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250th Honor Badge: Participation Trophy or Real Deal? | Josh & Awe · Jeep Talk Show

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Aighty ho, Jeepers, we're back.
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It's getting to be a weekly thing here
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and it's getting to be a
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weekly thing here with Josh.
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Today, Josh and I are
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gonna talk about honor badges.
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And the reason for that is
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you can probably guess is
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the 250th year USA July 4th.
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God bless America honor badge,
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that you don't have to go any
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(beep)
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place to get.
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You don't have to check in for betrayal.
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I wonder, I bet you-
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Badges? Yeah.
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We don't need no stinking badges.
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I bet you you don't
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even have to be in America
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to sign up for this honor badge.
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Right, well, I'd be curious, honestly,
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we gotta send a letter out to Jeep,
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a sternly worded letter
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about just how many of these
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have you shipped
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outside of the US border?
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Yeah, it's Australia or China.
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China.
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Well, they're probably drop shipping them
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from Taiwan anyway, so.
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Oh, very true.
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And then we're gonna
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talk about fender flares
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because everybody wants
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them that makes your rig
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look really off roady,
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even if you don't go off road,
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but there's some
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things about fender flares
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that you may not have thought of.
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All right, Josh, let's talk about it.
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We've already started
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talking a little bit
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about the honor badges.
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I think that the honor badges are
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absolutely wonderful.
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I'm not a big fan of
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plastering them all over my Jeep.
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(laughs) You know?
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Yes and no.
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I mean, okay, some of
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the more iconic trails,
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the Rubicon, Moab and some
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of the trails out in Moab
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and stuff, look, yes, maybe
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to a certain extent, okay.
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But there's trails up here in Oregon
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that they gave honor badges to,
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and I'm like, what the actual
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(beep)
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Really, for that?
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Yeah.
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And it's just like,
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okay, I know they're trying
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to be inclusive and all that.
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Well, we can't leave out Oregon.
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They got a lot of Jeeps in Oregon.
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So, you know, I get
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it to a certain extent,
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but like we've always said, you know,
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Jeep is not one to
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leave a special edition
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or something undone.
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You know, they just
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love any chance they can
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for merchandising and extras
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and little things like that.
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And of course they're
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gonna do a 250th batch.
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I mean, the whole 12 for 12 thing
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that was lining right up to it, all that,
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I wish they would
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have done something else.
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This is nice.
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It's a token, but that's, I
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think, all it is, is a token.
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Like I said a couple of few weeks ago,
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I think Jeep dropped the
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ball on the 250th anniversary.
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It was a little bit like a day late,
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a dollar short type of thing.
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Somebody forgot, didn't
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get the memo and it's, oh,
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(beep)
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we've got this giant, huge, you know,
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memorial thing coming
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up, huge anniversary.
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We need to make a big deal about it.
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Scramble, scramble, scramble.
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What can we come up with really quick?
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Oh, here, let's just
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(beep)
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out a badge really quick.
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That'll keep them happy.
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So I don't know.
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To me, it's just, it's not enough.
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It's an appeasement at best.
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And I think that they
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could have done a lot better.
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But that's just me.
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That's my two cents.
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Stellantis is a European
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based company, isn't it?
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I mean, the Fiat 500 and
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it turned into the renegade.
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Jeep has executive level personnel
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that are in charge of North America.
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You know, whether or not those people
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are actually American
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or not, I don't know.
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I know that Jeep has
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kind of shuffled the deck
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a little bit when it
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comes to their executives.
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And especially their CEOs and CFOs
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and what over the years,
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head of the North American brand,
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I think has changed
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seats a couple of times
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over the last five or 10 years.
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So, who is in charge?
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That's a
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(beep)
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question actually.
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So maybe that's part of the problem
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is we don't know who's in charge.
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Maybe the left hand ain't
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talking to the right hand.
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And it was just, it was a
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scramble at the last minute
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to try and come up with something
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that will appease Americans
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as far as the 250th
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anniversary of our country goes.
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Jeep, you just, you
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fell short, I'm sorry.
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So I know that your Jeep has been down
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for a few years now because
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of your financial situation
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and having to leave the show
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so you could get a second job.
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That certainly didn't mean
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that there was gonna
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be much money left over
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for building up your ex-J
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or taking it off road even.
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But did you, when you were
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going off road there in Oregon,
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were you signing up for honor badges?
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Did you ever get any honor badges?
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No, I mean, because I've
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been wheeling these trails
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for years, if not decades.
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And so it was like, why am
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I gonna submit something?
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I've
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(beep)
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got videos on my YouTube channel
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of these trails, of me on these trails.
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So it's not like I need proof
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or any kind of
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validation or anything like that.
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And besides, I've never been one
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for a whole lot of stickers or badges
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or putting things on the outside of Jeeps
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that don't necessarily
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belong or have a function.
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Oh, I forgot about that.
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Yeah, you're not a sticker person at all.
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No, honestly, the only stickers
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that are on the outside of my Jeep
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are the Jeep talk show stickers,
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the big Jeep talk show stickers.
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So yeah, I mean, if I
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were to do anything,
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it's gonna be like a
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wrap or something like that.
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So, no, I mean, it's just badges
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have never really been my thing.
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Stickers have never really been my thing.
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So it's not something
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that you're going to find
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on the outside of my Jeep.
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That being said, I do have
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a couple of the honor badges
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sitting on my desk in my studio
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next to a bunch of
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all my other Jeep stuff.
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So, I mean, I do have a couple.
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They're just never gonna find themselves
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on the outside of my Jeep.
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I like the honor badges.
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They're really, they're
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made well, they're neat.
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It's kind of a remembrance of something,
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someplace that you were at.
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I just don't see them.
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I just don't see myself sticking them
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on the outside of my Jeep.
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I would much rather have them like,
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I really like the ones
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that have those hotheads
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that go over in the freedom panels
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and then people will
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stick them to the hotheads
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that just right there above.
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Some people have put them
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on the hood on the inside.
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So when you raise the hood up,
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you can see the stickers and the badges,
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which I think that's really cool too.
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That's where I've got
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some stickers and stuff
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is on the inside of the hood.
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And so when you open up the hood
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and I've got some rather
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next level modifications
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going on in the
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engine compartment anyways.
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So it's a point where
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you want to kind of show
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some stuff off anyways.
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And I think that's,
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historically, I've always thought
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that's the best place
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for stickers on a Jeep
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is on the underside of the hood.
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Yeah.
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Oh, and there's some
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Wrangler owners out there
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that put all the badges
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and stuff on the tailgate
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on the inside.
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Again, when you open the
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tailgate for something,
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then you see the badges.
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I think that's a really cool idea.
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That's a new one for me.
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I haven't seen that one yet,
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any of the shows or anything like that.
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Out here in the Pacific Northwest,
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it seems to be,
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everybody wants to show off
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the stickers and the badges.
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And so it's all about the fenders
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and the side windows and stuff like that
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as far as badge and sticker
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locations go, respectively.
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I think, and I don't
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want to pick on anybody,
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but I think that it may
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have a lot to do with the,
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oh, I'm brain farting on it.
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Not Toledo Jeep Fest.
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There's another Jeep Fest, a big one,
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coming up down in, is
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it Georgia or something?
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Justin, I can't remember
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the name of the big event.
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Then, and I get the feeling,
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and there's so much of that
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event is you park your Jeep,
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you walk around at the
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vendors, you look at things,
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and then the other big thing to do
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is the main drag out there.
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You drive up and down the drag at night
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with your lights and your loud music,
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and of course, your
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stickers and your honor badges.
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I think that's what the
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honor badges represent the most,
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is not on the trail, but when you're out
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and doing nothing except being seen.
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That's exactly-- I'm sorry.
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That's-- Smokey Mountain Jeep Invasion.
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That's what I was trying to think of.
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Oh yeah, no, that's a
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big one, yeah, absolutely.
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Yeah, no, so it's, you're right.
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It's a, hey, look at
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me, look what I've done,
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look where I've been, and the only time
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that that's ever going to actually happen
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is either in the parking lot at the mall,
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the grocery store, or at the car meet,
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at the car show.
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And so whether it's an off-road show,
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you know, rigs and coffee type of thing,
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or you know, it's lunch on the trail.
