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Ep. 19 — ICE Unmasked: Poor Training & Deadly Encounters · 4DAFAM

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What up, what up, what up? What's going on?
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Same old same, I'm Six Mill, keeping it true. What, KG?
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Welcome to episode 19 of For The Fam Podcast.
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Listen up, people. I would say 19A.
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19A, I'm with you. we're we're
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we're doing something a little different today y'all because the uh
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weather event that we're experiencing this inclement
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weather that's plaguing most of the united states
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at this time we're recording remote or
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remotely however you want to say that so bear
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with us this is our first time so if if there's a issue with the intro music
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that may be why but but with all of that being said we're we're just gonna get
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into it we're gonna record and uh bring you guys another informative and exciting episode.
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All right so what you want to get into today my brother,
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We want to talk about I not talking about the weather of an outside.
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Hey, I think Washington, D.C.
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I think everybody is talking about ice at this point and not the weather related ice.
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But yeah, the the rogue agency that's just wreaking havoc on the United States.
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So we've compiled
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a list of questions that I
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think are like just general misnomers about ICE that we want to answer for you
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guys and just sort of close the gap so everyone is aware of what ICE's core
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responsibilities are and some of the restrictions,
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if you will,
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related to ICE and their duties.
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So you want you want me to begin brother or you
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want to you want me to start and you want you want me to answer questions first
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you can go ahead we'll get it started you want all right cool cool cool all
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right question number one what year was ice formed and what was their original objective,
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They were formed in 03 under the DHS umbrella after 9-11, kind of like a,
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even though it was two years after, it was kind of like an ant to 9-11 to basically
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centralize everything into one organization,
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Border Patrol, you know, to help out with enforcement.
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Man okay cool cool cool so basically ice was formed as an answer to 9-11 it
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it was a direct result from 9-11 basically yes yeah it was well the i mean obviously we had,
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enforcement previously but 9-11 they decided to handle everything in one the
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one dhsm which is why we're getting the issue now where we've got ICE agents
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and Border Patrol agents roaming the streets of Minnesota.
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So once again, they used quote unquote safety as a way to restrict some of our
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civil liberties and freedoms.
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Correct. Because, you know, as I think I mentioned previously, you know,
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our children were born into a world where certain things, you know,
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they couldn't go through security at the airport with or without whereas with
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us, shoot, man, you could carry on bag with lotion,
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soap, perfume, cologne,
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pocket nice.
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You do any of that, you going to jail.
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It's not funny considering what happened during 9-11, but that's kind of weird to say that now.
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Yeah, it truly is. It truly is.
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But you are also right in that there was not this heightened security when it
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came to airplanes before 9-11.
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So take it for what it's worth. Question two, compared to other law enforcement
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agencies, how long does an ICE agent train and is it adequate?
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At one point, it was adequate.
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Now, in my opinion, it is not, because as we discussed previously,
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that they've lowered it to the 47 days to honor the 47th president.
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It's weird and crazy saying it out loud.
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Oh, in the past, yes, they've had adequate training as far as,
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you know, with firearms training, de-escalation training, civil rights training,
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whereas now they're forcing people out on the streets after 47 days.
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And it's become very clear that the only thing they're working on is how to
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pull out their gun and to be assholes.
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Let's do some quick math. Mm hmm. How many days are in a week? Seven.
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Seven multiplied by six is how much 42 so these guys are barely getting six weeks of training,
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because i'm sure some of those days are sitting in the classroom listening
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to somebody talk yeah how how can you learn and i mean like to be on the street
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i would i would say you would have to be somewhat of an expert to know which
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laws you're supposed to enforce,
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how can you learn that within six weeks?
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No, no, exactly. I'm just kind of like taken aback by the license to kill.
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Right. After after a six week training course, you have a license to kill.
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I mean, I think one could argue that a security guard gets more training than
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six weeks or, you know, close to it.
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I just think that that's really reckless.
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Well, FBI agents are 18 to 20 weeks of training.
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Now, you don't see FBI agents roaming the streets and camping and bulletproof vests and so forth.
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So what you're telling me is that I could just come off the streets.
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Like right now, at my age, right now, I could apply for it and within 47 days
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be out on the streets with a pistol, dressed up like I'm going to war,
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which is always the lefties, those dudes dressed up, and just be out there.
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I don't have to have any formal training on de-escalation. As I mentioned,
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civil rights, to deal with the communities that you're in because they're treating
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everybody the same no matter what communities they go in because all they hear
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is, oh, there's a lot of Democrats here.
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Let's own the libs. Dude, get the hell out of here.
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I agree. And I think that's part of the cause and effect as to why we're in
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such perilous times, why we're in such unconditional circumstances,
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for lack of a better term.
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All right. Question three.
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Does ICE have the authority to enforce traffic violations?
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Technically no so in the traditional sense
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that you know that you know you get pulled over for speed
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and so on and so forth no they do not however what
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they've done is if there's a there's an icy vent you know like if there's a
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a thing operation what's going on in minnesota because pretty much the entire
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city of minnesota is under siege so it's why am i why is the word escape.
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Oh, Jesus, a federal investigation.
