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BUSTED! FEDS INDICT MYRTLE BEACH PASTOR JOHN PAUL MILLER AFTER SWAMP-DEATH OF WIFE MICA, CYBER STALKED · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy.
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Speaker 2: Grace busted the Feds finally and died a Myrtle Beach
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Speaker 2: pastor preacher John Paul Miller after the swamp death shooting
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Speaker 2: of his wife, Micah Miller.
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 3: That is put my family to know where to find me.
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Speaker 2: Micah now did by gunshot wound? Her body found submerged
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Speaker 2: in a body of water.
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Speaker 4: I even tried to raise her from the dead.
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Speaker 2: Did he just say he tried to raise her from
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Speaker 2: the dead and he laid by her body four times?
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Speaker 5: Was she convinced by someone to kill herself? A possibility?
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Speaker 2: In the last hours, the Feds do what state authorities
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Speaker 2: would not do. They bring down the hammer on the
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Speaker 2: so called pastor John Paul Miller, after the shocking death
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Speaker 2: of his young wife who he allegedly harassed straight into
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Speaker 2: a gun shop. But first, before I get into those charges,
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Speaker 2: thank you Feds. Let's take a listen to the now
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Speaker 2: federal descendant, John Paul Miller at his finest.
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Speaker 4: I got this late next to her body, and it's
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Speaker 4: been down with her body about four times this week,
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Speaker 4: and each time it still didn't hit me. I thought
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Speaker 4: she was going to wake up. You know. I even
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Speaker 4: tried to raise her from the dead one time this week.
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Speaker 4: And she was so creative. Everything she did was so creative.
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Speaker 1: What's the next picture?
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Speaker 6: You know?
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Speaker 4: I've been, I've been. I've been speaking for many years.
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Speaker 4: And for the first time, I don't really know exactly
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Speaker 4: you know, how to open or how to cooks or
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Speaker 4: aneath that.
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to play that again. That is from
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Speaker 2: Solid Rock Ministries. Does he actually think I'm buying this?
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Speaker 2: There were no tears and definitely no snot. I need
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Speaker 2: to see that one more time.
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Speaker 4: I can't wait to see her again one day. Oh,
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Speaker 4: I'm good, I'm good, And that's nothing. She was so creative.
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Speaker 4: She it was just always just coming out of her.
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Speaker 1: So many things just jump out at me. Again.
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Speaker 2: That is from Solid Rock Ministries for those of you
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Speaker 2: just joining us. The pastor John Paul Miller finally facing
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Speaker 2: federal charges in connection to his wife Micah Miller.
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Speaker 1: First of all, he says.
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Speaker 2: Oh, after all these years you know speaking, He suggests
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Speaker 2: that he is short of words, he doesn't know what
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Speaker 2: to say, but yet he keeps talking.
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Speaker 1: He says he doesn't like pain. We'll get ready for
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Speaker 1: a boatload of it.
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Speaker 2: John Paul Miller joining me and All Star Panel to
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Speaker 2: make sense of what we are learning. Straight out to
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Speaker 2: Alexis Tereschuk, Crime Stories Investigative Reporter Alexis, the Feds finally
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Speaker 2: bring down the hammer. This after hundreds and hundreds of
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Speaker 2: online protests appealing to l E Law enforcement to bring charges.
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Speaker 2: What are the charges, Alexis Tereschuk.
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Speaker 7: He has been charged with cyberstalking, and I'm going to
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Speaker 7: read exactly the indictment that he John Paul Miller sent
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Speaker 7: or caused to be sent unwanted and harassing electronic communications
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Speaker 7: to her, used or threatened to use nude videos and
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Speaker 7: photographs of her, hosted a nude photo of her online
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Speaker 7: without her consent, placed or caused to be placed a
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Speaker 7: tracking device on her vehicle with the intent to harass
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Speaker 7: and surveil her. And he intervieered with her finances, banking,
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Speaker 7: and interfered with her daily activities.
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Speaker 8: He also made a false statement to law enforcement.
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Speaker 7: They said he did knowingly and willfully make a material
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Speaker 7: of false, fictitious, and fraudulent.
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Speaker 8: Statement in representation.
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Speaker 7: In this case, he said that they had been calling
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Speaker 7: each other back and forth. The FED said, nope, you
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Speaker 7: called her more than fifty times in one day, harassing her.
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Speaker 7: He said, I never damaged her car tires. They said,
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Speaker 7: you actually bought a tool to deflate car tires, and
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Speaker 7: this fact you cause these tires on.
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Speaker 8: Her car to be deflated.
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Speaker 1: That's a lot from the fads, guys.
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Speaker 2: Finally, what many people, what many justice champions have longed
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Speaker 2: for since Micah's body was found at the Lumber River
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Speaker 2: State Park, the FEDS bring down the hammer and do
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Speaker 2: what state authorities refused to do.
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Speaker 1: Listen.
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Speaker 9: Law enforcement is notified by nine to one one dispatch
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Speaker 9: that Micah Miller is in Lumber River State Park and
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Speaker 9: they begin searching. Michah Miller's phone is pinged at three
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Speaker 9: twenty ps and law enforcement has a drone dispatch to
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Speaker 9: the area to help search. At three forty two, Micah's
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Speaker 9: car is located in the parking lot of the Lumber
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Speaker 9: River State Park. Inside the car, investigators find a nine
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Speaker 9: millimeters six hour hard gun case and receipt showing the
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Speaker 9: location of where the weapon was purchased.
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Speaker 2: Many debute still insists Micah Miller was murdered, but here
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Speaker 2: is hard.