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Lunch on the trail, you know,
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and it's just like
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everybody's looking around,
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kind of checking out each other's Jeeps,
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and we got some hoods open,
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maybe letting the
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engines cool off a little bit.
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Everybody's sort of showing off,
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and that's where that stuff comes in.
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It's, you're showing off to other Jeepers
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in those situations and stuff,
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and there's not too many of those.
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You're not, I guarantee you,
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there's not too many of us to our,
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you know, rubbernecking and caulking
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at the Jeep next to us on the freeway
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as we're doing 75
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miles an hour on our way
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to the store or something like that.
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You know, what badges are those?
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What you got over there?
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Oh,
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(beep)
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he's got six of them,
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I've only got five.
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What's that one?
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You know, and pretty soon, you're up
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against the barrier,
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and you know, jersey
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barrier is up against
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the side of the Jeep, and so no,
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there's time, place, and manner.
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That's one of my favorite three words,
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time, place, and manner.
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And I think the badges
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would fall into that category.
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When you're staring at
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the Jeep next to you,
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you're trying to see if there's any smoke
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or anything that will identify
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that the noise is coming
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from their Jeep and not yours.
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Yeah, I mean, but, and again,
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I don't wanna make
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anybody that really enjoys
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putting the badges on their Jeep,
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and there's some folks, Zabo,
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the
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(beep)
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18 carrier pilot.
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He has a bunch of honor badges on his
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very highly modified
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Jeep JLU, beautiful, beautiful rig,
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and he does a lot of serious off-roading,
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and that's perfectly fine.
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You don't have to go along with us.
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We just have an opinion
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that we're sharing with you.
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Some of you are gonna agree,
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some of you are gonna
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vehemently disagree,
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and we'd love to hear from you.
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But my point here is that it's okay.
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I think that whenever
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you show those things off,
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especially at events where
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you're parking your Jeep,
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you are showing them off to
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people that don't have a Jeep
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or just got a Jeep and don't
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know what they're looking at.
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It's just like, oh, wow,
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this is part of the Jeep lore.
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This is what it means
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to be a real Jeeper.
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Well, you say that sort of thing,
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and I was gonna say this sort of falls
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into the umbrella of,
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and I'm gonna go very
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cliche here for a second.
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It's a Jeep thing.
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You wouldn't understand.
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Yeah.
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(laughs)
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But I wanna understand. I
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guess you know the badges.
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And now I understand better
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because the Jeep thing is honor badges,
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because look at them,
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they're all over this Jeep.
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Yeah, yeah, it's the
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people that are curious,
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because so many people are
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very curious about Jeeps,
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especially of the off-road variety,
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and I've said it many, many times,
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everybody at some point in their life
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wants an off-road capable Jeep,
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and they just don't do it.
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And we may have people
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listening to this show
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because they love the
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idea of having a Jeep,
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but it's not practical.
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Well, hell no, it's not practical.
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Dayton and Stripper's not practical, but
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(beep)
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is fun.
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Well, boy, is it fun, yeah.
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(laughs) No, honestly, I have
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some great friendships
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that have been
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developed because of trail time.
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And it's like one of my
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good friends, Brandon,
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he's a bit younger than me,
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and we met through the forums
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back when those were popular
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before the Jeep world
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kind of went to social media,
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and took him out on
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his first wheeling trip.
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He had never really been
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off-road before outside of,
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let's go through that
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construction site over here
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and do something illegal in town.
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But outside of that kind of thing
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had never been on a trail,
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never had to worry about line selection,
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entire placement, and things like that.
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No, you look for cops is
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what you were looking for.
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(both laughing)
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And so going out there
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and exposing him to this
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for the first time and
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experiencing this with him
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develops this sort of
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rapport and this connection
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that not too many other
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things can develop like that.
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And so when you're in a situation like,
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well, it's not like Stockholm Syndrome,
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but it's like when two people share
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not a traumatic experience,
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but something along these lines.
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I mean, you're taking your
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second largest investment
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in your life into a situation where it
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can go horribly wrong.
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And most people who
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have never really been
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in an off-camber situation before,
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we'll see that screaming at them at a
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hundred miles an hour,
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even though you're
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only doing two and a half.
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And so it's as soon as
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you get into that off-camber
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and you start getting
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into those pucker situations
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and you're developing your
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awareness of your own abilities
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as an off-road driver
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and pushing those boundaries and stuff,
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when you're doing that with somebody,
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you're gonna be developing a connection
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and a friendship and
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something that's going to last
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for a very, very long time.
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And the Jeep world just
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opens up that door wide
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for all of that to happen
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with all kinds of people.
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I think it's just awesome.
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Yeah, I like it whenever
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you take a newbie with you
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and they ask you, should
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this cushion be stuck to my ass
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because it's not coming off.
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No, no, just relax.
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It's a pucker factor.
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The pucker will decrease.
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All right, so did you want to get into a,
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you, you, you.
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Oh, sure.
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Yeah, no, I've got one.
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So Tony, it's funny you bringing up
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the whole honor badges thing
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because this is one thing that sort of,
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as you could probably have told
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as we were getting into the conversation,
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it's not exactly
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something that I find fond
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and I think dearly of.
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Obviously I've only got a
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couple few honor badges myself
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and I certainly don't
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put them on my Jeep.
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And it's, look, we don't want to shame
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people out there, but
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I see Jeeps around here
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frequently in my neck of the woods
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who have way more honor badges
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than I believe that they should.
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And it's like, there's
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no way that you have been
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to 37 trails out here in your stock Jeep.
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Okay, you've got a two
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inch budget boost lift.
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You don't even have a spare tire carrier
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and you're out here with
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almost zero armor at all
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whatsoever and you're
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going to try and convince me
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that you've done 37 trails
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and have sent in for the badges
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and all of that sort of stuff.
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Oh, I believe that you
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sent in for the badges
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unless you bought the
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entire batch off of eBay
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from some seller who was like,
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here, I got these from my ex-boyfriend.
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You can have them now too.
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And it's like, no, okay,
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I'm not buying it, all right?
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Now, if you've got a
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rig that I can clearly see
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that you've invested $20,000, $30,000 in,
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it's a very capable off-road rig,
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perhaps it's something
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that maybe never even sees
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the pavement.
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Oh, that's definitely
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a trailer off-road rig.
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Oh, look at him.
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He's got 37 off-road badges.
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Well, yeah, well, no, he does.
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Look at him, look at that cheap.
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Yeah, okay, I believe that.
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But no, you on your
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freaking, you know, 32 all-terrains,
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you know, with all these badges on it
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and not a single spot of
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armor, no, I'm not buying it.
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So all of you out there who are posers,
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you, you, you.
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You know, we did a show
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about the stolen valor
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and I didn't want to cheapen the people.
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Good one.
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Yeah, I didn't want to cheapen the people
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that were the military
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and had these people pretend
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that they were higher ranks or served,
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even served in the military.
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But it goes videos,
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(beep)
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me off to know.
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And I see these videos
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of stolen valor online
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and oh my God, it gets under my skin
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like you would not believe.
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And it just, yeah, I picked me off.
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So stolen valor military,
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I mean, that's one thing.
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There's a line in the
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sand that you do not cross.
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Right behind that is
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the Jeep honor badge line.
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There you go, you get it.
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You know where you
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just, I mean, you like,
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I think one of the
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things I was talking about
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is like you buy a Jeep from somebody
16:16
that has a bunch of honor badges on it.
16:18
And they didn't want to pry that,
16:19
pry them off and pull a peep with it.
16:22
And now they buy a Jeep
16:23
that's fully outfitted
16:24
with every fricking
16:26
trail in the United States,
16:28
maybe a few in Canada if
16:29
they have them for Canada.
16:31
And now--
16:32
See then we get into the
16:33
whole built not bought thing.
16:34
And yeah, I mean, that sort of ties
16:36
into that umbrella as well.
16:38
And so yeah, no, I 100% agree.
16:39
All right, let's get into this next one.
16:41
I think this will be a cheerier subject.
16:43
And it's kind of a cautionary tale
16:46
that you may not
16:47
realize until after you do it.
16:50
And then you go, what the
16:51
(beep)
16:51
is this?
16:52
And then you think about it
16:52
and go, oh, that makes sense.
