty, which ironically will
- 1:33Speaker 1: be on ring Day in LA when they get their
- 1:35Speaker 1: rings from last year, and it's you know, we need
- 1:39Speaker 1: to get out of the gate hot against one.
- 1:40Speaker 4: Of the best teams in baseball.
- 1:42Speaker 1: So we've got to sort out like how we're going
- 1:44Speaker 1: to do it, how we're going to overcome Parker Meadows
- 1:47Speaker 1: and Matt Erling not being there. I'm going to sort
- 1:49Speaker 1: out the back end of the rotation. But you know,
- 1:53Speaker 1: at the end of the day, we need to go
- 1:54Speaker 1: play the games and get away from sort of that
- 1:57Speaker 1: feeling that last year was the you know, the peak
- 2:00Speaker 1: of the of the of the enjoyment for these guys.
- 2:03Speaker 4: You go play these one sixty two.
- 2:04Speaker 1: And we're gonna sort it out at the end of
- 2:06Speaker 1: the year and see if we can factor in again.
- 2:08Speaker 1: I know the guys love the taste that we got
- 2:09Speaker 1: into it, and and now it's using that experience to
- 2:14Speaker 1: to to to bring it forward.
- 2:17Speaker 5: What are you guys gonna do with Jack on ring day?
- 2:19Speaker 5: We asked him, I asked him about it. No, I know,
- 2:22Speaker 5: but you're gonna let him stop his warm ups and
- 2:24Speaker 5: walk out there and get a ring and a dog
- 2:26Speaker 5: pown form and they're just gonna rip it off.
- 2:27Speaker 4: And then no, I think he's uh. I don't know
- 2:31Speaker 4: what they're gonna do.
- 2:32Speaker 1: They may do the thing with you know where they
- 2:34Speaker 1: do it the next day and they bring him out
- 2:36Speaker 1: for you know, for their their ceremony or whatever and
- 2:40Speaker 1: do a single you know ring giveaway for him. So
- 2:43Speaker 1: now that walk out to the home plate to get
- 2:45Speaker 1: the ring from Dave Roberts will feel better if he
- 2:47Speaker 1: pitches well, and does you know what a time to
- 2:50Speaker 1: walk out to the to the plate. But I don't
- 2:53Speaker 1: know if they're gonna do a Game three. They're not
- 2:54Speaker 1: going to interrupt his his thing on on on game two,
- 2:57Speaker 1: and they certainly aren't going to do it game one
- 2:59Speaker 1: before the rest of their team gets the you know,
- 3:01Speaker 1: gets the rings. Their rings, so kind of funny. I
- 3:04Speaker 1: don't think I've ever been a part of that, you know.
- 3:07Speaker 1: I remember in eighteen whenever we were given out rings
- 3:11Speaker 1: to guys that weren't there, none of them were the
- 3:13Speaker 1: first series, so that's a little different.
- 3:16Speaker 6: Well, I want to go ahead, No, I want to
- 3:20Speaker 6: ask them why we have them here. So you know
- 3:23Speaker 6: I was a guy that you convinced you. You know,
- 3:25Speaker 6: anybody knows me know, I'm pretty stubborn, right, I'm hard
- 3:28Speaker 6: to convince.
- 3:29Speaker 7: AJ. Hey, I don't platell you.
- 3:31Speaker 6: You platon yourself right, be ready for that lefty righty matchup?
- 3:36Speaker 6: Do you know I'm setting you up for success? I've
- 3:39Speaker 6: told people all the time. One thing that you're really
- 3:40Speaker 6: great at is leading men. I think you're really good
- 3:43Speaker 6: at at, you know, setting guys up for success. How
- 3:47Speaker 6: do you get guys to buy into a role to
- 3:52Speaker 6: convince them to, hey, this is where we see you,
- 3:54Speaker 6: and this is what we're going to do because I
- 3:56Speaker 6: see you having success in this situation.
- 3:58Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know it's in communications important. You got
- 4:00Speaker 1: to tell guys like, hey, this is where I see you.
- 4:02Speaker 1: And I can be wrong, but this is how it is.
- 4:06Speaker 1: And then you've got to follow up with your word.
- 4:07Speaker 1: If you're going to tell somebody they're going to play
- 4:09Speaker 1: in a certain situation, play them. If you tell them
- 4:13Speaker 1: you know you kind of don't sneak attack them and
- 4:15Speaker 1: surprise them. I think guys can prepare for anything if
- 4:18Speaker 1: you're very transparent and open with them. Uh, it's the
- 4:21Speaker 1: misleading that gets guys super frustrated. So now we're all
- 4:26Speaker 1: here to win, and we've proven that we can bring
- 4:29Speaker 1: the most out of a team whenever we do it
- 4:32Speaker 1: the way we do it now. That's whether you're taking
- 4:34Speaker 1: a picture out and bringing in a reliever, if you're
- 4:36Speaker 1: running this pitching chaos that we did, if you're you know,
- 4:40Speaker 1: this guy's on the team to crush left handed pitch,
- 4:42Speaker 1: and then I need to get you in there, which
- 4:43Speaker 1: is why I got you in there. There's there's reasons
- 4:46Speaker 1: behind everything that we do. We owe it to the
- 4:48Speaker 1: players to tell them and that that resonates with players now,
- 4:52Speaker 1: whether they like it or not, whether they agree with
- 4:54Speaker 1: it or not, they will respond to it because they
- 4:58Speaker 1: trust you.
- 4:58Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll I want to stick stay there. You talk
- 5:01Speaker 6: about a couple of injuries, but you guys have a
- 5:03Speaker 6: couple good problems right now. We talk about Casey Mice healthy,
- 5:08Speaker 6: Casey Mice, Cantameida, how is the rotation shaping up?