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Speaker 10: Evidence investigators at Lumber River State Park are notified by
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Speaker 10: a kayaker at four twenty three pm that a body
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Speaker 10: is in the river and a black bag with ida
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Speaker 10: money found on the bank of the river is turned
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Speaker 10: over to law enforcement as well. Officers recovered two spend
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Speaker 10: casings and one live round on the bank of the
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Speaker 10: river and there's no sign of a physical struggle. A
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Speaker 10: regional pathologist is called to the scene for assistance. Micah
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Speaker 10: Miller is found submerged in the river beside tree limbs,
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Speaker 10: about one hundred feet from the casings.
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Speaker 2: There is a concerning aspect to the discovery of a
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Speaker 2: nine millimeter sig sour.
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Speaker 1: Dodger Kendel Crowns joining us.
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Speaker 2: He is a renowned chief medical examiner out of Terrent County,
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Speaker 2: That's Fort Worth. Never a lack of business in the
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Speaker 2: morgue there. He is the esteem lecturer at Burnett School
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Speaker 2: of Medicine at TCU, and he is a star of
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Speaker 2: a hit Knee podcast, Mayhem in the Morgue.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: The nine millimeter is removed from the river using a magnet.
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Speaker 2: The serial number on the gun matches the number on
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Speaker 2: the gun case in Micah's car. Is that feasible that
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Speaker 2: she committed suicide and the sig is abandoned in the river, Yes.
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Speaker 5: It is. I mean her body is found in the
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Speaker 5: river as well. So the potential is as she places
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Speaker 5: the gun to the right side of her head, pulls
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Speaker 5: the trigger, and then instantly her body goes limps. She
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Speaker 5: falls into the river while still kind of clutching the
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Speaker 5: gun or holding the gun or the gun itself just
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Speaker 5: falls into the river and slides down in the mud.
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Speaker 5: Her body falls in floats away, gun goes into the
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Speaker 5: river as well. It is consistent with someone shooting themselves
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Speaker 5: in the head and then losing body function, dropping the
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Speaker 5: gun and falling into the waterway.
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Speaker 2: There is also the issue and let me go to
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Speaker 2: Regina Ward. She is the attorney for Michah Miller's sister.
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Speaker 2: She is with her law firm that she founded, the
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Speaker 2: Regina Ward Law Firm, and she has been strangely supporting
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Speaker 2: Micah's family since before Micah was killed.
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Speaker 1: Regina Ward, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Is it true the sig hour was found about five
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Speaker 2: feet underwater, submerged from Micah's body.
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Speaker 11: Well, I can't say for myself if it was true
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Speaker 11: or notough, but that's what was reported. Obviously I wasn't
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Speaker 11: there for that, but I'm I've had several questions about
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Speaker 11: that entire investigation. It was just approached in the wrong
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Speaker 11: manner in my opinion. So as far as whether it
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Speaker 11: was or not. Where the report.
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Speaker 2: Says curious that you would say that, doctor Kendall Crowns,
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Speaker 2: if the sig was found, say twenty or thirty feet away.
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Speaker 1: From the body, would you still think it was suicide.
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Speaker 5: So there's a potential when you shoot yourself in the
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Speaker 5: head further to be actual movement after the wound occurs.
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Speaker 5: It really depends on what is involved in the brain.
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Speaker 5: There's an area of the brain called the motor strip
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Speaker 5: that kind of sits on the side of your head
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Speaker 5: that controls your function of your arms, your limbs, et cetera.
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Speaker 5: If that isn't hit, if you go a little more forward,
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Speaker 5: you hit the frontal loves of your brain, which is
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Speaker 5: more memory, feelings of motions, things of that nature. You
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Speaker 5: are able to still walk after a gunshot wound of
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Speaker 5: the head, albeit not super far.
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Speaker 1: Can do you're in heaven? Do you hear your that
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Speaker 1: after she shows itself in the head.
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Speaker 5: She can still walk, obviously, right, it is potential, Yes, okay.
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Speaker 2: You know when a witness says something crazy on the stand,
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Speaker 2: I have to declare them a hostile witness and I
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Speaker 2: have to cross examine them. And that's what I've got
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Speaker 2: to do now, Doctor Kimdall Crowns. Of course you are
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Speaker 2: the medical doctor. I'm just a JD.
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Speaker 1: You're the MD. But let me go out on a
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Speaker 1: limb here.
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Speaker 2: How many times have you seen a victim shoot themselves
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Speaker 2: in the head and their body is still where the
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Speaker 2: gunshot occurred and they continue to walk.
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Speaker 1: How many cases have you personally dealt with like that?
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Speaker 5: I wouldn't be able to give you an exact percentage.
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Speaker 5: It's a small percentage of cases that I have seen it.
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Speaker 1: I didn't ask for a percentage. I asked you how many.
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Speaker 2: I bet you can count them on one finger.
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Speaker 5: No, I can count it on probably more than ten fingers.
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Speaker 5: In over twenty five years of doing autopsies, I have
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Speaker 5: seen multiple cases of individuals still able to function after
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Speaker 5: shooting themselves in the head. I can't tell you, Bombers.
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Speaker 1: While you said walk, I don't mean function.
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Speaker 2: You said walk, take steps after they shoot themselves in
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Speaker 2: the head.
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Speaker 5: Okay, well I'll rephrase function to walk, but I have
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Speaker 5: seen it, so you go ahead and rephrase it walk
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Speaker 5: after shooting themselves in the head, including with shotguns. It
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Speaker 5: is all placement on where you hit yourself in your brain,
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Speaker 5: and well how much you'll be able to do afterwards,
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Speaker 5: and it is it depends on where she's shot in
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Speaker 5: her brain, how much movement she can have, but placement
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Speaker 5: of gun. If you're going to do theoretical yes, someone
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Speaker 5: can shoot themselves in the head and then walk several feet,
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Speaker 5: maybe even ten yards away from the gun before they
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Speaker 5: collapse or fall into a river and float away.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crowns, Just so you know, you're losing a
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Speaker 2: lot of credibility right now. But I guess you're sticking
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Speaker 2: up from one of your medical examiner friends that.
