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Random Heathen Ramblings: S6, EP09 - 7 Year Anniversary Live Stream · Random Heathen Ramblings

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  The. The.
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  Hello everyone, and welcome to the Random Heathen Ramblings
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  podcast where we discuss all sorts of things Germanic
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  Thank you for watching this monthly live stream and a very
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  special one at that because I said so.
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  No, but for the real we are streaming live.
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  Let's just get a couple of folks here recognize hello, Sarah
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  explorer, what's up yo over there on the YouTube platform.
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  Thank you for watching. But yes, this is a very special.
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  This is a special monthly stream because this is the seven-year
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  anniversary of Midgard musings. You heard that right.
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  This has been going on this channel, this platform, this,
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  this thing has been going on for for seven years now, give or
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  take. This month is the 7th year kind
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  of milestone. And with me today, I'm going to
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  be bringing on some very special people to talk with me about
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  stuff, some inspirers of the community, some supporters of
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  what I do, and just some genuinely good people who have
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  come in contact with over the years, some longer than others.
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  So thank you in advance to my guests who I'll be bringing on
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  here in just a moment. Before we get into that, I do
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  support in in that way when it as you can.
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  Real quick here. Thank you for Michael Thacker
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  joining us. Slightly late, but happy 7th.
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  Thank you, Sir. And Michael, we will be getting
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  to one of your comments or questions here in just a moment.
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  So now that we've got all of the housekeeping stuff out of the
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  way, I'm going to bring to the stage and welcoming each of my
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  guests one at a time. So here we go, boom, boom, boom,
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  boom, and yet one more boom and we have everybody here.
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  Patrick is experiencing some technical difficulties, but
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  he'll be in and out hopefully when and as he can.
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  But as you can see here, folks, we've got a full stage of
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  wonderful people joining this seven-year anniversary live
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  stream. So welcome to Amelia, welcome to
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  Matthew Sarah, welcome Blake Russell, welcome Eric Word
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  Weaver Shervin to the seven-year anniversary live stream.
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  Welcome ladies and gents. Thanks for being here.
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  Thanks for having us. Good to be here all.
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  Right. As always, happy to be here.
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  Awesome. Well, I think while we're
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  waiting for Patrick, Patrick is gonna gonna be trying to Co host
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  with me tonight. He's just having some technical
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  things, but that's the way it kind of goes sometimes you know
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  you can't always sometimes you know it just it is what it is.
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  And there he is. We see his face, but it's coming
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  in and out. So while he's working on that,
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  let's start with I don't know since since we'll just kind of
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  go from the top row down to the to to to the bottom row here.
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  So we'll start with Emilia. Would you like to introduce
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  yourself and tell us a little bit about yourself all?
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  Right, so my name is Amelia, I'm with River Pine Kindred.
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  We've been around for almost 7 years now.
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  Our anniversary is coming up in September.
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  We work in the Arklatex area of Texarkana, TX and we host
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  meetups in Texarkana as well as the Shreveport, LA area as well
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  as we do live stuff online for the online community and we do a
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  lot of community outreach with. We do you'll for the kids every
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  year at our banquet that we have to give them gifts like jackets,
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  shoes, backpacks, and we need things like that.
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  And then we also do a school supply drive for the kids for
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  back to school and everything, as well as we're working on
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  pantry stuff. But as I said, we've been slowly
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  working towards all these great things as well as our meetups
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  that we host every month. And you can find us on YouTube,
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  Facebook, Twitter and many of the other pages for platforms.
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  That's great. Yeah.
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  And everybody to in the description area below, whether
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  you check it out now or later, just realize that everybody here
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  does have some social medias or, or places where you can find
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  and, and support what they do because they'll have their own
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  things that they're doing. So definitely check the links
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  down in the description below. There's, there's several of them
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  for, for River Pine Kindred. So thank you again.
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  Amelia's been a guest on the show before a couple of times, I
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  think as I recall one pretty recently.
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  But thank you for coming back and gracing us with your
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  presence and talking about some heathen stuff.
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  And, and thank you for everything that you do for the
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  community in your area. Thank you.
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  Thank you for having me. All right, next in line we have
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  Mr. Matthew Sera, another previous guest and long time
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  listener and and watcher of Midgard music.
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  So Matthew, thank you for being here Sir.
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  And would you like to introduce yourself and tell folks a little
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  bit about you and what you do? Hi everyone, I'm Matt Sera.
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  I've been acting my whole life and making music my whole life.
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  And then I started walking this path since the high loon first
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  Red Rocks ritual is when I started to really focus on this
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  hardcore I guess. And since then, I decided to
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  make try my hand at making Nordic folk music and have been
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  doing so since then and have been having a great time doing
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  that and gotten to do a couple workshops with the drummers from
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  Hilung. One of which I got to talk to
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  Jesse about, where we talked about how to make rhythms from
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  the drum from the sounds of animals in nature.
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  I think we focused on birds, but that's something I learned from
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  Jacob Lund from Hilung. And yeah, I just, I'm happy to
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  be here. And I've been watching Jesse for
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  a couple years, and it's pretty cool to be on this anniversary
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  podcast with them and everybody else here.
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  Jesse, I think you might be muted.
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  Look at you, man. Wait, Wait a wait a wait.
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  Stay on, man. I'm glad you got this.
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  I'm glad you got this under control 'cause you know, I need
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  AI, need a, you ever watch Joe Rogan, right?
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  He's got Jamie or whoever over there doing his, his side screen
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  stuff like I need a Jamie in my life.
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  You know, I need to clone myself and figure that part out.
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  But thank you. But yeah, thank you Matthew for,
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  for telling us a little bit about yourself.
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  And yeah, he does have his music available, I guess on SoundCloud
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  and on YouTube, which are linked down in the description below.
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  So if you guys want to listen, we're actually going to hear
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  something and see something of Matthew's musical prowess a
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  little bit later on in the show somewhere we got something that
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  we're going to share with you that he shared around and some
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  of the the online groups and stuff.
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  I know, but it's a it's, it's something that he that he did
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  himself and I kind of helped with a little portion of
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  collaboration effort. So it's great to have you here,
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  Matthew, and thank you for for everything that you do.
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  Thank you. All right, let's let me get a
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  quick comment up here before we move on here.
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  We got the philosophical Pitbull.
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  I know who that is says hey folks, just wanted to stop by
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  and say howdy, by the way, it's me, Chris.
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  Yes, I know Chris and Congrats on the seven years.
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  Thank you, Chris, and thank you for being here to watch and
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  listen. Good to have you in the comments
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  section there. Let's move over here to Mr.
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  Blake Russell. Blake is a familiar face on the
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  podcast, a familiar voice, I'd say.
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  So, Blake, why don't you go ahead and introduce yourself for
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  the folks that maybe don't know who you are, Sir?
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  All right, I am, I am. My name is Blake.
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  I'm a musician. I'm also a Reiki master, rune
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  reader, multi instrumentalist, terrible vocalist, but I'm the
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  sole proprietor of the of the music project Skaldic Works.
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  And over the past three years or so I've been learning 3 or 4
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  years. I've been learning the tackle
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  Harper and perfecting it, and I also have given some brief
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  lessons on on the instrument itself on my YouTube channel.
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  I also have also been a heating since probably about 2013 and
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  I've got the opportunity to work musically with well, study
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  again, like Matt up here. I've also got the opportunity to
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  meet and work with work with Jakob Loons from Halong, as well
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  as with the I've gone, which I'm actually doing again this year
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  here here locally. It's May the 9th and through on
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  the 11th. So that's a big opportunity for
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  me and I'm actually playing for that event by the way, but very
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  cool and what we're but also there I have also a chance to
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  meet and talk with Mathias North Northvig.
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  Yeah, for. Sure.
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  Yeah. And and Jackie Robert or Jackie
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  Albert's who's also who is also engaged to I'm Yakko right now.
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  So as of a couple months ago, I think it was the announcer
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  engagement. But I guess they all came last
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  year to the Ravely meetery and they're coming back again.
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  And that's something I'm very well looking forward to.
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  Thank you, Blake. Man, that's a, that's a that's
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  quite the quite the introduction there that you and Matt here
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  both have had had a chance to work with the members of Hilung.
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  So that's pretty awesome. Also my music can be found.
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  I get I have videos on YouTube, but I also have my music on on
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  all your streaming platforms, Spotify, Apple Music, iTunes,
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  all the iHeartRadio, Pandora, everything.
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  Awesome Yep, and Blake's got some.
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  He's got a link tree also down linked below in the description
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  area. So follow him on all his socials
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  and and stay in tune with what he's got going on there.
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  So thank you, Blake, for coming back on here and being a part of
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  this as well. Thank you.
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  And then we've got some. Patrick, can you hear us?
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  Yes, I can hear you for now. OK, I don't mean to skip, but
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  can I can? Can I get you real quick to
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  share a little bit about you? I know you're you're no stranger
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  to the show here, but for folks maybe just tuning in or learning
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  about you, give us a little bit of about yourself there, Sir or
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  not. I was afraid that was going to
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  happen. I was trying to get them.
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  I was trying to get them. I was trying to get them before
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  there. I'll do my best here just to
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  fill in my. Name is Patrick Walsh.
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  I've been a friend of Jesse's for a few years now.
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  Hopefully the audio is going through here, but I'm a huge
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  high lung advocate, a follower, a fan, a friend.
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  He's just an amazing man. Man, guy, I hate that man.
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  Patrick, we can we, we were hearing you a little bit and you
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  kind of dipped out. You still there?
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  No. All right, well, guys, check out
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  Patrick's group down there in the description area.
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  I know a lot of people that watch my stuff already know who
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  Patrick is. He was kind enough to try and
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  work into his busy life, sort of Co hosting tonight's show and
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  he's he's muscling through as best he can.
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  Sometimes technology just doesn't like to play play nicely
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  with us. So so show him some support His
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  group is is the high lung tribe mental spiritual health whoop
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  here he comes back. Let's try that one more time.
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  You there. Sal's not coming through, I'm
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  assuming. We can hear you can.
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  You hear me? Yeah.
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  Can you hear me? Yes.
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  Probably not. We can hear you.
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  You can hear me. No shit, and we can see you.
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  Cool for now. So my name is Patrick Robert
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  Walsh. I'm a huge Highland advocate.
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  I made my own mental mental health support group for high
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  lung. They give me a lot of
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  inspiration, a lot of hope, but just as well as this wonderful
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  man as Jesse who has made this page, Nick Art Musings.
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  And I wish I had more time to share my story about this, but,
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  and that's messed up. But Jesse and I go way back in
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  time. I follow this channel on trying
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  to perform a basic human ritual. And he lent inside to me when I
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  need the most. A genuine creator, a man who
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  stands by his deeds. He does what he does with
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  sincerity and a great heart. And he is helping tremendously,
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  more so than my immediate family.
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  He is a man that inspires me every every day just as well as
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  all my community supporters of High Lung.
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  Outside that the he and the community and just us being us
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  and learning to adjust to the current balls of life throws at
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  us. To really accept our challenges
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  and not fight against it. To really see ourselves and
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  those harsh modes as well as those modes of blessings and
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  fortune. And no matter what we do, we
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  stamp our deeds, we are who we are, we love each other, we love
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  ourselves. And that's the hard part
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  sometimes, loving each, loving ourselves to really step outside
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  of our ego and realizing that progress is not a pace,
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  etcetera, sorry, progress is not a race, etcetera, our own pace.
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  We live by our deeds, we do what we do, we offer what we can.
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  And I'm very happy if the audio is going through right now.
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  But guys, you know, Jesse is simply amazing, a man who's come
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  a long way from its earlier content.
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  He's just a great guy. Oh, man, Patrick, when you re
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  watch this or when you re listen to this man, thank you and thank
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  you for just really toughing it through.
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  Man, this has got to be so listen, I know what it's like in
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  in the frustration of battling technical, you know, stuff here,
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  Michael Thacker, you know, he's he's he's like, you know, it
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  wouldn't be a live stream without the technical
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  difficulties. It's kind of it goes, you know,
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  it's part and parcel. And I want to just say, you
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  know, for everybody watching this on whatever platform, thank
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  you for your patience and thank you just for being present to to
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  understand that this is kind of how it goes.
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  Sometimes thank you David Clinton watching it from
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  Columbia, TN Congratulations. Thank you Sir.
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  Tanya, what's up girl says hello everyone.
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  We're going to be seeing Tanya with the Norse Fox creations
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  this weekend in North Carolina at the Viking Experience along
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  with her better half or other half Josh W.
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  They both run the the Norse fox creation, so going to be great
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  to see both of you again. Yes, deep and beautiful words
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  from Patrick there. Tanya, thank you for for saying
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  so. All right, so then I guess all
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  we have left to do is to give the red carpet over to Mr. Eric
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  Shervin, the word Weaver. Eric, over to you.
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  Thanks, Jesse. Yeah, my name's Eric.
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  Word Weaver, Shervin. Been heathen since what, 2006,
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  2007, something like that? I don't remember it was a long
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  time ago. Govi of the Ridgari, which is
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  the the Ridgar tribe here in the East Texas area.
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  We founded back in 2010, I believe 2009, 2010.
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  I'd have to look at the shirt in there.
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  We found it at Lightning Across the Plains back in the day.
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  So I I'd have to look at my first shirt and see what the
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  date was. But I think it was 2010 and
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  started up the YouTube channel around the same time as Jessie.
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  I had started out doing both a storytelling thing and kind of a
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  heathen one O 1 kind of deal. Yep.
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  His journey, his intro into Heathenry and his pathway while
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  I was, you know, the old seasoned heathen who'd already
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  been doing it for a hot minute helping the newbies out.
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  So he and I kind of tagged team back and forth there for a while
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  now. My YouTube channel has been down
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  for a little bit here. I had some life stuff that kind
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  of got in the way and I haven't quite got the spoons to get it
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  back going again. But I do have plans to revive
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  here in the near future. Some of y'all know I've got a
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  book out there, The Saga of Bjorn Thorleson.
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  If you, if you're interested in it, go on Amazon, search my
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  name. Super easy.
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  And it's not a long book, but it's a storytelling book that's
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  designed around heathen campfires, types, tales, each,
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  each one is its own unique thing.
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  And it kind of keeps alive the tradition of passing along world
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  view and tradition through storytelling.
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  Storytelling's a big thing for me.
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  That's that's narrative is my drug.
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  I am addicted to it. I live off of it and I, I, I'm
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  not happy unless I'm creating it.
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  So between, you know, D&D or writing books or whatever, I've
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  always got something going on. So, but yeah, still here, still
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  doing. Radgar is strong and alive and
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  doing well. The East Texas Heathens is a
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  meet up group that I host here in the East Texas area.
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  Again, the same life stuff that kicked the YouTube channel kind
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  of slowed down the meetups there, but we're about to kick
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  those back off. So anybody who's kind of in the
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  East Texas area may want to check it out on the facing book
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  and see the link there. So Yep, that's me.
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  Awesome, man. I'm so happy that you know you
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  have weathered the storm and just if you want to maybe give
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  some sort of insight to what Radgar means and why I say you
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  know you have weathered. Sure, absolutely.
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  The name Rydgar was originally the first two families that
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  started. Rydgar was my family and my
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  buddy Mike's and he was very heavily Anglo-Saxon and I am
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  very heavily N Icelandic in our aesthetic.
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  And so when we first formed the tribe, because we were blending
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  these two two kind of approaches to Heathenry together, his, we
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  used the name itself as an amalgamation of the two
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  languages, Anglo-Saxon and Old Norse.
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  Because the wreath is Old Norse for storm and gar is the old is
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  the Anglo-Saxon term for spear. So we are the Storm Spear Tribe
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  or the Children of the Storm, which lived through when the
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  tornado came through and took the house with me in it.
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  That's a long story. Anybody that wants that, that's
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  on my YouTube channel too, The Storm Riders.
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  Yeah, You didn't know that when you named.
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  They gave the tribe that name that they would be really.
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  All right. The gods would be like, all
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  right, we'll see about that. You know, not a little bit of A
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  and. One of the crazy things is, you
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  know, I'll give the short version.
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  We're out there watching the tornado come in and it's forming
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  up on the back corner of my property and turn around, freak
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  out, run inside. We had put up an offering to
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  Thor on the altar, ran in, hunkered down, felt the storm.
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  We didn't feel the storm pick us up.
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  We felt it drop us, kind of like how the elevator goes down and
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  slam the house down. I had to kick the doors open
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  because we were off the brakes and everything.
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  It turned out like one or two tie downs was the only thing
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  that kept us from landing in the field next door.
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  But there on the altar we offering to Thor big old beer in
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  one of my steins should have been all over the place, spilled
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  and knocked over, not a drop. No way.
• 26:08
  It was perfect. Yep.
• 26:10
  Yeah, the Thunderer was looking out for us that day for sure.
• 26:15
  Wow, that's incredible, man. Thank you for for sharing that.
• 26:18
  And yeah, thank you again for being here.
• 26:20
  And it's like, again, that, that seven years of, of us knowing
• 26:23
  each other, 'cause I'll say, you know, like I, I, I came across
• 26:25
  your content, you know, around the time of starting my channel.
• 26:28
  And therefore, I feel like that's when our acquaintances
• 26:33
  ship or whatever started, which then grew into a friendship.
• 26:37
  Like we have each other's phone numbers.
• 26:39
  We, we have yet to meet in person.
• 26:41
  It's like every time something comes around where we want to
• 26:44
  and something, it's something else comes up, but we don't, we
• 26:47
  don't force things right? Like it'll happen when it's
• 26:49
  going to happen. And in the meantime, we've got
• 26:52
  this. Yep, we got it.
• 26:54
  It's all good. Yeah, you know, so Tanya's is
• 26:58
  very excited to to, to, to see everybody next weekend.
• 27:01
  So are we and we got Kevin here says good evening, everyone from
• 27:06
  the Volgaseta lands. These are great folk up in the
• 27:12
  Illinois. I've had Kevin and I've had
• 27:15
  Chris Miller on the show. They're doing really great work
• 27:18
  up in the the Great Plains area. So good to see you here, Kevin.
• 27:25
  And who else we got here? We've got a posse house and KKK
• 27:30
  Matt K Cat. Sorry, K Cat.
• 27:32
  That's an inside joke that Hi K How you doing sweetie?
• 27:36
  OK, All right, so we got some Eric's people here then.
• 27:38
  Very good. All righty.
• 27:43
  Well, thank you everybody for your for your warm intros and
• 27:47
  giving us a little bit of insight into your respective
• 27:49
  lives. And I don't know, I think, you
• 27:53
  know, now that we've gotten this part knocked out, we're about 30
• 27:55
  minutes into the stream. There was, there was something I
• 27:59
  think I shared with everybody here a bit offline over the past
• 28:03
  week or so, just something that we could maybe jump off of in
• 28:09
  terms of conversation. This was a comment Michael
• 28:14
  Thacker, he he was watching on YouTube here earlier.
• 28:16
  He's probably still here. Hopefully he's also one of my
• 28:20
  Patreon supporters and he always comes up with these really good
• 28:25
  suggested topics. So for, for those of you that
• 28:27
  watch this live stream wherever you do, one of the best ways to
• 28:31
  get some suggested content in for the podcast is to when you
• 28:35
  join my Patreon community again, if you, it's a, it's a $1.00
• 28:39
  pledge. And so it's, it's nothing
• 28:41
  outrageous or, or, or silly in terms of money, but it's just a
• 28:44
  nice little way to, to help help fund the production costs and
• 28:48
  stuff. You get a chance to get that
• 28:49
  first voice in for, for podcast recommendations or topic
• 28:55
  suggestions. And one of one of Michael's
• 28:59
  recent suggestions was to I've been talking recently, I've had
• 29:04
  an episode or two really getting into the concept of luck from a
• 29:08
  heathen perspective. What does luck mean?