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If it's a federal investigation, which what they're considering is what's going
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on, they have absolute authority to stop people.
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Now, obviously, they can't issue speeding tickets and things of that nature,
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but since that whole city is basically under federal control for the most part,
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they can do whatever they want.
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Here's why I asked that question. With Renee Good They said that she was blocking traffic.
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At that point, should they not just have called the local police and have them
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issue her a ticket and say, ma'am, please move your vehicle,
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thus de-escalating the entire situation, and perhaps this woman would still be alive today?
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Well, you know what's funny with that is that if you look at that video,
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when the cop released the video like an idiot thinking that it exonerated him,
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it basically showed her being kind to him less than 10 seconds before he shot her. Correct.
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Think about that. She wasn't being a jerk. She wasn't being sarcastic when she
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was talking to him. She was actually telling him sorry.
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I'm not mad at you. And 10 seconds later, right, I'm not mad at you.
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And 10 seconds later, he shot her. It's crazy.
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Good luck in a couple of years when you're on trial for murder. Good luck. Correct.
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Correct. Correct. Which we'll get back around to that later in this conversation.
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Question four, and this goes actually into what we were just talking about.
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When are ICE agents allowed to discharge their weapons according to DHS regulations?
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Oh, and according to that, it has to be an imminent threat of death.
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There is bodily harm, deadly force is a reward.
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That's also a playbook for local police, state police, the federal.
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We've seen in our lifetime where they can just pick and choose.
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Oh, my life's in danger even though someone's 30 feet away and their life is in danger.
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We saw this shit go with McDonald. We saw it with, you know,
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far away was that cop from him when he shot him?
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Well, he had a knife and he was charging at me. Like, dude, he was 30 feet away from you.
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Correct. Right. And walking, walking away, to be honest.
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But, but you know, bonus, bonus, bonus question.
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Before this administration, was it customary for ICE agents to actually carry guns?
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Good question. I don't I don't ever hear. I never heard. Never heard of them out there.
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And we've seen them literally or pistols and point pistols at people as they're
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driving away from them. Correct.
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Correct. These guys are out here suited and booted like they're going to war. Automatic rifles.
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Before this administration, you barely even seen ice in that capacity.
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They're really weird Alright, question five Could America, could the United
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States Enforce immigration laws Without an ICE agency?
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Yes Basically what that would entail Is them taking those organizations That
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are all grouped under one umbrella And spreading them back out Basically pre-9-11
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It would just be pre-9-11 and they would just have to distribute the funds to different places.
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Now, I can't speak with factual information with this, but I don't believe that
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you would see Border Patrol this far inward.
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I don't think you would see Border Patrol where we're from like we did a couple months ago.
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You wouldn't see it because normally Border Patrol only enforces within 100 miles of a border.
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How many? here? A hundred miles.
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A hundred miles. Yeah. I mean, that's what I always, you know,
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I always say like when, because I've seen people argue about it in Texas where,
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someone get pulled over on social media a couple years ago and she was upset
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because she's like, we're not even near the border.
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And the cop was like, man, we have jurisdiction within a hundred miles of any border in this country.
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And I remember her arguing with him about it and I looked it up and sure enough,
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it was within 100 miles, they can set up checkpoints, they can check papers and so on and so forth.
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Now, I'm not saying it's right, but I mean...
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I don't know if Chicago was within 100 miles of the Canadian border.
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I don't think so. It isn't.
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Yeah, I don't think so. I don't think Minnesota is either.
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I could be wrong on that, but I don't think so.
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I don't think Minneapolis is either. No.
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Just a free for all. yeah with that
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being said really there's only like two directional
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borders to protect right north and south
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i mean because east and west that's the
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ocean pacific ocean atlantic ocean military is protecting that correct correct
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all right cool all right those those are uh some of the questions that we have
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uh we got a few more if you guys would bear with this so go ahead my brother, the floor is yours.
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So how does ICE coordinate with local and state law enforcement and where do
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conflicts generally arise?
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All right. ICE coordinates with local agencies, primarily through something called detainers.
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Detainers are requests asking local jails to hold an individual for up to 48
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hours, two days after their scheduled release so ICE can take custody.
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Now, where does the jurisdictional friction occur?
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Well, it usually occurs in sanctuary cities, and that basically just means that
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those cities refuse to honor ICE detainers or they limit information sharing.
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And to make a long story short, they just aren't willing to work with ICE in that capacity.
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Also, though, there's also another
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conflict that happens or friction if
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you will and that's when ICE just
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kind of dumps detainees I
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guess I should say dumps them
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in local jails and then you have
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an overcrowding and overpopulation issue
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and local jails basically don't have the budget to support it So there's also
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friction there with them getting reimbursed from the federal government as it
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relates to budget and housing, et cetera.
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And sometimes they just release these people because they can't hold them.
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So there's also that type of friction that occurs.
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Number two, what oversight mechanisms exist to investigate misconduct or abuse of power within ICE?
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First, let me say, and I think this is the most important oversight, the people.
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The people are the best source of oversight.
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So, and we'll get into this later, but we wouldn't have the video of Alex Preddy
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getting killed yesterday without the people.
