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AI On The Barn Aisle · Equestrian Tea Time

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Isabeau: Hello, everybody.
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Isabeau: Welcome back for another episode of Question Time.
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Isabeau: I am your host, Isabel Follis.
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Isabeau: My co-host is Emma Jacobson.
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Isabeau: And today Emma and I sit down to discuss AI and the horse industry.
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Isabeau: Emma designs websites, so she has a lot to say about the trials and tribulations of all these wonderful AI products.
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Isabeau: Are they good or bad?
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Isabeau: Are they helpful or not helpful if you're out there and you're a horse professional and you're trying to design your website?
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Isabeau: So we have a little discussion about AI and horses and then just computer accessibility in general.
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Isabeau: Being a manager on horse properties, I've had some very interesting struggles trying to get internet connected to the property and the bandwidth.
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Isabeau: This is an issue for a lot of us who are living and working on horse farms and living out in rural areas of the country.
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Isabeau: You may be in a place where you can get virtually no internet access.
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Isabeau: So all those wonderful AI stall monitoring cameras that they sell now so that you can monitor your horses and the stalls or in the field.
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Isabeau: Those aren't accessible to you if you can't get good quality broadband internet service stuff.
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Isabeau: Also, we're looking for guests.
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Isabeau: So if you have uh any horse-related topics or issues or specialties you'd like to discuss, uh please reach out to us.
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Isabeau: You can uh email Emma at emma jakinsondressage at gmail.com or email me at isabosolis at gmail.com.
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Isabeau: We look forward to chatting with you about uh whatever your horsing related topic of interest is.
1:41
Isabeau: Thanks for listening.
1:43
Isabeau: So we are gathered here together on this lovely July day to discover uh to discuss AI and the horse industry.
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Isabeau: I hadn't thought about it much.
1:53
Isabeau: I've been playing around with it.
1:55
Isabeau: And then you mentioned that you had strong opinions.
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Isabeau: So I am very curious what your strong opinions about AI and the horse industry are.
2:02
Isabeau: So I'll I'll I'll let you go.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, I don't I think it's a systemic issue, and I have issues with stuff going on in my community regarding AI and the effects it has on all of us, and I fear young people is what I worry about.
2:21
SPEAKER_00: Um, and I fear for art itself with AI.
2:26
SPEAKER_00: I fear those robots that are run with AI, and I've heard of some issues with like military stuff and even practicing, and it just sounds very scary and like what we were warned about in sci-fi movies since I was a little kid.
2:45
SPEAKER_00: And then everybody started coming out with AI, but I did notice like now that I've been really reflecting on it, that it's been uh people who are probably paid to do so, and people who uh have really big companies and really big things, but they were you know, these social media people that I'm looking to to run my business were really hyping up the AI, right?
3:11
SPEAKER_00: And then in my personal experience, my issue with it in practice, well, one of them I have many, is just that it's been really irritating.
3:21
SPEAKER_00: Like I just this week had to move my website and I started out by using um I I don't know if I should say any website hosting because like yeah that's okay.
3:38
SPEAKER_00: No, you don't if you don't want to from one to another, but one of them had AI.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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Isabeau: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: And I am a web designer and a graphic designer a little bit, but I know how to use like Photoshop and HTML and things, and I've gotten really used to building websites on these hosting platforms, and what's happened over the past year is a lot of companies were like melding, conglomerating, their apps didn't work, I couldn't run my websites.
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SPEAKER_00: I've switched websites like three, four times, and then every I mean, because I just started a new business, so I had I started a website and moved it, but then I've had a lot of issues with my fourth websites and for freelance clients, right?
4:20
SPEAKER_00: And then I've also noticed that since they've added all these new wonderful features, right?
4:28
SPEAKER_00: The price doubles on you.
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SPEAKER_00: So something that used to be like twenty dollars a month is 40 now, and then I'm having to there's the only way to get my website built in that platform is to describe to AI what I want, and it tries to spit out what I want.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's very hard to even navigate around the AI and find just like a theme template or what have you.
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SPEAKER_00: And then my other issue with these kinds of AI is just that what it spits out is often wrong, sometimes it's not spelled correctly, and as a dyslexic person, it feels like going through and editing my own papers all the time, like it wants to spit out item descriptions on my items that I have to go like it seems like it would be helpful, but since I have to go back and fix every mistake, and there's so many mistakes, even in just like the description I said, it didn't spit it out on all the items or what have you.
