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Coaches in Shape (w/ Golic) · Stugotz and Company

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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that Uh, Chuck Norris was chasing the Tyrannosaurus Rex.
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  Speaker 2: The rex was not chasing the jeep.
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  Speaker 3: Murray, Murray, you there.
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  Speaker 2: You love sandwiches. Huh, Let's go to uh eighty.
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  Speaker 4: It was.
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  Speaker 2: Wow that Prime time. Maybe I had a crush on
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  Speaker 2: Betty Rubbell.
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  Speaker 1: I honestly, until after the segment ended and we went
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  Speaker 1: to a commercial break, had no idea that Jonathan Coachman
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  Speaker 1: was black.
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  Speaker 2: He caught them the game last night, although they won
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  Speaker 2: the game. You're listening to Stegattson Company.
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  Speaker 1: Mike Golick is with us here on Stegottson Company, presented
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  Speaker 1: by FanDuel and the FanDuel Sportsbook. It's the final day
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  Speaker 1: of March. But Mike, boy, have we had a March.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's been full, that's for sure. It has been full.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it has. How's your bracket doing, by the.
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  Speaker 3: Way, bracket's doing ugly. One side of one side of
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  Speaker 3: my bracket's doing okay. The other side of my bracket
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  Speaker 3: is really bad. I do have Michigan and Arizona. Iways
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  Speaker 3: had that right, but I got obliterated on the other
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  Speaker 3: side of my bracket.
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  Speaker 1: I would say you went about twelve million other people
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  Speaker 1: have Michigan and Arizona probably more I'll take you over there.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, And it seems like while Arizona and Yukon was
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  Speaker 3: a good game in the regular season. So but I
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  Speaker 3: think the Arizona Michigan winner is going to win it all.
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  Speaker 3: I really do. I think both those teams are just
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  Speaker 3: too good.
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  Speaker 2: Was Duke was Duke won a year final four selections there?
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  Speaker 3: No, No, I had actually Michigan State. I had Michigan
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  Speaker 3: State Houston.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 3: The program. Yeah, yeah, how about it. Yeah, I had
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  Speaker 3: Michigan State, Houston, Arizona and Michigan. So yeah, I got
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  Speaker 3: obliterated on the left side of my bracket sheet put
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  Speaker 3: us there.
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  Speaker 2: At the end of that classic game, classic March.
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  Speaker 1: Game, Yukon and Duke Duke makes just a calamity of mistakes,
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  Speaker 1: will get to Caden Boozer in just a second, but
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  Speaker 1: they're up nineteen. Yukon comes storming back, and now Danny
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  Speaker 1: Hurley has a chance to win a third national championship,
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  Speaker 1: as many as Jim Calhoun and two behind Coach k
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  Speaker 1: Pretty incredible, Mike.
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  Speaker 3: It really is. And I mean, really, you know, the
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  Speaker 3: end of the game obviously was the most exciting part,
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  Speaker 3: but the fact that Yukon came back from nineteen down
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  Speaker 3: in the first half, down fifteen at halftime. You know,
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  Speaker 3: the record of number one seeds up fifteen or more
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  Speaker 3: at halftime in the NCAA tournament going into that game
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  Speaker 3: there were one hundred and thirty four and oh what yes,
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  Speaker 3: number one Seeds winning by fifteen or more points at
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  Speaker 3: half at halftime was one hundred and thirty four and
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  Speaker 3: oh now it's one hundred and thirty four and one.
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  Speaker 3: So you got to give, obviously Yukon the credit for
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  Speaker 3: coming back to even putting themselves in the position that
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  Speaker 3: they were in. And then you know, Kaden Boozer, you
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  Speaker 3: hold onto the ball, You'll wait to get you try
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  Speaker 3: and throw it to a wide open player. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: what do you do in that situation?
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  Speaker 5: We asked this on the show yesterday Classic Sports Talk Radio.
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  Speaker 5: Did Duke lose it or did Yukon win it?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think the classic answer to a question like
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  Speaker 3: that is a little bit of both, right, I mean.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it's right here, Well, that's exactly right. Well,
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  Speaker 2: Taylor saying the sports radio rules is you have to
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  Speaker 2: choose one. I mean, that's it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I would say, then Yukon won it because Yukon
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  Speaker 3: was Yukan was one of eighteen from three point land
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  Speaker 3: and finished four of five. You know, the defense tightened up.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously the shooting fell off of Duke, but Yukon still
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  Speaker 3: had to score to make up that different. So I'll
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  Speaker 3: always give credit to the team that came back.