- 5:13Speaker 7: But it's a good problem. You got guys who are
- 5:14Speaker 7: ready to go healthy. He looks the best that we've
- 5:17Speaker 7: seen him in years. Healthy.
- 5:18Speaker 4: You know where are we went to the rotation?
- 5:20Speaker 1: So we're gonna start with Scooball and Flaherty and ree
- 5:23Speaker 1: so Olsen. Those guys are locked in. Jackson Jobs had
- 5:27Speaker 1: a really good camp. Casey Mises had an incredible camp.
- 5:29Speaker 1: Cantoma Aida has been good.
- 5:31Speaker 7: Uh.
- 5:32Speaker 1: Cater Montero doesn't get talked about a ton. He started
- 5:34Speaker 1: a playoff game for us last year. So we have
- 5:37Speaker 1: those four guys for two spots, and two of them
- 5:40Speaker 1: are going to be disappointed. Everybody wants to be in
- 5:42Speaker 1: the rotation. Everybody wants to start games. So we have
- 5:46Speaker 1: until the end of camp to figure out how that works.
- 5:48Speaker 1: We're gonna need all of them. They don't want to
- 5:50Speaker 1: hear that right now. They want to hear like they
- 5:52Speaker 1: want to be on the line at Dodger Stadium, you know,
- 5:55Speaker 1: getting it out to being on the opening day rosters.
- 5:57Speaker 1: So we needed you know they got some important starts
- 5:59Speaker 1: come up. We're still evaluating kind of how we're going
- 6:02Speaker 1: to piece it together. We do plan on having five starters,
- 6:06Speaker 1: you know, which I get that question. A lodge is
- 6:08Speaker 1: based on how we did last year where we were
- 6:10Speaker 1: running a lot of bullpen games and things like that.
- 6:13Speaker 1: But we may run a bullpen game at some point
- 6:16Speaker 1: during the season if it's the best way to beat
- 6:17Speaker 1: that team. We have to win sort of these marginal,
- 6:21Speaker 1: small little victories that lead us to a win. And
- 6:25Speaker 1: you know, it's been fun to keep the other team guessing.
- 6:27Speaker 1: But I know these starters want to be locked in
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- 8:26Speaker 1: I think the I think the strategy part of it
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- 8:33Speaker 1: a way to confuse the competition a little bit and
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- 8:41Speaker 1: you know, I mean it if you need to win
- 8:43Speaker 1: one game, the hardest thing for the other team to
- 8:45Speaker 1: do is have to face elite pitching or the unknown,
- 8:50Speaker 1: like those two things are are are I'm good with either,
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- 9:03Speaker 1: or it's the only way that you can win, or
- 9:04Speaker 1: it's the you know, necessary, even the most popular way
- 9:07Speaker 1: to do it. But given what our guys did last
- 9:10Speaker 1: year and how successful it was, we'd be crazy not
- 9:13Speaker 1: to consider it at some point to reset the rotation
- 9:17Speaker 1: or to match up against a very difficult left right balance,
- 9:21Speaker 1: because we have a number of guys that can can
- 9:23Speaker 1: come fire and at you. So but no, I don't
- 9:25Speaker 1: you know, if the five starters want to roll out
- 9:29Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty plus innings a dominant performance, I
- 9:31Speaker 1: will stay out of the way and sit in my
- 9:33Speaker 1: seat and high five of them when they come off
- 9:35Speaker 1: the field.
- 9:36Speaker 3: Let's talk about your one Trek Scougle.
- 9:38Speaker 2: So, first off, he pitched against the Phillies the other
- 9:41Speaker 2: day on the road right, can you take us through
- 9:43Speaker 2: I guess the rarity of everything that he did, and
- 9:46Speaker 2: then his quotes afterward, I thought, really, we're kind of
- 9:49Speaker 2: a model example of if you want to be a
- 9:51Speaker 2: bulldog in rotation and just be at your best at
- 9:54Speaker 2: all times, you take spring training seriously as well.
- 9:57Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, so these guys only it, what is it,
- 10:01Speaker 1: five or six starts, but you know, during the during
- 10:04Speaker 1: the spring, and so those are the five or six
- 10:06Speaker 1: most important games of the of the spring for them.
- 10:09Speaker 1: And when when they go on the road, you get
- 10:12Speaker 1: sort of the a players often, especially a weekend game
- 10:16Speaker 1: mid March. We're at Clearwater and so he looked up
- 10:19Speaker 1: and if we just took Clearwater and then just moved
- 10:22Speaker 1: to Philly or Detroit, that would have been a very
- 10:24Speaker 1: easy lineup for him to see across the way. And
- 10:28Speaker 1: he loves that. He thrives on that stuff. So what
- 10:30Speaker 1: does he do. He goes out and pounds of strike zone.
- 10:31Speaker 1: He threw a incredible amount of strikes. He went right
- 10:34Speaker 1: at guys. He gave up a couple of runs, he
- 10:36Speaker 1: gave up a couple of soft contact hits, He had
- 10:39Speaker 1: a couple of battles with Bryce Harper. I mean that
- 10:41Speaker 1: that is really the most game like season, like you know,
- 10:44Speaker 1: environment that you can create for him. Now, he came
- 10:46Speaker 1: out of that and he was telling Chris Fetter and
- 10:48Speaker 1: me like, hey, I want to go on the road
- 10:50Speaker 1: every trip next year.
- 10:51Speaker 4: Now he may.
- 10:53Speaker 1: Disagree, he may not want to do that coming from
- 10:55Speaker 1: Lakeland and you're going around to four Myers and Jupiter
- 10:58Speaker 1: and Northport and we tryme so, but if we can
- 11:01Speaker 1: give him the mid to late camp boost of facing
- 11:05Speaker 1: recognizable guys and facing you know, kind of testing yourself
- 11:09Speaker 1: on where you are, because next started for him is
- 11:12Speaker 1: going to be against Baltimore on Friday on the road.