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We wouldn't have the video of Renee Good getting shot and killed without the people.
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So the people are the best source of oversight at this moment in time.
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But traditionally, we have the Office of Professional Responsibility,
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ICE's internal unit that investigates employee misconduct and detention facility standards.
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We have the DHS Office of Inspector General, an independent body that audits
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ICE operations and investigates systemic fraud, waste, or abuse.
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We have the Office for Civil Rights and Civil Liberties, which investigates
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complaints regarding violations of constitutional rights and profiling.
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And then we have Congress, which can hold hearings, etc., etc.
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Some follow ups for these, but we'll know we'll get to them.
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So how does ICE determine enforcement priorities and how do they change?
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Basically, the executive branch, they just follow orders.
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So whatever president is in office what his position is as far as immigration,
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supposedly is supposed to be ice's position as well so if you have a president
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that doesn't treat it as a top priority then ice technically should not treat
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it as a top priority how often does that change?
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Well, it changes with every new administration.
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It changes with every new president.
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Or, truth be told, it can change tomorrow if President Dumble just decides to
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stop all of this. It'll stop.
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So it's totally dependent on the president at this point. On his mood.
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On his mood, essentially. Or Stephen Miller's mood. Depending on who you want to believe.
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Number four, what role does ICE play in deportation proceedings versus detention operations?
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ICE manages a network of federal, private, and local jail facilities to house
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non-citizens while they wait for their court dates or for their travel documents to be processed.
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Yes, ISIS enforcement and removal operations coordinates the actual physical exit from the U.S.,
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which includes securing travel documents from the home country and arranging
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air or ground transport.
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You know what this doesn't say?
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Send them to Seacott. Send them to a country that they're not familiar with,
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that they're not from, and place them in detention centers or torture facilities,
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if you want to call it that.
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That is not a responsibility of ICE. Number five, does ICE's budget compared
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to other DHS agencies, what does it rebuild?
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This one was shocking, and I think it'll be shocking for a lot of you guys listening as well.
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ICE gets a larger portion than the FBI, DEA, and Secret Service combined.
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And the budget suggests that this is a top priority for this administration
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And because of the big beautiful bill Their money is already or has already
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been guaranteed Now there is a vote.
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Senate vote because the House already passed a bill to fund ICE or DHS.
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And there's a vote coming up in the Senate, I guess, when we get through this weather system.
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So later on this week, the Senate will vote whether to reject the bill completely.
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And then it goes back to the House, and hopefully these seven Democrats that
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voted to pass will have a come-to-Jesus moment and vote not to fund this bill.
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I mean, there's not a whole lot that can be done at this point because Republicans
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control all three branches of government,
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But a good start would be to withhold their funding and not reward them with
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more money to operate and kill people.
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Correct. Yeah, when you mentioned that, we were looking up these answers and
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just kind of going over some things.
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When I saw them, shit, you got to be.
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But then when they realized that they're just traveling the country,
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renting cars and doing whatever the hell they want to do, of course they're going to do a lot more.
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Correct correct written written
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cars renting hotels and and
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i mean like they're probably being reimbursed for their uh play uniforms that
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they're ordering off of amazon uh i i heard i don't know how true this is but
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i heard that they actually get like a bonus for every arrest that they make.
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Which again gives them the incentive to not get it right, but to just make as
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many arrests as possible.
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So definitely a quantity over quality type atmosphere.
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All right. So with that with that being said, guys, we're just going to roll
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right into our current events because I think we both just want to continue
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this conversation as it pertains to ICE. So go ahead, my brother. Take it away.
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I just want to like just mention, you know, especially, you know,
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yesterday with the shooting and the continued propaganda nonsense that they're
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spewing, even going into this morning.
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Where Vino has been on. I think he was on with, what's her name?
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Dana Bash. Mm-hmm. Oh, yes, yes. But Vino.
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Yeah, yeah. And just, you know, the fact that, you know, thankfully she pushed
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back. She says, so basically you're just disputing the video.
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Because I guess I can't, like, do they think that, like, our TVs are just all
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black? Like, our eyes don't work?
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Like, it amazes me the amount of bullshit that is being spewed because, I mean, let's be real.
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This is what generations of dictators have done, you know, whether it be Germany,
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whether it be Italy, so on and so forth.
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They do something, then they tell you that you're wrong in what you're seeing.
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Now, this isn't new to the United States because, hell, we've been seeing that
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shit, you know, from, you know, Philando Castile in Minnesota when he was shot
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and so on and so forth. Well, no, no, no, he was reaching for his gun.
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No, he wasn't. But yet somehow that narrative stuck, even after so many people
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came out to say that he was the kindest, sweetest, nicest man.
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All the kids at the school he worked at loved him. But somehow,
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even after his death, it still stuck.
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It was his fault he was dead. And it seems like they're pulling the same nonsense now.
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This guy is an ICU nurse at the VA hospital.
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You're telling me all of a sudden he decided to show up? No,
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no, he showed up with his gun because he has a legal right to carry it.
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He had two clips. He had two loaded magazines. Okay.
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I live in central Indiana. You know how many times I see people walking around
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with a gun with two or three clips on it?
