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Heavy are the Breasts · Like a Virgin

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  Speaker 1: Here's the mail It never fails. It makes me want
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  Speaker 1: to wag my tail. Everybody once, so well, mail are
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  Speaker 1: we going to do that? I just did? Forgive me, mother,
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  Speaker 1: for I have sinned. It's been thirty three years since
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  Speaker 1: my last confession, which I guess is implying that I
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  Speaker 1: confessed in the womb. Yeah, of course we all do spiritually.
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  Speaker 1: And I've been a bad bad girl. That a very
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  Speaker 1: bad girl. Tell me, my daughter, what do you have
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  Speaker 1: on your heart? An a cup? Like a small b
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  Speaker 1: This is so hard to say. I didn't prepare a
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  Speaker 1: topic for this podcast episode, and I need how heavy
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  Speaker 1: eart the breasts that whole of this, this burden my daughter.
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm so sorry that you are carrying this weight,
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  Speaker 1: and um, I'm here to help you. It's okay. I'm
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  Speaker 1: wearing a skims bra. Wow, how how interesting my daughter,
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  Speaker 1: I too, am wearing a floor length skims down. Um.
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  Speaker 1: The only solution really is for you to do I
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  Speaker 1: don't know five to ten suggestions from our mail bag
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  Speaker 1: from a come down are we're not calling it okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm breaking on breaking character. We are calling it that
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  Speaker 1: come down. This is like a virgin of the show
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  Speaker 1: where we take loads. No, it's not. You know, we
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  Speaker 1: felt like it would be nice to change up the
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  Speaker 1: format of today's episode. We have gotten tons of suggestions
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  Speaker 1: by way of our voicemail on what episode topics we
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  Speaker 1: could potentially take on a k A. We saw some
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  Speaker 1: of the topics in the air table that are amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Producer Phoebe put together and said, that's a dumb idea,
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  Speaker 1: but we can tell talk about it for like thirty seconds. No. Um, well,
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  Speaker 1: but we love you listeners. That's it. There we go.
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  Speaker 1: We always like to end on a high note. There, yes, um,
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  Speaker 1: so let's start listening to some of these calls and
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  Speaker 1: giving you our live, horny reactions by love. Okay, but
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  Speaker 1: before we get there, we we we have to you know,
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  Speaker 1: go through today's like internet garbage and news. Right, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm so horny, So you know, rose, Um, we are
• 2:35
  Speaker 1: recording the day after the Oscars, and you know, there
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  Speaker 1: there's something that happened that I feel like it's at
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  Speaker 1: the forefront of everyone's brains right now. Um, something really controversial,
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  Speaker 1: which is that you know, like the Chrispians are, we're
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  Speaker 1: in mourning right now. It's it's it's a huge loss
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  Speaker 1: for the community. Ye as it turns out there's not
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  Speaker 1: a possibility. I feel like, okay, was she spected to
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  Speaker 1: win or was it kind of a toss up between
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  Speaker 1: her and Jessica. I think last fall into the Holidays,
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  Speaker 1: people were like, Kristen's winning the oscar, and then as
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  Speaker 1: we entered two, people started realizing, like, that's probably not
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  Speaker 1: gonna happen. Yeah, I did not think it was going
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  Speaker 1: to be Jessica, and I saw eyes of Tammy Faye.
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  Speaker 1: Really liked her performance, and even though like I don't
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  Speaker 1: have much of a frame of reference for Tammy Faye Baker,
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  Speaker 1: the movie was fine. I think it could have been
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  Speaker 1: sharper and funnier, maybe a little meaner, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: people love that kind of transformational role. So similarly, I
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  Speaker 1: adored Jessica in the movie. I thought her encapsulation of
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  Speaker 1: the character was like NonStop fun to watch. I agree
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  Speaker 1: that like the movie, Like, I don't know why we
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  Speaker 1: needed such a sympathetic kind of portrayal of her, Like
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  Speaker 1: I would have loved to see her couplicity in this
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  Speaker 1: situation because clearly, like there's no way there was all
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  Speaker 1: this like kind of like money laundering and like for
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  Speaker 1: going on like she gets off Scott Free, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean? Yeah, there were some rose colored glasses
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  Speaker 1: like you know what, Jessica. I guess she's like one
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  Speaker 1: of the girls who had to win at some point.
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  Speaker 1: So this is probably the movie that it makes the
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  Speaker 1: most sense for her to win for, especially since he
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  Speaker 1: was she was so invested in it. She's been investing
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  Speaker 1: in Tammy Face story for like, isn't almost like ten
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  Speaker 1: years or something like She's she bought the rights in
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  Speaker 1: I think, But listen, my main issue with Jessica is
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  Speaker 1: that I don't know why the dress she wore for
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  Speaker 1: the Vandy Fair party was not the dress that she
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  Speaker 1: wore for the Red Carpet, And this was kind of
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  Speaker 1: an issue all around. The Red carpet looks for the
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  Speaker 1: Oscars were bad, They're boring out, and the and the
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  Speaker 1: Vanity Fair party looks were incredible. My best dress of
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  Speaker 1: the night Dako to Johnson, Really to Johnson and Gucci.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I didn't even see it is immaculate.
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  Speaker 1: My note about the Red car it is Jessica Chastain
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  Speaker 1: and Nicole Kidman both should have sported the draggy blocked
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  Speaker 1: brows of the characters that they played for the ass
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  Speaker 1: they should have done earlier. James Charlis No, yeah, full divine,
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  Speaker 1: just like drawn on blocked Elmer's blued down brows. Also,
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  Speaker 1: Hunter Shaffer's Rick Owens dress was really great and she
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  Speaker 1: was styled very well as well. Hunter Shaver was definitely
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  Speaker 1: maybe my best dressed for the night as well. I
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  Speaker 1: loved Maggie gillen Hall. I did like her Scarelli Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this hangar. I love all like Scaparelli, like gold, like
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  Speaker 1: you know, embellishments whatever. I thought Timmy was worth the hype.
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  Speaker 1: I thought like people were freaking out about it, and
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  Speaker 1: I thought he looked great. I kind of agreed. Also
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  Speaker 1: loved Codie Smith McPhee and that like baby blue Botega suit.
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  Speaker 1: So I guess we do have to address the slap
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  Speaker 1: herd round the world. Well. Actually, Jada also was best
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  Speaker 1: dressed for the night for me. I thought she looked.