- 11:16Speaker 1: He'll probably face those same guys. Then the next start
- 11:19Speaker 1: after that is a Dodger Stadium, and we know how
- 11:21Speaker 1: good that lineup is. So it is important to get
- 11:23Speaker 1: some game like reps before you get to the to
- 11:26Speaker 1: the season.
- 11:27Speaker 4: No better way to do it than on the road
- 11:29Speaker 4: for a starting pitcher.
- 11:30Speaker 6: So okay, Riley Green Parking Meadows, you carry Carpenter. You've
- 11:36Speaker 6: got some young faces, uh, Max Clark, let's talk about
- 11:39Speaker 6: the youth movement right now.
- 11:41Speaker 7: There's an expectation around camp.
- 11:42Speaker 4: Right.
- 11:43Speaker 6: It used to be we hope we can be this,
- 11:45Speaker 6: but now after last year and I think what you
- 11:48Speaker 6: bring to the table, there's an expectation of winning and
- 11:51Speaker 6: you know, guys doing their part to help. What do
- 11:54Speaker 6: you see this youth movement, Matt, Guys like Max Clark,
- 11:57Speaker 6: big social.
- 11:57Speaker 7: Media movement a little bit of a arthma. How does
- 12:01Speaker 7: that help the team? Doesn't help the.
- 12:02Speaker 1: Team, What does it do for the well depends if
- 12:05Speaker 1: you help him by buying some batting gloves and a
- 12:07Speaker 1: headband and a.
- 12:07Speaker 4: Arm guard like he's got he's got products.
- 12:10Speaker 7: You know.
- 12:11Speaker 4: You know our our.
- 12:12Speaker 1: System which is drank really high. We're really proud of
- 12:15Speaker 1: what we're doing with our system and and the influx
- 12:18Speaker 1: of talent the last couple of years has been real.
- 12:20Speaker 1: We've had a couple of those kids come over and
- 12:22Speaker 1: what I hope they feel when they come over is
- 12:24Speaker 1: a part of something a little bit bigger.
- 12:26Speaker 4: Right.
- 12:26Speaker 1: You look at Riley, who's now an All Star. You
- 12:28Speaker 1: look at Terrorik who's now the front of the rotation
- 12:30Speaker 1: beast and an All Star. You look at you know,
- 12:33Speaker 1: Colt Keith, who's establishing himself as a big league. There's Hobby,
- 12:36Speaker 1: There's Glaber Torres who just was in that Parker is
- 12:39Speaker 1: the center fielder that you dream of. I mean it's
- 12:42Speaker 1: there's Carrie Carpenter obviously broke onto the scene last you know,
- 12:46Speaker 1: last year, but also like in October, those guys are
- 12:49Speaker 1: all watching how we do things and what the expectation
- 12:52Speaker 1: is here. They've shown incredibly well. Ryan Garko's our farm director.
- 12:55Speaker 1: He does like like he's he's real with these guys
- 12:58Speaker 1: on what they need to do to be better, to
- 13:00Speaker 1: be able to play for us. And when you can
- 13:02Speaker 1: combine that sort of youthful energy, youthful athleticism, the the
- 13:07Speaker 1: expectations on the major league side, you're starting to get
- 13:10Speaker 1: an organization that believes that we should factor in.
- 13:14Speaker 4: And then now you got to go play the games.
- 13:16Speaker 1: So some of these kids that are coming over and
- 13:18Speaker 1: doing well, Max Clark, Kevin McGonagall, Loronzo Brisanio came over.
- 13:24Speaker 1: It's it's important for them to get a taste and
- 13:26Speaker 1: then they got to go to erie in West Michigan
- 13:28Speaker 1: and and get their get their work done so that
- 13:30Speaker 1: they can be here someday.
- 13:33Speaker 5: Hitch, first of all, Shocking Garko is your farm director
- 13:37Speaker 5: Stanford another Stanford guy. I mean, come on, clean it
- 13:40Speaker 5: up over there in Lakeland. But I want to know
- 13:42Speaker 5: about Bregman. Just this is all I want to know.
- 13:45Speaker 5: Did you take Alex and Joey and make them fight
- 13:48Speaker 5: over who would sign Alex Fragman because that would be
- 13:51Speaker 5: a hell of a fight. Joey has been you know,
- 13:53Speaker 5: it's been known to maybe not on a lag or two.
- 13:55Speaker 5: And then you have Alex, who you know, went to Miami,
- 13:57Speaker 5: who knows what they're doing down there.
- 13:59Speaker 1: So that was the second shade at Stanford. That was unnecessary,
- 14:04Speaker 1: but I really noted. I get it if if you know,
- 14:10Speaker 1: we have the Corra Bowl coming up on Wednesday, We're
- 14:13Speaker 1: going down. We have an overnight and Fort Myers will
- 14:15Speaker 1: play the Twins one day, we play the Red Sox
- 14:18Speaker 1: the next day. I've already called it the Corra Bowl.
- 14:20Speaker 1: They will sort it out and and Bregman I may
- 14:23Speaker 1: or may not play there, but I you know, I
- 14:26Speaker 1: think I think I had those guys.
- 14:28Speaker 4: We were also joe factor in Joe spot It too.
- 14:30Speaker 4: We were all sort of.
- 14:31Speaker 1: In touch, trying to not say anything to anybody on
- 14:36Speaker 1: what was going on.
- 14:37Speaker 4: And and you know, I had two in that on
- 14:40Speaker 4: that in that interaction.