• 29:09
  And, and, and the, the concept of luck and how it's, you know,
• 29:13
  all of these metaphysical, you know, concepts and things that,
• 29:19
  that really embrace a heathen worldview.
• 29:22
  So, you know, you get into topics, you get into subjects of
• 29:25
  things like Orlay and, and weird and the Norni or the shapers.
• 29:30
  If you're, if you're continental Saxon, Germanic heathen type
• 29:33
  person, you know, the different names for the same things.
• 29:37
  So Michael's, Michael's question kind of as a follow up, I think
• 29:41
  to that was about how do we see the flow of luck happening in a
• 29:51
  tribal dynamic, meaning like how members of a tribe can affect
• 29:56
  the luck built up by the tribe and how luck is distributed
• 30:04
  throughout the tribe. Now this is a thing that if
• 30:08
  you're, if you're new to Heathenry, you know, I've done
• 30:15
  some podcast episodes. It's, it's a very deep subject.
• 30:18
  It's a, it's a deep, well to, to, to, to, to fall into, as it
• 30:22
  were the, the, the, the, the concept of luck because it, it
• 30:25
  goes into so much more. It goes into the soul complex.
• 30:28
  It goes into, you know, very heathen specific concepts.
• 30:36
  But I think it's an interesting thing to, to really bring up
• 30:38
  this idea of the flow of luck within a tribal dynamic and how
• 30:45
  that happens, how, how it's distributed, how it's, you know,
• 30:48
  shared what individual members can do that can impact or affect
• 30:54
  the, the overall group's luck. So we've got five people here,
• 31:02
  myself included. You know, we got four other
• 31:04
  people beside myself here that have in various ways embraced
• 31:09
  Heathenry into their life. Who wants to go first?
• 31:16
  Who wants to go first with this thought of, of how luck is, is
• 31:20
  distributed or, or, or affected within a tribal dynamic.
• 31:24
  Does anybody have a a voice they'd like to jump in and just
• 31:28
  raise your hand? I think raise your hand.
• 31:33
  I'm holding off, you know. Eric, I was going to say, you
• 31:37
  know, Yeah, Eric. Get it out of the way 'cause
• 31:40
  he's going to be so poetic about it.
• 31:43
  I don't know if I get going. First time here.
• 31:50
  Let's see. Seti the Red.
• 31:52
  First time here. Loki brought me to Heathenry
• 31:54
  recently. All right, Seti the Red.
• 31:55
  Well, thank you for being here for watching this 7th year
• 31:58
  anniversary live stream. We're going to get into some
• 32:00
  heathenry stuff. So enjoy and I hope you find
• 32:04
  this educational. So Eric, let's, let's let's
• 32:07
  start with you, Sir, since you know that this is kind of
• 32:10
  something OK in your wheelhouse. You're welcome, Eric.
• 32:21
  If this goes through, and if it catches up to itself, can you
• 32:25
  hear me? Yeah, we can hear you.
• 32:26
  You're you're freight. You're the framing is is frozen,
• 32:30
  but we can still. Yeah, I'm discovering that I am
• 32:33
  a little far away from my router, but that's OK.
• 32:35
  So when it comes to luck, Luck is one of the probably most
• 32:38
  difficult topics to discuss in Heathen Regis because it is so
• 32:43
  abstract and it deviates so heavily from what the
• 32:47
  generalized Western culture view of Heathen of Luck is.
• 32:51
  I like to differentiate the two with the lowercase L and the
• 32:54
  uppercase L because with us I always use the uppercase cuz I'm
• 32:59
  thinking of a luck as far as that element goes.
• 33:04
  Luck, So many factors, so many different areas to come at it
• 33:09
  with. From a tribal perspective, the
• 33:11
  Chieftain go the leadership level, is the seat of luck
• 33:16
  within the tribe. That is the repository wherein
• 33:19
  the luck settles within the tribe.
• 33:22
  The old idea of the hater of gold who would give gifts to his
• 33:25
  tribe, who sends blessings with his people, that's him bestowing
• 33:30
  elements of the tribal luck upon his people.
• 33:33
  Now in the olden days, a lot of times luck was associated with
• 33:36
  the wealth, the material gains that had been grown by the
• 33:40
  tribe. Therefore, like the king or the
• 33:43
  leader element would be that keeper of that and he would be
• 33:48
  able to give freely to the people.
• 33:51
  It's a reciprocity thing. The the Chieftain would dole out
• 33:57
  luck to the tribe and the deeds and actions of the tribe would
• 34:00
  feedback into the luck of the tribe as a repository.
• 34:05
  This is separate from individual family luck or what we would see
• 34:11
  as like there's family luck, individual look, which that's a
• 34:14
  whole different paradigm that deals with tying into the
• 34:17
  filgia, the family unit, and how that flow goes.
• 34:22
  The filgia serving is kind of a through gate for the luck from
• 34:27
  the ancestors and the norms into the individual.
• 34:31
  With tribal luck. There's a there's a number of
• 34:34
  terms that we use. Gefrane is one of them that's
• 34:37
  commonly accepted. It does come from the
• 34:40
  Anglo-Saxon side of terminology, but it's basically the
• 34:43
  reputation, the worth of your name in society, and it's kind
• 34:51
  of a measure of one's deeds, one's value, what they bring to
• 34:55
  the table. The more good things that we do,
• 34:58
  the stronger our Giffrain, the stronger our luck.
• 35:01
  Similarly, luck is fueled by Frith, and Frith and Giffrain go
• 35:06
  hand in hand. Frith is kind of within the
• 35:08
  tribe. Giffrain is what we have with
• 35:10
  the the luck that we build as a tribe is mostly fueled from
• 35:18
  within. As that Frith, we do with each
• 35:21
  other, we support each other, we take care of each other, and
• 35:24
  that's manifested through the tribe's ability to persevere.
• 35:28
  Good things just kind of happen to you, or at least you're
• 35:30
  better able to weather the rough stuff.
• 35:34
  One of the elements that, you know, we were talking about the
• 35:36
  tornado that took my house back in the beginning of the show.
• 35:40
  And one of the ways that my luck manifested itself at that time
• 35:44
  was that I was able to put a hauler out.
• 35:46
  And before you knew it, I had a dozen men and women who were
• 35:49
  here at the house ready to help us pack things out.
• 35:52
  And these weren't like all one friend group.
• 35:54
  It was from all of the different interactions that I'd had.
• 35:57
  And it, it definitely came through for me when I needed it
• 36:01
  in a pinch. So as far as the flow goes, the
• 36:04
  deeds and actions of the individual members of the tribe
• 36:06
  all feed in as they act in the name of the tribe.
• 36:09
  The tribe functions kind of similarly to the family unit in
• 36:12
  that instance, 'cause you know, within the family unit.
• 36:14
  The smallest divisible social structure within Heathenry was
• 36:17
  the sib. And anyone within the household
• 36:20
  that did anything did so in the name of the sib, in the name of
• 36:24
  the family, and the name of the roof, tree or hearth, depending
• 36:28
  on, you know, your terminology. And they would.
• 36:33
  The better they did, the more good deeds they did, the better
• 36:36
  a name they made for the family, the stronger that family's luck
• 36:39
  grew over time. It can of course, be squandered.
• 36:43
  It can be damaged by I'll deeds or by not showing value in
• 36:48
  reverence to that name. Same kind of thing happens with
• 36:52
  the tribe. You've got the individual
• 36:53
  members that either go out and do really good things in the
• 36:55
  name of the tribe and bring good strong luck to the tribe, which
• 36:58
  then rests in that repository that is the Chieftain, or they
• 37:04
  do bad things. And that's a drain on tribal
• 37:06
  luck. A lot of times when you see
• 37:09
  members or families that are cut away from a tribe is because of,
• 37:12
  you know, that there being a constant drain on the luck
• 37:16
  pouring poison into the well as it were.
• 37:20
  And for the audience, I, I'm a tribal heathen, so I use the
• 37:23
  term tribe. I realize that a lot of will use
• 37:25
  Kindred will use any number of names for their groups.
• 37:29
  Tribe is what I do. So that's just I, that's the
• 37:32
  paradigm that I'm working from there.
• 37:35
  So yeah, it's a reciprocity thing.
• 37:37
  The the members of the tribe bring luck in, feed it.
• 37:41
  The Chieftain also feeds the wellspring of luck that is at
• 37:46
  the center of the tribe. Think of him sitting at kind of
• 37:49
  a bubbling brook, a well where everybody's putting things into
• 37:52
  it, everybody's pouring water into this well.
• 37:55
  And then when it comes time that the tribe needs it, the
• 37:59
  Chieftain doles it out. The Gothi does the same thing
• 38:03
  with luck, but from a standpoint of ritual element, because it is
• 38:08
  the exchange of luck energies with the gods, goddesses.
• 38:11
  That is the religious side of things.
• 38:13
  So that wellspring gets fed from the divine, it gets fed from the
• 38:17
  cultural side of things, it gets fed from within the tribe
• 38:20
  itself. There's multiple different
• 38:22
  facets where it all comes in an individual that is like super
• 38:26
  drainy because they themselves have a negative luck that
• 38:30
  they're trying to make up for, and it's just kind of siphoning
• 38:33
  off of everybody around them becomes a drain on the luck for
• 38:36
  the tribe. But people that come in who are
• 38:38
  just really industrious and really work hard, really do good
• 38:42
  things, bring strong luck to the tribe, and that pours a lot into
• 38:47
  that Well, so yeah, sorry, that was a ramble.
• 38:51
  We good. That's what it's about.
• 38:55
  I expected nothing less. I'm passing the torch.
• 38:58
  Somebody else talk. I actually have a a question
• 39:02
  about this topic. So I'm new to this couple years
• 39:08
  and I'm still learning and I'm literally learning on this
• 39:12
  podcast. But when you originally posed
• 39:16
  the question, I started looking it up because I was a little
• 39:19
  confused about the the idea of luck.
• 39:23
  Evenry if there are nordnier schooled who?
• 39:30
  If everything's already faded, how can luck even have a play
• 39:35
  into the idea? And I see you talk.
• 39:41
  Talk to me, servant. Tap the button once.
• 39:46
  OK, things are not faded. The only thing that's faded is
• 39:49
  that we will live and we will die.
• 39:50
  The nonnier are the writers of our deeds.
• 39:53
  They, they, they, yes, they spin the length of our lives.
• 39:58
  They set the amount of lifespan that we have.
• 40:01
  But everything that we have between birth and death is ours
• 40:03
  to deal with. The gods gave us free will.
• 40:06
  They gave us. Divine madness that that old,
• 40:09
  that is the gift from old and that we use to craft, create,
• 40:13
  exist and just burn into this world with our existences.
• 40:17
  And the idea of predestination is not a heathen thing.
• 40:25
  Everything's malleable, everything shifts, everything
• 40:28
  gives. The only real instance that we
• 40:31
  run into with predestination is in the story of Ragnarok.
• 40:34
  Ragnarok itself is a questionable thing to add into
• 40:37
  the lore because one of the earliest instances that we
• 40:41
  actually have of the poem, the Boluspa was written by an
• 40:45
  individual who all indications are now is actually like the son
• 40:50
  of a Githya in Iceland or a law speaker or someone of that level
• 40:56
  of thing that would have just bathe this kid in the mythology
• 41:01
  from coming up. But it would it dates back, as
• 41:04
  best we can tell to around the time of conversion in Iceland.
• 41:09
  So the story itself is him literally watching the the
• 41:14
  battle of the breakdown where they were debating about going
• 41:19
  Christian as Iceland, you know, and, and doing away with the old
• 41:23
  gods. And that's what he's literally
• 41:24
  seeing. The the poem is pulling forward
• 41:29
  all of that imagery, pulling forward the, the spirit of the
• 41:33
  gods and the story and everything.
• 41:35
  But then the end that where we get into Ragnarok, where we get
• 41:37
  into the twilight of the gods, the fading off and then the
• 41:41
  death and rebirth under this one bright God in the end is that
• 41:46
  conversion to Christianity. So Ragnarok itself, there are
• 41:51
  elements that we can trace back to proto Indo European times,
• 41:55
  but it's it gets muddy. Ragnarok itself as a thing
• 42:00
  pretty much only exists therein and becomes questionable as to
• 42:05
  whether or not it's even really part of the mythos or if it was
• 42:09
  just the poetic ramblings of somebody who really knew their
• 42:13
  stuff. And so with that, that is one of
• 42:18
  the only times that we really have predestination.
• 42:20
  When you look at the word we're, I wish I could remember the name
• 42:24
  of the book. There's an excellent book that
• 42:25
  looks into this. I will have to see if I can dig
• 42:28
  it up again. But when you look at the term
• 42:32
  we're, as it appears in old text, it is most frequently tied
• 42:37
  with the term for death because that is really the only faded
• 42:42
  thing that's going to happen. We're born, stuff happens and we
• 42:46
  die. The stuff happens is all ours.
• 42:49
  The gods are gods of order. They created the world's out of
• 42:54
  the chaos of the Yolton, and the Yolton are constantly trying to
• 42:58
  return it to chaos, while Nidogg is constantly gnawing and is is
• 43:04
  trying to pull things into into entropy.
• 43:11
  He's an act of entropy. Yeah, I saw that pop up can be
• 43:17
  viewed as cyclic. There's a term in one of the
• 43:21
  translations of the Voluspa where it seems like this is the
• 43:25
  10th World Tree, but that's a bit of a stretch on.
• 43:28
  Translate, I was gonna, I was gonna just jump in and say like
• 43:31
  with with regards to Eric's point of, of the Ragnarok
• 43:34
  concept and and and and this and that.
• 43:36
  Like, yes, it, it, it does appear to be something that was
• 43:40
  introduced very late in Scandinavia specifically.
• 43:44
  There's, I don't think an equivalent of Ragnarok in
• 43:50
  continental Germanic myths. I don't think the Saxons had
• 43:54
  anything like this. I don't think the tribes of, of
• 43:56
  continental Germany of, of, you know, whether it was the Saxons
• 44:01
  or any of the other earlier tribes had anything quite like
• 44:04
  this. So it became something very
• 44:06
  specific to the far north when those customs migrated and when,
• 44:14
  you know, you had like the Danes and, and the Swedes and
• 44:16
  everybody starting to spread and, you know, into Norway.
• 44:21
  And then when, when, when Norway, when, when the people of
• 44:24
  Norway left and settled Iceland, You know, all this came in very,
• 44:30
  very much later on. I know in the Earth dwellers
• 44:34
  sagas that it talks about a go The Who is very prevalent in
• 44:39
  that area. And the way he did things, it
• 44:43
  brought him luck until in the end when he started making poor
• 44:46
  choices and I think a crop had failed one year.
• 44:50
  And so they they removed him as go the and replaced him with
• 44:57
  someone else, even though he had his wishes for everything in the
• 45:01
  end. But the way his luck ended in
• 45:04
  the earth oiler sagas, he tried his luck too much and didn't
• 45:08
  really live by his deeds. And it changed the structure of
• 45:13
  the storyline for the earth oiler sagas.
• 45:16
  And there's another example like you know, you think with Odin or
• 45:21
  Woden Woden eyes, whatever you want to call him as or Odin.
• 45:27
  And you know, you think Odin did all these things and you know,
• 45:34
  he tried his luck, even though the Syria told him his faith,
• 45:39
  the vulva and told him different things that would happen.
• 45:42
  But still he tried and tried his luck for wisdom and knowledge
• 45:47
  and for all these different things that he set out to do.
• 45:52
  And it shaped, you know, the austere and the vanier and the
• 45:56
  way everything happened in the end, even though, you know, to
• 45:59
  me fate is like a string. There's a beginning and an end
• 46:03
  to it. But what you do in the middle of
• 46:05
  those threads will cause it to fray, snap, or it'll cause those
• 46:09
  threads to bond together better to make something strong and
• 46:13
  malleable. But you know, also in the same
• 46:16
  time, if you read a piece of horse liver and you're talking
• 46:19
  about hocked in the good or hecked in the good, however you
• 46:23
  want to call him. You.
• 46:25
  Know in in his story of piece of the horse liver written by I
• 46:31
  can't remember it's John something I can't say his last
• 46:34
  name because he's from Iceland. He also talked about the story
• 46:39
  of the things that he did because, you know, he converted
• 46:42
  to Christianity even though he was a Heather in the beginning,
• 46:46
  as well as his spouse. And so in the end of his his
• 46:50
  life, he had worried about his luck, about how he lived by his
• 46:54
  deeds. And he was worried that he
• 46:57
  wouldn't go to heaven because he was a heathen beforehand before
• 47:02
  converting to Christianity. So he told his, you know, his
• 47:05
  men to hand him a sword because he had worried that he didn't
• 47:09
  know where he was going. You know, was he going to avoid
• 47:12
  or was he going to heaven or hell or was he going to Valhalla
• 47:16
  or was he going to, you know, be with his ancestors and, you
• 47:19
  know, another realm, you know, so to speak.
• 47:21
  And you know, Helheim and Ephelheim or whatever you want
• 47:23
  to call it, everybody calls it something different, but, you
• 47:26
  know, to the underworld or whatnot.
• 47:29
  But, you know, for him, he was worried, but the gods looked
• 47:32
  upon him because his brothers were already there and they
• 47:35
  decided to let him go to Valhalla to be with the slain,
• 47:39
  and the Valkyrie took him away. And so that shows the, you know,
• 47:43
  the dynamics of it and everything.
• 47:45
  And there's also one other saga from the Icelandic saga that
• 47:49
  talks about, you know, how the go the and how he raised his
• 47:53
  son. And so when his father passed
• 47:55
  on, he took on the luck of his father and he became the go the
• 47:59
  after that. So, you know, luck and, you
• 48:01
  know, the way fate is, Yeah, it kind of goes hand in hand.
• 48:04
  But also at the same time, you know, like.
• 48:08
  Yeah. And a tribe, so to speak.
• 48:11
  Yeah. The Gobi or the Giddy or
• 48:13
  Chieftain or Chief, just, you know, whatever lingo you want to
• 48:16
  use. Yeah, depending on the structure
• 48:19
  of how that person sets it up, as well as the tribe as a whole.
• 48:25
  Because you know, you know, to me, you know, it doesn't matter
• 48:28
  if it's a tribe, a marriage or friendship, you know, it's, it's
• 48:33
  like a box you have to put into the box to pull out of it.
• 48:37
  And that goes the same with luck and, you know, investing in
• 48:41
  things and doing different stuff.
• 48:42
  And if you're just sitting there constantly pulling out, like
• 48:44
  Eric said, you know that, well, you're sitting there pulling out
• 48:47
  of it all the time. You're going to dry it out.
• 48:49
  You're not going to have anything leftover because you've
• 48:51
  already pushed your luck and you haven't really given and put
• 48:54
  into that, you know, building and weaving Frith and, you know,
• 48:58
  building strong bonds to help your luck.
• 49:02
  You know, you think about us, all of us right now sitting here
• 49:04
  on this podcast, we built friendships together and luck
• 49:09
  have it. We're all on this podcast
• 49:11
  together on celebrating Jesse's seven years of Midgard's musing.
• 49:16
  So it's just, it just shows the dynamics of everything when it
• 49:20
  comes to, you know, luck and tribal and life in general and
• 49:24
  just people, people in general. Can I jump back in here real
• 49:28
  quick one? Well said Emily.