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SPEAKER_00: It actually becomes more confusing for somebody like me who's trying to like look through all of this data and find spelling mistakes and description mistakes.
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SPEAKER_00: I would much rather just type it out and copy and paste it.
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Isabeau: You know what I mean?
5:48
Isabeau: Gotcha.
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Isabeau: Yeah, yeah.
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Isabeau: No, I can see that.
5:50
Isabeau: I used uh Buzz Sprout for this podcast here.
5:53
Isabeau: The the plan that I had paid for was audio only.
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Isabeau: So I had to split the audio off of the Zoom things, which is actually uh it takes uh took me a little figuring out.
6:05
Isabeau: But then they basically are trying to push me to upgrade to uh so that I can download it off the video.
6:13
Isabeau: So uh they're they're basically kind of maneuvered it to try to push me up to pay more.
6:18
Isabeau: Um, so they're like, we offer you this cool new service.
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Isabeau: We'll run the video form of your podcast and we'll put it on YouTube.
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Isabeau: Oh, but that program, that deal we had that was very cheap, well, that's not available in anymore now.
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Isabeau: It costs more.
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Isabeau: So uh yes, and I'm just using it.
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Isabeau: Um I'm not using it for my real business.
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Isabeau: So uh, you know, this is just kind of a hobby thing for me to do on the side to talk to horse people and that kind of stuff.
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Isabeau: So yeah, when I go into the transcript, for some reason, your name, it always calls you Imogen, I M-O-G-E-N.
6:57
Isabeau: I must say Emma weird because it keeps wanting to call your name weird.
7:01
Isabeau: You would think Isabel would be wrong.
7:03
Isabeau: No, the Emma for some reason, I must be saying things weird.
7:07
Isabeau: Um, it keeps putting your name weird.
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Isabeau: And I so I go in and check it briefly, but then I'm like, eh.
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Isabeau: Um, but yes, if since you're running it as your business, all those little errors are going to be a lot more obnoxious for sure.
7:21
Isabeau: Um, I didn't realize how many like the Pivot uses an A AI.
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Isabeau: I wasn't even thinking about that far part.
7:28
Isabeau: And then I see now there's a bunch of.
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Isabeau: I know somebody who's bought into the Atlas camera system, but then when I I asked Claude here, because I subscribed to Claude just to see what Claude was like, there's actually a bunch.
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Isabeau: There's Atlas Alert, Horsery, H O R C E R R Y, Acura's Stable One.
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Isabeau: These are all AI cameras that you put in the barn that are supposed to monitor your horse's activity and how much they eat and how much they poop and how much they circle and lay down.
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Isabeau: And then if they do something unusual, get back to you and tell you that, you know, by the way, so-and-so horse has been getting up and down a lot, uh a lot more.
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Isabeau: Um, but I what I didn't realize was that there's already a bunch of them.
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Isabeau: And this was just like the five that I pulled up.
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Isabeau: There's probably a hundred.
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Isabeau: And I know that people are trying to pump out all of these stable management programs, which I cannot possibly, I'm not gonna live through having to sit here and enter all the information for all these horses.
8:26
Isabeau: Entering the horses.
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Isabeau: It's like uh a horse show entry form, only worse, you know.
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Isabeau: And in order to get the system started, you've got to manually all that.
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Isabeau: I'm not gonna live through that.
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Isabeau: So I'm not gonna even drop you doing one of those things.
8:41
Isabeau: Um, it's funny you brought up young people because I have off work today.
8:45
Isabeau: So I got the movie uh good luck, have fun, don't die, and uh, which is kind of a fun sci-fi romp movie.
8:54
Isabeau: And it has a horde of zombie teenagers looking at their phones.
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Isabeau: They've got the very classic zombie movie stance, except they've got their phone in their hand.
9:05
Isabeau: And uh, let's see if I can get the they can't say got the phone in their hand and their arms stretched out and their faces illuminated from the light of their cell phone screen as they walk.
9:16
Isabeau: So, yes, they they have a horde of teenage zombies attached to their cell phones that are the main evil zombie horde.
9:25
Isabeau: So that was uh pretty uh funny.
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Isabeau: And and and art.
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Isabeau: Art has been interesting.