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  Speaker 2: I love Taylor.
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  Speaker 1: This is a Hall of Fame fucking broadcaster, Mike Golik,
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  Speaker 1: and he doesn't give the answer the way Taylor wants
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  Speaker 1: him to answer the question, and Taylor's getting all over him.
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  Speaker 2: I love it.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, that's okay. That's the youth, the youth youth of
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  Speaker 3: of America. Now, they just they just don't care about
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  Speaker 3: the past. They just push forward.
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  Speaker 4: No, my only critique was, you gave goal like two
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  Speaker 4: options and then he just said a little bit of both.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, listen, there's there's a reason he's the most beloved
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  Speaker 1: sports talk ghost in the history of the fucking industry.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, listen, technically it is both right, because one
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  Speaker 3: side has to play worse than the other side has
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  Speaker 3: to play better. I mean, technically I was correct, Tailor.
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  Speaker 3: I hate to, you know, admonish you here publicly, but
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  Speaker 3: you know, I I will give you the answer, and
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  Speaker 3: I'll say more Yukon because of the comeback.
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  Speaker 1: You see, he stays in the good graces of both
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  Speaker 1: Duke and Yukon by answering it the way he answered it.
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  Speaker 2: Tailor.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm still just celebrating that Duke loss.
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  Speaker 3: He really is.
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  Speaker 1: It's like he won a national championship sid because he
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  Speaker 1: went to North Carolina.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you know, there are we talk about universally
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  Speaker 3: loved and universally hated teams. Talking Notre Dame, you're talking
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  Speaker 3: the Yankees, You're talking the Cowboys, and you're talking Duke.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe the Yankees. If there is a
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  Speaker 3: team that is more cheered on more to lose than Duke,
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  Speaker 3: I would say maybe the Yankees would be I think though,
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  Speaker 3: I would put those two above Notre Dame and the Cowboys.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the Cowboys are right there. We actually did
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  Speaker 2: this yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: It was a Mount Rushmore Monday, and we drafted the
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  Speaker 1: teams we love watching lose. And I won, of course,
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  Speaker 1: but I took the Cowboys first. I had the first
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  Speaker 1: overall pick, and I took the Cowboys and I ended
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  Speaker 1: up winning.
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  Speaker 3: It's the thing about them is they haven't won in
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  Speaker 3: so long you almost forgot. The last time they won
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  Speaker 3: was ninety six. I mean, it's been a long time
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  Speaker 3: for them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, any other teams in their teams. Because it's funny, Mike,
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  Speaker 1: the entire country would have been rooting against Yukon if
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  Speaker 1: they had it playing Duke.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, everybody's going to be rooting for Illinois, and
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  Speaker 3: Illinois is a favorite in this game. Yeah, definitely, people
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  Speaker 3: are rooting for Illinois.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, so help me out, because you know,
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  Speaker 1: people tend to roof for the things they want to see.
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  Speaker 1: They might want to see Yukon take on one of
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  Speaker 1: these two teams in the finals.
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  Speaker 2: I want nothing to do with Illinois. Then they'll root
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  Speaker 2: against you. Cop.
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  Speaker 3: That's true because Yukon did play Arizona in the regular season.
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  Speaker 3: That was a one point game for a while. That
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  Speaker 3: ended up being a four point I think seventy one
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  Speaker 3: sixty seven win for Arizona. Michigan obviously played Illinois both
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  Speaker 3: being in the Big Ten, and Michigan smoked him by
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  Speaker 3: like fourteen eighty four seventy. So I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: anybody wants to see that as a rematch.
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  Speaker 2: Where are you and Danny Hurley?
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  Speaker 1: Because I was. He's a great coach. I was fiery,
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  Speaker 1: I know, but like, hey, dial it back a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: you know, just a little bit. It's about the kids,
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  Speaker 1: it's not about you.
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  Speaker 3: You know. I think he would he realizes that. But
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  Speaker 3: when the heat of the hits and the adrenalines flowing,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think he can help himself. He is who
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  Speaker 3: he is, you know, I don't I don't see him
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  Speaker 3: change it. He is he is boy, he is out there.