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And often, very often, it's not illegal to carry a gun in Minnesota.
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It's an open-carry state.
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And he had his permit. Correct. So the fact that he had a gun is pretty much irrelevant.
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But, and here's the
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thing people if you watch the video closely you
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can see one of the agents actually removed
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the gun from his person before he
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is shot one of those ICE agents took the gun so at the moment that whoever pulled
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the trigger that man was unarmed unarmed and pinned to the ground.
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At no point was he a threat. And pistol whip. You're right. Three times I think
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that guy swung his pistol at him.
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Mm-hmm. Hit him three times in the head with a pistol. Correct.
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You tell me what law enforcement officer with proper training mean ever is to whip somebody.
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Because I guarantee you the gun was chambered because I'm sure he was probably
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one of the people right after.
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You know what also was interesting? They keep saying that he was the instigator.
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He was actually protecting the woman that they pepper sprayed and pushed to the ground.
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That's how the whole thing jumped off.
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It's just, it's nuts, the lies that they tell and the lies that they expect us to believe.
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And it's like you were saying, we got video evidence. We have video proof. We can see.
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What type of Jedi mind trick do you think you're pulling on us by telling us
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that what we've seen didn't really happen?
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Well, you're not that strong in the Force. So knock it off.
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That does always make me laugh, though, whenever we see a video released and
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then you see the narrative from whether it be the local police department or
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something. You're like, wait a minute.
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You say, what happened now? So that video I saw was doctored? Like what? Correct.
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Correct. It is extremely shocking and extremely insulting, in my opinion,
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to try and explain it away.
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Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, there's there's there's something else that to just
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further illustrate how out of control these guys are.
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Have you seen the videos or the stories from the police chief in Minneapolis
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saying that his his officers are being harassed when they're out of uniform, when they're off duty?
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These guys are going up not
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to white but to officers of
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color asking them for identification and proof of citizenship an officer of
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the law is being asked to provide proof of citizenship in the city that they
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patrol this is unreal you all.
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Hey, bro, so as you were talking, just came across another angle video that shows when he was shot.
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His left knee is on the ground, his left hand is on the ground,
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his leg and right hand not near the ground. And the gun is like six inches from
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there. Yeah, he was executed.
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Because, like, they were on top of him, right? well in
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in this particular still still image from the video they
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were separated oh yeah dog yeah he
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was flat out executed yeah yeah
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yeah it it i
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don't want i don't anyone i don't want
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anyone to think or
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feel like that we're hopeless we're
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in a hopeless situation here or we're in a helpless a situation because
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there is hope just like with the civil
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rights movement and and and there was
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much denial at first about
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the uh brutality that was taking place during the
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marches it it wasn't until the images started showing up on people's televisions
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it wasn't until the images started to appear in newspapers that people actually
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started to have some empathy and start to protest and go, enough is enough.
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I think we're in that moment right now.
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And I'm sorry to Keith Porter and his family because there's so much emphasis on Renee Good.
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There's so much emphasis on Alex Preddy, and rightfully so.
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But the fact that an off-duty ICE agent murdered Keith Porter is not getting
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the same amount of attention that these other two stories are getting.
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Is it because Keith Porter is black? I don't know.
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Is it because that duty was, I mean, that ICE agent was off-duty?
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I don't know. It doesn't change the fact, in my opinion, though,
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that an ICE agent murdered a citizen in cold blood.
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Based on, you know, of course, though, they'll flip this to what they say.
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They say he was firing a rifle in the air on New Year's Eve.
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And this ICE agent heard the gunshots and went to investigate,
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and then saw Keith Porter with the gun and then shot him.
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And then they're trying to say that he disobeyed a lawful order.
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And it's just like, dude, you show up around my house without a badge,
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holding the pistol. I'm not putting my gun down.
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Again, again, again, that is not ICE's job.
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Prison, call the local law enforcement. That part, that part right there.
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Call the local law enforcement and take your ass home.
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That is not your job to go out there and try and be Elliot Ness and investigate
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something you have nothing to do with.
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Honestly, the whole story reeks of Trayvon Martin.
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You had no business trying to
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police this man or or
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whatever you call yourself doing you had no business
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and no authority doing it and now someone is dead because you took the law into
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your own hands you decided to be a vigilante and go be billy badass and now
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someone's dead I truly hope that guy also gets rung up for murder.
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Absolutely, because yeah, you ain't had no business taking your ass around.
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Correct. Got a gun in a bag, so I'm going to go around.
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In what world do federal agents do that? Most federal agents would be like,
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man, I ain't about to do that.
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You know how many people are fighting out there shooting? Correct.
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Correct. I agree. So, before this administration, Yeah.
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How often would ICE even like leave their leave their office,
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leave their desk, so to speak?
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I mean, because it is it's not customary for ICE to be out patrolling every day.
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Right. I mean, usually ICE doesn't show up to a facility or to your house unless
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they've already conducted an investigation and they know before they get there
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who they're looking for and what the situation is.