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Speaker 1: Perform this autopsy. Doctor Kendall Crown's. Uh, the there's a
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Speaker 1: fly in.
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Speaker 5: Sticking up for anybody or I'm just sticking up for science.
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Speaker 1: Do I have to cut your mic?
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Speaker 2: There's a fly in the ointment, and that fly in
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Speaker 2: the ointment of your scenario is she would have had
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Speaker 2: to walk through water after she shoots herself in the head.
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Speaker 2: How many cases have you seen like that? After the
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Speaker 2: person shoots themselves in the head, they walk out in
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Speaker 2: the water.
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Speaker 5: So I'm not sure how she's walking in the water.
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Speaker 5: How she not shooting herself on the river bank and
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Speaker 5: then falling forward into the water, floating away while as
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Speaker 5: the gun floats down underneath her. At that part, I enter, Sam,
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Speaker 5: you know.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Towns, do you have a second career in
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Speaker 2: writing fiction? In the meantime, while I let doctor Kendall
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Speaker 2: Crowns think about what he just said, Regina Ward, the
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Speaker 2: significance of this line of questioning is if the investigation
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Speaker 2: had shown that the weapon, the SIG nine, was substantially
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Speaker 2: far away from her, as if it had been thrown
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Speaker 2: in the river to discard of it after the shooting,
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Speaker 2: that would open up a whole another investigation, wouldn't it,
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Speaker 2: Regina Ward?
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Speaker 1: Absolutely it would.
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Speaker 11: And let me tell you something else that would have
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Speaker 11: opened up a better investigation, in my opinion, is that
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Speaker 11: had the Robinson County authorities who were doing the investigation,
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Speaker 11: had they known about the history of this case and
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Speaker 11: the sheer terror that mister Miller put her through, and
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Speaker 11: the harassment and so forth. Had they known about that
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Speaker 11: history prior to their investigation and to her death, they
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Speaker 11: may have approached it a little differently. I feel like
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Speaker 11: that they approached it with the mindset, Oh, it's, you know,
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Speaker 11: a self taking of a life. Therefore, let's go find
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Speaker 11: the proof to prove that's what happened, as opposed to
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Speaker 11: walking into it staying to themselves. This may not be
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Speaker 11: what it appears, so let's look closer for evidence that
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Speaker 11: may prove that it was not a self taking of
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Speaker 11: the life.
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Speaker 2: We do, however, and let's see it control room. We
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Speaker 2: do have her supporting doctor Kendall Crown's assertion in a
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Speaker 2: gun store shortly before purchasing the SIGs hour. That is
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Speaker 2: significant because it can be matched up by serial number.
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Speaker 2: The gun store keeps a log of serial numbers on
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Speaker 2: guns sold.
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Speaker 1: She did buy the weapon, you know.
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Speaker 2: Alexis Tereschuk joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter was outlining
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Speaker 2: the charges in the new federal indictment for those of
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Speaker 2: you just joining us, The Feds bring down the hammer
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Speaker 2: on pastor John Paul Miller in connection with his wife
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Speaker 2: Micah Miller, found dead in a public forest.
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Speaker 1: Listen to this.
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Speaker 10: Just weeks before her death, Micah Miller calls police for
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Speaker 10: help when she finds a tire on her car's flat.
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Speaker 10: Police discover a tire deflator is used on the tire.
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Speaker 10: Micah goes to East Coast Honda and Myrtle Beach, South
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Speaker 10: Carolina to get a new tire, where John Paul Miller
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Speaker 10: shows up. That you get into an argument. Video shows
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Speaker 10: John Paul Miller aggressively walking around Micah threatening to post
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Speaker 10: a picture online while Micah says walk away. A mechanic
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Speaker 10: later shows Micah a GPS tracking device have been placed
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Speaker 10: on her car.
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Speaker 2: A GEO tracking de vice placed on her car. Video
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Speaker 2: has actually caught John Paul Miller aggressively walking around Micah
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Speaker 2: threatening to post a picture online. Alexis Troschuk joining US
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Speaker 2: Crime Stories investigator reporter.
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Speaker 1: What picture would that have been? The one he threatened
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Speaker 1: to post?
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Speaker 7: A topless photo of her so at topless where she
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Speaker 7: doesn't have anything on and exposing her breasts.
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Speaker 1: Joining me now. Chris Melcher.
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Speaker 2: He's a veteran trial lawyer celebrity lawyer partner at Waltser,
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Speaker 2: Melcher and Yoda.
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Speaker 1: He has deep experience.
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Speaker 2: In complex family law litigation at Waltzermelcher dot com. Chris Melcher,
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Speaker 2: this isn't helping anything that is encompassed in this new
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Speaker 2: federal indictment against John Paul Miller. Even if you're married
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Speaker 2: to someone, you can't just post nuty shots of them
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Speaker 2: without their consent.
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Speaker 12: What's going to be difficult is is that the victim
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Speaker 12: of these elects defenses, Micah, can't speak for herself, and
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Speaker 12: that creates a difficulty for the prosecution and an opportunity
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Speaker 12: for the defense to try to explain these things. Because couples,
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Speaker 12: do you know, get into arguments, they'll do things for
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Speaker 12: whatever reasons, and this kind of gives John Paul Miller
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Speaker 12: potentially a free hand in his defense to try and
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Speaker 12: explain away what looks like some very awful facts.
