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MySpace Dates, Subscription Gate & Mormon Fate · Rik and that Michele Chick

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  Welcome to Rick and That Michelle Chick, the weekly
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  podcast where your hosts, Rick and Michelle, confidently dive
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  into topics they know absolutely nothing about and somehow make
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  it sound legit. They're not experts.
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  They're not qualified. Honestly, they barely googled
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  it. So grab a drink, lower your
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  expectations, and let's pretend this counts as content.
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  So buckle up. Facts are optional, but the
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  bullshit? That's premium grade.
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  This is Rick and that Michelle chick.
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  OK, so I wanted to do a really quick update on my knee
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  situation. So as of last week on Wednesday,
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  you know, my doctor was supposed to send that referral over to my
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  knee doctor in Seattle. Well, as of Wednesday they had
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  not received it. So I called her office and the
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  receptionist, he answers and he looks in my chart and he says
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  oh, it looks like she hasn't sent it.
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  Maybe she forgot. And I was like Oh my goodness.
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  So I gave him the two fax numbers and and then on Thursday
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  I called them again the office in Seattle to see if they've
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  received the referral. I just at this point I just want
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  to make sure they're receiving it.
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  No, they had not received it. You figure I talked to her
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  Monday evening. This is Thursday, no referral
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  even after calling her office. But the receptionist, she says,
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  but if you have premium insurance, you don't need a
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  referral. And I guess who has premium
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  insurance. So I don't, I need a referral.
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  Yeah, yeah. So I have an appointment this
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  week. I got a copy of my X-rays of my
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  knee and the report. And so I'm going to hand deliver
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  it. Obviously I have to see the PA
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  first because that's just standard.
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  You don't get to just see the surgeon.
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  And so hopefully fingers crossed, they'll have good news
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  and I won't need a knee replacement.
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  So I'll update you on that next week as far as what they have to
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  say and kind of what what's going to happen to me.
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  And then also over the weekend, we saw the kid that my brother
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  thought was injecting drugs. We saw him, we saw him over the
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  weekend and I could say no track marks on his arms.
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  He was even like, look, mom, I don't know what Uncle Nick saw
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  he's like, but he he was just like, I don't, I don't know.
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  So anyway. What did you what did you say?
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  What last week, what did you say?
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  You thought it was a band. Well, he had, Yeah, he, no, he
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  has a birthmark, like, right, that little crease of your
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  elbow, whatever that's called, you know, wherever you get blood
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  drawn and Ivs and all that. Yeah.
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  And that's where my brother said he he saw tracks, marks, track
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  marks again. He said he wasn't sure, but he
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  just wanted to let me know. So yeah.
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  So yeah, that's no. That's that's crazy though.
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  No track marks so. Immediately, immediately just go
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  to the the worst case scenario. Well, and Jackson said, like,
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  why didn't he just ask me at Easter or say like, hey, did you
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  have an like a injury or, you know, like my brother could have
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  said something that wasn't obvious.
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  Like I grabbed his arm and been like, are those track marks?
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  Oh my gosh. You know you know some.
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  People that might have been a little obvious on Easter Sunday
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  or something. So maybe not, maybe not so much.
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  Right, not the appropriate time to be like are those track marks
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  on your arm? So so can confirm no track Marks
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  and then you had a doctor's appointment.
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  So how was that? How did?
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  That go it went great. So as as so as my wife never
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  gives me a compliment, you probably don't notice.
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  Do I look any different? I can't really tell from.
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  From here so so that there was a spot here.
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  Right. So that's removed.
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  I mean, they're still, they're still healing.
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  Right. If they did they freeze it off
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  or did they scrape? It off, yeah, it's freeze so, So
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  see how there's this one over here.
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  Yeah. That's a little more prominent.
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  They're all scabbed over, right? And so this will drop off a
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  little bit later on. And so this one right here is
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  still healing, but that one it was.
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  Picking it. It was just called a Barnacle.
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  It was called a Barnacle. So you could tell.
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  I mean, you could tell it's, I mean, if you go back and look at
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  our previous videos, you can really see it.
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  Kind of like skin tags. Yeah, so, so, yeah.
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  So going to the skin doctor again, I do have a skin disease.
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  Right. Nothing cancerous is just.
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  That's good. I don't know where it came from.
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  It's it may be hereditary. And I saw the same guy I saw a
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  couple years ago. And so there's these, like you
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  said, there's just these things that just show up.
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  And so I'm going to have to get used to it.
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  The older I get that now it cost me, you know, 125 bucks.
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  Does that mean because insurance doesn't cost?
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  Great. And then, but that's great,
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  yeah. This guy, this guy.
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  And then there's one over here and then one on my back, but
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  there's only four of them. And so to me it was like, oh,
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  and then, and then I do have, I'm kind of developed a little
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  skin tag near my eye. And he's like, oh, if you have a
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  piece of floss, you could probably take that.
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  And I thought, well, I said, well, something because I had
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  been reading up on not anything near your eye.
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  Right. And it goes, Oh no, you'll be
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  fine. So how do you wait?
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  What do you do with floss? How do you do that So?
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  Because if the skin tag has a stye where it's protruding.
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  Right. You think it's topping up?
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  Yeah, it doesn't pop it, but it just you get underneath it and
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  you just something like that. But I'm not there yet on that
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  one that means. Yeah, I don't know if I could do
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  that to myself. I'd be like just, I just take it
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  off. I just tell the skin out, just
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  remove it. I cannot do that to myself.
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  I could do it to someone else, but not myself.
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  Yeah, you could get that done too.
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  But but anyway, so the the concern of of of skin cancer,
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  any of that, it is actually I apparently I have a skin disease
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  and he gave me a pamphlet with all these different growths on
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  your skin and you know, I don't. But, and so there's no concern
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  that these growths could turn cancerous because you know how
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  like some moles or, or like beauty marks could turn
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  cancerous. No.
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  And they, and it's interesting, they, they look like you said,
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  they look like a mole. Right.
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  But they're not. And if they change, then that's
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  concerning. Yeah, but you know.
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  He he double, he double checked me.
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  He says no, they're the same as you had before.
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  I mean, it's like not, not one iota difference.
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  So it's just one of those things to be to be aware of.
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  And I I use my health savings account, which again, I it took
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  me year. So here's the deal.
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  So you're HSA Yeah. So I have an HSA but we.
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  Have an FSA. So there's another one that
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  it's. You'd lose it if you don't spend
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  it. Yeah, that's and.
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  I was like, and I was like hog shit.
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  I am never going to have something to where I lose
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  something that I don't use right now.
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  Everybody now, everybody through the years had said, don't worry,
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  go go get prescriptions, go get da da, da, da.
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  It's like I'm not that I don't manage my health that way.
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  No, you know, because, because I'll be the other.
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  Stuff with it. Yeah, but I'm I'm not waiting
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  till December 31st to spend a couple grand in something.
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  So when the so when the savings account came up around where
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  it's just the the credit card. Yeah.
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  And it never goes away and you can use it no matter what.
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  Yeah. So, yeah, so I'm using and so
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  and so that's the one I'm using which I love because I just I
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  swiped and I went so only cost me a couple 100 bucks to get get
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  checked out and I was I was good with that.
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  So anyway, turned out to be a good check up and the same guy
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  had a couple years ago, his name is Ryan, Doctor Ryan or whatever
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  and really no change in that. So it's just nice to be as I as
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  I asked my wife, do I look? Do I?
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  What did Megan say? You said your wife was.
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  She, well, she never gives me a compliment, so even if I look,
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  even if I look good, she wouldn't say I look good.
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  So she says I look the same as I always look.
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  Of course she would say that. That's all she said.
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  Yeah, you look the same. It's because you look the same.
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  You always do. I mean, someone has to keep your
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  ego in check. It might as well be her.
