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The Late Debate | 3 September · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Late to Base.
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  Speaker 2: Good Eving and welcome to the program.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Caleb Bond with freyer Leitch and filling in for
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  Speaker 3: James McPherson James Willis. Yes, we have so many people
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  Speaker 3: called James at this network that we can swap them
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  Speaker 3: out for each other.
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  Speaker 2: Here's what's coming up tonight. Now, imagine you're an employer
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  Speaker 2: and you.
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  Speaker 3: Have to go and get a bunch of staff let
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  Speaker 3: him go. So you're trying to do the right thing
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  Speaker 3: by drawing up a plan and explaining it to people,
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  Speaker 3: but then the state government steps in and says you
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  Speaker 3: have to stop because it's bad for their mental health.
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  Speaker 2: It actually happened.
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  Speaker 3: More on that soon in the papers, the school going
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  Speaker 3: for a permanent four day week.
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  Speaker 2: Kids everywhere are cheering, but I wonder what parents make
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  Speaker 2: of it.
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  Speaker 3: And later, I'm not sure if you want life advice
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  Speaker 3: from someone up on drug charges, but a bunch of
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  Speaker 3: school kids went to court and that's exactly what they got.
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  Speaker 3: We'll share with you exactly what her advice was a
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  Speaker 3: little bit later. But first we are now eight days
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  Speaker 3: into the man hunt for Desi Freeman, of course, the
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  Speaker 3: accused cop killer on the loose in the high country
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  Speaker 3: in Victoria. Now he calls himself Desi Freeman. His original name,
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  Speaker 3: his first name before he changed his surname to Freeman
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  Speaker 3: is Desmond Philby, So Desi, we get where that comes from.
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  Speaker 3: But he changed his surname to Freeman because it's literally
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  Speaker 3: meant to mean free man, because he is a sovereign citizen. Now,
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure in the last few days, if you've not
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  Speaker 3: heard what a sovereign citizen is before, you're probably across
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  Speaker 3: it now. But it's someone who believes that countries don't
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  Speaker 3: really exist, the government doesn't exist. They don't have to
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  Speaker 3: abide by any laws. They are a sovereign person and
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  Speaker 3: they are not subject to the rest of society like
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  Speaker 3: the rest of us are. Except in the case of
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  Speaker 3: mister Freeman, it would turn out that he doesn't mind
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  Speaker 3: the government when it benefits him, because according to the
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  Speaker 3: Herald's son, who's spoken to one of his neighbors, he's
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  Speaker 3: been claiming the disability support pension from center for at
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  Speaker 3: least twenty years. Yes, one of his neighbors said to
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  Speaker 3: the Herald son, he never worked, never had any money.
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  Speaker 2: That's what used to shit me.
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  Speaker 3: Because he was so against the government, but then got
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  Speaker 3: his Center Link check every week, and one of his
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  Speaker 3: relatives has confirmed this to The Herald Sun as well
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  Speaker 3: said yes, he's been doing this for at least twenty years.
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  Speaker 3: He's referred to himself previously in communications as a disability pensioner,
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  Speaker 3: which raises the question, if you're a sovereign citizen and
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  Speaker 3: you don't believe the government has any right to exist,
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  Speaker 3: why are you taking taxpayer dollars?
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  Speaker 4: Now?
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  Speaker 3: The disability support pension at its maximum is one hundred
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  Speaker 3: and forty nine bucks a fortnite or twenty nine eight
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  Speaker 3: hundred and seventy four dollars a year, which is a
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  Speaker 3: lot of money to take from a government that you
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  Speaker 3: don't believe has the right to exist. Now, I know
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  Speaker 3: I'm making fun of it. We can't get away from
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  Speaker 3: the fact, of course, that this man is on the run,
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  Speaker 3: as I said, for eight days so far now, and
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  Speaker 3: he's accused of killing two cops who come with a
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  Speaker 3: warrant to serve on him at his property. But it
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  Speaker 3: does make a mockery of the fact that he calls
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  Speaker 3: himself a sovereign citizen.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 3: The coppers they're not real the government. It's not real,
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  Speaker 3: but I'll take the money when I love it.
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  Speaker 5: It's the height of hypocrisy.
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  Speaker 6: I hate the government exactly, but when I can get
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  Speaker 6: something from them, then all of a sudden, I love
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  Speaker 6: the government. But I mean, you also know that the
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  Speaker 6: welfare system is so broken and so has been so
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  Speaker 6: corrupted when accused murderers are on the welfare system and
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  Speaker 6: milking it for all its worth. And I do also
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  Speaker 6: wonder is he still collecting welfare payments even now while
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  Speaker 6: he's on the run.
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  Speaker 5: Because someone should really look into that.
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  Speaker 6: But overall, I mean, this just does paint the picture
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  Speaker 6: of what's going on in Australia's welfare system. So many
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  Speaker 6: people raughting it, especially in the disability sector.
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  Speaker 5: Next thing is kids will be on ndis. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: who knows right well?
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  Speaker 7: And this is the biggest problem with our welfare system,
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  Speaker 7: and you're spot on there. We've got seven hundred and
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  Speaker 7: fifty thousand people on the DSP. There's another one million
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  Speaker 7: people on either Job seeker or Youth Allowance and that
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  Speaker 7: number has not budged in this term of labor government.
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  Speaker 1: Now we keep hearing about this.
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  Speaker 7: Need to import workers and migrants and I realize this
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  Speaker 7: gets into a long bow when you're talking about a
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  Speaker 7: crazed lunatic.
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  Speaker 1: And I agree with you.
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  Speaker 7: I think if he hasn't been cut off, he should
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  Speaker 7: be cut off by now. But you hear all these
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  Speaker 7: horror stories about people that can't get welfare in their
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  Speaker 7: hour of need. And I heard one recently about someone
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  Speaker 7: battling cancer that because they had more than five thousand
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  Speaker 7: dollars in savings, were not eligible for unemployment benefits. Now
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  Speaker 7: that person misses out, and we just allow these people
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  Speaker 7: to suck on the tee hundreds of thousands of dollars
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  Speaker 7: this bloke would have taken in over the last twenty years.
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  Speaker 7: And if that's not a metaphor for what's wrong with
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  Speaker 7: our welfare system, I don't know what it is.
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  Speaker 3: And Adaman, the thing that really annoys me about it,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he is accused of killing two coppers.
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  Speaker 2: That is awful.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you can't think of anything that makes you
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  Speaker 3: more annoy We'd more angry, you know, to be accused
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  Speaker 3: of such a thing, to potentially do such a thing
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  Speaker 3: is just beyond belief. But if you want to walk
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  Speaker 3: the walk and say that you believe that the government
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  Speaker 3: has no right to exist, and you're not actually a
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  Speaker 3: member of society, you're not subject to laws.
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  Speaker 2: You have to go along with it. You talk the talk,
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  Speaker 2: you've got to walk the walk.
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  Speaker 3: It's the same as people who say, you know, we
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  Speaker 3: live on stolen land and Australia is not a sovereign nation.
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  Speaker 2: Sovereignty never seed it. All this sort of business.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I don't see them handing their homes over to
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  Speaker 3: Aboriginal people and saying, look, I'm very sorry I stole
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  Speaker 3: your land. You can come and take it back if
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  Speaker 3: you want. If you want to get on board with
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  Speaker 3: these kooky ideas, you've actually got to follow through with it.
