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Tesla's Autonomy Reputation Defense · Elon Musk Podcast

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  It is Tuesday, February 24th, 2026 and we were looking at a
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  story today that broke yesterday involving Tesla and the
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  California DMV. Yeah, and it's, well, it's a bit
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  of a puzzle when you actually map out the timeline of the last
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  week. Right, because at first glance,
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  if you just read the headlines, you'd think it looks like
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  standard corporate litigation. You know, a company suing a
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  regulator. Which happens every day, yeah,
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  but the strategy here is totally inverted.
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  Usually you fight a legal battle to avoid a penalty, but here the
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  penalty was already off the table.
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  Exactly. So let's set the scene for you.
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  The headline is that Tesla filed A lawsuit against the California
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  Department of Motor Vehicles yesterday, Monday.
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  They are demanding that a state court overturned A ruling that
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  labeled them a false advertiser. Which is a very heavy label.
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  That's not just a passing criticism from a regulator.
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  That is a formal legal classification, right?
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  But here's the part I'm really struggling to wrap my head
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  around. The DMV had previously
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  threatened to suspend Tesla's license to sell cars in
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  California if they didn't fix their marketing language
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  regarding Full Self Driving and Autopilot.
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  But they did fix it. They did.
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  As of last week, February 17th, the DMV, we effectively said OK,
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  you change the language, you are good to go, no suspension.
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  Correct. The gun was removed from their
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  head. The immediate threat to their
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  revenue stream, which is being unable to sell cars in their
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  biggest U.S. market, was neutralized.
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  So if the threat is gone and they've already complied with
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  the. Changes why so now, yeah.
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  Why represent yourself in court yesterday to fight a battle
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  that, on paper, is already over? Why kick the hornet's nest?
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  That is the multi billion dollar question we are unpacking today
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  and to understand the answer we have to look beyond just the
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  immediate threat of a license suspension.
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  We have to look at court filings from February 13th, the DMV
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  rulings from two months ago, and some crucial financial context.
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  OK, so let's start with the actual lawsuit first, the one
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  filed on February 13th. Right.
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  So Tesla's attorneys filed a complaint in state court, and
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  they are specifically targeting a decision made by the Office of
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  Administrative Hearings, or OAH. And the OAH is the body that
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  handles disputes between state agencies and businesses, right?
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  Exactly. And about two months ago, the
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  OAH ruled that Tesla had engaged in false advertising by using
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  terms like Autopilot and full self driving.
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  And Tesla's response in this new filing?
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  They are calling the ruling wrongful and baseless.
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  They are arguing that the OAH got the facts completely wrong
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  and that the label needs to be completely scrubbed from the
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  record. Wrongful and baseless.
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  I mean, that is very strong language for a company that
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  effectively just admitted they needed to clarify things by
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  adding supervised to the name of the software.
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  Well, and that's the nuance they're trying to navigate here.
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  Tesla saying fine we will change the name to Full Self Driving
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  Supervised to keep the peace and keep selling cars today, but
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  they are refusing to accept the premise that the original names
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  were inherently deceptive. I see, so the argument is more
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  like we're changing it to be helpful moving forward, but we
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  refuse to legally admit we were wrong in the past.
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  Precisely. It sounds like a matter of
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  corporate pride, but being legally categorized as a false
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  advertiser carries incredible weight.
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  It's about the permanent record. So what is their actual defense?
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  Because looking at it as a consumer, full self driving
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  seems like a pretty specific promise.
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  If I go to a restaurant and buy something called the Full roast
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  Beef and it's just two slices of plain bread, I'm going to be
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  confused. Right, and that was exactly the
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  DMV's argument. They said the terms inherently
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  suggested the cars were autonomous when they weren't.
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  But Tesla's argument in this new filing is really interesting.
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  They are leaning heavily on the idea that no one was actually
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  confused. Really, that's the defense.
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  Yeah, they argue the DMV never proved that consumers were
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  confused. They're filing claims that it
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  was, quote, impossible to buy the car or use the features
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  without seeing clear, repeated statements that the vehicle is
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  not autonomous. Impossible.
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  That seems like a very high bar to clear in court.
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  It is, but they are pointing to the user manual.
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  The on screen warnings every time you enable the feature, the
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  fine print on the website, they're basically saying, look,
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  we told you to keep your hands on the wheel, we told you
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  require supervision. If you thought it drove itself,
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  you just weren't reading the instructions.