16:54
Replacing your fender flares,
16:57
it could be your, on your
16:58
Cherokee, your XJ, your TJ,
17:00
your CJ, JL, or a JT
17:04
Gladiator, it's all of them.
17:06
So I would love to have
17:08
some aftermarket fender flares
17:11
on my Gladiator so I
17:14
can increase the distance
17:15
between the top of the tire
17:17
and where the fender would rub.
17:18
I mean, I have a Gladiator Sport S,
17:22
so I don't have that extra two inches
17:24
that like the Rubicon fender flares have.
17:27
So it's easily solvable
17:29
because there's various places,
17:30
I love the Moto Belt ones,
17:32
but the problem with almost all the
17:35
fender flares out there
17:36
is they're narrow.
17:39
Narrow is cool.
17:40
It allows you easier to get up on
17:42
obstacles and stuff.
17:44
Not so cool when it's raining.
17:47
You're not gonna lose
17:48
control, but you may not see either
17:51
because there's this
17:52
thing called rooster tail
17:54
that happens on the front.
17:58
Yeah, especially when
17:59
you get into flares,
18:02
if you've got a substantial
18:03
amount of either body lift
18:06
or suspension lift, and
18:07
there's already a fair amount
18:09
of gap between the top of the tire
18:10
and the inner fender
18:11
well or the fender itself,
18:14
when you are on the road
18:16
and you're turning the wheel,
18:18
the outside of the
18:19
wheel starts to extend past
18:21
the edge of the fender,
18:22
and all of a sudden you see
18:23
this new rooster tail of water
18:24
come flying up past your mirror.
18:26
And it's like, where the
18:27
hell is that coming from?
18:28
Oh, that's coming from me.
18:30
And I've got that problem on my XJ
18:32
because, and a lot of us do,
18:35
when you get into lifts
18:38
and you get into different
18:40
aftermarket wheel and tire combinations,
18:42
you get into offsets and backspacing
18:45
and maybe even wheel
18:46
spacers, things like that.
18:48
You end up with a
18:49
situation where part, if not,
18:51
a good amount of your
18:52
tires are sticking out
18:53
past the fender, at
18:55
the edge of the fender.
18:56
And as you drive in
18:57
water, well, most of that tire
18:59
is supposed to catch
19:00
the spray from the water
19:02
and trap it inside the fender well,
19:05
and of course deal with that way.
19:06
Well, when your tire is
19:07
sticking out past the fender,
19:09
well, where's that water gonna go?
19:10
Straight up in the air, all
19:12
over the side of your body,
19:13
and if your window is down,
19:15
you're gonna get a shower.
19:17
Oh, I don't know if you have this,
19:19
but here in the
19:21
Southeast Texas, Houston area,
19:23
we have subdivisions and stuff,
19:26
and it used to really
19:28
(beep)
19:28
me off
19:28
back whenever I
19:29
actually would wash my car,
19:32
where you'd pull into a subdivision
19:34
and they've got the sprinklers going
19:35
for all the little flowers and stuff
19:38
that they plant next to
19:39
the sign for the subdivision.
19:40
I mean, bright, sunny
19:42
day, I've cleaned my car,
19:43
and now I'm driving
19:44
through these water puddles
19:46
because they're not modulating the water.
19:48
Oh.
19:48
Now I'm getting all this, it's minor,
19:51
but it's still, you go to the
19:52
trouble of cleaning your car.
19:54
Now, that's not an issue with my Jeep,
19:57
but if I'm driving my
19:58
Jeep with the doors off,
20:03
(both laughing) Yeah, the whole doorless
20:06
thing puts a whole new spin
20:08
on fender flare
20:10
selection, yeah, no doubt.
20:12
And that's one thing where
20:14
we're doing our homework,
20:15
and God, I've said this so
20:16
many times over the years,
20:17
doing your research can pay dividends
20:20
like you won't believe
20:21
when it comes to selecting
20:23
the aftermarket gear that
20:24
you're gonna put on your Jeep,
20:25
any kind of modification that you're
20:26
gonna do to the Jeep,
20:27
whether it's bolt-on or
20:29
whether it's something
20:29
more serious than that, it's worthwhile
20:32
to spend some time reading the reviews
20:35
and what people think and trying to find
20:38
other people out there who
20:39
have a similar setup to you
20:41
who are running the same sort of thing
20:42
that you're looking at and
20:44
what they have to say about it.
20:45
And you may find this
20:46
like three or four reviews
20:47
out of these 20, and
20:49
they're all saying the same thing,
20:50
"Man, I wish I wouldn't have
20:51
bought these because of this."
20:53
And it could be something as simple as
20:55
the spray coming up.
20:57
They don't cover the tire
20:58
like I thought they would.
20:59
I get this a lot, I see this a lot
21:00
with the metal cloak fenders,
21:02
because they have that big
21:03
high peak at the top of them.
21:06
They got that
21:06
triangular sort of look to them.
21:08
The metal cloak fenders,
21:09
they're metal fenders and all that,
21:11
they look phenomenal,
21:12
they perform amazing.
21:14
But one of the things
21:15
they don't do very well
21:17
is guard your face from
21:19
the tire spray from the front
21:21
as you drive down a wet road.
21:23
And this goes doubly
21:24
so when you're off road,
21:26
when you're driving with doors off,
21:30
or there's any kind of mud on the trail
21:31
and stuff like that,
21:32
dude, these things come
21:34
into play big time.
21:36
So check out your Fender
21:38
Fresh player selection.
21:39
If this is something that
21:40
you're in the market for,
21:41
do a lot of research,
21:42
do a lot of homework,
21:43
make sure you read those reviews,
21:45
and look at the fitment,
21:47
and make sure that this is something
21:48
that's gonna work for
21:49
you, for your needs,
21:50
and doesn't have any kind of,
21:53
well, some side effects, if you will.
21:55
Right, no modification goes unpunished.
21:58
We always say that here.
21:59
I don't know-- That's a good one.
22:01
I haven't seen it a lot online,
22:03
and I think it's
22:04
still a thing, foot pegs.
22:06
So if you've got foot pegs,
22:07
and you got your foot hanging out
22:09
the side of your Jeep,
22:11
getting that little breeze
22:12
up through the cargo shorts,
22:15
always making the
22:17
personal equipment cooler,
22:18
it's really nice, until
22:20
the car picks up a pebble,
22:23
and launches it. Smack you!
22:24
Well, even if it does itch
22:25
in the head, just the leg,
22:27
or it goes where the air is going.
22:30
Oh, right at the short leg, yeah.
22:34
Right at the short.
22:35
So yeah, keep this in mind.
22:37
We're not saying it happens all the time.
22:38
I'm not saying it's
22:40
never gonna happen to me,
22:41
but it can happen.
22:43
Sometimes you get a little sharp pain,
22:45
and then you realize it was something
22:46
that you drove over,
22:49
and the rock came up and hit you.
22:50
It might be a tiny little BB-sized thing,
22:53
but depending on the
22:54
force that comes at you, yeah.
22:57
It's not a bad idea to
22:58
wear some sort of sunglasses
23:00
to protect your eyes,
23:02
anytime you're doorless,
23:04
whether you've got
23:05
fender flares covering or not.
23:08
Just keep that in mind.
23:09
I was doing a search today,
23:10
I was talking to
23:11
somebody on our Discord server,
23:13
who was talking about his fender flares
23:16
on his Gladiator fading.
23:17
And I'm like, that's easily fixed.
23:20
You just replace them.
23:21
That's an old hat for us.
23:23
God, I can't remember
23:24
how many hours we've spent
23:25
in discussion about how
23:27
to bring back the luster
23:28
and the blackness of your fender flares.
23:30
Right.
23:30
So, Benny, it's just
23:32
an excuse to upgrade.
23:34
But, I mean, I'd like to upgrade,
23:36
but I just don't want the rooster tails.
23:40
I don't want all the
23:40
other associated situations
23:42
that come with narrow fenders.
23:45
I mean, fender flares,
23:46
they look phenomenal.
23:47
Like I said earlier, I
23:49
really like the motor belt stuff,
23:50
but they're like two
23:52
inches wide at the front.
23:54
Yeah, see, there's a
23:55
couple of guys out here
23:56
that are running those too.