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  Speaker 2: But that headbutt of the referee was a foul, no,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, come on, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I still don't know. And if we found out what
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  Speaker 3: was actually said, was the ref actually trying because it
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  Speaker 3: was so loud, trying to tell Danny, hey, there's still
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  Speaker 3: time on the clock. Because Danny turned around right away
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  Speaker 3: and went back to the sideline, I don't know. It
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  Speaker 3: looked odd, but it looked od except it didn't because
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  Speaker 3: it was Danny.
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  Speaker 1: Hurley, right, Yes, Mike, it's it's I always feel bad
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  Speaker 1: for athletes in the spot of Caden boozer, where I
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  Speaker 1: just want teams to.
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  Speaker 2: Win, and I wanted to be a great game.
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  Speaker 1: I obviously wanted to be a close game, a classic
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  Speaker 1: game and all that. I just don't want the games
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  Speaker 1: to come down to a single play a single person,
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  Speaker 1: and that person has to live with that for the
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  Speaker 1: remainder of time. Uh. Caden Boozer, who we talked about
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  Speaker 1: this yesterday, he made it. He made a colossal mistake.
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  Speaker 1: It was a terrible turnover. It ended up costing them
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  Speaker 1: the game. Shyer after the game said, there were a
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  Speaker 1: ton of things that happened before that that gonna help
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  Speaker 1: us win the game.
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  Speaker 2: How'd you feel for Caden Boozer?
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  Speaker 1: I'll play the press conference sound here after the game
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  Speaker 1: in just a second, because we didn't spend enough time
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  Speaker 1: admiring him for how composed he was in that situation
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  Speaker 1: after the game, when being asked questions by the media
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  Speaker 1: would suggests what a mature kid he is, the son
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  Speaker 1: of Carlos Boozer. But how'd you feel for Kaden Boozer
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  Speaker 1: as that went down?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, listen, you you always feel bad for
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  Speaker 3: a player when they're when they're in a situation where
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  Speaker 3: their mistake. You know, he had fifteen points, he was
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  Speaker 3: four or five shooting six or six from six or
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  Speaker 3: six from the free throw line. So I mean he
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  Speaker 3: had a he had a good game. It was just
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  Speaker 3: a tough turnover. It's like do you pump fake it?
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  Speaker 3: Do you hold it like I said, and just get
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  Speaker 3: fouled and go to the line.
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  Speaker 1: And it was a one in one situation. We kind
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  Speaker 1: of left that out yesterday. It was a one in
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  Speaker 1: one situation. So yeah, so.
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  Speaker 3: So so maybe it's not way to get fouled, right.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Shire said that they they wanted to put
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  Speaker 3: uh or or Danny Hurley had said they wanted to
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  Speaker 3: put pressure up earlier and foul earlier. Uh, but Duke
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  Speaker 3: got the ball up to where they did to Cayden,
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean it was it was a mistake.
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  Speaker 3: And I wonder I wonder do because we always say
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  Speaker 3: we feel bad for the college player, right, yes, do
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  Speaker 3: people feel as bad? Throw this out in the poll.
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  Speaker 3: Do people feel as bad for college players now that
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  Speaker 3: they're getting paid?
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  Speaker 1: They know they're getting paid, right, and now that now
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  Speaker 1: that you know what college athlete is getting paid, do
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  Speaker 1: you feel as bad.
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  Speaker 3: For them when they make a mistake.
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  Speaker 1: It's a great question, Mikeya, Do you feel as bad
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  Speaker 1: for a college player now that it's so overt?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Like we appeal back the curtain. This is not suitcases
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  Speaker 1: full of cash. They are paying the players. Do you
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  Speaker 1: feel as bad for Kaden Boozer now as you would
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  Speaker 1: have maybe five years ago?
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure that I would.
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  Speaker 5: And Mike brings that up, and now I'm starting to
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  Speaker 5: think about it, and I'm going, you know, I don't
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  Speaker 5: feel as bad for him, and I was maybe that's why.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Well that in duke. Yeah, well, I mean.
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  Speaker 5: That's the problem is I'm trying to view it through
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  Speaker 5: the non duke lens and I can't. It's too blue.