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  You know that reminds me of those terms and conditions we
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  all just scroll past on every app we download.
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  Legally, the text is there, but there is a serious tension
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  between a brand name like Autopilot and the fine print
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  telling you to keep your hands on the wheel.
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  It's the core tension of this entire saga.
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  For years Tesla has lived in in that gap.
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  Autopilot sounds like an airplane which still has pilots
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  but people associated with the plane flying itself.
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  Full self driving sounds like a robot but the screen says keep
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  your hands on the wheel. And they have made changes
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  recently to how they sell this. They have, you mentioned
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  supervised being added to the name last week, but they've also
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  shifted the business model. It used to be this massive
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  upfront fee to buy FSD. Now they've really pivoted to a
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  subscription model. Which maybe changes the
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  expectation a bit. It frames it more as a software
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  service rather than a fundamental capability of the
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  physical car. Right, but clearly the DMV felt
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  that wasn't enough to erase the past marketing, which is why the
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  OAH ruling happened in the first place.
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  OK, but here is where I get stuck on Tesla's argument that
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  it was impossible for anyone to be confused because we have
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  eyes. We have seen how people treat
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  these cars on the road. The behavior suggests people
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  were very confused. Right.
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  I'm thinking specifically about that, that 60 Minutes interview.
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  Do you remember this back in 2018?
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  Vividly. That clip is basically legendary
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  in legal circles at this point. So Elon Musk is in a model 3
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  with Leslie Stahl. They were on the highway and he
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  literally takes his hands off the wheel.
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  Hands completely in the air. Gesturing while he talks, he
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  tells her he is, quote, not doing anything, and he claims
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  the car is driving itself. Now, if the CEO of the company
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  is on national television demonstrating that, doesn't that
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  totally undermine the argument that consumers should just read
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  the manual and keep their hands on the wheel?
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  It absolutely complicates their defense.
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  You can point to the manual all day long, but if the public
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  demonstration by the face of the company contradicts that manual,
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  a jury is going to have a really hard time accepting that no
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  reasonable person was confused. Because the CEO was acting like
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  it was fully autonomous. Exactly, and juries are already
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  having a hard time with it. Look at the fatal crash verdict
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  from late last. Year the $243 million verdict.
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  Yes, this is a crucial piece of context for why Tesla is
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  fighting the DMV so hard right now.
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  Right. So in that specific case, the
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  driver was on the highway and dropped his phone.
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  Correct. He was driving, dropped his
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  phone and scrambled to pick it up, and he testified that he
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  relied on the Enhanced Autopilot system to brake for an obstacle
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  while he was looking down. And it didn't brake.
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  It didn't, and the during held Tesla partly liable for the
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  crash. They looked at the situation and
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  decided that, yes, the driver was distracted, but the company
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  bears responsibility for creating an expectation of Stacy
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  that just didn't exist. Which feels like a direct
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  refutation of what Tesla's arguing in this new lawsuit.
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  Tesla's saying it's impossible to be confused and a jury
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  literally just said this driver was confused and it is partly
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  your fault. Exactly, and that verdict was
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  nearly 1/4 of a billion dollars. Now imagine if the state of
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  California, which is the biggest car market in the US, has a
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  finalized, uncontested ruling on the books that officially labels
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  Tesla a false advertiser regarding autonomy.
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  It's Exhibit A in every future lawsuit.
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  Exactly. It opens the floodgates.
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  Every time there's a crash, every plaintiff's lawyer just
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  walks into court and says the state of California already
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  determined they lie about this technology.
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  Tesla simply cannot afford that label.
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  So even though they satisfied the DMV's immediate demand to
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  change the website to avoid a suspension, they have to scrub
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  that false advertiser Scarlet Letter off their record.
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  It is entirely about risk containment.
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  Which brings us to the why now of it all.
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  Because it is 2026, we are looking at a very different
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  Tesla than the one in 2018. Very different, and this is
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  where their broader business strategy comes into play.
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  Because EV sales actually declined last year.
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  Right. The market for standard electric
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  vehicles has saturated. Competition is fierce.
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  Everyone makes a good EV now. So Tesla has signalled very
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  clearly that their future isn't just selling standard cars to
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  human drivers anymore. It is robotaxis.
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  They are currently testing automated vehicles in Austin,
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  TX. And they just announced the
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  start of production for the Cyber Cab.