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Speaker 2: Such as posting nudy shots of Micah that he took
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Speaker 2: in private posting them online. Let's just follow your argument through,
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Speaker 2: Chris Milcher, to its logical conclusion. I think what you're
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Speaker 2: saying in regular people talk, not lawyeries, is that Miller
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Speaker 2: could now argue his wife Micah was fine with a
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Speaker 2: nudi shot being posted on social did that was okay?
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Speaker 1: That she was into that?
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Speaker 12: This is kind of the problem is is that he
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Speaker 12: can start making up or manufacturing defenses like that that
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Speaker 12: this was consented to, this was part of their relationship,
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Speaker 12: she was okay with it, it was a joke. Whatever
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Speaker 12: he's going to say. Now, maybe these things don't make
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Speaker 12: sense or they're not credible, but Mike is not there
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Speaker 12: to defend herself. They're not there to say no, I
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Speaker 12: wouldn't have done that. Now, sometimes the circumstances show that
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Speaker 12: no reasonable person would consent to something like that, and
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Speaker 12: it's just a ridiculous defense. But my sense is there's
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Speaker 12: going to be a lot of communications between these parties
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Speaker 12: and he may be able to establish something here, Like
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Speaker 12: with example, for the tracking device, he's had some explanation
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Speaker 12: why he might want it to track her, why he
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Speaker 12: wanted to control her movements, why he wanted to control
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Speaker 12: her spending. He has had some explanations around that.
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Speaker 1: Okay, well, you know what.
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Speaker 2: You reminded me of Chris Melcher in my days as
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Speaker 2: a felony prosecutor when I defend and would say, miss Grace,
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Speaker 2: I want to plead guilty with an explanation.
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Speaker 1: I don't care what his explanation is.
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Speaker 2: Guilty if he put a tracking device on her car,
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Speaker 2: and she did not consent to it. I don't care
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Speaker 2: why he thought he needed to do it doesn't matter.
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Speaker 1: State doesn't have to prove motive, does it.
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Speaker 12: Chris Melter, Well, so there's difference between being a crime
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Speaker 12: and being an act of domestic violence, which is a
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Speaker 12: civil matter. So under South Carolina law and other.
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Speaker 1: States, domestic violence is not a crime.
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Speaker 12: In your world, No, it can be both. It can
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Speaker 12: be an active abuse that justifies a restraining order. It
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Speaker 12: also can form a crime. But with the tracking device,
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Speaker 12: the owner of a vehicle, whether it's you, jointly owned
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Speaker 12: or solely owned. I don't know that how this was titled,
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Speaker 12: has the right to place a tracking device on it,
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Speaker 12: so it's not a crime to do so. But placing
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Speaker 12: a tracking device on her vehicle, even if legal under
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Speaker 12: South Carolina law, without her consent and done for the
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Speaker 12: purpose of tracking her movements for purposes of harassment, would
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Speaker 12: be an act of domestic violence. But what I understand
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Speaker 12: his statements to be is that he was concerned about
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Speaker 12: her conduct and safety and that he wanted to protect
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Speaker 12: her and just like a parent, might you know, put
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Speaker 12: a tracking device on a child or any loved one
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Speaker 12: who maybe has issues. That is a protective measure. So
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Speaker 12: this is what I'm saying. He may very well claim.
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Speaker 2: Oh okay, Chris Melcher, Now I know why you win
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Speaker 2: so many cases.
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Speaker 1: You're like a snake churmer. You know, you go.
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Speaker 2: That way and that way with your crazy legal defense,
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Speaker 2: and some people were actually.
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Speaker 4: Going right along with.
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Speaker 2: Author deal Breaker and find her at Dr Bethany Marshall
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Speaker 2: dot com. Did you hear what he just said? Chris
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Speaker 2: Milcher stated that maybe John Paul Miller playsta tracking device
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Speaker 2: on his wife's vehicle out of concern for her safety.
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Speaker 1: I guess she is just another hysterical woman.
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Speaker 13: So did he also slash her tires out of concern
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Speaker 13: for her safety so she couldn't get away? He was
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Speaker 13: afraid she couldn't drive? You know, A better way to
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Speaker 13: protect his wife would have been to cherish her, if
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Speaker 13: be faithful to her, say nice things to her about herself.
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Speaker 13: Not humiliate her by putting a naked photo out online.
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Speaker 13: Nanthy did you hear when she was announcing the congregation
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Speaker 13: that he had visited the quote unquote body several times
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Speaker 13: a week before the body.
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Speaker 1: He called his wife a body.
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Speaker 13: It's like she wasn't even a person to him. She
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Speaker 13: was just an object to control. And what I'm going
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Speaker 13: to guess is that there was a lot of control
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Speaker 13: in that marriage, that he dominated her. And as she
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Speaker 13: became increasingly independent, which domestic victims sometimes they do get
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Speaker 13: their safety, he was escalating, escalating, and it just got
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Speaker 13: worse and worse. If he was afraid for her safety,
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Speaker 13: take her to a doctor's visit and get her evaluated,
21:21
Speaker 13: don't splash her tires.
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Speaker 14: And even an earthly spouse who's a good spouse, when
21:28
Speaker 14: they know that their bride is being hurt, Just imagine
21:33
Speaker 14: what an earthly spouse does. What do you think your
21:37
Speaker 14: heavenly spouse does when you're the bride of Christ and
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Speaker 14: he sees his bride going through abuse and hurt?
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Speaker 1: What do you think he thinks about that?
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Speaker 8: Now?
21:48
Speaker 2: On one, what's the address of your emergency?
21:51
Speaker 8: Hi?
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Speaker 3: Are you able to trace the location on my phone?
21:56
Speaker 3: You don't know where you're at a national park.
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Speaker 10: Where's the park located at.