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  Speaker 1: I thought she looked. I loved her dress. I loved
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  Speaker 1: the color of it, and I loved the sense of
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  Speaker 1: drama that I did not love the specifics of the
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  Speaker 1: drafts um. I was on a plane when the slap
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  Speaker 1: heard around the world. Have you landed to it. I
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  Speaker 1: landed and it had happened like two hours ago. I
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  Speaker 1: can't believe you didn't pay for internet. I mean, I
• 6:18
  Speaker 1: love not having the internet on a plane. You pay
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  Speaker 1: for in planes all the time. I do when I
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  Speaker 1: need to work. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but this was one
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  Speaker 1: of those nights where, you know, I'm kind of I
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  Speaker 1: was very it was a very manic night on the internet,
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  Speaker 1: and this is we're coming to Monday evening. Today on
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  Speaker 1: the internet has also been horrible. You know what, I
• 6:37
  Speaker 1: think celebrities should go away for a while. Yeah, I
• 6:40
  Speaker 1: think my My thing is just like sometimes especially with
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  Speaker 1: things like this, it's like sometimes this is an intracommunal
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  Speaker 1: conversation and like I don't know if I new just
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  Speaker 1: see these like white entertainment bloggers, like you know, making
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  Speaker 1: memes out of like what's happening right now? Sure, but
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  Speaker 1: it was such it's like a such a like this
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  Speaker 1: will never happen on live television. I just can't. I
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  Speaker 1: can't believe we are living through this. Yeah. Um, and
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  Speaker 1: it was a little hot anyway. Anyway, moving on from
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  Speaker 1: the oscars, because I'm sure by the time that's coming out,
• 7:11
  Speaker 1: everyone is sick of talking about it. You know, It's
• 7:13
  Speaker 1: one thing I'm not sick of talking about is the
• 7:15
  Speaker 1: Guilded Age, Which is funny because I pretty much never
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  Speaker 1: talked about it during the whole run of the show
• 7:21
  Speaker 1: because we record on Monday's, usually Monday mornings, and the
• 7:24
  Speaker 1: Gilded Age famously happens on Monday night. Famously. Um, it's
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  Speaker 1: a Monday night slot that's dark. Yeah, So I kind
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  Speaker 1: of never remembered to talk about it because you know,
• 7:35
  Speaker 1: the new episode wasn't coming until that night. The previous
• 7:38
  Speaker 1: episode had happened a full week before. But this past
• 7:42
  Speaker 1: week the season finale of The Gilded Age aired, and
• 7:46
  Speaker 1: I have to tell you, almost nothing happened all Stephen Stas.
• 7:50
  Speaker 1: The stakes are so low. But I have not enjoyed
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  Speaker 1: a TV show that much in such a long time.
• 7:56
  Speaker 1: I was in Guerrilla Grip of the Girls, the Girl's
• 8:00
  Speaker 1: Gaze and maybe They's of the Guilt. It was a
• 8:04
  Speaker 1: stunning season of television that also was bad. Um the
• 8:09
  Speaker 1: lead of the show. Who is Meryl Streep's daughter, worst
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  Speaker 1: actress on television? Um? But you know, beautiful gown Meryl
• 8:17
  Speaker 1: Streep's daughter, Meryl streeps daughter, she is so wooden and
• 8:22
  Speaker 1: there is no light behind her eyes. Um so, but
• 8:25
  Speaker 1: you enjoyed the serious question. The show was so good,
• 8:29
  Speaker 1: but it's but what do you mean by good? Because
• 8:31
  Speaker 1: everything you said before that doesn't sound a beautiful period
• 8:35
  Speaker 1: costume drama of people having indecipherable tension with each other.
• 8:41
  Speaker 1: Um it gets a lot of things wrong, Like you know,
• 8:43
  Speaker 1: it's by Julian Fellows who created Downton Abbey, and you
• 8:49
  Speaker 1: know it was really effective on Downton Abbey was that
• 8:51
  Speaker 1: it was this period drama that was about the above
• 8:54
  Speaker 1: and below of a big aristocratic house and the guilded ages,
• 8:59
  Speaker 1: not that like they kind of flirted with giving the
• 9:02
  Speaker 1: servants some storylines, but they were always like, that's forward.
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  Speaker 1: I want to get back to the rich people, you
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  Speaker 1: know what, like tried to talk about like new money
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  Speaker 1: and class and race and like to to to varying
• 9:12
  Speaker 1: levels of success. But I really loved the whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so excited there's going to be a season two.
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  Speaker 1: There is, yes, in season two. I need more sex.
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  Speaker 1: I need like a thousand percent more sex. There's a
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  Speaker 1: gay character on it. I need him to be horn here.
• 9:28
  Speaker 1: I need more gays. I need Christine Baranski to maybe
• 9:32
  Speaker 1: where Eyeliner. I've heard that the gay character is like
• 9:34
  Speaker 1: aggressively boring. Honestly, I haven't seen it, but like Christine
• 9:38
  Speaker 1: Baranski is probably gayer than this character, you know, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: in a way, in a way, Um, but I thirt
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  Speaker 1: I definitely recommend it to anyone who wants to watch.
• 9:46
  Speaker 1: I definitely won't watch, but I support you. Um. Speaking
• 9:51
  Speaker 1: of shows where nothing happened, we have yet another episode
• 9:54
  Speaker 1: of drag Race where no one was eliminated. I'm I'm
• 9:57
  Speaker 1: currently opening the window so I can ump out of it.
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  Speaker 1: When it happened, I laughed at because I was thinking
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: of you just tearing furniture up, and I was ripping
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: the wall paper on. I was in my mother's house
• 10:12
  Speaker 1: in Florida, just I was like, I don't live here.
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: I'm destroying everything. I you know. I will say this
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: was the one elimination where I was kind of okay
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  Speaker 1: with their being the chocolate bar. I thought it was
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: the perfect person to get the golden ticket. But at
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: the same time, we are fifty episodes into this season
• 10:32
  Speaker 1: and two girls have been eliminated, and you know, I
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: felt this episode was like actually kind of juicy and complex,
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: Like I didn't really understand a lot of what the
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: judges were doing. Like I really felt willow Hill, like
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  Speaker 1: one the episode, you know, with the Green Fairy, I
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  Speaker 1: thought Camden was amazing, but I was like, willow Hill
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  Speaker 1: won that. But I think they tried to say like
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  Speaker 1: that Willows like runway performance wasn't up to part. But like,
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  Speaker 1: here's the thing, and I feel like you will agree
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  Speaker 1: or have some sort of take on this. I need
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  Speaker 1: the judges to just say the runway matters or it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter. And it really differs from week to week,
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: and I think it also kind of matters depending on
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: like the producing of the storyline. It is infuriating they
• 11:16
  Speaker 1: do it when it's convenient for them, and I hate
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: that and I just wish that there was like a
• 11:21
  Speaker 1: separate evaluation. I want to see the scorecards. I want
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: I because I don't believe that there are and I
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  Speaker 1: want to see the fucking scorecards. And here's the other thing.
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  Speaker 1: Is like if I was a producer on the show,
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: I'd be like, you know what, we just need. Every
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: week there is like a Runway winner and it's like, congratulations,
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: lady Camden, you won the Runway, and that means absolutely
• 11:44
  Speaker 1: nothing like that would actually be really funny, you know,
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: but we know you won the runway, but it doesn't matter,
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: you know. I agree that Willow should have won based
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  Speaker 1: on the challenge because Lady Camden's win felt much more
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  Speaker 1: like the end result of the drama between the Queen
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  Speaker 1: rather than the actual performance that was happening on stage.