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Correct correct yeah you don't you don't have them trolling the streets which is,
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be honest with you and again i'm not law enforcement i
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don't know the the particulars but if i'm a local law enforcement in minnesota
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minneapolis where this is happening yeah you have a problem with me every day
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this this is my beat these are my streets these are the people that control
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every day now you come out here turning the people on law enforcement now y'all got the gold, man.
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Because you got some of those folks that's probably been on that beat for years.
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Federal agents come in and now the distrust for law enforcement is through the roof.
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Whereas any goodwill that you've built with law enforcement and you're a cop,
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you've built good will in that community.
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Now that ICE is there, all that goodwill has just been completely taken it away.
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Because those people don't trust you in any way, shape, or form. Correct.
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You're not getting no help from those people.
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Because also, what I think is not getting talked about enough,
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those folks in those communities are sitting back thinking to themselves,
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like, when is law enforcement going to stick up for us?
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When is somebody going to fight for us against this tyrannical government?
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Because let's be real, it is a tyrannical government.
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Might not be a tyrannical government in the ways that the history books have
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shown other governments, but tyrannical is tyrannical. It doesn't matter.
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Just because it's the United States, we're not exempt.
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I agree. I agree with that assessment. And I, I, oh man,
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I kind of, I, I kind of can understand some law enforcement or at least to some degree, I should say,
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being sort of apprehensive about getting involved.
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I mean because at this point I don't think it would take much to start a civil war with these idiots I,
35:08
again we've already established that they're out here to escalate they're out here,
35:14
to instigate the violence in my opinion so I don't think it would be far fetched
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to think that if local PD did approach these idiots and tell them to pull out
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that they might try and fire your own local PD Ugh.
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Yeah, it wouldn't surprise. No. It's like all of this is just so exhausting.
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Yes. From Trump on down, it is exhausting. You know what, man?
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I'm about to change subjects, but I'm still going to stick with.
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Did you hear about this phone call? And I don't know the full story.
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Barron Trump, when he was in Britain?
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No. I guess he called because, you know, over there they had 999 instead of 911.
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I guess something was going on with a friend of his and he was like extremely
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rude and condescending to the law enforcement and the EMS and everything.
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And it's made like an international incident that's just not getting the time of day.
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But apparently he was over there being rude and basically telling them like,
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do you know who I am type shit? It's like, yep.
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I'm like, sir, we don't fall too far from the tree.
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Well, yeah, if that's what you're taught from birth.
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Why would anyone expect him to behave any differently i i you're you're 100
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right yeah i'm gonna have to do some more research on it but yeah i saw that
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they somebody made a big deal i was talking about it late last night and early this morning.
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Yeah all right cool you feel like we've uh covered that or you feel like you
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have a little bit more to say,
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I think we pretty much covered, you know, what we wanted to.
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But I mean, you know, as well as I do, hell, we could talk about this for hours.
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Oh, sure. And look, at this current pace, there'll be another big story to cover tomorrow.
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So whatever.
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Whatever. All right, y'all. With that being said, we're going to move into our
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next segment, our rant about a random topic.
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You got to work, my brother. I do. I do.
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So my rant is about the city of Chicago.
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Although my brother and I, you know, my father lives in Illinois,
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and I spent the majority of my childhood out there.
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I'm not a Chicago kid. You know, him and I both are from Hammond, Indiana.
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There are some things that go on that...
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Affect people we know, and so on and so forth. So I want to talk about what
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a lot of people consider 75 years as blatant robbery.
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So back in 2008, Mayor Daley and the city council sold off all the parking meters
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in the city of Chicago to the tone of $1.15 billion.
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So the city itself spent all of that money just to plug some of their budget
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holes that exist before they sold it.
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And here's where things get insulting. The private company that bought the rights
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made all of that money back years ago.
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So I think they said within like a year and a half, they made that $1.15 million back.
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So since then, hundreds of millions of profit has gone straight into the pockets
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with the private investors.
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As of right now, they've already, yeah, they've already banked $2 billion and
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still have over 50 years left to go on this lease. But it's not the money.
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50. Yeah. They still have over 50 years left on this lease.
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But it's not about just the money. It's about this particular deal is handcuffing the city of Chicago.
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So, for example, if you want to put a bike lane in on a street that has parking
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meters, you have to pay the company for perceived lost revenue.
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If you want to hold a street festival, like during the summertime,
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shut the block down, get neighbors out in the streets on a block that has parking meters,
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the city has to cut a check to that corporation for the amount of time that
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the street was closed to basically pay for what they perceived would have been lost money.
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And this year, the city, there were rumors that the city was going to try to
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buy those rights back. And of course, the mayor addressed those last week.
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But I guess the dollar amount was just too great.
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So the private equity firms was Morgan Stanley and the Abu Dhabi Investment Authority.
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Already heard me mention it was 75 years. When they went to buy it back,
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I think they wanted like double A4 originally.
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They are anticipating that at the end of this loan, at the end of this deal,
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that the Morgan Stanley and Abu Dhabi group will make anywhere between $15 to
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$20 billion of the city of Chicago.
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So I'm sure there are a lot of young residents that don't know about this or
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realize that none of the money,
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none of the money from parking in the city of Chicago parking meters going toward the city at all.