• 49:30
  Emily, that was fantastic. Back to the norms thing real
• 49:34
  quick. Just before we we ramble onto a
• 49:37
  different Part 1 of the big misconceptions, and this is
• 49:39
  something that needs to be cleared up for viewers and
• 49:41
  everything upfront. The norms are not the Fates.
• 49:44
  The Fates are a Greek concept. They the spinners of Fate.
• 49:49
  That is not, that's not a heathen thing.
• 49:51
  They do not correlate. Yeah, it's three and three and
• 49:54
  everything. It sounds great, but they are
• 49:55
  not correlate. It it doesn't work out that way.
• 50:00
  Urd is the keeper of that which has become schooled, is the
• 50:07
  keeper of those things that are becoming, those things that
• 50:09
  could be, should be. It's ephemeral.
• 50:12
  Her, her world doesn't exist. It's missed its shadow.
• 50:16
  It is potentiality. And then the Tandy's is weird.
• 50:21
  It is the here and now. It is the progression of
• 50:24
  potentiality into actuality. So the norms themselves actually
• 50:28
  represent what I like to call heathen causality.
• 50:31
  It's the vector of we are fed by what was or what has become
• 50:35
  through the choices that we make now, vectoring into the unknown
• 50:38
  that which could be. And again, I can ramble about
• 50:42
  the norms forever, but that's because I don't correlate them
• 50:46
  like a lot of people do. I actually see them as an
• 50:47
  extension of the mothers and that each family line has their
• 50:51
  own norms and that the schools are actually titles, roles that
• 50:58
  they play. Come on, Jesse.
• 50:59
  This, this kind of this kind of bleeds into what I personally
• 51:02
  believe is that luck is, is is is strongly, if not entirely
• 51:09
  carried within family dynamics, right?
• 51:13
  Familial lines. You, you speak of things like
• 51:16
  hummingya and and and and and whatnot like that is that is
• 51:19
  your luck. Like you have your own Hummingya
• 51:22
  and then the family has its own luck, which is a, a collection
• 51:26
  of the various parts of that, of that unit, right.
• 51:31
  So you, you talk about let this, this weaving of, of threads and,
• 51:37
  and the Nordoneer or the shapers.
• 51:39
  Is this the way like, you know, if you get into like continental
• 51:43
  Germanic, specifically Saxon Heathenry, it's it's they call
• 51:48
  them the shapers. They, they don't use the term
• 51:50
  Nordoneer. That's a very Scandinavian term,
• 51:52
  but it means essentially like the same thing.
• 51:55
  There they are the shapers. They, they have woven a thread
• 51:58
  and you and it's, it's your thread or their threads, you
• 52:02
  know, like the family's thread has its own thing.
• 52:04
  And then what the family members do in between is going to shape
• 52:07
  the rest of it. The, the, the, the, the, the
• 52:09
  arrival and the destination are set.
• 52:12
  You, you got here at one point, you're going to end here at that
• 52:14
  point. What happens in between is what
• 52:16
  we weave and what we do. So because of Heathenry being
• 52:22
  such a a tribally focused, you know, thing it it it thrives and
• 52:29
  I think it exists brightly and and best in a tribal setting
• 52:34
  where you have clans or families coming together and practicing,
• 52:41
  believing, venerating, worshipping, whatever in a
• 52:45
  agreed upon way. It is, it is that custom, it is
• 52:47
  that through it is that is that way of doing things that is
• 52:51
  specific to that family construct or the extensions of
• 52:55
  that family's beliefs. So it's very heavily, I believe,
• 53:01
  maintained or, or controlled, if you want to say through familial
• 53:08
  dealings. And as we know, like not all,
• 53:10
  you know, when I say family, I don't mean just, you know, your
• 53:12
  blood, your kin, like as as you were, you know, DNA wise.
• 53:16
  I mean family, even for for the dramatic people's was as much
• 53:22
  fostering. Wait, what's the adoption?
• 53:27
  Right. There was there was a lot of
• 53:28
  that going on in, in that culture too.
• 53:30
  So, so family meant more than just your blood relatives.
• 53:36
  And it was how those threads of those individual threads got
• 53:39
  interwoven into the family unit, the family dynamic that became
• 53:44
  the lock or the shared luck or fortune, if you want to maybe
• 53:48
  even call it that. I, I don't think you can quite
• 53:51
  translate the terms luck and fortune into the same thing.
• 53:53
  But it, it's not like happenstance, right?
• 53:55
  When we say luck from a heathen perspective, it's not I got
• 53:58
  lucky by, you know, a chance happening or something.
• 54:01
  It was through, through active things.
• 54:05
  It was, it was through work. It was through deeds was so this
• 54:07
  happened because somebody did this or didn't do this?
• 54:10
  Strong luck leads to good fortune.
• 54:13
  Strong luck. Yes, exactly.
• 54:14
  And that's how I translate it to is it's, you know, luck is not
• 54:17
  inherently good or bad. It's, it is what it is.
• 54:20
  And I and I spoke to somebody else and they are like, I don't
• 54:22
  really get the term luck so much as I, I, I use the terms or they
• 54:26
  related more to the terms orlay and main.
• 54:30
  So that that, that the orlay, the, the the, the primal layer,
• 54:33
  that that which was laid down 1st and then the main, the the,
• 54:36
  the might, the the, the spiritual strength.
• 54:40
  So you say strong luck that that that correlates and that that
• 54:44
  meets well and and to to to that concept, right.
• 54:47
  Yep. Would you say a simple word for
• 54:55
  it would just be your reputation?
• 54:58
  That's closer to Gifrain than it is to luck.
• 55:01
  Gifrain can feed luck. It can help to reinforce it.
• 55:05
  It can pour good things into the well, but luck itself is that
• 55:10
  store of spiritual energy that you draw upon when you need it.
• 55:15
  It is that which brings good things to the family, that
• 55:19
  brings good things to the tribe and perpetuates it.
• 55:21
  And it is through strong luck that we persevere.
• 55:25
  It manifests itself through things such as our reputation.
• 55:30
  And that is, again, everything is reciprocal.
• 55:33
  So you know, strong luck brings good good friend.
• 55:36
  Good good friend brings good luck.
• 55:39
  It all kind of feeds back and forth.
• 55:42
  When you have strong luck you're in a position where you can do
• 55:46
  things to like that Kevin. The the micros feed the macros,
• 55:50
  the Sib hearth feeds the clan, the clans feed the tribes, the
• 55:53
  tribes feed the community. Without enough of one, the rest
• 55:56
  will eventually fail in the region.
• 55:58
  Exactly it. There's a reciprocal
• 56:03
  responsibility between leadership, be it family or in
• 56:07
  the tribal setting to the the others, those under their their
• 56:13
  charges, if you will. But they also have a
• 56:16
  responsibility back to the leadership to do good things, to
• 56:18
  try hard to persevere for the tribe.
• 56:20
  And then the leadership's job is to look out for them, help to
• 56:23
  organize them and do the best they can.
• 56:25
  Everybody's working towards the same goal, but there's a
• 56:28
  feedback and forth, and this is the flow of luck.
• 56:32
  Just like we send luck to the gods whenever we give offering,
• 56:37
  the followers give luck to the tribe by feeding into it, doing
• 56:42
  things, bringing their energies to the tribe.
• 56:45
  Luck is just another form of energy.
• 56:47
  It's just that manifestation thereof.
• 56:49
  It's that well of it. You're going to see me come back
• 56:52
  to well as imagery a whole lot. Well norms, all of that all ties
• 56:56
  together because the role of the norms is to bring our stories,
• 57:01
  our deeds, our actions into the well and then use the clay from
• 57:04
  the well to feed Ingresil. It is that that that's that
• 57:09
  pathway for our offerings of luck to the gods.
• 57:12
  We we, we give into the well and the well feeds the tree and the
• 57:15
  tree takes it to Asgard and the cycle continues.
• 57:20
  So yeah, that's where our stack like we need to.
• 57:23
  Get to that tree aspect I was. Waiting for $1,000,000.
• 57:26
  I always. Like I was waiting for that
• 57:28
  tree, 'cause if you start talking about that tree, you'll
• 57:30
  be on it for about 20-30 minutes.
• 57:32
  I was waiting for it 'cause I love that.
• 57:34
  I love that view about it because I've always been, you
• 57:37
  know, even with like, you know, order and chaos, like sometimes
• 57:42
  order brings chaos and sometimes chaos brings order and it goes
• 57:46
  hand in hand. And also at the same time, you
• 57:48
  know, it takes a village to build something great to do
• 57:52
  something as a community because, you know, I tell people
• 57:54
  all the time when it comes to River Pine, I am not River Pine.
• 57:58
  Yes, I'm the founder. Yes, I know.
• 58:01
  I, I'm on the paperwork, but it's not me that makes River
• 58:05
  Pine. It's all of us in this community
• 58:07
  that makes River Pine what it is.
• 58:09
  The people who want to help 'cause, you know, people are
• 58:13
  always talking about, oh, we're, how are we going to raise money?
• 58:15
  How are we going to do this? And I'm like, listen, everybody
• 58:18
  has a role and we're going to build something great together
• 58:21
  to build that well for River Pine, you know, to to give to
• 58:25
  the community and everybody helps in their own way, even if
• 58:28
  it's just setting up a table or setting the food out or setting
• 58:31
  up the altar or the activities for the kids or, you know,
• 58:35
  checking that the post on Facebook while I'm sitting there
• 58:38
  talking to new people or, you know, getting stuff out of my
• 58:42
  car. You know, everybody has a role.
• 58:43
  Like I'm not the most important person in River Pine.
• 58:47
  We are the most important people in River Pine as a whole.
• 58:51
  And people forget that because they think, you know, oh, the
• 58:53
  goatee and the give you, yes, I am important because I did
• 58:56
  schedule the event. River Pine did put it together.
• 59:00
  But at the same time, people forget that we all play a hand
• 59:04
  and how our events will go on the luck of it, how it will go.
• 59:08
  And I think a lot of people forget that, that it takes a
• 59:12
  village to build something great.
• 59:14
  I always tell my people if they ever get tired of me, they can
• 59:16
  just throw me in the well, like the old kings.
• 59:20
  Not everything is around me, but bug into the bug.
• 59:26
  One of the things that we come back to is again that leadership
• 59:29
  role and the flow of of luck within the tribe.
• 59:32
  The leader is the seat of luck within the tribe.
• 59:35
  That is that central point. And they they serve as a guiding
• 59:38
  factor. But without the rest of the
• 59:40
  tribe, there's nothing to guide, Nothing happens.
• 59:43
  You can stand there and. Scream.
• 59:44
  Orders from the hill and nothing's going to happen.
• 59:47
  Yeah. Exactly.
• 59:49
  The the leader leads by consent of the rest of the tribe.
• 59:52
  They're just chosen. It's like my people could
• 59:54
  replace me at any time. Yeah, Mark, Mark Stinson did a
• 1:00:00
  really great job years ago with a a collection of essays which I
• 1:00:05
  believe are still available on Temple of Our Heathen Gods.
• 1:00:11
  I think that's the way I think. The URL is heathengods.com.
• 1:00:14
  It is called Temple of our Heathen Gods on this on the
• 1:00:17
  banner that it's just heathengods.com.
• 1:00:19
  Yeah, a wonderful collection of essays with, you know, the, the
• 1:00:24
  role of the modern Chieftain, the role of the modern Goldie,
• 1:00:27
  the role of the modern Thule, you know, and all the various
• 1:00:31
  different things that that kind of encompass heathenry in a
• 1:00:37
  modern day context within North America.
• 1:00:42
  Cuz Mark, Mark was, was very pivotal, if not foundational
• 1:00:48
  with like lightning across the plains.
• 1:00:50
  Eric, I think you you know Mark probably personally, right?
• 1:00:53
  Yeah, yeah, I've known Mark for a long time now.
• 1:00:55
  There was some drama around Mark and the Yelten's Bane Kendra
• 1:00:59
  there towards the end of Lightning Across the Plains.
• 1:01:02
  So there may be some cringe reactions from some of the
• 1:01:06
  people in the audience if they knew him.
• 1:01:08
  But I knew him. He was a good guy when I knew
• 1:01:11
  him and and interacted with him. I had nothing bad to say about
• 1:01:14
  Mark from that. And he did.
• 1:01:16
  He had he had heathen gods. There was heathen tribes was the
• 1:01:24
  second book that you remote it's.
• 1:01:25
  A collection of essays I have, I have AI, have AI printed off
• 1:01:28
  it's, you know, however many hundreds of pages of, of, of
• 1:01:31
  collections of essays. But it's it, it very well put
• 1:01:35
  together, very well researched and and it fits I think well in,
• 1:01:38
  in terms of anybody interested in really trying to approach
• 1:01:44
  Heathenry from a tribal contract construct.
• 1:01:48
  Right. It, it does have some jumping
• 1:01:50
  off points and it's very good. I, I leery to lean too heavily
• 1:01:54
  into advocating 1 particular book over another just simply
• 1:01:58
  because there's so many different ways to go at it.
• 1:02:00
  And the thing about that, it is very representative of Midwest
• 1:02:03
  heathenry. I've noticed there are some
• 1:02:06
  strong differences between coastal areas north-south and
• 1:02:10
  then of course generalized Midwest and kind of approaches
• 1:02:13
  the heathenry and structuring that I think have a lot to do
• 1:02:17
  with cultural heritages that are perpetuated in those spots.
• 1:02:22
  That brings up a really good point too, Eric.
• 1:02:24
  Well, it's kind of Heathenry is, you know, it's it's it's so Hey,
• 1:02:30
  Bradley, boss, I'm glad you can make it.
• 1:02:34
  Trip ran longer than I thought. Well, glad you could glad that
• 1:02:37
  you could hop in and and catch what we're doing here.
• 1:02:41
  But real quickly, you know, you bring up that I think an
• 1:02:45
  important point with regards to, you know, reading some of that
• 1:02:48
  stuff that Mark put out like, yes, it's a collection of
• 1:02:50
  essays. It's maybe not necessarily one
• 1:02:52
  book. It's, it's contributed by
• 1:02:54
  various different people, but from a very centralized or
• 1:02:57
  specific region of the land. I've, I've spoken many times
• 1:03:03
  before about how, you know, heathenry in North America has
• 1:03:07
  to, and even if we see this in Europe too.
• 1:03:08
  I mean, the, the, the heathenry of continental mainland Germanic
• 1:03:15
  places was, was what it was. And then as it migrated and as
• 1:03:19
  it moved it, some of it came with the people and it changed
• 1:03:24
  and it adjusted based upon the geographical landscape.
• 1:03:29
  And I, and I used the concept of like, OK, well, just because
• 1:03:32
  you're heathen in North America, that doesn't mean that, you
• 1:03:34
  know, heathens in South Florida are going to do things the same
• 1:03:38
  as heathens in Oregon who aren't gonna do same things as heathens
• 1:03:42
  in, in, in, in Texas or, or Arkansas or New York or tennis
• 1:03:47
  center, You know what I mean? Like it's, it's, it's gonna,
• 1:03:50
  it's gonna, the spirit of the land is going to quite often
• 1:03:55
  inform how, or at least I believe it should, you know,
• 1:04:00
  inform how your heathenry is, is, is, is being executed or
• 1:04:05
  practiced, right. So you can't just lump it all
• 1:04:07
  into one giant category. And it's not a one-size-fits-all
• 1:04:13
  sort of a thing, right? So.
• 1:04:18
  Yes, regionalization is a huge thing.
• 1:04:20
  I mean, just look at the fact that one of the pillars of
• 1:04:24
  Heathenry, OK, whoever's doing the the, the bingo game, get
• 1:04:28
  ready to click off another box. There's four pillars to
• 1:04:30
  Heathenry. There's the religious, there is
• 1:04:33
  the spiritual, there's the cultural, and there's the
• 1:04:36
  philosophical. The religious is our interaction
• 1:04:38
  with the divine, our interaction specifically with the gods and
• 1:04:41
  goddesses, the spirituals, our interaction with the Veitier,
• 1:04:44
  our ancestors, the unseen. That's still part of the profane
• 1:04:47
  world. The gods, the sacred, that's all
• 1:04:50
  in the religious side. Our interaction with the sacred,
• 1:04:53
  our interaction with the unseen profane is the spiritual side.
• 1:04:56
  Our interaction with each other is the cultural side.
• 1:04:58
  And our understanding of how the world works.
• 1:05:00
  That's the philosophical side. That's luck, that's orlog,
• 1:05:03
  that's things like that. So regionalization 1, the
• 1:05:09
  cultural element, the people that we interact with us, we are
• 1:05:13
  informed by the places that we come from.
• 1:05:15
  That's that feeds into our orlog.
• 1:05:18
  Similarly, the vets here that we interact with are very
• 1:05:21
  different. The vets here that I deal with
• 1:05:23
  down here in Texas are going to be different than what they deal
• 1:05:26
  with in California or Minnesota or you know, especially Norway
• 1:05:30
  and Iceland. Very, very different, right.
• 1:05:34
  So regionalization, big thing. Yeah, and that's all.
• 1:05:38
  For books in Scandinavia, there is certain books over there that
• 1:05:44
  has not been translated into English that we don't have
• 1:05:48
  access to, unless you could speak, you know, the language
• 1:05:51
  over there in Scandinavia 'cause there's books that they have
• 1:05:55
  that still hasn't been published over here in America.
• 1:05:58
  Sure. Well, you know, and I go, I
• 1:06:01
  always go back to it. It's like, you know, where we
• 1:06:03
  are, heathens in North America, Everybody here in this audience
• 1:06:06
  right now, at least on the panel, not, not excluding
• 1:06:09
  listeners and viewers. I'm sure I've got people from
• 1:06:12
  many different places, whether they're watching live now or
• 1:06:14
  catch this later. You know, that's where you run
• 1:06:18
  into the, the whole challenge or the OR the the the difficulty of
• 1:06:22
  generalizing heathering into the sort of universal approach.
• 1:06:24
  Well, you can't because again, the spirit of the land is going
• 1:06:28
  to be different. You don't, you know, Veytir is a
• 1:06:30
  term that is very unique to Scandinavia.
• 1:06:33
  Whites is the term of the old English and and Germanic
• 1:06:37
  speaking countries of continental lands.
• 1:06:39
  And then you come over here and it's, you know, does that, does
• 1:06:43
  that translate to the, to the, to the spoken or the, to the
• 1:06:45
  acknowledged language of the spirits of the land which reside
• 1:06:50
  here in North America? You it's the regionalization,
• 1:06:56
  the familiarity and, and getting to know and communicate well
• 1:06:59
  with that. It was it was as much a part of
• 1:07:02
  our ancient ancestors lifestyle as as the gods were, if not even
• 1:07:07
  more that you know, they, they were very in tune with the land
• 1:07:12
  and it was such a big part of of their daily practices, probably
• 1:07:17
  even more so than the gods on a larger scale.
• 1:07:23
  Art Ghibli, you know. This all fades into.
• 1:07:26
  Can I check off another box on the bingo thing?
• 1:07:29
  Please, I'm I'm checking my boxes off over here.
• 1:07:32
  I've almost got bingo. There you go.
• 1:07:34
  This one might get it for you. There's no such thing as Greater
• 1:07:36
  Heathenry. There it is.
• 1:07:38
  There is no such thing as greater heathenry.
• 1:07:41
  Heathenry exists at a tribal level.
• 1:07:43
  It's it's grass roots up, not top down.
• 1:07:46
  There is no overarching heathenry That No 2 tribes do
• 1:07:49
  things the same way. No2 regions ever did things the
• 1:07:52
  same way. Heathens in the old world didn't
• 1:07:55
  even worship the same gods half the time.