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  Speaker 1: Like it was very narratively satisfying with everything that happened
• 12:07
  Speaker 1: to her in Bosco, but what Willow did in the
• 12:10
  Speaker 1: rucicle was so much better. What's most important to take
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: away from this episode is that our girl George's has
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: come out in solidarity against theater faggots hates musical theater gays.
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  Speaker 1: Did you not love? I thought that was so fun.
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: It was funny, but I was also just too distracted
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  Speaker 1: by wanting to throw Deja out the window as well
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: because of that fucking look. She's a seamstress and she
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: has not looked good once on the right line. Not well. Actually,
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: I thought the shoulder pads look was like, fine, which
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  Speaker 1: shoulder pads look? The one because for the shoulder because
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: every episode has been a shoulder pads look for the
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  Speaker 1: shoulder pads challenge, which I actually felt like she should
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  Speaker 1: have won, but it wasn't It still wasn't that good.
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  Speaker 1: You know, all of her looks made me want to
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  Speaker 1: called better, help help me exactly. Um, just kind of
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: putting putting the shitty little cherry on top of this
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  Speaker 1: like garbage dump of a newsweek. Um. We didn't talk
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  Speaker 1: about or text about the fact that Putin defended J. K.
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  Speaker 1: Rowling very publicly. I've been trying to not engage with it.
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  Speaker 1: But it is funny how it kind of forced her hand,
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: but like she did not really like let herself be forced.
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  Speaker 1: There is actually like no other public figure that I
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: can think of that is more like Voldemort than Vladimir Putin,
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  Speaker 1: And it makes her look so bad to be defended
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  Speaker 1: by this man. Like what do you think is like,
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: it's it's kind of like, girl, look how fucking orange
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: your love. Literally it's like, I mean, obviously there's no
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: nuance to add to this conversation. It's just like the
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  Speaker 1: fucking it's just like we live in the most cursed
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  Speaker 1: time that is so curse, Like it's it's it's it
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  Speaker 1: is so cursed. Yes, But you know what, in the
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: midst of all of this, I was able to find
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: some joy through the escape of the movies. Because when
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: I was in Florida, my mom and I went to
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: see The Lost City the new Sandra Bolam com and
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: it was so fun and like, you know, some great
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  Speaker 1: little performances by some of our good Judy's Patty Harrison
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  Speaker 1: and Bowen Yange love to see the girls booked and busy.
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  Speaker 1: And also it was a tight hour in thirty minutes.
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  Speaker 1: Way you know, if I had a drag race scorecard,
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: length would be number one. I am so ready. I
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  Speaker 1: know it's not a summer blockbuster, but it felt like one.
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  Speaker 1: I'm ready. It felt when I went to see it
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  Speaker 1: at um four pm on a Thursday in Boca Raton, Florida,
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  Speaker 1: that theater was packed in March. And you're like, I
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: love summer like March, And that's how I know it's
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: going to be a hit. Yeah, I'm excited for that.
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: Probably get to sequel. Oh yeah, I would watch like
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, it has the makeup of everything I want
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: in a in a movie like that. Um, I watched
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: King Richard funny enough, I watched it on the plane
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: and then landed to the moment that is the most
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: plane movie and existence well that and the Greatest Showman.
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  Speaker 1: You know. That's so it was definitely a very good
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: plane movie. I thought it was gray. Obviously, Will Smith
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  Speaker 1: like earned that oscar Um I thought he would. He
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: totally disappeared into the character. I mean, what's funny is
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: that the character of the dad I thought was going
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: to be like kind of like his pursuit of happiness.
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: Air was like, this is like the most glowing, beautiful
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: superhero of a dad in existence, but he's actually like
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: a complete tyrant and a little bit of an asshole,
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: and like what he kind of does to Serena and
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: Venus is like very weird and hard to watch, especially
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: since it's so based in truth but has a character
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: he's like ultimately likable, which I was like, how did
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: you do that? You know? I wish that the portrayal
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: of the dad was less sympathetic. Obviously. It's like the
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: same thing like Tammy fay Baker. It's like this person
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  Speaker 1: is kind of bad, you know, Like I just wish
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: that Will Smith had a fall from grace and he
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: didn't have it in this movie. Well, I will literally
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: never watch it, but it's really I mean, the tennis
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: matches are they made me care about tennis. So did
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: they ever use the song tennis Court by Lord. No
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  Speaker 1: they didn't. Well, then it's a flop in my book. Yeah,
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: I agree, Yeah, or they didn't use any songs from
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: the band Tennis Tennis. No, it's very excited to move
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: on from awards season and move into our mail bag.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: Come down. We're not calling it the com the come down? Virgins,
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  Speaker 1: can you please advocate for us to call it something
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: that isn't the come down. I absolutely think that if
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: we pulled them, most of them would want us to
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: call it the compoune. Okay, first up, let's play our
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: first call. Hi, guys, love in the podcast than I
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: really think you guys that need to cover the classic
• 17:19
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• 17:26
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• 18:03
  Speaker 1: I was like, I had obviously heard a lot about it.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like a very Mimi movie. It's like
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: a kind of gay right of passage. I distinctly remember
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: being at a cast party for I think our production
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: of Flower Drums Song, um, and it was like on
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  Speaker 1: TV in the background. So I did see in my
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: youth the pool, the swimming pool, the infinite sex scene.
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  Speaker 1: I thought, it's a stunning movie and like would be
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: in a god tier kind of like echelon of movies
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: for me if it wasn't for a completely and nonsensical
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: and gratuitous like gang rape scene that happens at the
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: end that like really should just be taken out of
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: the movie and like has no place in like the film.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: But like I loved it outside of that, you know
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: what I mean. Yeah, I It's one of those movies
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: that I grew up like being aware of and then
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: always was like, Okay, I guess I'll have to watch
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: this one day because I'm gay. And then when I
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: finally watched it, it it was very anti climactic. And I
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: think it's a really bad movie, but not in a
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: way where I'm like into how bad it is or
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: like obsessed with its camping, as I just think it's bad.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: But Kyle McLaughlin is so hot in it. Oh yeah,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: I mean every everyone's hot in it, but Kyle McLaughlin especially,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: and he's like kind of an astounding and like unconventionally
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: kind of hot and character where all the others are
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: like just supermodels that have never acted before kind of
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Elizabeth Berkeley, um not a good actress, although she does
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: some stunning work in First Wives Club, which incidentally, we
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: should do an episode on you think, Um, you don't
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: known me? Yeah, I mean, so here's the thing. I
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: think there's a conversation to be had about badness in movies,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: and because you and on this podcast talk a lot
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: about things that are so bad for me, Yeah, some
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: things are so bad they're good. Some things are just
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: playing bad there. Some things are quote unquote camp which
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: might not be bad or good, you know what I mean,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: which I think a lot of people miss um define
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: the term everyone met Gala about this, we actually should
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: do I met Gala episode actually um, but I but
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: this is actually a very I think belongs to a
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: class of movies similar to Tommy Wizzos The Room where
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: which this movie is very famous for being bad, and
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: that I think that a big part of the premise
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: of the documentary is did this movie want to be
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: bad or did the director actually think this was a
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: good movie? Because some I think a lot of things,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: you're like, that could be a legitimately bad choice, but
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: then some of them you're like, wait, like what plane
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: of reality is this director? I think the director is
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: just bad directing. I I think it's maybe a combo.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I know, I think when you're being
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: as melodramatic as this movie is, being like they thought
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: they were. I say they because I don't know the
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: gender of the person directed, but I'm assuming it's a
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: man um. I thought they were going to win an
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Oscar for this, you know. I thought that it was
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: like a serious film with you know, like heightened stylization
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: and like it's not it's not trying. At least that's
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: my opinion. It's not trying to be bad. It's trying
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: to be good and is bad. I don't know, swings
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: back around to being enjoyable. I think, yeah, I think
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: it might be that as well. I I feel like, um,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: something that's kind of the choreography is very shocking, like
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: it it has like a violence to it that I
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: like never would have expected. Also in terms of things
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: I didn't expect, the movie is really long, Like it's
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: like one of those movies where like why is this
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Why is this movie so long? You know what I mean?
