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The Fake Invoice Scam That Outsmarted Silicon Valley w/ Kiran Deol · Scam Goddess

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  Speaker 1: Scam, Come rob from scam, come.
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  Speaker 2: Right fro.
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  Speaker 3: Godess, what's popping? Congregation? Is your girl?
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  Speaker 2: Lacy Mostly aka scam Goddess back with the podcast all
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  Speaker 2: about robbery, fraud and those who practice it. It is
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  Speaker 2: a comedy podcast. I shall remind you. Oh my, don't
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  Speaker 2: it sound so good?
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  Speaker 3: Y'all?
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  Speaker 1: Y'all?
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  Speaker 2: I gotta rest, I got to rest, I got to sleep.
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  Speaker 2: It's crazy. I'm a whole, brand new person. Okay, tried
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  Speaker 2: to kill your favorite bitch, but she's still kicking. H
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  Speaker 2: Let's get into it here, y'all. If you are part
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  Speaker 2: of the congregation, welcome back. Praise, Praise be, praise be. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: a scam a man, you already know that. I'm very what, yes, thrilled, elated, excited.
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  Speaker 2: But today we have a comedian and actor, a writer,
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  Speaker 2: someone I've worked with. She is now in charge of
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  Speaker 2: Wednesday night prayer meetings. Please do not forget to bring
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  Speaker 2: the last four digits of your social to those.
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  Speaker 3: Because she is a repeat guest on the show.
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  Speaker 2: She was the lead in Mira Minin's film Didn't Die,
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  Speaker 2: an official selection of Sundance Film Festival twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 1: Beer.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, we're about to be skied a s love Honey.
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  Speaker 2: She recently released a one hour comedy special called Joysuck
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  Speaker 2: on Comedy Dynamics and Look.
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  Speaker 3: Remember waking up at.
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  Speaker 2: Five years old, excited and joyously ready to start the day.
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  Speaker 2: Then we grew up to a pandemic, inflation and so
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  Speaker 2: much more wax stuff. Okay, Well, joy stuff offers an
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  Speaker 2: alternative to find joy despite the suck. Don't we love that? Yes, congregation,
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  Speaker 2: please welcome the talented, beautiful, wonderful, hilarious queen friend of
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  Speaker 2: mine here in Dale.
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  Speaker 3: Back to the show.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. So what a beautiful intro and beautiful voice
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  Speaker 1: to go with that intro. I could he the rested tones.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like it's sounding different. I'm hearing in my
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  Speaker 2: own ear. Maybe it sound like.
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  Speaker 1: You're getting eight to ten hours a night.
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  Speaker 3: Oh wow, well not right now, but I'm getting enough. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'm getting enough.
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  Speaker 1: She was like, it's up from it's up from three
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  Speaker 1: to five.
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  Speaker 2: No, the scam of burnout is people don't tell you
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  Speaker 2: it takes more than like a long weekend or even
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  Speaker 2: a week to like get out of burnout. I was
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  Speaker 2: in burnout for like a solid well technically like probably
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  Speaker 2: like four years but.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, but now we're out.
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  Speaker 1: I just remember I can remember working with you. I
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  Speaker 1: can remember being on a set and you were like, yeah, girl,
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  Speaker 1: I just got out of major surgery. And I was like,
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  Speaker 1: what are you doing here? I said, I said, babe,
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  Speaker 1: what are you doing here? You should be at home?
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  Speaker 1: And You're like it's fine, and I was like, doesn't
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  Speaker 1: is it?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: At that point, I still have like liquid. I was
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  Speaker 2: like three days off of us. I just left the
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  Speaker 2: hospital and.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, hey girl, yeah. I was like, let
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  Speaker 3: me see if I get all my blacket to where
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  Speaker 3: I just sit down the whole.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, you were, and then you were essentially like
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  Speaker 1: You're like, I'm just gonna sit down. Please join me.
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  Speaker 1: Let's sit down and eat lunch. But I've got to
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  Speaker 1: stay sitting because I've just been through major surgery. And
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  Speaker 1: I was like what.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, don't tell nobody knows.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that was and you made it through nobody knew.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody knew is.
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  Speaker 2: Not recommended though a scam. And speaking of scams, I
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  Speaker 2: have to ask Karen, it's been a minute since you've
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  Speaker 2: been on the show. Well, actually you were on in
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  Speaker 2: San Francisco, so almost a year. That was in January
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  Speaker 2: twenty four, Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: A year that was so such a good time. So
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  Speaker 1: your congregation in real life, Oh, I mean they are
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  Speaker 1: they wonderful, They are their followers.
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  Speaker 3: I don't see, we don't. We're all going together.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, saying I was going to say, you're the cult
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  Speaker 1: leader I aspire to be.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.
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  Speaker 2: No, when you say cult leader out loud, then people
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  Speaker 2: started leaving the cult. You this is a community, y'all.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, this is a community. Scratch that.
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  Speaker 3: Scratch that. Yes, I'll never heard that. Remember it different?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, So I have to ask you careen, like, what's
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  Speaker 2: your relationship with scams now? Like anything happens to you.
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  Speaker 2: It could be what scam some of the guys you
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  Speaker 2: you know, love right now, hate right now. It could
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  Speaker 2: literally be anything.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm just curious to scams, I said, top down thing.
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  Speaker 3: Can't beat them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you can't beat them, like, take your own
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  Speaker 1: little micro cosm of a scam and join them, figure
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  Speaker 1: out what that is for you and what's that for you?
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  Speaker 1: For me if it doesn't disrupt it, Yeah, for me,
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  Speaker 1: it was Thank you so much for being mindful. I
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  Speaker 1: was home helping my mother, sixty seven year old Indian
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  Speaker 1: woman get some of her money back, and so it
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  Speaker 1: was a lot of back from whom it's one of
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  Speaker 1: the people, like corporation, let's say, an unnamed corporation.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, an unnamed corporation that we love if they sponsor
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  Speaker 2: the show. That's just my favorite corporation. That one corporation
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  Speaker 2: you don't want it takes the money because they give
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  Speaker 2: it back.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, unnamed named, unnamed corporation. I know, are they?
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  Speaker 1: I was like, it's unnamed corporation a sponsor of this show.
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  Speaker 1: It would be great if it was likest all corporations.
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  Speaker 3: It's that's what that's what we're going towards. That's what
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  Speaker 3: we want.
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  Speaker 2: It's all corporations. So like see IM got it sponsored
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  Speaker 2: by black Rock. I'm like, okay, they had.
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  Speaker 3: The money, y'all. What I'm suosed to do?
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  Speaker 4: Every brothers y my favorite?
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  Speaker 1: Or what are the ones the almond farmers, like the
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  Speaker 1: almond farmers who like have the almond Empire here in California.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know about the nut Empire, but I do
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  Speaker 2: know that is one of the imports that France actually
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  Speaker 2: does get from the US or some parts of Europe
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  Speaker 2: is almonds.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, apparently we the almond.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some. There's there's a there's a family of
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  Speaker 1: billionaires who controls like the water in like northern California
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  Speaker 1: and has siphoned all the water. Anyway, different episode, We're
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  Speaker 1: gonna do that at a different time.
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  Speaker 3: Controlling water is crazy, little.
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  Speaker 1: Brain, little brainstorm the natural when you're going after the
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  Speaker 1: natural resources faved, you're like, next level. Now, this is
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  Speaker 1: very basic stuff. This was you know, uh, she was
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  Speaker 1: owed money and it's hard for her to get it
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  Speaker 1: back because she does work.
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  Speaker 3: For a corporation.
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  Speaker 1: No, this was like she she had you know, she
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  Speaker 1: had some of those like charges, Like she had been
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  Speaker 1: charged a bunch of money, and so I was trying
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  Speaker 1: to get her a refund on this money. And so
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  Speaker 1: the way to do it is you have to pretend
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  Speaker 1: to be the person. So I was pretending to be
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  Speaker 1: my mother. But we've worked together, and you know that
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  Speaker 1: if I am acting and I'm doing any role, I
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  Speaker 1: take it seriously. Yes, And so if I am playing
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  Speaker 1: a sixty seven year old Indian woman here, then I'm
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  Speaker 1: then I am a sixty seven year old Indian woman.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? And it's like, and
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  Speaker 1: I make it subtle. I'm still going to use an
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  Speaker 1: iteration of my voice. But I was on the telephone
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  Speaker 1: with the corporation.
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  Speaker 3: This is Susie at a norn corporation.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I said, yeah, like I'm having a bit
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  Speaker 1: of trouble with my account, Like and I'm sorry, you
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  Speaker 1: want me to follow how many links? I am a
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  Speaker 1: sixty seven year old Indian woman. I'm there's no one
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  Speaker 1: here to help me. My mother bursts out laughing because
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  Speaker 1: she's listening, and it's like, do you know how fucking
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  Speaker 1: disruptive it is for the woman that you're playing to
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  Speaker 1: be looking at you and laughing and staring at It's like, bitch,
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to help you. I'm trying to help you
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  Speaker 1: and your characters get this money performance.
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  Speaker 2: But you were like girls not a last through your artist,
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  Speaker 2: this a Lopez versus like that exactly, like.
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  Speaker 1: Like I can't out I'm not like like if I'm
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  Speaker 1: doing the work, I have to believe I'm you. So
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  Speaker 1: don't you sit there laughing? Do you know what I mean? Like?
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  Speaker 3: I believe?
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  Speaker 1: And that's that was the Trumpian element, Like I believed
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  Speaker 1: my I was.
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  Speaker 3: Believe the lies so then it's not a lie anymore.
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  Speaker 1: I had to believe that I was that sixty seven
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  Speaker 1: year old woman. And then it was like her laugh
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  Speaker 1: broke me out of it, and I was like, this
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  Speaker 1: is no good, like you, I said, I looked at
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  Speaker 1: I said, I said, get out, you gotta leave. I
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  Speaker 1: like I thumbed her out, like she was a hitchhiker.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, you know, so what what I'm still trying to
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  Speaker 2: figure out. I know we can't say the corporation, but
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  Speaker 2: what were you trying to get money back for? So
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  Speaker 2: they were just doing charges to her account. Like I
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  Speaker 2: was like, you can't tell you what Field and In
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  Speaker 2: corporation is in?
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  Speaker 3: So I can get this. What do they sail?
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  Speaker 2: This was?
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  Speaker 3: This was? This was this was phones, So they're selling phones?
