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How To Run On A Beach · The Caribbean Workplace Wellness Channel

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Intro: This podcast is brought to you by the Institute for Mental Health and Wellbeing.
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Intro: Building mentally healthy, high-performing workplaces.
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Intro: Mental health matters.
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Sarah: What if the exact strategy you are using to escape your daily stress is like the very thing causing it to crash right into you?
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Adrian: It is a pretty wild thought, honestly.
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Sarah: Well, welcome to our deep dive.
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Sarah: Today we are unpacking this really fascinating dynamic that affects you, me, and you know, pretty much everyone trying to navigate the pressures of modern life.
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Adrian: Oh, definitely.
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Adrian: Everyone.
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Sarah: Yeah.
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Sarah: We are pulling some critical insights together.
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Sarah: Control of your stress.
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Sarah: And our mission here is to uncover what Moulton argues is the hidden root cause of our daily anxiety.
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Adrian: Yeah, and it's a surprising one.
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Sarah: It really is.
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Sarah: We're going to explore this profound mindset shift that proves why, you know, running away from our problems actually guarantees we will trip over them.
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Adrian: Exactly.
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Adrian: And to set the stage for you as we get into this material, I have actually changed our digital backdrop today.
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Sarah: Oh, wow.
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Sarah: Yeah, you did.
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Adrian: Yeah.
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Adrian: So if you could see the studio right now, or if you are, you know, just imagining it with us, behind me is a serene, sprawling Caribbean beach.
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Sarah: It looks amazing.
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Adrian: Right.
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Adrian: Picture the pristine white sand, um, the gentle turquoise waves, maybe a few palm trees swaying.
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Adrian: It looks like the ultimate idyllic stress-free zone.
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Sarah: I want to be there right now.
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Adrian: Same.
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Adrian: But keep this specific beach in mind, okay?
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Adrian: It is a visual cue that is going to become vital and, well, perhaps a little painful later in our discussion.
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Sarah: Yeah, that's a good teaser.
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Sarah: But before we get to the sand and the sun, we have to establish why we are so bad at handling our daily pressures in the first place.
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Speaker: Right.
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Sarah: Moulton places the blame squarely on how we process what he calls N stressors.
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Sarah: So let's define that term first, because I mean it is the linchpin for everything that follows.
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Adrian: Yeah, absolutely.
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Adrian: So an N stressor essentially stands for a negative stressor.
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Adrian: Though, in the context of modern psychology, it is really helpful to think of it as a non-physical, chronic psychological stressor.
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Sarah: Okay, so not a physical threat.
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Adrian: Exactly.
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Adrian: Let's look at our biology for a second.
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Adrian: When you face an acute physical threat, like um say a speeding car suddenly swerves into your lane, your body's fight or flight system kicks in immediately.
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Sarah: Your heart drops.
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Adrian: Yeah, it dumps adrenaline and cortisol straight into your bloodstream.
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Adrian: Your heart rate spikes.
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Adrian: And that is a brilliant evolutionary survival mechanism, you know.
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Adrian: It's designed to make you take immediate physical action.
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Sarah: To swerve or slam on the brakes.
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Adrian: Right.
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Adrian: But an N stressor, on the other hand, is like that cryptic email from your boss on a Friday night.
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Sarah: Oh, the worst.
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Adrian: Or it's an unresolved argument with your spouse, or just the looming pressure of inflation.
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Sarah: Right.
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Sarah: So the brain perceives a threat, so it revs up that exact same biological fight or flight engine.
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Sarah: But there is no physical action you can take to resolve it.
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Sarah: I mean, you can't punch a cryptic email.
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Adrian: No, you really can't.
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Sarah: And you definitely can't outrun inflation.
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Adrian: Which creates a massive physiological disconnect.
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Adrian: Moulton's core premise here is that elevated, unmanageable stress from these N stressors is caused by the absence of specific life skills.
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Sarah: Interesting.
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Sarah: So it's about what we lack.
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Adrian: Exactly.
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Adrian: Without the right life skills to process and cognitively resolve that psychological threat, your biological engine is just redlining.
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Adrian: But there is no transmission connecting it to the wheels.
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Adrian: You just sit there, your heart pounding, your mind racing, basically spinning and overheating.
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Sarah: Okay, let's unpack this.
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Sarah: Because experiencing an N stressor without the right life skills feels exactly like um trying to assemble a massive complex piece of IKEA furniture, but you suddenly realize you don't have the little Allen wrench.