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Like I didn't I didn't sign up for the Batman.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Have you ever seen like any sort of like burlesque
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: or like have you been to the Box before? Yeah,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: of course I remember, Like I think I'm once with
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: like a Mandela Poor's table or something like that. I
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: think she was like there every Wednesday or whatever. Um,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: And it's like predominantly like CD business guys. It's all
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: like the worst straight people with a lot of money, yeah,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: and queer people who are being paid to be there.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: And I think that's kind of why. The thing about
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: that's the thing about show Girls that's like kind of
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: hard to digest, is like those people are kind of
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: the movers of the plot, even though the women should
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: be I don't know. I guess like no, me is
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: like the engine, but like she's so beholden to like
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: the decisions of men. Like pretty much the entire movie.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Hate it, do you really? Not even the kiss, not
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: even the lesbian kiss. You know, it's just so for
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: not the audience who ultimately received it that it just
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: it doesn't you know what. It's fine. I can understand
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: why people love it. It just doesn't really do anything
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: for me the movie as a whole. It is kind
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: of I do enjoy um movies where sex scenes don't
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: arouse me but they scare me. Oh, I actually think
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: the sex scene in this one is hot. There are
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: a lot of sex scenes. Well, I mean the one
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: in the pool. I think it's just the way she
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: thrashes around. It's a very interesting figure eight kind of
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: movement that she does with her is motion in the ocean,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: which is that yeah, yeah, have you ever been a
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Vegas should we Go? I have been a couple of times.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: We go to should we go? We're going to see play,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: We're gonna go see I want to see play. I
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: don't want to pay for it, though, well I will
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: for me, for my ticket, my my ticket, everyone that
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: I please. I have plenty of people who won't want
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: to go to play with me, so you know I
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: really do, actually legitimately wanting. Okay, well, then buy a ticket.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Next call my friend and Rose. I just finished listening
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: to your Lady Cheethcake episode. Very briefly, I wanted to
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: share that in eighth grade, I auditioned for my middle
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: schools protection at Annie Even Musical for of course the
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: role of Miss Hannigan as any first role, and at
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: that very liminal space when kids were just starting to
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: get internet on their blackberries. But no, god, I love blackberries.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: So when the cast listed posted online, I saw the
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Ivan cast in my dream role of Miss Hanagan. But
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: it turned out that they posted the row list and
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: when it went was posted up next God, Hanan, this
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: is of course, Oh my god, why are theater teachers
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: so meet? I wanted to share that the one piece
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: of media I've made all of my friends watch is,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: of course Avatar, the Last Cairvender. I was that kid
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: who watched it in two thousand five, and was it tough?
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: That it taught me everything that is good and bad
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: in life, etcetera. Etcetera. I did make all of my
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: friends watch the episodes with me weekly over zome for
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: months on end, and then I need them watch the
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Legend of Cora. So I am that girl and I
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: would love for you to talk about it. So, I mean,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen like the Avatar like original series or whatever,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: but I thought maybe that the listener was talking about Avatar,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: directed by what's his name James Cameron, and like the
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: thing that must be said about Avatar the movie, which
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: aren't we supposed to get a sequel or something we're
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: supposed to get like twenty sequels to the Avatar movie
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: and the dates keep being announced as if that means
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: anything because it's been delayed so many times and it's
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: still like the highest grossing movie of all time. But like,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: like ask a stranger on the street if they've seen
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: the movie Avatar, they will say yes, Ask them what
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: the plot of it is, and they'll be like blue
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: people yet literally, but that the thing that also Kate
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Winslet is in the sequel is she she's like booked
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: for it and busy if it happens, um is coming
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: back even though she died she dies in it. But
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: this is what I'm saying. No, I do not remember
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: a single detail from the movie. I do the love Avatar. Okay, Well,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: all I have to say is that, Well, why don't
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: you start? Then you induct me because I don't remember
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: any of the movie. Well, if you've seen Pocacontas, you've
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: seen Avatar. What. Yeah, it's the same plot. Is it
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: supposed to be like an it's just the James Cameron's
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: a hack. So so it's about colonization. Yes, that is
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: the entire plot of the movie. Okay. And also it's
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: basically Atlantis, which is also kind of the plot of Pocontis.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: I love Atlantis. Atlantis is what we should talk about
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: because Milo is hot. I mean obviously. Actually the main
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: takeaway from Avatar of the movie is that the Navi
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: are hot. Also, I've been to the ava our section
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: of Disney Um, which you know only exists because they
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: couldn't get Harry potter Land because originally Disney was like
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: bidding on Harry potter World and J. K. Rowling demanded
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: a train. She wanted a Hogwarts Express and Disney said no,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: and so she went to Universal because they were like, obviously,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: we'll give you a train because we're gonna make a
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: jillion dollars um. And so Disney was like, oh, well,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: we need a theme park world that like is like
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: on a similar vibe of like you know, like this
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: like world building where we can like sell a lot
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: of merch. And they were like, well, Avatar is the
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: high scrolsing movie of all time that no one's actually
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: knows what it's about. Um, And that's why the Avatar
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: theme park exists at Disney. And the ride in it
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: is actually so fucking good. Really, I like almost cried
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: during No, Yeah, I did. It's so good. There's a
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: part where you can smell oranges. It's amazing. Four D Okay,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: it's like for D, you really never disappoint me with
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: your theme park knowledge. Ever, I love theme parks. We
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: should do a theme park episode. Um, can you tell
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: me the standouts from the movie, because the only thing
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I can remember is the NAVI sex where like the
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: little like kind of thallus appendage like goes into the well. Yeah,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: they put their braids together, and it's like that's it's
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: so vivid. Okay, here's Avatar. This is what Avatar is about. Um.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: There's a planet called Pandora. Humans have colonized it for
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: like some precious mineral that it has. I think it's
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: it's called unobtained. Um. It's a letterally because they can't
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: obtain it. God's so stupid. Um. And so this guy
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: who is a paraplegic is like part of the you know,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: like military, and goes there and he joins this thing
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: called the Avatar program where they project people's minds into
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: these like lab grown bodies that are like human DNA
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: mingled with the Navvy. And he is in this body
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: and is like hanging out with the Navy and meets
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: and then he becomes friends with them and falls in
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: the Wizoe Sildanna and then he's like humans are bad.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: And then they like there's a war and the Navvy
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: triumph and he oh he and he gets he. They
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: do this ritual under this huge tree and his um.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: This is after Sigourney Weaver has died and his mind
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: gets permanently transplanted into his avatar body. Oh that's a
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: great ending. It's kind of a trans story. It is
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: that is super trans And I also have to say
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: this is deaf trans species. Trans species. Now that is
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: what we should putting through the Supria Mama. Okay, so
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: I have to say, like, um, his name is Jake
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Sully also, which is like the name of the main character.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: And didn't that guy not do like literally anything. Now
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: he was in one other movie that's cuckoo bananas if
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: you're in the most profitable movie. And I also seeing
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Avatar movie theaters was like one of the top five
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: most stoned times I've ever been in my life. I
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: watched Dead Sober, which means I need to rewatch it. High. Um, yeah,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: I mean the Navy are hot, is like the most
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: important thing to take away from this conversation. And it
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: really is Atlantis. It's not it's not pocon I mean
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: they're all about No, it's it's Atlantis. Because I'm sure