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Speaker 3: In Bear Bluff? I have my location on I think
22:08
Speaker 3: on my phone and my phone is on. Just did
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Speaker 3: my siller my locations?
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Speaker 1: Tell me what's happened.
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Speaker 3: I'm about to kill myself and I just want my
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Speaker 3: family to know where to find me.
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Speaker 13: Okay, ma'am, just let someone I'm saying, okay.
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Speaker 6: Let me make sure I got the exact location where
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Speaker 6: you're at.
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Speaker 1: Okay, just one minute you are hearing.
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Speaker 2: The nine on one call that Micameller ostensibly made just
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Speaker 2: before she was killed. When a medical examiner makes a
22:48
Speaker 2: ruling of suicide, homicide, accident, natural causes, they look not
22:55
Speaker 2: just at the body, but they also look at extrinsic circumstances,
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Speaker 2: as doctor Kendall Crown's many many times. Would that nine
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Speaker 2: one one call be one of the extrinsic circumstances that
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Speaker 2: you look at to determine cood cause of death? I
23:10
Speaker 2: mean she's on nine one one claiming I'm about to
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Speaker 2: kill myself.
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Speaker 5: Yes, I mean that would play into the determination of
23:18
Speaker 5: manner of death, as well as purchasing the gun that day,
23:22
Speaker 5: having the receipt of the scene as well as the
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Speaker 5: autopsy findings of a contact range gunshot wounded the head
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Speaker 5: with a muzzle impression which shows that the gun is
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Speaker 5: held tightly against the head. All those together really point
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Speaker 5: towards suicide.
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Speaker 1: I want to go to a special guest joining us, Christianna.
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Speaker 2: She has detailed for us that the pastor John Paul
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Speaker 2: Miller begged her for nude shots.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Christianna, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Are you surprised that the Feds have finally brought down
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Speaker 2: the hammer on John Paul Miller.
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Speaker 1: He is charged with multiple crimes.
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Speaker 6: I'm not prie at all. I'm glad to see and
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Speaker 6: finally sticking in with.
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Speaker 2: Something, Christiana detail for us your experience with John Paul Miller.
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Speaker 6: He came into a restaurant where I was working, and
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Speaker 6: he basically he tried to hit on me, and he
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Speaker 6: asked me for nudes and he was very persistent and
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Speaker 6: very inappropriate.
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Speaker 1: When was this, Christiana?
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Speaker 6: This was in February of last year, before what happened
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Speaker 6: to Micah in May.
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Speaker 2: Okay, hold on, let me understand this guys joining me
24:44
Speaker 2: is Christiana and this is not for business history. As
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Speaker 2: far as I can tell, Christiana described this incident for
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Speaker 2: us at the time, contemporaneously, around the time that it happened.
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Speaker 2: She's not coming out of the woodwork now that these
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Speaker 2: federal charges have come down. She's this is a story
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Speaker 2: that she has told her story from the beginning and
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Speaker 2: it has not changed, which is something you look at
25:11
Speaker 2: when you determine truthfulness or veracity of a witness.
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Speaker 1: Has their story changed?
25:15
Speaker 2: Did they wait a long period of time to come
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Speaker 2: out with their story, Do they have an ulterior motive?
25:21
Speaker 2: Are they making money off of it? Are they benefiting
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Speaker 2: somehow by telling this story. This woman won't even give
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Speaker 2: her a last name publicly because she doesn't want the
25:30
Speaker 2: backlash from John Paul Miller's supporters. You stated that you
25:35
Speaker 2: were working at a restaurant and he came up to
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Speaker 2: you and started flirting with you.
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Speaker 1: What did he say?
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Speaker 2: And reminder everyone, this is feb twenty twenty four. He's
25:45
Speaker 2: married to Micah Miller at this time. The date of
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Speaker 2: her death is April twenty seventh, the end of April
25:52
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, February March April, three months before she's
25:58
Speaker 2: found dead hitting on Christiana and open at a restaurant.
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Speaker 2: Exactly what happened, Christiana.
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Speaker 6: He was I was working at the restaurant and he
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Speaker 6: was at one of my tables. He left his phone
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Speaker 6: number on his receipt, and he didn't say anything initially,
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Speaker 6: he just left his number. But once I was in
26:20
Speaker 6: contact with him, he started right off the bat talking
26:25
Speaker 6: about how he was going through a divorce, accusing his
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Speaker 6: ex wife of being crazy and bipolar, and said she'd
26:32
Speaker 6: been in and out of the mental institution. And he
26:37
Speaker 6: pretty almost instantly started asking me for nudes.
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Speaker 2: Let's see those techs again. Please, there is a smiley
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Speaker 2: face and phone number. I need a bikini pick of you, Eloill.
26:51
Speaker 2: I don't know if I really have any. I think
26:53
Speaker 2: most of the time when I'm in a swimsuit, I'm
26:55
Speaker 2: also in a mermaid tail. Then he says, okay, no bikini.
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Speaker 2: Do you have them with just the mermaid tell in
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Speaker 2: other words, nude?
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Speaker 1: She says, no, I don't think so, Actually give me something.
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Speaker 2: I'm still trying to send you pics like you wanted
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Speaker 2: a gentitle picture from him. Hey, what are you doing,
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Speaker 2: I'm working, hint, go away, send me a pick, Send
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Speaker 2: me a pick, okay, you know to doctor Bethany Marshall,
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Speaker 2: joining us. Could you explain the phenomena of guys who
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Speaker 2: they get sexual pleasure out of just obtaining nude photos
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Speaker 2: from women they don't really even know.
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Speaker 1: They're after everybody they meet to get nudes. What is that?
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Speaker 6: Okay?