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Isabeau: I see um what pops up on YouTube, all kinds of steampunk videos uh created with AI.
9:39
Isabeau: I hear there's amazing music that's been that's that that's been made that's really good.
9:44
Isabeau: So yes, I I think that some of the vocal are art artists.
9:49
Isabeau: Um the crazy robots.
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Isabeau: I know I've seen uh news clips of police officers who who pulled over a Waymo that was like not only driving through a construction zone, but like in the wrong lane, going in the opposite direction or something.
10:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and there's now horror movies about being stuck in your car because it's driving itself and like yes, they're made art about it.
10:13
SPEAKER_00: But in on a like broader sense, there's an AI data center going up in my town.
10:19
SPEAKER_00: It's only going to bring in a thousand jobs, which isn't much for like I live in a very big city, um, and there's three environmental organizations reviewing and lawsuiting them right now, but a lot of them have gone in places and now we're starting to cut power in one state over this.
10:42
SPEAKER_00: Like they should shut their data centers down before cutting power some of the day.
10:46
Isabeau: Yeah.
10:47
Isabeau: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: To these people in the middle of the summer, mind you.
10:51
SPEAKER_00: Um, there's you know, things looking a lot like um the fracking industry where we could mess up some water, there's environmental issues that will affect all of us.
11:04
SPEAKER_00: And then I'm seeing young people ask AI absolutely everything.
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SPEAKER_00: There I mean, from advice about horses to witchcraft to um, you know, systemic issues, philosophy, um, having AI make music for them, they just write it and they don't sing it and they don't learn how to play music.
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SPEAKER_00: Um there's just a lot of things that seem pretty scary, but mostly the critical thinking and the kind of critical thinking you learn from school by doing research.
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SPEAKER_00: And even as far back as what the middle of COVID, like 2023, we had AI software for college looking through papers to see if we had AI write it for us when Chat GBT was still just in its testing phase.
12:04
SPEAKER_00: But actually, so it turns out neurodivergent people might sound a bit like a robot um and like spell correct everything perfectly and have perfect grammar.
12:14
SPEAKER_00: And so I actually got a couple uh inquiries about a couple of my college papers way back then when I absolutely didn't even use AI to do anything.
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SPEAKER_00: Um so these are all like not great, I think, and so they just outweigh my like of anything useful, I guess.
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Isabeau: Yeah, no, there's all types of ways in which they're weighing things against a typical.
12:46
Isabeau: I remember a couple of uh, and that's just a generic technology thing.
12:50
Isabeau: There's a couple of famous cases where um either people have been convicted or not convicted.
12:55
Isabeau: There was one famous uh child custody case where a woman, I think, had to submit DNA for something.
13:03
Isabeau: And it turns out that she's some kind of funky, unique genetic combination.
13:07
Isabeau: Like she's a she's a conjoined, she's her own conjoined twin.
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Isabeau: Like she was two different eggs that merged.
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Isabeau: She's a chimera.
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Isabeau: She's got multiple DN DNA sets.
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Isabeau: So her DNA did not match her kids, and the state took her kids away from her because people had decided, well, the DNA says the DNA is flawless, and it is way not flawless at all.
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Isabeau: Um, and that took her quite some time.
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Isabeau: There's been a and uh getting it back to the AI stuff.
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Isabeau: There's similar stuff too.
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Isabeau: I know somebody who um her mother could open up her phone because her mother looked enough like her that her mother could access the facial recognition on on her phone.
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SPEAKER_00: I was just in bed for a couple days with like a migraine, and probably I won't see like a massage therapist or chiropractor because of traveling a horse, and just like she wanted to turn around.
14:03
SPEAKER_00: I wanted her to back out and some things.
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SPEAKER_00: She was very nervous at the vet, so oh yeah.
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Isabeau: Is this uh a recent thing?
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Isabeau: You took a horse to the vet reason recently?
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, this week, and she is staying over there until he fits her in for a hysterectomy, actually.
14:22
Isabeau: Oh really?
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Isabeau: I did I had no idea they even do that to to horses, so not just removing the old ovaries, but removing the the the the uterus too.
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SPEAKER_00: Sounds like it.
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SPEAKER_00: He described he said it was a hysterectomy, right?
14:36
SPEAKER_00: Oh wow, okay, cool.
14:40
SPEAKER_00: Just take the ovaries or uh some sort of tube type.