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  Speaker 1: It was? This was this was a phone. This was
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  Speaker 1: a phone provider carrier company.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so well, one thing I can't tell you is
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  Speaker 2: that this is not Mint because they have great customer.
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  Speaker 3: Service and spot the show.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so it's not meant We're gonna say that
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  Speaker 2: right now. See, it would meant fifteen dollars a month anyway,
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  Speaker 2: So I'm so serious it was, but I can I know,
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  Speaker 2: but so okay, so this is a phone service and
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  Speaker 2: they are overcharging your mama reoccurring charge for a WiFi
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  Speaker 2: extra text.
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  Speaker 3: All of this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, think about like, think about that from that person.
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  Speaker 3: Was she trying to leave that company or was she
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  Speaker 3: trying to like she.
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  Speaker 1: Was trying to get the charge off, she was trying
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  Speaker 1: to get it so that that wasn't happening. That's so
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  Speaker 1: sometimes like when you leave the country, for instance, you
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  Speaker 1: get charged like a fee for like international or whatever
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  Speaker 1: so that you can travel, and then you're getting charged
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  Speaker 1: a fee. But she was getting charged this fee even
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  Speaker 1: though she was and she wasn't traveling, and she had
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  Speaker 1: tried to cancel it. And then they were like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: like follow this series of winks and then we'll be
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  Speaker 1: able to help you. And then I said, that's a.
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  Speaker 2: Good scam right there. Next time time somebody try to
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  Speaker 2: break up with me and I don't want to leave them,
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  Speaker 2: and be like, okay, follow this series of links to
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  Speaker 2: do a conscious uncoupling.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is links.
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  Speaker 1: It's twelve links. And that's when I said, I am
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  Speaker 1: a sixty seven year old Indian woman. I grew up
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  Speaker 1: without a bathroom in India. How do you expect me
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  Speaker 1: to follow that as a serious I will go there.
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  Speaker 3: And I said, like, we need you to click this link.
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  Speaker 1: I don't have a bath exactly, I said, and then
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  Speaker 1: and then, and then I could tell he was like,
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  Speaker 1: he was like, the man was so upset. He goes,
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  Speaker 1: you need to get someone to help you. And then
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  Speaker 1: he was like, don't worry, I will help you. I
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  Speaker 1: will take the time to help you. That's beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: I was actually started talking about the whole plot of
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  Speaker 2: slum Dog Millionaire. At some point they probably would have
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  Speaker 2: realized I was lying. I was like, and then that's
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  Speaker 2: when I discovered.
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  Speaker 3: A dance.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly exactly so, but it was a success and we
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  Speaker 1: got it back. And I mean, listen, I think that
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'm not a I don't like where the
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  Speaker 1: country is personally at this particular moment. You know, it's
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  Speaker 1: not it's not it's not my vibe. But if there's
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  Speaker 1: something that you can take in your tiny battle towards
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  Speaker 1: the David versus Goliath of whatever you know the corporation is,
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  Speaker 1: it's that when you embody a character, believe yourself. And
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  Speaker 1: that's something that I think that our president does very well.
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  Speaker 1: I think whenever he's talking, I think he believes himself
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  Speaker 1: and he'd just.
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  Speaker 3: Be saying anything.
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  Speaker 2: It's wild to me how we just have people just
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  Speaker 2: saying anything now, Like I think that all politicians lie,
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  Speaker 2: but it used to be like an efficient amount of lives,
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  Speaker 2: like not too much where you got caught.
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  Speaker 3: That he just be saying stuff. But he'll literally just
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  Speaker 3: be saying stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that is so fascinating that his cult
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  Speaker 2: followers are in such a deep cult that like anything
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  Speaker 2: that he says, even if it's a contradiction of thing
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  Speaker 2: he said five minutes ago, it does not matter. They
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  Speaker 2: will figure out a way to Like, he's trolling you.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, in what world do you want the
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  Speaker 2: president of the United States to be trolling you. We've
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  Speaker 2: never had a president troll us before. It's not something
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  Speaker 2: we've ever wanted out of our presidents. I wasn't like,
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  Speaker 2: I want my president talking about some lol. I don't
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  Speaker 2: want a president on whatever Twitter, racist social that they are.
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  Speaker 3: You know, sit it out, cool, cool president, tell us pool.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, I've never had president in my lifetime been like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: y'all chill out, like be cool.
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  Speaker 3: I got this. Yeah, y'all gonna get talk for on
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  Speaker 3: one came back.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. He's like at the other.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, but it's so perfect for your uh, your
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  Speaker 1: pod because it's like at the end of the day
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  Speaker 1: with you know, with this with this figure, it's it's belief.
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  Speaker 1: People believe him, people believe in him, or they it's
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  Speaker 1: like you might.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think we all kind of know like
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  Speaker 2: way that it's kind of an untouchable, sickopant group. But
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  Speaker 2: I just sometimes I like to read stuff that he
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  Speaker 2: says in like Obama's voice, because the things that Obama's
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  Speaker 2: black ass could have never gotten a way way and
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  Speaker 2: just be like all right, everybody be cool.
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  Speaker 3: Get out there and equal stop tripping. Okay, I've got this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm telling you these countries, seventy five countries are
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  Speaker 2: kissing my ass, like actually said he was, like, they're
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  Speaker 2: kissing my ass. Look, I'm trying to deport as many
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  Speaker 2: people as we can, hopefully you el or hopefully open
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  Speaker 2: up some more prisons because you know, we're gonna start
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  Speaker 2: with homegrowns next. Like I'm like, I cannot imagine anybody
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  Speaker 2: else saying this stuff, and it is wild to me. God,
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  Speaker 2: so Kieran We're gonna move into our next segment here,
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  Speaker 2: which is historic Hoodwins. We switch it up a little
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  Speaker 2: bit because, like the girls like get to it, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, I don't. First of all, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: stop listening to y'all because that is not your that's
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  Speaker 2: not what we do here.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I will say, because you're a community. This is
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  Speaker 1: a community. This is a community. This is the gardening
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  Speaker 1: part of the this is the gardening part of the congregation.
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  Speaker 2: No, I have to say I'm gonna stop listening because
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  Speaker 2: they know I'm lying, and then they're gonna keep with
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  Speaker 2: their suggestions and their demands because that's what they do.
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  Speaker 3: Like, got it, But say this, maybe some people will
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  Speaker 3: be like, like.
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  Speaker 1: They're gonna stop.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't believe how many on the last one I did,
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  Speaker 1: how many comments that were about your voice. So many
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  Speaker 1: comments on your actual literal voice.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, you know this.
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  Speaker 1: People are very invested in how you talk and you
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  Speaker 1: know what you do and I said, and they have thoughts.
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  Speaker 2: They have is like once you open yourself up to
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  Speaker 2: the public, they have I get emails now that are
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: just critiques.
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  Speaker 3: As always all email the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: If you want to sense on your friend's family and
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  Speaker 2: your enemies at scam got his pot at gmail dot com.
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  Speaker 2: But please stop sending me emails. But how I pronounced things?
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  Speaker 2: What am I supposed to do? It's done, the episode
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  Speaker 2: is out, and they'll be like this, Okay, now I
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  Speaker 2: do say Okham's razor. Now you know what, sometimes it's nice.
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  Speaker 2: What is that okhams raiser just means that the simplest
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  Speaker 2: solution is oftentimes the correct one, or like the simplest conclusion.
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  Speaker 3: I know what it means.
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  Speaker 2: But I was saying I think I was saying like
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  Speaker 2: Okam's razor, and they were like, that's not how you said.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not familiar with either of those.
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  Speaker 3: Just read that means I read it somewhere. Okay, I
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  Speaker 3: didn't just hear it and regurged it. Anyway.
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  Speaker 2: This is all personal grievances, and we're gonna get into
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  Speaker 2: historic headwinks here.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get it popping off.
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  Speaker 2: So Karen, we're gonna stay in the financial area today
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  Speaker 2: for scams. I'm glad that you were able to have
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  Speaker 2: a David and Golia situation where you threw like a
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  Speaker 2: pebble at the lion and lion was like out here.
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  Speaker 3: Got your money bag, Like that's exactly what happened.
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  Speaker 2: Line's still here, lies, minds still there, lines like row
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  Speaker 2: cu right.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, now she's just acting for seven mili of money.
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  Speaker 3: Go get two eggs. So let's get into the story.
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  Speaker 2: Hoodwinks here Today we are going to Lithuania.
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: I love, I love, I love mid Europe.
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: Yes, and this is twenty thirteen, So we're taking you back, y'all,
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: that was twelve years ago.
• 14:17
  Speaker 3: Can you believe twenty thirteen was twelve years ago?
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: I disagree?
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: I do too.
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: I feel like we just attract four years from COVID,
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: so this is eight years of percent.
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: Mentally, it's gonna feel like eight years ago.
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: But if we do look at a calendar, technically, I
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: guess somewhere somebody say it's been twelve years.
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: Sure, but what are facts when you live in when.
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: We live in America, yeah, you live or whatever you
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: want them to be, baby.
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: When you live in a crumbling empire? Okay, Okay.
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: So in twenty thirteen, a scammer from Lithuania stole over
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty million from tech giants using a
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: taste of their own medicine.
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, fishing email. Okay, we love.
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: A fishing email.
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: We hate them, but we love to read about them,
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: so hopefully we don't fall prey to them. I feel
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: like we all get them now. I have blocked so
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: many phone numbers. I get phone calls every single day
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: from do you want to solidate? So I can't even say.
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, solidate solidify your student loans. I'm like, bro,
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: I don't have loans that look like this.
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: I don't owe anywhere near any type of money. I'll
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: talk about. It's like eighty four thousand dollars. I'm like, bro,
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: I have one loan and there's like nothing left. And
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: I'm like, why am I getting these? And every single
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: day I'll block a number. It's a new number, it's
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: a new number, so they're fishing that way. Then they
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: leave you a voicemail, then they send you a text message.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: So I don't know what company has given away all
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: of my information.
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: But there. It is also the phishing emails. You know,
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: I always say, what do I say? Y'all?
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: Check where the email's coming from. If it's Amazon dot
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: com and the O is a zero, that is a
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: phishing email.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: If anybody's reaching.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: Out from PayPal at hotmail, that's not really PayPal. And
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: you did not spend four hundred and seventy six dollars
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: at Apple, And don't click that link to try to
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: dispute the charge, because they're going to ask you to
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: put your hard information and to reimburse you, and then
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: they're gonna take money off of your card because you
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: never actually spent the money they were talking about.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: And they never do that. They never do that. The
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: big corporations don't ever do that. They don't ever ask,
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: they don't ever send you, they.