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Now, I was unable to find any type of news article or anything of that nature
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that shows what Morgan Stanley and Abu Dhabi Group is spending that money on.
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But I mean, we're not stupid. We know where that money's going.
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It's going right into buying more real estate and other nonsense.
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But yeah, so my word is basically, you know, the city of Chicago and Mayor Daley played themselves.
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But of course, Mayor Daley has a history of 300 people of Chicago all over.
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Nothing anybody can do about it, unfortunately. A few questions.
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Mm-hmm. You said the original deal was $1.5 billion with a B?
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Yeah, $1.15 billion. Yep, what a B.
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And you said that they're set to make $15 to $20 billion by the end of this deal? Yes.
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Geez, that's some return on investment. My goodness.
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They said that they already made that money back years ago, from 2008 to 2026.
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Now there's still roughly 25 years left, well, 50 years left on the deal.
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I guess, can you imagine that, man? Can you imagine the city of Indianapolis
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selling it to the parking meters to the... A foreign entity, first of all.
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Just say the Riyadh Group, the starting investment fund. Yeah.
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Man, do you know how fast every politician in this city would be voted out of here?
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Of course, Mayor Day was about to leave office anyway, so he didn't care. Yeah. Yeah.
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They've always he he's he's always had like an aura of corruptness that followed him anyway.
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But Mayor Mayor Brandon doesn't have the authority to break this lease or break this deal.
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I didn't break it, but they got to pay for it. Oh, okay. It'd be like a breach of contract.
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Correct. Whereas me personally, I'd be the type of person to be like,
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yeah, now what you going to do?
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Yeah. I'm taking five meters back. So what you going to do?
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Oh, wow. That is, yeah, that's crazy.
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Yep. It's just highway robbery. And the fact that they pushed this deal through
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back in 08 in two days, there was no votes.
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There was nothing. It was just the city council and the mayor got together and
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was like, all right, y'all want to do it? Yeah, cool. Let's do it.
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And they did it. They pushed it through. There was no mention of it to the public.
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Public found out when we all found out. And it came out in the newspaper.
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Nobody knew. Seems like it would be kind of easy to trace a kickback.
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You know what I'm saying? Well, yeah, what the city, especially at that time,
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was struggling budget-wise.
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So 1.15 billion they just
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yep and they spent that money
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so quick it just it blows my mind why you wouldn't just if you needed the money
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why not just lease not get with these firm lease portions of it you still make
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money they make money make it 20 years.
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Who the hell came up with 75 years yeah yeah that is absolutely ridiculous.
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Yeah alright you finish with that bro yep alright cool I'm going to my work
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and I'm going to work about injuries,
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And to be more specific, sports-related injuries.
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And to be even more specific, injuries to two of my favorite athletes.
44:30
The first being Bo Jackson. If you're a young'un and you don't know who Bo Jackson is, look him up.
44:39
The guy was basically Black Panther in real life.
44:45
And I'm not joking. the
44:49
scene where Black Panther runs up the wall in
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the movie Bo Jackson did that on a baseball
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field I'm not joking look it
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up the guy was a superhero but the
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other athlete that I want to talk about is Derrick Rose he is my second favorite
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Bulls player right after MJ and he had his number retired by the Chicago Bulls last night.
45:19
And I am just really happy for that young man.
45:24
Great ceremony, by the way. I end up to watch it. Great ceremony. Yeah.
45:30
It made it worth it because, in my opinion, the game was terrible.
45:34
But that's a different story.
45:37
This kid, because he was a kid when he got injured,
45:42
was basically on pace to rewrite oh
45:48
that might be a little bit of a stretch he definitely
45:52
changed the point guard position in
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the NBA in my opinion during his
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era the majority of the point guards that were playing were trying to imitate
46:07
his style they were trying to be him Kyrie Irving John Wall.
46:17
Kendra Walker, all of those super athletics. You can even throw Russ in there, in my opinion.
46:24
All of those athletic scoring guards, in my opinion, were trying to emulate Derrick Rose.
46:31
I can't throw Steph Curry in there because Steph is Steph. And Steph's game
46:36
is predicated on ball handling and shooting.
46:39
And he's one of a kind. He also changed the point guard position.
46:44
Actually, Steph changed the NBA. But Derrick Rose changed the point guard position.
46:50
And had this kid not got injured, one of the Bulls probably would have another
46:57
two or three championships.
46:59
But he probably would also have two or three MVPs under his belt.
47:06
This kid was unreal, and he was only getting better. In my opinion,
47:12
I don't think he ever reached his top potential because of the injuries.
47:17
So I'm just saying salute to Derrick Rose. Congratulations.
47:23
I'm proud of you. Well-deserved.
47:27
And congratulations to the Chicago Bulls for recognizing how special this kid
47:33
was and retiring his jersey.
47:37
So now that's, what, four or five?
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Bulls jerseys that have been retired at this point.
47:45
Mike, Scottie, Sloan, Butterbean, Bob Love.
47:51
Yep, so five. So congratulations to D. Rose on your jersey retirement.
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That's my work. Anything you want to add to that, bro?