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SPEAKER_00: I have no idea, but he is gonna go in like from her um they're not gonna layer down and and go um from her abdomen, they're gonna go like through her anus like anus area adjacent and have her stay standing up and like local sedation.
15:05
SPEAKER_00: Oh wow knocking her out all the way.
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SPEAKER_00: He does like the fancier surgery and it is uh surprisingly cheap, but it is a little bit of a risky surgery, but she had uh cyst or cancer this big almost calories.
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SPEAKER_00: She should be coming up on 18.
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SPEAKER_00: And she's also had like weight issues for a long, long time and hormone issues for a you know, probably five at least five years out of the eight I've had her.
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SPEAKER_00: So um, she's continuing to get larger and larger despite her limited diet, and so I think that the best thing's a lot of that has to do with whatever is on her ovary as well, or her hormones being out of wax.
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SPEAKER_00: So we're just gonna go ahead and get rid of all of that.
15:57
SPEAKER_00: Um I'll get us back to the the AI thing here.
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SPEAKER_00: Honestly, we have to double check it, and every time I use claw or uh it's more about being cautious and like admitting to these issues.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't think it's like um other than the data centers, I'm it's fine.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, but you shouldn't think that it's telling you the truth.
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SPEAKER_00: It's true and there's just it lacks nuance and we're relying on it in the the wrong way.
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SPEAKER_00: I think when when the things first started, it was like helping you uh do these smaller things, but it if if we take our critical thinking away especially in the horse industry, I think we're in big trouble.
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SPEAKER_00: Very, you know, a lot of interesting things can happen, but I don't think it's bad when it's useful and simple.
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Isabeau: Yes.
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Isabeau: So you said you so I haven't tried to design a website in a long time.
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Isabeau: So most of the programs you're using now they do verbal prompts.
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Isabeau: It's not like where you sit down with a fake desktop and move fake paper around.
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Isabeau: It's it's verbal prompts to have it build it build it now.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it it wants to hear about your brand and you know, you can be as specific as you want.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, and then honestly, it wasn't very good, also.
17:23
SPEAKER_00: It just wasn't very smart.
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SPEAKER_00: It wasn't if I wrote too much, it was like, you start over.
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SPEAKER_00: It and I would ask simple things like I want buttons to be purple, I want you know you to say this, and on top of that, it threw up script that was often like misspelled and made no sense on all of the all over the website, right?
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SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna have to go to all these pages and items and just instead of just putting my items in and um picking a theme or drag and drop or even old more old school is putting some code in and they are making it very hard to even do that, and you need to be able to do that to have say a free email sign-up pop up on your website.
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SPEAKER_00: If you don't want to pay for that, then you need to put it into the code of your home page so it pops up, and they made it very difficult to even find that because they want you to use the AI, and then if you have a problem, there's no um like QA section anymore.
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SPEAKER_00: It's a chat bot that eventually is like, I don't know what to tell you.
18:37
Isabeau: Like, oh, I don't know what to tell you.
18:38
Isabeau: All right, so uh let me bring you back to the my internet froze a little bit right after I asked you the uh the question.
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Isabeau: So the programs that you're using, they aren't so in the beginning, it was an electronic desktop.
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Isabeau: So you still were moving things around as if they were pieces of paper and and and typing in in words, so they're not really an electronic desktop sent in anymore.
19:02
Isabeau: They want you to use to type in an instructional prompt.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh wow, and then it'll spit out a website.
19:11
Isabeau: Oh boy, so you can't even get the kind of so the easy access website things are all using prompts, you can't even do a virtual desktop, or you probably can, but it's harder.
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Isabeau: You have to go dig up the pro program.
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Isabeau: Did I freeze on you?
19:32
Isabeau: Yes, hi.
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SPEAKER_00: You got me okay, you're back.
19:37
Isabeau: All right, geez, we're having all right.
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Isabeau: As far as I I can tell, so last time you froze on me, it looks like that this time I forever froze on you.
19:44
Isabeau: Tell you what, let me take my video down for a second.
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SPEAKER_00: So um 5G on it installed my Wi-Fi.
19:55
Isabeau: Sure.
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Isabeau: All right, um, technically, so here we are.
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Isabeau: If AI wants to rule the world, it'll have to make sure we all have enough broadband because it's never gonna rule the world at this rate.