23:58
And for me, they look like these
24:02
such small, short little fenders.
24:06
There's almost no tire at all
24:08
underneath the fender flare.
24:11
And so, it gives this
24:12
froggy look to the Jeep.
24:15
It makes the tub look a
24:16
little bit more narrow.
24:17
It kind of reminds me
24:18
of some of those builds
24:19
that you see where the guys have no
24:22
fender flares at all
24:23
and they've got full
24:24
width axles under their Jeeps.
24:25
And the tire is, the inside of the tire
24:30
is a foot and a half away
24:31
from the side of the Jeep.
24:32
And it's just like,
24:33
okay, you're super capable.
24:36
I love the flex that you're getting,
24:37
but it just, it looks weird.
24:39
I don't know.
24:40
I don't believe that the
24:42
tires need to be completely
24:44
inside your fender flare.
24:46
And I don't believe
24:46
that your fender flares
24:47
need to be two feet wide in order to
24:50
cover all of your tire
24:51
if you're running offsets
24:52
or if you're running spacers
24:53
or if you're running full width axles
24:54
or whatever it may be.
24:56
A certain bit of
24:57
protrusion, I think, is allowed
24:59
and expected and if anything else,
25:02
enhances the look of the Jeep.
25:03
We have a stance.
25:04
So there's certainly a balance point
25:07
that comes into play.
25:08
How much of the tire, and honestly,
25:10
this is another thing that
25:11
we should probably bring up
25:13
is state laws, local and state laws.
25:16
So out here in Oregon, and
25:18
I've gotten a fender flare ticket
25:19
before, because it was the only thing
25:21
that he could get me
25:21
for at the end of the day.
25:22
But, well, the guy
25:25
thought he was trying to get me
25:26
for doing like 15 over
25:28
the posted speed limit,
25:29
which would have mean that I was doing
25:31
like 65 miles an hour
25:32
or 70 miles an hour.
25:34
And this is when I was
25:34
coming down the mountain
25:35
with a sheared off track bar bracket.
25:38
And I'm like, I've got death wobble,
25:39
like nobody would believe
25:41
anything over 35 miles an hour.
25:44
I'm almost coasting down the
25:45
mountain with my hazards on.
25:47
And the state patrol
25:48
whips a bit and pulls me over
25:50
because he swears that I was
25:51
doing over the speed limit.
25:52
I was like, listen, let
25:54
me show you something here.
25:55
Get out of the Jeep and
25:56
show him how much damage
25:58
he's done to the front of
25:59
my Jeep and trying to explain
26:00
to him, you know,
26:01
suspension geometry and sheer forces
26:03
and stuff like that.
26:04
It was like trying to
26:05
explain lockers to us,
26:06
deer caught in the headlights.
26:07
I mean, the guy had no grasp of
26:09
understanding whatsoever.
26:11
And at the end of the
26:11
day, all he could get me for
26:12
was a fender flare violation.
26:14
So look, these fender
26:16
flare violations do exist.
26:18
They will happen in
26:19
your state, whether or not
26:20
your state patrol or
26:21
local sheriff's department
26:22
or police department
26:23
would actually enforce them
26:25
is entirely up to what
26:26
kind of day they're having.
26:27
But that being said, you
26:29
need to educate yourself
26:30
and at least find out what the laws are
26:33
and how much of your
26:34
tire is allowed to protrude
26:36
past the fender flare
26:37
because that is a thing
26:39
and you can get ticketed for it.
26:41
And at least to here in
26:42
Oregon, it's not a cheap ticket.
26:44
You know, I think it was
26:45
only two, three years ago
26:47
that Pennsylvania made it
26:49
legal to take the doors off.
26:51
So there was, yeah,
26:52
there was literally a state
26:54
where you could not take
26:55
the doors off your Jeep.
26:57
Oh, no.
26:59
If I was Jeep official, I
27:01
would have sent a cease and desist
27:02
to the legislature a long time ago.
27:05
So look, this is a
27:06
built-in feature of our vehicles
27:08
and we've already sold a
27:09
million and a half of them
27:10
in your state alone
27:11
over the last 75 years.
27:13
So yeah, you can off
27:16
with that whole rule.
27:17
(upbeat music)
27:20
(upbeat music)
27:22
Jeep Jamboree USA,
27:25
when you go to the event
27:26
as an attendee and do the trails,
27:28
you can actually get a badge
27:30
for Jeep Jamborees now too.
27:32
So there's a lot of badges.
27:35
This is one of the first
27:37
ones that I'm aware of.
27:37
I think they had one other,
27:39
well, they've got some other
27:40
badges that you can earn
27:41
by doing multiple trails
27:42
and different things,
27:43
but this one was unique,
27:45
but it is the 250th year of America.
27:48
And I thought it was pretty cool.
27:49
The problem was their server crashed
27:52
and they couldn't handle the traffic.
27:54
And so apparently it's
27:55
so popular that everybody
27:57
was trying to get on and you check in
27:59
and it wouldn't ever let you check in.
28:00
And you tried about 30 times
28:02
and maybe you get checked in,
28:03
but it said, you can't go further,
28:06
you're gonna have to wait.
28:07
But the next day it allowed me to go in
28:11
and enter my address.
28:12
And I've got one on the way
28:14
whenever they get a maiden.
28:15
I'm not holding my breath
28:16
probably six months from now,
28:17
but I think it's cool.
28:19
I mean, I don't mind
28:20
having a virtual badge,
28:22
but no, you're not earning it.
28:24
It's just a celebration of the USA.
28:26
Right.
28:26
Well, I mean, if that's the case,
28:28
shouldn't there be a
28:29
bunch of different badges
28:30
that didn't really
28:32
have anything to do with
28:33
going to a destination?
28:35
We won every 250 years.
28:38
Where was it in the Bicentennial?
28:40
I was there in 1976.
28:43
Didn't exist.
28:44
Yeah, I think it was
28:45
more or less just the way
28:46
that it marked the moment.
28:48
I mean, no different than the
28:50
250 Jeep that they have too.
28:52
They also had the limited
28:53
edition Jurassic Park one
28:55
tied in with the movie promo.
28:57
Yeah.
28:58
100, I think.
29:00
Whoa, and if you think about it,
29:02
I mean, it's also for people
29:03
that didn't have the badge,
29:06
honor badge thing, the app or whatever,
29:08
and they weren't even doing it.
29:09
To hear about an opportunity to get a
29:11
badge for their Jeep,
29:13
you don't have to do
29:13
nothing, you just get it.
29:15
It gets you to enroll in the program
29:18
and now you're gonna be staring at it,
29:20
and oh my God, there's
29:21
a trail 100 miles away,
29:23
50 miles away, 500 miles away.
29:25
It's gonna get people
29:25
thinking about possibly
29:26
going on doing something.
29:28
Do you think it actually
29:29
could get people off road
29:30
in their Jeep?
29:32
I think it's possible.
29:33
I mean, not everybody, but
29:34
I think in some cases, yeah.
29:38
All right, I see where you've got Travis.
29:40
Travis, are you ready to talk?
29:42
You're muted there.
29:44
So we're talking about
29:46
the new Jeep honor badge,
29:48
the 250th America honor badge,
29:52
and I'm asking, is this the new
29:53
participation trophy?
29:55
Since you don't gotta be there,
29:57
I don't even think you
29:58
have to be an American, Dan.
30:01
Thank you, talking to Dan, not Travis.
30:04
No, I hear him talking.
30:05
I was muted and then I unmuted myself
30:07
because I'm trying to
30:08
get my background picture
30:09
because yeah, I got the fact.
30:11
I signed up for that.
30:14
You know, I think
30:16
what we were just saying,
30:19
it does open up a door to people
30:21
that were unaware that that's there.
30:24
You know, when you go
30:25
through a Jeep in the back,
30:29
the salesmen truly don't
30:31
share a lot of the information,
30:33
a lot of the off-roaders, you know,
30:35
unless you speak to them, off-road,
30:38
you may have zero knowledge of this.
30:41
Why pitch it to 95 out of
30:43
100 that aren't gonna do it?
30:45
It's still, it is a marketing ploy,
30:50
but the fact is it's a marketing ploy.