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  Right. And for you listening who
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  haven't seen the design of the Cyber Cab, it is A2 seater
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  vehicle with absolutely no steering wheel and no pedals.
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  None. It is designed entirely around
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  the premise that the computer does 100% of the driving 100% of
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  the. Time.
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  OK, so connect the dots for me here.
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  How does this lawsuit against the DMV relate to the launch of
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  the Cyber Cab? It comes down to trust.
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  If you are trying to convince regulators to let you put a car
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  on public roads without a steering wheel, and you were
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  trying to convince the public to actually get inside that car,
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  you cannot have a regulatory record that says you've falsely
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  advertised self driving capabilities.
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  Because if you lied about full self driving back when there was
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  a steering wheel, why should anyone trust you when you say it
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  works now that you've literally taken the wheel away?
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  Exactly. The stakes are existential for
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  them now. In the past, if Autopilot
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  failed, the human driver could grab the wheel that was the fail
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  safe. With a cyber cab there is no
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  fail safe. The system is the driver.
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  So the definition of full self driving stops being a marketing
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  term and becomes the literal legal definition of the product.
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  They need a totally clean slate before the cyber cab hits the
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  streets and volume. They need a clean bill of health
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  from regulators. They need the narrative to be.
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  We have always been clear, the technology has been steadily
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  progressing and now it is fully ready.
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  They cannot afford the narrative to be we over promised for a
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  decade and now we want your blind faith.
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  Which makes sense. There was a clip from Nancy
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  Tangler. She's an investor in one of our
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  sources, and she was calling Tesla a generational
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  opportunity, yes, but that opportunity seems entirely
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  contingent on this pivot to robotax is actually working.
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  It is. The massive valuation of the
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  company isn't based on selling a few more Model YS.
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  It is based on the idea that Tesla will solve autonomy and
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  dominate the robotaxi market globally.
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  Nancy Tangler is absolutely right that if they pull it off
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  its massive, but the IF is doing a lot of heavy lifting.
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  And that if gets very shaky if the courts decide you've been
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  lying about your progress the whole time.
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  Correct, and other regulators are watching.
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  If California sticks to this false advertising ruling, other
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  states might just follow their lead.
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  It makes getting permits for the cyber cab much harder
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  everywhere. There is one other legal
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  headache we should touch on because it ties directly into
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  this DMV situation, the class action lawsuit.
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  Right, the one currently winding through the California courts.
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  Yeah. And this isn't the state suing,
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  this is actual customers. Customers who bought FSD years
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  ago, some of them paid 10 or $12,000 upfront.
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  Expecting their cars would be revenue generating ROBER taxes
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  by now. Because that was the pitch Musk
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  promised for years, that the car you bought today would
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  appreciate in value because it would go earn money for you as a
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  Rover taxi while you slept. Which has not happened.
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  Has not happened. So those customers formed a
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  class action and are saying I paid for a feature that doesn't
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  exist. I want my money back.
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  And if the DMV rulings stands. It is basically a signed
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  confession for the class action lawsuit.
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  The consumers can just point to it and say, look, the state
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  regulator already investigated and found that Tesla falsely
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  advertised this feature, therefore give us our refunds.
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  That could be billions of dollars in refunds.
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  Easily, the financial hit would be massive, but again, the
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  reputational hit of losing a massive false advertising class
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  action right as you launch the cyber cab might be even worse.
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  It really feels like they are fighting a war on 2 fronts here.
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  They have the legacy business, the cars with steering wheels
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  where they need to justify the past marketing, and then they
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  have the future business, the cyber cab, where they need to
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  build absolute trust. And they are trying to use this
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  lawsuit against the DMV to bridge that exact gap.
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  They want to get a judge to agree that they were never
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  deceptive, that the technology was always meant to be
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  supervised, and that they were clear about that.
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  If they win, it weakens the class action and clears the
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  regulatory pass for the cyber cap.
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  So to sum this all up, Tesla has technically satisfied the DMV by
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  adding the word supervised to their labels, but they are suing
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  anyway to scrub the false advertiser brand from their
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  record. They claim their warnings were
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  always perfectly clear, despite years of marketing that
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  suggested otherwise. The pivotal question isn't just
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  about a name change or updating a manual, It is about whether a
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  company can claim a system is full self driving while legally
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  arguing that no reasonable person to trust it to drive
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  itself as the cyber cab with no steering wheel rolls off the
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  line. In Texas, that definition is no
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  longer just semantics, it is literally the entire business.