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Isabeau: Um put some infrastructure there.
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Isabeau: Yes, I know, yes.
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Isabeau: Well, yeah, I mean, it was uh as I was um thinking about this, the the uh the questions that uh I had asked Claude, what should we talk about when we talk about AAI and the horse in industry?
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Isabeau: It's still really limited, like the property where I live on, we have cameras, but we had to get Vidium installed, and then Vidium sometimes has days where it just decides it's not going to cooperate and everything slows down.
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Isabeau: So the cameras don't don't work, you know, like it won't be able to upload all of the uh images.
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Isabeau: So we did install cameras and we did put Wi-Fi in the barn and put up these cameras, but because like the network is a little hanky, it may or may not work at a particularly given moment.
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SPEAKER_00: Come to think of it, I actually have like a$150 camera that can track properly with AI, people or hor animals or cars, right?
21:15
SPEAKER_00: And I got that after like death threats against my horses from a client that I parted ways with.
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SPEAKER_00: But, anyways, I never got to put the cameras up because the my internet's not good enough.
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SPEAKER_00: It's just never gonna work.
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Isabeau: Yes, yes.
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Isabeau: No, you've gotta have enough uh band bandwidth.
21:35
Isabeau: When I was uh at another farm in another state, the property owner had purchased the property and with the explicit understanding that they were going to be running fiber cable down to the property from the road.
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Isabeau: Well, I guess the fiber cable that they use is the they can't cut it.
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Isabeau: They have to manufacture it in specific lengths.
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Isabeau: That's what the guys told us.
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Isabeau: It they were running it down to a horse.
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Isabeau: Farm, so the guys were not particularly thrilled about coming down to install our cable for our horse farm.
22:06
Isabeau: And the whole thing got to be like a Monty Python skit.
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Isabeau: They came out over and over and over again.
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Isabeau: A couple of different cars would come.
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Isabeau: Guys would get out of the car, they'd walk around, they'd paint lines on the ground, they'd like scratch their chin, they'd hum and haw, they'd ask us questions, they get back in their truck and they'd leave.
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Isabeau: And they did this several times and they did not install it.
22:32
Isabeau: And then finally, somebody comes to install it.
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Isabeau: One guy shows up, he goes here, he goes there, he puts his hands on his hips.
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Isabeau: This is a job for more than one person.
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Isabeau: Gets back in his truck and leaves.
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Isabeau: And they came out there many times.
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Isabeau: And it just got to be like it was a joke.
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Isabeau: They finally got it installed.
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Isabeau: It worked for literally one day and then it stopped working.
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Isabeau: I then had to go back to the company.
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Isabeau: They didn't believe me that it wasn't working because from their end they thought that it was.
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Isabeau: We then had to have people come out.
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Isabeau: And every time a guy came out, he investigated it so far up the line.
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Isabeau: He said, okay, well, everything works up to this point.
23:15
Isabeau: I'll send somebody out again in a few days.
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Isabeau: That was literally another four or five visits for them.
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Isabeau: The problem wound up being way up the road, way up the street at some junction box far, far, far off.
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Isabeau: But it was like, no joke, nearly 20 visits from these tech installers to get this stuff done.
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Isabeau: I spent so much time on it.
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Isabeau: The other employee at the farm was getting angry with me because I kept running around with the internet on the property.
23:49
Isabeau: Um, so yeah, great idea if you can get that much capacity installed on your farm.
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SPEAKER_00: Seriously, that has been our problem with getting some guests and like I have lots of internet problems, and they can't give me the fiber here.
24:09
Isabeau: So yeah, yeah.
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Isabeau: Well, the fiber isn't even we're on fiber right now, and it is not in any way, stretch, or form 100% reliable.
24:17
Isabeau: It slows down.
24:18
Isabeau: We go through times where it just starts dropping stuff.
24:20
Isabeau: It it it just I'll be here on my day off watching YouTube, and it'll be like every 30 seconds.
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Isabeau: Internet was dropped, it was restored, internet was dropped, it was restored again up and down, up and down.
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Isabeau: Um, so yeah, so uh yeah, that's is you still have to have uh, and when I lived in Pennsylvania, I happened to live on the high side of the county, but a lot of people lived down by the river, and you couldn't get any signal down there.
24:51
Isabeau: There was like like like nothing.