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: there's like a thing on Tumbler somewhere where they have
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: like all the story beats side by side. Well and
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: it's the same plot. There's even a part where they
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: like I can understand each other because of magic or something. Oh,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: I see, listen with your heart, you will understand. And
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: that's what grandmother Will is like, Oh my god, this
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: movie is so problematic, like we can't even but like
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: I think John Smith doesn't. Doesn't he ultimately go to
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: he goes back to go with him. Well that's in
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: the sequel no no no, no no. Pocon Is stays
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: back and waves and then she goes with him in
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: this so okay, I have I cannot be overseated that
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: this is a movie. It's like the movies are so
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: egregiously racist, racist and like insidiously like an eraser of
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: like obviously indigenous people. But like they made a whole
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: second movie about how Pokehon has went back to England
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: and that's like based in it, but it's like a
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: happy version of what is like the saddest story about
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: like a like a pre teen Pokehon. It's like being
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: basically kidnapped, but you know what, just around the riverbend slaps. Unfortunately,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: I was in the car the other day getting down
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: to colors of the wind high Road, Hyprion. I'm calling
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: you guys because I need to tell you guys about
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: the X Files. It was absolutely, in every possible way,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: my sexual awakening. I have never wanted to watch two
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: people have sex more than Molder and Scully, and as
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: a bisexual, I frankly and had an absolute toss up
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: about who in that show was hotter. You have nine
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: girl Power, you have David Ducoviny with the hair, they're
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: both wearing suits. There's all the conspiracies, and the fucking
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: government is out to get us or is it the
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: aliens or lies? The whole thing hot, just hot. I've
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: always wanted to sit in a basement room with a
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: poster with the UFO on it with somebody have years
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: and years of tension while we try to figure out
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: what the government is lying to us about. It is
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: UM my number one obsession, and I think I am
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: literally searching for um for my threesome with David ducomany
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: and and Scully. In every aspect of my life, I
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: only wanted to do do some with Jillian Anderson and that's it.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: She can peg me. I'm sorry to say, UM, I've
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: never seen it. Did you watch? I was a casual
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: watcher of The X Files when it was on TV.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: I think it was like maybe a little young. It
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: was like, it's very scary, um and I. But I
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: did see the movie when it came out and was
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: really obsessed with the movie and had the action figures
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: from it. Oh wow. I think what I liked about
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: it was that I did like the part of it
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: that it was very unclear if the aliens were real
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: or you know, what was going on. But I think
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: like then there was the aliens were actually real. Yeah, yeah, definitely.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: I mean this belongs to a class of media that
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: I only know from commercials because I maybe wasn't allowed
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: to watch it at the time, but didn't he go
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: on forever? Well it there was a it came back
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: as a as a movie and as a TV Yeah.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: I watched the reboot. I saw the reboot movie in
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: theaters and it was fine. Um. I think like one
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: of the big things about the show was like, not
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: only the are the aliens real? But you know, will
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: there won't they will Muldern Scully get together? And I
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: believe they did. They had a kid together. I think, Um,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: they were both extremely hot um and and kind of
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: like peak nineties hotness. They very much are kind of
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: like the archetypes of like TV leading man, leading leading Lady.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Did they precede Men in Black in terms of alien
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: um espionage? Yeah, because aliens were all the rage in
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: the nineties. Oh yeah, because of Roswell. Did you ever
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: watch the TV show Roswell? No, Sorring Sheery Appleby. I
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: didn't even know it existed. Oh my god. It was like, um,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Roswell is Buffy era um, when you know, like supernatural
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: teens were all the rage. And it's about a girl
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: who lives in Roswell, New Mexico and gets shot in
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: a diner one day and a sexy alien heals her
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: with his alien powers. And it was Catherine high goals
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: breakout role. I feel like I was not. I was
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: not when I watched Men in Black in theaters. I'm
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: pretty sure that like I had to leave the theater
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: because I was too scared. I was. I'm not joking.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: I had a really low threshold for fear at the time.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: I was probably like what, like, you know why I
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: had to leave the theater because I thought the scene
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: where the alien drank sugar water was so disgusted. It's
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: so it's so gross. It's it's really discussed unnecessarily necessarily gross.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: That was another I don't it was a scared yeah
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: to gross humor. I don't need it. It's a little,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: it's a little but anyways, Gillian Anderson can tell me anything, honestly,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: there's like a little not that she ever went away
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: about the Gillian Anderson renaissance that's kind of happening right now.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: The gillisance as you if you if you will um
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: is truely I was founding. She is good in every
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: single thing she's popped up in in the last like
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: five years. One thing about the X Files of the
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Creator so really have always been incredibly opposed to fan fiction.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Oh my god. Really wait, like to the point where
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: they would send fan fiction writers cease and desist letters
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: just like wait, what um because they didn't want people
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: like playing in their sandbox. That's like when when like
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: what was it? Like Spielberger Scarcese was like these streaming
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: services are just going to ruin everything or whatever, and
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, It's like you can't. If
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: you're gonna make art, you have to like your beholden
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: to the culture you're giving it. And it's also like
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: fan fiction is the only artistic medium that people are
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: not trying to profit off of, Like, yeah, we have
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: the fifty shades of gray of the world, but those
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: are outliers. Fan creators spend hundreds and hundreds of hours
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: creating incredible art literally just for the sake of making it. Yeah, Wow.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: I have seen people right, like hundred thousand words stories
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: that like no one reads like passion projects God, and
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: they're not and they're not monetize able at all. Next
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: next call Hi, Rosen Fran Obviously, I love you so much.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: UM's why I'm calling. I know this show is a
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: little problematic, um now in but Ugly Betty one of
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: my top Watching it and hearing all of the really
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: do bad things that they say now, um, just recognizing
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: it and knowing that it's bad she's talking. It was
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: just very helpful for me in my life, just getting
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: me um. Comedy and the jokes and just everything. I
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: love it so much, um, as well as you guys. Okay, bye,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: love you too. UM. Vanessa Williams will Amus Later one
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: of the best to ever do it, actually one is
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: and present one of the most amazing villains of television.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: I adore everything she does in this series. Ugly Betty
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: is one of my favorite TV shows. It's I mean, yes,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: some of it hasn't aged well. The trans stuff is
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: particularly bad. There are also a lot of fat But
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: but I love it and I love Alexis Mead. Yeah,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: and I'm allowed to say that. On the trans stuff
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: of it all. Like I'm always astounded by actually, like
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: the number of like trans friends that I have that
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: love this show, love this show, and yeah, it definitely
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: didn't do it right and like, um, but it did it,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: but it did it exactly and that was almost Um.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: When we say things are ahead of their time, it
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: almost always means like fucking data, now, you know what
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: I mean? But like it was ahead of its time
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: in some ways. And something that I remember very vividly
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: about Alexis meads plot line is there is this really
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: heartbreaking scene where she kind of takes a guy home
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: for the first time post transition, and um, she thinks
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: it's going really well and he's like they're kind of
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: having a bit of a romance, and she finds out
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: that he's working for her dad or whatever, and she
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: like and she leaves the room like very confidently and bravely,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: and she's like she like kind of like tells him
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: off or whatever, leaves and then she closes the door
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: and like collapse. Do you remember that? And I remember it?