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  Speaker 3: And they never follow through because they do realize and
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  Speaker 3: this is I don't know whether it's cognitive dissonance or
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  Speaker 3: how they deal with it, but they obviously realize at
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  Speaker 3: the end of the day that there is a net
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  Speaker 3: benefit in anticipating in an organized society because they're willing
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  Speaker 3: to take the money. But there's another part of their
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  Speaker 3: brain that's telling them more, no, no, that that's not
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  Speaker 3: actually real.
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  Speaker 2: You can't have it both ways.
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  Speaker 5: You actually can't.
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  Speaker 6: And the other people that are sucking off the teet
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  Speaker 6: of the taxpayers are the thousands of people that are
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  Speaker 6: employed in our universities. Now, I'm not just talking about academics.
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  Speaker 6: A lot of them do good work, but it's particularly
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  Speaker 6: the case in the administrative side of our unis where
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  Speaker 6: we have just seen.
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  Speaker 5: Bureaucracies blow out like crazy.
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  Speaker 6: Well Uts has had five years of losses and in
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  Speaker 6: an effort to stem their losses and keep the university open,
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  Speaker 6: they have a plan to lay off around four hundred staff.
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  Speaker 5: Now.
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  Speaker 6: On Tuesday they sent an email to eight hundred stuff
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  Speaker 6: saying their jobs would be impacted by this restructuring to
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  Speaker 6: save one hundred million dollars worth of costs. Well Safe
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  Speaker 6: Work New South Wales has told them they can't actually
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  Speaker 6: proceed with giving any more details about the plan or
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  Speaker 6: having meetings with those affected because of psychosocial hazards. Yes,
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  Speaker 6: Safe Work has said actually making these people redundant will
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  Speaker 6: affect their mental health. I mean, firstly, no kidding, it'll
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  Speaker 6: affect your mental health. Losing your job would affect anyone's
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  Speaker 6: mental health, but that's just life. And the second question
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  Speaker 6: is if businesses can no longer lay off staff and
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  Speaker 6: make them redundant because of the worker's mental health, how
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  Speaker 6: is any business in New South Wales supposed to operate.
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  Speaker 6: This is mind boggling stuff.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, and this is the challenge that employers in twenty
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  Speaker 7: twenty five face on a daily basis when it used
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  Speaker 7: to just being sure. Look, no one likes losing their job,
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  Speaker 7: but you know, this is a gold medal example of
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  Speaker 7: how we've just allowed society to be wrapped in this
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  Speaker 7: really tight cotton wool where.
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  Speaker 1: You know, stuff like this is and.
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  Speaker 7: That quote, the quote that Safe Work gave serious and
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  Speaker 7: imminent risk of psychological harm from the impact of a
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  Speaker 7: five year plan that is needed to save the university
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  Speaker 7: and keep it running. Now we've got I don't have
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  Speaker 7: much sympathy for universities. I think the way they've been run,
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  Speaker 7: with the reliance on foreign students and a lot of
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  Speaker 7: the work policies and going too far with their education
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  Speaker 7: messages has just gone too far. But this is a
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  Speaker 7: really sensible way of trying to get back on track.
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  Speaker 7: And instead Safe Work has stepped in and said you've got.
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  Speaker 1: To go in another way.
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  Speaker 7: It's crazy, it should not be allowed to happen. But
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  Speaker 7: employers everywhere are saying this is now the reality that
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  Speaker 7: they're facing every day. They are dealing with ir in
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  Speaker 7: ways they never expected before.
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  Speaker 3: Well Safe Work has told the UNI to not proceed
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  Speaker 3: with the aforementioned activities, that is, talking to the staff
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  Speaker 3: about these potential layoffs until an inspector is satisfied that
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  Speaker 3: the matters that give rise.
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  Speaker 2: To the risk have been remedied. How do you remedy
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  Speaker 2: that situation?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, as far as I can tell, if you
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  Speaker 3: have a plan to lay staff, to retrench staff, and
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  Speaker 3: you've been open and honest with them about the fact
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  Speaker 3: that that is coming, and you're offering to give them
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  Speaker 3: a comprehensive briefing about what this means and who could
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  Speaker 3: be included and the steps forward, you're going out of
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  Speaker 3: your way to do everything possible to make this as
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  Speaker 3: easy as possible, or as easy as sacking someone can be.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, sacking someone or telling someone they have to
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  Speaker 3: lose their job is not a fun job unless you're
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  Speaker 3: a psychopath.
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  Speaker 2: It's not something you want to do.
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  Speaker 3: But sometimes it's something that you have to do, and
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  Speaker 3: nor is it easy for someone who's about to be
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  Speaker 3: retrenched to go through that process. But if you've been
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  Speaker 3: given some notice it's going to happen, and an explanation
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  Speaker 3: I mean, surely that's better than just being told, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you rock up to the work one day, there's a
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  Speaker 3: zori you can't come in tomorrow.
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  Speaker 1: Johnny, Well you're inevitable as well.
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  Speaker 7: It's going to happen. This will happen, miles save a
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  Speaker 7: few jobs.
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  Speaker 6: But they cuts Well, what I don't understand about this
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  Speaker 6: as well is the staff already emailed on Tuesday. The
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  Speaker 6: meetings were supposed to take place Wednesday. Thursday, Safe Work
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  Speaker 6: came in and said, no, you can't do it. So
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  Speaker 6: you have eight hundred staff who've already been told they're
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  Speaker 6: potentially being made redundant or at the very least their
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  Speaker 6: role is being changed in some way.
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  Speaker 5: But we're not actually.
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  Speaker 6: Now able to tell you how you've been affected because
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  Speaker 6: we have an injunction against us by Safe Work. Isn't
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  Speaker 6: that worse for the psychosocial health of these workers to
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  Speaker 6: be in this limbo of knowing that they're being impacted,
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  Speaker 6: but not knowing how and just indefinitely sitting there while
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  Speaker 6: the university deals with bureaucracy.
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  Speaker 3: We just need to harden up as a title, as
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  Speaker 3: a society, we need to harden up.
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  Speaker 7: And there's lessons in losing your job, and you know
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  Speaker 7: these we've lost all of that in the modern work
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  Speaker 7: and mean just like normal life experience.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, and we now pathologize everything. You know, you lose
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  Speaker 3: your job, it's not fun, of course, it's not fun.
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  Speaker 2: You might go through a.
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  Speaker 3: Fair bit of mental distress because you've got to work
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  Speaker 3: out what comes next and how you support your family,
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  Speaker 3: et cetera.
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  Speaker 2: But these millions of people going through it every day.
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  Speaker 2: We go on no, no, now.
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  Speaker 3: It's a mental health issue and so we can't have
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  Speaker 3: you sacked like it's just life.
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  Speaker 1: Get on with it now.
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  Speaker 7: In Canberra, there's been some talk in the last twenty
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  Speaker 7: four hours about the idea of extending the term for
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  Speaker 7: federal MPs from three years to four That would require
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  Speaker 7: a referendum, and also there's been some talk about possibly
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  Speaker 7: more seats in the Federal Parliament. The Prime Minister was
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  Speaker 7: us about this today and seem to hit the idea
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  Speaker 7: on the head, stating that in this second term he
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  Speaker 7: has no interest of doing a referendum all over again.
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  Speaker 5: I have no intention of.