- 14:41Speaker 1: Because me and Joey we were obviously involved from our
- 14:44Speaker 1: from our side, but that was crazy at the end
- 14:47Speaker 1: of camp, even going into camp that someone was, you know,
- 14:51Speaker 1: in the middle of three camps and not in any
- 14:53Speaker 1: of them before he signed. The funny part about that
- 14:57Speaker 1: the following I think the day or two after he signed,
- 15:00Speaker 1: we had the Manager Media Day in Bradenton where all
- 15:05Speaker 1: the Florida based managers get together and the media can
- 15:08Speaker 1: talk to you, the national media or whatever. And who
- 15:11Speaker 1: do they put me right next to? But Alex Korra
- 15:13Speaker 1: right next to him, So I couldn't get away from
- 15:16Speaker 1: from the chorus whether it was a Bregman sweepstakes or
- 15:19Speaker 1: the you know or the manager availability day. But we'll
- 15:24Speaker 1: see enough of both of those guys, both Alex's, I think,
- 15:28Speaker 1: probably on Wednesday, and I'll let Joey go handle whatever
- 15:34Speaker 1: whatever he wants to on the on the aftermath of
- 15:37Speaker 1: the Bregnant sweepstakes.
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- 16:40Speaker 7: That's good stuff. Last thing, I want to ask the
- 16:42Speaker 7: tough question, and this is.
- 16:43Speaker 6: Why I love AJ. He's always really honest. One thing
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- 16:51Speaker 8: You have to call him hitch. You have to call
- 16:53Speaker 8: him hitch because we have.
- 16:54Speaker 7: A hitch hits. Yeah, it's called AJ, mister AJ Hinch.
- 16:59Speaker 7: So this is my thing.
- 17:00Speaker 6: Last year, you guys did more than what most people expected.
- 17:03Speaker 6: Right if Strong finished the series away from being where
- 17:06Speaker 6: everybody wants to be in a world series, who do
- 17:09Speaker 6: you see you know coming out of this camp, did
- 17:11Speaker 6: you want to see, like, who's the guy if this
- 17:14Speaker 6: guy takes the next level the Tigers go to the
- 17:17Speaker 6: next level.
- 17:18Speaker 7: Who's that guy that you really want not to put
- 17:20Speaker 7: a pressure?
- 17:20Speaker 4: So you want me to put pressure on one of guys?
- 17:22Speaker 7: Yeah, but like, who's the guy? Is a Parking Meadows?
- 17:24Speaker 7: Is it Torgelsen? Who's the guy that you say, if
- 17:27Speaker 7: this guy.
- 17:27Speaker 6: Can find some consistency, we are a better team and
- 17:31Speaker 6: we get even further than maybe we did last year.
- 17:33Speaker 1: I think it's Reese Oulsen in the rotation. I actually
- 17:35Speaker 1: wouldn't go the position player stuff. I think is going
- 17:37Speaker 1: to sort itself out and we're gonna have a lot
- 17:39Speaker 1: of combos and move guys around. What Resulsen can do
- 17:44Speaker 1: is is help lengthen a rotation that can be pretty
- 17:49Speaker 1: nasty really whatever combo we go with, and he was
- 17:52Speaker 1: trending in that direction last year. It gets hurt right
- 17:54Speaker 1: after the All Star break. We miss him for a
- 17:57Speaker 1: good bit. He comes back in the stretch down the
- 18:00Speaker 1: on the stretch and became like a bridge guy in
- 18:03Speaker 1: the playoffs and uh he he doesn't get enough love for,
- 18:08Speaker 1: you know, helping be a dominant starting pitcher when you
- 18:11Speaker 1: talk to other hitters in the league like they know
- 18:14Speaker 1: what he's about. You have four pitches. It's nasty swinging
- 18:16Speaker 1: his stuff. It's hard to center him up. The ball
- 18:18Speaker 1: moves all over the place. And so you start to
- 18:20Speaker 1: roll in and scooble Flairty and Polson and we can
- 18:24Speaker 1: do a lot of different things in the four and
- 18:26Speaker 1: five spot. I think Reese in the rotation with with
- 18:29Speaker 1: Terrek and Jack is not probably getting enough attention. And
- 18:33Speaker 1: that that's where you start rolling out a dude every
- 18:36Speaker 1: day and give your young players a chance to manufacture
- 18:39Speaker 1: some runs. You give the torkl Sens and the Keiths
- 18:42Speaker 1: and the and you know, get Hobby back in there,
- 18:44Speaker 1: get Trey Sweeney in there.
- 18:45Speaker 4: Like there's we can.
- 18:47Speaker 1: Be a kind of a you know, an offense that
- 18:50Speaker 1: that puts pressure on you, but we can be a
- 18:52Speaker 1: pitching staff that comes in and it's hard to score on.
- 18:55Speaker 1: And that that to me is a is is where
- 18:58Speaker 1: you're in every game. That is that you a guy
- 19:00Speaker 1: starting the game that you trust.
- 19:02Speaker 9: Hinch.
- 19:03Speaker 3: Great to see you, Thank you as always for the time.
- 19:05Speaker 2: We appreciate it, all of you, except exactly.
- 19:10Speaker 1: Double shaded Stanford is so uncessary. They're an unbelievable acc team.
- 19:14Speaker 4: Go check the record.
- 19:14Speaker 2: We've got Carrie Carpenter joining us right now. Carrie, good
- 19:17Speaker 2: to see you, and not only how is camp, but
- 19:20Speaker 2: also how was your off season? I'm sure it took
- 19:23Speaker 2: a little bit of time to process everything that went down,
- 19:26Speaker 2: including through October for your team.
- 19:28Speaker 9: It was awesome.
- 19:30Speaker 10: The off season was busy because I had a little
- 19:32Speaker 10: girl in November, so it was kind of getting ready
- 19:35Speaker 10: for that. But once I had time to really sit
- 19:39Speaker 10: back and think about twenty twenty four, it was pretty
- 19:42Speaker 10: special to think about where we were in the middle
- 19:44Speaker 10: of the season and then where we ended up. And
- 19:47Speaker 10: I mean we were seven or eight outs away I
- 19:49Speaker 10: think from going to the Alcs and we had a
- 19:53Speaker 10: lead in the seventh I think at home in Game
- 19:55Speaker 10: four and we were close. And so they're kind of
- 19:58Speaker 10: just like little fire in us. It's carrying over into
- 20:01Speaker 10: spring training already.