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  Speaker 2: Notice I haven't asked hellor that question. Yeah, don't ask
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  Speaker 2: me if I feel bad.
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  Speaker 3: Ha ha.
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  Speaker 2: I always feel bad for athletes in that spot.
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  Speaker 1: I was calling a Final four for women's lacrosse when
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  Speaker 1: I was at ESPN, Mike and there was it was
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  Speaker 1: a classic game. It was BC in North Carolina and
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  Speaker 1: someone on Carolina had an easy goal to end the
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  Speaker 1: game and she missed it, and I said, oh, man,
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  Speaker 1: I feel terrible for her. She's going to wake up
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  Speaker 1: every single day after the remainder of her life and
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  Speaker 1: have to think about that moment.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: And people got upset with me, and I was just
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  Speaker 2: being honest.
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  Speaker 1: I was just being truthful because that's the reality, and
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  Speaker 1: Kaden News are reporters of how he acted after the game.
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  Speaker 2: We'll play it again in just a second.
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  Speaker 1: He's gonna wake up every single day, it doesn't matter
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  Speaker 1: where he is, and he's going to be thinking about
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  Speaker 1: that moment.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, he absolutely is. But every pro athlete who
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  Speaker 3: makes a mistake, they're going to think about it. I
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  Speaker 3: don't care if they're you know, if Kaden Boozer is
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  Speaker 3: what eighteen nineteen years old, If there's a pro athlete
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  Speaker 3: out there that's thirty two, you know, then and they
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  Speaker 3: drop a pass, or they drop an interception, or they
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  Speaker 3: misa tackle something in a crucial moment, they're going to
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  Speaker 3: remember it. But we don't seem to feel as bad
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  Speaker 3: for the pro athlete than we do for the young
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  Speaker 3: college kid. That's why I ask, Now the college kid
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  Speaker 3: is flushed with money, do we still feel as bad?
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  Speaker 5: Oh?
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  Speaker 1: Man, I mean, they're getting paid a lot. How much
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  Speaker 1: you think Kaden users getting paid? Probably a lot?
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  Speaker 3: Right, see that? I don't know. That's the one thing
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  Speaker 3: ni l that the whole topic has has been kept
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  Speaker 3: pretty quiet as far as what players get paid.
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  Speaker 1: Quite honestly, right, it's still like he's a true freshman, right,
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  Speaker 1: so he's still an eighteen year old and he was
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  Speaker 1: getting paid. It's that Carson Beck who's twenty five still
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  Speaker 1: playing quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: I agree, I agree. I mean, you definitely feel for
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  Speaker 3: the person in that situation because you're right they're going
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  Speaker 3: to because again most I think another reason you feel
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  Speaker 3: bad for college players is two percent of them are
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  Speaker 3: going to go on to the pro in their sport.
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  Speaker 3: The rest are done after college. So that if you're
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  Speaker 3: in your last year of college and you make that mistake,
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  Speaker 3: that's your last memory of you playing that sport, because
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  Speaker 3: if you're not going to go pro, So that that
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  Speaker 3: also adds to it.
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  Speaker 1: I am reading here that Caiden Boozer was paid, Now
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  Speaker 1: I could be wrong. Seven hundred and forty seven thousand
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  Speaker 1: dollars that's evaluation.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, it's seven hundred and forty seven thousand dollars more
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  Speaker 3: than I got paid?
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  Speaker 2: Is it two point two million? Is that? Taylor? How
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  Speaker 2: does this work? Explain this to me?
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  Speaker 1: What is Caden Boozer getting paid by Duke University? Because
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  Speaker 1: it is absolutely gon to determine whether or not I
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  Speaker 1: feel bad.
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  Speaker 4: So the problem with nil is none of those numbers
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  Speaker 4: are public with what the schools are actually paying. What
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  Speaker 4: you're looking at is on three and on three just
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  Speaker 4: takes like a formula of like how many social media
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  Speaker 4: followers you have your reach, and then they put a
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  Speaker 4: what they think your valuation would be?
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  Speaker 2: Wow, oh oh yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And plus there's added there's now the revenue share that
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  Speaker 3: comes from the school money that they get, and then
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  Speaker 3: there's nil deal. So I mean it's tough to ever
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  Speaker 3: know the true value of what somebody is getting paid.