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  You know, it's like, it's like so so when we get dressed up to
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  go out, I'm like, oh, you look nice.
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  You look nice. But it's not never, never, never
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  reciprocated back. Like, oh, you look, you look
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  good too. No, it's like, yeah, basically
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  you're just lucky to be with me. I guess that's how I look at it.
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  So, yeah, there you go. So yes, I, I mean, I, I am, I'm
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  appreciative. I'm a I'm a lucky man.
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  But but but me me trying to fish for a compliment.
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  I know I love that she hardly never compliments you.
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  It's almost. It's like there's a game now
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  that is fabulous. I love.
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  That never, never, never, as she always says, even when it comes
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  to any do it yourself projects at home.
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  If I fix something, even if I do something, she's like, that's
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  what you're supposed to be doing.
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  So but I do have a good. I do have a good.
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  That's your job. So I do have a quick, really
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  quick story is I. So when it comes to finances, I
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  am the absolute worst person because I think the worst right
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  the minute that something breaks.
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  So let's say the air conditioner breaks down, or the water heater
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  isn't working or whatever happens in the house.
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  I immediately go to DEFCON 5. It's gonna cost $50,000.
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  Where am I gonna give That's money?
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  But that stems. From your childhood, yes.
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  I immediately go into that mode. I become the, I become the
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  crankiest, meanest, jerkiest, you know.
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  And So what happened was, so I think when we got what happened,
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  but we got our kitchen a couple years back and had gotten
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  flooded and so the insurance had covered it.
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  And so it's $30,000. Well, the wall, that's one of
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  the walls that that is did not get fixed, right.
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  Everything else got fixed with this wall next to the water
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  heater. It looked like sawdust was
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  coming out of for for the last couple years.
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  And so it was kind of driving me a little nuts.
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  And so of course, the first thing I think of what when I see
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  sawdust, what do I think? Termites.
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  Oh yeah. I'm like, Oh my God, we've got
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  termites. Right, the House.
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  What else? There's nothing else that does
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  that. There is, there is so so it was
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  funny. So Megan took out.
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  So I was driving me nuts. So Megan took a little photo and
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  put it up through ChatGPT. What did chat and Chad said?
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  No, it's not termites. It could be Carpenter ants, but
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  likely it's just ants. So ants so ants can push out.
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  They don't ruin the wall, but they do push out material.
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  They don't they? So it's not, it's not like the
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  walls weakened or anything. Ant Hill, you know when we see
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  them out. Yeah, they're just making their,
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  Yeah, they're making their place.
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  So. So it's interesting.
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  So and so I think we talked about this on our previous
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  podcast. So I get, I get angry because
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  because I don't want to make a phone call, I always ask my wife
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  to make the phone call. Hey, can you just, I'll pay,
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  I'll pay. But I always ask my wife to make
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  the phone call and guess what she needs to do.
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  She wouldn't do it. She doesn't do it.
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  She doesn't do it when I, when I tell her to, Hey, can you just
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  call the the the pest people and I'll pay for the irrigation
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  people. I'll pay for it.
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  She's like, no, because, because and I and I've talked about this
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  phone phobia that I've got right.
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  Right. It's so funny.
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  So it's like you talk to people on the phone when you're at
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  work. What I well, because they call,
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  I mean, I have to answer the phone.
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  I'm at work and they, they, they call in.
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  But, but I try, you know, it's like I'm, I'm one of those
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  people. You want me to go to the doctor,
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  set up the appointment. I'll go to the appointment you
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  want me to do. Just set up, you know.
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  Even when your friends call you, it takes three times for us to
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  call you before you answer. I've gotten better, but yes, you
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  know what I'm saying? Yes, so, so so anyway, I had
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  gotten so frustrated with this whole this whole situation.
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  So I've got the irrigation people coming next week.
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  I've got the the pest people coming right to take a look at
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  these ants. So anyway, the company, the
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  company shows up, super nice guy.
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  He asked me not to necessary name the company, I think cuz
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  he, you know, he just doesn't want it out.
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  So his name is Joe, super nice guy, he shows up and so I.
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  So I'll lay this out. I called the company and all the
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  company wanted to do was #1 there was an initial inspection
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  and then the next thing they want to do is put you on a
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  Service plan. Right.
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  For the exterminator, yeah. Right.
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  And I go and I go, I don't need that.
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  I just need somebody to come inspect.
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  And if there's ants and I said it's one wall, that's it.
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  And they go well they go it's going to cost $300.00 for us to
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  do 1 inspection. And I said I don't care.
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  I just like, just come over. Ring.
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  So, so this pest company comes over, Joe's super nice guy.
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  He gets out, I'm talking to him and I go.
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  I think I go, I think my wife already has a pest company, but
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  they do the outside and he goes, well, they should be able to do
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  the inside too. Anyway, he walks downstairs to
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  my wall and I go, I think this is where it is.
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  And he looks at it goes, Yep, he goes, you have ants.
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  And he goes and he goes, here's the deal.
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  I'm gonna, I'm gonna spray this for you and I'm not gonna charge
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  you. So Joe sprayed the wall that,
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  you know, and he sprayed around a little bit, but just really,
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  because you could see the rest, there's no ants anywhere else.
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  It's just this wall, right? And then the guy.
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  And then the guy goes, says, hey, man, don't.
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  And he goes and he goes. And he goes.
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  He goes. You're on the radio.
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  You recognized your voice. Right.
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  And I go, I said well, I go, how did you know that he goes?
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  Well, I heard your voicemail when I tried to call you.
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  Because remember, 3 times you can't, you can't, can't get me,
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  but it will go to my voicemail. Anyway.
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  He goes, he goes, I reckon, I mean, I reckon I recognized your
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  voice on the voicemail. So he goes, and this is such a
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  nice guy, he goes. It's ridiculous.
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  They overcharged you. Oh, so it goes, It goes.
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  He goes. So don't mention my company.
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  Don't mention Dada today. I mean it literally.
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  He was here for like 10 minutes. Yeah, it takes them hardly
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  anytime at. All but yeah, but the but the
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  company now I probably will end up getting this company down the
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  road because he's such a nice guy and I'll personally request
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  him, Right. But the company on the phone
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  would not listen to what I mean. It's like Linda, listen, Linda,
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  Linda, and the first thing they want to do is put you on a
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  freaking Service plan. And it's like, that's not the
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  issue. I need somebody to come in and
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  say, Yep, it's ants. First off, Yep, it's ants, not
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  termite. It's not worst case scenario,
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  not Armageddon. Yeah.
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  And and I probably could have exterminated the ants myself.
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  Yes, you could have. I was going to say I We are Ant
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  professionals since we live in the country, so I know
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  everything about ants at this stage of the game, so.
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  But I want to make sure it wasn't termites because termites
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  gave some serious damage to it and it was just this wall and I
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  was like, and because there was water around it, which termites
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  are known to be near water. But so ants.
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  Ants need water too. Ants are too.
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  Ants are too. So that's what it was.
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  But I was of course, worst case scenario, the building's
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  falling, the house is going to collapse and it's going to be
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  $100,000. But anyway, he was super cool,
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  did it for save me 300 bucks. He says, hey, they're going to
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  call you. They're going to ask why you
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  cancelled the call. You just tell him that you have
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  an outside, you have another exterminator company, you didn't
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  know any. And so anyway, super nice guy.
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  And I said, well, I'll remember this and I will definitely, you
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  know, pass the praises on. So anyway, worst case scenario,
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  it actually turned out to be ants.
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  Didn't cost me 0. Nice.
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  So so I'm super happy about it, but I just cannot help but think
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  the worst case scenario when it comes to my house.
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  Do you ever do that? Do you ever?
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  No matter what it is, you're like son of A.