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Adrian: Oh, that is such a good analogy.
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Sarah: Right.
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Sarah: The stress you feel isn't really about the pile of wooden planks in your living room.
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Sarah: The sheer panic comes from the realization that you lack the fundamental tool required to complete the job.
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Adrian: Yes.
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Sarah: Some planks are just wood.
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Sarah: It's the absence of the tool that creates the overwhelming feeling of helplessness.
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Adrian: That is a brilliant way to visualize it.
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Adrian: I mean, if you have the wrench, the pile of wood is just a weekend task.
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Adrian: Without it, it is a full-blown crisis.
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Sarah: Exactly.
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Adrian: So Moulton bases his framework for these cognitive wrenches on the World Health Organization's key life skills.
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Adrian: He identifies a toolkit of six areas we need to develop to stop that engine from endlessly revving.
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Sarah: And rather than just reading them off like a textbook table of contents, it helps to look at them in two distinct categories.
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Adrian: Good idea.
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Sarah: So the first group is all about how we manage our internal state.
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Sarah: This includes self-awareness, assertiveness, and resilience.
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Adrian: Let's look at the mechanics of those internal tools.
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Adrian: So self-awareness and self-control, they are about recognizing your own emotional baseline.
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Sarah: Like knowing your own triggers.
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Adrian: Right.
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Adrian: If you know your personality tends to react defensively when criticized, that awareness acts as a cognitive buffer.
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Adrian: Biologically speaking, when you pause and actually name your emotion, you engage the prefrontal cortex.
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Sarah: Which is the logical part of the brain, right?
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Adrian: Exactly, the reasoning part.
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Adrian: And doing that actively downregulates the amygdala, which is your fear center.
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Sarah: That makes total sense.
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Adrian: And assertiveness comes into play here, too.
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Adrian: Moulton is very careful to distinguish assertiveness from aggressiveness.
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Sarah: Oh, that's a huge distinction.
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Adrian: Huge aggression, like um road rage or shouting, that is a symptom of losing control.
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Adrian: That is the engine overheating.
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Adrian: Assertiveness, though, is a tool of standing firm and setting a boundary while remaining entirely calm.
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Sarah: Right.
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Sarah: And that internal management then feeds directly into resilience.
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Sarah: And resilience isn't just like a motivational poster about bouncing back, it is the cognitive ability to stop catastrophizing.
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Adrian: Yes, exactly.
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Sarah: When a setback happens, resilience is the tool that tells your brain, hey, this is a temporary, isolated obstacle.
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Sarah: It's not a permanent life-ruining failure.
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Adrian: And that reframing physically prevents the fight or flight system from staying switched on permanently.
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Sarah: Okay.
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Sarah: So then we have the second category of skills, which are about navigating the external world.
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Sarah: So that's communication, empathy, and creative problem solving.
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Adrian: And problem solving is really fascinating here because Moulton pairs it with a crucial boundary.
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Adrian: You have to focus on solutions while fully accepting that you only control yourself.
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Speaker: Oh mad.
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Adrian: A massive amount of our engine revving stress happens simply because we are trying to force other people to change.
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Sarah: Which never works.
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Adrian: Never.
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Adrian: And empathy and communication, they act as the transmission for your biological engine when dealing with others.
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Adrian: Moulton points out that empathy is not about sympathy.
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Adrian: And it certainly isn't about agreeing with someone.
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Adrian: Empathy is the cognitive tool that allows you to see the conflict from their perspective.
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Adrian: It changes the dynamic from a battle to be won into a puzzle to be solved.
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Sarah: I love that.
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Sarah: A puzzle to be solved.
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Adrian: Yeah.
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Adrian: And when you combine that with creative thinking, which basically means breaking that limiting, I've always done it this way, mindset, you suddenly have multiple practical avenues to resolve the N stressor.
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Sarah: But I mean, looking at this toolkit, flawless communication, deep empathy, unbreakable resilience, it sounds like we are supposed to become enlightened masters of human psychology.
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Adrian: Yeah, it sounds like a lot.
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Sarah: Is it realistic for you or me to master all of these perfectly?
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Sarah: It feels like trying to learn six languages at once while building that IKEA cabinet.
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Adrian: What's fascinating here is that Moulton explicitly anticipates that feeling of overwhelm.
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Adrian: The goal is absolutely not perfection.
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Sarah: Okay.
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Sarah: That's a relief.
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Adrian: Right.