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  Speaker 1: I think the other reason people probably aren't going to
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  Speaker 1: feel as bad. You can sprinkle in Duke, you could
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  Speaker 1: factor in the money. But also he's Carlos Boozer's son.
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  Speaker 1: He's lived a white charmed life.
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  Speaker 5: You know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, It's amazing what reasons we choose to have for
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  Speaker 3: either feeling bad or not feeling bad.
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  Speaker 1: Mike, you missed out, man, Jesus Christ, you have a
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  Speaker 1: million followers, man.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, listen, I'm I'm happy the players are
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  Speaker 3: getting paid. Don't anybody look at me and say, oh god,
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  Speaker 3: he's jealous of those guys. He doesn't think that. I
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  Speaker 3: absolutely think they should get paid. I'm happy they're getting paid.
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  Speaker 3: But it does make every athlete like me and those
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  Speaker 3: that are like me that didn't get paid think about
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  Speaker 3: what could have been when we were in college.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, why wouldn't you.
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  Speaker 1: Let's play the sounds here from Kaid and Boozer after
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  Speaker 1: the game, here being asked about what happened on that
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  Speaker 1: final plot great er was going through your mind in
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  Speaker 1: that last.
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  Speaker 5: Turned the ball over? Should have been shown with the ball.
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  Speaker 2: Team season.
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  Speaker 4: What did coach Sire said before enough time out, before
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  Speaker 4: you guys were inbounding the ball there, we knew that
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  Speaker 4: they're going.
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  Speaker 3: To be sure.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's uh, that's pretty remarkable, Mike. And now
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  Speaker 1: I feel that, yes, oh.
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  Speaker 3: I mean just you. But you're you're right. I don't
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  Speaker 3: care how you were brought up, who your dad was.
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  Speaker 3: I mean that's something that you as an individual have
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  Speaker 3: to live with, as you said, have to wake up
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  Speaker 3: every day. I mean, I d probably can't wait till
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  Speaker 3: the season starts next year, so you can kind of
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  Speaker 3: wash that because this is the last that was the
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  Speaker 3: last play of the season. He's got to go through
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  Speaker 3: the entire offseason thinking that that knocked them out of
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  Speaker 3: the tournament. And and obviously it's like football. You know, you
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  Speaker 3: sit there and you look at one plane, You're like,
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  Speaker 3: oh my god, that cost you. There are plenty of
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  Speaker 3: plays that you can look at that say cost you,
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  Speaker 3: but one that's like that, or the end of a
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  Speaker 3: football game, like I said, a drop pass or a
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  Speaker 3: cought ball or whatever, it all magnifies on that one
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  Speaker 3: play when it really isn't one play.
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  Speaker 1: It's a great point by you because as a former athlete,
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  Speaker 1: what you want to do to get that bad taste
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: out of your mouth is play the next day.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: And he's got to wait an entire offseason here, you know,
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: Oh you do.
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: I mean all all the training, all the offseason training,
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: all the preseason practices, You're gonna be thinking about that play.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: I mean until you start a new season.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Taylor's wheelhouse is well, it's North Carolina or it's
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: it's anti Duke. Have you seen what's happened here with
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: John Shire Taylor? Because people are starting to question Josh.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: You never want to be the guy who replaces the guy.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: And this is the reason why Shire has done a
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: fine job, but he has lost three big games. Now
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: when people are starting to question whether John Shire should
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: be the head coach Duke.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: And what people are really questioning is if Shire can't
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: win with these rosters, what rosters can you win with?
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: Maybe he needs to scrappy roster.
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: Maybe he needs a bunch of you know, two stars
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: to come up and play together.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Yes, like the miracle on ice or something.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: Yes, I mean it's it's it's again like in football,
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: when you have a successful coach but you haven't gotten
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: over the top. Who are you gonna get? Who are
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: you gonna get that that's better? We're talking about the
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: North Carolina job opening up and the Arizona coach maybe
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: going there. Well, Arizona is a better program than North
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: Carolina right now, So why would that coach leave now?
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: Is it more prestigious to win a national title if
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: you're a North Carolina head coach in Arizona head coach?
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: I don't know. You're raising the trophy either way, you know.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: And and so it's kind of a weird, weird situation
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: with that.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: It's all blurred because we don't know what jobs are
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: important to certain people. The jobs aren't the same as
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: they used to be. So like Kirk would not leave
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: Indiana for Alabama, he just wouldn't right now.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, he absolutely would not. And and again
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: he's got he's got a national championship. So it's like,
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: where is your program?