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: And that's the thing is like trans women on TV
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: in the late nineties early aughts were like dead dead,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: but no, I'm saying they were dead bodies and drug
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: addicts and like they were. There was only one trope
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: of like trans women at the time, you know on
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: TV and like Law and Orders for you or I
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: don't even I've never been seeing that. I don't know
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: if that's true, but like never seen you. We don't
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: know my favorite TV time. You just said that about
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: I have a lot of favorites. I think I've said
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: this on the podcast before. It cannot be overstated and
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: it is not an exaggeration that Ugly Betty is the
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: reason I work in media period. I had. I never
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: had a model, a modeling so strong and a point
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: where representation mattered so much and where I was like,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: I want to be like the little Latin girl that
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: their bosses like treat him like ship all day, you
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like it was just aspirational. Well,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: who I wanted to be was Amanda. Of course Amanda
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: was my favor You are Amanda well, but I wanted
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: to be like Amanda slash Wilhelmina. Yeah, I mean, no one,
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: no one has ever done it like Vanessa Williams did it.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: No one ever will we need Vanessa Williams back on
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: TV it's a great ensemble cast as well. And because
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: the show was pretty successful at the time, I had
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: great cameos. I had like Lindsay Lohan. I remember she
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: was supposed to have a whh my god, Lindsay Lohan
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: cameo so incredible. It was like it was like at
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: the time when Lindsay was like in Press Hilton. Every
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: day she was spinning out. And she famously was fired
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: from the show because she was supposed to have a
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: full season ARC I think, or multiple us at ARC,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: and she was I think fired after the second episode.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: So many good guest stars, Samahayak, Victoria Beckham. Oh yeah.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Also I always thought it was funny that the main
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: guy was the gay guy from Cruel Intentions. Oh yeah.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: And also, um, there was a pre I think pre
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: fame Octavia Spencer playing playing um, what's his face is boo?
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: His like caseworker, and then with him and then she
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: convinces him she blackmailed him. She blackmails him into marrying
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: her for the green card, and she shows up to
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: his house in a wedding dress and then she collapsed
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: and she's like Ignatia love Anna Ortiz is that she's
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: um Betty's sister. Oh my god, yes, Hila, Yeah, yeah,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: I'm glad it ended after four seasons, like even though
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: there could have been more, it did, I think, and
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: on a high note agree, And I love that Betty
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: got her braces off, got you know. I also think
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: like the stuff she was wearing is like what I
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: see the fashion girl he's wearing on TikTok now very
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: ahead of her time. Yeah she was, And yeah, I agree.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: I think that show land in a good place, and shockingly,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: at least from my experience of it, I remember the
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: third and fourth seasons being actually pretty good, like it's
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: it's a Taylor novella, so it's like very off the rails,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: but at no point unwatchable. What about the episode where
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: they go to Wicked, Oh my god, because it's her
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: favorite I'm not that. Oh my god, Judith Light, Judith Light,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Oh my god. And she the reason why I know
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: who Judith Light is. This in lawn order. Unfortunately, this
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: is the reason I know who Judith Light is. And
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: I didn't know who Vanessa Williams was before the show.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: I did because of Into the Woods and and also
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: like she was such a thing in the nineties Yeah,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: she was big on Broadway. I mean she was a
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: big like adult contemporary music. And this was right around
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: the time that she had her kind of come up
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: in after like the public shaming of being fired from
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: Miss America and speaking of Pocahontas. She did the cover
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: of Colors of the Wind Will Not Cover, but she
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: did the soundtrack version. Oh my gosh, honestly, why are
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: we not putting Vanessa Williams in TV shows again? Put
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: some respect on her name. Oh the Summahiak cameo she
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: was also, well, she's got like a whole season arc.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: The whole season well, she famously executive produced it. That's right. Um.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: It was like kind of maybe her idea to reboot it.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: It was. It was so huge its first season. Didn't
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: it win like every Emmy? It was the show, I
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: think so. I think that's why they were able to
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: get such crazy cameos, very buzzy, and then I think
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: maybe like the writers strike heard it a little bit. Oh,
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: this is one of those right. Oh my gosh, I
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: killed Pushing Daisies. It killed this r I p pushing days.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: I've never seen audi. Uh. I just wanted to tell
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: y'all I haven't even finished this book and I've been
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: telling everybody about it. And it's called Thoughts Without a
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Thinker by Mark Epstein and it's about integrating Buddhism and
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: psychotherapy and it has been Um, it's a really good read.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's one of those that I can't read
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: it quick because I'm just sitting there and like processing
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: everything and applying it to my own life and meditating. All.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: That's a really good book. I just want a job
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: to know that did you write it? And also I'm
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: one of these assholes. Also that it's really into uh
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: our dough? Like I started, do you want us to
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: do an episode on sour dough? Wee hobby? I read
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: this person psych on it. I don't know. I feel
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: like I want to delete this voice now. Now, Oh
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: my god, that's so cute. Oh I was sorry, guys.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: I love y'all. I love your podcast. The really stuck
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: the landing? Did they figure out how to hang up
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: the phone? Though it's still going okay that they really
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: stuck the landing on that one because we didn't know
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: where we were going from the beginning, But like I
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: was endeared by the end. Um, would I will you
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: be reading that book. What was the name called thoughts
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: without a thinker mood? No thoughts had empty You know
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: what's funny is I am actually like I almost exclusively
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: read self help books. Is so bleak. It's honestly me
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: and Janny Wolf like we just love self help books.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. I haven't read this.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: I probably am not going to get help. But but
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: but this, this reader has absolutely won me over, and
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: I have you. You need to know that Buddhism and
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: sour dose starters are a great way of life and
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: things that only enrichie as a human being. And also
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: I have never made a sour dough no, but you make.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: You're a very good baker. You baked me that loaf
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: of bread that was much better than the same look
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: of loaf of bread I tried to bake. So you're
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: saying on the record that it was better than your
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: loving I am no. I was so. I was having
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: a bad week and I had seen this recipe on
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: TikTok for chocolate banana bread and decided I was going
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: to make it. And as it was cooking, a friend
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: called me and told me that they were at my
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: house and had brought me a loaf of this chocolate
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: banana bread that they made, and it was very sweet
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: and very thoughtful and so much better than the banana
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: bread I made, which I did throw out. And the
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: reason I made it was because you sent me the
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: TikTok and you're like, I really want to make this,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: which is very unusual for me. I do not cook ever. Yeah,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: for Phoebe just said, that's the easiest bread to me,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: the peanut gallery. No, that is so. I look, that's