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: Don't ever send you a link.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: And if you didn't learn anything from Kieren's mama story
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: where the company, the phone unnamed company was still charging
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: her for international rates even though she was in the States,
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: why would a company call you to tell you they
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: taking your money?
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: Never?
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: Okay, Kien had to put on a whole character.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: She had to go to Calcutta, really herself into the culture.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yes, and it was. And then she came
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: and got on the phone and put on a whole performance. Okay,
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: took all her mother's essence.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: I don't justice here, I just want the casting directors
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: in the audience know that I'm capable of more.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: You got an award. The reward was getting your own
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: money bag.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: So that's what I'm saying, Like, that's the kind of
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: hoops you have to go through to get money back.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: So if a company is re should now be like oops, girl,
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: like click this link because we give you some cash.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: This it's never that serious, and they try to alarm
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: with the amount of money.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: And one of our.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: Producers here at Serious Cody, was telling me that she
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: got an email that was talking about a computer purchase,
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: you know, from a tech company, but it was saying
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: that she bought a MacBook Pro but for like eight
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: hundred dollars.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: You can't get that computer for eight hundred dollars.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: So the funny thing is is that if you don't
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: know what that computer costs, that and let's say you're
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: in a more dire financial strength situation or even just
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: most of Americans where you know everything's going up, but
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: the way it is not like eight hundred dollars can
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: fuck up a whole month. It can fuck up a year,
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: depending on Like most people are one pay check away
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: from being in an extreme financial situation. In this country.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: So if you see an amount like that, it may
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: alarm you. And that's what they want so that you'll
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: click the link and then you'll but don't do any
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: of that. Go check your bank statements if you're really concerned. Yes,
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: but I promise you no one is ever reaching out
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: to you from a major corporation trying to give you
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: your money back, And they're not going to do it
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: via email or via text. If they owe you the money,
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: they could just put the money back because they got
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: it from you, they have.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: You a letter or whatever. The other big thing you
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: can do is like if somebody calls you or whatever
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: and they tell you got to do this right now,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: you say, hang up, and you can always call Apple,
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: you can always call Amazon, you can always call you
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: your bank and call a number that is an official number,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: be like, hey, I just got this call. Was this
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: you guys?
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: Even if the.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Numbers from an official number, hang up and call back yourself,
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: because you can clone the phone number that shows up
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: on your phone. Yes, but if you're a long time listener,
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: you know all of these things. If you're a new
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: welcome uh to hell. So fishing emails, I said, church,
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: remember that different. All right, we're all on one a
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: court now, we all remember how it was said. So
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: so we're talking about the cotrepreneur here. Okay, so we
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: know it's a scammer from Lithuania. Let's learn a little
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: bit more about this entrepreneur. Elle Valdez Remascas.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: That's how you say it.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: That's a that's the name of a person. Yeah, I
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: love that.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so, uh, el Valdez Remascas is an Internet famous
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: scammer entrepreneur from a small Baltic nation, sorry, a small
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Baltic nation in northern Europe. So I don't know why
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: you would want to be an internet famous scammer. All
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: of those words don't belong together. You can be a
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: scammer entrepreneur, but internet famous, we don't. We don't need that.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: And we're looking at my guy here, mister Ramasasicus, and
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: I will call him Rumassicus for the rest of.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Thes is like a I mean, if you're gonna be
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: a scammer.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Do'll sounds like some freaky that they doing on some
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: some kind of key party. But Rumascus and he looks
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: like he doesn't look like he's contemplating. Yeah, he was
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: like an alvail Diis. We're gonna call him il Veil
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: dis so Elveldis looks like he's really contemplating his life
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: choices or like he looks like I don't know, like
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: maybe he farted it and a little poop came out
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: and he's like trying to figure out how he's going
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: to get to the bathroom.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: He looks like, how am I going to pay for
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: medspa clinic because I haven't had, you know, the juwa
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: germ that I was looking for.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: It's just like something very shameful about his whole appearance
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: right here, Like I wouldn't trust him with anything because
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: he just looks like he just constantly makes decisions he regrets.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: It's the before picture, you know. I'm currently getting on Instagram.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: I'm getting a lot of I don't know if anyone
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: else's Instagram accounts or this targeted, but this feels hurtful.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: I'm getting a lot of Indian women who are in
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: a sports bra looking kind like pretty in pretty good shape,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: but a little bit pudgy. And then their stomachs are
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: kind of handing it hanging out and then they look
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: like wow, they look kind of sad, and then it's
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: like you click and then it's like ripped brown Jillian Michaels.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: That's possible in thirty days. And this man looks like
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: he belongs with those sad Indian women at the front,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He's just he's got that
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: like he's got the despair. He's got the despair in his.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: Kids at a funeral and he know that he killed him. Yeah,
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: like you know what I mean. Like it's just it's
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: a very untrustworthy vision that I'm getting here.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: So he's probably the second most famous Lithuanian after Anthony
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Keats of the Red Hot Chili Peppers, who is also
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: from Lithuania.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: I did not know that.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: I love Anthony Keatis, so in.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: I stole some stuff I can not scirm right off.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: But so he's the second most famous after him.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: So Anthony, I think you're safe in that spot from
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Lithuania because I didn't know about el Valdez. But we
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: all will know about him now, right, So we're making
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: him more famous, I guess. And in twenty thirteen, el
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Valdez would have said that he can't stop stealing money
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: from big tech giants. So in twenty thirteen he was
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: like I can't stop, won't stop like stealing money from
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: tech giants. So far I'm on the Valdez's side because
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: tech giants are really out here ruining everything.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: It's hard, it's hard to start.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: To empathize with big tech.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Oh but everyone holds your black turtleneck, real tight tonight
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: one for big tech. Okay, say a prayer, light a
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: candle for big tech. Simply put, Elvaldez was a businessman.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: He started a company, but it was a fake company
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: pretended to be a real company that did real business
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: with Facebook and Google and got their real invoices rerouted
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: to his scammer bank accounts.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: So he had a fake tech company.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: He said that he was doing business with the Googles
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: and the face of the book, and he was re
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: routing payments that are actually supposed to go to those
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: companies to his own personal accounts. Okay, though both those
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: companies have enough money and have done enough to us,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: so baiting the fish.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: This is how he did it.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: He recruited a team of unidentified co conspirators slash employees
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: at this startup who helped pull off the fraud, but
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: they were never named or charged. So abowt this, I'm
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: even more on your side because he said, I'm not
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: gonna snitch on my employees.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: As you take care of your people.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: That's good scam benefits.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Right there, he said, our HR policy is that we
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: don't we don't snitch.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: He said, no snitching, and he said one he said,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: he says five for me, one for you.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I mean, listen, before your safety, I'll
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: take it. So, beginning in twenty thirteen.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I'm liking him more, even from his face, you.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: Know, now, like his face again, Now he's determined.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Now what I see in his beady littleizes determination, Yes,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: what I see is you will not break.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: And this is what we always saw. Remember it different.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: I might call this episode, remember a differenter gas lighting,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: but this is Remember this is what I said earlier
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: in the episode, that his eyes were steely with determination,
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: that it was given like Keanu Reeves, somebody just shot
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: his dog and he about to go full John Wick
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: on all the big tech.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: This is giving Nicholas Cage. I want my pig, Give
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: me back my pig.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Yes, okay, we're on your side like we always were
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: about this. Yes, So beginning in twenty thirteen, right, his
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: employees start calling the customer service lines of Facebook and
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Google to get as much information as they could about
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: the companies, basically casing the joint via phone. Love that
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: love call him coming and be like, hey, yeah, hey Google,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: what's going on? Hey?
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: I don't know to how the snacks good? Good?
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: The snacks are actually excellent at Google?
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: Wonderful.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: You know, I've always been had a passion for keykode
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: what's your favorite key? What's your favorite pamboo? Like, I
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: wonder how they were getting this information. They would ask
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: for details like names of key employees and their contact information,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: building up a dossier of data. So the fact that
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: they could do this is probably Google y'all not paying
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: whoever pick up the phones enough money because they weren't
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: suspicious at all. They're just like, oh, oh, mister Google.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's Tom Google to m. Yeah, there's no ancient
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: at Tomas m M yeah oh his phone number. Hold
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: on one second, let me pull it up on the Like,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: why would you be giving out this information to just
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: cold callers?
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: I love the idea that it's called the dossier of information,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: And I was like, meanwhile, it's just a guy in
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Lithuania sitting with a legal notepad, making a list, you know,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: but anything can be a dossier if you believe.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: I like calla dossier, it's more official. I'm start calling
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: more things dossier's in my life.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I or my friend says, you know, I'm going
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: to have to add that to the file, and I go,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: what is this file?
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: Where is the file?
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: She's like, we're adding I'm gonna have to add it
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: to my notes.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: We're gonna have to add it.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: What the files of notes appen? The files of screenshot exactly.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: But now I'm gonna say dot C because that sounds
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: more official. So using these exploratory calls, the Froster team
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: learned about Taiwan based Quanta Computer, unlike the Australian and
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: airline Quantus, which is an airline Quanta. They said, take
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: the ass off. We a whole different companies, stamp it.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Look up there that's Quantu. This is their logo. Their
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: logo also kind of looks like the Obama like Hope. Oh,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: I feel like FLI it was the Hope Oh and
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: then it was probably called Quantus computer with the Hope o.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: And they were like, oh, actually Obama got that.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: They said, okay, move a little bit of the hope
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: over to the corner.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: And then look at how the it looks like that,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: but they took it apart in clip art.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: It looks like they took that from the Obama thing.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: The guests we can and they were like, okay, just
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: separate the clipbart because look how that the the red
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: lines right there have a white box around them. They
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: made this in word.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this is not a this is I know
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: when a.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Little computer clip made something and this was a paper clip.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Who was like, you need a fake logo. We got
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: you here ed word. So they have this fake logo.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: And then they were also like, oh, we can't call
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: it Quantus because there's already is somebody with the S,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: so we'll do Quantus. Yes, So Quantum is they make
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: notebook computers, GPS systems, and other electronic hardware for big
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: tech companies like Apple, Amazon, Sony, and Dell. Quantum makes
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Apple watches, MacBook airs, and Steam decks, among other things.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: So a Vedas set up a company also called Quantum
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Computer in Lafia, another Baltic nation, impersonating the real hardware company.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: So remember you.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Have Quantus and they are Quantus. What did I tell
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: you about spelling. Scamming and spelling. You really have to
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: have that hand in hand. That's why y'all need to
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: stop being so reliant on Ai and shiit. Okay, write
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: things down, know how to spell this necessary without getting corrected. Okay,
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: So is this the this is a this one's the
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: real company, This is the this is the real scam company.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: This is the real scam company.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: This is you already get cofuted? How it says Quanta
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: and that Quantus. Yes, it's supposed to be multiple quantas.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Waits a question the Quantus? What is the logo for Quantus?