48:04
Nah, man. Only thing that made last night perfect, even though the game wasn't
48:09
that great, was winning on a buzzer beater. Yeah.
48:13
That was pretty cool. Hey,
48:16
I just have to say it, man. I don't know what direction the Bulls are going in.
48:23
As they think, well, as soon as they resigned, oh, I immediately thought to myself,
48:30
just, we're stuck in mediocrity. Now, obviously, you know, you understand my
48:36
frustration on the basketball field, on the basketball court.
48:40
You know, I'm a White Sox fan. I've been dealing with Jerry Reinsdorf and his
48:44
idiotic, and he pinched ways pretty much my entire damn life.
48:50
And you see that in the U.G.
48:52
Yeah, yeah. What happened when the Cubs decided, hey, enough is enough? They won a title.
48:58
Correct. But Jerry Reinsdorf, I mean, maybe he's turning the corner.
49:02
You know, we signed a Japanese player, so I think he'll be great.
49:05
But it's just a constant penny pinching.
49:09
We'll never bring those free agents. We should. I mean, who the hell wants to
49:15
come play for Billy Donovan?
49:16
Correct. I feel like Billy Donovan is part of the problem.
49:22
But, yes, you're also right that the Chicago Bulls are known for being notoriously cheap.
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And that's also one of the reasons why free agents don't come here Correct Nope,
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I agree with you 110% on that Alright y'all We're going to move right into our
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5 on the Black Hand Side movie review And this week we chose They cloned Tyrone,
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You want to get into the plot bro or you want me to get into the plot?
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I can get into it. All right, go ahead.
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So, the story follows John Boyega, whose name is Fontaine in the movie.
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He's a drug dealer in a run-down neighborhood called The Glen.
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His life is pretty much repetitive, just hustle and grief. He is gunned down by,
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So the next morning, Fontaine wakes up with no memory of dying.
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He returns to collect a debt from Slick Charles, who's played by Jamie Foxx.
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Jamie Foxx's character is a pimp. And of course, his sex worker,
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his name is Yo-Yo, Tiana Paris. Correct.
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They saw him die. So of course, they're terrified and they watched him die the night before.
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So the trio start investigating.
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The mystery as to how the heck he's still alive. So it basically leads them
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to a hidden elevator under a local trap house.
50:54
They discover an underground lab where scientists are conducting experiments on black residents.
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As they fill back the layers, they realize is one of many clones the entire
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community is being manipulated through a consumer product to maintain harmony and passivity.
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That's pretty much the bottom Alright, so a couple of scenes that I really
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really enjoyed from this one I enjoyed when they discovered the underground
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lair and they ran into the scientists down there listening to Michael Jackson,
51:34
What was so satisfying?
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Well, one, because they were playing Michael Jackson Don't Stop Until You Get
51:40
Enough but the scientist is a white guy with an afro and a goatee he's out there
51:47
dancing absolutely hilarious and it's hilarious because they pointed out they're
51:53
like what what's up with this white guy in an afro,
51:57
but jamie fox discovers this white powdery substance that he assumed is cocaine,
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He's still with the intent distributing and using at a later date.
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But something peculiar happens. There's a weird side effect associated with
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this white powder, with this white substance.
52:24
It gives you the giggles, basically.
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So, our three protagonists, our three heroes go have some lunch.
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And they go to the local chicken shack and Jamie Foxx tells a joke about how
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he's never seen Fontaine smile in all the years that he's known him and at this
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point Fontaine starts laughing hysterically.
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At first, Jamie Foxx doesn't think that this is weird until he looks up and
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he realizes everyone in the restaurant is laughing hysterically.
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Why, you might ask, because that same substance that he thought was cocaine
53:16
is actually one of the ingredients for the chicken.
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So pink black dynamite and the beer gives you.
53:29
That's sort of what it reminded me
53:33
of right that the man quote unquote the man that's been antagonizing black people
53:42
all these years they're using everyday products to control us to manipulate us
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to basically keep us subservient, if you will.
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So that's one of the mysteries that they uncover is that it's in the chicken.
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Then the other discovery is that it's in the grape juice.
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And then the other discovery is that they're using hair products to control us.
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And I thought the most telling was the fact that they were using the black church to control us.
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This is the messages in the songs.
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Correct. Correct. This is it's comedy and it's satire.
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But I think it really touches on some low key important themes that many of
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us as black people have been saying for years. Right.
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For years, people have been saying that the music.
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It's it's it's it's so so much
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about denigrating women black women especially
54:56
right and i and i'm you got you guys know what type of music i'm talking about
55:01
you know the way that that that people were saying that the music only focuses
55:06
on sex or the music only focuses on violence black on black violence so it's
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it's all of these type of themes that,
55:16
clone tyrone are kind of touching on but they're doing it in a very overt and comedic kind of way,
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anything you want to add to that brother no no i think i think you got it uh
55:30
got it spot on i just it it's just funny how universal stereotypes are black
55:38
folks across the you know the chicken the grape drink. Lord knows.
55:44
When you used to call the pizza down on state line, they used to get a small sausage.
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Grape knee high.
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So Lord knows the stereotypes is crazy that they use grape drink.
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This ain't the first movie. No, no, no, not at all.