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  Oh yes, when we had our HVAC go out a few years ago, I'm
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  thinking, Oh my gosh, like this is going to cost us like
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  $25,000, you know, because now it's a lot more expensive to
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  replace. It's like your whole HVAC unit.
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  And so luckily it was only like 12 grand, but still that's a lot
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  of money that you're shelling out.
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  And like, like you said, like these companies aren't always
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  truthful with people. And so that's the other thing is
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  so my father in law's, I think it was just this air conditioner
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  that went out in the HVAC unit and he had somebody come out and
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  they told him that he needed to replace the whole unit.
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  And my husband looked at it and figured out that it's only like
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  one part and the one part was like $400.00.
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  And my husband ordered it and then fixed it for them.
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  So that just makes you believe that yes, they're all just out
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  there to scam you and make as much money as possible.
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  Because we don't, none of us, we're not proficient in all
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  these different things like, you know, the HVAC unit or whatever.
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  What we, we're not knowledgeable in everything.
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  So we don't know when they're telling us the truth or lying to
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  us. We just have to go by what
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  they're telling us. And and they could charge us at
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  however much they want to tell us whatever they want, what
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  whatever they want and get away with it because we don't know.
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  Like how are we supposed to know?
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  It's kind of like, it's kind of like finding a good mechanic
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  back in the day that the goal was always to find a good
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  mechanic. But even let's say it's the
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  dealership, it's like dealerships will can take you
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  for a ride, backyard mechanic can take you for a ride.
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  But then there's also, and I will say this too, there's also
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  very honest. Yes.
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  Dealerships and there's also very honest mechanics, but you
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  have to find them. And that is the struggle.
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  And the struggle is real. And so it's and, and then right
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  now everything, everything's a subscription service.
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  Yeah, yeah, it's, I mean, it's ridiculous on, you know, did you
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  see that McDonald's is even doing a subscription service for
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  meals? No.
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  Yeah, I hope that's not fake, but I think I saw that even
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  McDonald's. Is this in April?
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  No, no, it's a subscription service and they're going to try
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  it to where you get so many meals a month or something.
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  Well, the theater. Hasn't McDonald's in like a
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  month? Yeah, well, somebody who wants
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  to have a heart attack. I mean, maybe the president, but
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  not the rest of us. We don't eat that much
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  McDonald's. So I'm sitting there like really
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  everything, everything has to be a subscription service.
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  And then when you tell them no, you know, I just want, I just
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  want one thing. They're like, oh, well, that's
• 17:59
  going to cost you. What it?
• 18:00
  Well, whatever, just get it, you know?
• 18:01
  Right, It'll cost you more than the subscription.
• 18:04
  Well, it's because they're banking on the fact that you, we
• 18:07
  all get these subscriptions and then we forget about them and we
• 18:11
  just keep paying whatever monthly fee it is for years and
• 18:14
  years and years and they're and not using it and they're just
• 18:18
  raking in this money basically is what's.
• 18:20
  Happening well, it's a revenue source and and you know what?
• 18:22
  And and we we joke about radio, but it's just a bit as bad today
• 18:26
  with the wet belt building the websites.
• 18:28
  Right. You know, that's a monthly,
• 18:30
  that's a monthly thing, building a website and then the different
• 18:32
  things that they do not just from the on air side, but you
• 18:35
  know, it's one of those things. Their goal is their goal is
• 18:38
  their goal is to get you on a subscription service and then,
• 18:40
  you know, yeah. So it's, it's, it's not just,
• 18:43
  you know, in the industries we talked about, it's like, Oh my
• 18:45
  God, every, every, well, Patreon, he's like, you know, I
• 18:49
  now luckily we have 3 listeners. So we're not, we're not at the
• 18:52
  Patreon level here. Guys want.
• 18:55
  To kick in a buck, Want to kick in a buck?
• 18:57
  We'll take a buck, you know. We're not at subscription level
• 19:00
  on anything at this point. I will.
• 19:04
  We have to pay people to listen. You will laugh because I
• 19:09
  remember I was talking about Kate.
• 19:10
  Yeah, Caitlin, she was in the comments.
• 19:12
  Yeah, yeah, I saw that. That that's, that's Kate.
• 19:15
  That's Caitlin from high school. Anyway, So anyway, I thought,
• 19:19
  oh, maybe I need to, maybe I need to take back some of those
• 19:21
  things I said about her Now that yeah, that I, that, you know, on
• 19:24
  the on the last one, I was like, oh, she's.
• 19:27
  I think she was fine. I think she I think she was
• 19:30
  fine. I didn't I don't think I
• 19:31
  revealed anything she didn't already know.
• 19:33
  So right, right. You know, I mean, I mean, I do
• 19:35
  like all of her stuff on Instagram anyway.
• 19:37
  Like, kind of like a lost puppy dog.
• 19:39
  Like I was gonna say, don't get, don't get like stalkerish and go
• 19:42
  back like five years and like everything or something.
• 19:46
  But as I was told it helps the algorithm, so if you have a
• 19:50
  friend. OK, OK.
• 19:53
  Yeah. No, I'm just saying, and it, it,
• 19:55
  it helps the algorithm. So so if anybody wants to
• 19:57
  continue to like this podcast, it, it pushes.
• 20:00
  This is what we've learned about the algorithm is you want people
• 20:04
  to to to like it to. Comment like share it, Yeah,
• 20:08
  sure. Subscribe, please do all those
• 20:10
  things. But I mean, we might as well
• 20:12
  pimp us out now while while we're talking about it.
• 20:15
  Michelle. What?
• 20:17
  You know, between us. Speaking of pimping, what?
• 20:20
  No, I'm saying it's like I I have a sneaky suspension when
• 20:25
  Alexander Skarsgard or something that you like.
• 20:28
  Who? OK, I guess the question is who
• 20:30
  do you follow and do you like their stuff?
• 20:33
  Alexander Skarsgard does not have social media.
• 20:36
  Pedro Pascal does. And I do like all, like his
• 20:39
  stuff periodically, but I'm not like, obsessively liking
• 20:43
  everything. So.
• 20:44
  But I'm also not on social media like a whole bunch.
• 20:47
  A whole bunch because I'm just, I want to live life and not be
• 20:50
  stuck on social media, Yeah. OK.
• 20:53
  So I probably miss a lot of stuff but.
• 20:55
  Well, I and the sad thing is you're not a guy that's.
• 20:58
  Right I Mean Girls are just as bad though.
• 21:01
  I think so yes. And like stalking people.
• 21:04
  We are like who needs who needs a private investigator when you
• 21:07
  could just have a girl like one of your girlfriends if you have
• 21:11
  if you would suspect something about your man or anybody, just
• 21:15
  tell your girlfriend because they will figure shit out.
• 21:19
  You don't need to hire a girl. Yes, but yeah, we usually will
• 21:22
  like take a deep dive if we have like a crush or whatever.
• 21:25
  And just I mean, I've seen my friends go down the rabbit hole
• 21:28
  like so bad that I'm just like, girl, you don't like things from
• 21:31
  like five years ago. What are you doing?
• 21:33
  Like stop doing that. It's crazy stalker yes, like
• 21:40
  yeah, don't do that. You can like like a few things,
• 21:43
  but don't get like overly obsessively liking everything
• 21:48
  you want that I mean, and you want them to think like that.
• 21:51
  You don't like like them, like them that much.
• 21:54
  Like come on, we all know, all of us know this.
• 21:56
  Like this is like dating relationship 101 stuff that we
• 22:01
  all should know. You know it's you.
• 22:03
  Know or is it different now? Or is it OK to just like
• 22:06
  everything? I think, you know, back back
• 22:08
  back when I was single many years ago, long before Megan.