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Is a logo for quantas also something as.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: We're gonna look at the real Quantus logo in one
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: second here. But yeah, so they're doing a bulet thing
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: like I said with the Amazon where it's the zero
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: and the o you know, switched out or if you
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: get amazons dot com and no extra at Amazon. See,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: so this is the real Quantus. So the logo, the
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: physical photo logo doesn't look the same. But I wouldn't
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: have known the Quantus logo. And I bet you the
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: people who are working with them at Google aren't like
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: looking at their branding that heavily.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Sure, Like why would you, Why would you.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Especially if they work with so many different companies and
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: not looking at their logos at all.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: No, they're not. It looks suspect. It looks suss on
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: the one that you've picked up.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: But see at least the Quantus logo here, Like you
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: don't see like a clip art box around it. It's
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: a real logo. This is definitely made.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: On Yeah, yeah, that that Quantus ch.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna give our boy of all this a pass
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: here because we didn't have Canva back then where you
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: could really get you an official looking logo.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: We have on it. We have true. Yeah, that's true.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: So you know he was doing he hit he could
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: what he got so about to set up this company, right,
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: and he's got it in Lavia. And he's also now
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: got his DOSSI have information from these other like real
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: tech companies in America like Apple, Amazon, Sony and down.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: So he was the sole member of the board of
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: directors of the fake company and opened and maintained and
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: controlled various accounts at banks in Latvia and Cyprus in
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: the name of the fake company.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: He's inspiring me, He's inspiring me, and so I I
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: I this, this this episode might be the pivot for
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: me from a comedy to scamming.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: Which, no, you know you can't hang up the microphone
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: carry it's so.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Funny, said, I said, that's actually yeah, like that m
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: I a drummer, like the one who she's like a drummer.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: But then she also went to her for business school.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: That would be me. I'd be like a comedian but
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: also a scammer. I'd be like the worst version of
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: that drummer.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: Didn't Nelly for todd Dog go back to school?
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: It's difficult to say, Yeah, I think she did. She said,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: it's difficult to say. You're like, it's actually a quick
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Google away.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it's difficult to say it. Yeah, it's hard.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: I think she turned out the lads and went back
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: to school.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she said, she said, I do not like this
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: inconsistent income ban.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Yes. So to pull the trigger on the scam about
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: us and his co conspirators called Facebook and Google, pretending
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: to be Quanta employees, requesting that they update their banking
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: information for payments to the company.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: So they called Google and said, Hey, y'all.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: The Google bank that information that y'all got right now
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: for us like, we need to update that mm hmm.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: So they updated it obviously to their bank accounts in
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Latvia and Cyprus that are named after this company very close.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: This is the lynchpin moment getting this information.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: So they created a fairly convincing like forgery email and
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: they would make several of these, and they would use
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: these emails with fake accounts, right, and they would look
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: like they were sent by employees of the actual Quanta
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: in Taiwan. They were good enough to full Google, one
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: of the biggest email account providers in the world. So
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: the scammer sent fishing emails with fake invoices to employees
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: at Facebook and Google who regularly conducted multimillion dollar transactions
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: with quantum So about the forged invoices, contracts, letters that
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: falsely appeared to have been executed and signed by executives
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: and agents of the company he was impersonating. And he
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: created false supporting documents for transactions which even had fake
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: corporate seals and bossed with the names of the companies
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: because remember he got all the company info for the
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: companies pretending to be and Google and Facebook in the dossier.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: This is elegant. I mean, I'm looking at it. I'm
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: looking at it on Google right now. And the quant
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: the spelling thing I mean revelatory. Yeah, you know, I
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: think of myself as a scam literate, and every time
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: I come here I learned something.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: So thank you reading Rainbow. Yes, you learn how to read,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: you know, run and flying high.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: You are, mister Burton, but better, but better in so
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: many ways.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: We read our book, We catch our crooked scamming rainbow rab.
• 31:24
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• 31:24
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• 31:27
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• 31:31
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• 32:01
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• 32:08
  Speaker 2: to death. Run okay, So, Facebook and Google employees responded
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: by wiring more than one hundred and twenty million to
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: the fake company's bank accounts between twenty thirteen and twenty fifteen,
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: which avows immediately transferred through banks in Lafia, Cyberslovakia, Lithuania,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Hungary and Hong Kong.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Multiple links, mult multiple links.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: I trying to get Yomama. That's how they try to
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: get Yoama. Multiple links. Yep. They say, you're not gonna
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: catch us.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: We spread this money out because you can't put one
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: twenty in one thing and get it all.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: It's just not gonna happen. No, no, no, no no.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: So say five five five five five five five three
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: eleven exactly exactly.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: And I wonder if he was going to all these places.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: I just want to imagine him, like on a magic scambus,
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: just going from country to country, you know, with the
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: friz Yes, with the hair, yes, a name like what
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: was his last name again, Yeah, remembers that sound like misfrizzle.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Yes, with a look of determination. That's why his that's
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: why his eyes were so beating in that picture. He
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: was driving already.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: In the very beginning of the episode.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Remember, so experts call this approach the business email compromise
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: or invoice fraud. So you just send a bunch of
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: invoices and low key when you're getting those emails and
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: those fishing emails day to day. For those of you
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: listening in the congregation, those are a smaller version of
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: these invoice emails. They're sending you the emails saying that
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: you paid this, you click a link, now you're putting
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: in information, and then they're charging your card. So they
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: f to be and the I step in after because
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: I'm sure the real quantus called and was like, hey, uh,
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: we know you men just ain't broke over there at
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Google and faceboo when y'all got pay these bills and
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: they're like, we paid them and they were like, mmm,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: you know you did.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Wow. I love this.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Because eventually, like I said, the companies notified the f
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: TOB and the I that they were getting some fishy emails.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: So Google and Facebook were like, hey, these emails aren't
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: There's some typos in here. They keep saying like be
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: cool at the end of them, and we don't know why.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: So investigators froze some of the funds before about us
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: and associates could move the money. So scammers had already
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: gotten about twenty three million from Google and about one
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: hundred million from Facebook when someone said pump the brakes.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: That's how you know they have too much money? Like
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: why can you? Why are you not.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Recognizing that one hundred and twenty million went to the
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: wrong place?
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: Immediately?
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: If three dollars and seventy seven cents get skimmed off
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: of a tip in my bye by, you know, by
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: a my favorite bar in Los Angeles that I will
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: be frequenting where the security guard at the front tells
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: me that my and I quote knows is cute, which
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know why you're saying that to me. That's
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: none of your business. Uh, you know, I will notice,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: I will know immediately. I will know immediately.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Okay, I wouldn't know about three seventy seven, but I
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: do try to check and like also I check if
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: I'm like, where're just I've never seen this company before,
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: like you know, like through yeah.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but one hundred and twenty million, So what do
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: you what's the number? What do you notice? Do you
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: notice ten dollars one hundred? What is your one hundred.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to tell you what my number.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to open myself up, but any type
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: of scrutiny I am here.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: It's a penny. It's a penny.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: You will notice me. You will notice me. She's like,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: I won't notice that a.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Single red sin. No, remember, no, earlier I didn't say that.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: I said I would notice a penny.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: You would, Oh I did? Sorry, Sorry, but it's only
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: my right ear works.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, we got to get that fixed in the
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: microphone for sure. Y'all are just y'all studies at home too,
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: So y'all heard it. Both companies said they were cooped
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: all or most of the money, but declined to comment
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: on the exact sum. That's when you know they did
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: not get it all back. Because large corporations hate to
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: admit that they got scam by a single individual because
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: it's embarrassing to them.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: That also goes the same for rich people.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think that there's a level of shame
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: that we talk about on this show when it comes
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: to anybody getting scammed, and that's why they don't share information,
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: and that's why the scam continues.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: However, when you're dealing with a large corporation like this.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: They don't want to admit that one random guy in
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Lithuania got them for you know, one hundred and twenty
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: million dollars.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Because that's a lot of money and you're right for
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: you to know.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: Then we're looking at you like, what are you doing
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: with the money that you didn't notice one hundred twenty.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Money, yes, exactly? And how much money do you have
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: any account that you don't notice that? And why are
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: you paying taxes?
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: Exactly?
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: You got one twenty million to lose using the roads,
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: right and y'all always getting a tax break from the government.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Clearly you don't need no, no, you don't.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: So Lithuania authorities arrested about this in March twenty seventeen.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: He started this in twenty thirteen, so he got away
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: with it for four.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Years to COLLEGEGIC that's an undergraduate degree in scamming in fraud.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: And he was extradited to the US a month later.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Not the USA and bring that ass over here. Ah,
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: I'm your trip. There he is with the Lithuanians as
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: they're taking Okay, I love this hat all the way
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: to the side. He's really given in fashion. He kind
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: of ate him up in this photo, like, I'm not
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: looking at Evaldi. I want to know who this king
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: is with his like.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Hat and I literally his military He does also have
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: a vibe of mom. Man, I'm sorry this guy got caught.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: He's a friend, right, he might be the homie or
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: maybe he was trying to get faced for the photo.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: But whatever, it is, space.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Car kind of like he's not I'm not saying that
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: in a cute way, but.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: He's just he don't know, he's just like he's compelling.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: He's compelling. And it's also it's also what if he
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: was one of the employees.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: He's I hate to do this too, Broy, lose my job, That's.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: What I say. It's like, listen, I've always been on
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: your side.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: I will put the cuffs on. Lose my god.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, don't wake too much. Contact, don't look. It was
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: probably talking right before this photo was take head look
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: over there, look over there.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, we're not friends in this one.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: So in twenty nineteen, he pled guilty to one count
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: of wire fraud. As part of his guilty plea, he
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: agreed to give up abruptly forty nine point seven million
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: that he had obtained from the scheme, and he was
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: sentenced to five years in jail. Now, between Google and
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Facebook not telling us the sum that they lost and
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: him giving up four point ninety seven million, when we
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: know that twenty three million plus one hundred million was gone, right,
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: so we're looking at hundred twenty three million dollars that
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: was taken from these two companies. He's given up forty
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: nine point seven. The company said that they got most of
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: their money back, but they're not gonna tell us how much.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: I think it's some millions out here hanging around.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: And honestly, that's a great deal. It's still it's still great.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: The math on the math on that, The math on
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: that is mathing five years in prison one twenty minus
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: fifty that's seventy million. That's approximately seventy million.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: The time the company said that they got most of
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: them money.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: So they got forty let's say they got half of
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: it back, so they got thirty five back. That's still
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: thirty five million for five years in prison. Now thirty
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: five million for five years in prison. You do the
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: math on that. What are we talking about?