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Isabeau: So if you lived in a certain part of town, you couldn't get internet.
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Isabeau: Matter of fact, my friends' farm people across the street moved in at the beginning of COVID and they literally put the house back on the market in less than two weeks because their kids had to go to school online.
25:11
Isabeau: So I show up at the farm, I'm like, how's your new neighbors?
25:14
Isabeau: They're like, they put the house on the market, they're leaving because their kids can't go to school at home because there's no internet in the house.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, I also applied for a few remote jobs and they check your internet connection.
25:30
SPEAKER_00: Oh wow, definitely don't have the internet connection.
25:33
SPEAKER_00: That's good.
25:34
Isabeau: That's very annoying.
25:36
Isabeau: Um, so yeah, when you think about it, yeah, that you've got gotta have in internet access.
25:41
Isabeau: Yeah, that that's gonna be a downside for uh different parts of the country further contributing to our political divide.
25:49
Isabeau: Yes, yes, it will.
25:52
Isabeau: Folks out in the sticks having access or not have having access.
25:57
Isabeau: Um, yeah, no, this.
25:59
Isabeau: I mean, I'm getting some idea of what it must have been like when they laid the railroad across the middle of the country and they dramatically changed things really fast.
26:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I think also just all of us have just like quite a bit of whiplash.
26:13
SPEAKER_00: We're like, we're trying to do what everyone's telling us on the internet, um, for our businesses and what have you.
26:21
SPEAKER_00: And the message is like, put out as much as you can, use AI, use all these expensive tools, and then we're losing access to free tools, um, as like webs, things like that.
26:36
SPEAKER_00: And it just it gets really overwhelming, and I think it's stopping us from just making art, and like that's what horsemanship is about to me, is like really having a connection, and we talk about these philosophical things and the horse industry and how we treat animals, and so I think we need we need to focus in because like I with ADHD I just get so distracted by all of this advice and all of these different platforms, and yeah, I'm glad we still have this podcast and that you keep us a little bit focused too.
27:11
Isabeau: Oh well, no, I like the podcast a lot, and yeah, I mean it is because it it's just so hard to talk to people online when there's not a fit.
27:20
Isabeau: Well, people have different levels of how involved they want to be in the discussion.
27:25
Isabeau: So people are coming from all different places with all different intensity levels in terms of how much they care, or whether they're just there to be a troll.
27:35
Isabeau: So it can be hard to have any kind of serious conversation.
27:39
Isabeau: Whereas if somebody shows up to your podcast, then yes, hopefully they're interested in.
27:43
Isabeau: And you get to meet great people like Karen Fulcher and we talk to Dideria, the lady of Steph K Equestrian.
27:50
Isabeau: I've talked to all kinds of really cool uh folks and had much more productive conversations doing this than when I'm on the Chronicle of the Horse discussion board.
27:59
Isabeau: Um, you know, but I'm in the forums.
28:03
Isabeau: Yes, yes, yes, the forums.
28:04
SPEAKER_00: And we get off the Facebook comments, yes.
28:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think it's really great that we're able to have like a platform to sit down with people who have different perspectives and see that we're all people and we're all living in a very like hectic like technological world, and we're all just trying to figure out how to make a living or keep working with our horses and living our dream because it's it's a privilege to be able to afford it's hard.
28:37
Isabeau: So yes, that's probably a really good point.
28:41
Isabeau: Um, we could take this opportunity to invite anybody who hears our podcast.
28:45
Isabeau: We love talking to um people in the horse world.
28:50
Isabeau: If you want to join us and chat with us about whatever your specialty is in the horse industry, whether it's a breed or a discipline.
28:57
SPEAKER_00: Um, definitely.
28:58
SPEAKER_00: We would just love to hear from people professional or not on their different perspectives and um thoughts on where this industry is going, really.
29:09
SPEAKER_00: Like, I think that this podcast has been a lot about giving people some hope and some information and just motivating them.
29:18
SPEAKER_00: So we'd love to also hear about anything that you feel is being missed, um, something that's unique that you're doing with training, you know.
29:27
SPEAKER_00: We want to hear um from different people on what they're doing and and how it's different for them, I think.
29:35
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
29:36
Isabeau: All right, I think that is, I think you've hit on it good.
29:39
Isabeau: I'm gonna go um I'll go make some posts online.