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  Speaker 2: Any referendums this term.
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  Speaker 7: We know the last one didn't go all that well
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  Speaker 7: for labor at all, and it also really distracted from
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  Speaker 7: some of the critical issues we have for probably twelve months,
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  Speaker 7: if not more.
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  Speaker 1: With the voice.
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  Speaker 7: I do kind of agree with it, though I feel
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  Speaker 7: like three years from the moment you do your maiden speech,
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  Speaker 7: you put your feet under the table, all of a
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  Speaker 7: sudden you're having a campaign, and again I wonder if
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  Speaker 7: a four year term would be better.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't disagree with you. The only thing that
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  Speaker 3: worries me. And this is a point when this was
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  Speaker 3: being discussed about a year ago, I think Tony Abbott
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  Speaker 3: raised and I thought was also a really good point,
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  Speaker 3: is that in the current system, where you don't have
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  Speaker 3: fixed terms and it's sort of around about three years,
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  Speaker 3: if you've got a bad government, it's easier to get
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  Speaker 3: rid of them quicker than if you have fixed four
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  Speaker 3: year terms. Having said that, we've had fixed four year
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  Speaker 3: terms on a state level for a long time, right,
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  Speaker 3: and it seems to work well.
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  Speaker 5: Has it worked well?
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  Speaker 2: Well? Well, I mean, what's what's the metric? What's the matrix?
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  Speaker 5: That's true?
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  Speaker 6: I mean, but if you look at a lot of
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  Speaker 6: our state governments, I don't know if you could say
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  Speaker 6: it works well. My problem is, and I totally agree
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  Speaker 6: with Tony Abbott on this one. If you're a bad government,
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  Speaker 6: the election can't come soon enough. If you're a good government,
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  Speaker 6: you've got nothing to worry about. So if you have
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  Speaker 6: been in government for three years and you're stressing that
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  Speaker 6: you're going to an election and you can't fulfill your agenda,
• 12:54
  Speaker 6: well that just means you haven't sold your agenda well
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  Speaker 6: enough to the Australian public, or you've wasted your life
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  Speaker 6: three years. I think we have a lot of issues
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  Speaker 6: in Australian politics, but the primary one is competence, and
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  Speaker 6: I don't think adding another year to the term of
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  Speaker 6: government is going to fix that. You've got bad ministers
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  Speaker 6: and a bad government. It's going to be a bad
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  Speaker 6: government and I would rather get them out quicker and
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  Speaker 6: sooner rather than later.
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  Speaker 7: I think that the other thing is, I mean, firstly,
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  Speaker 7: elections are terribly expensive. Let's not overlook that point. I
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  Speaker 7: mean we don't just go to them for fun. They
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  Speaker 7: cost hundreds of millions of dollars. But you sort of
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  Speaker 7: spend your first year in government fixing the mess of
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  Speaker 7: the previous government.
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  Speaker 1: You announce royal commissions, you.
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  Speaker 7: Scrap projects, you decide which bureaucrats stay. Then you get
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  Speaker 7: on with your vision and then before you know, there's
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  Speaker 7: an election all of a sudden.
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  Speaker 2: I just think that extra.
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  Speaker 7: Year gives a bit of a buffer to allow you
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  Speaker 7: to sort of sell and move a few things more out.
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  Speaker 7: I'm pretty in favor of it, and I think the election,
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  Speaker 7: you know, let's avoid having the elections every couple of
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  Speaker 7: years for fun.
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  Speaker 3: I agree with you that there's a big problem in
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  Speaker 3: politics now, which is a total lack of long term thinking.
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  Speaker 3: I think they're just locked into that three years ahead.
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  Speaker 3: What can I get done in three years as opposed
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  Speaker 3: to what's a real legacy I can leave for the country.
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  Speaker 3: Last time they tried this on it was Bob Hawk
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  Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty eight.
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  Speaker 2: It did go to a referendum and it was defeated.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, only thirty three percent of people voted for
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  Speaker 3: the idea of fixed four year terms. But the other
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  Speaker 3: thing that is potentially being looked at in all of this,
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  Speaker 3: and this goes off to the Joint Standing Committee on
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  Speaker 3: Electoral Matters, is the possibility of having more MPs. And
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  Speaker 3: the last time that we had more MPs added though
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  Speaker 3: that's actually I was going to say it was back
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  Speaker 3: when Hawk was PM, which is not entirely true, because
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  Speaker 3: it went to one hundred and forty eight when he
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: was PM. We then added two more on through the
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  Speaker 3: Electoral Commission, and then we added another one made it
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  Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty one, and took one hundred and
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  Speaker 3: fifty first back at the last election.
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  Speaker 2: But that's another matter. But the last time we had.
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  Speaker 3: A massive increase in MPs was under Bob Hawk in
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  Speaker 3: that period of time, but for about one hundred and
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  Speaker 3: twenty four to one hundred and forty eight. So if
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  Speaker 3: they add more MPs, of course that means more salaries
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  Speaker 3: to pay, and it means more electorates, and it also
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  Speaker 3: does potentially mean smaller electorates because you're go to carve
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  Speaker 3: these extra electorates out of the ones that already exist,
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  Speaker 3: which means there's the possibility, like we talk about areas
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  Speaker 3: in Western Sydney where we had Muslim candidates running under
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  Speaker 3: a Muslim banner for instance at the last federal election,
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  Speaker 3: if you have smaller electorates that have over populations of
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  Speaker 3: certain sections of the community, you could see more of
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  Speaker 3: these special interest candidates get up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I.
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  Speaker 6: Mean, look, the reality is the political class will love this.
• 15:36
  Speaker 6: Anyone in politics will love this because liberal seats will
• 15:40
  Speaker 6: probably become safer, labor seats will become safer, You'll be
• 15:44
  Speaker 6: able to consolidate your base in your heartland a lot
• 15:46
  Speaker 6: more and more seats just means more aspiring politicians get
• 15:50
  Speaker 6: to go into Parliament, which the staff is all all
• 15:53
  Speaker 6: love because that's probably where they're wanting to head.
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: But ultimately, if you've ever sort of spent much.
• 15:59
  Speaker 6: Time with a federal MP, it's kind of like, well,
• 16:02
  Speaker 6: I don't think they do that much. To be honest,
• 16:05
  Speaker 6: I'm real and I've seen a few in my time,
• 16:07
  Speaker 6: and there can be some good ones. But the argument
• 16:10
  Speaker 6: they make is, oh, we need to go to more
• 16:12
  Speaker 6: community groups and blah blah blah.
• 16:13
  Speaker 7: Well do you, yeah, but then you've got poor Bob Catters,
• 16:16
  Speaker 7: his electrics the size of Victoria. He's not coping all
• 16:20
  Speaker 7: that well with that sort of travel at the moment
• 16:21
  Speaker 7: as we can we can tell so, but it'd.
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: Be hard preastified, a harder working MP. I think that dryly,
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: perfectly honest.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: And also, don't forget if we have.
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: Fixed four year, fixed terms, we may well and end
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: up with senators getting a year. Oh yeah, how's that
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: for an idea while we're talking about the Senate. Today
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: is National Flag Day, a day to celebrate Australia's national flag.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: What a great day. And so Senator just sent a
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: Nampa jimp.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: Price thought it would be an appropriate day to don
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: the Australian flag in the Senate and she spoke in
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: the Senate today about the importance of the Australian flag.