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Think about what's them silly White Castle movies.
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Harold and Kumar. those movies are hilarious but if I'm not mistaken in one
56:17
of the scenes don't they try and tempt the black people with like great Kool-Aid or something,
56:24
yep wow it's been some years since I've seen it but yeah that does sound really
56:30
familiar that's crazy bro.
56:37
That's absolutely crazy but Here's something that I,
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and you and I have had this conversation, but I'm just going to pull back the
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blinds and let everyone in on a very private and intimate conversation that
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you and I have had about a clone Tyrone.
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What's up with these cats who think that cloning is real? You know what's sad?
57:04
We like literally, personally know people we grew up with who believe this nonsense.
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And who the hell says, you know what, let's tell him.
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Now, I get it. Jamie Foxx is probably one of the most multi-talented people
57:20
in every aspect to ever walk this earth.
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But we couldn't call him like the rights leaders. Correct.
57:28
We couldn't call him, you know, presidents or. Correct.
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You know, just good people. We're going to choose Gucci Mane. Gucci Mane.
57:41
I'm telling you, man. We got to call him Gucci.
57:46
Gucci Mane. Now, if I'm Gucci, I'm thinking to myself, man, these dudes didn't
57:56
think I could clean myself up. Correct.
57:59
Gucci went in prison worked out himself together got a new perspective on life
58:06
on life came back out asses like nah they gotta there ain't no way somebody
58:12
can turn what was he done like four years five years something like that yep,
58:18
man yeah it's like you said it basically means that we We can't experience growth.
58:29
Correct. We're supposed to stay the same.
58:33
That's incredibly troubling to me. That's incredibly narrow-minded to me.
58:40
Because you're supposed to grow during your lifespan. You're not supposed to
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be the same cat at 19 that you are at 35.
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That means you're stuck in the mud. You're stuck in neutral.
58:57
Supposed to gain perspective and I
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don't know bro I just I find that so weird bro and I find it weird that some
59:07
of these cats actually get serious and like get upset when you tell them that
59:11
they're crazy and be ready to fight ready to fight and I imagine they even alluded to it in the movie,
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if cloning was real it would be incredibly expensive,
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so to go back to your point why would they waste it on just no oh gucci man correct,
59:37
wouldn't you want to clone neil degrasse tyson or obama or you know what i'm
59:43
saying somebody that's actually going to make a difference in the world hey
59:48
i don't even i don't even go as far to say this don't you think they would have
59:53
cloned trump dumbass by now if this shit was real I mean,
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because we can all see that he's on his last leg. Absolutely.
1:00:02
Just a thought. Just a thought. The thing is, too, is he he would be first and
1:00:06
foremost at the front talking about.
1:00:08
Oh, no, no, no. Yeah, I need to go ahead and play me for real, though.
1:00:12
He himself would be right there talking about it.
1:00:15
He's such a narcissist. He'd probably be like kill all my kids and just clone me.
1:00:25
You've heard you've heard me say you've heard me say before that he's the type
1:00:31
of person who absolutely would throw his kid push his kids in front of a moving
1:00:36
track to save him he absolutely would yes yes and I agree with you absolutely,
1:00:44
so anyway getting back to the movie,
1:00:48
like my brother was saying And we come to find out that there are many versions of Fontaine,
1:00:57
his whole existence has been basically a lie of fabrication and,
1:01:07
we don't actually get to see Tyrone
1:01:11
until we get to the end of the movie and
1:01:15
that's when we see another version of John Boyega who's sitting there with his
1:01:22
homies and one of Fontaine's clones actually walks by the news camera and his homies go,
1:01:36
hey Tyrone ain't that you?
1:01:42
And that's how the movie basically ends so Tyrone doesn't even get mentioned
1:01:48
so you'd be confused and I guess that's a spoiler but you'd be confused watching the movie going,
1:01:55
who the hell is Tyrone? Where is Tyrone?
1:01:58
Well, you don't get to meet Tyrone until you get to the very end of the movie.
1:02:04
Something else, too, that's kind of... He also finds out that basically his
1:02:09
mother's voice is nothing more than... Oh, that was wild, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah.
1:02:17
Yeah, they were. Yeah, they were controlling him through a speaker box.
1:02:24
That's crazy bro so crazy so anyway that's our review they clone Tyrone how
1:02:33
you want to rate this my brother,
1:02:35
oh just based on the message itself I give it a I give it 5 just based on the message itself.
1:02:43
Right there with you. I'm going to give this five black hands on the black hand side.
1:02:48
I like this movie. It came out in 2023 for those who are wondering.
1:02:53
It was directed by Jewel Taylor.
1:02:57
Yeah, go check it out, guys. It's a good movie.
1:03:01
It has a lot of laugh out loud moments, but the subliminal messages,
1:03:06
the heading messages really are worth it.
1:03:10
If you keep an open mind, I think most of us can relate
1:03:13
to what those messages are so yeah fire on
1:03:18
the black hand side for me as well when it
1:03:21
comes to rating they clone tyrone all right y'all we have reached the conclusion
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of this episode thanks for tuning in to episode 19 for the fam podcast again
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