• 1:07:57
  They had different names for them, they had different takes
• 1:08:00
  on them. You know, while we can correlate
• 1:08:04
  Thorentuno and Doner, they're not exactly the same.
• 1:08:08
  People saw things a little bit differently, enough that, you
• 1:08:11
  know, a heathen from, you know, southern Germany may not be even
• 1:08:15
  able to talk to a Norse heathen if they had the same language
• 1:08:20
  because things just were so different by region.
• 1:08:24
  But that's tribal heathenry. There's nothing wrong with that.
• 1:08:27
  So when people talk about culture and belief structure,
• 1:08:29
  you got to understand we're not trying to fit into like the big
• 1:08:33
  book religions where it's like this is the picture of the
• 1:08:35
  religion that is set out of the book.
• 1:08:38
  We have this picture look like this.
• 1:08:40
  Do this thing, follow this doctrine.
• 1:08:42
  No, he. Agrees to another topic though.
• 1:08:46
  Eric, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you though.
• 1:08:47
  What? You got.
• 1:08:50
  But that also leads to another topic and a lot of people have
• 1:08:53
  thought it interesting when I mention it.
• 1:08:55
  So when you hear about Arminius or Herman and they talk about
• 1:09:01
  the Germanic tribes and everything and how they were all
• 1:09:04
  doing different things from what was wrote in that time period,
• 1:09:09
  from what Tacitus wrote and from what other people wrote about,
• 1:09:13
  You know, when it came to the Totenberg or the in the Black
• 1:09:19
  Forest and everything, the battle out there with the Roman
• 1:09:22
  Legion. And when Herman brought all of
• 1:09:25
  them together, you know, each and every one of them was doing
• 1:09:29
  something different. And they didn't really like one
• 1:09:31
  another, but they knew they had to band together, you know, to
• 1:09:35
  defeat the Roman Legion. But still, even in the end, they
• 1:09:39
  broke apart because they didn't want, you know, centralized
• 1:09:44
  power with one person. Each tribe wanted to have their
• 1:09:47
  own individual thing that led to their downfall in the end
• 1:09:56
  because they couldn't come together to build something
• 1:09:59
  great, even though they were building something great
• 1:10:02
  individually. Because one of the things that
• 1:10:04
  I've noticed over the years, I'm not trying to be negative or
• 1:10:06
  nothing, but you know, each kindred is doing their own thing
• 1:10:09
  or tribe. And I've always noticed that
• 1:10:12
  somebody always has the remark to say about someone else.
• 1:10:15
  They don't like what they're doing or they don't like their
• 1:10:17
  background. And you know, to us like the way
• 1:10:20
  to. Check off another book.
• 1:10:22
  Not my hall, not my call. Dude, exactly.
• 1:10:25
  But at the same time, you know, but for me, it's like, you know,
• 1:10:29
  I always hope that everybody can come together, even though our
• 1:10:31
  difference is, yes, there are hard lines that are no, thank
• 1:10:34
  you. I won't hang out with them
• 1:10:36
  because of this, that or the other.
• 1:10:38
  But to me, at the same time, it's like we're almost
• 1:10:41
  reflecting back to the time of the Germanic tribes.
• 1:10:44
  You know, if we don't come together in some form or
• 1:10:47
  fashion, we can't build something great.
• 1:10:49
  Like, yeah, like this podcast we're having right now
• 1:10:52
  celebrating Jesse's seven-year. We have a safe space here where
• 1:10:56
  we may not have that in other places that we go to from
• 1:10:59
  unfamiliar tribes or Kindred's or, you know, how their view and
• 1:11:02
  belief structure is and stuff like that.
• 1:11:05
  But you know, time and time again I see that, you know,
• 1:11:08
  yeah, luck plays a big role on how we weave Frith.
• 1:11:11
  But also at the same time, like if we can't find a a happy
• 1:11:16
  medium amongst the tribes and kindreds and stuff like that,
• 1:11:21
  how do how do we really keep weaving Frith to build something
• 1:11:25
  greater than ourselves? I mean, technically speaking,
• 1:11:28
  we're not weaving Frith with the other tribes.
• 1:11:30
  We're really weaving. Praying individually in.
• 1:11:34
  Different ways. Now, what you're talking about
• 1:11:36
  is Thing, yeah, the disparate tribes coming together in a
• 1:11:40
  common, a common forum to talk it out because the different
• 1:11:46
  regions of Iceland didn't all do things the same way.
• 1:11:49
  So they all came together at Thing Thing Veler and had it
• 1:11:53
  out. They had an agreed upon set of
• 1:11:56
  laws that the law speaker would set out and be like, all right,
• 1:11:58
  I'm going to arbitrate. They weren't a ruler of any
• 1:12:01
  kind. They were just an arbiter in the
• 1:12:02
  different moderator sections. Yeah, they would sit here and go
• 1:12:05
  all right, have it out. You're not allowed to bring
• 1:12:08
  weapons because y'all going to get stabby.
• 1:12:11
  So sit and talk it what you got. Yeah, yeah, yeah, very good
• 1:12:17
  point. Like in in the Saxon tattoo,
• 1:12:19
  right. They had thing at Marklow every
• 1:12:22
  year. There's some really great
• 1:12:25
  articles out there if you guys want to know about thing and how
• 1:12:28
  the dramatic drives. You know, it it it did it, it,
• 1:12:30
  it moved up to to the Scandinavian Norse regions,
• 1:12:36
  Iceland. Still to this day, their
• 1:12:38
  parliament is called the all thing.
• 1:12:42
  And so I'm going to I'm going to not try to I'm going to I'm
• 1:12:46
  going to do it arbitrate. I'm going to moderate a little
• 1:12:49
  bit here. Michael Thacker a little while
• 1:12:53
  ago had brought up a comment on family luck.
• 1:12:58
  He says can one who has affected the luck bad enough to be
• 1:13:03
  expelled from a hearth still put a drain on the clan slash
• 1:13:09
  hearth? Like As for example a child or
• 1:13:14
  parent being disowned? That's a really good question.
• 1:13:21
  Outlaw. Outlaw recasts them out of the
• 1:13:25
  Oath web. It casts them out of the Luck
• 1:13:27
  web. When they are made Outlaw, they
• 1:13:30
  are cut off from it. If the cause.
• 1:13:34
  That thing about an outlawry is it has to be made public.
• 1:13:39
  It has to be hate. This is not one of us anymore.
• 1:13:45
  This person has been disavowed. They have been disowned, so they
• 1:13:48
  are then cut off from that luck. It happens both at a tribal
• 1:13:53
  level and it can happen at a family level.
• 1:13:55
  The problem is that there is an element of orlog that cannot be
• 1:14:02
  completely cut, completely tethered.
• 1:14:06
  Everybody can know that so and so was disowned from the family
• 1:14:09
  and is therefore, you know, outlawed.
• 1:14:11
  But outlawry itself was a a cultural thing at a tribal
• 1:14:14
  level. So yeah, there can still be some
• 1:14:18
  feedback, there can still be some loop back and it's a
• 1:14:24
  different yeah than it used to. Be Yeah, it was already there.
• 1:14:27
  Like you can't take out what's been poured in.
• 1:14:29
  Right. And it's honestly kind of a
• 1:14:31
  different. You can drain the luck, but more
• 1:14:36
  likely the better metaphor is that the deeds and actions we
• 1:14:41
  put into the well affects the quality of the water that we can
• 1:14:45
  pull from the well. The well never fully depletes,
• 1:14:48
  but we can muddy it, we can dirty it, we can pollute it so
• 1:14:51
  much that the only thing you can pull out of it is poison.
• 1:14:54
  And if a person keeps pouring poison in, then the water turns
• 1:14:58
  and it becomes unusable. We, as the other members feeding
• 1:15:05
  into the well, try to feed good, clean water back in to dilute
• 1:15:08
  that damage. And so, yeah, a person can
• 1:15:11
  continue to pour poison in the well, but there are some
• 1:15:15
  mitigating things that can be done and we can pour better,
• 1:15:20
  better energy back in there. And I don't want to gloss over
• 1:15:22
  that white comment if we can come back to that, because I do
• 1:15:25
  have a whole thing on that. OK, yeah, we can definitely come
• 1:15:28
  back to that. And I didn't want to.
• 1:15:30
  I was mainly putting it up there so I could see what what Kevin
• 1:15:33
  had to say because I I admire Kevin's feedback.
• 1:15:36
  I have had him on the podcast Bigger sled to him and Chris
• 1:15:39
  Miller are doing good things up there in Illinois.
• 1:15:44
  So how are you doing, Blake? And and Matt, I know we've been
• 1:15:49
  kind of rambling and on and it's also 15, almost 20 minutes past
• 1:15:54
  the hour. Are you guys and gals OK?
• 1:15:58
  Yeah, we're we're OK. We're just, I just try to keep
• 1:16:00
  up and everything they're kind of saying, they're kind of
• 1:16:03
  saying pretty much what Erica's saying.
• 1:16:05
  Pretty much what I'm thinking all together, especially with
• 1:16:09
  the whole family luck thing is you can.
• 1:16:13
  Yeah, it can be the lewd, but you can also, you can also be
• 1:16:18
  given with. You can actually work with what
• 1:16:20
  you've been given as well. Work with what we've been given,
• 1:16:25
  right? The luck we've inherited that's
• 1:16:28
  that's a valid observation. I don't know if we've really
• 1:16:32
  covered that aspect of it, but yeah, there's definitely things
• 1:16:35
  that have come down to us through Orlay, right?
• 1:16:39
  Or that have been added to that, to that primal layer that that
• 1:16:42
  we end up with. You can't change that.
• 1:16:45
  Yeah. You know.
• 1:16:48
  Yeah. And again, as I said, if you
• 1:16:50
  have to drink the dilute the the, the, the polluted water,
• 1:16:55
  then you probably have to live with dysentery for a while.
• 1:16:57
  But then, then eventually you put back good water back into
• 1:17:02
  it. Cleaner water.
• 1:17:04
  It dilutes it. Yeah, the sediment settles,
• 1:17:10
  right? The muck, you know, but that's
• 1:17:13
  the part of like, that's the whole thing, right?
• 1:17:14
  The well is constantly being disturbed through needs, right?
• 1:17:19
  Things are constantly being added to it.
• 1:17:21
  So the more good you add to it, the less that that muck has to
• 1:17:25
  control or, or to govern or to to influence.
• 1:17:29
  So it, it's heavier stuff that gets added to the bottom.
• 1:17:35
  And it's it's a memory. It's a it's a, it's a whisper
• 1:17:38
  of, of a, of a thing. I go, wow, yeah, that happened.
• 1:17:42
  Yeah. We're always, we're always
• 1:17:44
  shaped. We're all, we're all shaped by
• 1:17:46
  the deeds of those who've come before us as well.
• 1:17:49
  Well. I'll tell you what, Here's what
• 1:17:54
  I'd like to do because we do have a lot of comments.
• 1:17:56
  I see Kevin's comments, Bradley set the red and and then even
• 1:18:01
  Wild Heathen Wolfpack, which is based up in Alaska.
• 1:18:04
  We've got some comments that are kind of sitting in the queue
• 1:18:05
  that I'd really like to get into.
• 1:18:08
  But one of the things that I was wanting to do, we have Matt
• 1:18:13
  Sarah here. And I mentioned early on in the
• 1:18:15
  show that Matthew worked on a project and worked on something
• 1:18:23
  with, with regards to his, his musical talent that I kind of
• 1:18:27
  sort of helped him a little bit with just visually,
• 1:18:31
  artistically, as it were. What do you, what do you all say
• 1:18:34
  about we take about a 3 1/2 minute.
• 1:18:41
  Yeah, about a 3 1/2 minute. Stretch your legs, stand up, use
• 1:18:46
  the restroom, get your drink, whatever it is, kind of
• 1:18:48
  intermission. And during that time, showcase
• 1:18:52
  this this piece of work that Matthew has produced musically
• 1:18:58
  and visually. What do you guys say to that?
• 1:19:01
  Bring it on, Sounds. Great.
• 1:19:03
  All right, So what we're going to do folks, so that you're
• 1:19:07
  listening while we're watching this live stream here, Matthew,
• 1:19:09
  Sarah worked on something that we're going to showcase to you
• 1:19:12
  now. It is called Matthew.
• 1:19:14
  You want to just talk a little bit about this before I roll the
• 1:19:17
  red carpet out or, or, you know, put this out here for people.
• 1:19:21
  What? What is this that we're about to
• 1:19:22
  listen and watch? So this is my not I I don't know
• 1:19:28
  if I should say my version of the Ru Natal, but I for the
• 1:19:34
  first time I've been in my genesis of making this music.
• 1:19:37
  I've always had to use software instruments just because I
• 1:19:40
  haven't had the real instruments.
• 1:19:43
  And for the first time, I, I recently got this Kravic liar
• 1:19:48
  and I also have a bouquet horn as well.
• 1:19:52
  And I wanted to make a song with just that and not having to use
• 1:19:58
  this Asgard sampler from Dannheim.
• 1:20:01
  And as I was writing this song, I was thinking of I, I never
• 1:20:06
  really sit down and say like, I'm going to write a song today
• 1:20:09
  and this is what it's going to be about.
• 1:20:11
  I wait for that. Type of the, the I guess the the
• 1:20:15
  music to come to me and I just put it down and then as I'm
• 1:20:19
  doing it and listen to it, then I think, oh, this is what I
• 1:20:21
  think it's going to be about. This is what I want to do.
• 1:20:24
  So I decided to use the runatal for this song, 138 and 139 and
• 1:20:32
  try to tell a little bit of a story with that, which is
• 1:20:35
  something that was interesting that you said a lot earlier in
• 1:20:39
  the podcast. Eric, is, is you're really about
• 1:20:42
  storytelling. And I, I, I actually did
• 1:20:45
  something before this with the Volubspoke where I wanted to do
• 1:20:50
  it in a way where I was telling a story as opposed to just
• 1:20:53
  singing it. So that's something I wanted to
• 1:20:56
  do a little bit with this track as well.
• 1:20:59
  So this is my first fully organic instrument Nordic folk
• 1:21:04
  song. All right, well, I'm excited to
• 1:21:09
  showcase it here. Matthew, thank you for producing
• 1:21:14
  this and and giving all of us here and the viewers today a
• 1:21:17
  chance to see this if you haven't seen it yet.
• 1:21:20
  So this is again, this is Matthew Sarah's rendition of
• 1:21:24
  some stanzas from the Hava Mall, the Runitol section of the Hava
• 1:21:27
  Mall. We're going to take a quick
• 1:21:29
  break and let you all kind of watch and listen to this.
• 1:21:33
  When we come back, we can follow up and hear your feedback about
• 1:21:37
  it and then we will pick up on the comments from Kevin and Wild
• 1:21:42
  Heathen, Wolfpack and everybody else here.
• 1:21:45
  So thank you all for listening and watching this stream up to
• 1:21:48
  this point. Don't go anywhere unless you're
• 1:21:51
  just going to the bathroom or something.
• 1:21:52
  You know, definitely get up, stretch your legs, get the blood
• 1:21:54
  flowing and all that. But here we go.
• 1:21:57
  This is Matthew Sarah's rendition of Runitol and you're
• 1:22:01
  watching the seven-year anniversary live stream of
• 1:22:06
  Midgard Musings. We'll see you all here shortly.
• 1:23:11
  The. The.
• 1:25:06
  The. The.
• 1:25:40
  All right, folks, welcome back. Wow, Matt, I mean, I'm impressed
• 1:25:47
  with the, the production. The, the, the sound was, you
• 1:25:52
  know, the audio, I mean like the, the audio recording of it.
• 1:25:55
  These are all these are all your own instruments, right?
• 1:25:59
  Yes, they are. And it's your voice.
• 1:26:03
  Obviously, you took the time to do your best to learn the, the,
• 1:26:10
  the medieval reconstructed sound of what Old Norse would be, you
• 1:26:15
  know, reciting these stanzas. Bravo.
• 1:26:19
  Really well done. Yeah, I, I mean, I loved it.
• 1:26:22
  I'm not trying to be biased or anything like that.
• 1:26:23
  What did everybody else think? Very nice.
• 1:26:27
  Thanks. He's a very nice.
• 1:26:30
  It's very nice. It's very, very nice now.
• 1:26:32
  I loved it dude, it was. Fantastic, I.
• 1:26:34
  Love it. The the lilt, the the feel of
• 1:26:37
  it. Yeah, fantastic.
• 1:26:40
  Well done. I think, I think he's taking, I
• 1:26:44
  think he's taking commissions too, Eric.
• 1:26:46
  So if you need some new like music for your channel or
• 1:26:48
  something. Getting the channel going back,
• 1:26:50
  we may talk just. Saying I really, I like to focus
• 1:26:56
  a lot on pronunciation and I was really, I was watching Jackson
• 1:27:00
  Crawford a lot and trying to really get everything right.
• 1:27:04
  I think I might have instead of, I might have said nater instead
• 1:27:10
  of nater, nater Al Arnieux. But I don't know.
• 1:27:16
  I, I, I, I, it's something I really do care about.
• 1:27:18
  And, and there's been songs in the past that I've made mistakes
• 1:27:22
  on, but I, I, I'd rather leave it up there to show that I've
• 1:27:28
  made a mistake and I'd own up to it and try to continue to get
• 1:27:33
  better as opposed to like, if I were to do something wrong, take
• 1:27:35
  it away to make it look like I never did anything wrong.
• 1:27:37
  Because I'm a work in progress, you know, I'm learning.
• 1:27:40
  I'm, I'm, I want to be, you know?
• 1:27:44
  Well, you know, I was a when it when it comes to languages and
• 1:27:47
  and linguistics, like especially when you're learning by and
• 1:27:52
  large, you know, for all intents and purposes, dead languages,
• 1:27:55
  right? Because who's speaking Old Norse
• 1:27:56
  nowadays? The Icelanders are probably
• 1:27:58
  speaking as close to what Old Norse was, but their, their,
• 1:28:03
  their pronunciations are different, right?
• 1:28:06
  So it's not Old Icelandic, it's modern Icelandic.
• 1:28:08
  I was talking to a linguist recently asking them if like,
• 1:28:13
  let's say, for example, somebody who was speaking Old Saxon in
• 1:28:18
  the time when Old Saxon was spoken, would the Franks
• 1:28:22
  understand it or would it be foreign to them?
• 1:28:26
  And like, like what he had told me he was like, imagine, you
• 1:28:31
  know, somebody from Minnesota talking to somebody from
• 1:28:34
  Louisiana. They'd get the gist of it and
• 1:28:36
  they'd know the majority of what they're saying.
• 1:28:39
  But it's, it's regional inflections.
• 1:28:41
  It's, it's, you know, accents and things like that.
• 1:28:45
  So the languages are so similar. And when I hear like, you know,
• 1:28:49
  a North American, you know, dude from Pennsylvania or Maryland
• 1:28:53
  or, or, or, you know, whatever, you know, like I'm from New
• 1:28:56
  York. I live in Tennessee.
• 1:28:57
  I'm sure that my English sounds different to the Tennesseans
• 1:29:00
  because I'm from New York. I have a New York accent, you
• 1:29:03
  know, just like Eric's Texan accent is going to sound a
• 1:29:06
  little bit different than Amelia, you know, Amelia's
• 1:29:10
  because she's somewhere else of in that same area, but just
• 1:29:12
  slightly different. You know, we, we get each other,
• 1:29:14
  we know each other, but there's that slight difference of
• 1:29:17
  accents and inflections. And I feel like when you're
• 1:29:20
  doing things like you're doing that, the, the spirit of it is,
• 1:29:25
  is being captured. But you get that little like, Oh
• 1:29:27
  yeah, you know, that that's that, that dude's not from here.