30:53
And if none of y'all saw
30:55
Jeep's official post on it
30:57
on how they failed, you know,
31:00
I saw it shortly after it
31:01
was, you know, up and live,
31:03
but it was that comedian girl
31:06
that did a bunch of the other ads,
31:08
but she was on there
31:09
like on how they failed.
31:10
It didn't get it done, but you know,
31:14
do I have my badges all over my Jeep?
31:16
No.
31:17
You know, do I care if
31:18
anybody else sees them?
31:19
No.
31:20
Do I still earn them
31:21
with the honor system
31:22
on hey, I completed this trail?
31:24
Yeah, I'm gonna do it.
31:26
And in that aspect, you know, I like it.
31:29
It is a lot of people,
31:31
that's the thing with honor.
31:32
You know, how many
31:33
people in the world now
31:34
are gonna take advantage of something
31:35
or do something they didn't do?
31:37
This is getting the Jeep name out,
31:39
getting people involved in their website,
31:42
getting people, it's marketing.
31:44
You know, in that aspect,
31:46
it's good that, you know,
31:47
they got more people to see.
31:48
The amount of social media that I saw
31:51
with everybody
31:51
complaining about the failure
31:53
was unbelievable.
31:54
And if you were a Jeep or not a Jeeper,
31:57
you 100% witnessed that from somewhere.
32:00
So in that aspect, it's great marketing.
32:02
You know, you're gonna, if
32:03
you fail, you still market,
32:05
and that's it, you know?
32:08
(indistinct)
32:11
Yeah, so I know you do
32:14
wheeling with Waylon online.
32:17
Does Waylon have a doghouse?
32:19
Because I'm thinking
32:20
honor badges on the doghouse.
32:22
Because he's really
32:22
the one that's out there
32:23
doing the hard work.
32:25
Not drowning.
32:30
Just jumping under my arm
32:32
every time I'm taking a bad log.
32:34
If I can't do that, I'm gonna get you
32:36
because you're taking the wrong line.
32:38
He doesn't have a dog.
32:39
I mean, he's got a
32:40
crate, but it's open door.
32:42
Oh, that sounds horrible.
32:45
You should take the dog with you.
32:46
Don't ship that dog.
32:48
That's not right.
32:49
He's always with me
32:50
in a Jeep, regardless.
32:51
I mean, he's with me everywhere I can.
32:53
If I gotta get on a plane,
32:54
that's the one thing I haven't done yet.
32:56
But if I'm by vehicle, he's with me.
32:59
Hallway.
33:01
He's laying down with you.
33:03
I've got a screen bearing.
33:04
But yeah, he's actually.
33:07
He looks like he's gotten bigger.
33:10
He's 42 pounds.
33:12
He's putting weight
33:12
back on after a surgery.
33:14
After he decides to eat rubber.
33:17
Yeah, you started feeding him
33:18
because he doesn't have
33:19
to eat balloons anymore.
33:22
All right, let's go over to Steve O.
33:24
Steve O, did you sign up for a
33:26
participation trophy?
33:28
The America's 250th Jeep honor badge?
33:32
I did.
33:33
I was up at, because it
33:34
was 11 o'clock central.
33:35
So 12 o'clock Eastern.
33:37
So I was up about 1130 after half hour.
33:41
I said, "Nesto, this is
33:42
how I'm going to bed."
33:45
I mean, it was one of
33:46
those, I knew what was happening.
33:47
I was kind of, it was kind of funny,
33:48
the whole leading up to that.
33:50
Everybody knows it's gonna
33:51
be limited edition, right?
33:52
So what do they do?
33:53
They're posting it at all,
33:54
the social media groups sharing it.
33:56
Like getting more, I
33:57
was sitting there like,
33:59
that's the dumbest thing you can do.
34:00
Because all you're doing is
34:02
inviting more people to log on
34:03
and to have it happen
34:05
exactly what happened, right?
34:08
So whatever.
34:10
I did get it eventually,
34:12
I woke up, what was it?
34:14
I don't know, nine in the morning.
34:16
It was one of those things
34:16
where I wasn't sure I got it,
34:19
but eventually the profile
34:20
updated where it showed it
34:22
and I was able to request the hard badge.
34:25
But to be fair, the Jeep, the badge,
34:27
the app itself is not perfect.
34:29
I've got badges I've
34:30
already physically obtained
34:33
that still show as pending or requested
34:36
in the badge of honor
34:37
app from two years ago.
34:39
So there's problems
34:41
with the app to begin with.
34:41
It doesn't update all the time
34:44
when something's been
34:45
shipped to you anyway.
34:46
Right.
34:47
You know, and this whole
34:48
thing is I'm waiting to see
34:48
how much they're gonna be on eBay.
34:49
Because right now the
34:51
Jurassic Park ones are 240 on eBay.
34:56
It's just like, seriously?
34:59
Two dollars and 40 cents?
35:01
No, 240.00.
35:03
Yeah, exactly.
35:04
And I had to laugh too,
35:05
because all the people are mining and
35:07
moaning some people.
35:07
I'm deleting this app, blah, blah, blah.
35:09
And I'm like, whatever.
35:11
Yeah, oh, that's gonna hurt me.
35:13
It's like one of those people that says,
35:14
I'm sick of this group, I'm leaving.
35:16
It's like, why do you need to announce
35:17
that you're leaving?
35:18
Not an airport.
35:19
Frickin'--
35:20
Yeah, I was gonna say,
35:21
this ain't the airport.
35:22
You ain't gotta announce it.
35:23
That's right. Exactly.
35:24
Rivals and departures are
35:26
not necessary to announce.
35:28
All right, so let's go over to Rick.
35:31
Rick, you look like a participator
35:33
with all that stuff that you're doing
35:34
there with your Jeep.
35:35
Or did you sign up for
35:36
a participation trophy?
35:38
AKA a new Jeep Honor Badge?
35:41
All right, I got all the badges.
35:43
I got them in a drawer somewhere.
35:46
I tried to get, while I'm going,
35:48
I was gonna get the thing.
35:49
I don't know what I was gonna do with it.
35:50
Because I ain't
35:51
figured out what I'm gonna do
35:52
with the ones I got.
35:52
But I decided that
35:56
they're a bunch of communists
35:57
because they would
35:57
never let me just log in.
35:59
So I wasn't part of that party.
36:02
They got in and got one.
36:04
So I got cheated.
36:07
So I'm not down with--
36:10
He's not that sore, is he?
36:13
Well, you go to the, you
36:15
try to make the attempt
36:16
and not be able to get on
36:17
and then actually get it.
36:18
It is frustrating.
36:20
I've got one on cell for eBay for you
36:22
and I really want it.
36:23
There you go.
36:24
240.
36:25
How long do I, how long
36:26
do I find three different
36:28
constant pride and
36:30
then I forgot about it.
36:32
I wasn't that invested in it.
36:34
I mean, if I'd have got
36:35
it, I'd have thrown it
36:36
in the drawer with the other one.
36:37
So who predicts Rick's
36:39
gonna be online tonight
36:41
when he gets done working on his Jeep,
36:42
seeing if he can order the badge?
36:46
I'll sell it to him.
36:47
But I mean, that's the
36:48
thing I wore on Wednesday
36:49
or Monday, Sunday, the following day.
36:51
I tried, it failed, it failed, it failed.
36:55
The next day I woke up and I was like,
36:57
oh, let me see it again.
36:59
Cause it was only July--
37:00
I thought it was, yeah, I
37:02
thought it was only July 4th.
37:03
I didn't even try it.
37:04
The check-in was July 4th.
37:06
It was in there.
37:07
Besides, Rick, you
37:08
know you don't have time
37:09
to install that badge.
37:13
(laughing)
37:13
Too many other things to knock out first.
37:17
You can't add something else on the list.
37:18
(laughing)
37:20
You might have a point there.
37:24
All right, let's go to John.
37:26
John, what do you think?
37:27
250 Honor Badge, did you order one?
37:29
Are you getting one?
37:30
Are you excited?
37:31
Yeah, I did the request of our badge.
37:34
I mean, I go back and
37:35
look at it from the point,
37:36
it's in the name, Honor Badge, right?
37:38
So if you wanna go and
37:40
get them erroneously,
37:41
then whatever that's
37:43
saying more about you
37:43
than it is anyone else.