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Speaker 13: What I'm hearing in this story is that the minute
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Speaker 13: you met her, which was working at the restaurant, he
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Speaker 13: started to dominate her, asking for photos, giving his numbers,
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Speaker 13: saying he wants to send pictures. He's not just gonna
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Speaker 13: use those pictures for sexual gratification, Nancy. Once he has
28:02
Speaker 13: those photos, he has ultimate power over her. Remember what
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Speaker 13: he did to Micah He released her photo online. So
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Speaker 13: this is a guy who comes out of the gate
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Speaker 13: looking like he wants sex, but he really wants power,
28:16
Speaker 13: and he's exploiting the woman's sexuality in order to get it.
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Speaker 2: Christiana, did you ever send an aide photo? I did not,
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Speaker 2: but yet he was not dissuaded.
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Speaker 1: Correct.
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Speaker 6: Correct, He was very persistent, and I tried to play
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Speaker 6: it off as oh, I don't have any pictures, but
28:41
Speaker 6: I tried to I was trying to dodge it, and
28:45
Speaker 6: I got the screenshots of him behaving that way, but
28:51
Speaker 6: I wasn't going to send him anything like that, and
28:54
Speaker 6: I guess he you know, I got the screenshots that
28:56
Speaker 6: I needed to show how he was behaving, and I
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Speaker 6: guess he lost interest because he wasn't getting the photos
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Speaker 6: that he wanted.
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Speaker 1: Doesn't seem like he lost interest very quickly.
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Speaker 2: Okay, no bikini in other words, nude, Doctor Bethany Marshall,
29:11
Speaker 2: there's another aspect to this. Okay, there's a whole voyeurism thing,
29:16
Speaker 2: which you need to explain. You're the psychoanalyst, but also
29:20
Speaker 2: doctor Bethany, the constant badgering. That's something different. It's not
29:24
Speaker 2: just John Paul Miller sitting all alone in the bathroom,
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Speaker 2: and I want to expound on that looking at her
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Speaker 2: nude photos. But there's the badgering aspect. She said no,
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Speaker 2: she's not sending them, She's lol, go away.
29:41
Speaker 1: But he doesn't get it. He keeps badgering her.
29:44
Speaker 2: He won't quit.
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Speaker 13: Nancy. He's trying to break her down. He lost interest
29:50
Speaker 13: because he couldn't have power over her. That's what happened
29:53
Speaker 13: when she set her boundaries. He eventually slunk away. The
29:57
Speaker 13: reason he wanted those photos not only to degrade milliate
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Speaker 13: expose her, have power over her, but if you're masturbating
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Speaker 13: to a photo, which is likely what you wanted those
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Speaker 13: photos for. You are having a sexual experience with a
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Speaker 13: piece of pain.
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Speaker 1: Wait wait, I'm not following your train of thought.
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Speaker 2: You've got Mica Miller in the next room, in the bedroom,
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Speaker 2: but you're saying he.
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Speaker 1: If the hypothetical per man.
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Speaker 2: Is masturbating to a photo he's just gotten off of
30:34
Speaker 2: a waitress at a restaurant that he's just met, why
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Speaker 2: would he want that instead of going to be with
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Speaker 2: his wife.
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Speaker 13: Because when you relate to your wife, you have to
30:44
Speaker 13: acknowledge that she's a full person with feelings, with thoughts, emotions.
30:49
Speaker 13: Maybe a person who might say no sometimes, maybe a
30:52
Speaker 13: person who wants to spend her own money. Maybe a
30:54
Speaker 13: person who has friends wants to take a trip. Somebody
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Speaker 13: like this pastor can only relate to others on the
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Speaker 13: basis of power and control. He does not relate to
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Speaker 13: people for who they are, as though their own individuals,
31:08
Speaker 13: And that's how we get perversions. Nancy like voyeurism is
31:12
Speaker 13: that the person can only get that sexual arousal by
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Speaker 13: a picture of a person or an idea of a person,
31:19
Speaker 13: But they can't sit down at dinner with that person
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Speaker 13: and have a full conversation with them. They can't have
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Speaker 13: a sexual interaction, and maybe they want to give the
31:28
Speaker 13: other person an orgasm or want to please them or
31:31
Speaker 13: relate to them as their own person. So that's why
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Speaker 13: he's procuring pictures. And I think that's why Micah God
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Speaker 13: rest her soul probably eventually took her life because she
31:42
Speaker 13: was not a person to him anymore. She was just
31:45
Speaker 13: an object like he was trying to turn the waitress
31:48
Speaker 13: into an object, and he broke her down, broke her down,
31:51
Speaker 13: broke her down until eventually she imagined she had no
31:54
Speaker 13: life and no future. And Nancy, that's where he was
31:57
Speaker 13: going with this waitress. If she had said yes, what
32:01
Speaker 13: could have happened to her? He could have stalked her too,
32:03
Speaker 13: he could have broken her down, he could have alienated
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Speaker 13: her from other people, all the signs of abuse that
32:08
Speaker 13: we know about. But thank god, she had the preservation
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Speaker 13: of mind to say no, and she's stuck to it now.
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Speaker 1: Everyone.
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Speaker 2: John Paul Miller insists he's innocent and has nothing to
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Speaker 2: do with what happened to his wife. In fact, he
32:22
Speaker 2: is remarried. He is innocent until proven guilty. He got
32:27
Speaker 2: another woman to marry him. Dave Mac joining US Crime
32:31
Speaker 2: Story's investigative reporter, along with Alexis Tereschuk joining US out
32:35
Speaker 2: of LA tonight. Didn't John Paul Miller apologize for sending these?
32:42
Speaker 2: I mean, if he's apologizing, doesn't that mean if he's
32:46
Speaker 2: apologizing for doing it, doesn't that mean he did it?