• 22:13
  I think that we'll have to go back to the Myspace, you know,
• 22:16
  Myspace days, but I and and the very beginnings of.
• 22:19
  But you guys meant on tender? Match.com.
• 22:22
  Oh, match. OK.
• 22:23
  I knew it was like one of those. Yeah, OK.
• 22:26
  But that was 2008, end of 2008, 2009.
• 22:30
  So up until that point, I think, yeah.
• 22:32
  What Myspace, Facebook and Myspace?
• 22:34
  Facebook wasn't as big as Myspace.
• 22:35
  Myspace was the big one. So you were.
• 22:38
  So if there was a cute girl or something you were liking their
• 22:40
  stuff, hopefully that that would start a conversation.
• 22:43
  Oh, I see. So, but like you said, then it
• 22:45
  becomes oh, what a creeper. So is that the same now?
• 22:48
  Like you're liking stuff hoping that no starting conversation?
• 22:53
  Is that what people are? Doing No, no, no, I, no, I like
• 22:55
  it because I like it now. But, but I mean, but no, I'm
• 23:00
  saying back in the day, you know, so it was, it was, well, I
• 23:04
  will tell you the biggest lesson I learned and, and it was, it
• 23:07
  was on me, but I was working in Bakersfield, CA and this is
• 23:11
  Myspace and my girlfriend in Bakersfield had just broken up
• 23:16
  with me. And so I was like, I don't know
• 23:19
  if I was devastated, but I was definitely upset about the
• 23:21
  situation. And so I literally went on
• 23:24
  Myspace and this is horrible. This is a horrible story.
• 23:26
  Went on Myspace and went through the radio stations, Myspace,
• 23:30
  friends and there was a girl named Stacy who was in a bikini
• 23:34
  and I went that one and and I reached out to her through
• 23:41
  through Myspace and we went to went to a Keith Urban concert.
• 23:45
  This, this this random girl that you picked on Myspace?
• 23:49
  Total, total random girl. And so anyway, it was funny.
• 23:52
  She was a listener, right? Like.
• 23:54
  She I well, she was a fan of the station.
• 23:56
  She was a fan of the station. She was a fan.
• 23:58
  So she was a listener in. Turn.
• 24:00
  Yeah, I mean, just to summon. We can assume that, right?
• 24:02
  Right. Well anyway, there's a pretty
• 24:04
  funny story about her was I had. I mean, outside of looking good
• 24:09
  in a pair of jeans, I had nothing in common with this
• 24:12
  person. And so we went backstage.
• 24:14
  We met Keith Urban because I was trying to impress her back.
• 24:17
  In the game of. Course, I mean, I'm, hey, I was
• 24:20
  single. I was single.
• 24:21
  So we went. Back to single and heartbroken.
• 24:24
  Yeah, single and heartbroken. I The funny thing about me
• 24:27
  though, you know me well enough to know I generally don't make a
• 24:29
  move on people anyway. No.
• 24:31
  I mean, that's kind of AI mean. It's probably a shocker, but I I
• 24:33
  really don't. And so I wasn't getting any.
• 24:37
  Well, I don't. Vibes from her.
• 24:39
  But I but I also wasn't really putting anything out.
• 24:41
  I just wanted to take a pretty girl.
• 24:44
  Right you just right. You wanted to make your ex
• 24:46
  jealous. Well, no, she wasn't around.
• 24:49
  So it was she never knew about it.
• 24:50
  It was just I just. I just thought maybe you wanted
• 24:53
  her to see like these photos of you and this.
• 24:55
  Cute girl and. We have Keith Urban and Nope.
• 24:59
  Never never put a photo on Mason.
• 25:00
  Myspace didn't do it. Nope, never acknowledged her.
• 25:02
  I just, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know you know how
• 25:05
  you're, I don't know, don't know what you were thinking in those
• 25:07
  situations, but. Well you just want attention
• 25:09
  from someone or you want someone else to make you feel good about
• 25:12
  yourself because you feel shitty basically because someone just
• 25:15
  broke your. Heart Yeah.
• 25:17
  Welcome to being Welcome to the world of being a dude and
• 25:20
  rejected so so we did so we went to Keith Urban anyway, so I so
• 25:26
  anyway, it's so I thought it was odd.
• 25:28
  So she sent me a Christmas card. This girl sent me her name was
• 25:31
  Stacey. She sent me a Christmas card.
• 25:32
  This Christmas card and it was a picture of her.
• 25:36
  I it was a picture of her. OK.
• 25:39
  I just thought that was odd. That's it like and nothing else
• 25:42
  like it didn't say anything. Merry Christmas.
• 25:44
  I think it said Merry Christmas, but I just thought, well, this
• 25:46
  is I mean, I guess I just took her like this is odd.
• 25:49
  Why would I send a picture? And it was a picture of her I
• 25:51
  believe. Was she in a bikini?
• 25:53
  I think she was in a bikini but. I'm sure you would remember she.
• 25:56
  Actually, she was not in a bikini, but she was at the beach
• 25:59
  or something like that. And I thought, well, this is an
• 26:01
  odd Christmas card. I mean, I kind of thought it was
• 26:03
  a little vain. Right.
• 26:05
  Like this is a Christmas card so why is it a picture of you I
• 26:09
  guess? But if she's a single lady, I
• 26:11
  mean, what else is your Christmas card?
• 26:13
  You don't have a family. You don't have a fiance or a
• 26:15
  boyfriend, so yeah, if you're living your best single life,
• 26:19
  why not? I assume she was giving this
• 26:21
  card to everybody, not just not just me.
• 26:23
  Well, yeah, I mean, she's living her best life.
• 26:26
  She was, she was and I, and I want to say at the time she was
• 26:29
  probably 10 years younger than I was.
• 26:31
  So, but it was funny was I ran into other people at the radio
• 26:36
  station not and not, you know, and they go, Oh my, my cousin
• 26:40
  dated her, blah. And I went, oh really?
• 26:41
  And they go, Oh yeah, she's a big slut.
• 26:43
  And I went well, but she didn't put out for me.
• 26:46
  What are you talking about? Nor nor nor made nor made any
• 26:50
  attempt. You know what I'm saying?
• 26:52
  But neither did you so. I did not.
• 26:54
  I did not. I was a complete, I was a
• 26:56
  complete gentleman, but it still made me laugh.
• 26:58
  I really took the Christmas card as a little bit too vain for
• 27:01
  somebody that I wanted to I guess for.
• 27:03
  I mean, I don't think we, I don't necessarily think we had a
• 27:05
  lot in common. Anyway, no, it sounds like you
• 27:08
  did not. We did, yeah.
• 27:09
  But but it was one of those like, I just got hurt.
• 27:13
  And being a typical guy, you reach out to that, to where you
• 27:17
  know, where it didn't matter, you know?
• 27:20
  Yeah, so you just wanted someone to make you feel better about
• 27:23
  yourself? Yes, you know, and there was a
• 27:26
  lot of, it was funny. There was a lot of during that,
• 27:28
  during that little period, there was a lot of misfires because I
• 27:30
  had met people not necessarily on match.com, but but, and, and
• 27:36
  I had a lot of, a lot of just first dates.
• 27:39
  Because the just wasn't there. I don't know what what about
• 27:42
  you, Michelle? When you, when you know back in
• 27:44
  the day when you were dating, it's like I, I always feel like
• 27:47
  within the 1st 10 minutes, I kind of know what's going on.
• 27:50
  Yeah, I feel like you kind of you I, yes, you know, if like
• 27:54
  the chemistry is there or not within, like you said, at least
• 27:58
  like the 1st 20 minutes 15. If the conversation is flowing
• 28:02
  well and you're not having to struggle to think of things that
• 28:06
  to talk about, you know, you're just having a good time in the
• 28:09
  moment, then I think you're like, Oh yeah, obviously the the
• 28:12
  vibe is there, but if it's a struggle, then you're like, oh,
• 28:16
  shit, like this is going to be a long date like.