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: That's seven million a year to be in jo ah Bid.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Maybe you know, and now we know he went to
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: banks in Lafia, Cyposlovakia and Luthuania, Hungary and Hong Kong.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Now even went to that mini banks. Okay, so you
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: went to six banks that we know of, why not
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: do seven? Why not make it even ten? Do we
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: know if we caught.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: All the banks?
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: So he got this five years in jail, right.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: So invoice fraud has become so common that when denim
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: company Diesel Jeans filed for bankruptcy in twenty nineteen, the
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: company cited invoice fraud for contributing significantly to its financial woes.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: So I guess everybody was scamming Diesel Jean and these
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: are the jeans, these are the genes.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, those are that's a. That's a.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: People were purchasing these. I think I remember the brand Diesel.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: I want to say, didn't they make a shoe with
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: something else too?
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: I have a very ugly vest watches that made.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Diesel watches, Justice solders that made watches. I was like,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: they made other stuff. This is a this is an
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: era in time. These these wide wide leg they're coming back.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Jes Z is bringing everything bag.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: But I also love.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: This because this was that time period where you would
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: just see people like making videos that were grainy, where
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: they were like mashing under a bridge to like, you know,
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: the angriest of the Caucasian music. You know, this is
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: like system of a down. This is like, you know,
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: we're really hid banging and I've missed that. I want
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: I want the white girls to come back with some
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: more angsty pop.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: I think that, you know, if you pick up.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Hailey Williams playbook, if you put down Lotto's playbook and
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: pick up Hailey Williams, that's what we do.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: If you're gonna do angsty, angsty mashing under a bridge,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: I prefer that to uh sub bredded thread where you're
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: trying to murder women. Yeah.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: We need to bring angst back, because the angst was
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: when they would just let it out in a healthy way.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Got on four chance and they let it out in
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: a in a community bridge, They made eye contact with
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: each other, They jumped around, maybe a couple of.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: No, nobody made fun of them jumping around. I loved
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: someone got a BJ then they feel better. Yeah, that
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: was a good time. We need to bring that back.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: The youth needs it. The youth needs It's just.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: I've got garages no more with you know, millennials reising
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: their kids in the apartments.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: These kids ain't got no garage to beat on instruments with.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: They don't.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: They need to bring back garage.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Now they're just in the tub. They're just on the
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: toilet with their cell phones.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they got whole game is setups.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: You know, we need to get the kids outside jump drag.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: So in twenty fifteen, Barbie maker Mattel sent more than
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: three million dollars to a fraudulent account in China after
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: a finance executive was fooled by a message supposedly sent
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: by the new chief executive officer, Christopher sint Clair.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: So this is Barbie was getting scammed.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: That was when that's when racism works.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: It's like we thought that our new chief executive was
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: in China, and they're like, sounds reasonable.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: Sounds correct.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: We get everything from China, So yeah, no qualms here. Also,
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: love Barbie got their lid back, they got their movie,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: they got everything.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: So Barbie's doing just fine. But I love this for them.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Around the same time because now I'm just kind of
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: listening different companies that are also going through invoice fraud.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: Around the same time, Austrian aerospace parts maker FACC fired
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: its president and financial officer after losing a thumping forty
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: six million in a business email for Wow, that's just
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: an email too much, bro, this is.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: A great business. I don't think I'm supposed to come
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: on this podcast and be like, Wow, I'm impressed by
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: the work of these fraudsters, right I'm supposed to be
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: like shame on them, or like learn how to not
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: be a fraudster.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: But they have some leftover income. I'm not feeling too
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: bad about this.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: I'm a recurring guest. It's like, in five years, you're
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: gonna be like and this time on the podcast and
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: then my face shows up looking like this guy from
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Lithuania and you're like, man, it does not look good
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: on her. This bitch was looking like Oosha Vance being
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: all evil.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Oh no, you would look better than that, thank you. No,
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: she is I'm like, how you already got the presidential
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: like eight ten year age and you literally just got
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: here girl.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: And she and she's like, she is the wife of
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: a vice president with no cause except not looking in
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: the mirror right now.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, girls, well you know, I don't know you married
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: that man, so you don't have to just live your
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: life the way that you chose to live it.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: That's between that's between, that's between her and her.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: God, yeah, you'll make her scorely, but yeah, I mean
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: I'm thinking about it. Why I did pop in my head.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: I was like, I wonder, I'm so close to serious
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: though I could I said some invluic.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, I was like slowly going through
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: my mind to be like, I'm an independent contractor.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Who is I definitely know how to make invoices. Yeah,
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm very good at that. So all in all,
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: here like I don't really feel too bad about this scam,
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: just because, like big tech companies have a lot of
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: money and they dodge a lot of taxes. So this
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: feels like somebody just texting y'all and five years, which
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: would mean if he was sentenced to five years in
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, then this man should be free.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's back out. We should have a guest. I
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: think he's I think he's a future guest on the
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: show Lithuania. I'm sorry not lot for in Lithuanian pastries.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Have him bring a couple to the set, mak him
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: feel comfortable, zoom.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: You can stay over there if you love and coming
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: back to the States under the last time we were
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: here and they push you in prison.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: He made seven million a year.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: He could he could come to in.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: The studio, I could do make studio, I can.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Bring and he can bring the pastries.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Five years for financial fraud to me seems bizarre because
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: American citizens typically get more than that. Yeah, if you
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: saw one hundred and twenty million dollars, you would be
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: facing like maybe even around like I mean like he
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: got less time than Lizzie Holmes and Jinshaw?
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Who's this tecon one?
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: Jinshaw from Real Housewives of Salt Lake City who was
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: scamming the elderly.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Oh you I think you should scamming the elderly is wrong?
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Yes, okay, so maybe yeah, more time because it's more
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: time for the elderly.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: And the other thing is because Liz did the stuff
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: with the science.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: And it was also affecting cancer patures.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, they needed more time. Yeah, he just
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: don'd you know what this is? This is why I
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: called justice.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: This is like slep on the risk, slep on the wrist,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: like slep on the wrist.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, five years in American prison though it is trash.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: But you'll be out right. I mean again, obviously this
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: probably isn't gonna happen to you on this scale out there, y'all.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: But please check your emails if you're getting invoices from
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: random people, if they're trying to scare you with big numbers, like,
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: don't respond. I just don't respond to them. I'll check
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: my bank account every now and then. But I know
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: it's fague.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: I think about where you're sending your invoices congregation, yes,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: and who are you sending them to. I'm not suggesting
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: that you scam big corporations. That's not what I'm suggesting.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: No.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: And if that's what you heard, you heard wrong.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: You heard wrong. That's not what we said. That's not
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: what we said at the beginning.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: But you know, I'm always curious to get more, to
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: know more of the ins and outs of big corporations.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: And I feel like I might have to make a
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: call to a few secretaries and it's like, hey, you know,
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: I've just always been so curious about Johnson and Johnson.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: You know, I love the products, A huge fan of
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: the shampoo.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: Huge.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So who is ourse chief financial officer and who
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: directly reports to them.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: I'm just so curious, what.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: Are the last four digits of your account number?
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when y'all send emails, is it just and Justin?
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Justin?
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: Justin justin dot nit Justin Justin can't be dead.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, it would be great if it was dot org,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: it would be great. It's like all of these companies
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: have like addresses from like nineteen ninety seven, and then
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: we're like, why are they getting scammed?
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: EDU?
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: Like, what are y'all doing? Y'all?
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: We have done with these in a minute, but we
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: have enough time for Scammer of the Week. Yeah, So
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: this is when we talk about a scammer that may
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: or may not be worthy of our praise. But it's
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: typically a little bit shorter of a story, but we
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: have time in this episode, so we'll get to it.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: So Scammer of the week is love Boat Lolita. So
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: we're talking about a romance scammer who has entered the
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Hall of Fame this month. Christine joan Echo Hawk of Oklahoma,
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: scammed one point five million dollars out of four elderly
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: women by posing as men named James Morris or Edward
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: Watts or Glenn Godard online, so go on and own line.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: So this is her.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, I just have to say this as
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: someone as someone who is supportive of the Lithuanian scammer,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: and as someone who has played a sixty seven year
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: old Indian woman in my own baby Mini scam. I
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: do not I do not condone anyone scamming elderly people.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: They're already at the end of their lives, especially elderly women.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: Because you have to think like these people might.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Be widow women live longer than their male counterparts.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: Or they're using two fingers. They're usually it's like that
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: means even to log onto the Internet, they're using AOL
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: dial up. They're probably using two fingers, two index fingers
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: to type.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: And that's how you know that they really are putting
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: in effort, because elderly people getting on the Internet, that's
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: already a challenge for them, you know what I mean,
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: that's effort.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Hour and a half even like not a full ninety
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: minutes just to get on that dialogue, not.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: How many grandchildren had to help them to get on
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: that site. For you to just steal their money, that's
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: not right. It's not really like see I told you,
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: I'll remember call your grandparents because they out there getting
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: scammed by Christine Joan Echo Heart And this photo of her,
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: I've never seen like this deep of a V neck
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: all like a prison fit like.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: It it's given plunge.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: It's like that's that is a that is a plunging
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: V line. That's a great way to describe that. That
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: was like, that was a that was a designer who
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: came in. They said, but how do we make it sexy?
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: Person? But prison make it hot?
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean maybe she was stealing all this
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: money so she could get some more neck. I feel
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: like she's low on neck and she might have been
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: trying to save up for more neck.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: She was saying. She was saying, I want to expose
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: the day coupage, but I don't have the confidence to
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: do it at Marshall's.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like if she just puts her head
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: like regularly, like you know people like put your chin down,
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: it would touch her clavicle. Like it's like there's no neck.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: She really is missus some neck. So I feel like
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: maybe that's what she was on the quest floor with
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: these coins. She also looks like she's like mid combo
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: when they're taking this photo or like, I just what
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: is this mugshot?