• 16:58
  Speaker 8: Today is national flag. When one understands the history behind
• 17:02
  Speaker 8: our national flag, when one values its symbolic weight, it's
• 17:07
  Speaker 8: beyond comprehension that the burning of our national flag is
• 17:11
  Speaker 8: not a criminal offense. Like most Australians, I was appalled
• 17:16
  Speaker 8: by the footage of pro Palestinian protesters burning our national
• 17:20
  Speaker 8: flag in Melbourne on Sunday, the third of August. That
• 17:24
  Speaker 8: event coincided with a disruptive, disgraceful and divisied valley across
• 17:28
  Speaker 8: the Sydney Harbor Bridge.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: Now, who could disagree with any of that? It's National
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: Flag Day. You have an indigenous senator draped in the
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: Australian flag in the Australian Parliament. It's hard to think
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: of anything more appropriate. But Green's going to green Green
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: Senator Nick McKim decided to make it look like he
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: possibly had a lobotomy and made a comparison to the
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: Palestinian flag.
• 17:54
  Speaker 9: And I do want to make the point that if
• 17:56
  Speaker 9: it's okay for Senator Nampajimber Price to wrap her up
• 18:00
  Speaker 9: in this flag, I would intend to wrap myself in
• 18:03
  Speaker 9: a Palestinian flag and come into the chamber and exercise
• 18:07
  Speaker 9: the same rights that Senator Nampa Jimpa Price is currently exercise.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Set Where do you begin, Where do you begin? How
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: is it in any way the same?
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: And I take his point that they've tried to wear
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: kifis and Palestinian flags and stuff whatever in Parliament before,
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: and they've been told not to because it's a prop
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: But the Palestinian flag is not the national flag of
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: Australia being worn on National Flag Day in the Australian part.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: This flog's kidding himself.
• 18:34
  Speaker 7: And look, I'd have to say off the top, if
• 18:36
  Speaker 7: he is so proud of the Palestinian flag and what
• 18:40
  Speaker 7: Palestine stands for and he wants to drape himself in it,
• 18:43
  Speaker 7: he's welcome to move there. He could move there tomorrow
• 18:45
  Speaker 7: and there would be absolutely no issue. We could have
• 18:47
  Speaker 7: the pre set in then exactly. But firstly, it's really
• 18:51
  Speaker 7: sad that we're in a period in our country where
• 18:54
  Speaker 7: the idea of someone wearing an Australian flag in Parliament
• 18:58
  Speaker 7: would be provocative or like offensive to some or just
• 19:02
  Speaker 7: even out of the ordinary. I mean it was a
• 19:03
  Speaker 7: very symbolic thing, as you say, First Nation Senator and
• 19:07
  Speaker 7: making a very important point about the idea of people
• 19:10
  Speaker 7: in our country burning.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Our flag at protests.
• 19:13
  Speaker 7: Clearly, the Greens have not learnt their lesson from the
• 19:16
  Speaker 7: last federal election where they got wiped out largely in
• 19:19
  Speaker 7: the Lower House and took you know, way too went
• 19:22
  Speaker 7: way too hard on the Palestinian issue back to one
• 19:25
  Speaker 7: side bias offensive and so for him to even say that,
• 19:30
  Speaker 7: I think, well, when you talk about the two sides,
• 19:32
  Speaker 7: you know he'd be backing in a fight here.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: It's just in a price any day of the week.
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: And there argument here is that in the Senate props
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: a band. But how is the Australian flag a prop
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: The Australian flag is what you're elected to serve and
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: defend as a member of Parliament. It's what unites us all.
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: It's not just a prop like a Palestinian flag or
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: a lump of coal.
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: Or a burger.
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: So my kind of prop moments in Australian Parliament. Wow,
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: but it is not a prop. It is our national flat.
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: It's a national flag day. If there was ever a
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: time to remind people why you're in parliament, why you're
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: serving the people, it would be today holding that flag.
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: And that is exactly what Just Enterprise did. But I
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: think it's at the point now where we can conclusively
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: say that the Greens just hate Australia, they just hate
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: this country. They won't stand in front of an Australian flag.
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: They have more loyalty to Palestine than to the people
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: of Australia. They're more concerned about foreign conflicts than Australian families.
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: And at what point do we just go you actually
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: do not serve the Australian people.
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: Why are you in parliament? Full stop?
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. I mean.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: To try and make a direct comparison between the flag
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: of the country which you were elected to serve and
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: a foreign flag is ridiculous.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: It's offenship.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: An Australian Wearing an Australian flag in the Australian Parliament
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: does not mean that you then get to come into
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: the Australian Parliament and where a foreign flag is though
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: you were a representative of a foreign nation as Jameson,
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: if you want to be representative of a foreign ation,
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: you can go over there. I mean, Nick McKim, if
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: you want to go and try and get yourself a
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: job in the ministry at Hamas be my guest.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: I'd love to see it.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: I would love to see you do it, and I'd
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: love to you afterwards if you managed to survive the exercise.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: Just seem to nampajin the price to hit back at
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: Nick McKim This afternoon talking to Danika de Georgio, who
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: is feeling in for Chris Kinn.
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: This is the Greens for you.
• 21:29
  Speaker 10: They care more about other countries than they do our
• 21:33
  Speaker 10: own country. They're part of the reason why our country
• 21:37
  Speaker 10: sees so much division right now. And you know what,
• 21:40
  Speaker 10: I will stand up for Australia all the time. You know,
• 21:43
  Speaker 10: I love this country.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Good honor. Good honor is all like concern.
• 21:47
  Speaker 7: What happened to the Greens, You've got to ask yourself
• 21:50
  Speaker 7: out loud. I mean, they used to be a party
• 21:52
  Speaker 7: and Bob Brown was a great leader. Bob Brown's now
• 21:54
  Speaker 7: taking his stance against a couple of wind projects. It
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: was environment first, a couple of other social issues, and
• 22:01
  Speaker 7: now it's just hate and the hate shown from something
• 22:04
  Speaker 7: like that to be opposing the Australian flag in Parliament
• 22:08
  Speaker 7: and we're going to wear a Palestinian flag instead. I
• 22:10
  Speaker 7: mean the bloke's tone death, absolutely tone deaf.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: I think they sniff the wind or the wind farms,
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: which will come back to in just a minute, and
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: just get it wrong on basically everything totally. You look
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: at during the election and things have been a bit
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: different after the election in terms of the governments carry
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: on about Palestine. But the government very deliberately didn't touch
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: that issue during the federal election because they had polling
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: that said it was.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Not a vope win.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Now the Greens just don't care anymore. It's just on
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: for young and old. We'll just do whatever the hell
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: we want.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Their enemies of the.
• 22:42
  Speaker 7: Country now there's growing anger in the bush in regards
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: to net zero, and we've been raising these stories for
• 22:48
  Speaker 7: the last couple of weeks both here and through the
• 22:50
  Speaker 7: Daily Telegraph. But basically there's a concern from farmers today
• 22:54
  Speaker 7: via the New South Wales Farmers association that landowners who
• 22:58
  Speaker 7: agreed a host win turbines and solar farms for twenty
• 23:02
  Speaker 7: thirty years. It's a very lucrative upfront agreement that guarantees
• 23:06
  Speaker 7: you a payment every year between now and probably what
• 23:10
  Speaker 7: twenty fifty five, when hopefully we've saved the planet by then.