• 28:18
  What I've had, oh, I've had some of those.
• 28:20
  I've definitely had some of those.
• 28:21
  But, but, but it's what you know.
• 28:23
  And then I've also had, I think like everybody else, I've also
• 28:25
  had those, what do they call it? Miss, Miss ships.
• 28:28
  Ships passing in the night. Right.
• 28:30
  Because, because I because years later you discover like, oh, we
• 28:33
  went on a date, it didn't work out.
• 28:34
  And then they're like, Oh, well, I really wanted it to.
• 28:37
  Not me, not really like to go. Or yeah.
• 28:40
  And I'm like, well, I didn't, I didn't pick that up.
• 28:42
  I didn't get that vibe. I didn't during that during the
• 28:44
  initial first date, I didn't get it.
• 28:46
  I didn't, you know, So so there was a bunch, bunch of those.
• 28:49
  But I always look at it like the best part about life is I
• 28:52
  believe fate. I think there is some force out
• 28:56
  there that it all turns out the way it's supposed to turn out.
• 28:59
  Right. It all shakes out like what is
• 29:01
  what's what's supposed to happen for you?
• 29:03
  But then there are other people that say like you need to take
• 29:06
  fate into your own hands and make your own interesting,
• 29:09
  whatever it is that you need to make for yourself.
• 29:12
  So I. I think fate has decided that me
• 29:15
  never receiving a compliment, never.
• 29:17
  Someone not making my someone, someone not making phone calls
• 29:20
  for me when I asked and begged them to.
• 29:22
  I think, I think that's the universe.
• 29:24
  That's the universe, you know, putting me in my place.
• 29:27
  It is. I love that.
• 29:28
  I love that for you. OK, OK.
• 29:30
  I want to talk about this whole we keep.
• 29:32
  Yes, let's. Do teasing this like.
• 29:34
  Mormon wives, you got to tell me what the fascination with this
• 29:38
  because I guess because I went, I went to college.
• 29:41
  Oh, actually, I worked in Idaho Falls, ID many years ago at Z1
• 29:46
  O3 Southeast Idaho's number one hit music station way back in
• 29:49
  the day. And when I moved to move to
• 29:52
  southern Idaho and this, This includes Boise and Napa and
• 29:56
  Pocatello and Twin Falls and all that.
• 29:58
  It is heavily Mormon. Yes, heavily.
• 30:03
  So Rexburg ID and Blackfoot ID where I was doing radio.
• 30:06
  It was one of those things where it's like, so there was a sense
• 30:09
  of pretentiousness around these towns.
• 30:13
  I know. I don't know.
• 30:14
  You've never been never been Michelle to like Idaho Falls,
• 30:17
  where right in the center of town is the temple.
• 30:20
  And then they've got they've got Gabriel the golden statue right
• 30:24
  at the top. And I always thought I was
• 30:25
  pretentious because at the very bottom here's all the homeless
• 30:27
  people vague rating around the temple, you know, and I'm like,
• 30:31
  well, pretty was like, well, if you are religious, if you're
• 30:34
  Christians or duh, duh. Why are you not helping these
• 30:36
  people? You have this beautiful temple
• 30:39
  that you've built to yourselves or whoever you've taken your
• 30:42
  money, you know, I'm saying, and you spend it like drunken
• 30:45
  sailors. So I was fascinated by that.
• 30:47
  Then, of course, being told, did you ever watch?
• 30:49
  There's they're all over the Internet right now.
• 30:51
  There's these little reels about kids going to BYU, bring them
• 30:55
  down your university, which is very Mormon, and they talk about
• 30:58
  soaking and they talk about all these different.
• 31:00
  Stuff, you know, because you told me the definition of that.
• 31:04
  I think a couple podcasts ago or something.
• 31:07
  I didn't even know it that way. And so in these interviews,
• 31:09
  they're always talking about #1 getting married.
• 31:13
  So the reason why it, you know, BYU is where they, you know, I
• 31:16
  mean, they, they have an interview, 1 gal who said, you
• 31:19
  know, how long did it take your roommate to get engaged?
• 31:21
  06 weeks, I mean. It is crazy.
• 31:23
  But but that's but that's. Part of that's the culture.
• 31:27
  That's the culture. Yep.
• 31:29
  So, so it's so I had that. So I need you to break it down
• 31:32
  for me because to me I have one Viewpoints, you know, they don't
• 31:37
  drink caffeine. There's a huge list.
• 31:40
  Well. My viewpoint is I think I know
• 31:42
  why I'm so drawn to, especially like the Mormons and the FLDS,
• 31:48
  you know, fraction of it or what subset of it, whatever.
• 31:51
  What's the What's? The Warren Jeffs, the FLFLFLDS,
• 31:57
  you know, Warren Jeffs, the one that was in prison.
• 31:59
  They're like the really extreme ones that wear like the dresses
• 32:02
  and the hair and. Oh my gosh.
• 32:04
  OK, so yeah, that's not even, that's not even the regular LDS
• 32:07
  folks. OK, so.
• 32:08
  Correct. OK, so this is a.
• 32:09
  This is an option. Like the extreme, Yeah.
• 32:11
  Are they right? Are they polygamous?
• 32:14
  Yes. And the also wives.
• 32:16
  Yes. And you know, Warren Jeffs, like
• 32:17
  he's in, he was in prison because they were marrying young
• 32:21
  girls. And so is he's in cold?
• 32:22
  Yeah. It's a cold.
• 32:23
  Yes. Yeah.
• 32:24
  So, yeah. So that's like, yeah, that's a
• 32:26
  little offshoot. I don't know what you would call
• 32:28
  it, a Mormonism Anyway, like I'm really drawn to like, those
• 32:32
  documentaries about it and that kind of stuff.
• 32:34
  Well, like, I figure I think I figured out why.
• 32:37
  So a few years ago, my aunt gave my brother and I copies of so
• 32:42
  our granddad's like, World War 2 diary.
• 32:45
  And also, so it would be my great, great, I think, yeah. 2
• 32:50
  greats. Grandma, her diary.
• 32:53
  So her name was Sarah. And I happen to be like flipping
• 32:56
  through this, not thinking really anything like, oh, this
• 32:59
  is just going to be some diary that really isn't that
• 33:02
  interesting. Well, come to find out, Sarah
• 33:05
  and her family, they're in Missouri.
• 33:08
  And they were some of the original disciples of Joseph
• 33:12
  Smith. You know, they were all in
• 33:13
  Missouri. That's where they were.
• 33:16
  And then I don't know if it was the state or who came like,
• 33:19
  knocking on their doors and basically telling them, like,
• 33:22
  you better leave or we're going to kill you is what what was
• 33:25
  happening. And so that's why they all
• 33:27
  packed up and headed West and ended up in Utah.
• 33:30
  So in her diary, she talks about how the wagon was so full she
• 33:35
  had to walk, you know, people that die along the way, some of
• 33:39
  the terrain. And they get to Utah and they're
• 33:43
  there for a couple years in her diary, and then all of a sudden
• 33:48
  they just moved to Medford, OR and then they're no longer
• 33:51
  Mormon. But she doesn't say, like, what
• 33:54
  happened. Why?
• 33:57
  And I never knew, like, our family was Mormon at one point
• 34:01
  in time. So I'm wondering if if something
• 34:06
  happened that maybe like her mom and dad didn't approve of, maybe
• 34:12
  in the Mormon culture, maybe they were going to marry her off
• 34:15
  as like, you know, she was a young girl and that would have
• 34:18
  been the thing back then. So I don't know, like she
• 34:22
  doesn't give a reason why they just all of a sudden moved to
• 34:25
  Oregon and are no longer Mormon. But if they would have stayed
• 34:28
  Mormon, like I would have been like Mormon royalty then in like
• 34:32
  the culture, because my family was like one of the original
• 34:36
  like, like believers and disciples.