• 1:29:29
  But I I appreciate it and I get it.
• 1:29:31
  Yeah, actually someone with my last voila spoiled.
• 1:29:37
  Someone actually commented. I can tell you're from North
• 1:29:40
  America, but like, good job, bro.
• 1:29:43
  And I was like, oh shit, like I get that's really exactly what
• 1:29:47
  you just said. Like senpai noticed me.
• 1:29:50
  Yeah, I just, I want it, you know, I might not be perfect,
• 1:29:53
  but I want to show that I am putting effort, you know, I'm
• 1:29:59
  not just. Well.
• 1:30:02
  I shouldn't, I shouldn't say the artist's name, but I'm not just,
• 1:30:05
  you know, going out there all Willy nilly and not caring
• 1:30:08
  about. That's OK.
• 1:30:10
  I know you're talking about Peyton Parish, you know.
• 1:30:16
  I'll say it Mired. You're not you're not you're not
• 1:30:19
  the next Disney Princess rendition of a of a song.
• 1:30:23
  And like like sit the red said, you know, like it would be great
• 1:30:26
  to sleep too. It, you know, dude, if you ever
• 1:30:28
  came out with just a, a whole telling of that portion of you,
• 1:30:35
  you know, a, a recitation of it in that, in that style, yeah,
• 1:30:39
  put that on repeat for me, man. I'll be, I'll be zonked out in 5
• 1:30:43
  minutes. Not because I'm not interested,
• 1:30:45
  just because it's that suit, right?
• 1:30:48
  Here, here is talking about pronunciations and stuff.
• 1:30:50
  One thing I realized too about language, it loses itself when
• 1:30:54
  you sing it sometimes. Yeah, if you ever heard
• 1:31:00
  something like pronouncement that when they use like, like
• 1:31:04
  French or anything, if they speak it versus when they sing
• 1:31:07
  it, it's completely different. It is different, you're right.
• 1:31:10
  The productiation kind of loses itself a little bit.
• 1:31:13
  So that's something to take account of.
• 1:31:16
  When you sing it, it'll, it'll sound differently than when
• 1:31:19
  especially when you're learning a dead language or singing a
• 1:31:22
  dead language. It will, it will.
• 1:31:25
  It will lose itself when you sing, when you put to song,
• 1:31:28
  song. Yeah, it's also difficult to put
• 1:31:33
  a dead language into meter when it comes to verses and writing.
• 1:31:37
  You know what? I'm, I, I don't know if you, if
• 1:31:39
  you use lyrics in your music as well, because I know you, you
• 1:31:43
  make it as well, Blake. And and you can't change the
• 1:31:50
  word. The word is the word, but it's
• 1:31:52
  sometimes hard to like. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:31:57
  Because when you're speaking, when you're speaking like a lot
• 1:31:59
  of these old Germanic languages, a lot of the emphasis is placed
• 1:32:03
  on the front. The the stress of the of the
• 1:32:06
  word is placed on the front versus the end.
• 1:32:08
  So it's not, you know, it's not Othala.
• 1:32:10
  It's Othala, you know, But how do you say that in a song if
• 1:32:13
  you're going to say it, you know what I mean?
• 1:32:14
  Like so it yeah, I get that. Yeah.
• 1:32:19
  But also like. What would be really interesting
• 1:32:21
  though is trying to mimic the dead meter itself the of that
• 1:32:25
  language like. All right, well, I loved it
• 1:32:31
  Matthew, thank you so much for for sending it our way and
• 1:32:34
  having it showcased here on the live stream for the 7th year
• 1:32:37
  anniversary. I feel like that was a a
• 1:32:39
  beautiful representation of, of the work and just what we're
• 1:32:46
  doing and and what you're doing. So yeah, folks, you know, again,
• 1:32:50
  Matthew's stuff is, is LinkedIn, the description below, follow
• 1:32:53
  with SoundCloud or subscribe to, I don't know how that platform
• 1:32:56
  works, but check it all out. His YouTube channel is up there
• 1:32:58
  too and definitely check it out. Yeah, Jesse, I really appreciate
• 1:33:02
  that. Yeah, man.
• 1:33:03
  Thank you. All right, let's get to the last
• 1:33:07
  comment that Kevin posted with regards to whites who said Kevin
• 1:33:13
  says that my UPG that whites are being as naturalistic as they
• 1:33:18
  are don't understand human language.
• 1:33:21
  They do understand body language.
• 1:33:26
  And I can close the example think of right now as like a dog
• 1:33:33
  doesn't fully understand English, but they, they know
• 1:33:37
  when we are talking and communicating to them.
• 1:33:40
  Eric, you had kind of highlighted or called out this
• 1:33:43
  comment and and wanted to to touch a little bit on this.
• 1:33:47
  Yeah, can you still hear me? Yes.
• 1:33:49
  OK, because my picture went away but I don't.
• 1:33:51
  Know yeah, you're frozen, but you might come back.
• 1:33:53
  We can still hear. You OK?
• 1:33:54
  Cool. Long as you can hear me.
• 1:33:56
  Yeah. One of the things that I like to
• 1:33:58
  really drive home when I'm dealing with working with the
• 1:34:01
  Veitier or the spirits is to point out that they are other.
• 1:34:06
  They are not like us. They are, they have their own
• 1:34:10
  ways, they have their own language, their own just way of
• 1:34:15
  doing things. And so it's kind of like dealing
• 1:34:19
  with wild animals because wild animals I see as one of the
• 1:34:23
  levels of Veitier. I'm not going to do the whole
• 1:34:25
  diatribe on the whole hierarchy of Veitier thing, but they you
• 1:34:31
  can't just walk up and talk to a squirrel in the park and it
• 1:34:34
  understand your signals and what you mean even through your body
• 1:34:37
  language and stuff. You can come to an understanding
• 1:34:41
  through repeated interactions, offerings and demonstrations of
• 1:34:47
  intent and will, but it doesn't automatically happen that way.
• 1:34:51
  And they tear's the same way. We have to come to kind of an
• 1:34:54
  understanding. We have to interact repeatedly
• 1:35:00
  and show them, one, we're not a threat, 2, that we honor them
• 1:35:03
  and that three, there is a way we can work together and build a
• 1:35:07
  relationship and it is a it's an ongoing thing.
• 1:35:09
  It's not something that just happens overnight.
• 1:35:11
  But they are very much other. They don't think like us.
• 1:35:14
  They don't value the same things that we do.
• 1:35:17
  They are wholly other. They are alien to us.
• 1:35:21
  But that doesn't mean we can't find and forge a common language
• 1:35:27
  of deed and action that will kind of supersede all of that.
• 1:35:38
  I came in late, I heard some about squirrels.
• 1:35:41
  That's a good one to come in on. You talking squirrels?
• 1:35:46
  Talking squirrels. That was the point that I needed
• 1:35:51
  to make. I'm trying to figure out my
• 1:35:54
  connection now. Yeah, No, you're good.
• 1:35:56
  No, it's, it's, it's like the whole, you know, I've, I've
• 1:36:01
  talked before about yes, they are.
• 1:36:04
  Eric, you mentioned talking about the, the way that the
• 1:36:07
  Veytir spirits, however you identify them as act and behave
• 1:36:13
  independently of, of, of us. They, they exist in the profane
• 1:36:18
  space and time that we exist. But they are other, they are
• 1:36:21
  spirit, right. So in many ways and in many
• 1:36:24
  times, they are manifesting themselves in a physical form
• 1:36:28
  that we can tangibly connect to make.
• 1:36:31
  We might, we might recognize the spirit of the river as being,
• 1:36:36
  you know, in the form of a duck or the form of a Heron or the
• 1:36:39
  form of a turtle or this sort of thing.
• 1:36:41
  That or the other, right. But by and large, right, the
• 1:36:45
  spirit of that place is, is, is such to be outside of that body,
• 1:36:52
  right? How they manifest themselves,
• 1:36:53
  how they, how they identify with us could be in the form of a
• 1:36:58
  physical thing, but they are not that similarly to us, right?
• 1:37:04
  I, I, I believe that we are, we're riding around in, in, in a
• 1:37:10
  physical form that is identifiable.
• 1:37:14
  We, we, we, we know that when I'm looking at Eric that it's
• 1:37:18
  Eric and when he's looking at me, it's Jesse.
• 1:37:20
  And when it's Matt and it's Amelia and it's Blake and it's
• 1:37:21
  Patrick and it's, you know, whoever.
• 1:37:24
  But this physical form does not us entirely.
• 1:37:27
  It is a part of us. It's, it's what makes up us in a
• 1:37:30
  physical sense. But we are beyond that.
• 1:37:34
  We are, we are different than that as well.
• 1:37:36
  So, yeah, the language, the, the, the way that we communicate
• 1:37:40
  in and at times these, these, these entities, these spirits,
• 1:37:46
  right? They, they do, they act on their
• 1:37:48
  own agency. I, I, I've been asked a lot, you
• 1:37:50
  know, how do we connect with the veytier?
• 1:37:53
  How do we strengthen our bonds with the veytier?
• 1:37:55
  And I go well, you know, sometimes not all the veytier
• 1:37:58
  are ones that we should want to strengthen or connect with.
• 1:38:03
  No, I had to drive off my land years ago.
• 1:38:06
  Right, we had an. Invasive one.
• 1:38:08
  That just wasn't it. It was, it was bad.
• 1:38:10
  We ended up having to drive it out.
• 1:38:12
  Yeah, and that's. I'm sorry, can I, can I ask you
• 1:38:15
  a question about that, Eric? Sure.
• 1:38:18
  Is that a a Hoosfith here? No.
• 1:38:20
  No, no, no, my Hoosfith here is what I used to help drive away.
• 1:38:24
  We had in the yard an invasive spirit.
• 1:38:28
  It had kind of an erected energy to it that moved in and was
• 1:38:34
  influencing kind of the, it's having a negative effect on the
• 1:38:39
  household energy and the energy of the worked land, which is all
• 1:38:42
  the purview of the Husvitier. And my Husvitier was who I
• 1:38:46
  banded together with, as well as, you know, wielding the
• 1:38:49
  powers of one of my witchy women to come out and do some rituals
• 1:38:52
  and things like that to help kind of make it feel unwelcome.
• 1:38:57
  We didn't go so far as a nistang, but it was effectively
• 1:39:01
  the same concept. Rituals to say hey, you are not
• 1:39:06
  welcome. This is our land.
• 1:39:09
  Same. It's the same premise as a land
• 1:39:11
  taking and the role that a land taking would do.
• 1:39:14
  And we managed to drum it out. It was, it was a rough go there
• 1:39:18
  for a little bit though. We had a lot of outside animals
• 1:39:20
  that were coming up dead. There was some really negative
• 1:39:24
  toxic stuff that was happening on the land and in the household
• 1:39:28
  that cleared up once we got that kind of taken care of.
• 1:39:33
  Just reminded me, Jesse, you had a, you had a podcast a couple
• 1:39:38
  weeks ago. We talked about land on my book
• 1:39:44
  and the taking of lands. And I asked a question about,
• 1:39:47
  you know, I have a, an issue with my basement and something
• 1:39:50
  with my basement. And I think we, I, I refer to it
• 1:39:56
  as Latin V theatre, but I think it was, it should have been
• 1:39:58
  referred to as Who's the theatre?
• 1:40:00
  But it sounds simpler, similar to something that Eric was going
• 1:40:02
  through as well. So I was just like, oh shit.
• 1:40:06
  Yeah, the the domain of the household and the worked land of
• 1:40:09
  the property is the domain of the hoospetier.
• 1:40:13
  Llanventier are those that are outside you.
• 1:40:16
  It's the same thing as the yard of Inangar.
• 1:40:19
  It's just a very literal, your yard is the domain of the
• 1:40:22
  hoospetier. It doesn't.
• 1:40:23
  It doesn't just stop at the wall, it goes all the way out to
• 1:40:26
  the staked property, the worked land, that which you have
• 1:40:29
  claimed through act and deed, and you have to continue to
• 1:40:33
  stake said claim repeatedly and invasive spirits will come in.
• 1:40:38
  That's why we do wardings, that's why we do room work, why
• 1:40:42
  we have sachets, why we do cleansings, the seasonal things.
• 1:40:47
  It's really good to keep reinforcing those wards and
• 1:40:50
  protective layers every year in a cyclic fashion to keep those
• 1:40:53
  things from coming in. But they're all the tier.
• 1:40:58
  Whether we put L'anvatier or Husetier in it, that's just
• 1:41:01
  saying where the thing resides. Yeah, I mean Fialvatir, there
• 1:41:06
  was a, there was an ad at the beginning of the of the show for
• 1:41:08
  fialvatir, right. Fialvatir workshop is a
• 1:41:10
  business, a company, friends of mine, family, extended family.
• 1:41:14
  But the word fialvatir literally means mountain spirit because
• 1:41:18
  fial is mountain and then veitir is, is the spirit.
• 1:41:23
  So it's mountain spirit. You have fialvatir, you have
• 1:41:25
  different names of things and whose vitir.
• 1:41:27
  Could I forget where it's appearing?
• 1:41:30
  Yeah, it's the Hoos, the house, right?
• 1:41:32
  The the. Hoos is yeah, Scandinavian for
• 1:41:35
  house. Kof God is, I think, a Germanic,
• 1:41:38
  continental Saxon Germanic term for, for the same sort of thing.
• 1:41:42
  It's, it's this concept that the, the, the, the house, the
• 1:41:45
  domicile, the hearth, right? Because you got to think like
• 1:41:48
  the, the huts, the way that the family lived and everything.
• 1:41:52
  There was a central hearth, There was a fireplace, There was
• 1:41:55
  a place for that hearth fire to burn, to keep, you know, warm
• 1:41:58
  and to keep safe. And so the the people had this,
• 1:42:02
  this concept of that every home, every, every house was was
• 1:42:08
  guarded by a God a a spirit God, maybe lowercase.
• 1:42:12
  G Eric this is a nod to your acknowledgement of of
• 1:42:16
  religiosities and and you know, God uppercase versus God
• 1:42:18
  lowercase, but. It's important.
• 1:42:20
  Yeah. That, that spirit, that, that,
• 1:42:22
  that, that, that unseen, that other entity that protects and,
• 1:42:26
  and sort of takes up residence with the family in the family
• 1:42:31
  space in the home. And so they are your kind of
• 1:42:34
  guardian and, and, and how it manifests and how it lives or
• 1:42:38
  how it makes itself manifests as unique to each and, you know,
• 1:42:43
  each, each place. Some folk, I think it's very
• 1:42:47
  Norwegian or very, you know, Northern European to to to have
• 1:42:53
  it as a as the Denise or the Tonte right, the the.
• 1:42:58
  Is Norwegian and tonte is a sedish.
• 1:43:01
  Swedish, Yeah. So they mean the same like they
• 1:43:05
  the different words for the same thing.
• 1:43:06
  I think it's it's a it's a sort of gnomish or or little person
• 1:43:12
  representation or figure of the spirit of the domicile of the
• 1:43:15
  home. Right, Eric?
• 1:43:17
  Mm hmm yes, the Nissan Tomte are manifestations of the Husfeter.
• 1:43:21
  Same kind of thing. It's just a different flavor, a
• 1:43:26
  different aesthetic. And honestly speaking, I find
• 1:43:29
  this to be similar to the idea of patron gods and goddesses.
• 1:43:34
  The idea of household gods and goddesses.
• 1:43:36
  That was actually a Roman thing too.
• 1:43:39
  This This is seen throughout multiple religions and cultures.
• 1:43:44
  The idea that there is that which is of the home.
• 1:43:48
  The difference is that we just look at things a little bit
• 1:43:51
  differently. Instead of being like gods, ours
• 1:43:54
  are we recognize the spirit of the home, the literal animating
• 1:43:59
  spirit of the home. That is, given what we accept as
• 1:44:02
  the physical form, the iconography of the gnome or
• 1:44:07
  whatever symbol that you choose to use to represent that.
• 1:44:12
  There's a really good book on it.
• 1:44:14
  There's True Hearth, which has some very interesting takes on
• 1:44:18
  dealing with Hughesfatir, and then there is tradition of the
• 1:44:22
  household gods or household spirits.
• 1:44:24
  Tradition of Household spirits by.
• 1:44:26
  Claude Lecoto, Yes. Fantastic.
• 1:44:30
  Book, I have both. I have his and and the the
• 1:44:33
  demons and angels. There's another one that
• 1:44:34
  Claude's got great. Claude's got several things.
• 1:44:37
  Emilia. What'd you have isn't.
• 1:44:39
  One of them I remember a long time ago like y'all were talking
• 1:44:42
  and koof God was mentioned. Koof God, that's what, that's
• 1:44:47
  what Jesse was talking about before this Anglo-Saxon side of
• 1:44:50
  things. Yeah, the Koof God is the who's
• 1:44:53
  fit here. It's just a different name,
• 1:44:54
  right? Yeah, 'cause I remember that
• 1:44:56
  being said like a long time ago. And it's always like stuck in
• 1:44:59
  the back of my mind because, you know, you think about all of us
• 1:45:02
  and all our recollection, 'cause there's stuff that's in the
• 1:45:06
  thermographics, you know, and geographical restrictions from,
• 1:45:09
  you know, Swedish, Norwegian, Icelandic, you know, Saxon, Old
• 1:45:15
  Saxon, Anglo-Saxon. And, you know, you think of the
• 1:45:18
  Germanic and, you know, Yoten's and Friesians and Danes and
• 1:45:23
  different things like that, and they all had different words.
• 1:45:25
  And so you hear it at so many different angles and it's
• 1:45:27
  comparing and contrast and stuff.
• 1:45:29
  And I know, like I remember hearing that when, you know, I
• 1:45:32
  first met y'all, you know, seven years ago and I was like, like,
• 1:45:36
  wait, what? Cuz like I hadn't really got
• 1:45:38
  into the Anglo-Saxon because I was mainly in like, you know,
• 1:45:41
  Old Norse and Old Icelandic. And that's all I stayed at
• 1:45:44
  until, you know, you know, Old Saxon, Anglo-Saxon was becoming
• 1:45:48
  really popular seven years ago. And then I dove into that and,
• 1:45:51
  you know, learn different words and understandings of certain
• 1:45:54
  stuff. And you know, you know, and I
• 1:45:58
  realized from when you are talking about house spirits and
• 1:46:00
  different things like that, you know, you think about it like
• 1:46:04
  the house spirit of an older house may be different from when
• 1:46:06
  you have like a brand new house built because it can be forged
• 1:46:10
  differently with that house spirit.
• 1:46:13
  As well as like, you know, say for example, it's been a
• 1:46:15
  property that's been abandoned for years, you know, on land or
• 1:46:19
  whatever, compared to something that's in a busy area that's
• 1:46:22
  always had there. Something may have happened
• 1:46:25
  because you really don't know the history or you know that
• 1:46:29
  area, so to speak. Like, you know, for example,
• 1:46:31
  where I live at, when I first moved into my house 13 years
• 1:46:35
  ago, almost 14, you know, I had my friends were like, dude, I
• 1:46:39
  see shadows in your yard. Like I was like, dude, I have no
• 1:46:42
  idea what that is. And then somebody was like,
• 1:46:44
  dude, there's one in your house. It's in the corner behind you.