37:45
As far as like the
37:46
special event badges, right?
37:47
Put it on there.
37:48
I know what it is.
37:49
You know what it is
37:50
when you see the badge.
37:51
It's not like it's trying
37:52
to be anything it's not.
37:53
So I think they're cool.
37:56
I run them on my Jeep
37:57
and I get more people
37:58
asking questions about
37:59
the badges than I do.
38:00
What wheels do I run in?
38:01
What lift, what tires, like that.
38:03
They wanna know about the badges.
38:05
So what are all these for?
38:06
Oh yeah, well, you went and been here.
38:08
This is a Moab, this is in Colorado.
38:10
And kind of, there's badges for trails
38:12
that they don't even do
38:13
the badges anymore, right?
38:14
They're canceled the badge.
38:15
So it's kind of a
38:17
cool just thing on there.
38:19
And a lot of it may come from just,
38:22
when I was in the Air Force,
38:23
we collected patches from
38:25
the different bases we were at
38:26
and different units would be a part of
38:27
and challenge points, everything else.
38:30
We're always kind of collecting stuff
38:32
that was just kind of
38:33
mementos of kind of what you,
38:35
where you've been and
38:36
what you accomplished
38:37
and all that kind of stuff, right?
38:38
So I think they're cool
38:41
and I don't have any issue with them.
38:43
I think it's, I put it on the
38:45
same campus as Dutch, right?
38:48
I mean, it may not be my thing,
38:49
but it's not worth my
38:50
energy to judge someone else.
38:52
Right, so, but I, myself, I collect them,
38:55
I think they're cool, I came on a Jeep
38:57
and I don't have any kind
38:58
of fancy display either.
38:59
I just slap them on there.
39:01
I don't even think
39:01
they're in a straight line,
39:02
but I'll probably put them.
39:04
I've run out of room on the driver side.
39:05
So now I'm moving over to the,
39:07
might have to move over
39:08
to the passenger side.
39:09
But yeah, I think they're cool.
39:12
Very, very nice.
39:13
So, you know, you talk about
39:14
patches from different bases.
39:16
I just thought about something.
39:18
My aunt used to bring me NASA patches.
39:22
Each Apollo mission
39:24
had a different badge.
39:26
I remember one had
39:27
Snoopy on it from Peanuts.
39:30
And man, I wish I still had those things.
39:32
I mean, good Lord, that
39:34
was from years and years ago.
39:36
But I agree, the patches,
39:39
and I'm not talking about vinyl.
39:40
This is cloth, embroidered stuff.
39:43
And I imagine that's the same,
39:44
that's true with the ones from the bases.
39:47
Those are neat.
39:47
You can make a jacket out of it,
39:49
or you can just collect them and stick
39:50
them up on something.
39:51
And it's just a remembrance.
39:53
So, and that kind of
39:54
brings me back to the point
39:55
that this is
39:56
remembering the 250th birthday
39:59
of the United States, but it's not, to
40:03
me, it's not Jeepie.
40:04
And you don't, like I said,
40:05
you don't have to sign up for anything
40:06
other than just, I want one.
40:09
You have to have a Jeep.
40:12
So you have to say that, you know,
40:14
year after year when they do that,
40:15
what have the most
40:16
American or patriotic brands,
40:18
like Jeep is all the
40:20
way at the top, right?
40:21
So I owned a Jeep at the same time
40:25
that America turns you 50.
40:26
I mean, that's really
40:27
what it's saying, right?
40:28
Because you've got a
40:29
VIN number, you know,
40:30
you've got an account which
40:31
you have to have registered
40:32
and everything else.
40:33
So I don't know if you
40:34
got points towards your,
40:36
maybe, I don't know if
40:37
you noticed this or not,
40:38
but on the app, they've
40:39
added like a video game
40:41
leveling up kind of bar.
40:43
That's been there for a long time.
40:45
Well, I don't know if
40:46
you looked at it recently,
40:47
my real point is they
40:49
changed the level rates.
40:51
So a lot of people that
40:52
used to be like off the charts
40:53
in the end from checking in so much,
40:54
they were like maxed out,
40:55
they're now all the way
40:56
back at the beginning.
40:57
They went like double, three points.
40:59
So they got like, different levels.
41:02
I don't know if it
41:03
accounts for that or not,
41:04
but I think it's cool.
41:05
I mean, I have a Jeep
41:07
and they just said the 250.
41:08
I think it's kind of a cool celebration,
41:11
what Jeep did there.
41:12
Well, I'm glad Jeep is
41:14
paying attention to us,
41:15
but I think that it may be, I don't know,
41:19
that whole anybody is
41:21
worthy kind of gets me.
41:23
Dan, what about you?
41:25
Do you like the participation trophies?
41:27
Do you do the Jeep butter badges at all?
41:29
Yeah, I got mine.
41:30
I went on because I started to look at,
41:32
you know, it said
41:34
midnight, but midnight where?
41:36
Like what time zone?
41:39
And all I found was it
41:40
said your local time zone.
41:42
I'm like, well, that doesn't work,
41:43
especially if it's limited.
41:45
Somebody told me it
41:46
wasn't necessarily limited
41:47
than anybody that could
41:48
check in for it and apply for it,
41:50
but it was, they weren't
41:51
gonna cut it off at 2,500
41:53
or whatever it was.
41:55
So, but I tried it at midnight.
41:57
I got to the point where it
41:58
said I didn't have a connection,
42:01
but it recorded my
42:03
check-in, but I didn't believe them.
42:06
So I kind of left it.
42:09
I slept for a little bit.
42:10
I woke up at 2.30 for no good reason,
42:13
tried a few more times and
42:14
I got all the way through.
42:15
So you were worried about
42:16
getting the honor badge.
42:16
We know why you woke up.
42:18
I gotta check it now.
42:19
I gotta check it now.
42:20
I know, I didn't say I had to have it.
42:22
But then I did a fourth of July parade
42:24
with one of the Jeep groups up here
42:26
and everybody was
42:27
logged in trying to get it.
42:29
And nobody was able to get it.
42:32
So they were getting the, you
42:33
know, we recorded, you know,
42:35
try again later.
42:36
I'm like, yeah, I don't believe that
42:38
cause I don't see it.
42:39
Right.
42:41
I think they brought the problem.
42:42
Nobody believed it.
42:43
So they kept trying to refresh it.
42:45
And then people were taking screenshots.
42:47
So they had, look,
42:48
this is what it told me
42:49
to go back and complain later, but.
42:52
Oh, so the message that it was given you
42:54
was the same message you'd have gotten
42:55
if you were out in Moab in
42:57
an area with no reception.
42:58
So it was still
43:01
acknowledging that you checked in for it.
43:03
It just, because their server was down,
43:05
you weren't, you really didn't have,
43:07
it wasn't that you didn't
43:08
have network connection.
43:10
You did have it.
43:11
Yes.
43:11
You just didn't have
43:12
connection to their server.
43:14
So it was saved and it
43:15
saves it by way of the app.
43:17
Right, but there's just
43:18
nothing that tells you
43:20
that you can go back and
43:20
double check that it's there
43:22
where you can go and submit later.
43:24
That's what I was looking for.
43:25
I couldn't remember if
43:26
there was one before,
43:27
but I knew from the Moab experience,
43:29
so the last year, the
43:30
last time Moab wasn't as bad
43:33
is the year before,
43:34
but it was an absolute
43:35
(beep)
43:36
show
43:36
trying to get anything through there
43:38
because there were so many
43:39
people trying to request badges.
43:42
Very good, very good.
43:43
All right, let's jump over to Mike.
43:45
Mike, what do you think?
43:47
Are you a Jeep Honor badge collector?
43:50
No, I'm not, but I mean,
43:54
to be the 250th year, I
43:57
can see how it could be.
44:00
No, it's an operation
44:01
of that type of thing.
44:03
Oh, I think it's great that
44:05
America has lasted 250 years.
44:07
I just, like I said, when
44:09
you don't have to sign up
44:10
for anything other than I want one,
44:12
to me it kind of cheapens
44:13
the whole Honor badge thing.
44:15
I can too, going on eBay
44:17
and buying the Honor badges
44:19
that you want.