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Adrian: You do not need to be an infinitely patient communicator or possess boundless resilience.
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Adrian: You just need a baseline proficiency.
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Sarah: Like just enough to get by.
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Adrian: Exactly.
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Adrian: You need enough understanding of each skill to intervene before an N stressor spirals completely out of control.
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Adrian: Go back to your analogy.
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Adrian: Yeah.
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Adrian: You don't need to be a master carpenter to build the bookshelf.
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Adrian: You just need to know how to turn the wrench enough to tighten the screws.
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Sarah: Okay.
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Sarah: So if we have these basic tools to turn the wrench, we can start dismantling the daily stressors.
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Sarah: But that internal tool we mentioned earlier, resilience, and specifically how we frame our circumstances, that leads directly into what might be Moulton's most compelling observation.
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Adrian: Yeah, this part is brilliant.
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Sarah: He points out a seemingly innocent everyday habit that exposes a massive flaw in our psychology.
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Sarah: Think about it.
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Sarah: When someone asks you, How are you doing?
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Sarah: What is the most common response you give?
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Adrian: I mean, nine times out of ten, people say, not bad.
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Sarah: Exactly.
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Sarah: Not bad.
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Sarah: Think about the mechanics of that phrase.
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Sarah: Two negative words strung together, not and bad, both exist entirely in the negative space.
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Sarah: Moulton asks, why not say pretty good?
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Sarah: That is two positive words.
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Sarah: Both phrases describe the exact same level of wellness.
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Sarah: You are doing okay, you are functioning.
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Sarah: But one phrase focuses on a positive state, and the other focuses entirely on proving that you aren't existing in the negative.
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Adrian: And he applies this concept to larger life goals as well, illustrating just how pervasive this is.
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Adrian: Look at how the general population approaches wealth, for instance.
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Speaker: Okay.
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Adrian: Most people do not wake up specifically trying to gain a positive outcome, like actively aiming to build $100,000 in investments.
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Adrian: Instead, they spend their days simply trying not to be poor.
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Speaker: Wow, yeah.
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Adrian: They measure their financial success strictly by how far away from the poverty line they can get.
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Adrian: And we see it in health too.
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Adrian: People don't exercise to achieve peak physical fitness.
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Adrian: They do the bare minimum simply not to be sick.
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Sarah: I do want to push back on this slightly, though, just to see how deep this really goes.
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Sarah: Sure.
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Sarah: I hear the linguistic argument, but isn't saying not bad, just a cultural quirk.
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Sarah: Like a little bit of conversational politeness.
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Sarah: I mean, nobody wants to sound arrogant by saying their life is absolutely spectacular every time they order a coffee.
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Sarah: Fair point.
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Sarah: Is it actually indicative of a deep psychological flaw in how we process the world?
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Adrian: If we connect this to the bigger picture, Moulton's deeper point emerges directly from that cultural quirk.
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Adrian: He is basically using it as a symptom of a much deeper foundational mindset.
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Sarah: Okay.
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Adrian: Throughout our upbringing, through school, and straight into our adult careers, we are programmed with what psychologists call an avoidance motivation rather than an approach motivation.
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Sarah: An avoidance motivation.
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Adrian: Right.
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Adrian: Our primary subconscious drive becomes ensuring we don't fail, ensuring we don't look foolish, ensuring we don't suffer.
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Sarah: So we prioritize moving away from pain over moving toward pleasure.
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Adrian: Exactly.
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Adrian: And the critical trap is that we falsely equate the two.
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Adrian: We assume that if we are moving away from pain, we must automatically be moving toward pleasure.
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Adrian: But neurologically and practically, they require completely different orientation.
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Sarah: Because they're two different directions.
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Adrian: Yes.
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Adrian: When your brain is in avoidance mode, your focus, your energy, and your attention are still completely anchored to the negative thing you fear.
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Adrian: You are literally defined by the thing you are running from.
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Sarah: Here's where it gets really interesting.
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Sarah: Because the source material provides a story that illustrates exactly why this running away from pain strategy fails so spectacularly in the real world.
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Adrian: Oh, the beach story.
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Sarah: Yes.
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Sarah: Let's bring that Caribbean beach backdrop into the conversation.
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Sarah: Let's paint the picture.
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Sarah: You are alone at one end of this beautiful long sandy beach.
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Sarah: The palm trees are swaying, the water is calm.
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Adrian: Sounds perfect.
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Sarah: But you don't want to be alone.