- 20:03Speaker 7: Let me go back to that now.
- 20:04Speaker 6: I'm having flashbacks you trying to do your best Gibbie
- 20:07Speaker 6: impersonation there in that playoff run, because I.
- 20:10Speaker 7: Mean, Washington, you've banged up. Find a way to come
- 20:13Speaker 7: up here for your team.
- 20:14Speaker 6: Can you talk about that experience and how motivated you
- 20:17Speaker 6: guys are going into this season after.
- 20:19Speaker 7: A little bit of taste of what you guys had
- 20:21Speaker 7: last year.
- 20:22Speaker 10: Yeah, that's a little high praise. I think to compare
- 20:25Speaker 10: myself to Givvy, But no, it's it really is motivating
- 20:30Speaker 10: to think about what we could, what we did with
- 20:32Speaker 10: that team we had, and we just added a bunch
- 20:33Speaker 10: of good guys in the off season, and all of
- 20:36Speaker 10: the guys that were here got better. Was AJ mentioned
- 20:39Speaker 10: it in spring training and like the first week of
- 20:41Speaker 10: spring training where it's like the room looks very similar
- 20:44Speaker 10: to what it looked like last year, and I hadn't
- 20:47Speaker 10: had that With the Tigers. It was a lot of
- 20:49Speaker 10: new faces because they were trying to figure out who
- 20:51Speaker 10: was going to stick with us, and we got a
- 20:53Speaker 10: bunch of guys that stuck, and we got a bunch
- 20:55Speaker 10: of guys that are a lot better from last year.
- 20:57Speaker 7: You talk about guys that stuck, here we are.
- 21:01Speaker 6: And we sat with AJ earlier and he AJ loves
- 21:03Speaker 6: to say because I used to give him a hard time,
- 21:06Speaker 6: Hey man, I can hear writings too. He always says,
- 21:08Speaker 6: I don't platinent, you platon yourself. We talked about a
- 21:11Speaker 6: sitting here. You talked about the amount of at bats
- 21:14Speaker 6: you've been getting against lefties. I've been a huge advocate
- 21:16Speaker 6: of letting my boy Carrie spin let me let him
- 21:19Speaker 6: get five or six hundred that bats.
- 21:21Speaker 7: I think you can do some special things.
- 21:23Speaker 6: Where are you as far as the role that you
- 21:25Speaker 6: are in right now or trying to show aj that, hey,
- 21:29Speaker 6: I can face these lefties and give you the same
- 21:31Speaker 6: production as I do when I'm facing writings.
- 21:34Speaker 9: That It's it's both.
- 21:36Speaker 10: It's I'm grateful for the opportunity I do get obviously
- 21:39Speaker 10: against every single writing, but I also I know I
- 21:43Speaker 10: can produce against lefties. I've done it in the minor
- 21:45Speaker 10: leagues when I was in the lineup every single day,
- 21:48Speaker 10: and it's a different animal up here.
- 21:50Speaker 9: But I've been getting a lot of.
- 21:51Speaker 10: Bass off for lefties at spring training, and I already
- 21:53Speaker 10: feel more comfortable where the angles are coming from, what
- 21:56Speaker 10: pitches are throwing. So I'm really confident that if I
- 22:00Speaker 10: get the opportunity, that I can seize it. And it's
- 22:02Speaker 10: just the that's kind of it's it's true that I
- 22:06Speaker 10: mean I can go and earn it if I go produce,
- 22:09Speaker 10: and so that's what my goal is.
- 22:12Speaker 5: Is that the key for you carry the angles because
- 22:14Speaker 5: I remember, you know, first come up, I was a
- 22:18Speaker 5: left hand hitter. I hit lefties in the minor leagues,
- 22:20Speaker 5: had no problem, and then all of a sudden the
- 22:21Speaker 5: big leagues and all right away they're like, oh, you
- 22:22Speaker 5: can't hit lefties.
- 22:23Speaker 8: Well, how do you know? You never let me, never
- 22:25Speaker 8: let me get a shot.
- 22:25Speaker 1: Ye.
- 22:26Speaker 5: I had a hitting coach to tell me one time,
- 22:28Speaker 5: you got to keep your angles because the first thing
- 22:30Speaker 5: that goes is your angles. With the lefties, there's a
- 22:32Speaker 5: right of your angles. Your your body is different, even
- 22:35Speaker 5: though you try to stay the same. And then one
- 22:37Speaker 5: of the biggest fights was I would just tell myself, like,
- 22:39Speaker 5: I'm diving right because not a lot of lefties throw
- 22:42Speaker 5: in on lefties. So like I was like, I'm just good.
- 22:44Speaker 5: Even though you weren't diving, it was just you became
- 22:46Speaker 5: your natural swing. So explain what keeping your angles means,
- 22:50Speaker 5: because that's what it meant for me.
- 22:52Speaker 10: That's a I think that's one of the biggest deals
- 22:54Speaker 10: for me hitting lefties is seeing it from the first
- 22:57Speaker 10: base side of the rubber, what a fastball like where
- 23:01Speaker 10: it needs to start. That's that's kind of a big
- 23:03Speaker 10: thing that I think about is my approach is dictated
- 23:07Speaker 10: by where I think I need the fastball to start.
- 23:10Speaker 10: So for a fastball to be a strike from a lefty,
- 23:15Speaker 10: it depends on if it's a sinker or a four scene.
- 23:17Speaker 10: But it's way different than when where a fastball needs
- 23:22Speaker 10: to start from variety. So seeing that seeing a ball
- 23:25Speaker 10: start behind me and end up being a strike, that's
- 23:28Speaker 10: definitely a big thing. So, like you said, the angles
- 23:31Speaker 10: are just something that I have to get comfortable with again.