• 34:39
  And so we would have been considered like one of the
• 34:42
  families in Mormonism. So that that is that's why I
• 34:46
  think I'm drawn to it. I don't know, like I just, I
• 34:49
  think it's like my great great grandma, like yeah, yeah, like,
• 34:53
  yeah, yeah. I don't know.
• 34:54
  I I just have a fascination with it.
• 34:56
  I don't know if that's why, but. I, I guess I just struggle
• 34:59
  because I struggle. Hey, I, hey, I'm not perfect.
• 35:03
  I'm the, I mean, I'm not perfect.
• 35:04
  I'm the furthest thing from perfect it'll ever be at least.
• 35:07
  But I don't lie about it or I don't act, you know, I'm saying
• 35:09
  I don't put errors on about it. So I struggle so much with
• 35:13
  people who say one thing and do another.
• 35:16
  That is the biggest struggle with me.
• 35:18
  Yes, I I mean, for me it's like, hey, you know, I'm an open book.
• 35:21
  I'm as I'm as hypocritical as they come.
• 35:25
  And I'll admit it. I'll admit it.
• 35:27
  Yeah, I'll change it. I'll change my viewpoint on
• 35:29
  anything at A at a whim. I'm I'm wishy washy.
• 35:33
  I get it. I know my, I know my personality
• 35:35
  well enough to know you know you.
• 35:37
  It's easy to convince me of something if you say that this
• 35:39
  is a better way. And so, so for me, it's like,
• 35:42
  and so I guess I struggle with that and I don't, I don't know.
• 35:47
  I mean, I've known quite a few Mormons but there, but I've
• 35:50
  always felt that there was an aura, aura of arrogance about
• 35:53
  them. Right.
• 35:54
  They are better than everyone else, yeah.
• 35:57
  You know, and so it's so to me, it's like I kind of, I kind of
• 36:00
  struggle with that. Because they're going to, you
• 36:03
  know, heaven, the top tier of heaven, and we are not so.
• 36:06
  Yeah, but, but, and, and when I was younger, so when I was
• 36:09
  younger, I was absolutely fascinated when I was trying to
• 36:12
  find my own way in terms of religion.
• 36:15
  So I had gone to, I had Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, the
• 36:21
  different, the different religions that were around in my
• 36:23
  town of Clarkston. So I spent time with, I have, I
• 36:26
  have friends who are Jehovah Witnesses.
• 36:27
  I have friends who are Mormons. And I would go and I would go to
• 36:31
  their churches and go to the services just to see if I liked
• 36:35
  it or what, you know, what the, what the whole thing was about.
• 36:38
  And so and so it because I am curious, but my, my biggest
• 36:43
  struggle more than anything else is I, I'm a big, hey, I'm not
• 36:46
  saying that you can't fall down and make mistakes because we all
• 36:49
  do. I mean, I'm as guilty as anybody
• 36:51
  in terms of but, but I just don't.
• 36:54
  I don't lie. I don't lie about it.
• 36:56
  I don't, I don't do something horrific on Sunday.
• 36:59
  I don't do something horrific on Saturday night and then Sunday
• 37:01
  morning I'm in church going, you know, right, I'm a virgin.
• 37:05
  Praise be like. Yes, yes, exactly.
• 37:08
  I'm like, no, I don't think so. It's like, no, you're a heathen.
• 37:12
  And so and so I'm, I'm never surprised when stuff like that
• 37:16
  comes out about like, Oh my God, I can't believe that about
• 37:18
  somebody. I'm usually like, you know, you,
• 37:21
  you, you can't just take everybody with face value.
• 37:24
  No, no, just like you can't anything on social media.
• 37:27
  Is it real either like? Right.
• 37:28
  Exactly. If if I go, if I go to Michelle
• 37:31
  Matthews Closet and I creak it Open Creek, there's going to be
• 37:36
  some skeletons that are going to drop out of there.
• 37:38
  Of course, we all have them. And then and then you go over to
• 37:41
  my, my, my, my closet squid. You have a walking closet full
• 37:45
  of them. What are you talking?
• 37:47
  About I'm going to have probably triple to quadruple what
• 37:51
  Michelle has. Dropping out there, walking
• 37:53
  closet walking. Skeleton, you know, but on, but
• 37:59
  on. But I will defend it on multiple
• 38:01
  occasions. I have done the right thing too.
• 38:03
  Yes, yeah, yeah. But on multiple occasions.
• 38:06
  Are you learn? Are you learn from those?
• 38:09
  Yes, skeletons I would like. To I I'm feeling better.
• 38:13
  I'm feeling better about trying to when my when my wife tells me
• 38:17
  to to do something or get something fixed.
• 38:19
  I'm calling, I want to send. I need to get better.
• 38:23
  You need to get better. Is that what you said?
• 38:25
  I I just need. Or you're getting better.
• 38:28
  I'm trying to get better, but but I'm but I'm not angry.
• 38:32
  I'm not angry at her. I'm angry at myself when things
• 38:34
  when things like, like the Ant situation that that had been
• 38:37
  going on for a couple years. Are you angry at yourself
• 38:40
  because you start to spiral about the cost of things or the
• 38:43
  fact that you don't want to make the phone call or all of it?
• 38:46
  All of it. But The thing is, once it's
• 38:49
  done, it's done. Right.
• 38:50
  And you're just. Like so so two years ago.
• 38:53
  So 2 years ago when we started noticing the little sawdust.
• 38:56
  Normal people just pick up the phone and call whoever to come
• 39:00
  fix it. Yeah, for me, it takes me years
• 39:03
  of stubbornness. Can you imagine the termite
• 39:06
  damage that would have done if you would have waited 2 years?
• 39:08
  I would have. Waited.
• 39:09
  Yeah, yeah. Well, look, I mean, I knew it
• 39:11
  was just the one wall or whatever, so.
• 39:13
  But no termites would have spread like crazy.
• 39:16
  So don't wait two years anymore. Yeah, so it's but I, but I'm
• 39:21
  hard headed like that. I'm hard headed like that.
• 39:23
  Yeah. So I don't know.
• 39:24
  I don't, you know, so, so the fascination with the IT, it so
• 39:28
  is it, but it's just because of of your lineage that you're
• 39:31
  thinking. I don't know, that's just like a
• 39:33
  funny like thing that I thought of the other day.
• 39:36
  Like I've always been interested in cults, so OK, like, I don't
• 39:40
  think that's necessarily it, but to discover that I was like,
• 39:44
  holy shit. Like we could have been like top
• 39:46
  tier, like Mormon family. You know, I think I would have
• 39:50
  been married off to some other prominent Mormon families like.
• 39:55
  I think, yeah. I mean, I think it's interesting
• 39:57
  because our buddy Tom Reddick was Mormon.
• 40:01
  And you might not have known that about Tom and Deb, but I
• 40:03
  think they were Mormon and then they had to get married in the
• 40:05
  temple or there's you're not allowed in the temple, this
• 40:08
  person allowed in. I mean all this.
• 40:10
  Hierarchy. I might as well be Scientology
• 40:12
  and all this crap saying. Which I do want to talk about
• 40:16
  Scientology, so yeah, you. Want to talk about Scientology?
• 40:19
  Well, I wanted to ask you if you've seen the tick tock trend
• 40:22
  about them. Since we're talking about cults,
• 40:23
  we might as well roll into this talk about science.
• 40:26
  Oh yeah, so. We might as well cover them all.
• 40:28
  OK, really, really quick. Do you believe Scientology is a
• 40:31
  cult? Yeah.