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: that's t Um. I have to Actually, I can't do
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: anything right. I'm so soft without a thinker. This is
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: about to be a podcast without a host, big bike
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: without a baker. Um. I feel like I just have to,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: you know, do my friend thing and end with some sincerity.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: There's a little book about Buddhism, or rather a compilation
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: of Buddhist teachings called the Pocket Pemishdurn, which is like
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: a really gorgeous kind of like gorgeous. It's a gorgeous
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: gorgeous books, you know, appropriating another culture's religious She's a
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: very famous Buddhist monk that unfortunately was kind of like
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: metude Um. Great, everyone go out and buy her book.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: And support her. I look, people make mistakes. Everybody makes mistakes,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: everybody has this is the most unraveled recording we've ever had.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: It was a very unraveled all But anyways, okay, no,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: I actually have to give a serious recommendation. Also, can
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: you please start putting your pronouns and when you call,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: so that we don't misgender you. I actually don't care.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, actually the thing I don't care. I would
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: like to know how to refer to people, you know,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: I mean Frand just said, I don't care about people facts,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: don't care about your feelings. Okay, but Shapiro, Frand Shapiro.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: What I meant to say was that, Um, I think
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: that we as a culture over emphasized the import of pronouns,
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: and I think that if they are important to you,
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: you should state them, and if they are not, we
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: will defer to they them pronouns, which I think also
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: just culturally, people think it's like totally okay to defer
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: to the them pronouns, which is like not always because
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: you could be like miss gendering someone by doing that. Um.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: But anyways, anyways, I have to this book. The Pocket
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: pemish Adren is a collection of teachings from the Buddhist
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: monk pemish Adren. And if he's canceled, who we don't
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: believe we like a virgin, do not concept of cancelation.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: She was Metude for not um not. She basically was
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: complicit in abuse that happened in her monastery. I believe
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: that we should consume things, as we've said in original episodes,
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: consume things and then make their history stick. That's why
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: I said that she had been Metuo. Anyways, her books
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: are wonderful, and so if you don't want to go
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: and read all her books, it's all truncated in this
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: teeny little pocket him of children that literally changed my life. Hi,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: I'm calling this kind for no reason. I wanted to
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: just tell Evils how much I love the podcast. From
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: the very beginning, it was you have a Harry Potter one. Um.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: I just I was bor than seventy eight, so I'm
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: older than you all, But I like everything you're talking about.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: I just finished the Final Toll podcast. I'm not on
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: social media currently for my own mental health or look
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: good for you getting there, but I did use five
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: star reviews on Apple podcasts and on Spotify podcast and
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: for everyone I know. And my name is Phoebe, so
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: I love you another Phoebe, an iconic name. We're doing it. Um,
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: I would say like Twin Peaks, but I feel like
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: that's kind of a thing that everyone who's already watched now.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: I was actually watched it when he was live on
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: the air, So I was eleven years old because a
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: mother who liked David Lynch a lot, which was went
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: too early for them as a result, kind of petrified
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: for life by it. And we'll always been say a
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: certain characters names. Um, I love you guys to dress Buffy,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: I love it all. Just thank you so much for
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: doing it. Please keep doing it. Thanks that nice. Okay.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: Have you ever seen Twin Peaks? Okay, I actually have
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: never seen a single episode, but I really wanted to
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: watch the Laura Dern edition of it. Do you know
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: the basic premise or do you need me to know?
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: I actually literally know nothing about it. Okay. Twin Peaks
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: is a TV show about a small town called Twin Peaks,
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: and the inciting incident is that this team girl named
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: Laura Palmer is found murder and so this detective named
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: Dale Cooper played by Kyle McLaughlin say his name heard
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: multiple times in this episode, comes to town to figure
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: out who her killer is. There's a lot of suspects
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: and like at first it seems like, you know, maybe
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: it's just like a weird who done it? And then
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: it turns increasingly otherworldly and spooky. Was created by David Lynch,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: you know, the like Autter Mastermind. It had several different
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: iterations because the original series lasted for two seasons. The
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: first season is really incredible. The second season goes kind
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: of off the rails because Lynch actually left it. Um well,
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: he's like that makes no sense. He's like literally like
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: the spine. Well, I think I think the thing was
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: like the main question was who killed Laura Palmer, and
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: he really wanted to never answer it, but that's iconic.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: But people were really concerned with finding out who killed
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: her because it's like it's like not the point of
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: the show. And so then there was there were two
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: movies I believe um Firewalk with Me is one of them,
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: and then recently with like a couple of years ago,
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: there was Twin Peaks The Return and it is incredibly weird.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: It's really stylistically captivating. I feel like that's what David
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: Lynch is like known for. It's like a highly stylized,
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: like um style of directing, and that the fact that
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: he has this kind of postmodern if not I was
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: gonna say surrealist, but I guess it's more like fabulousm
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: kind of thing. It's also surrealist. Um. Everything is super heightened.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: Another Lynch movie that I love is Wild at Heart,
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: starring Laura jurn In Nicolas Cage, one of the only
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: other movies I like Nicholas cagn I don't think I've
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: seen Wild at Hard waits. It's fucking weird. It's so weird.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: There's this one scene where, so it's about Laura durn
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: who's like runaway with Nicolas Cage, and there's one scene
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: where her mother, who's trying to get people to like
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: hunt them down and kill Nicholas Cage, is on the
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: phone and she's putting on lipstick and she's like going
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: insane and she just keeps with the lipstick like overdrawing
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: and overdrawing and overdrawing until her whole face is paying
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I feel like I've seen that. And
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: definitely it's like it's like a tumbler thing. For sure,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: and it's I'm sure there's like drag queens who have
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: done refts on it, Hi Bran and Rose Um. I
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: just listened to your musical episode and you asked, what
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: like popped our cultural terry. I feel like there's many
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: a moment, but musical wise, like it wasn't. The first
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: musical I saw was High School Musical? Big deal for you,
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: because I lost my mind. I was like in the
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: fifth grade when it came out, and I had it
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: on DHS tape and I would watch the first half
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: of it one day before school, and then the next
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: half of it the next day before school. I would
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: wake up for watch it. And this went on for months.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: And I love Decca that wo actually kind of really
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: demand to you. I think I also loved Ashley Tisdale
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: like I still do. Okay, Yeah, I was just wondering
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: if High School Musical was like as big of a
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: thing for YouTube as as yeah as I feel like
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: it is for the world. Oh father's son, how's the Gucci? Um?