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Speaker 15: He apologized to Micah or posting photos of her on
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Speaker 15: that Facebook page.
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Speaker 2: Dave Mac, that is new information. It's critical for Chris
32:58
Speaker 2: Melcher's theory. Are you telling me that John Paul Miller
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Speaker 2: the pastor apologizes to Micah. Do we have proof he
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Speaker 2: apologizes for posting the nude photos?
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Speaker 15: Yeah, they actually uncovered the text message he center where
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Speaker 15: he said that he was evil for doing it.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Chris Melcher, Bye bye to one of your defenses.
33:33
Speaker 2: It's not gonna happen, Chris Melcher, because one of your defenses,
33:37
Speaker 2: and I'm sure you're.
33:37
Speaker 1: Gonna pull another one out of your hat like a rabbit.
33:40
Speaker 1: One of your defenses was, hey, maybe this was consensual.
33:43
Speaker 2: We don't know that, and she's dead and she can't
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Speaker 2: deny it.
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Speaker 12: That's right, Nancy. If that text message is introduced into
33:54
Speaker 12: evidence before a jury that would establish that he sent
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Speaker 12: the message, so there would be no question. And if
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Speaker 12: he admitted, if he apologized for sending it, that means
34:04
Speaker 12: he sent it, so they get that element of it.
34:07
Speaker 12: And then secondly that he's acknowledging that it's wrong. He
34:10
Speaker 12: says it was evil, so he would that it would
34:13
Speaker 12: be basically game over on that one element. But I
34:18
Speaker 12: still do see some potential defenses on the other things
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Speaker 12: that he's accused of.
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Speaker 16: A pray that prey through would happen today, A prey miracle,
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Speaker 16: sovery your life in Jesus Name, in Jesus' name, A
34:41
Speaker 16: pray for your healing circumstances would change. I pray that
34:48
Speaker 16: the fear inside would flee in Jesus name. A pray
34:56
Speaker 16: that prey through would happen today, A pre miracle, so
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Speaker 16: very Jesus name in Jesus' name.
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Speaker 4: Imagine being married to that. It was like that in
35:24
Speaker 4: our house all the time.
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Speaker 2: And that hysterical laughing, it's almost maniacal.
35:31
Speaker 1: In the last.
35:31
Speaker 2: Hours, we are bringing you the indictment of John Paul Miller,
35:37
Speaker 2: the pastor out of South Carolina. The grand jury has
35:41
Speaker 2: met and has charged him with multiple counts in a
35:45
Speaker 2: nutshell of alexis trustshut.
35:47
Speaker 1: What are the charges.
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Speaker 7: There's a false statement which he made when he was
35:52
Speaker 7: lying to the police officers about whether or not he
35:55
Speaker 7: had contacted her over fifty times in one day, multiple times,
35:58
Speaker 7: and then cyber stocking, where they said that he was
36:01
Speaker 7: intentionally tracking her, that he put a GPS tracker on her,
36:05
Speaker 7: and that he was using the computer in other ways
36:07
Speaker 7: to follow her, and that he said that he did
36:11
Speaker 7: not deflate her tires, but they found that a deflation
36:14
Speaker 7: device was used by him or someone that knows him
36:18
Speaker 7: to deflate her tires. And he is facing quite a
36:22
Speaker 7: few years in prison for this. The federal charges if
36:25
Speaker 7: he has found guilty for cyber stalking, could be five years.
36:29
Speaker 7: It could be between nine and ten years, depending on
36:32
Speaker 7: the charges that the jury decides that he's guilty of.
36:36
Speaker 7: And then with the line to the police, that's also
36:39
Speaker 7: another five years, possibly even eight years that he could
36:42
Speaker 7: receive behind bars. So he could get almost twenty years
36:44
Speaker 7: behind bars, he'd get a huge fine, and he could.
36:48
Speaker 8: Have to be on probation for many years.
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Speaker 2: So we've got count one, which is cyber stalking, and
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Speaker 2: you're telling me he could be sentenced up to ten
36:56
Speaker 2: years on that.
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Speaker 1: Is that correct?
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Speaker 8: Yes, it is absolutely correct.
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Speaker 2: And in count two we've got false statements and that
37:05
Speaker 2: could result in five years behind bars.
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Speaker 1: Correct, Is that right?
37:11
Speaker 8: Yes, so we're looking.
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Speaker 2: At a potential of fifteen years if the charges are
37:16
Speaker 2: run consecutively.
37:18
Speaker 1: Back to Christiana joining.
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Speaker 2: Us, who says she was approached by John Paul Miller
37:23
Speaker 2: who begged for nudes relentlessly. Christiana, when you heard the
37:28
Speaker 2: actual charges against John Paul Miller, who remains innocent tonight
37:34
Speaker 2: as we go to air, he is presumed innocent under
37:37
Speaker 2: the law. He says, he's innocent, and he will be
37:40
Speaker 2: innocent until he has proven guilty in a court of law.
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Speaker 1: Christiana, when you.
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Speaker 2: Heard the actual charges of cyberstalking and lying, did that
37:50
Speaker 2: surprise you?
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Speaker 6: I think a lot of us would like to hear
37:55
Speaker 6: a bit more than that. But in South Carolina it's
38:00
Speaker 6: the precedent for domestic violence. I in my own experience,
38:05
Speaker 6: I was told by a solicitor that you have to
38:08
Speaker 6: be essentially beaten to a bloody pulp to get a
38:12
Speaker 6: domestic violence conviction. So it's not surprising to me that
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Speaker 6: they don't always put the highest charges on these people,
38:24
Speaker 6: and I can't imagine the hopelessness that Micah would have felt,
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Speaker 6: especially with her abuser being in a position of authority.