• 1:46:47
  And I'm like this, this house, I bought it and had it moved on my
• 1:46:51
  land. So I don't know what people did
• 1:46:53
  beforehand. And maybe just one walked in
• 1:46:55
  here and I'll take care of it, you know, and, you know, put my
• 1:46:58
  words up and, you know, bless my house and you know, you know,
• 1:47:02
  create a sacred space within my home for protection and all
• 1:47:07
  those different things. And like, a lot of people don't
• 1:47:09
  understand that there's multiple layers when it comes to, you
• 1:47:13
  know, the way of life that we live.
• 1:47:15
  And, you know, we could go all day on this and comparison and
• 1:47:19
  contrast and swap stories of different experiences because
• 1:47:21
  almost all of us are going to have some story that's similar
• 1:47:24
  to one another on experiences of things we deal with, Especially
• 1:47:27
  for people who's been a part of these traditions for so long.
• 1:47:32
  Like, how many years have you been a part of this, Eric?
• 1:47:36
  Oh, what did I say? Like 2006 like. 19.
• 1:47:40
  Almost. 20 years. Yeah.
• 1:47:42
  And see, I'm on my 16th year. And so it's just every
• 1:47:46
  experience is so different. It'd be longer good than that.
• 1:47:49
  I don't know. So it's just everybody's
• 1:47:51
  experiences are so different. And, you know, some of us have
• 1:47:54
  been, you know, at it longer than others and, you know,
• 1:47:59
  sharing stories and sharing experiences or, you know, our
• 1:48:02
  guides for newer people that are just starting out from our
• 1:48:05
  knowledge and wisdom because we're all walking libraries
• 1:48:08
  basically with different things that we've read or seen and, you
• 1:48:12
  know, heard or, you know, through the Grapevine and
• 1:48:15
  whatnot. And for me, like one of my most
• 1:48:20
  interesting things that I observe is, you know, kindreds
• 1:48:22
  and tribes, you know, how they rise and fall.
• 1:48:25
  And they've done that for so many years, you know, And it's
• 1:48:30
  just, it's so interesting to hear the different dynamics of
• 1:48:33
  things when you know the different types of spirits.
• 1:48:36
  You know, the lands, the mountains, the forest, you know,
• 1:48:39
  the sea, the creeks, the streams, you know, it just can
• 1:48:42
  go on and on and on about different experiences.
• 1:48:45
  Like, my first experience, you know, with dealing with the
• 1:48:48
  spirits was when I was a little kid, you know, living up in the
• 1:48:51
  little mountains of Arkansas, you know, camping out there as a
• 1:48:54
  kid. And that's where, you know, I
• 1:48:56
  made my connection with Odin when I was a kid, even though I
• 1:48:59
  didn't really know who his name was.
• 1:49:01
  And yeah, it took me till I was about 21 until I, you know,
• 1:49:04
  figured out who he really was, you know, But, you know, he came
• 1:49:08
  to me as a child, not in a physical form, but in a
• 1:49:11
  spiritual form and told me, you know, one day I would understand
• 1:49:15
  who he is, but to remember his name and, you know, to go from
• 1:49:19
  there. And he came in a spiritual
• 1:49:21
  aspect, even though it wasn't a physical form in the, you know,
• 1:49:26
  the mountains and everything of the spirits of that area, you
• 1:49:30
  know. So it's just, it's really.
• 1:49:32
  Remember my name? Well, which name should I
• 1:49:34
  remember you by? 50,000 I.
• 1:49:37
  Know right you got you got tons of them I know.
• 1:49:42
  I'm just going to get caught up on some comments here.
• 1:49:44
  While he and Wolfpack mentioned something on the topic of
• 1:49:46
  greater Heathenry, there is many ways to heathen facts.
• 1:49:52
  You have also true theatism. Meh.
• 1:49:57
  Urbanism. Folks.
• 1:50:00
  Well, OK, let me let me let me just add a disclaimer here.
• 1:50:03
  The Fadish folk watch out. It's.
• 1:50:08
  Theatism has some real touchy stuff here that does, especially
• 1:50:13
  in today's climate, can can really strike some nerves to
• 1:50:16
  people. There can also be a regional
• 1:50:18
  aspect of that. Yeah, that's I got a good buddy
• 1:50:22
  who's theatish and we are night and day on some of the ways that
• 1:50:25
  we believe and structures, but we have some of the best
• 1:50:28
  conversations and he's the most solid man I've ever met.
• 1:50:31
  Not cut for him any day. But so I can't necessarily I
• 1:50:37
  discredit theism as a whole because I've seen it in action
• 1:50:41
  where it works. I've also seen the toxicity of
• 1:50:43
  it, but I've also seen that every one of these.
• 1:50:46
  Yeah. Oh, yeah, awesome.
• 1:50:47
  True. Forget about it.
• 1:50:47
  You know, it's everybody's got their own way of doing things.
• 1:50:51
  You know, Greater Heathenry as in, so they're saying, you know,
• 1:50:54
  as a greater Heathenry or an orthodox practice in Heathenry
• 1:50:59
  is somewhat an oxymoron. Heathenry isn't orthodox if it's
• 1:51:04
  orthopraxic. We've had.
• 1:51:07
  I didn't say that much. And we've had this discussion
• 1:51:10
  before. It is worth a paraxic.
• 1:51:13
  It is absolutely worth a paraxic.
• 1:51:16
  There is. There can be some orthodoxic
• 1:51:19
  elements to it in accepted lore, and except in on a tribe level
• 1:51:27
  it can be orthodoxic as a greater whole, no.
• 1:51:31
  But yeah, but that's the key point, right?
• 1:51:32
  At a tribal level, it's a tribal food tradition.
• 1:51:37
  And, and, and that the thing of that tribe that that is adopted,
• 1:51:40
  it's, it's not that this tribe does it.
• 1:51:42
  Therefore, it's what every tribe does.
• 1:51:44
  Right, but on that same point, greater the greater heathenry
• 1:51:48
  isn't orthopraxic either because things are done differently in
• 1:51:51
  different regions and by different tribes.
• 1:51:54
  There are some that will say bloat is only blood sacrifice
• 1:51:58
  and that is the only way that you can do it.
• 1:52:00
  Others will differentiate between blolt and feigning.
• 1:52:03
  Some will focus on the fact that bloat doesn't mean blood, it
• 1:52:06
  means sacrifice, and therefore an offering is made regardless
• 1:52:11
  whether or not it's blood offering.
• 1:52:13
  So yeah, it still doesn't necessarily pinpoint on the
• 1:52:18
  whole orthopraxic thing. I am one of those that say
• 1:52:21
  there's as many different versions of Heathenry as there
• 1:52:23
  are different tribes in the world.
• 1:52:26
  Sure yeah do you guys gals have a beginner group?
• 1:52:35
  I've been bullied by heathens in the past so hesitant to risk it
• 1:52:39
  with random groups. Says Seti, the red seti.
• 1:52:43
  I don't know if you're still watching this because I'm just
• 1:52:45
  getting caught up on a lot of comments, but yours is the last
• 1:52:47
  one that I saw 9. Minutes.
• 1:52:50
  Ago, I mean, this is this is kind of a question that I would
• 1:52:54
  say like, where are you like, and this is a tough question to
• 1:52:58
  ask like, oh, where are you located, right.
• 1:53:00
  A lot of folks nowadays are using monikers and and online
• 1:53:04
  personas to hide their true identity, which I totally
• 1:53:08
  understand out of safety reasons.
• 1:53:12
  When it comes to your beginner group thing that you're looking
• 1:53:16
  for, I'll, I'll put myself out here as apoc a point of contact
• 1:53:24
  if you want to e-mail midgardmusingstn@gmail.com with
• 1:53:28
  some of your specifics. I, I totally understand if you
• 1:53:33
  don't want to put this out on a public sort of thing, but if, if
• 1:53:39
  you're a beginner looking to get established or to learn things
• 1:53:42
  at a very one-on-one level, it would be helpful to know where
• 1:53:47
  you are, if we can put you in contact with people in your area
• 1:53:50
  that can help you with this. Matt, you had a question.
• 1:53:54
  Your hand there, Matt. Go ahead.
• 1:53:56
  I'm I'm actually really sorry. I'm it's I have to leave.
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  I'm so sorry about that. A little late.
• 1:54:03
  I just got to this stuff work to do tomorrow early and I just I
• 1:54:07
  really want to thank you guys for having me.
• 1:54:10
  Thank you, Jesse, congratulations on 7 years.
• 1:54:13
  Thank you for everything everyone, it's really nice to
• 1:54:16
  meet you guys. Yeah, nice to meet.
• 1:54:19
  You nice to meet you. Yeah, I just got to go.
• 1:54:21
  I'm so sorry. No worries, Matt.
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  Thank you for your time and I, I appreciate you, man.
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  We'll stay in touch. But yeah, so yeah, anyways,
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  Sadie, right? If you, you know, see this now
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  or, or see it later, whatever. I'll I'll happily be in contact
• 1:54:37
  with you if you want to e-mail me midgardmusingstn@gmail.com to
• 1:54:41
  help with that. I've talked about some things on
• 1:54:44
  my own channel. I know Eric has a heathenry one
• 1:54:46
  O one thing on his which if you go on YouTube and just search
• 1:54:51
  for the Ravens call his will be the channel that pops up but
• 1:54:54
  episode. 4. What's that?
• 1:54:58
  Episode 4 is Heathenry One O 1. OK.
• 1:55:02
  And they are still here. So they're in the UK tried
• 1:55:11
  monthly online spaces and run into the Brosa true types in the
• 1:55:14
  UK. I know somebody who lives in the
• 1:55:19
  UK, but I don't know. I know it's not a very big spot
• 1:55:24
  of land. So I don't want to say like I
• 1:55:27
  know somebody and you might can connect with them because you
• 1:55:29
  know, North and South and east and West and this and that.
• 1:55:34
  But again, I, I know somebody who lived here in North America,
• 1:55:39
  their spouse is, is, is Portuguese and is, was raised in
• 1:55:44
  England. They currently live in the UK.
• 1:55:46
  Now maybe I can get in contact, maybe I can get you in contact
• 1:55:52
  with them and you can figure out geographics in terms of
• 1:55:54
  locations they are, they are trying to to create something of
• 1:55:59
  a like a brick and mortar location.
• 1:56:05
  They have a business that they're trying to open sort of a
• 1:56:07
  metaphysical shop. But he's, he's very animistic in
• 1:56:11
  his Heathenry Seti the red. So if you want to e-mail me
• 1:56:19
  again with with some more specifics geographics in in
• 1:56:21
  terms of where you are in the UK, I'm happy to you say
• 1:56:25
  Northwest. I don't know where my friend is
• 1:56:27
  located specifically. I'm just not familiar with the,
• 1:56:29
  the geographics of the landscape to know where exactly they are.
• 1:56:33
  But it's a point of contact that I at least I know of.
• 1:56:36
  If anybody else here knows of anybody in the UK that, that you
• 1:56:39
  know, they want to throw out here or, or or suggest and
• 1:56:43
  that's fine. But that's my two cents.
• 1:56:45
  I don't. Think I've got anybody in the UK
• 1:56:47
  right now? Yeah, I've got one in Denmark
• 1:56:50
  and then one in France, and then I have another one in Norway and
• 1:56:55
  there's one in Sweden that I know of, but not in the UKI.
• 1:57:01
  Have a friend in Wales but he's not Ethan.
• 1:57:07
  OK, we'll, we'll we'll, we'll see what we can do then.
• 1:57:11
  You got my contact information. Feel free to shoot me an e-mail.
• 1:57:14
  Crushing nihilism says I had a I've had a drunk Chieftain who
• 1:57:19
  had a firearm on him screaming in my face for upsetting his
• 1:57:25
  brother. Kindreds can be squirrely bikes
• 1:57:29
  on several on several bikes there, my guy.
• 1:57:32
  Yeah, we. Were red flags.
• 1:57:34
  Yeah, run. Yeah, multiple red flags there.
• 1:57:38
  Run. Simple as that.
• 1:57:40
  Just. One, there is no gatekeeping and
• 1:57:42
  everything you're doing is wrong.
• 1:57:47
  Yeah, we. Yeah.
• 1:57:50
  That was such a thing back in the day of Heathenry Online and
• 1:57:54
  I hate it that you're doing it wrong, guys.
• 1:57:58
  And I think we've mostly gotten past a lot of that.
• 1:58:03
  It's always going to be there. There's always going to be an
• 1:58:04
  element of the hardcore, like hardcore Reconstructionist or
• 1:58:08
  just the I am so full of myself, my way is the only way kind of
• 1:58:12
  thing. But I think enough saying people
• 1:58:16
  have gotten on the Internet at this point that there are
• 1:58:19
  workarounds for that. But man, is that a call back.
• 1:58:22
  Yeah, I got, I got 2 flashbacks. There's 2 pages that I'm on and
• 1:58:28
  you know, originally it was people posting really good stuff
• 1:58:32
  and then all of a sudden it turned into Vikings this,
• 1:58:36
  Vikings that and then it turned into like this.
• 1:58:40
  I'm looking for a shield maiden. I'm looking for my Viking man
• 1:58:44
  and I'm. Like the the Viking.
• 1:58:47
  Yeah. And I'm just like, no, it wasn't
• 1:58:50
  that in the beginning. Like people were actually
• 1:58:52
  posting good stuff. And then it went back to
• 1:58:54
  Vikings, the TV show, and then it went into Vikings Valhalla.
• 1:58:59
  And then all of a sudden they started talking about soup.
• 1:59:02
  Every time somebody said Viking, they would talk about Viking
• 1:59:04
  soup. And then it turned into I'm
• 1:59:07
  looking for a shield maid. And I'm like, what?
• 1:59:09
  Just. And it conspired over like, a
• 1:59:11
  month. And it was ridiculous because,
• 1:59:13
  you know, I post pretty much, you know, the basic stuff of
• 1:59:17
  understanding of, you know, what is a part of our faith about the
• 1:59:21
  Eddas, the sagas. And, you know, I do summaries
• 1:59:25
  about different things and the gods, goddesses.
• 1:59:28
  Yeah, different entries about stuff about, you know, the room.
• 1:59:31
  I like your rune posts too there Amelia, like I.
• 1:59:35
  Love, I love and hate those things at the same time because
• 1:59:39
  I'll have one guy that'll come on there and he'll make a
• 1:59:42
  comment and I'm just like, OK, or somebody will like nitpick
• 1:59:46
  something. I'm like, listen, are you, are
• 1:59:49
  you making stuff like this? No.
• 1:59:53
  Are you helping build a better community?
• 1:59:54
  Do you have a kindred or are you doing anything besides trolling
• 1:59:58
  people? And they're like, no.
• 1:59:59
  And I'm like, then get off my page.
• 2:00:01
  Like I don't have time for you. Like I'm trying to help other
• 2:00:03
  people learn because I remember when.
• 2:00:06
  We all started out, you know, it was like digging through books
• 2:00:10
  to try to find good stuff. And like, to me, like even the
• 2:00:12
  first like 3 or 4 years, it took me that long to find the good
• 2:00:17
  books, not the ones that were UPG and different things like
• 2:00:22
  that until I came across the right library.
• 2:00:25
  And you know, for us, the way everything is right now, we
• 2:00:29
  could teach so easily because we've already been where they're
• 2:00:33
  at. So we could help them skip those
• 2:00:35
  corners that we had to go through reading the dry reads or
• 2:00:39
  the bad reads or, you know, the books that were a waste of our
• 2:00:42
  time. And so for me, it's just like
• 2:00:46
  people just make a comment or talk crazy and I'm like, get off
• 2:00:50
  river Pine right now. Like I don't have time for you.
• 2:00:53
  I'm going to pull the mom card. Go home right now.
• 2:00:56
  Little boy like. I don't have time for you.
• 2:00:59
  And you know, I'm always giving my mom vibes off.
• 2:01:02
  Get off my lawn, I. Know, and I'm just I'm trying to
• 2:01:05
  help people, you know, because I don't ever want anybody to be
• 2:01:09
  where I was because I practiced alone and you know you've heard
• 2:01:12
  me talk about this before, Jesse.
• 2:01:14
  I practiced alone for seven or eight years before River Pine
• 2:01:18
  got established. And yeah, it did teach me a lot
• 2:01:21
  of great lessons. And I had, you know, a solitary
• 2:01:26
  practice that was a different connection than what I have with
• 2:01:29
  the community that I do now and with River Pine members as well
• 2:01:33
  as other people that, you know, we build community with.
• 2:01:37
  It's a different spiritual connection.
• 2:01:40
  But man, Facebook some days and that algorithm, it's just like
• 2:01:44
  beating you up and people troll and I'm like, I'm going to be
• 2:01:48
  off Facebook. I'm just going to share my stuff
• 2:01:50
  that I have scheduled out. You share it wonderful.
• 2:01:54
  It's like I'm not going to be on here for the rest of the day.
• 2:01:56
  Yeah, dude. And, and you know, you and me,
• 2:02:00
  you know Amelia, you and I and and even Eric there for the
• 2:02:03
  longest time, you know, like, you know, being a being a
• 2:02:06
  anybody content creators, you know what I mean?
• 2:02:11
  Like too many people chase the algorithm, too many people chase
• 2:02:15
  the trends, too many people try to stay relevant to whatever it
• 2:02:18
  is that's popular. And the, and I, I hit a point a
• 2:02:23
  couple years ago where I was trending down that dangerous
• 2:02:26
  path where I'm like, I got to stay relevant.
• 2:02:28
  I got to keep up with my views and this and that.
• 2:02:30
  And it was taking away from the, the authenticity of what I do.
• 2:02:34
  And that's such a, it, it is. It's an easy trap to find
• 2:02:39
  oneself caught in, you know, like, you know, the, the city of
• 2:02:45
  the red, like you know it. They feel that people are really
• 2:02:47
  harsh in many spaces to beginners.
• 2:02:51
  And, and listen, if you're going to talk about Loki, anybody who
• 2:02:55
  has miles into their tires that that that has an ego about them
• 2:03:00
  is going to come firing back at you with some really harsh stuff
• 2:03:03
  about Loki. I mean, that's just, there's,
• 2:03:08
  there's less people that know how to approach that in a right
• 2:03:11
  way than there are that people that just want to attack you.
• 2:03:15
  If that's your angle on things, you know, it's, it's a, it's a,
• 2:03:19
  it's a touchy place to be as a heathen.
• 2:03:22
  If, if, if Loki is your focus of attention, I'll say that you're
• 2:03:29
  gonna get a lot of Flack. It's a tough road to hoe and
• 2:03:34
  that is one that is probably the most contentious.
• 2:03:40
  So studies you're going through and you're doing stuff, do not
• 2:03:43
  take it seriously, all right? Don't don't let it get to you.
• 2:03:48
  The only person whose opinion matters on your practice is your
• 2:03:53
  own. And as long as my rules are as
• 2:03:56
  long as you're good with your gods, the ancestors and the
• 2:03:59
  people around you, you're good heathen in my book.
• 2:04:03
  I'm not going to judge. I don't balk.
• 2:04:06
  Now, there are certain ones that I won't do ritual with if
• 2:04:10
  that's, you know, their tack, simply because our religious
• 2:04:15
  views don't jive. There are individuals out there
• 2:04:18
  that can have a diplomatic and intelligent conversation with
• 2:04:23
  you without falling into vitriol and.
• 2:04:32
  And he's friends. He's friends.
• 2:04:36
  He'll be back. Am I back?
• 2:04:38
  Yeah, you're back, you said. And and then we lost you for a
• 2:04:40
  second. Yeah, I know I went away.
• 2:04:42
  My whole thing was just said. Hang in there, it's a tough Rd.
• 2:04:45
  but the only one who matters is you.
• 2:04:47
  Not my hall, not my call. Forget the Odin guard, they
• 2:04:49
  don't matter. Yeah, it's Tolheim, Eric.