• 23:14
  Speaker 7: But the concern today is that there is not enough
• 23:17
  Speaker 7: security in regards to the cleanup and the rehabilitation of
• 23:21
  Speaker 7: these farms when the turbines reach end of life. The
• 23:24
  Speaker 7: stories we run in the last few days indicate that
• 23:26
  Speaker 7: each turbine costs about four hundred and eighty thousand, six
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: hundred thousand dollars to bring down. The concrete gets covered up.
• 23:34
  Speaker 7: You've got to pull about all these parts. There's big cranes,
• 23:37
  Speaker 7: there's trucks, there's thirty odd workers. And you imagine you're
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: hosting ten of these turbines six hundred thousand dollars each.
• 23:43
  Speaker 7: That's six million dollars that the green energy company is
• 23:47
  Speaker 7: meant to pay in the decades ahead. The problem is
• 23:51
  Speaker 7: there's no guarantee that they'll do that, and farmers are
• 23:53
  Speaker 7: now saying we want a bit more security from the government.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Just don't put the wind fat on your property would
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: be a good answer to the the problem, wouldn't it.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you're worried about having to pay all
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: this money at the end, you don't have to pay
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: any money at the end if you don't.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Put it up.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: And this is of course, the concern of the neighbors
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: of these farmers who are saying yes to these wind
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: farms is that they get a financial windfall in the
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: short term. The ones who take on the wind farms,
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: the neighbors next door have to deal with the fallout
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: and potentially having their land devalued because of it. So
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: is this not just come up that you sold out
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: your neighbors and your community to make money in the
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: short term that you then basically have to hand.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Back over in the long term to deal with this problem.
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: Yes, but it's not an excuse.
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: At the same time, and Chris Mins is refusing to
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: introduce a bond which would require win companies to pay
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: for the cost of decommissioning them upfront, because he's saying that they.
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: Would cost over a billion dollars.
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: But if you're going to have to pay for those
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: costs at the end, why don't you just pay for
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: them at the start and give people some security that
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: they're not going to be left next to a decrepit, rundown,
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: decommissioned wind farm in prime agricultural real estate. And what
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: are we going to be left with if these wind
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: energy companies don't fulfill their obligations, don't decommission the wind
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: farms if they go bust, for example, and farmers don't
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: do it either, are we just going to have a
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: countryside landscape that's littered with these rundown, useless wind turbines.
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: I mean, they're basically useless already, but.
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: That's where we're heading, right And I just think it's
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: ridiculous that they're being able to put these farms in
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: all over the place with no assurances about what's going
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: to happen on the other side.
• 25:35
  Speaker 7: Well, and the other concern is that a lot of farmers,
• 25:38
  Speaker 7: and sure, I think it's bia beware, but when your
• 25:41
  Speaker 7: whole job is running cattle and you've done that for
• 25:44
  Speaker 7: generations and someone comes in and says, here's two hundred
• 25:47
  Speaker 7: thousand dollars for every year for the next thirty years,
• 25:51
  Speaker 7: just sign there and it'll all be okay in five years,
• 25:53
  Speaker 7: they don't enter the phone in ten years, they don't
• 25:56
  Speaker 7: have a website, and all of a sudden you're like, hey,
• 25:58
  Speaker 7: these thing's breaking down. I don't know what happens. And
• 26:00
  Speaker 7: the governments, as you say, should be upfront. Like with
• 26:03
  Speaker 7: mining with any mind, you've got to pay the money
• 26:05
  Speaker 7: up front so that at the end of life you
• 26:08
  Speaker 7: have a rehabilitation plan at the end. We're not doing
• 26:11
  Speaker 7: that here. And I think one of the problems is
• 26:13
  Speaker 7: we're on this aggressive, just blind push towards net zero,
• 26:17
  Speaker 7: and it means that the government hasn't actually sat back
• 26:20
  Speaker 7: and said, hey, that's going to be a problem. This
• 26:22
  Speaker 7: contracts a problem. There's a loophole here. They've just said,
• 26:25
  Speaker 7: just do it, allow the private sector to build it,
• 26:27
  Speaker 7: and will work it out later on. And it just
• 26:30
  Speaker 7: gets to the psyche of this whole thing.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: I think what it really proves is what a scam
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: this whole thing is. I mean, you know, if this
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: bond scheme costs one point three billion dollars and they
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: don't want to do that because it'll scare off investment,
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: well then there's just no appetite to invest this there.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, the market is meant to be able to
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: decide what sort of energy mix we have. I think
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: that's the best way to work these things out, because
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: I mean it's you and I who have to pay
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: for it eventually through our powerhills. So the market is
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: dictated to some degree by the consumer, and it's also
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: dictated by the investor. If the investor can't get value
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: for money, then the projects don't go ahead. So the
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: government is essentially admitting that these projects do not stack up.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: And you'll remember a few years ago, through the great
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: work of Nick Cator who went out and filmed one
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: of these graveyards basically of these wind tub bines that
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: have been decommissioned and left out the back of Queensland somewhere.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: That's what they do with them. They're just leaving them.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: They're doing nothing with them.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: If people don't want to pay the money, well then
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: we don't get wind fast.
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: But the problem is at this point the market has
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: been so distorted by billions of dollars of government subsidies.
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: And if you have messaging to an industry the coal
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: is over, coal is done. Who the heck is going
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: to be maintaining coal plants? Like obviously, people will move
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: to renewables, even though it is not the best, most
• 27:52
  Speaker 6: reliable form of energy in Australia.
• 27:54
  Speaker 7: Well, particularly when it's been reported this week that a
• 27:57
  Speaker 7: couple of the companies that are getting the most lucrative
• 27:59
  Speaker 7: subsidy where the government basically guarantees a minimum and a
• 28:03
  Speaker 7: maximum spend and taxpayers are liable for any lost earnings
• 28:07
  Speaker 7: a bp BP have three projects and you know, a
• 28:11
  Speaker 7: Malaysian oil giant run by the Malaysian government, and people go, well,
• 28:15
  Speaker 7: hang on, they're polluting overseas, probably more than ever, and
• 28:18
  Speaker 7: yet they're just taking advantage of these crazy subsidies that
• 28:21
  Speaker 7: would never be offered to any other industry.
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: Well, the IBA did research on this that found seventy
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: five percent of wind farms are either wholly or partially
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: owned by overseas investors. So we're literally just shipping our
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: money and our energy offshore. But something that is also
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: genuinely incredible is what's going on in the UK. Elon
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: Musk has described it as a police state and totalitarian.
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: That might sound dramatic until you hear what has just happened.
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: The comedian Graham Lynam, who has written iconic UK sitcoms
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: like The It Crowd, Father Ted and Black Books, was
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: detained when he landed at London Heathrow Airport by five
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: armed policemen over his ex posts about transgenderism. Now, the
• 29:12
  Speaker 6: posts in question were, if a trans identified male is
• 29:17
  Speaker 6: in a female only space, he's committing a violent abusive act. Magazine,
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: call the cops, and if all else fails, punch him
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: in the balls. I mean, that's pretty funny. Here's a
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: comedian after all. The second second one was a photo
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: you can smell picture of a large crown, and the
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: third one I hate them misogynists and homophobes FM. So
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: those three posts got him detained by five policemen and
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: he was released on the condition that he stopped posting
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: on x. He's also facing the magistrate's court for another
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: assault case that he claims is also because of a
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: transactivist now Ila mask jk Rolling. They've all come to
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: his defense, but interestingly, a trans advocate said, this should
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: be a warning to anyone who's questioning transgenderism.