• 40:33
  Absolutely. So So do you.
• 40:34
  Do you believe Mormons? Are a cult, yes.
• 40:37
  Oh my God. Well, you're, you're a lot
• 40:39
  tougher on, you know. Yes, they are, I think.
• 40:42
  I think there's cult like behavior.
• 40:44
  Yes, so I agree, but they are a cult and to me I feel like, so
• 40:50
  you know, they talk about Joseph Smith and how he looked into the
• 40:53
  hat and saw whatever is I think he was.
• 40:57
  I think he was like legit crazy because back then there was not.
• 41:02
  Yeah, there wasn't like schizophrenic or that wasn't a
• 41:05
  thing back then. And I think he was like legit
• 41:08
  cuckoo for cuckoo and people believed it, yes.
• 41:12
  And now? It's it could have been like
• 41:14
  poisoning. It could have been lithium
• 41:15
  poison, it could have been, it could have been syphilis.
• 41:19
  I mean, you look at all the things that can happen that
• 41:21
  creates illusions or delusions. Yeah, yes, yes.
• 41:24
  So that's what I that's my theory about it.
• 41:27
  But yes, I do think Mormonism is a cult.
• 41:30
  Scientology is a cult. Jehovah's Witnesses are a cult.
• 41:34
  Wow. If you look at the, if you look
• 41:37
  at the byte scale, I mean, we might lose some listeners now
• 41:40
  because here I am like throwing all these cult, all these
• 41:42
  religions under. The bus, yes, I'm sure three of
• 41:45
  them are Jehovah Witnesses that are.
• 41:47
  Yeah, that are really listening to our podcast.
• 41:50
  I think we've already put our religious views out there
• 41:52
  already. Yes, we have anybody that was in
• 41:54
  that, in that they're already gone so.
• 41:56
  You're yeah, yeah, they were gone like the first, first, our
• 41:59
  first episode, our introduction episode.
• 42:02
  So, yeah, Scientology is a cult. But have you seen like, I'm
• 42:06
  sorry, I have like this hair that's like getting in my mouth.
• 42:09
  Have you seen the TikTok trend that's going around?
• 42:14
  It's mainly like younger people. I've seen the video of them.
• 42:18
  They're standing outside a lot of the buildings.
• 42:20
  And this is just various buildings all over America and
• 42:24
  even Canada. There's one video where they're
• 42:27
  all dressed up as minions and they're just like standing
• 42:30
  outside these buildings like Torment the Scientologist.
• 42:35
  And then there's some videos where they're, they're getting
• 42:39
  in the buildings and like running through them for fun,
• 42:43
  which is creating chaos. And then like, so now all these
• 42:48
  Scientology buildings are like locked down the centers, the
• 42:51
  whatever. So people like if you or I were
• 42:55
  like interested in Scientology, we couldn't go in there and be
• 42:58
  like, hey, I'm kind of interested in this and they're
• 43:01
  all being locked down. But I do.
• 43:04
  But please don't run through the buildings because these kids
• 43:07
  will be arrested basically for like breaking and entering.
• 43:11
  So please don't do that. Yeah, please don't do that.
• 43:15
  But somebody was like commenting on social media, like the
• 43:18
  youngsters are taking down Scientology in like a couple
• 43:21
  weeks when you for years people have been like trying to create
• 43:25
  like documentaries and all this stuff.
• 43:27
  And it hasn't worked. So, you know, problems to the
• 43:30
  young people. But I just thought it was funny.
• 43:32
  Yeah. That really that that you know,
• 43:33
  I know. Leah, Leah Remini.
• 43:35
  I. Believe and I've watched all her
• 43:37
  shows on A&E about it. And then, and and then, and then
• 43:40
  you look at Danny Masterson from That 70s Show.
• 43:45
  How? That was the Nexium, wasn't it?
• 43:48
  No, that was, that was Scientology.
• 43:50
  And so the, the 2 girls he raped or suppose allegedly raped were
• 43:55
  all Scientologists. And he did it in the early 2000s
• 43:59
  and they were all part of Scientology.
• 44:01
  And then and then when they broke away the girls, they went,
• 44:05
  wait a minute, we were we were raped by this guy.
• 44:08
  And then and then they tried to cover it up.
• 44:11
  So because they apparently they have their own secret police and
• 44:15
  all these. Weird.
• 44:15
  Like yes. No, it's which?
• 44:17
  Wow, that's what. Yeah, and watching like Leah,
• 44:20
  like Leah Remini stuff like she talks about like being followed
• 44:24
  and how Scientology. And so that was another thing
• 44:27
  that one of the commenters was saying about all these young
• 44:29
  people, especially like the ones running through the building.
• 44:31
  Like Scientology will like they are relentless.
• 44:34
  Like they will stalk you, they will follow you.
• 44:37
  They will whatever it is. So the one comment or he, I
• 44:42
  mean, he was like a cult specialist.
• 44:43
  And so he was just telling them like, please be careful.
• 44:46
  Think about what you're doing, because this is the consequences
• 44:49
  when you're dealing with Scientology.
• 44:51
  Well, and yeah, I mean, and again, they they the center is
• 44:55
  what the big one is in Beverly Hills where Tom Cruise and all
• 44:58
  the and, and their goal is to recruit the very wealthy and.
• 45:02
  So that's why they're keeping them basically, these buildings
• 45:06
  locked down and people can't just like stroll in and learn
• 45:09
  about there's an RL Hubbard or whatever it is.
• 45:12
  And again, like anything, there's all these levels.
• 45:15
  Yeah. And.
• 45:16
  You have to pay all these classes to get to the levels.
• 45:20
  Yes, yes, exactly. It's ridiculous.
• 45:22
  I mean, at the end of the day, it's kind of when you think
• 45:24
  about that kind of stuff, it's just absolutely ridiculous.
• 45:28
  And then I wanna say yeah that they Scientologists do not go to
• 45:32
  heaven. They get reborn on a different
• 45:35
  planet. Is are they the ones with the
• 45:36
  planet? I think yes, I know.
• 45:38
  Yes, I know. It's like, yes, well, I mean
• 45:41
  they're. That's Ronald Hubbard, which is
• 45:43
  a great, you know, you know, Dianetics and stuff like that.
• 45:46
  I mean, I know enough about a little bit of this stuff that,
• 45:48
  you know, I'm definitely no expert in it, but I am familiar
• 45:51
  with some of this stuff that I've read a little bit about it
• 45:54
  because it is, it is absolutely fascinating.
• 45:57
  And, and for me, I've always looked at it like so I had, I
• 46:01
  really, you know, we already talked about in previous
• 46:02
  podcasts, I really struggled. My, my grandma King was a
• 46:05
  wonderful human being. She was on the Wallaces side.
• 46:08
  Normally I don't talk good about the Wallaces, but she was the
• 46:11
  one bright spots in the Wallaces.
• 46:15
  And, and I even talked about her in my in my book, where it's
• 46:19
  like without her, I probably wouldn't, I wouldn't have
• 46:21
  stayed. But anyway, we would go to
• 46:23
  church and we'd be in church and then they would be doing the
• 46:28
  hands in the air. And then, and then my
• 46:30
  grandmother, you know, would speak in tongues.
• 46:32
  And I'm like, OK, I'm out on on that.
• 46:34
  And I thought to myself, as I watch this, when I watch Jimmy
• 46:38
  Swaggart or Joel Osteen or any of these people, it's
• 46:41
  psychology. At the end of the day, you have
• 46:45
  an incredible orator who elicits an emotional response, but they
• 46:50
  they initiate an emotional response from the audience, you
• 46:54
  know? They're playing on emotions.