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: I don't understand.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: But she was the one who's like pretending to be
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: men and catfishing these elderly women, and she scammed one
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: point five million dollars out of them. She got cash checks,
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: wired funds, and even tens of thousands of dollars in
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Apple gift cards from her marks, who were all women
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: between ages of sixty four to seventy nine outside of Oklahoma.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: That's all standard romance scamscript, right, But Christine put her
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: own spin on it by involving an Alaskan oil tanker.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: So this is an oil tanker. Like I probably said
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: this many years ago. But if you're on a dating
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: website or app and somebody says they work on an
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: oil rig, they already got a family.
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: Boo boo, they already got a family. Okay.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: I feel like oil rigging is one of the biggest
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: cheater professionals. If you love to cheat on your your family,
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: you know, definitely working oil. It's dangerous, but it pays
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: well and you'll have plenty of time to do infidelities
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: to your loved ones.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: I didn't this is news to me, I didn't know. Like,
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: see again, I'm learning something this is I didn't know
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: this was one of the biggest scam professions.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: I understood that the job itself isn't a scam, but
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: it's just like if you want a second family, you
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like you definitely make sure you
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: got to go to Alaska and your family is like
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: in Oklahoma, or your family is like you got.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Set a free time. You got a lot of free
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: time to get on the internet and to seem available
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: but then also be unavailable to your family, so you
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: can you know, in a way, it's like prison, except
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: for you could pay and you have a job that
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: you do outside of that that you get paid for. Yes,
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: so it's actually not at all like prison, which is
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: what I said at the beginning.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: I remember when you said that.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: So this now Christine has brought in this Alaska oil taker,
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: So I want to see how she's bringing it into
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: being nefarious because there's so many different ways. So Jason Morris,
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: which remember is one of Christine's aliases when she's scamming
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: these women, told one elderly girlfriend to send him one
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: hundred and twenty thousand dollars to pay for an oil
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: vessel carrying seven hundred thousand barrels to a Alaska. He said,
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: he owed this one hundred and twenty thousand dollars so
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: the boat could return to shore. Once the rig returned,
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: he could move in with her. So, Christine, you jumped
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: a lot up. That's a whole sentence right there. I'm
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: gonna go back. Christine aka Jason said, Hey, babay, I
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: need you to send me one hundred twenty k to
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: pay for this oil vessel because it's got seven hundred
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars of oil on the babe, love your smile
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: when good morning, queen. So we gotta get this in Alaska,
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: and I own all the oil. So once the boat
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: gets to shore, then I can move in with you.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: But first I got to get this seven hundred thousand
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: barrels of oil.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: Love is crazy. All I can say is love is
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: crazy and the best. Jason Morris is a very convincing name.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: Can you get seven hundred thousand of anything on one thing?
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: But also, why how big of ease barrels? Why is
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: Jason thousand rays of rice? But I feel like seven
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: hundred thousand barrels of something is like a lot of something.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Is it at seven hundred thousand dollars of oils?
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: Barrels? Barrels? Do only think you can fly seven hundred
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: thousand of anything?
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: I also just don't know why the I mean, I'm responsibility.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: Why is it his responsibility to get this one hundred
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: and twenty thousand dollars worth of oil? Like like that,
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: why does he need the one hundred and twenty He
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: works for the oil people. He is not he is
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: not in charge of He was the.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: One man oil band. Okay, he's doing independent oil. You
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: know how you can go get veneers from a veneer
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: tech who has no kind of dental training. It's like
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: he just started up a career as something that typically
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: people have to be connected in and also have like
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: some sort of education.
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: But he was like, no, I'm just the guy.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: Your example of the veneer tech. I was like, no,
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: Oh gotta go to Atlanta war Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: You could get teeth from anybody in a pop up store,
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: This is like that.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: This is like going to Turkey to get the hair plugs.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the Turkey hair plugs be popping.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I know that if you're supposed to
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: go on a plane to I know that when you
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: come back, it's supposed to you're supposed to see a
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: lot of men who are bleeding in the head.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: Yes, I heard that too, that that they'd be having
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: the bleeding head.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: That like the plane is full of bleeding head men
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: because they all went to get the plugs from Turkey.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: Turkish airlines should really lean into that. They're like, we
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: have cool and scalp ice packs.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: Instead of a towel where you go to first class,
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: they give you just like a like a head shaped
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: ice pack and like put on your head. Yeah, it's
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: like when the girls come back from Miami and they
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: have to lay on the seats because they got the
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: bba bbs. Yeah yeah, so this is yeah, look at
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: these Turkish hair plans.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: We have to include these in the episode.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: So look, he went from not having okay props to
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: this guy because he was running a scam by growing
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: in front of his hair out and giving us a
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: nice little combover moment.
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: And what is that?
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: What is the credit balding where you have I don't
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: know what they call this type of balding, but it's
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: where like the sides of your hairlines start to run
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: away first like no, but it's like the type of
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: balding because like some people bald from the middle and
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: that's where they starts a balled and they had kind
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: of have like a little cap. And then some people
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: starts to ball from the front, like the sides of
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: the hairline where the hairlines started running towards the nape
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: of the neck. But then the front, like the widow's
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: peakle just stay there. That's what this man has.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: I am actually balding just evenly across my entire had burns.
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna make a name for it if they don't
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: have one.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: It's like the manty burns where you got hair on
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: the sides and maybe a little bit.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know what you're talking about. It's like the
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: thing in the middle, and then it goes to the
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: different Yeah.
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: Okay, we got men's hairline types.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, So this man had a low hairline with
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: a widow's peak, and so the peak stayed peaking and
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: then everything else started creeping.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so then he was doing like a peak comb
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: over and then now he's got this target.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: Can we go back to his after he got a
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: full head of hair. He looked like he you know,
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: ride motorcycles.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: He looks like a different man even But I think
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: this is also a lesson in confidence. The second picture
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: is also a lesson in confidence. He's posing, he feels good.
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: Don't forget that.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: Confidence will take you a long way.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: That's why we say gender firm and care. Y'all be
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: judging it, but everybody does it. So but yeah, he
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: looks at you. See you got them graphs. Now you
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: got thirty seven hundred graphs. That's a lot of grass.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: But yeah, so they'll be coming home with a fresh
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: raw head.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: That man looked better in his before. Oh wait, did
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: he get it first beard? He got it for his beard?
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: What's happening?
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: Wow? So if your beard is also bald, and for
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: all my bald beardy baddies out there.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: You can get some beard done. Okay.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: I love a vein man like. I gotta say too, I.
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: Actually want them to be more vain. Okay. I want
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: you to have a skincare routine.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: Get out there and then look if you if you're
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: scared of skincare, they make the skincare brands that are
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: super like Agromacho.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah yeah.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: So we took a heart. We took a heart. It
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: was necessary. So just like, I gotta get these seven
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: hundred thousand barrels, babes. So the girlfriend did this, but
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: the bank stopped the transfer. So Jason told his girlfriend
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: to contact the bank and lied to them saying the
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: funds were for purchasing property and not for the alleged
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: oil tanker.
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: But big surprise, there was no oil tanker.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: So he was like, oh babe, they stopping it because
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: you know the government, the government don't want me to
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: get this oil because them, Oh who is them? You
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: know they the opposition? Yeah, but who are these people
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: in particular? You know somebody's anyway, just say it's for
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: something else. So she said it was for something else.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: Obviously there was no oil ever coming and they were
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: never gonna move in together because this is a woman
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: doing this, This is Christine.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: Do you think that if you're lonely enough, because like
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: one of the things that I don't get about the
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: scam relationships is all you're getting is the text messages
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: or the emails. You're not getting any of the physical contact.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: It's just maybe the future promise of physical contact. So
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: could we replace the emotional like kind of satisfaction of
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: these scammers with chat GPT.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: I don't want anyone talk gonna tat GBT. It's note
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: as too much already. And then there's there's two schools
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: of thought because some people are like, oh, if we
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: don't talk to it, it's gonna develop anyway, and then
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: our opinions aren't gonna be in it and stuff like that.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: And some people talk about representation in AI and they're like,
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: if we don't do it, then they're not going to
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: have us in it. And right now, like certain AI platforms,
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: if you look up like like black Man, it's gonna
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: show you like photos and mugshots and things like that.
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's like people are.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: Trying to feed it to keep it from teaching other
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: people racist.
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: But then it's also like we don't want to feed it.
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: I don't know where.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: I just don't get my information from it because y'all,
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: it's called books, it's called learning, it's called you can't
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: learn everything off TikTok like, and you can't stop using
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: rock like. I don't know, it's weird, but yeah, it's
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: a complicated issue that we can't really get into today.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: But I made a hairy suggestion. I was like, instead
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: of scammers, what about artificial computer?
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: And you, Karen, shut up? What if we all put
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: our blood in AI?
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Exactly?
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: What about that said?
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: If you give away your DNA and then they clone
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: a child us a robot?
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what about you feel like a person?
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: What do you think about that?
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: What about just no sentience? How about that? That's how
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: we're boy getting scammed? We just stop being sentients. Okay,
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: we coulda did it the whole time. I will say, though, like,
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: maybe let's start teaching our elderly loved ones to use FaceTime.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: Just tea.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: I know it's gonn annoy the fun out of you,
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: because then they gonna start facetimeing you when you at
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: your job house and things like that, talk about the
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: weather and you know whatever, whatever whatever happened to New
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: today at the at the citizen home. But if we
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: do that, then if you're talking to someone and there's
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: love for you, just be like, let's get on FaceTime
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: or let's get on Zoom, or let's get on Skype.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: That's the easiest way to figure out if somebody is
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: fishing you because if they never want to be seen
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: in any type of way, even if you're not in
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: the same state, then obviously you know something is nefarious.
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: That's happening beautiful.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: So if they can't, if you can't see them on FaceTime, Nana,
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: then let's not do it.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: The other truth is that Nana, if my mother is
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: anything to go by, Nana is only gonna have like
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: the underside of her chin on FaceTime at any given night.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: Oh now the angles are going to be a trecious Yeah,
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: but at least we're not gonna get scammed.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: That's you know what I mean.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: So obviously this is Christine stealing this money. So girlfriend,
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: elderly girlfriend did not get her a man to move
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: in with her, and her hundred and twenty thousand dollars
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: went to this criminal lady. One woman reportedly sold her
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: home so she could send six hundred thousand dollars to
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: Edward Lots. Edward Last is another one of Christine's aliases,
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: and this woman sold her home. Can you imagine selling
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: your house to give money to a man?