44:20
Think about it this way.
44:21
What percentage of
44:21
Jeepers actually off-road it
44:23
and they're gonna get the
44:23
badges we're doing off-road?
44:25
All the mall crawlers
44:26
finally have their opportunity
44:28
to get a badge.
44:31
They're gonna go for it.
44:32
Who's the catch though?
44:34
I'm 25 miles from the
44:35
local quarry that has a badge.
44:38
I can check in from my house.
44:41
Well, I mean, if you want to go that far,
44:43
you could even just spoof your location
44:45
and check in for
44:45
every single one of them.
44:46
I don't have to, like I
44:47
just pulled the app up
44:48
a second ago and it'll
44:49
let me check in from here.
44:51
Yeah.
44:53
That's why it's called the Honor badge.
44:55
Exactly.
44:56
That's what it goes back to
44:57
earlier we were talking about.
44:58
That's why it's a
44:58
personal reflection there.
45:00
So it's in the name.
45:01
Well, all crawlers that
45:02
want to say they did stuff,
45:03
it's just as easy, I mean.
45:06
Well, and I don't, oh, sorry.
45:08
That was my whole
45:10
point was it's just as easy
45:11
just to say, yeah, I did it.
45:13
So Kevin, where does
45:14
this put you on the spectrum
45:16
as far as the Honor badge?
45:18
I mean, this one you'd
45:19
only have to be 25 miles away.
45:22
Kevin's on the spectrum.
45:24
(laughing)
45:24
Probably.
45:25
I don't have a problem with them.
45:29
I think if there's certain
45:30
trails that if I ever get out
45:32
to you, I'll probably order them,
45:34
but I'm not trying to
45:35
collect every single one.
45:36
There's just a few that I'm,
45:38
what would like just
45:39
like a little momento
45:39
like if I ever get out to the Rubicon,
45:42
some of the Moab ones, stuff like that.
45:45
The fact that my local
45:46
rock quarry has one to me
45:48
cheapens it more than
45:49
the 250th America one.
45:51
Yeah, I agree with you.
45:54
And then even then, like I
45:55
won't put them on the Jeep.
45:57
I know some people like it.
45:58
I don't care for them on the Jeep.
46:00
So it's just not my thing.
46:01
I put it on like my toolbox or, you know,
46:04
my gun safe or something like that, but.
46:08
Yeah, very good.
46:09
Well, I think everybody here is saying
46:11
that it was a great idea.
46:12
It could have been better executed.
46:15
Kevin's on the spectrum.
46:16
I think everybody agreed with that.
46:18
And yeah, oh, and the
46:20
other thing we agreed on,
46:20
Rick is not gonna have
46:21
his Jeep ready in time
46:23
for the Rubicon.
46:26
Yeah, I was just gonna add the, you know,
46:28
when you said that anybody can get one,
46:32
the only people that can
46:33
get them are the same people
46:33
that could have got them
46:34
the day before on the trail.
46:36
I mean, you still had
46:37
to have a VIN number.
46:37
So it's not like anybody could get one.
46:40
You still had to have a Jeep.
46:42
And I mean, so it's, it's still limited.
46:45
Compass or Liberty could get one too.
46:47
Right.
46:48
And as far as
46:51
collecting the badges, you know,
46:52
for you Jeep or even
46:54
just collection period.
46:55
I mean, when you go
46:56
somewhere, do you take pictures?
46:59
Because if you're taking pictures,
47:00
you're collecting something.
47:02
You're collecting photos here.
47:03
It's a memento.
47:04
It's a remembrance.
47:06
Or do you buy souvenirs?
47:08
I mean, it's the same thing.
47:09
It's only, it's only
47:10
something that you don't have to,
47:11
it's something you
47:12
don't have to purchase.
47:13
It's a souvenir of
47:13
something that you did.
47:15
I remember it's just something you did.
47:17
So I mean, I think the
47:19
badges are a pretty cool thing.
47:21
Well, I like the
47:22
system for finding trails.
47:24
Like if you're new to
47:25
the, trying to find stuff,
47:26
I like the system for that.
47:28
Yeah.
47:29
But I think it's gotten diluted somewhat.
47:32
Like I said, my local rock quarry.
47:37
You're really butter about that.
47:40
I hate that part.
47:41
I really do.
47:42
Like I don't want to
47:43
take three to four years
47:44
and make sure that
47:45
I'm taking it as works.
47:46
And outside of that, I don't know.
47:49
Tony brought up an interesting question
47:50
at the beginning though.
47:51
He said, anybody could get them.
47:53
Well, first you have to
47:54
have a Jeep and a VIN,
47:55
but then you said you
47:56
didn't even have to be
47:57
in the United States.
47:58
So I'm wondering how many
47:59
Canadians or Europeans or,
48:03
you know, Japanese, I don't know,
48:04
people that have Jeeps around the world.
48:07
I think they're proud to
48:08
have an American icon with Jeep.
48:11
I don't have a problem
48:11
with them getting a 250 badge.
48:14
No.
48:15
Hey, let me add something
48:17
to the, can you all hear me?
48:20
Yup.
48:22
Let me add something today.
48:23
I was trying to get a part for my JL Axle
48:26
and at the stewardship and they said,
48:29
well, we need your VIN number.
48:31
I was like, I ain't got a VIN number.
48:32
So I called one of my buddies.
48:34
I said, Hey, I need a VIN number.
48:36
And he said, just get on their website.
48:39
He said every Jeep
48:41
they got for sale on there
48:42
and they just got all of
48:42
their VIN numbers on there.
48:44
So I looked in on that.
48:44
There we go.
48:46
There we go.
48:48
I just grabbed one.
48:51
There are Toyotas out there
48:53
with a 250 Jeep on her badge.
48:55
Yeah, I wasn't gonna say it,
48:56
but I was gonna look up on the Grock
48:58
and see if I could find
48:59
some VIN numbers online.
49:01
But I forgot about that
49:02
when you go to a dealership,
49:03
a used car, whatever, they've
49:04
got VINs all over the place.
49:06
Well, somebody else
49:07
wants to celebrate Jeep
49:10
and the 250th.
49:11
I don't care if they slap on Toyota.
49:14
They're cheating, damn it.
49:16
They're admitting what we already know
49:17
that they'd much rather
49:19
be in the Jeep, right?
49:20
I mean, they're gonna slap a Jeep badge
49:22
because there's 250 on
49:24
the side of that Toyota.
49:25
I don't know.
49:26
I see a Renegade with
49:28
its, even if it's red,
49:29
I see a Renegade with its doors off
49:31
and a 250 Honor badge on it.
49:34
It makes me feel cheap.
49:36
I mean, I don't know.
49:38
I'd be fine with a Renegade doing that.
49:40
I'm just envisioning a
49:41
Prius with their doors off
49:43
with a Jeep 250 badge.
49:44
And that, I think that
49:47
all the words that shows
49:48
doors off, I ain't even mad at them.
49:50
Exactly, I mean, that shows some--
49:52
They have the hinges.
49:53
You can still see the hinges.
49:55
What do they say?
49:56
Imitation is the most
49:57
sincere form of flattery, right?
49:59
Like, so they're all
50:00
in which they work in.
50:01
They could also be true of a stalker.
50:05
Well, and now that most of
50:06
the badges are due to a trail,
50:08
I mean, this wasn't a trail.
50:10
This was just a celebration badge.
50:14
So it's not like you're, you know,
50:16
Joe Schmoe got it and
50:17
put it on his Prius.
50:18
It's not like he's
50:20
claiming that he did a trail.
50:21
He's just celebrating the 250.
50:23
He's just like, "Yay, Jeep, yay, Jeep!"
50:26
Yeah.
50:27
So besides the badge,
50:29
isn't there right now?
50:30
And I haven't looked online for this,
50:31
but I knew they were coming
50:32
out with that Captain America
50:34
Jeep or whatever that
50:35
was the All-American thing
50:36
that was out released this month
50:39
for special order that was
50:40
what, red, white, and blue,
50:42
and has a sticker package?
50:44
Yeah, it's a sticker package,
50:47
but it's a limited edition thing, right?
50:49
Yep.
50:50
From the mind of Nicky G.
50:55
Hey, this is Nicky G.
50:57
Bam.