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Right? Uh?
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Taylor wants Duke to get rid of Shire and wants
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Carolina to hire Shire.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: How about that, higher sire?
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: Yes, So he betrayed my confidence there when I whispered
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: in his ear, I said, is there a number for
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: Shire to go to Carolina? Like if you said Shire, well,
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: quadruple your your salary.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Ubert Davis would coach at Duke for free. I mean.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean listen, and while while I understand the
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: question Taylor, it's it's no one school is gonna especially
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: blue bloods like that, is going to offer that much
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: more than the other school. I mean, hey, they're just
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: not going to do it. And be Duke would come
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: up with money as well, not a I'm quadrupling the money.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: That's not going to happen. There's just not going to
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: be that much disparity.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: It is funny that people don't realize Arizona.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: There's a gap here might between the last time Arizona
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: was this good and now and there's a whole generation
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: that they don't understand that Arizona at one point was
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: one of the premier jobs in America.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: Holy smokes, Lude Olsen, I mean, wow, yes, so true.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: National Championship with Mike Bibby Yan. Yeah exactly.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at this NFL coaches picture from the owners
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: meeting and it dawned on me that unless they're wearing
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: a hat, a headset, or advisor, I don't recognize any
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: of these guys.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, listen, there has definitely been a shift.
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: The one thing I do recognize is head coaches now
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: are in some of the best shape we've seen a
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: collective group of head coaches. Now you have to kind
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: of take out Andy Reid, Mike McCarthy, maybe Todd Bowles
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: as well, but you look at the rest of the
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: coaches and they're they're there, look like they're in pretty
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: good shape. You know. Well, we always sit there and
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: talk about a royal rumble and that Dan Campbell would
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: win all the time.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, you know, yeah.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: Demiko Ryan, I mean you got yeah, you got to.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: You got a few in.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: There, Yes, but I don't recognize any of them unless yeah.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: It is true, it is true. Didn't they just have
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: their day drinking day I heard Jacob.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: I mean the whole thing is a reason for a vacation.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: It is, it is, Yeah, it's it's all a darty.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: It's a day party because they all can't stay up
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: that late. They're all up late at the combo and
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: now they don't have to be up late.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: You're familiar with that.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, yeah, when's the last time you day drank?
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: I only prefer to day drink. Is. I don't stay
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: out at night. I mean, my god, I'm in bed early,
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: so I really only day drink now. And uh yeah,
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: and I don't day drink much. Boy, times have changed. Wow.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, who's the coach that's like sneaky that you know
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: you put him in a royal rumble. Everyone's gonna say
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Dan Campbell. Everyone's gonna say Mike Rabel. Everyone's gonna say
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Demiko Ryans. Who's a sneaky, strong coach shoes who might
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: make it out of that thing and be the winner.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of who that guy might be.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, Salah.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: Sala Salah. That's that's a good one right.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: There, Siriani.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: I mean he looks I gotta be honest, he looks
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: a little thicker some cheese steaks, bad Gino's.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, what do you think?
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, I don't know. I still think
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: you'd get tossed out of the ring. Sala, Sala was
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: a good one.
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: Mike McDonald looks like he can hold his own.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: I was I was thinking Mike McDonald. I was gonna
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: say him. I don't know his dimensions, but he does
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: look like he can hold his own. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: But he's not there.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: I still think it's it's between Campbell, Ryan's and and
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Vrabel unless someone knows some real wrestling moves and can
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: get him out of the ring. Other than that, there
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: are some coaches that look okay, but they're just kind
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: of kind of older, like you know, Jim and John Harbaugh.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: You know, hardball is always Jim's always limping around.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah he is. I'm trying to think of the
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: coaches first out. I mean, it's got to be Lafleur
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: nos all. Yeah, just toss him out of the ring.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: How about how about the fight I don't think he's
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: very big, but the fightiness of Ben Jonson.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, I could see Ben Johnson. He's got
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: some crazy underneath he.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: Does. He definitely does get him on the pod.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he hasn't followed up Mike. Yea, he's got listen,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Ben Johnson. Mike was a walk on at North Carolina.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Taylor was a walk on at North Carolina. Somehow Taylor
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: got in contact with Ben Johnson. They had a nice exchange,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: and Taylor will not follow up to Ben Johnson offered
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: to come on the show, just not now, which is
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: a classic move to get out of, you know, being
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: a guest on a show.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Sure, but you got to follow up with Ben Johnson.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: The time is now. I mean he's gonna be too
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: busy soon.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah.