• 2:04:54
  Tolheim. Eric to to to coin that term.
• 2:04:57
  Tolheim is the Internet. It's the the realm of trolls and
• 2:05:00
  and something good about trolls in the lore.
• 2:05:04
  They're they're menacing. They're menacing, they're
• 2:05:06
  meddlesome little little little suckers, you know what I mean?
• 2:05:10
  Do not feed the trolls. I don't even respond to them
• 2:05:15
  anymore. They'll just say whatever and
• 2:05:16
  I'm just like thumbs up. Don't feed the trolls.
• 2:05:19
  Exactly. Which is weird to do when you're
• 2:05:23
  you know, when, when you're creating content, right?
• 2:05:25
  Like, cuz that's the whole thing they tell you, right?
• 2:05:27
  Oh, you got to engage with your not missing that.
• 2:05:30
  No, don't. I'll tell you what, engage with
• 2:05:31
  this. Right I.
• 2:05:34
  Got time, I got time. I don't know my positive way
• 2:05:38
  that I do everything if I can't comment on what they're talking
• 2:05:41
  about because it's just I don't really have anything to say.
• 2:05:43
  Like I'll heart it or I'll put the caring emoji on it, or I'll
• 2:05:48
  say thank you, I appreciate you and I keep it real positive and
• 2:05:52
  everything but like, but my take.
• 2:05:55
  Care of it. My, my main deal is, is like,
• 2:05:57
  you know, after so long, you know, because you can only talk
• 2:06:02
  about the runes for so long and you know, different parts of the
• 2:06:06
  Eddas and the sagas and you know, don't be wrong.
• 2:06:09
  There's like 45 sagas. I think there is, you can go
• 2:06:12
  through that are, they're not really the like there's really
• 2:06:15
  only maybe 7 or 8 popular ones and then all the rest are just
• 2:06:19
  kind of, you know, miscellaneous ones.
• 2:06:22
  But like, for me, like, when it comes to making content, like
• 2:06:26
  after a while, you just kind of hit a roadblock and then you
• 2:06:29
  have to start repeating everything again.
• 2:06:31
  Now I worried, you know. Oh well, would they like it if I
• 2:06:34
  bring back up the runes again? Or go through the gods and
• 2:06:37
  goddesses? Again, you know, content
• 2:06:41
  creations. Yeah, and like you can only talk
• 2:06:45
  about so many different aspects to where the the story gets old.
• 2:06:50
  You know, how many episodes in are you?
• 2:06:53
  I'm not on episodes. I do.
• 2:06:55
  I do posts like I do very in depth posts.
• 2:06:58
  Gotcha, gotcha. I'm I was, when I took my
• 2:07:02
  hiatus, I was at like 200 something episodes and you
• 2:07:06
  definitely hit a wall, especially when you're doing
• 2:07:09
  like 45 minute long diatribes about heathen stuff.
• 2:07:14
  You can find inspirations and then get the juices flowing
• 2:07:18
  again and then Rev right back up and go down an alley that you
• 2:07:20
  realize that you haven't done yet.
• 2:07:23
  But yeah, you'll, you'll hit those points where it's just
• 2:07:25
  like, I can't. And then you'll have like with
• 2:07:28
  me, like life stuff ate up all my spoons.
• 2:07:31
  I didn't have any spoons left. So unfortunately, content
• 2:07:35
  creation had to be one of the first things that fell by the
• 2:07:37
  wayside. And I'm looking to get back into
• 2:07:41
  it. But it's also daunting because
• 2:07:44
  trying to get back onto a schedule and stuff and and
• 2:07:47
  craziness and work and all this other stuff, I'm like, really
• 2:07:52
  got to be ready to have been it if I'm going to do it.
• 2:07:55
  I know that's one of my deals. I, I think I spend all Sunday
• 2:07:59
  long making content for five days.
• 2:08:02
  And I've gotten to the point where I do 2 posts a day and
• 2:08:06
  then like Saturdays I check on see how people's weekends are
• 2:08:12
  going. And then Sunday I shout out to
• 2:08:14
  the new people that joined River Pine.
• 2:08:17
  And like I had somebody message me and they were like, oh, can
• 2:08:20
  you teach classes online? I'm like, well, I've already got
• 2:08:23
  lessons plans made-up that are already wrote out on my Google
• 2:08:27
  Docs. Would you like to use them?
• 2:08:29
  And he was like, yeah, that's great.
• 2:08:31
  And everything, you know, and it goes over the Edas, you know, on
• 2:08:34
  each one of them, on different, you know, explaining and
• 2:08:37
  breaking everything down. It's like a a three month
• 2:08:40
  process to go through all of it to understand and digest it all.
• 2:08:44
  Because, you know, I think a lot of people, they rush through all
• 2:08:48
  these different things. And you know, there's like over
• 2:08:50
  150 books that you can read that are good books.
• 2:08:55
  That's it. No, the ones that I've.
• 2:08:57
  Found 100 and. 50 It's a. Starting point.
• 2:09:02
  Yeah. 150 you know, and there comes a point where you've got
• 2:09:05
  to stop reading and start living.
• 2:09:08
  Yeah. That's what I hit That was like,
• 2:09:10
  I'm going to stop reading books and start writing books.
• 2:09:13
  Yeah, and see, that was when that's when I made that post on
• 2:09:17
  Heathenry. Like, you could read all the
• 2:09:19
  books that you want, but if you cannot practice these things in
• 2:09:26
  your daily life, you're missing the point.
• 2:09:28
  It's just like, yeah, like you could dress like a someone from
• 2:09:32
  the Viking Age, go to a, you know, a rent fair and dress like
• 2:09:37
  your ancestors did to, you know, honor them.
• 2:09:42
  Yes, I know. I know it's burping, but at.
• 2:09:46
  But at the end of the day, you still have to wear your regular
• 2:09:49
  clothes and go back to work, right.
• 2:09:52
  Just like, you know, the mother, you know, being a mother,
• 2:09:56
  raising your kids, teaching them about the old ways and stuff,
• 2:09:59
  that's being a hearth mother, even though they may not realize
• 2:10:02
  it. Just like, yeah, living off the
• 2:10:05
  land and being a farmer may bring you closer to the land
• 2:10:08
  spirits and things like that. But there will come a point
• 2:10:12
  sometimes you do have to go to the grocery store for something,
• 2:10:16
  you know, eventually because we live in a modern day and we are
• 2:10:20
  modern heathen. It does tip into the whole,
• 2:10:23
  again, regionalization, grass roots kind of thing.
• 2:10:25
  The heathenry of a farmer is going to be different than the
• 2:10:28
  heathenry of a city dweller or a rural individual who doesn't
• 2:10:31
  farm. Yeah, there's going to be some
• 2:10:33
  significant differences. Vector are going to play a much
• 2:10:36
  larger role, very palpable and like life threatening role.
• 2:10:42
  It's like if this doesn't work then the crop goes down and we
• 2:10:46
  aren't going to be able to pay for the farm kind of deal.
• 2:10:50
  Yeah, that's a big thing of it nowadays.
• 2:10:52
  Like there's there's a lot of that homesteading mentality.
• 2:10:55
  I mean just the way that the world has become.
• 2:10:59
  There's a lot of folk, whether they're heathen or not, that are
• 2:11:02
  that are looking to the land. As you know, you don't even have
• 2:11:08
  to go back that very far in our recent history.
• 2:11:12
  And you hundred 200 years, if that two or three generations,
• 2:11:15
  most where people were more reliant and more dependent upon
• 2:11:19
  the land than they are now. And they're and they're
• 2:11:22
  realizing that they're it's like this is something I need to do.
• 2:11:27
  Well, yeah. It's just, I mean, when
• 2:11:30
  everything else shits the bed, you know?
• 2:11:33
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:11:33
  And to me, like, I think it's great that all this stuff is,
• 2:11:37
  you know, being brought back to light and everything.
• 2:11:40
  And, you know, in a way it's funny because, you know, they
• 2:11:42
  always do those posts. Like she starts off with making
• 2:11:45
  sourdough and then they make the joke to the husband.
• 2:11:47
  Might as well go to Lowe's and start building a chicken coop
• 2:11:49
  because that's the what's coming next.
• 2:11:51
  And then the garden and the rabbits and everything else.
• 2:11:54
  And they make a joke about it now on those reels and stuff.
• 2:11:58
  And, you know, for me, like I live out in the country, like
• 2:12:01
  yes, like I can't grow my own wheat, but I do buy wheat
• 2:12:06
  berries and, you know, mail my own flour.
• 2:12:09
  I do can and make stuff from scratch.
• 2:12:11
  I do, you know, holistic stuff and make tinchers and, you know,
• 2:12:15
  I make my own vanilla extract and things like that.
• 2:12:18
  Like, I do make a lot of stuff homemade, even though yes, I do
• 2:12:21
  work a full time job and you know, I have a family and, you
• 2:12:25
  know, River Pine and the. Community and all that.
• 2:12:28
  Yeah, We do what we can. And like, yeah.
• 2:12:29
  Like back in the day when my kids were little and I was at
• 2:12:32
  home, yeah, I could do a whole lot more.
• 2:12:34
  But now, you know, I still find a balance in it all.
• 2:12:37
  And, you know, it gives me a sense of pride that I can mill
• 2:12:40
  my own flour and make some bread from scratch.
• 2:12:43
  You know, my kids love it. But at the same time, you know,
• 2:12:47
  yeah. Like does it really bring me
• 2:12:49
  closer to my ancestors? Yeah, like you have to live it.
• 2:12:55
  It's it's, it's, it's a living tradition.
• 2:12:57
  You have to live it. I mean, if, if, if what it takes
• 2:12:59
  for you to do that requires you to learn from books and you have
• 2:13:03
  to read and you have to study. I mean, like I grew up on a
• 2:13:06
  farm, you know, and, and learn the farming lifestyle, the
• 2:13:10
  homesteading lifestyle, because I was doing it So, so much of
• 2:13:14
  that comes from, you know, actual life experiences.
• 2:13:18
  It, it wasn't so much a, I read it from a book and I thought it
• 2:13:23
  was cool and let me adopt it. It was, I, I lived it, you know,
• 2:13:27
  I, I, I was, I was active in that lifestyle.
• 2:13:31
  And so if what it takes for people that didn't have that
• 2:13:35
  living experience is to read about it, OK, that's a seed.
• 2:13:41
  That's a seed that's planted. And then you apply you, you have
• 2:13:45
  to, once the seed is planted, what do we have to do?
• 2:13:47
  Right? We have to nurture.
• 2:13:50
  Let's see, we have to water, we have to dung it, we have to feed
• 2:13:53
  it. We have to nurture, we have to
• 2:13:54
  do the thing, you know, that is what it takes to grow what it is
• 2:14:00
  you're trying to do. It's not about, you know, I'm
• 2:14:02
  not talking about the things that we're talking about today
• 2:14:05
  just to talk about it. It's, it's, it's sharing
• 2:14:11
  knowledge, it's sharing education, It's, it's
• 2:14:13
  collaborating, It's, it's getting people together in this
• 2:14:15
  sort of way to, you know, these are people that live it and we
• 2:14:23
  also come. From it from different corns.
• 2:14:27
  You know who's heathenry I care about?
• 2:14:29
  Yours. Exactly.
• 2:14:32
  You know who's I don't care about?
• 2:14:33
  Mine. Exactly.
• 2:14:36
  If you're not my I don't care. Not my call, not my call.
• 2:14:41
  I only care about my heathery, my approach to either.
• 2:14:44
  I care about Radgar and our way. The Radgari Heathenry is the
• 2:14:47
  only heathenry that really matters to me.
• 2:14:49
  And that's because this is ours. This is what this is our
• 2:14:53
  existence. This is what we are living.
• 2:14:56
  And I don't care what anybody else says.
• 2:14:58
  I don't care if somebody in California or the UK is telling
• 2:15:01
  me that I'm doing it wrong. Dude that lives next door to
• 2:15:03
  Thingveller can call me up and be like, you're not doing it
• 2:15:06
  right. I'll be like, I don't care.
• 2:15:08
  I genuinely don't care. I'm doing it right by us.
• 2:15:11
  This is how we have to do it and.
• 2:15:15
  Now the. Things that we do, we're passing
• 2:15:17
  on there. He.
• 2:15:21
  Goes he got it decided he lost the signal.
• 2:15:24
  Yeah, he'll be back and yeah, and it's.
• 2:15:27
  Funny because of the fact that there's a guy that I know and
• 2:15:32
  Norway and he feels the same way that Eric does.
• 2:15:35
  Like he literally tells people all the time, you don't like it
• 2:15:38
  because I'm a heater or the way I live.
• 2:15:40
  He's like, I don't care. He was just like, you do not
• 2:15:43
  affect my life and I'm gonna go on with my life.
• 2:15:46
  And he's very bold about it. Like even if we have different
• 2:15:50
  moments of thought processes about different things, he's
• 2:15:52
  like, I don't care. And then we keep on with the
• 2:15:55
  conversations. Just it is what it is kind of
• 2:15:57
  thing. You know, they're not paying
• 2:15:58
  bills on our back porch, you know they're not, you know?
• 2:16:02
  To that, to that point, to that point, I would also like to just
• 2:16:08
  play devil's advocate and say what if, right, the thing that
• 2:16:13
  we're doing respectively to one another is what it is.
• 2:16:17
  And then we have somebody else that says, hey, I'm doing this
• 2:16:20
  thing that or the other. Can we be, can we be open minded
• 2:16:26
  enough to not infringe upon the luck, the strength, everything
• 2:16:30
  that our individual collectives have retained, maintained and
• 2:16:36
  built? Can we be open and construct and
• 2:16:39
  constructive enough to be like, I'm going to take what you say,
• 2:16:43
  I'm going to see if it applies or I'm going to at least, you
• 2:16:46
  know, be be observant enough. I'm not going to shut you off
• 2:16:50
  100% because it's not your way. Therefore it's not my way and
• 2:16:53
  therefore meh, right? Can we be wise enough as Odin is
• 2:17:00
  as the wanderer to to to understand that there are things
• 2:17:05
  that can happen outside of our immediate tribal beliefs or
• 2:17:10
  structures that can maybe be beneficial?
• 2:17:13
  Oh, maybe I need to learn this thing, that or the other.
• 2:17:16
  Wisdom is. Wisdom.
• 2:17:17
  I agree. With that.
• 2:17:18
  Right. I can agree with that because
• 2:17:20
  when River Pine first started, you know, the, you know, three
• 2:17:25
  people wanted to start at Kindred.
• 2:17:27
  And I wasn't really. I was just along for the ride at
• 2:17:31
  the moment, taking it all into consideration.
• 2:17:34
  And we went to several other different Kindreds and tribes to
• 2:17:39
  get a feel of how they did stuff and, you know, ask their wisdom.
• 2:17:43
  You know, I met Eric and I met several other Kindreds until we
• 2:17:47
  decided how we wanted to do the foundation.
• 2:17:50
  Yeah, we found inspiration in different ways and we made it
• 2:17:53
  into our own to where it works for us.
• 2:17:57
  And you know, I've never really had anybody knock how we do
• 2:18:00
  rituals or our gatherings or anything like that, to be
• 2:18:05
  honest. Like, but you know, I'm pretty
• 2:18:08
  sure there's people that don't really like people that were in
• 2:18:11
  the past that was in our kindred, which that's fine too.
• 2:18:13
  I don't really care. But you know, everybody does
• 2:18:16
  stuff differently and we find inspiration.
• 2:18:18
  Like I went to numerous rituals from different kindreds and
• 2:18:23
  they've taught me valuable lessons about how they did
• 2:18:26
  ritual, which in the end to me, honestly, going to these rituals
• 2:18:32
  and gatherings and meeting these different people helps shape me
• 2:18:35
  into the Gidea that I did not know that I was becoming when
• 2:18:41
  River Pine first started to make me be the person that I am now
• 2:18:47
  and shaped me into what I do for community as well as how we do
• 2:18:52
  ritual structure and how our kindred or tribe is set up.
• 2:18:56
  You know, people inspire us in different ways.
• 2:18:59
  And sometimes they teach us good things and sometimes they teach
• 2:19:02
  us things that we realize that we don't want in our life.
• 2:19:06
  And it gives us, you know, everybody is our our guide to
• 2:19:09
  something that what we're going to be in the outcome.
• 2:19:13
  And it can be positive or negative.
• 2:19:15
  It can be, you know, in the middle of the road type of
• 2:19:17
  stuff. And it just, it is what it is,
• 2:19:19
  you know? This all ties into the whole
• 2:19:21
  luck aspect of things too. Thank you, Blake.
• 2:19:24
  I was just thinking the same thing.
• 2:19:26
  Luck. It's not inherently good or bad.
• 2:19:27
  Lessons are not inherently good or bad.
• 2:19:29
  It's it's what do you do with the, with, with the instruction,
• 2:19:33
  with the lesson? Yeah, and that's why from
• 2:19:39
  everybody, like if I go, if I go to another person's gathering or
• 2:19:42
  some of that, I usually take weight.
• 2:19:44
  They just like she said, they've only said here is that when I
• 2:19:48
  get when I go to different ritual stuff, I look at what
• 2:19:52
  they're doing, I look at what we're doing.
• 2:19:54
  But I I won't do exactly how they do it, but I will take will
• 2:19:59
  Nuggets with me as I go. Yeah, if that's the appropriate
• 2:20:04
  thing to do, right, 'cause I mean, listen, if I were to go to
• 2:20:07
  East Texas tomorrow and, or, or next month or whenever, right,
• 2:20:12
  And, and be a part of Fridgar's Livka, you know what I mean?
• 2:20:15
  Or whatever. And then, and then, and then
• 2:20:18
  Eric comes in the next week and, and sees what we do for cigar
• 2:20:21
  bloat. There's gonna be differences.
• 2:20:23
  There's gotta be different things.
• 2:20:25
  It's, it's a, it's a time of year where each tribe or each
• 2:20:28
  group or each collective is doing something for that time of
• 2:20:31
  year, but they're doing it in different ways.
• 2:20:33
  Maybe maybe one group learns something from the other and,
• 2:20:36
  and vice versa. And then we take that
• 2:20:38
  information or that or that knowledge or that sharing or
• 2:20:41
  whatever back and we talk and we, and we say, Hey, this is
• 2:20:44
  what these people did. You know, I'm not saying to, to,
• 2:20:47
  to change something just for the sake of changing it.
• 2:20:50
  If it ain't broke, don't have that kind of thing.
• 2:20:52
  However, if something is inspiring enough to say, wow,
• 2:20:57
  this moved me, right, What? You know, we don't want to
• 2:21:01
  compromise the tradition. Of a group of.
• 2:21:04
  Of just for the sake. Like it's kind of like going to
• 2:21:08
  the potluck and you find recipes that you like, you want to
• 2:21:11
  borrow it. Like say you mind sharing,
• 2:21:14
  right? Like a recipe?
• 2:21:18
  Like a meal or something that needs, you know, it's like
• 2:21:22
  sloppy recipes. Does anyone ever have visions or
• 2:21:28
  dreams from after having a ritual or a bloat or whatever
• 2:21:34
  you want to call it? I have.
• 2:21:38
  That's not something. I have, yes.
• 2:21:40
  There. I have that.
• 2:21:43
  I have that, yes. What'd you say, Eric?
• 2:21:48
  So that's not something I'm going to discuss on the air.
• 2:21:50
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I'll, I'll say I have,
• 2:21:52
  but I won't necessarily go into like.
• 2:21:54
  That's what I meant. That's what I meant to like, I
• 2:21:56
  was going to say it was a yes or no question, you know?