- 23:34Speaker 10: And I have the spring training. I feel really good.
- 23:37Speaker 8: That's great.
- 23:38Speaker 5: But I mean, I thought your hitting coach guy told
- 23:40Speaker 5: you that all the swings are the same, right. I
- 23:42Speaker 5: thought it was an understand Wait it's different.
- 23:46Speaker 9: Wait wait see what so the touching is different?
- 23:50Speaker 5: Oh okay, God, I have to ask this question just
- 23:52Speaker 5: because I think it's funny as hell. How do you
- 23:54Speaker 5: stay out of the Twitter, the Twitter world with all
- 23:57Speaker 5: the stuff that goes around with you know, listen, the
- 24:00Speaker 5: guy works for you. I'm not going to mention his
- 24:02Speaker 5: name because he is taking shots of me, even though
- 24:04Speaker 5: I've never met the guy in my life and I
- 24:06Speaker 5: have nothing.
- 24:06Speaker 8: To get to look for him.
- 24:07Speaker 5: But how do you stay out of it because like
- 24:10Speaker 5: you're you're an example he uses all the time and.
- 24:12Speaker 7: You've done it.
- 24:13Speaker 8: So do you ever just want to call him and say, dude,
- 24:16Speaker 8: just like to let it go?
- 24:17Speaker 4: Bro?
- 24:18Speaker 9: I I don't.
- 24:20Speaker 10: I actually, yeah, I don't have Twitter, so I think
- 24:23Speaker 10: that helps.
- 24:24Speaker 7: I don't.
- 24:24Speaker 10: I literally never see it, so I don't have a
- 24:27Speaker 10: Twitter account, which helps. But I also just I he
- 24:32Speaker 10: changed my career. Honestly, I was not as good. I
- 24:35Speaker 10: wouldn't be here if if I didn't go and and
- 24:38Speaker 10: learn from him. And so that's the big thing is
- 24:42Speaker 10: like I kind of owe a lot of what is
- 24:45Speaker 10: going on right now to him, and so I'm just like,
- 24:47Speaker 10: used me as an example, please, And and I know
- 24:50Speaker 10: I'm getting a lot of heat from a bunch of players,
- 24:52Speaker 10: a bunch of ex players, but man, it's yeah, for me,
- 24:56Speaker 10: it's it's working, and I feel like I honestly owe
- 24:59Speaker 10: it to him.
- 25:00Speaker 5: Listen, it works for you, I agree, Like keep doing
- 25:03Speaker 5: what you're doing it just you know, listen, I don't
- 25:05Speaker 5: have Twitter when I played.
- 25:06Speaker 8: Now I have, and I just see things and I'm
- 25:07Speaker 8: just like, man, if these dudes nude like and it's
- 25:10Speaker 8: not a knock on you, I love it. I love
- 25:11Speaker 8: that it works, So God bless you.
- 25:13Speaker 5: Keep doing what you're doing and keep those angles and
- 25:16Speaker 5: get get banging on some lefties I'm trying.
- 25:20Speaker 7: I love that.
- 25:21Speaker 9: Mm hmmm.
- 25:22Speaker 7: So we want to talk about camp. Right here we
- 25:25Speaker 7: are in camp dog days of camp. This is when
- 25:26Speaker 7: it gets tough, right coming towards end.
- 25:29Speaker 6: What are you focused on, you know, going into this
- 25:31Speaker 6: year as an an individual?
- 25:33Speaker 7: Right, let's get a little selfish.
- 25:35Speaker 6: What does Kerry Carpenter want to do for himself to
- 25:38Speaker 6: help the team have success in the season, Like, what
- 25:40Speaker 6: what do you want to you know, continue to improve on.
- 25:44Speaker 10: Yeah, that's something I think about a lot, and this
- 25:47Speaker 10: is such a good time to work on in spring training.
- 25:49Speaker 10: And I think for me, being healthy is number one
- 25:54Speaker 10: because I'm confident and I've shown that if I'm on
- 25:58Speaker 10: the field, i can produce, and so I just need
- 26:00Speaker 10: to be on the field.
- 26:01Speaker 9: That's I know.
- 26:02Speaker 10: They you know, talk hit home with me about that
- 26:05Speaker 10: in the off season.
- 26:06Speaker 4: Two.
- 26:06Speaker 9: It's just like, let's do whatever we can to keep
- 26:08Speaker 9: you healthy.
- 26:09Speaker 10: And so that's a big thing for me and just
- 26:12Speaker 10: building on what I did at the plate last year.
- 26:15Speaker 10: Obviously getting more comfortable against lefties will help. But I'm
- 26:19Speaker 10: really comfortable against righties, and I'm really comfortable when I
- 26:22Speaker 10: get reps in the outfield, and so I feel like
- 26:25Speaker 10: that is something that is going to take another leap forward,
- 26:27Speaker 10: which it did last year. And so those things getting better,
- 26:31Speaker 10: doing the things on the base pass, like, all those
- 26:34Speaker 10: little things add up and they're all cliches, but they're
- 26:38Speaker 10: all things that really do matter for me at least.
- 26:42Speaker 3: Hey carry question for you.
- 26:44Speaker 2: I know, you know the news today in camp is
- 26:46Speaker 2: one of your teammates, Jace Young getting sent down. You
- 26:48Speaker 2: didn't have a perfect path to where you are right now,
- 26:52Speaker 2: went through adversity, you guys, most do, aside from maybe
- 26:54Speaker 2: I don't know Tani. So what would you say to
- 26:57Speaker 2: Jace Young, you know, to motivate him right and be like,
- 27:01Speaker 2: I've been there, and also what did you see from him?