38:34
Speaker 2: Dave Mac joining us a Crime Story's investigative reporter. What
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Speaker 2: was the reaction from his flock at his church after
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Speaker 2: Micah was found dead?
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Speaker 3: Nancy?
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Speaker 15: It was a divided block, Okay, when his wife is
38:49
Speaker 15: found dead. Half of the church immediately thought something was
38:54
Speaker 15: seriously wrong with this and they demanded justice. As a
38:58
Speaker 15: matter of fact, there were two separate funerals or celebration
39:04
Speaker 15: of life service, whatever you want to call it. One
39:07
Speaker 15: group did it where he was not invited, and then
39:09
Speaker 15: John Paul did it one in his own you know,
39:11
Speaker 15: a solid rock. So yeah, it divided the church immediately.
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Speaker 2: Well, there were many many protests against John Paul Miller
39:20
Speaker 2: at the time. Listen that from the Robbie Harvey on
39:54
Speaker 2: X and Melissa Pfeiffer. Another question, Dave Mac and alexis
39:59
Speaker 2: t restaurant first toy you, Alexis is it true another
40:03
Speaker 2: woman has actually married him?
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Speaker 1: Is this his third wife?
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Speaker 7: Yes, it is true they got married and in fact
40:10
Speaker 7: she had a husband who died tragically in twenty twenty one.
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Speaker 7: He was a quadriplegic and he drowned, so terrible tragedy.
40:19
Speaker 7: And then when she became known publicly that she was
40:23
Speaker 7: with him, with John Paul Miller, people started questioning this
40:27
Speaker 7: man's death and investigating, saying maybe there was something going
40:31
Speaker 7: on that this was but they did rule out that
40:33
Speaker 7: any foul play happened. That he did just tragically drown
40:36
Speaker 7: so neither one of them has his thouse anymore.
40:38
Speaker 8: And they got married.
40:39
Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, so he John Paul Miller marries
40:42
Speaker 2: the woman.
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Speaker 1: Was she a member of his church?
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Speaker 8: Yes, she and her husband were.
40:50
Speaker 2: And the husband is a quadriplegic and he somehow ends
40:52
Speaker 2: up in a pool and drowns. Dave mack were there
40:58
Speaker 2: claims that these two were having an affair before her
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Speaker 2: husband's death.
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Speaker 15: Absolutely. The actual accusation came from JP Miller's first wife,
41:10
Speaker 15: Alice and Williams. She claims that Susie and that Susie
41:16
Speaker 15: Skinner was involved romantically with JP. And by the way,
41:20
Speaker 15: the day that Chris Skinner's wheelchair, you know, if you
41:24
Speaker 15: actually see the video, Nancy, his wheelchair just guns it
41:27
Speaker 15: right towards the pool. This is a pool that he
41:29
Speaker 15: fought over the homeowners association putting in a wheelchair lift
41:33
Speaker 15: so he could actually utilize the pool. And that's the
41:35
Speaker 15: pool he drowns in. And it's really weird how that happened.
41:38
Speaker 15: But when they find his body in the pool, Susie
41:42
Speaker 15: Skinner goes over and tells fire guys, hey man, he
41:45
Speaker 15: has a do not resuscitate order because they pulled him out.
41:48
Speaker 15: He was not dead in the pool. They pulled him
41:50
Speaker 15: out of the water and there the paramedics are like, well,
41:53
Speaker 15: you got to show us the paperwork, and she leaves
41:55
Speaker 15: and doesn't come back in time, and of course they
41:57
Speaker 15: had taken him to the hospital by then. But then
42:00
Speaker 15: she doesn't go to the hospital right away. She actually
42:03
Speaker 15: hangs out and waits for John Paul Miller and his
42:05
Speaker 15: wife Micah and stays with them for a few hours
42:09
Speaker 15: before finally going to the hospital hours later, where she
42:13
Speaker 15: goes and visits her now husband at the hospital. So
42:16
Speaker 15: there's a whole lot more to this story than meets
42:18
Speaker 15: the eye, which is why after Micah Miller's death they
42:21
Speaker 15: did bring this back out and started investigating the death
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Speaker 15: of Chris Skinner.
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Speaker 1: Let's be clear about this.
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Speaker 2: Dave mac John Paul Miller is not accused or suspected
42:31
Speaker 2: in the death of his now wife's dead husband.
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Speaker 1: Is that correct? He's not suspected.
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Speaker 15: Absolutely, No, he's not suspected in any way.
42:39
Speaker 1: And neither is she.
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Speaker 10: Nope, neither is she.
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Speaker 2: Okay, But one of the consequences of his death, in
42:47
Speaker 2: the aftermath of his death in the pool, these two got.
42:50
Speaker 1: Married, right.
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Speaker 10: Absolutely, that's correct, okay, And I.
42:55
Speaker 2: Also want to stress again, John Paul Miller is resumed
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Speaker 2: innocent of any and all charges.
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Speaker 1: Yes, he has just been indicted by.
43:05
Speaker 2: The FEDS two counts cyberstalking and false statement, but he
43:11
Speaker 2: remains innocent until proven guilty. As of tonight, he is innocent.
43:19
Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about this case,
43:23
Speaker 2: please call Robinson County Sheriff's nine one zero six thirty
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Speaker 2: one hundred nine one zero six thirty one hundred. We
43:33
Speaker 2: remember an American hero, Sheriff Alan Weber Gove County Sheriffs, Kansas,
43:38
Speaker 2: killed in the line of duty, leaving behind a wife
43:41
Speaker 2: turned widow and three children.
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Speaker 1: American hero Sheriff Allan
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Speaker 2: Nancy Grace signing off