• 2:21:59
  Since we've all kind of simmered down, now I want to check off
• 2:22:02
  one more box on the bingo thing for whoever's got their
• 2:22:04
  scorecards ready. Are we playing four quarters?
• 2:22:08
  The Y matters. Purpose.
• 2:22:11
  The Y matters. That's why.
• 2:22:14
  You know, I look at how other people do things and their
• 2:22:18
  ritual and I figure out their why.
• 2:22:21
  What is the purpose Is it? Are we trying to facilitate
• 2:22:25
  connection to the gods and goddesses?
• 2:22:27
  OK, we have our mechanism for it.
• 2:22:30
  Let me see if the way they meet that why is any more effective
• 2:22:35
  than the way we meet the why. And if so, why is that?
• 2:22:39
  And then I'll use that to refine our way.
• 2:22:41
  I won't replace our way, but I will refine it.
• 2:22:44
  I'll hone it and find craft it like a Craftsman who is working
• 2:22:48
  towards a masterwork piece. I will sit there and just drive
• 2:22:52
  that in until I get it exactly where I need it.
• 2:22:55
  I'm dialing it in for our tribe and the way we do things.
• 2:22:59
  And so, yeah, absolutely. And I will share certain
• 2:23:02
  elements of how we do things for other people so that they can do
• 2:23:05
  the same thing. They can figure out their why.
• 2:23:07
  And but I won't share everything because I don't want them just
• 2:23:11
  to crib our stuff. I want them to figure out the
• 2:23:14
  why, figure out how to feed the why and chase the why.
• 2:23:17
  That's where knowledge is. You know, knowledge isn't in
• 2:23:20
  following a recipe. Knowledge is.
• 2:23:24
  You know, wisdom is learning to look at what you got, figuring
• 2:23:27
  out what you could make, you know, dial that in.
• 2:23:30
  Yeah, knowledge versus wisdom, right?
• 2:23:32
  Knowledge is knowing the recipe. Wisdom is, do I, do I cook This
• 2:23:38
  is, is, is the recipe good for the people?
• 2:23:40
  Are they going to be able to eat what I'm cooking?
• 2:23:42
  Are they going to be able to absorb the meal that I provide?
• 2:23:46
  If not, like, then the knowledge doesn't really mean anything
• 2:23:50
  because oh, I've got this, but it doesn't.
• 2:23:52
  It doesn't have a practical application.
• 2:23:54
  There's no purpose for knowing it.
• 2:23:56
  It's just vacant knowledge at that point.
• 2:24:00
  I know something for the sake of knowing it.
• 2:24:02
  Big whoop, right? So the purpose, yes, I, I
• 2:24:08
  believe what you're saying, Eric, is, is is wise, right?
• 2:24:12
  Know your why, why I've talked, I've know I've talked about this
• 2:24:16
  countless times before too, right?
• 2:24:17
  Purpose over intention. You might have the greatest
• 2:24:21
  intention behind learning everything from A-Z.
• 2:24:27
  Well, what's the purpose? Where is your purpose in
• 2:24:30
  learning this? Are you going to apply all these
• 2:24:32
  things to the betterment of your people or just is it just to
• 2:24:36
  have a notch on your belt to say I know this blah blah blah?
• 2:24:39
  Right to figure out what the why is and the how will make itself
• 2:24:44
  clear. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:24:51
  We're gonna hit all of my catch phrases by the time we're done
• 2:24:53
  here. It's a thing.
• 2:24:57
  It's a thing, Max. Oof da, oof da.
• 2:25:03
  It's a thing, Yeah, the drinking game.
• 2:25:10
  Well, I'm gonna say. Wise ever do the drinking game
• 2:25:12
  to my YouTube channel you will die.
• 2:25:14
  Oh, yeah. I'll, I'll be the first to
• 2:25:16
  attend and probably the first to leave.
• 2:25:20
  Sometimes you only know you're wise.
• 2:25:23
  Two things ain't made for everyone.
• 2:25:25
  Yeah, I mean, that's and that's the beauty of it.
• 2:25:28
  It's, you know, it's it's not cookie cutter, it's not
• 2:25:31
  universal. You know, one size does not fit
• 2:25:33
  all and and that's what you have to, that's what we have to take
• 2:25:41
  away from it. It's, you know, Kevin says that
• 2:25:45
  I missed the UPG warning. No, but you did I I did do the
• 2:25:50
  whole 321. Let's jam before we went.
• 2:25:51
  Live. Yeah, you did.
• 2:25:52
  Yeah, you did. Yeah, you did.
• 2:25:55
  Yeah, yeah. Big UPG warning at the top of
• 2:25:58
  the show. What is it?
• 2:26:02
  An ossipope? That was the other one.
• 2:26:04
  I asked the ASA Pope. I am no ASA Pope.
• 2:26:10
  Now, and neither am I neither, neither are we, you know, like,
• 2:26:13
  and that's it gets lost a little bit because we we get into this
• 2:26:17
  like rhythm or this, you know, pattern of doing things.
• 2:26:21
  You know, I come on here every week and I do this, this, this
• 2:26:25
  show and I, you know, I, I try to give a disclaimer, especially
• 2:26:30
  on the regular stuff like, hey, you know, this is my view on
• 2:26:33
  things. It's, it's not a reflection on
• 2:26:35
  the overarching heathen. It's not even a reflection on
• 2:26:39
  the people that I tend to, to, to, to run with per SE.
• 2:26:44
  It's, it's, it's my view on things.
• 2:26:45
  So take that as you will. Do your own research, find your
• 2:26:48
  way, it, you know, find a way or make a way.
• 2:26:51
  But, but do your own diligence, right?
• 2:26:53
  Like do your own research, find it out if if it fits for you.
• 2:26:59
  Well, here's one for you, Jesse. I know we're still doing
• 2:27:01
  comments and stuff, but you know, we were talking about
• 2:27:03
  predestination earlier, right? And we were talking about, you
• 2:27:07
  know, kind of approach on the gods and stuff.
• 2:27:09
  Well, there's a saying that has always bugged me and that's
• 2:27:12
  everything happens for a reason. That's a predestination way of
• 2:27:15
  looking at things. That's that's like driven in the
• 2:27:17
  Western thought. My counter to that is that it's
• 2:27:22
  not that everything happens for a reason.
• 2:27:24
  It's that you must find the reason and everything that
• 2:27:26
  happens. Oh, oh.
• 2:27:31
  Find the reason why it happened. Find the reason.
• 2:27:34
  Find the why? What's the logic, what's the
• 2:27:36
  wisdom? What's the lesson that you can
• 2:27:37
  learn from this? Because it's not necessarily set
• 2:27:39
  out, so sometimes you have to. Well, you were there at that
• 2:27:43
  moment to, to, to be present when it happened.
• 2:27:48
  You could have been anywhere else.
• 2:27:50
  You were there. Find the reason.
• 2:27:53
  Yeah, on the why anyway, goes back to the very.
• 2:27:57
  That deck you to thought for me, sorry.
• 2:28:00
  Yeah. I thought we were going to go
• 2:28:01
  down another rabbit. Hole.
• 2:28:03
  No, we're good. I'll stop it there.
• 2:28:07
  We might just leave that, we might just, we might just.
• 2:28:09
  We might just put that as the the.
• 2:28:13
  Tagline. Yeah, the tagline.
• 2:28:14
  Find the why. Say it one more time, Eric.
• 2:28:17
  It's not that. Everything.
• 2:28:19
  It's not that it's not everything happens for a reason.
• 2:28:24
  It's find the reason in everything that happens.
• 2:28:29
  All right. But you got to pay attention
• 2:28:31
  though, got to have that fight for it because some people just
• 2:28:34
  go through their life just going through the motions.
• 2:28:36
  Then there's like, I don't know why this keeps on happening and
• 2:28:39
  then all of a sudden they don't see the big picture.
• 2:28:42
  That's. Great.
• 2:28:43
  They ask, they ask, they ask outside.
• 2:28:46
  Why? Why is this happening to me?
• 2:28:47
  They they, they ask the go the they asked the spiritual leader,
• 2:28:50
  they asked the person they asked to shine.
• 2:28:51
  Why am I sick? Why am I sick?
• 2:28:55
  Figured out. Figured out.
• 2:28:57
  Figured out. Why are you asking me?
• 2:29:01
  You know, and that's, that's a hard thing.
• 2:29:04
  Like, don't get me wrong, like I know common sense isn't very
• 2:29:07
  common and like some people see stuff from a spiritual level,
• 2:29:12
  you know that some people can see and some people can't.
• 2:29:15
  You know, it doesn't matter if it's a mentally, physically
• 2:29:19
  thing for the the why when it comes to people and stuff like
• 2:29:22
  that. But there's some stuff I see
• 2:29:26
  these days and I'm just like, wow, I'm like, I was like, I
• 2:29:32
  don't, I don't know why that happened, but here we are.
• 2:29:36
  It's like that's why we we do or don't have nice things, you
• 2:29:40
  know, or it's like, I just see something.
• 2:29:42
  I'm like, well. I'm.
• 2:29:44
  Yeah, yeah. It's like I'm y'all have a good
• 2:29:46
  day. Like I'm on my head on out.
• 2:29:49
  Like I don't know where you get off that, but I'm gonna go that
• 2:29:51
  way. Have a good day.
• 2:29:53
  It's good. And you know, as a a goalie or a
• 2:29:57
  gibeah or a leader, so to speak, you know, at times you have to
• 2:30:01
  be a peacekeeper and then other times you just have to put your
• 2:30:03
  foot down and be like, Nope, no, ma'am, not happening.
• 2:30:08
  You know it's. A unique, it's a unique place to
• 2:30:10
  find oneself in when you know, there's, there's things
• 2:30:14
  happening and you know, it's, it's for the well-being of, of,
• 2:30:20
  of your people, right? You, you, you look out for them.
• 2:30:23
  And then sometimes the steps to take for their well-being is to
• 2:30:27
  be harsh. I guess there's, there's this,
• 2:30:34
  there's this degree of tough love that that comes at, at some
• 2:30:39
  point in time, like you're, you're not getting it and you've
• 2:30:43
  got to go through that ordeal in order to get it.
• 2:30:47
  And I'm not going to cuddle you through this.
• 2:30:50
  I'll be there when you come out of it, maybe to pick you up or
• 2:30:53
  to kind of guide you back. But at the same time, like
• 2:30:55
  there's a lesson here that only you are intended to learn here.
• 2:31:00
  And I can't learn it for you, you know.
• 2:31:06
  And, you know, being a Govi or a give you, you know, it takes its
• 2:31:10
  toll not just on, you know, your tribe or your kindred, but like,
• 2:31:15
  you know, in a way, you know, you're still like a husband or a
• 2:31:19
  wife, you have children or, you know, you have some form of
• 2:31:24
  legacy and it just takes its toll either way it goes on
• 2:31:28
  stuff. And you have to find a a balance
• 2:31:30
  with it all to be fair, you know, to do your role of your
• 2:31:34
  obligation and things like that. And you know, it's hard to find
• 2:31:39
  a balance with it all, especially dealing with large
• 2:31:42
  communities or even smaller communities and you know,
• 2:31:45
  helping in different ways as well as keep your home life and
• 2:31:50
  your work life and everything all separated without bleeding
• 2:31:54
  into one another. Because you know, there's some
• 2:31:56
  people that just let one thing get away from the other and put
• 2:31:59
  it to the wayside. And it's really not, it's not a
• 2:32:02
  positive thing. And it's hard to keep a balance
• 2:32:04
  with it at all. As well as teaching and being a
• 2:32:09
  content creator teacher, which you know, I know both of y'all
• 2:32:13
  guys, y'all love teaching about stuff.
• 2:32:15
  Like for me, it's like I'm a good storyteller.
• 2:32:19
  Teaching is not really my favorite thing, you know?
• 2:32:22
  Storytelling is my favorite way to teach.
• 2:32:25
  I know, but you're just, you're, you're a very good teacher.
• 2:32:29
  Both of y'all are in my book. And for me, like, I'm, I'm
• 2:32:32
  pretty good at it, you know, but at the same time, like, I think
• 2:32:36
  my stuff's boring and I'm not trying to be negative about it,
• 2:32:38
  but it's just, you know, to me with the Norse faith, so many
• 2:32:42
  people have talked about it repetitively.
• 2:32:45
  And I'm like, well, why should I do it?
• 2:32:46
  And I could just share what Eric's done or what Jesse's
• 2:32:50
  done, you know? And, you know, I don't have to
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  teach, you know, But I've come to find out, actually, people
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  like the way I teach. So I was like, OK, I mean, we're
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  not going to be here forever. Yeah, I know we're not going to
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  be here. We're all around the same age,
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  so you know. Like, let's all do our part.
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  Let's all, let's all kind of, let's all exhibit our own main,
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  you know, let's all feed our own Giffrain lately.
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  Let's all do our own part to leave a story to be told.
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  Let, let our songs be sung amongst our own hearts, right?
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  Let let the songs of area be sung amongst the Frigati.
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  Let the songs of Amelia be sung amongst River Pine and, and, and
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  let my songs be sung amongst whoever, wherever you know they
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  land. Like let's, let's do our part.
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  Let's hail the doers. Hail the doers.
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  You know. Maybe one day we'll have
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  runestones of us, of our deeds that we done that.
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  'D be mighty that would that would that would be a mighty
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  declaration of of a legacy right to be left like to have a
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  runestone runestone carved to one's memory like.
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  That would be I think that's pretty.
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  I will be happy if in two generations Ridgar is still here
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  and somebody remembers my name. I know because they've talked
• 2:34:14
  about that and that's like a three generation thing to keep
• 2:34:17
  all that going like they. Regeneration rule.
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  It takes one generation to introduce, the second to
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  perpetuate, the third to instill.
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  Well, I'm, I'm, I'm confident that at at least with the
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  audience that I have here today, you know, celebrating 7 years,
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  you know, that's, you know, I, I think about how old was I when I
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  was seven years old, you know, and how long ago was seven years
• 2:34:45
  and then seven years prior and prior.
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  Where were we all seven years ago and then seven years before
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  that and then when we were seven and everything?
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  And then what do we remember about that time of our lives?
• 2:34:57
  We can all hopefully remember that portion of our, of our
• 2:35:00
  existence, you know, and then seven years from now and what
• 2:35:04
  we're going to be doing, It's, it's, it's, it's, it's
• 2:35:08
  incredibly strong webs that we weave, I hope.
• 2:35:17
  What's the theory anyway? That's the theory, anyway.
• 2:35:20
  That's the hope, right? That's the idea.
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  That's. What we're shooting for.
• 2:35:24
  People talking on here and they're talking about addiction
• 2:35:28
  and sobriety and. Whole different ball game.
• 2:35:32
  Oh, I know, but I'm sitting there listening to what they're
• 2:35:34
  talking about. I'm slowly actually working on a
• 2:35:38
  book for addiction and recovery book that has a workbook tied
• 2:35:43
  into it that I'm slowly revising right now and trying to get the
• 2:35:48
  fine tunings on it so I could publish the book.
• 2:35:52
  So for set the red and crushing, crushing.
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  Nihilism. Yeah, yeah.
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  Struggling with addiction. Yeah.
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  So this is this is a topic that could, that could, that could be
• 2:36:08
  dedicated to a whole entire thing.
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  And in respect of my guest's time, I would like to wrap this
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  up and, and give people a chance to, to get back to their home
• 2:36:19
  life because, you know, you all were kind enough to take time
• 2:36:23
  out of your evening and I didn't even give a time.
• 2:36:25
  But you've been here for over 2 1/2 hours.
• 2:36:28
  That is tremendous. It is more than I could have
• 2:36:31
  ever asked for. I owe each of you much more.
• 2:36:38
  So 2 1/2 * 3, you know, whatever I can do to, to make up the
• 2:36:45
  time, I, I appreciate it, but I do want to give you back your
• 2:36:48
  time because it is late and I appreciate it all.
• 2:36:54
  So I'm going to end the live stream for the three of you that
• 2:36:56
  are here on screen. Just give me two or three
• 2:36:59
  minutes afterwards to kind of decompress and, and, and all
• 2:37:03
  that and say my farewells. But for everybody that's
• 2:37:05
  watching the live stream, we hope that this was a enjoyable
• 2:37:10
  and educational stream. I, I definitely appreciate all
• 2:37:12
  of my guests and, and, and speakers tonight, my friends
• 2:37:16
  across various time zones and, and areas of the state in, in
• 2:37:20
  this country. Your time is greatly appreciated
• 2:37:24
  and thank you so much for everything that you've
• 2:37:26
  contributed. Everyone that's watching, please
• 2:37:28
  be sure to check out the description area down below when
• 2:37:32
  this airs on the audio platforms, the show notes of the
• 2:37:35
  podcast, check everything out. Check out Amelia's stuff with
• 2:37:38
  River Pine, check out Eric's stuff with the Ravens call and
• 2:37:42
  Word Reaver productions, check out Matt era with all of his
• 2:37:46
  music, check out Blake with his Scalded Works project, and check
• 2:37:51
  out Patrick's group, the Highland group.
• 2:37:53
  All of that stuff is linked down below.
• 2:37:55
  Look up that book and your book. Yes, the The Saga of Bjorn
• 2:37:59
  Thorlson. It's not linked down in the
• 2:38:01
  description but I will be adding it later on.
• 2:38:03
  So if you go on to Amazon and search for The Saga of Yorn
• 2:38:08
  VJORN Thorlson TH. OROLFSSON Honestly, you can pick
• 2:38:19
  that right there. Eric Sherman Plug it into
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  Amazon. You got me.
• 2:38:25
  Yeah, a lot easier. It's a really.
• 2:38:27
  Good book, I've read it. It's a very.
• 2:38:29
  Good. I have a copy of it and it is
• 2:38:30
  it's wonderful. It's it's good Fireside campfire
• 2:38:33
  reading it, it, it it does. It encapsulates great heat and
• 2:38:37
  family storytelling values. It is a short read.
• 2:38:41
  It's a good read. It's wholesome and it's going to
• 2:38:45
  support a good man. So definitely check it out, and
• 2:38:52
  I want to thank you all. Thank you all to all my patrons
• 2:38:54
  on Patreon. Thank you to my viewers on
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  Facebook and YouTube and wherever it is that you're
• 2:38:59
  catching this and listening to this later on the audio
• 2:39:01
  platforms. Thank you so much.
• 2:39:03
  This has been a wonderful celebration of seven years of
• 2:39:05
  Midgard musings, and I look forward to the days, the weeks,
• 2:39:10
  the months, and the years that come forth from this.
• 2:39:13
  I didn't think that we'd be here 7 years doing anything to this
• 2:39:18
  capacity. I've thought of quitting a lot,
• 2:39:22
  but I mean, I've thought of just throwing in the talent, saying
• 2:39:25
  the hell with it. But we're here now and I
• 2:39:27
  appreciate it all. So thank you to all that have
• 2:39:30
  tuned in this week to watch and listen.
• 2:39:33
  If you're not going to be at the Viking Experience in Oxford, NC
• 2:39:37
  this weekend, I hate it for you, but I will be there.
• 2:39:40
  So March 22nd and 23rd, come out there and say hi to me.
• 2:39:43
  I'd love to meet you. And to everybody else, thank you
• 2:39:47
  so much. Amelia, Eric, Blake, thank you
• 2:39:50
  so much. Stick around for just a few
• 2:39:51
  minutes. I'll debrief with you here
• 2:39:53
  shortly. And all of you folks out here
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  across all the platforms, may the gods continue to notice you
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  and may your ancestors smile upon you.
• 2:40:03
  And we'll see you in the next one.