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: My problem is my problem is introducing my friends to
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: my other friends.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah me, Well, listen, that's always that's a fear.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Everyone in this business.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: You brought that on yourself, Stude though. The Taylor, the
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: position you're in, Uh, you have to follow up on those, right, Yeah.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: You have to because I'm going to fire you, is
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: what he says.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: It's kind of your job.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: So you're not friends with Ben Johnson, You're friendlier with me.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: So what you're scared of doing is introducing Ben Johnson,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: who's not a friend to your friend and your boss.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: You're saying Ben Johnson's not my friend. You don't have
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: any proof that Ben Johnson isn't my friend.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: I do have proof. He's never been on the show.
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: Peter's mc collins.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: Like, listen, I fear every time Andy Reid comes on
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: with all of us, and he still comes on. Mike,
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: so you is a friend of mine?
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Lady Taylor's you know, worries to rest because Andy
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: Reid still comes.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: On with us, right, and you still have a relationship
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: with Andy Reid? Correct?
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: I think, Taylor. I think everybody understands what you're getting
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: with Stu, so I think they're they're willing to put
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: up with it.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Mike.
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: I think Aaron with Aaron Boone, I'm more worried about mikeye,
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: if we're being honestly, Wait.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: You have an intimate to Aaron Boone? You do have?
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: You had a conversation with Aaron Boone?
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: Yep, I would consider friendly with Aaron Boone.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: You're friendly with Aaron Boone and.
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: You haven't got and you haven't tried to get him
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: on the show because Mike, he's going to fire him
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: when he comes on.
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: First off, I don't want to fire Aaron Boone.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: I want to fire his boss.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, Mike. The amazing part of this is
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: the guy who wants to fire Aaron Boone is Taylor.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: No, no, no, He's a pawn in this game.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: Amazed. I am amazed that you are somewhat friendly with
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: Ben Johnson and Aaron Boone and you've gotten neither one
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: on the show.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Friend Collins, Now, Mac Collins is a real friend. I mean,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: we just had to travel out to the super Bowl
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: to see him.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah barefoot.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Because go in the radio row wasn't enough. Taylor had
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: to drive another hour to get the media.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, go ah, sitting next.
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: To my sweaty ass.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: He just he's in a weird place right now. He
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: just he's counting the days he needs Arizona to lose.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Lose, blickly. So Tommy Lloyd could be the next coach
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: at North Carolina. That's all he cares about.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: Man, that would be amazing.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, would it be? I mean, I don't know, it's
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: still Carolina, right, I guess.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I I know. But you just wonder how much
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: weight that carries when you have a team, a Final
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: four team, right now, that you're coaching weird.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: I mean Lane Kiffin left before the playoffs.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true, that's true. We did.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: What a weird time we are really is?
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: You know what it's you think the grass is greener
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: and sometimes it's not. Ce Brian Kelly.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, unnecessary shot at Brian Kelly there.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, he's just necessary. He's just he's just
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: the latest coach that I understand the reasons he left,
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: but it blew up in his face.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Are there any rule changes that you think should be
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: installed into the NFL for next season?
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: Oh? What were so? We did discuss what were some
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: of those? I do think that they should implement the
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: fourth and fifteen or twenty rule for an on side
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: kick because the on side kick recovering the on side
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: kick is about as as rare as missing an old
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: extra point when it was put at the three yard line.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: They moved the extra point back. Now you get misses
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: of the extra point. It's not a gimmey, where an
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: on side kick is almost a gimme. So I do
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: think you should make it a play, make it like
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: a fourth and fifteen or fourth and twenty. Make it
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: difficult to do, but make it more that would definitely
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: get made more than recovering an on side kick. I'm amazed.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: And while this will come across as a shot on
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: kickers that there aren't better on side kicks, I mean well,
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, the kickers have time during practice, obviously
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: they practice their kicks, but I mean try different stuff,
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: experiment on the on side kick. And maybe I'm talking
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: about on my ass, and maybe there isn't any other
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: right way to really do it, but boy, I try
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: and come up with something.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: I'm with you, it seems like no one's explored it.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, yeah, all the kickers will be
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: mad at me.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: How do you feel about it? Yes, David A.