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: I definitely, you know, watched High School Musical, But I
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: think part of it is that I'm a little old.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: Like it came out in two thousand and six. So
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: I was a senior in high school. So I definitely
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: saw it and I saw the second one, but I
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: had kind of aged out of being the right demographic
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: for it. I was exactly the demographic when it came out.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: I was in like I was like three years older
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: than That's what I'm saying. As I was like, I
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: think a freshman in high school or something like that,
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: and I remember like you could not escape it, like
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: you it was like so it took over the entire
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: culture of our school, and it was actually I remember
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: being I remember being annoying to me, and it was
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: one of those things that I've always had good taste.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: I feel um, and I feel like one of these times, okay, yeah,
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: one of these things I feel like um with uh
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: this in particular, I get I often get really allergic
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: to things that everyone says is really good, you know,
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: and like on the baseball you look at it and
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  Speaker 1: you're like, I don't think I'm gonna like this. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm just I don't need to be another person that
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  Speaker 1: talks about how good it is, you know what I mean. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I just yeah. Anyways, Um, I definitely jerked it to
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  Speaker 1: zac Efron, though, like when I was You know, who
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  Speaker 1: I was obsessed with was the girl who was a
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  Speaker 1: dancer and she had that one line where she went,
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  Speaker 1: I loved I love to pop and lock and dance
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  Speaker 1: and break. I just kind of active on TikTok. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know what you're referring to, because
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  Speaker 1: I actually have never seen it. I have seen the sequel.
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  Speaker 1: You've never seen it? No, I never. I told you.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: In high school, I decided I didn't need to watch it,
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: and so I've never seen That's crazy, Um No, I've
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  Speaker 1: never I've seen it. It is very much like the
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  Speaker 1: stratification of musical Holy sh it, that's a brave thing
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  Speaker 1: to you know, like but not it's not very gay. No,
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  Speaker 1: it's not. And Zach Efron is in it, which is
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  Speaker 1: crazy and straight I know, but he is a twink,
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: he's like, but he is the straightification of musical theater culture. Yeah,
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: but that's so confluting. Hello, have you seen you've seen
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  Speaker 1: the Greatest Showman? I guess what I'm yeah, because I
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: have many times. I watched it on like every time
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  Speaker 1: I go into plane, I watched The Greatest Showman. I'm
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  Speaker 1: obsessed with it. I think we should so good and
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: we should take that out just for credibility. No, I
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: love the Greatest show, and I'm not ashamed to say
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  Speaker 1: I've never seen it. Um, you will cry when you
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  Speaker 1: watch it. You know, musicals can do that to me.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised. But I have to say. What
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: I mean to say is that this movie is unfortunately
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  Speaker 1: gay culture of that generation. Like gay men loved this,
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: and and and gays were horny for zac Efron. He
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: was a thought. It was that teen girls were horny
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: for no gay guys too closeted gay men. I think
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: we're this was a cataclysm and and that and this
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: was an unprecedented heart throb that entered the culture at
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: the time. Time we had been in a desert. We
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  Speaker 1: it even years since Jonathan Taylor Thomas, you know what
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, yeah, it was very it was very
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  Speaker 1: tiger beat. Um. But I just I think I actually
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  Speaker 1: had a problem with high school musical because it's all
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: about these like the popular kids being like wait, actually
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: singing dancing is kind of cool, and like the villains
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: of the movie are the theater girls are actually Tisdale
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  Speaker 1: and her fag brother, which I think is wrong, and they,
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  Speaker 1: to me are the actual heroes of high school musical.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: And I would like a village in origin story about Sharpey.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you if there's one. I want her
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: Joker origin story. I would like to hear who was
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: styling actually Tisdale for these red carpets, because that I
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: think she was styling herself. I think that you think,
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know? Can we can we can we look
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: at some of these just like she has reacted to
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: some of them on TikTok. Really look feather boas studded belts.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: We have some boot cut jeans. This is actually skirt
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: over jeans. Yes, skirt over jeans culture that was huge though,
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: Lindsay Lohan, Hillary Duff, like the tiny piano purse. Listen,
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  Speaker 1: this is this is a smile like she's on so
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  Speaker 1: much riddlin and I think we have to you know,
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: they all were, you know, every High School Musical cast
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: member was getting Judy Garland was getting the Judy Garlands special.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: Like when they weren't on set, they were in hamster
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: wheels getting electric shops. I have to say, okay, listen
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: what Ashley Tisdale is doing on the Red carpet is
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: actually so brave because this is post Libby lu said,
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: you know I had to do it to I'm pretty
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: sure Limited Too had already descended in the could this
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: is Justice era? High School Musical? I I did see
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  Speaker 1: the sequel, I've never seen the third one, which was
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: released in movie theaters. And then High School Musical is
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: the reason we have Olivia Rodrigo. I was as she
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: broke out because of the show High School Musical, the
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: musical of the series, which is actually I think a
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: brilliant which I think. That's what I've what I've gleaned
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: is that it's a show about a school doing a
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: production of high school musical at their school. Yes, which
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: is and it's maybe the school where they shot High
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: School Musical. But how does that have multiple the metal Layer?
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  Speaker 1: Have you watched it ever? Okay today, I'd be curious
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: to know, like how how it look? You were You're
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: you're a little what a little Olivia Rodrigo fans called.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: I like her music. I'm not going to watch High
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: School Musical the musical the series. Look, I don't know
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: how deep, I don't know how deep the roots of
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: your fandom are. Sometimes you really you really surprised me
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: with But I do remember last year when Good for
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: You came out and she only had like two songs
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: on Spotify. If you were listening to her and like
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: after Good for You, it would go to the High
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: School Music series songs, so I definitely heard the first
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: like ten seconds of them by accident, by accident, also
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: High School Musical. Give us Vanessa Hudgens and I am
• 1:01:10
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