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: I can't even imagine having a house.
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: You know, we do need to start.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: I know you took two steps in the imagination, we
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: need to start and own You said, owning a home,
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: and I.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: Was like, that's crazy, I said, I said, oh, I don't.
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: Property in this scenario. She said, it's not my brain
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: around home.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I like, I like when I'm living
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: in fantasy land. I get on Zillow Queen, I say,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: was mortgaugeous? That I've heard so much about a mortigauge
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: sounds wild?
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: People paying what I'm paying rent on mortgages.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, mortigages. Yeah.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: And I heard the bank used to give mortigauges two people.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: I just all of this just sounds like Candyland to me.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: So you know the idea that you would, I don't.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: I can't. I really truly, it's and part of my
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: question was like, is the scammer so good or are
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: the elderly people so lonely? And what is the bigger
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: problem in America?
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: Epidemic for sure, and I think we see that in
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: all age groups, but especially when you're elderly, and then
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: it kind of feels like you're a burden or people
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: might be paying for you to live in a specific place.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: This woman obviously still had a home. May A ho
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: may A hoo may. I've also called them called who'ses, yes, whoses?
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: So she had she sold her who's okay, so that
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: she could give six hundred dollars, six hundred thousand dollars
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: to this scammer Edward Lotts. Now I'm not I can't
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: give money to a man who's physically present in front
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: of me.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: I most certainly cannot give money.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: To a man who is just talking to me on
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: the phone and we've had no interaction whatsoever. But I
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: get the loneliness. And then once you built up a
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: rapport with somebody, then because you can't just you can't
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: White lotue this. If y'all ain't seen season three D
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: you know whatever. But like there's a hookup that happens
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: with a man who's like from Russia and they still
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: in the bed, freshly post coital, and he's like, oh, yeah,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: my mom, she still lives in Russia and I need
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: to get a out of Russia. And she was like, oh,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: that's crazy, so sad stranger man that penised me. And
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: then he's like, well, I mean all we need to
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: see like a little money, like a teen thousand US
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: dollars And she.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: Was like, oh, I don't have that, but he was like, oh,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: you're sure you can send it PayPal, Apple, venmo Jai, Zelle,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: do you have a cush up?
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: Like you just started to listen every single way that
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: you can send it, Like that's too soon.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: I bet you that.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: Christine, because she's also a woman and sounds pretty lonely
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: because this is like her job, you know, knew how
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: to like romance these elderly woman, give them attention, get
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: them to trust her fake aliases, and then and you
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: know what too if she has the voice of a
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: woman unless she's using a voice modulator, which she did
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: not give me like tech genius. When we saw her photo,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: it was given like her mouth be hanging up until
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: the drowel come out.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: Sure that's her.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: See she's like maybe like a minute away from some droel.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: She's giving given like she knows how to use a
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: voice modulator.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: So the people might be.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: Messaging and boiled but untalented.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like this is like a pimpal situation. Yes,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: because if you get on the phone, I'm gonna know
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: that you're.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: Not a man.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: No, there's no question about that.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she doesn't give me like she would know how
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: to use a like a voice modulator.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: She might. Though you know, we can't judge a scam
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: book by its cover.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: Now, I know we're not here to solve the epidemic
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: of loneliness in America or the housing crisis. I am
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: curious if you think that there is some value to
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: Let's say that that lonely woman who was, you know,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: talking to the oil tanker person. What if that person
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: lived with a college student, a college student who couldn't
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: afford a mortgigage. Let's say now, let's age or let's
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: say me. You know what I mean, I could be
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: in her house that she owns that I'll never own,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? And I could just
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: live the like.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: A room, you know what I mean, like pair of
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: broke young people with old lonely peace.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: Yes, so that everyone can annoy each other, but no
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: one will be lonely. They'll all just be slightly irritated.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: Yes, and irritation. Is that better than loneliness?
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: I think it is.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's give me a brain something to do.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: It's like I think loneliness is like the loneliness is
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: supposed to be worse for you than alcoholism, and like
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: cigarette smoke. So irritation, Yeah, so irritateing. So so you're
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: better off being a drunk than than lonely, which my
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: friend said, recommend no said, she said, careen, that's terrible logic,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: and stop saying that to people, especially in the microphones.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I saw you this when the AA meeting
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: let out was standing out there with a microphone.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: I need it, I need it. I'm retiring my megrophone
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: with you. But I'm so sorry because I never said that.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, it never happened. I never saw you. Yeah,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: but I will say that to.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: Your point, like the loneliness of this is probably the
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: bigger issue that would lead you to even thinking, like
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: I'm sure that Christine sold these women a dream, was like,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: you know, sell your home, let's go to Barbados, or
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: let's you know, live together, yeah, future tripping. Yeah, And
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: so that would be exciting to anybody who's been lonely,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: especially if you're older, because I can't imagine, like if
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: I'm my prime right now and looking around, the options
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: are few and far between as far as romantic partnership goes,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: and you're like older, and hell, the men who are
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: your age at that age probably still trying to look
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: at somebody half their age.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: Sure if they're virile.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which they are from gender Firm and Care.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: Right, they got a new airline and now they're out
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: here looking for the young bitchies.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I can understand how she got into the spot.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: Obviously no judgment, but no judgment she got. So Christine
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: got that six hundred thousand dollars. And here's I think, Christine,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: you are not giving like you're living lavish. You're living
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: in Oklahoma. I know, even though prices are inflating everywhere.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: If you got seven hundred and twenty thousand dollars, you
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: couldn't just live good off that. You couldn't maybe get
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: your little franchise or something and just like stop stealing
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: from old people like you had to continue. This is
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: also giving me that Christine has some kind of sickness
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: beyond just wanting money. Some scammers are really in it
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: for the high, the attention, and also this kind of
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: machiavelic feeling that they have where they control other people's
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: lives because there is a high of being Like I
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: got a stranger who sell their home and send me
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: all the power seeds from it there's power there, and
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: Christine no look like she'd never had a power in
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: a day in her life. I feel like every time
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: she probably worked at a real regular job, her manager
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: was probably like twenty years younger than her. She was like,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: I got a wait for my manager to get out
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: of high school so I could put in my request softs,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like it feels like she
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: didn't have much power to lie a hug.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: She had a hug and she needed somebody to say, hey.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: She was like my manager at the sunglasses to getting
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: her braces off. But as soon as she leave the Orthodonists,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: I'm a request that I can have Christmas off.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: It's also like if that, if that, Like if that
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: person who has this like machiavellian need for power then
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: re routed the money to doctors without borders, Now what
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: do you think of them?
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: I still don't like it.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: That's right, That's right, because it should have it should
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: have technically been that old bitches, yeah prerogative to give
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: that money to doctors without borders and sell her house
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: for the reason.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: So another elderly girlfriend.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: I love the term elderly girlfriend because why can't they
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: just girlfriend?
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: Old bitch.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: Also, I mean that sounded better to me than elderly girlfriend.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: When I'm old, don't call me, just tell you something.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: I'm happy with being called an old bitch today. I
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: think it just sounds like, you know, old bitch.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: Sounds like I'm still having fun out here.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, elderly girlfriend is given a commercial for like vaginal dryness,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: and I don't like that.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: Let's take this old pony for one more.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: Dryness happens at all ages. I'm just saying it sounds
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: like a commercial, like are you and your elderly girlfriend
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: having like me?
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: He at scam Goddess support vaginal dryness and vaginal vaginals.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: We don't support. We want you all to get it
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: that dry.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: We support whatever any level of liquid inside of.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: Whatever you whatever's comfortable for you, we support it. We
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: actually will be on the megaphone out front really raising
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: awareness about this. So another elderly girlfriend sent two hundred
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars for expenses on a financial portfolio that
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: Glenn Godard promised to send her from Syria. She trusted
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: Glenn because he said they went to college together.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: They did not. There's a lot of people at college
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: you could probably say you went to college with a
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: lot of people. They wouldn't know.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: I was just thinking. I got a message from somebody
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: who said we went to college together, and I was like.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: Did we go to college together? I don't know. Of
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: course they hit you. Now you pop it in and
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: seeing these specials, they know you're going to sundance.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: Like, remember we went to college to get a carr.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: Remember our mascot. It was our favorite mascot. Go finish it, Karen,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: go uh go the mascot.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: Of the college. Yeah, that we went to go Penis.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: That wasn't it?
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: Girl, wasn't it? Did? I lost it? I lost what
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: was it?
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: We didn't have?
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: I always said the go part that you said, the
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: mascot and the city and location of the college that
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: we went to.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: That's okay, that's okay, but that would be a tell
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: because we didn't have a mascot. That was kind of
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: my college didn't have a mascot.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: Damn. I wasn't scam.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: It was literally like when you said go and I
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: was like, no, we didn't.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: Know, because remember we were sad that we didn't have
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: a mascot. That's what I actually said.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: You're so convincing.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So we would just be like, go name of
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: our school. Oh my god, I would say, you're sitting
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: make news.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: You're like fake news, but all this eye contact, and
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, go what I thought.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: It was a job, But what was the name of it?
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: The name of the thing, the school that you went to.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, I went to Harvard.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: Go Harvard. That's what we always said.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: I said that.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: Nobody said go Harvard.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: Everyone said, don't tell people about that girl.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: I would say that all the time, and then every
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: job that I had, I would say, I went.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: To harm the one thing, this is the first time,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: and did you really go to Harvard? It's the thing
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: I'm really proud of, but lazy. The thing I'm really
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: proud of with Harvard, it's the first time I would
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: ever really mentioned it on the pod is like they
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: stood up to President. I'm very proud of the institution.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, I.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: Don't want d now y'all talking a mouch. I want diverse.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: Few points are y'all saying let stupid people land?