- 27:04Speaker 3: You know, Aj mentioned how the timing was.
- 27:06Speaker 2: Off for him, and you know it can be difficult
- 27:08Speaker 2: obviously to figure that out when you've got now less.
- 27:11Speaker 3: Than two weeks to go until the season starts.
- 27:14Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, he's a ballplayer.
- 27:16Speaker 10: He's when he's right, he can absolutely be a stud
- 27:21Speaker 10: in the big leagues and he's shown that he's had
- 27:23Speaker 10: those flashes in the big leagues, and he's clearly had
- 27:27Speaker 10: the flashes.
- 27:27Speaker 9: In the minor league.
- 27:28Speaker 10: So it's that's what I think about all the time,
- 27:31Speaker 10: is these the best players in the league are the
- 27:33Speaker 10: guys that are just at their best way more like
- 27:35Speaker 10: way more than everybody else. And so that I think
- 27:40Speaker 10: that's like like you said, timing, he probably missed too
- 27:44Speaker 10: many fastballs in the zone, But that's to me, that's
- 27:47Speaker 10: that's fixable and he can go and work on that
- 27:49Speaker 10: right now. And I mean, if he goes out and
- 27:52Speaker 10: has a good first week, he could come back up.
- 27:53Speaker 9: So it's I know it's got to be.
- 27:55Speaker 10: I've never gotten option once I've been in the big leagues,
- 27:59Speaker 10: but I did have a little bit of a rough
- 28:01Speaker 10: path to the big leagues. But there's always hope. I mean,
- 28:04Speaker 10: I mean, people get hurt, people don't perform. He could
- 28:07Speaker 10: perform amazing and just play his way back into the
- 28:10Speaker 10: big leagues. It's so possible. I mean, it could happen
- 28:13Speaker 10: a weekend. It's there's no reason to lose hope. And
- 28:17Speaker 10: I know it's it's such a dagger, but everyone wants
- 28:20Speaker 10: to make the opening day roster. But he's a good
- 28:25Speaker 10: He should never lose confidence because he has it.
- 28:27Speaker 9: He's a stud.
- 28:29Speaker 8: Gary.
- 28:30Speaker 5: You mentioned something there that I found very interesting. You
- 28:32Speaker 5: were talking about, you know, you want to play the
- 28:34Speaker 5: outfield more. You saw what happened with Raffie Devers. I'm
- 28:36Speaker 5: sure in Boston where he said I'm a third basement.
- 28:38Speaker 5: Now they're kind of making him the DH. Do you
- 28:40Speaker 5: think you hit better as a DH or as an outfielder.
- 28:44Speaker 10: I don't know the numbers, but I like being out
- 28:47Speaker 10: in the outfield. I like being in the rhythm of
- 28:49Speaker 10: the game. I like the run out and back. I
- 28:52Speaker 10: think it keeps my legs loose and healthy. I prefer
- 28:56Speaker 10: to be in the outfield. I think I am healthier
- 28:59Speaker 10: that way, and I think it helps me hit. But
- 29:03Speaker 10: I do remember AJ said last year that I played
- 29:07Speaker 10: well as a DH and not a lot of guys
- 29:09Speaker 10: I maybe can do that, and I know that they
- 29:13Speaker 10: they valued that out of me, and so they kept
- 29:15Speaker 10: me out there I think probably or kept me in there,
- 29:19Speaker 10: probably because my back to at that point. But yeah,
- 29:22Speaker 10: I prefer to be in the outfield. But if I'm
- 29:24Speaker 10: in the lineup, I'm happy.
- 29:26Speaker 7: Okay, So I want to talk about that you've been
- 29:28Speaker 7: in the line up. That's important. And AJ has been
- 29:30Speaker 7: through what I've been through.
- 29:31Speaker 6: It always trying to find out ways to keep ourselves
- 29:34Speaker 6: on the field. What has changed in your regiment or
- 29:38Speaker 6: your routine to hopefully, you know, have you out there
- 29:41Speaker 6: more often?
- 29:42Speaker 4: Yeah, I think.
- 29:43Speaker 10: I mean, so last year I had a stress fracture
- 29:45Speaker 10: my back and and I can't prove it, but I
- 29:47Speaker 10: think it's from some of the lifting that I was doing,
- 29:50Speaker 10: and so we just kind of did a different version
- 29:53Speaker 10: of what I was doing with less you know, pressure
- 29:56Speaker 10: on my back. And so I think that's a big
- 29:59Speaker 10: deal that that was needed to be addressed. And so
- 30:05Speaker 10: I feel really good with what we're doing now in
- 30:08Speaker 10: the weight room, training room, just going and being having
- 30:11Speaker 10: a routine with that and even if I feel good,
- 30:14Speaker 10: go and get treatment anyways and go kind of get
- 30:17Speaker 10: work done anyways.
- 30:18Speaker 9: And so that's something that I'm still learning and learning.
- 30:21Speaker 4: How to do.
- 30:22Speaker 9: But I think that's that's going to be a good
- 30:24Speaker 9: thing that happens for me this year.
- 30:26Speaker 6: I like that so and also too, Now you've been
- 30:28Speaker 6: a guy in the past couple of years of impressed people,
- 30:31Speaker 6: surprise people. I got to ask you being a guy
- 30:35Speaker 6: who I want to say, you're a veteran, but you
- 30:36Speaker 6: know you've been here, You've been a part of this
- 30:37Speaker 6: thing for a few years now. Who's the younger guy
- 30:40Speaker 6: that you've noticed and you watching, you go, damn, this
- 30:42Speaker 6: guy is good. He's going to be good because it's
- 30:44Speaker 6: always some guy that sticks out you. I didn't know
- 30:46Speaker 6: he was.
- 30:47Speaker 7: He was liked it. Who have you singing it?
- 30:50Speaker 6: And you go, damn, this dude is really going to
- 30:53Speaker 6: be a hell of a ball player.