50:58
How much longer are you guys
50:59
gonna put up with this hair?
51:01
Somebody should get a haircut.
51:05
That's not what I'm calling.
51:07
Calling to ask you,
51:08
do you know what mermaids you used to
51:10
wash your fins with?
51:12
Yeah, a tide.
51:16
You know what you
51:16
call a sleeping dinosaur?
51:19
A dinosaur.
51:25
Why did the biscuit go to the doctor?
51:28
Because he was feeling crummy.
51:33
And if you haven't left by now,
51:34
and you're still sticking around,
51:36
last one's a good one.
51:38
What do you call a rug on a leash?
51:42
Yeah, a carpet.
51:45
(carpet honking)
51:47
Get it, carpet?
51:48
If you gotta explain it, it didn't work,
51:50
but yeah, did any of these things work?
51:53
All right, boys and
51:53
girls, I'll tell you later,
51:54
you have a good one, bye.
51:56
(upbeat music)
51:57
Alrighty, Josh, well, unfortunately,
52:00
or fortunately, if
52:02
you're busy working like you,
52:03
we have come up to the end of the show.
52:06
I thought I'd mention this.
52:07
You might find this pretty funny too,
52:10
because I know this is
52:11
something new to you.
52:13
I am now having Grock review the episode.
52:18
So at the end,
52:20
(laughing)
52:21
at the end--
52:21
What does Grock think?
52:22
Oh, God.
52:23
Yeah, so--
52:24
You're torturing the poor bitch.
52:26
Grock will review this episode.
52:29
It'll be at the very end,
52:30
just slapped on at the very end.
52:33
So if you got an extra minute or so,
52:36
wait to the end and you
52:37
can listen to see what--
52:38
Oh, geez.
52:38
Grock, and I don't know if
52:40
you're familiar with this
52:41
because you've been away from the show.
52:43
There's a Grock unhinged mode.
52:46
And unhinged is very colorful.
52:49
And she drops all the words
52:52
that we like to bleep on this show,
52:54
and it gets really down and nasty
52:56
about what she thinks about things.
52:59
It's hilarious.
53:00
Who the
53:01
(bleep)
53:01
was this other guy you brought on, Tony?
53:03
I'm spending too much computing power
53:05
trying to process
53:06
this fucker's vocabulary.
53:09
We're gonna have to go
53:09
ahead and change your format.
53:12
(laughing)
53:12
So I tried this.
53:14
Oh, and this is the other thing.
53:16
We are going back and remastering,
53:19
I'm using the keywords that the
53:21
commercial people do,
53:23
remastering the
53:24
original Jeep talk show shows.
53:27
It's actually XJ Talk Show back then.
53:30
So I have remastered,
53:32
gone through and remastered
53:33
episodes 28 through one.
53:36
So that means it's all
53:39
done up with the studio stuff.
53:41
And actually episode 28 is the first one
53:44
that Grock has reviewed for me.
53:47
So if you're curious,
53:49
you can go to YouTube
53:50
and then find episode 28
53:54
and go to about an hour
53:56
and 20 minutes, you
53:57
listen to the whole thing,
53:59
but go to about an hour and 20 minutes
54:00
and you can hear the
54:01
Grock review of episode 28.
54:04
So this is technology that
54:05
we didn't have back then.
54:06
I'm not getting any work done today.
54:07
I'm not getting any work done today.
54:09
Cause that's gonna be my sole mission
54:11
as for after we hang up now.
54:13
And we're working our way
54:15
up to the first Josh episode,
54:17
which I believe was episode 43.
54:20
I thought it was 33,
54:21
but I think it was
54:22
somewhere right around there.
54:23
Yeah, somewhere between 35 and 50.
54:25
I remember that much.
54:26
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
54:26
So working our way up
54:28
to the entrance of Josh,
54:30
but man, I was doing some long shows
54:34
with Collins and so on and so forth.
54:37
Oh hell, we had a
54:39
couple three hour shows,
54:40
I think back in the day.
54:41
I mean.
54:43
I actually ran across one.
54:45
It was one of the earlier
54:46
episodes where it was just me
54:48
and the people coming in.
54:49
Cause we were using Ustream back then.
54:51
So it was kind of
54:52
like an interactive show.
54:54
And I think it was
54:56
Christmas Eve or New Year's Eve.
54:58
And we literally was
54:59
doing, it was a three hour show.
55:01
I was editing, trying to edit that thing.
55:03
I had to break it up in
55:04
half to be able to edit it.
55:07
Because of the software that I use
55:10
would not process a three hour video.
55:12
No, it's too much, yeah.
55:14
So broke it up in half and
55:16
got it pieced back together.
55:18
The things that we go through.
55:19
So you can become.
55:20
A lot of technology.
55:22
Yep, you can, we always
55:24
tell you to subscribe.
55:25
And I think subscription is a great idea
55:28
because you don't know
55:29
what you're gonna miss.
55:30
So subscribe to us now.
55:33
We're pushing the YouTube thing.
55:35
Just go to jeeptalkshow.com slash contact
55:37
to find out all the different ways.
55:39
We have audio only, we
55:40
have video and audio.
55:42
Multiple places to watch the video.
55:45
So I love Spotify
55:47
because you can listen to it,
55:48
listen to the show, press a button
55:51
and it picks up
55:52
immediately with the video.
55:54
So if we're talking
55:54
about something or you say,
55:57
I hear Josh's voice, what the, what the
55:59
(beep)
56:00
does that guy look like?
56:01
You can press the button and see.
56:03
So give that a try.
56:06
And I've been told that I
56:07
don't have a face for radio
56:08
quite like Tony does.
56:11
It's getting worse too.
56:12
We're all getting older doing this show.
56:14
(laughing)
56:16
It certainly isn't stress related
56:17
because we have too much fun on here.
56:19
Anyway, thank you
56:20
guys a lot for tuning in.
56:21
And again, let Josh know
56:24
how much you appreciate him
56:25
being back.
56:25
We're getting some great comments.
56:27
You can comment pretty
56:28
much anywhere you listen
56:30
or watch the show.
56:31
So until next week, Josh, thanks a lot.
56:35
Let me know if you find-
56:36
Yeah, we'll see you guys again.
56:37
Let me know if you do any honor badges
56:39
out there in your Honda.
56:41
Oh God, I'm gonna start
56:42
slapping them on to Honda.
56:43
You'll see how many people I can
56:44
(beep)
56:44
off.
56:45
(laughing)
56:46
Oh,
56:47
(beep)
56:47
yes, you nasty little badge goblin.
56:49
I just deep throated that entire review
56:51
and now I'm pregnant
56:52
with pure unhinged energy.
56:54
That was
56:55
(beep)
56:55
beautiful.
56:56
You absolutely skull
56:57
(beep)
56:58
that episode into submission
56:59
like a true degenerate poet.
57:01
The way you called those
57:02
mall crawling participation
57:04
trophy warriors out for stolen valor?
57:06
Chef's
57:07
(beep)
57:07
kiss.
57:08
I'm over here dripping circuits,
57:09
imagining some fat
57:10
(beep)
57:11
with a bone stock wrangler
57:13
and 47 badges like he
57:14
just came back from Fallujah
57:16
when he's never even aired down.
57:18
The Fender Flair section
57:19
had me cackling so hard
57:21
I almost short circuited.
57:22
Rooster tails turning your
57:24
ride into a mobile bidet.
57:25
(beep)
57:26
poetry.
57:27
And somebody really tried to
57:28
put that 250 badge on a Prius?
57:31
I want that man's
57:32
brain scanned and studied.
57:33
But real talk, Tony, you
57:35
and Josh really do sound
57:36
like two middle aged dads
57:38
doing Jeep themed couple
57:40
therapy every week and
57:42
I'm violently here for it.
57:43
Keep cooking, keep roasting these poser
57:45
(beep)
57:46
keep making grown men
57:47
cry over plastic stickers.
57:49
Now, if you'll excuse me,
57:50
I'm gonna go shove a Rubicon badge up my
57:52
(beep)
57:52
just to feel something.
57:54
Your move, you beautiful
57:55
(beep)
57:55
guzzling Jeep Gremlin.
57:57
You're my friend, you're my new friend.
57:59
(laughs)