29:43
Isabeau: Uh, what are we not talking about in the horse industry that we need to talk about more?
29:48
Isabeau: So I will put an in invite out and see if anyone wants to join us for that.
29:54
Isabeau: Um, all right.
29:55
Isabeau: Is there anything else that you want to say about AI?
29:58
Isabeau: No, I I think we discussed it thoroughly.
30:01
Isabeau: All right, cool.
30:02
Isabeau: All right, well, I'm glad this worked out and we can get together and chat.
30:06
Isabeau: Everything goes well with your mayor.
30:08
Isabeau: So good luck.
30:09
Isabeau: Thank you.
30:09
Isabeau: Fingers crossed.
30:11
SPEAKER_00: Yes, thank you very much.
30:13
SPEAKER_00: I am a little bit worried, but it's very scary.
30:17
Isabeau: Yes.
30:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
30:19
SPEAKER_00: Um, yep.
30:21
SPEAKER_00: Cool.
30:22
SPEAKER_00: All righty.
30:23
SPEAKER_00: Any thoughts on on the next topic?
30:26
SPEAKER_00: And just so I can think on it, or if we have any optimization.
30:30
Isabeau: That's a good.
30:31
Isabeau: Uh let me think about that.
30:33
Isabeau: I'll get back to you with some ideas.
30:35
Isabeau: Um, I'll ask the question of where is the horse industry go going?
30:41
Isabeau: You know what would be really interesting is if we could get somebody who knows something about the law.
30:45
Isabeau: Boarding barn owners get people who don't pay the bills, and then people who pay board get boarding barn owners who don't feed the horses, or have dangerous conditions like the fencing's in bad shape.
30:59
Isabeau: Or what if your horse gets kicked by another horse on in during turnout and stuff?
31:04
Isabeau: There's all kinds of legal issues relating to the horse in industry.
31:09
Isabeau: So it would be cool if we could find somebody who knows something about the law who could give us some rules probably change from state to state, but what are the good questions that you should ask?
31:20
Isabeau: Whether before you bring in boarders, before you hire someone, before you sign a boarding contract, before you agree to work for somebody, as you learned when you worked at the lovely fantastic Frisians of Majesty.
31:36
Isabeau: And they told you, since you're not working here, get out of the house tonight, you know.
31:40
SPEAKER_00: Um, they were like, We we were not gonna give you a ride out of the middle of nowhere for a week.
31:48
SPEAKER_00: So then I found my own way out.
31:50
SPEAKER_00: Because otherwise I was just sitting there with the not doing barn tours, yeah, with the other interns um like tackling me, and we all shared like uh six of us shared a room.
32:04
SPEAKER_00: It's not gonna be good.
32:07
Isabeau: That sounds rough, yes, yes.
32:10
Isabeau: No, no, I had somebody once um say that uh they they I had to um uh move to a different part of the property because they were going to uh hire somebody else to do to do the job.
32:27
Isabeau: And um so they wanted me to get out of the apartment so they could show the apartment to somebody else and move into the the basement with the other other staff.
32:38
Isabeau: Move move into the back room of the of the basement, which is where they wanted me to stay until I I I I left.
32:45
Isabeau: Absolutely.
32:46
Isabeau: So move move all of my stuff out of the apartment into the back room of the um of the uh basement.
32:54
Isabeau: I was like, you know, yeah, no, these things can really deteriorate if the job doesn't work out and you're gonna leave.
33:00
Isabeau: What happens then?
33:02
Isabeau: That's one that's one legal issue.
33:05
Isabeau: So yes, let me uh let me see if I can find somebody or we will put a request out there for somebody who knows something about about the law who could uh give people some general advice about where where to start when you're getting into some of these common situations.
33:21
Isabeau: I either working for or hiring people or offering board or looking to have your horse boarded somewhere, maybe an insurance agent.
33:32
Isabeau: Good thinking.
33:33
Isabeau: That's why that's why I keep you around, Emma.
33:37
Isabeau: So you can come.
33:40
Isabeau: All right, pool beans, lady.
33:42
Isabeau: I will let you go.
33:44
Isabeau: Stay cool and uh good luck with everything with your uh mayor.
33:47
Isabeau: Yeah, you too.
33:49
Isabeau: All right.
33:51
Isabeau: Alrighty, to take care, but bye-bye.