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: You're going to get locked up if you call us out.
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: What has happened to the country where the common law
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: was created, where free speech has been a right enshrined
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: in the common law for one thousand years, they're now
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: detaining comedians over anti transposts.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean we should be worried about it if
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: we're going on a plane to the UK now, I
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: think having talked about this and we're mocking it, saying
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: how ridiculous it is. I mean, maybe we get arrested
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: if we decided to go over there. Lynon is an irishman,
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: so he's flown into the UK, gets to the airport,
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: gets hit with this thing. He's told he's got to
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: rock up for another interview in October about it. As
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: you said, so long as he stays in the UK.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: His interpretation of his bail conditions is that he can't
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: post on it. I mean, what on earth is going
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: on in this country? I mean this this is the
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: same country where we have seen people arrested and have
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: coppers knock on their door for posting, you know, spicy
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: memes online that oh.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Maybe it was mildly racist or something.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: You know, if you see a racist meme online, you
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: might get in the comments and tell someone there, you
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: know what, right, you don't expect the coppers to go
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: around and knock on their door. I mean, this is
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: the country where you have people being arrested for praying
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: silently in the street because it happens to be near
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: an abortion clinic.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: This is a country where they now.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Have literal thought crimes.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: Who would have ever thought we would get to the
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: point where, you know, the coppers in the UK now
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: don't go.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: After real crime.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: They go around and see to people who have signs
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: in their windows calling shoplifters scum bags they tell them
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: of But if you're the shoplifter, you're fine. Or if
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: you post something on Twitter that says, you know, punch
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: someone in the balls, which is clearly a joke. No, no, no,
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: that's incitement of.
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: Our well and police hearing their hair out, and it's
• 32:01
  Speaker 7: happening here, not to this level, but I mean the
• 32:03
  Speaker 7: fact that someone could be treated like this, like they
• 32:06
  Speaker 7: were a drug dealer or a felon and suddenly pulled
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: into a room and questioned over what is put on
• 32:12
  Speaker 7: social media. And I note Prime Minister Keir Starmer has
• 32:14
  Speaker 7: said that it was heavy handed, and rightly so. But
• 32:17
  Speaker 7: I just think this is a great example of how
• 32:20
  Speaker 7: we have empowered people to make complaints and we have
• 32:23
  Speaker 7: encouraged this kind of thing, not just through laws, not
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: just by you know, trying to regulate social media, but
• 32:30
  Speaker 7: also regulate free speech, sometimes too much, but our institutions
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: as well to be saying, hey, if you feel offended
• 32:36
  Speaker 7: by that, here's a hotline, here's an email.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Address, make a complaint.
• 32:41
  Speaker 7: The more complaints we get, the bigger the issue is,
• 32:43
  Speaker 7: the more that can be done about it. And there's
• 32:45
  Speaker 7: people in Australia that have been called before commissions and
• 32:49
  Speaker 7: asked to explain certain comments and censored lost jobs. There
• 32:53
  Speaker 7: was that Tasmanian counselor that made a couple of comments
• 32:56
  Speaker 7: and all of a sudden she's up to her eyes
• 32:58
  Speaker 7: in legal bills. I mean, where are we heading? But again,
• 33:00
  Speaker 7: the system has encouraged this kind of thing.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: Well, the nick Nanny, the Karen Julian Ngrad, I'm sure
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: if you could do it, he is, she'd be doing it.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: She'd get her own police force to come and get you.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: While we're talking about craziness. In the UK, they're now
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: considering so Keis Starmer's government is considering introducing digital ID, Yes,
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: digital ID for every person in the United Kingdom because
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: of wait for it, illegal immigrants.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, the vanguard that they're going to use to bring
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: in digital ID, so that.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: Everything you ever do can all be centralized into one
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: place owned by the government. Is the fact that people
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: are getting on boats and coming across the channel. Now
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: there's always the option of stopping the boats or turning
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: them back like we did here in Australia.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: But to Keis Darma says, no, no, no, We're going to
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: look into this.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: Digital ID because apparently there are too many of these
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: illegal migrants going for jobs and it's impossible to tell
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: whether they are illegal migrants or not. So you must
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: have a digital ID, which, according to the Time of London,
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: would allow you to prove eligibility to work, it would
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: allow you to pay bills, it would allow you to
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: vote online, it would allow you to sign contracts, allow
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: you to shop. I mean, are we talking about You're
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: going to need a digital ID to go into a
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: shop now and to access health information. This is a
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: one stop shop for the government to have total oversight
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: and total control of everything you do in your life.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: And they're going to try and get it past by saying, well,
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: we need it to combat illegal migrant.
• 34:32
  Speaker 6: Surely that is just an excuse, Like you know, they've
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: been wanting to do this for a long time and
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: they think, oh, illegal immigration.
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: People hate that so much.
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: Maybe if we say it's about combating illegal immigration, that
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: might be the thing that gets them to support digital ID.
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: But it also doesn't make sense because if people have
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: come to the UK illegally, wouldn't you rather than be
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: working versus being locked up in a migrant hotel at
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: billions of cost to the tax I mean, at least
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: it's more economically efficient. I mean, I don't like that
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: they're there, but hey, why don't you just stop the boats?
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: Given they are there, let them work?
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: But just practically, how does this work?
• 35:11
  Speaker 7: So I go to a shop, I go to apply
• 35:13
  Speaker 7: for a job and I they say, where's your digital ID?
• 35:17
  Speaker 7: And I don't have one. What happens next? Is it
• 35:19
  Speaker 7: citizens arrest? But the alarms going off? Are we stopping
• 35:23
  Speaker 7: people on the spot?
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: Or this is why they have to enforce a system
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: where everyone has to be subject to a digital LAD
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: No one can avoid the government system that we're all
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: part of. Very quickly before we get to a break,
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: you know, we go from one extreme to the other.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: Or a government so ridiculous that they're going to subject
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: you to digital ID. This is a dose I think
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: of what the UK needs dealing with dodgy boats that
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: you can see there is a boat full of people
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: smuggling drugs towards the United States and it gets blown up.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: This was ordered by Donald Trump on this Venezuelan boat,
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: and he said that this is a warning to the rest.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Of the world. You wanted to try and smuggled drugs, He.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: Posted on his platform Truth Social Please let this servers
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: know just to anybody even thinking about bringing drugs into
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: the United States of America. But where thank you for
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: your attention to this matter. That is how you get
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: things done. Drugs coming into your country.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Blow the boats up. How good is that to see?