• 46:57
  All, all of that, all of that. And that's what, and that's
• 47:00
  where cults come from. That's, you know, how you get
• 47:02
  indoctrinated into, you know, we're talking about the Nexium
• 47:04
  thing, all these different things.
• 47:06
  It's like, it's like you have to be emotionally available for
• 47:11
  these things to happen to you. Yeah.
• 47:14
  And then when they have. People are like searching for
• 47:16
  something and always end up absolutely.
• 47:19
  Yeah, and be honest and truthful.
• 47:21
  Aren't we all? Of course.
• 47:24
  Wouldn't you like to know what the end game is at the end?
• 47:29
  You know, sadly, I pretty much think it's going to be dirt, but
• 47:33
  but I mean. Depending on what route you want
• 47:36
  to go. Mine's fire because I'm just
• 47:37
  going to be cremated. Well, I've got I've got meet and
• 47:40
  greet passes backstage down down below.
• 47:45
  Anybody, anybody, whoever tries to to use, you know, use that
• 47:48
  against me. I'm like, oh, don't worry, I got
• 47:49
  meet and greets. I'm good.
• 47:50
  I got VIP status. But but in my heart.
• 47:54
  So as I was watching my, my grandmother do this, you know,
• 47:58
  and as I went to and I went to Northwest Nazarene and I did all
• 48:00
  of this as a kid. I, I mean, we've talked about I
• 48:03
  was a junior Deacon, I was the youth group president.
• 48:06
  I mean, I was heavily. You drank the Kool-aid, Yeah.
• 48:09
  Well, no, no, no, it wasn't even about drinking kool-aid.
• 48:11
  I was just, I was just heavily involved in my church and
• 48:14
  different things like that. But I never here's the here's
• 48:18
  the problem I had. I never had the faith ever.
• 48:22
  And for me, when it comes to hypocrisy, is I really
• 48:27
  rationalize it by one thing and one thing only.
• 48:29
  If someone walked up to me right now, put a gun to my head and
• 48:33
  say you either believe or you don't.
• 48:35
  Your life depends on it. I knew in my hearts of hearts
• 48:39
  what for my what my reality is doesn't mean that's your
• 48:41
  reality, doesn't mean that it's someone else's reality.
• 48:44
  But and if and if someone is willing to die for that, that's
• 48:49
  faith. Right.
• 48:50
  No, that's conviction of the hearts.
• 48:52
  And I knew I couldn't. I can't get there.
• 48:55
  I can sit with a bunch of people.
• 48:57
  I can La La, la, la, la, hands in the air.
• 48:59
  I and I'll be truthful. I feel nothing right.
• 49:03
  But meanwhile around me, obviously the spirit or
• 49:06
  whatever, you know, hey, they're, they're in, they're in
• 49:09
  they they, but. There's a lot of people who say
• 49:12
  that they would take that bullet, but in reality?
• 49:16
  They wouldn't because I think at the at at the end of the day.
• 49:19
  They're just based, but they'll say like, oh, I would take that
• 49:22
  bullet. At the end of the day, I'm a
• 49:23
  coward. At the end of the day, I would,
• 49:25
  I would really, I would readily say I'm a coward.
• 49:27
  I, I'm a coward and, and I can't think of anything unless it's my
• 49:31
  own son or my family, my wife or something.
• 49:34
  You know, that I would be that can that, you know, conviction
• 49:37
  of the heart that I'm willing to give my life for that, for that
• 49:40
  situation. And sadly, even when you watch
• 49:43
  the movie, a movie, you're like, well, they're still going to
• 49:45
  kill those people no matter what.
• 49:48
  Yes. You know, so I need to go and so
• 49:50
  I need to go Rambo on this shit and take everybody out.
• 49:52
  John Wickett because, I mean, it's there is some truth to
• 49:57
  that. Yeah.
• 49:58
  You know, so it's one of those things.
• 50:00
  So for me, I just always have struggled as you try to put that
• 50:03
  all into perspective. I've struggled with with faith
• 50:06
  of the heart. Right, which I love.
• 50:09
  Have you watched The Righteous Gemstones?
• 50:11
  No, on HBO. Oh my God, you have to watch it.
• 50:14
  It's fabulous. So.
• 50:16
  I'll put it on my, I'll put it on my watch list.
• 50:18
  So and that, and that's in a nutshell.
• 50:20
  And so I always talk a lot about it.
• 50:21
  It's like, I'm, you know, why, why am I agnostic?
• 50:23
  Because I don't disbelief, you know, I mean, I, I don't have
• 50:27
  hard evidence that there isn't. Exactly.
• 50:29
  But I don't also have evidence that there is great.
• 50:32
  And so and so, yes, if that if that sky opened up right now and
• 50:37
  you know, now there are things that my wonderful foster mom
• 50:39
  made me aware of is I don't I don't blasphemy the Lord, right?
• 50:43
  I mean, I don't do those things because I don't disrespect other
• 50:46
  religions. I don't disrespect people who
• 50:48
  are religious because that's just wrong.
• 50:50
  If you're a good person, you don't do that.
• 50:52
  Great. Everybody has their own rights
• 50:54
  to believe their own thing. Exactly.
• 50:56
  Exactly. But when you.
• 50:58
  Start to recruit me. Exactly.
• 51:00
  Or when you start harming people that I have asked physically or
• 51:04
  mentally, which a lot of these religions, it's mentally that
• 51:07
  they're hurting that's. That's where I step in.
• 51:09
  That's where I step in when they protect the pastor who, like, he
• 51:12
  molested a bunch of children. Like, yeah, but he didn't mean
• 51:14
  it. Oh, the F he did.
• 51:16
  You know one thing, one thing that my my wonderful foster mom
• 51:19
  did teach me is I'm an eye for an eye person.
• 51:21
  So that is the one area where I'm like brimstone and fire.
• 51:25
  You got it, man. You're a, you're a pedophile,
• 51:27
  you're child molester. You did all that damage.
• 51:30
  You already know how I feel. I think it's even worse when
• 51:32
  it's people who are hiding behind, whether it's, you know,
• 51:36
  religion or power, you know, people that are in those higher
• 51:39
  trust, yes, that we would think, oh, it's the priest.
• 51:43
  So you just go along with whatever the hell they say
• 51:47
  because of it. And that to me is 10 times as
• 51:50
  worse as just a normal person. Well, that's what I mean.
• 51:52
  It's bad all around. But I'm just saying they use
• 51:55
  that power and that control over people because you wouldn't
• 51:58
  question the pastor or the. That's why.
• 52:01
  But that's why you don't elevate Kanye West, you don't elevate R
• 52:05
  Kelly. You don't.
• 52:06
  But we do. We do.
• 52:08
  We elevate those people. What's this most recent one,
• 52:10
  David, you know that killed the 14 year old girl or is
• 52:14
  allegedly. The rapper.
• 52:16
  Yes, you know, And so it's like when?
• 52:19
  And the problem is whole families get sucked into it.
• 52:23
  Yeah. You know?
• 52:24
  Well, well, honey, honey, he's got money.
• 52:26
  He'll take care of you like he's the low.
• 52:29
  He's the most wireless disgusting human on the planet,
• 52:33
  you know, So anyway, it's so. Yeah.
• 52:35
  So it's, it's, it's, it's one of those things where we, we cannot
• 52:39
  just put people on pedestals, you know, and expect greatness
• 52:42
  or not to them to have flaws. Because at the end of the day,
• 52:45
  we're all. Flawed.
• 52:46
  We all do. Yeah, exactly.
• 52:48
  OK. We're almost done something.
• 52:50
  I know we're almost out of town. I'm going to go dress up like a
• 52:51
  minion. I'll be back.
• 52:52
  I'm going to run through some buildings as a minion.
• 52:57
  That's it for today's episode of Rick and That Michelle J, Thanks
• 53:02
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• 53:22
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