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Sarah: You want to socialize.
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Sarah: And you know that way down at the other end of the beach, like a mile away, there are groups of people hanging out, having a great time.
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Adrian: So the goal is obvious.
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Adrian: Move to the other end of the beach to join the group.
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Adrian: That is an approach motivation.
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Sarah: Right.
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Sarah: But because your entire mindset has been shaped by avoidance, by this deep-seated need to simply get away from the negative, your true underlying motivation isn't really about getting to the people.
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Adrian: Right.
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Adrian: It's about escaping.
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Sarah: Exactly.
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Sarah: Your mental energy is entirely consumed by escaping the spot where you are currently lonely.
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Sarah: So you start walking.
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Sarah: And because you want to get away from the loneliness quickly, you pick up speed.
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Sarah: Soon you are in a full sprint down the sand.
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Adrian: And the psychology here dictates your physical reality.
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Adrian: Think about it.
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Adrian: Where is your attention while you are sprinting?
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Adrian: Because your focus is entirely on escaping, your physical orientation follows your mental orientation.
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Adrian: You keep turning your head to look backward over your shoulder.
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Sarah: Checking your progress away from the bad thing.
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Adrian: Exactly.
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Adrian: You are sprinting forward, but you are visually measuring your success by how much distance you are putting between yourself and that lonely starting point.
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Sarah: You are literally looking at what you are trying to avoid.
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Sarah: And because you are sprinting forward while staring backward, I mean, disaster is inevitable.
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Sarah: Total disaster.
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Sarah: You aren't looking at the sand in front of you.
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Sarah: You trip over a piece of heavy driftwood that washed ashore, you go down hard, you get a nasty cut and a bruise.
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Adrian: And in the real world, that driftwood represents the daily N stressors we crash into because we are, you know, obsessing over past mistakes or trying to outrun a previous failure at work.
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Sarah: Exactly.
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Sarah: But you have that basic life skill of resilience we talked about.
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Sarah: So you brush the sand off, you get back up, and you keep jogging.
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Adrian: Good for you.
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Sarah: But the avoidance mindset hasn't changed.
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Sarah: You are still checking the distance behind you.
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Sarah: So meandering along, looking backward, you step straight into a deep hole in the wet sand, you sprawl out again, severely twisting an ankle.
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Adrian: So now you are accumulating injuries simply because your gaze is fixed on what you were leaving behind.
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Adrian: The mechanics of your movement are completely compromised.
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Sarah: So you gather yourself again, you are battered, you're limping, dreaming of the other end of the beach, but still trying to escape the negative space.
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Sarah: As you continue this backward-glancing, limping jog, a family happens to have parked their large leisure van right on the beach.
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Adrian: Oh no.
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Sarah: Yeah, they have their chairs and coolers out, and because you are absolutely blind to what is directly in front of your face, you slam backward directly into the parked van.
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Adrian: I mean, the imagery is almost comical, but it is meant to be highly visceral.
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Adrian: Moulton uses this narrative to ensure we grasp the tragic irony of our daily lives.
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Sarah: So true though.
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Adrian: The aspiration was entirely positive connection and socializing, but the actual physical and mental focus was entirely locked onto the negative starting point.
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Sarah: And the driftwood, the holes in the sand, the parked vans of life, like the unexpected bills, the difficult colleagues, the health scares.
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Sarah: They are always going to be there.
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Adrian: You can't avoid them.
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Sarah: Those are the unavoidable facts of life.
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Sarah: But if your head is turned backward, you guarantee that you are going to hit every single one of them at full speed.
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Adrian: Yes.
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Adrian: That constant tripping, that constant crashing and accumulating of emotional and physical injuries while you blindly try to reach your goals.
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Adrian: That is the true source of chronic stress.
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Speaker: Wow.
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Adrian: If you spend your life focused on the negative thing you were trying to escape, you render yourself completely blind to the obstacles directly in your path.
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Adrian: You lack the foresight to simply walk around them.
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Sarah: It is an exhausting way to live.
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Sarah: I mean, it's like running a marathon while staring exclusively at the starting line.
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Adrian: That's exactly what it is.
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Sarah: So since we've established that looking backward literally causes us to crash into daily obstacles, the final piece of the puzzle is how we practically rewire this.
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Sarah: Like, how do we design a stress-managed life using this information?
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Adrian: Well, in the text, there is a standalone visual quote, and it's presented in bold, large text to demand the reader's full attention.