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: After the break, we'll get into the papers. There's a
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: school saying they're going to move to a permanent four
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: day week. I'm sure the kids are cheering. We'll tell
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: you more about that after the place.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Radio.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Let's get into tomorrow's newspapers. We'll start with the Australian
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: where they have what is basically the story of the day.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: Of course, they're talking about this great meeting meetup in China.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: One of the headliness despots in arms, and who is
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: one of those desk pots in arms happens to be
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Daniel Andrews, the former Premier of Victoria. Underneath it, it says
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: alp figures discuss discussed Sorry Dan not shared by Albanesi.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: Daniel Andrews has ignited fury inside labor for his decision
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: to rub shoulders with the world's most notorious dictators, but
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: Anthony Albanizi has refused to criticize his former Canberra flatmate
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: for attending Jijingping's military parade. One federal Labor MP branded
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: the former Victorian premier a traitor after he was greeted
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: with a handshake by the Chinese president and placed just
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: three rows behind North Korean dictator Kim Jong un on
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: a VIP podium to watch China's ostentatious display of military
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: mac Now that handshake was mentioned there, I mean, it's
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: the most extraordinary handshake of all time. I think anyone's
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: ever seen the length. You know, he goes in there
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: with his arm outstretched for about five minutes before he
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: gets to Jijingping. He was so desperate to shake his hand.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: And of course it mentioned there the proximity to Kim
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: Jong un, and you can see here just how close
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: the former Premier of Victoria is standing to the leader
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: of North Korea. Like he has two people behind him
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: on the podium. It does put a new complexion on
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: Dictator Dan and of course the other bloke he went
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: over there, former Premier was Bob Karr.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: He decided against.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: Going to this today, but he has been over there
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: for these celebrations about the end of the war with Japan.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: He was on seven thirty earlier this evening.
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: We've had the opportunity to mingle with people who are
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: important to both our countries and that's what I've done here,
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: making a contribution I hope to what is a major
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: Australian engagement with the People's Republic of China. But I'm
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: respecting something as important for them Sierra as a centenary
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: of Anazac or a centenary of Kakuda would be to us.
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, knock me over, Wow, it's a major Australian engagement.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: But the two blokes have gone over there aren't in
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: politics anymore. They've just chosen people who've been friendly to.
• 39:04
  Speaker 7: Charge well, and I think it has an impact on
• 39:07
  Speaker 7: both men's legacy somewhat. I realize they've both had involvements
• 39:12
  Speaker 7: and have been full of praise for China.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Long term. I know Bob Carr saying there that.
• 39:16
  Speaker 7: Was very important to be there and some very important
• 39:18
  Speaker 7: people for our nation to be dealing with. I'm assuming
• 39:21
  Speaker 7: he doesn't mean Vladimir Putin. I'm assuming he doesn't mean,
• 39:24
  Speaker 7: you know, the North Korean leader as well. But the
• 39:27
  Speaker 7: whole thing and just the optics of this, I mean,
• 39:30
  Speaker 7: for Dan Andrews to be there on stage with the
• 39:33
  Speaker 7: leaders of all those countries and where they sit in
• 39:36
  Speaker 7: this global environment is just scandalous. I mean, the other
• 39:40
  Speaker 7: thing I'd say is Dan Andrews has probably run out
• 39:42
  Speaker 7: of friends in Victoria and so has to make his
• 39:45
  Speaker 7: way over season.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Believe it or not.
• 39:46
  Speaker 7: Yes, they're still building a statue for this bloke in
• 39:49
  Speaker 7: Victoria because of the years that he served.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: But what a shocking look that photo is.
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: It's pretty disgusting, to be honest, and it's embarrassing as
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: an Australian to have an Australian former premier up there
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: proudly standing alongside the dictators. And two weeks ago we
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: found out Iran launched direct attacks against Australians on Australian soil,
• 40:13
  Speaker 6: and now Dan Andrews is willing to be photographed at
• 40:16
  Speaker 6: the same event as the Iranian president.
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know how he doesn't have any shame.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: It's despicable that we know that bloke doesn't any shae.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: We've known that for a long time. It is just
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: extraordinary and I think it seems a really bad message
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: about our country.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: I know he's not a politician anymore, but he comes
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: with the import of being a former premier. Now, the
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: story on the front of the Odds tomorrow old it
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: to cost textpays thirteen and a half billion dollars. What's
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: a bit more taxpayers money? Eh, Anthony Alberzi's ballooning public
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: service is burning money quote unquote on outdated IT systems
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: that threatened to cost textpayers up to thirteen and a
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: half billion dollars in savings, undermine the government's uptake of
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: artificial intelligence and expose Australians to cyber attacks and inferior services.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: After Jim Charmer's Economic Reform Roundtable last month called for
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: the public sector to lead Australia's digital productivity gains, a
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: report reveals the Australian public service has fallen behind the
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: world and is plagued by cultural barriers between departments and agencies.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you can't trust these people to get
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: the job done, who can.
• 41:23
  Speaker 7: Well, it's amazing with the amount of money that's floating
• 41:26
  Speaker 7: around the public service on wages and the cost of
• 41:28
  Speaker 7: this bureaucracy, that they.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't have an IT system.
• 41:31
  Speaker 7: I reckon that would have been a pretty good thing
• 41:33
  Speaker 7: to discuss at the roundtable recently, to say, hey, just
• 41:35
  Speaker 7: so you know, we've had some really big cyber attacks
• 41:38
  Speaker 7: in this country. We've had many care we've had optors
• 41:40
  Speaker 7: make sure your cybersecurity is in order. And then they say, oh,
• 41:44
  Speaker 7: look at thirteen billion dollars.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Look that's like six hospitals.
• 41:47
  Speaker 7: It's half a Sydney Metro, a brand new sort of
• 41:49
  Speaker 7: metro extension. But we've got to do it. So just
• 41:51
  Speaker 7: sort of allow us to do it. I mean, what
• 41:53
  Speaker 7: a joke. How could it possibly cost that much money?
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: Well, no one do.
• 41:56
  Speaker 6: They don't want new IT systems because then you wouldn't
• 41:59
  Speaker 6: need as any public service. We know that the public
• 42:02
  Speaker 6: service it has self interest at its core, and the
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: self interest dictates they don't want any productivity gains. That's
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: why they don't want any AI in the public service.
• 42:13
  Speaker 6: So of course they don't want any it either, because
• 42:16
  Speaker 6: that means why would you get a computer to do
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: something when you can just pay another person one hundred
• 42:20
  Speaker 6: and twenty grand a year to do the exact same thing.
• 42:23
  Speaker 7: That's right now, I'm keen to get you guys' thoughts
• 42:25
  Speaker 7: on this story, which is on the front page of
• 42:27
  Speaker 7: the Daily Telegraph tomorrow. A virtual school will make four
• 42:31
  Speaker 7: day weeks permanent after getting the ticket approval from both
• 42:34
  Speaker 7: parents and teachers. This is Crimson Global Academy. They operate
• 42:38
  Speaker 7: in more than thirty countries. They've been trialing a four
• 42:41
  Speaker 7: day timetable for about three hundred and thirty Australian and
• 42:44
  Speaker 7: Kiwi students, and fridays set aside for special projects, paid work, internships,
• 42:50
  Speaker 7: plus sport and activities.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: I don't mind that the four day school week. What
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: do we make of it?
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: Well, I assume you have to do longer days during
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: the weeks. Instead of you know, six hours, which is
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: about the standard school day, you know, you might do
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: eight or whatever. And look if the kids and parents
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: are on board with that, I don't see what the
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: issue is. I think it's a bit like the four
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: day work week in the workplace. If it's an agreement
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: that an employer and an employee has, or in this
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: case it's an agreement that a parent and a school has.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: If they think that's the way that's going to work
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: best for them, then good on them, go ahead and
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: do it. The issue becomes when people start saying, well,
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: this has to be standardized across the entire sector, and
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: I'll hey, that's actually not how we want to work.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: We don't want to do four day weeks. But if
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: it's your you want to do it your business.