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, you have to understand that school is older
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: than the federal government. So they're like quite conservative in
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: their take, like They're.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: Like, we already racist, and that would get back.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: For them to do that to the president means that
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: the request list must have been white.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: I just want to go back care for.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: We don't need to talk about the reason I was.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: Saying Harvard and how I had to juice it out
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: of you with my bit there is because typically it's
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: not that funny. If somebody is from went to Harvard,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: I will know that within the first conversation. I have
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: no care for years, and I had no idea that
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: she went to Harvard. So I'm just shocked that they
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: has never casually dropped in the conversation, because you know
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: the girls who go to Harvard, they'd be like, yeah,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: you know, never mind me. I'm like, oh, they be like, oh,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: I remmder that time I went to Harvard. That's what
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: I was to Harvard, and I stubbed my toe. Yeah,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: when I was actually becoming president of the Law Review,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: I stubbed my toe right.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: Before my speed. You know, it's a funny at Harvard
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: and women.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: Women have been like that.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: You women, I mean, you know.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: What, I will say, it's mostly men. I know all
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: the men who went to Harvard, I may not know
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: as many women.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: And well color those men, you know what they was?
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, so I'm just saying that's a massive There
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: are diverse people that mark this whole sequence, but that's
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: a massive differential. Like it's it. I would my guess guess.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: Would be like, because I'm a woman, if I went
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: to Harvard, you know, I went to Harvard.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: Everybody on this podcast, I went to scholars on scholarship,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: I say it all the time. I'll be like, remember
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: when I was at Harvard. Oh boy, those were the
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: Harvard days. Anyway, it had nothing to do with nothing.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: You actually give me a bunch of friends, you text
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: me a bunch of phrases. I'm gonna start saying, I'm gonna.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: Get you where we can shoehorn it in so naturally.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: Yes, So I'm gonna put that in my invoices.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: Back to Christine and her alias Glenn Godart, I will
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: say that Christine obviously has a bit of a finest here,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: because remember we had the oil rigger and his name
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: was Jason Morris.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: Jason Morris sounds like he would be rigging oil.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: Glenn Godard does sound like he's got financial portfolios from
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: the Godard family. Yeah, she should have put a third
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: on there, Glenn Godard that we actually he.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: Owed these old people, right, So Glenn Godard the second.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's better than a junior. I was just contemplating Junior.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: Bro It's gotta be the second, because Junior is like that.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, you don't have enough money to be up
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: to have the little Roman numerals. You gotta have Roman
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: numeral money.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: You gotta have plaque money, you gotta have family press money.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: Yes, you gotta have artifacts that are definitely stolen from
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: the races you were pressed to gaya.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and they have to be kept somewhere.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: And then you say things like finders keepers on the internet.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm, yes, yes, to the victor goes to spoils.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: That's a classic way to say it.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, So Christine laundered this money that she got from
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: her victims through various accounts, converting them to cryptocurrency. And
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: then never mind, Christine, I take a bad girl. Clearly
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: you not as dumb as you look, so you know,
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: and that's what I said initially, is that Christine gave
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: me that she was gonna be very good at tech
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: because she's laundering through cryptocurrency. And then sending crypto payments
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: to an unidentified suspect. Now, Christine, why is anybody else
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: involved in this scam? Why are you sending money to anybody?
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: Because I don't think you need to involve anybody in this.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: I better not find out that this cut is going
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: to a man.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: And crypto is a very volatile currency, So I don't know.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: I'm on the fence about the.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: Well, she's got to launder the money though, because otherwise
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: she cannot explain how she got one point five million
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: dollars just sent it accounts.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: What isn't Why isn't she on the black market?
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: Babe?
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: Like, why isn't she on the dark one?
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: I don't know how to get to the dark web personally.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, we'll talk about that offline.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: So Christine was arrested and charged with unlawful use of
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: criminal proceeds and using a computer to violate state statues.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: She faces twenty four to sixty four years in prison
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: and has to pay up to two hundred sixty thousand
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: dollars in fine.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: That's not that much.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: You should to get the money back.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: That's why I don't like fines, because when you say fines,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: the government just gets money because you committed a crime.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: The money should go evenly be distributed to the victims,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: because otherwise, why do we get the government involved? Girl, Like,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: what is you doing?
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we pay you.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: To help us, And the government's like, well, we gonna
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: take our finds fines, but what bid you to do?
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 4: Nothing?
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: Yep, even if you're taking a fine off of the person,
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: I think the what about restitution would not restitution?
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: That's the word finds does not mean restitution, that's correct.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: And you know they always love.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: To slap the girlies with some restitution who they know
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: cannot afford it. So it's like it's not a it
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: just like something to make you feel better after it's over.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: But I'm like, fines, this money should just go directly
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: to those elderly victims. Like people have lost their homes
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: in these scenarios. People have given up a horrible amount
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: of money that obviously should have gone to them, their family,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: wherever they wanted to use that money. So find to me,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: I'm like, the government caught a little lick in here too.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: Not the government scamming as well. They said, we can't
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: believe you did it to the elderly women paying US
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: two hundred and sixty thousand dollars.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: In Yeah, yeah they should. It should at least be
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: that that money goes back. But really she should be
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: owing that one to five back to the people and
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: figuring that out and hoping that that cryptocurrency went up.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: See wandering is the only reason that I would understand
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: why she would get crypto involved anway, because obviously it's
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: polatile and in many cases a scam. I don't know
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: why y'all get why any celebrity who tells y'all to
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: get they coin, they meme, Why are y'all doing that?
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: It's a scam. They're using their popularity so you can
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: go foolishly buy whatever volatile coin they have, and then
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: as soon as that starts to raise in value, they
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: rug pull you, which means that they're gonna take all
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: their shares out and then they're gonna get the money,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: and then whatever bullshit that you bought is going to
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: be worthless.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: I had a boyfriend this happened to you with an NFT.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: It was really sad.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: I remember when the hawk to a Girl came out
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: and was like I got a hock to a meme
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: and everyone was buying it. I'm like, this girl literally
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: said one thing that was very basic that has been
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: said before on somebody's street internet. I want y'all to
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: stop doing them street internet interviews for TikTok, please leave
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: people alone. Did y'all see that planned parent lady who
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: got punched? That's why y'all need to stop. Okay, she
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: was like talking to some random person in Harlem about
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: plant parenthood, but trying to bait her into looking dumb
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: because she was pro life, and then at the end
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: she got her shit rocked.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: She got punched.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, the evil lady who was doing the interviews
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: on the street, and it's like, why are you doing this?
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: Leave people alone? People are not content.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: People are not content as a bumper sticker that I
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: actually don't think the big tech agrees with, which is
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: why I do agree with the man from Lithuania that
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: he wasn't totally wrong.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: Because these people every time you go outside now, I
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: feel like there's some black mirror version of a lot
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: of the younger generations and even the millennials too, where
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: they're looking at people like content.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: They're like, oh, that person is twelve likes or like
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, these are strangers on
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: the street. Leave them alone.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: Like, no, I saw this man, he was at least
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: six thousand views. I'm gonna go run up to him
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: and bob the hem.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: What what are you doing? I would?
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: I I think people, Yeah, if you if, if they
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: won't let you hug them, don't ask them to make
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: a video, right like it needs to be there needs
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: to be at least some if you can't.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: Know the person, and then maybe think about doing a video.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But Christine, I don't love your scam at all.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: I really feel sad for these elderly girlfriends.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: Christine feels like a person who would wear ugly diesel jeans.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: To me, I don't think she's cool enough for those
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: diesel jeans.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: I don't see Christine under the bridge. I think that's true.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: But maybe if Christine was under the bridge, she would
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: have left these elderly people alone.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she needed hobbies, and Christine, this was my it,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: so all the twenty four to six for years, it's
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: a lot of years in prison. Christina doesn't look like
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: you're gonna see the light of day again. And I'm
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: okay with that I'm okay with that, because you don't
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: need to be on the streets. You definitely don't need
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: to be on the phones or the computers because clearly,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: clearly you don't know how to act.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: Christine, pick up a book the prison library and let's
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: see what you decide to author from there.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: It might it might.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: Be a booker here somewhere, Christine, I don't know, but
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: I just I don't like to see like romance fraud.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: It's my least favorite type of friend.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's preying on the one of the most basic
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: human emotions. And you know, everyone's looking for love in
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: one way or another, and that's why we're on this podcast.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: And if you want to be a cheater again oil rigging, okay,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: or get one of them jobs, so you got to
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: go out of town a lot, like be a consultant.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: They're always on planes, you know what I mean. Like
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: find a job where you have to travel to different
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: sites and locations and then you can have a separate family,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: In Tucson, it would be great.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: It's like, you know, within the next like five to
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: seven years. It's like some you have a scammer who's
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: on here citing your podcast as a source of information.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: I never want that to happen.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: I will never be implicated because I never said anything
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: that was That's true. Yes, but Karen, thank you so
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: much for me on the show today.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. What AI like? This was?
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, as always and I learned, and I learned,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: I learned, We laughed.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: We saw a lot of beautiful things and a lot
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: of ugly people.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: We saw, I mean Turkish hairlines.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: You know, y'all, just make sure they don't give you
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: a straight line because somebodys are looking a little too
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: like they took a ruler to.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: Your head, like, you know, get it, get it plucked
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: a little bit.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, make it look human.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: Give yourself some edges, my guys. Anyways, Yeah, thank you
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: for being on the show.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: Thank you for having We always.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: Ask where would you like to be found?
• 1:18:31
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• 1:18:32
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• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm really proud of this. This is the
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: first special, this is the first special that I've ever released.
• 1:18:38
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• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: do you find you know?
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: Things are?
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is why I love this pod. Too.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: It's like you take stuff that's like kind of dark
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: and you make it funny, but you also educate the people.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: And I feel like that's the special is kind of
• 1:18:50
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• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: making it funny and trying to find a way to
• 1:18:53
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• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: rebellion and that's important in these times, so that you
• 1:18:59
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• 1:19:01
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• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: from people, like with a story over time versus just
• 1:19:14
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• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: time is like very fun in comedy to me. And
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: that's like same most exciting part.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 3: So yeah, it's obviously that's what we do a story
• 1:19:23
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• 1:19:24
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• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: I love that youngtulations beginning, middle, and end.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: You always see on social media, Yeah, social media shipped
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: from ship from Karen from Kiaren, not with Kiaren. We're
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: not on the toilet together.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 3: That's crazy, yes that is, but ship from Kieren very normal.
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  Speaker 1: Find very normal and definitely not made before I thought
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: about cursing in an Instagram title.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think it works now. You're not gonna
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: find another shit from Karen.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: No, you won't, but you will have a lot of
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: people asking you shit with Kieren, shit at Kieran, shit
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: on Curen.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: No, definitely not on Kirien or with her or around her. Yeah,
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: shit around Karen position the ship. It's from Kiaren, shipped
• 1:20:09
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