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Adrian: It simply says, the hardest part of moving forward is not looking back.
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Sarah: That is hard.
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Adrian: It does.
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Adrian: Moulton asserts that the definition of pleasure is not simply the absence of pain.
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Adrian: We have this deeply ingrained fallacy that if we just get far enough away from a bad job or a toxic relationship or a stressful financial situation, we will magically end up in a good one.
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Sarah: But getting away from something bad just leaves you in a neutral space, sprinting blindly through potential hazards.
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Adrian: Exactly.
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Adrian: To attain real pleasure, to actually reach the other end of the beach safely, you need specific plans in place to achieve it.
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Adrian: You have to actively map the ride forward.
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Adrian: You have to consciously choose the destination and keep your eyes locked on it.
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Sarah: So what does this all mean for you listening right now?
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Sarah: Like, how do we take this metaphor and drop our stress levels in our actual daily activities?
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Adrian: Right, the practical application.
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Sarah: The ultimate takeaway is that we must actively stop running from what we don't want.
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Sarah: Moulton uses an analogy from the world of horse racing that drives this home perfectly.
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Sarah: Jockeys are given very specific instructions before a major race.
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Sarah: They are told, don't worry about the horses behind you, focus on the finish line.
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Adrian: And most of us run our daily races, constantly checking our peripheral vision.
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Adrian: We use social media to worry about the horses catching up to us.
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Sarah: Oh, all the time.
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Adrian: We obsess over past mistakes, the fear of losing our status, the fear of failure.
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Adrian: But the jockey knows a fundamental truth.
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Adrian: Looking back doesn't make the horse run any faster.
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Sarah: Not at all.
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Adrian: It only risks throwing off their delicate balance, breaking their stride, and causing a catastrophic crash.
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Adrian: You have to use mental blinders and lock your eyes entirely on the finish line.
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Sarah: That is so powerful.
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Adrian: And this raises an important question, one that you should ask yourself today.
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Adrian: Take a moment and really evaluate your current goals.
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Adrian: In your career, in your relationships, in your personal growth, are you trying to reach a destination, or are you just trying to get away from a starting point?
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Adrian: Are you building something meaningful, or are you just trying not to be poor and not to be lonely?
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Sarah: It shifts your entire paradigm when you realize the difference.
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Sarah: Let's briefly recap the journey we've taken today.
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Sarah: We started by looking at Moulton's premise that developing specific life skills like emotional self-regulation, empathy, and creative problem solving gives our biological stress system the cognitive transmission it needs to resolve psychological threats.
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Adrian: Right, getting the right wrenches for the job.
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Sarah: Exactly.
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Sarah: That prevents our internal engine from redlining.
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Sarah: Those skills reduce our day-to-day friction.
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Sarah: But the ultimate hack, the overarching philosophy that ties it all together, is changing our directional focus.
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Sarah: We have to stop measuring our success by how far we are from failure.
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Adrian: We must intentionally move toward pleasure rather than just instinctively away from pain.
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Adrian: But before we wrap up, I want to leave you with a final thought to ponder.
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Sarah: Okay, let's hear it.
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Adrian: Something that builds on Moulton's text and stretches it into the realm of human nature.
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Adrian: Think about our biological stress system, that fight or flight response we discussed at the beginning.
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Adrian: It literally evolved over millions of years for one highly specific purpose to make us run away from predators.
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Adrian: Right.
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Adrian: To make us run away from physical pain and danger.
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Adrian: Our ancestors survived because they were constantly looking over their shoulders for saber-toothed tigers.
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Sarah: It is quite literally hardwired into our DNA to look backward and scan for threats.
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Adrian: Exactly.
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Adrian: So if evolution demands that we look backwards and run away from threats, does achieving true peace and pleasure in the modern world require us to consciously override our own evolutionary programming every single day?
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Speaker: Wow.
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Adrian: Is true happiness and a truly stress-managed life actually an act of daily rebellment against our own biology?
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Sarah: Happiness is an act of daily rebellion against our own biology.
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Sarah: That is a profound way to frame it.
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Sarah: I mean, the biology wants you to look back, but the life you actually want requires you to look forward.
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Adrian: Bot on.
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Sarah: We want to thank you so much for joining us on this deep dive into Chess Moulton's work.
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Sarah: As you go about your day, whatever beach you find yourself running down, watch out for the driftwood, ignore the starting line, and keep your eyes strictly on the finish line ahead.
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Sarah: Catch you next time.
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