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, oh, I totally back this. I think this would
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: be great.
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: And you think about the amount of time that's wasted
• 43:43
  Speaker 6: in school going between periods, recess, lunch, but misbehavior. If
• 43:49
  Speaker 6: you can find a way to streamline that and just
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: have focused learning, and if you can do it in
• 43:53
  Speaker 6: four days.
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: Even better.
• 43:55
  Speaker 6: Let kids go out and get some real world experience
• 43:57
  Speaker 6: on Fridays, that'd be good. In the career Mail Tomorrow
• 44:00
  Speaker 6: really sad headline The true Toll of pregnancy. More than
• 44:04
  Speaker 6: half of women affected by extreme mourning sickness have considered
• 44:08
  Speaker 6: terminating their pregnancy, an Australian study has found, and the
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: toll of hyperarememesis Gavra Durham I'm.
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: Sorry, I really cannot pronounce that very well.
• 44:18
  Speaker 6: A severe form of mourning sickness has made nine in
• 44:21
  Speaker 6: ten sufferers feel they couldn't face another pregnancy.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: So for half of women to consider.
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: Terminating having an abortion because it was that painful, I mean,
• 44:34
  Speaker 6: that is just really sad.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:37
  Speaker 7: Look, I always feel really as a bloke, I feel
• 44:40
  Speaker 7: really unqualified to talk about this topic.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: But I would say that as a bloke you can get.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: Pregnant these days. James don't feel unqualified.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: To talk a bit.
• 44:48
  Speaker 7: But I think if the numbers are that high, then
• 44:50
  Speaker 7: it deserves some serious research and investigations into why that's occurring.
• 44:54
  Speaker 7: Because if it's stopping people from having another child, then
• 44:57
  Speaker 7: it's a problem.
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: And we've got a birth rate crisis in this country.
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: We need women. If you're thinking about having two.
• 45:02
  Speaker 6: No have four, double whatever you want, because that's what
• 45:05
  Speaker 6: we need to say about democrats.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: I do wonder whether stories like this actually do discourage
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: people from I think because they read about thinking, oh
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: Jesus must be motherhood must be so terrible, very quickly
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: before we get to the break tomorrow AFL final start.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm an Adelaide Crows man. They're playing Collingwood
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: tomorrow night, but on the front of the Herald Son
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: they say three is a charm. Victoria's Premiership dreams rest
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: in the hands of Geelong, Hawthorne and Collingwood. The Magpies
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: kickoff finals tonight. That is tomorrow because it's tomorrow's paper,
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: seeking to upstage the Crows at a parochial Adelaide Oval. Well,
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, of course it's going to be parochial
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: Adelaide Oval. It's the Adelaide Crow's home ground in Adelaide.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, what do you think if they played at.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: The MCG that it wouldn't be a parochial Melbourne crowd.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: I love the rivalry. You've got a great team in
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: the Adelaide Crew Crows. I hope they win, and you've
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: got the team that everyone loves hey in Collingwood, and
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: I hope they go down. After the break, we'll get
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: into some of the winner and wackier things of the day,
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: including some kids rocking up to court on a school excursion.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: They end up in a courtroom with a woman who's
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: being sentenced on drug chargers and she turns around and
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: gives the kids a life lesson I'll tell.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: You what this happened is.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: Welcome back breaking news out of the UK right now.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: The Deputy Prime Minister Angela Rayner has admitted that she
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: didn't pay enough stamp duty on a second home that
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: she owned with her ex husband. The BBC reporting on
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: this at the moment that she has referred herself to
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: the Standards Watchdog for this conduct. This is currently unfolding
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: in Parliament. Keemi Badnock, the opposition leader for the Tories,
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: obviously has said that Rayner's position is untenable. In a
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: long statement that Rayner has put out today, she said
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: that she deeply regrets the error that has been made
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: and she's out lned and personal details about trust that
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: was set up for her son, who has special needs,
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: who she got divorced in twenty twenty three. She said
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: she saw legal advice before buying this flat. She said
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: that there was stuff that she couldn't reveal until now
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: because it had all been going through the courts, etc.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: But it is it's pretty hard to see as Deputy
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: Prime minister when you've admitted that you haven't paid enough
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: tax on something that you're not going to have to
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: fall on.
• 47:28
  Speaker 7: Well and don't you love a lot of these political scandals.
• 47:31
  Speaker 7: There's always a trust fund, there's an accidental issue, And
• 47:34
  Speaker 7: I mean it sounds like from the timeline that I've
• 47:36
  Speaker 7: read come to hand, there's been enough opportunities to do
• 47:39
  Speaker 7: the right thing and resolve this issue. But now she's
• 47:43
  Speaker 7: been smashed as a result. But I think this could
• 47:45
  Speaker 7: have been put out far far quicker.
• 47:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and she's also the Secretary of State for Housing,
• 47:50
  Speaker 6: so she's trying to tell everyone how to have affordable homes.
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: Meanwhile she's over here allegedly doing the dodgy on the stand, Like,
• 47:58
  Speaker 6: how does she have any right selecture people or assume
• 48:01
  Speaker 6: she can fix the housing crisis when clearly she's taking
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: liberties to minimize her to me.
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: And the other thing as well is that she said
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: that she'd received advice when she bought this second home
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: that said she had to pay the standard rate of
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: text of stamp duty and it was only when it
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: got raised publicly correct she then went and got further
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: legal advice that told her maybe you should pay more.
• 48:22
  Speaker 7: Come on, she's got two houses, She's got to pay
• 48:24
  Speaker 7: two stamp duties.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's not that easy for.
• 48:26
  Speaker 6: Something struggling, really struggling. But how about this, This is
• 48:31
  Speaker 6: just so funny. Imagine going to a local court on
• 48:35
  Speaker 6: a school excursion.
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: Pretty cool experience.
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: Right, and imagine even getting to see a real life
• 48:41
  Speaker 6: person being convicted for drug offences.
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: Well, a bunch of school students were there.
• 48:45
  Speaker 6: Then then magistrate said, hey, convicted person, why don't you
• 48:49
  Speaker 6: give a life lesson to these kids. You will not
• 48:52
  Speaker 6: believe what this convicted drug offender said. She turned to
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  Speaker 6: the kids and she said, don't do mess, not once.
• 48:59
  Speaker 6: You'll only get one attack of this life, so anytime
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  Speaker 6: you make a mistake, it stays with you forever. Well,
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  Speaker 6: if there's one lesson for everyone watching, it's don't do math.
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  Speaker 6: And I think that's a pretty good rule to live by.
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  Speaker 2: To be honest, I think we can all get behind it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to say props to the magistrates total kids
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  Speaker 3: and saying to the woman you want to give them
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  Speaker 3: a lesson, And props to the woman for having the
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  Speaker 3: foresight to say, yeah, I lot it.
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  Speaker 7: I'm amazing the Education Department allowed this to occur. But
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  Speaker 7: I think it's a kind of lesson that seriously, kids
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  Speaker 7: should be learning one way or another.
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  Speaker 1: That's it.
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  Speaker 2: Let's have more of it. Spin a day in the
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  Speaker 2: court room. I used to do it a lot. Thank
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  Speaker 2: you for joining us tonight. Coming up next, the Green
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  Speaker 2: suing that