- 30:54Speaker 10: Yeah. Man, there's a couple of guys that come to mind.
- 30:57Speaker 10: I think Trey Sweeney is going to be a baller.
- 31:00Speaker 10: I think justin Henry mlloy is going to be a
- 31:01Speaker 10: r He has just that that hit factor at the plate.
- 31:04Speaker 10: He rakes the thing that you just can't teach it. Yeah,
- 31:08Speaker 10: and he did so well in the playoffs. He kind
- 31:10Speaker 10: of had a coming out party in the playoffs, which
- 31:12Speaker 10: was awesome to see. And a guy that's in the
- 31:14Speaker 10: minor league's Andrew Navigado Unlike, he has it too. He
- 31:20Speaker 10: just like doesn't matter who he's facing, Like, I mean
- 31:23Speaker 10: that guy that rakes, yeah, exactly. So those are three
- 31:26Speaker 10: guys that like immediately came to mind. So, yeah, those
- 31:29Speaker 10: guys are gonna be awesome. They're ballers, they have that
- 31:31Speaker 10: H factor future, Yeah, I think so.
- 31:34Speaker 7: Yeah, Kerry.
- 31:36Speaker 5: By the way, we found it, it was one fips
- 31:38Speaker 5: plus as a d H and ops plus is a
- 31:43Speaker 5: left right flip.
- 31:43Speaker 8: So maybe I say, maybe there's something behind it.
- 31:46Speaker 7: I don't know.
- 31:48Speaker 10: I gotta I gotta up the outfield there.
- 31:52Speaker 5: No kidding, no kidding, all right. We had Riley Green
- 31:55Speaker 5: on your your counterpart here, your your fellow Orlando, and
- 31:59Speaker 5: I asked him why you guys can't come over to
- 32:01Speaker 5: the house. I mean, I'm in Orlando, Scotts in Orlando.
- 32:04Speaker 5: You know it's not hard. It's not a long way to.
- 32:07Speaker 7: First off, we heard you. First off, we heard you.
- 32:10Speaker 7: Right when we get the MIC's picked and Carrie has
- 32:13Speaker 7: something to say to you, go ahead, let him know.
- 32:15Speaker 8: I want to hear that.
- 32:16Speaker 10: I'm a proud, useless boy. I don't claim Orlando. I
- 32:20Speaker 10: don't want to hit out Orlando crap. All right, A
- 32:22Speaker 10: J I know you live.
- 32:23Speaker 9: I'm from the country.
- 32:24Speaker 10: I'm out in small town of Lake County. You know
- 32:28Speaker 10: it's a little different than doctor Phillips. It's not right
- 32:30Speaker 10: downtown Orlando.
- 32:32Speaker 8: Yeah, Phillips.
- 32:33Speaker 10: I will say it's probably a little nicer, but uh man,
- 32:35Speaker 10: we we I love it out there. And well, the
- 32:37Speaker 10: reason I don't go to Orlando is because it should
- 32:40Speaker 10: take forty five minutes to get there, and it usually
- 32:42Speaker 10: takes two and a half hours.
- 32:43Speaker 5: So that's uh, you got on your truck. Yeah, you
- 32:48Speaker 5: got tires on your truck. You know you can't get
- 32:50Speaker 5: staying one union close. That's right up and useless. We
- 32:54Speaker 5: used to call it useless Florida.
- 32:56Speaker 9: I think people still call it that unfortunately.
- 32:59Speaker 5: All right, by the way, happy give a shout out
- 33:00Speaker 5: to Bourbon and Baseball. She's the one who found the
- 33:03Speaker 5: stats for you on.
- 33:04Speaker 4: The shout out.
- 33:07Speaker 5: Thank you. But carry know you're awesome. You're welcome anytime,
- 33:10Speaker 5: you know what, you and Riley could come down together.
- 33:12Speaker 5: I'll take y'all skiing. Actually, I'll take y'all surfing in
- 33:14Speaker 5: the boat. You know, I don't know if you guys
- 33:16Speaker 5: know how to do that or not, but you know,
- 33:18Speaker 5: I don't know.
- 33:18Speaker 9: I need to learn.
- 33:19Speaker 8: Take my son's John, but you and Riley can go
- 33:21Speaker 8: out fishing his little Jambo.
- 33:23Speaker 10: No, that'd be awesome. I appreciate you guys. Have me
- 33:25Speaker 10: on I was telling him, I'm a fan. I tune
- 33:27Speaker 10: in all the time. So you guys are awesome, all right, Yes.
- 33:32Speaker 6: The only guy I know what a better John line
- 33:33Speaker 6: to you, buddy, Oh John out of a superhero.
- 33:38Speaker 7: Look at that.
- 33:40Speaker 3: That's nice.
- 33:40Speaker 9: That's nice about that bad that's good competition.
- 33:44Speaker 2: We need to get a beard then, and then we
- 33:45Speaker 2: can shape it, and then we really got it.
- 33:47Speaker 10: We really got That's something that you'll always have over me.
- 33:51Speaker 9: I'm not I can't.
- 33:51Speaker 3: Grow a beard, can't do the beard. Damn okay, won't
- 33:56Speaker 3: that takes.
- 33:56Speaker 8: You running for the Yankees.
- 33:58Speaker 3: That's right, right, the new bearded Yanks.
- 34:01Speaker 2: All right, So Carrie, we'll send a we'll send a
- 34:03Speaker 2: helicopter for you next off season on AJ We'll bring
- 34:08Speaker 2: it to the big, big city of Orlando.
- 34:11Speaker 9: But yeah, I appreciate you guys. Appreciate you guys.
- 34:16Speaker 3: Good to see you, man. We'll talk to you during
- 34:17Speaker 3: the season.
- 34:19Speaker 9: Sounds great. All are awesome.