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: What and.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: What do you make of?
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Are we headed towards backup officiating officials here in the NFL?
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Boy that I had heard a stat that they're the
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: lowest paid of the of the four majors, which which
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: really is somewhat amazing. And you know, the the NFL
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: brass has told people to start looking for replacements, and
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: I don't know if they mean that or if they're
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: using that as a negotiation tool, like, hey, we're going
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: to do this, you know, unless you guys agree to
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: something and listen. Overall, I don't remember how the officiating was.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: Everything is hung up on that fail Mary, you know,
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: play everybody looks at that and it's like, oh my god,
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: these guys stink. But I quite honestly, I don't. This
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: is what twenty twelve. I don't recall how overall the
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: officiating was right where where? Now like in baseball, you're
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: seeing you're seeing home played umpires getting getting abs to death.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, I love it, it's great.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: I don't think people realize how hard it is to
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: officiate that game though.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: It's crazy.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, and Warrio Suarez for Cincinnati had two challenges
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: in a row, and he was so quick with him.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: The first one was a third of an inch to
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: where he was correct a third of an inch. The
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: second one was one point one inch. I mean, that's amazing.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: And I think without a doubt, catchers and pictures or
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: pitchers are allowed to call it, and they've called it
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: by far the least, and they should. It should be
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: the catcher or the hitter. They're right there, they have
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: the better eyes. But there's also the system is great.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: It's like tennis. You should put it on the big
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: board and people cheer for it. You see it right away.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: And how much do people love to cheer for authority
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: being wrong? I mean they love cheering when when the
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: when the home plate umpire got the call wrong.
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: That first pitch missed by a third of an inch
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: and C. B. Buckner the umpire gets it called wrong,
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: and you know, on the next pitch, he's like, you
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: know what you want to you want to call me out? Fine,
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: and he forgot that he could do it again, and
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: he goes like gives him a whole inch outside and
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: then he's like, no, I could do it again.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're up like a third of an inch.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: You're like, well, that's exactly right. Because you know how
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: ms are different umps. When there was no ABS, they
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: had their own strike zone. Some called them lower, some
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: called them higher, some had bigger, some had smaller. They
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: and batters knew it and catchers knew it, just just
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: like NFL. You know which officials call holding more past
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: interference more, you know the cruise. But now A B.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: S has kind of taken that away.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: I kind of like the mystery.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, I do of when you know what the
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: strike zone is going to be on a particular night.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: I like I like them, I like the iuman element
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: of it. I don't like this, what are we going
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: to talk about?
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: I love when they show it on the screen and
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: show it on the big screen, just like in tennis.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: It's it's the best review system we have in sports now,
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: in baseball and in tennis.
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: Yes, And it's got a great countdown to where it's
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: like three two one, it reveal it's like wow, yeah,
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: and it's quick.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: It's quick, you know. In football there could be is
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: the ball possessed? Is the foot in bounds? Is a
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: hand underneath the ball? And in baseball and in tennis,
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: it's easy. There's a square box in baseball, did the
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: ball break it? In tennis? Is the ball on the
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: line or not the line? They can zoom in, they
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: show it, it's and boom, it's over and you move on.
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: And the underrated part of it is them showing you
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: not only that you missed it, but by how much?
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: How much? Yeah, that you were this wrong? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: very true.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: I gotta be honest, I'm starting to hate sports.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: Ah. So it's like, as someone who played it, I
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: was always one that I wanted the rest to swallow
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: the whistle in the towards the end of the game. Right.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: But the more you think about it, the more it's like,
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: don't you want consistency? What they what they call early?
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: Do you want them to call late? You don't want
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: them to be, you know, a touchy tiki tack file.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: I would like. I would like tough calls early as
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: well as late. I don't want tiki tack calls. I
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: hate those.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: You don't want tiki tak towards the end is what
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: you're saying.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: I don't want tiki tack at all during the game,
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: quite honestly, unless unless I'm being held and they're not
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: calling it, which was very rare.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: What you being held?
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there was no reason to hold me.