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Telepathy, Autism & Consciousness: A Neuroscientist Investigates | Dr. Marjorie Woollacott · Always Connected

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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome back for another episode of Always Connected.
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Sometimes I go live and interact with the audience. Sometimes
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I bring in very special guests, and that's what I'm
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doing today. My guest has been on the show before. Dr.
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Marjorie Wolcott is a neuroscientist and author and consciousness researcher,
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and she is now involved in investigating those with autism
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after the news broke on the famous show, The Telepathy Tapes,
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that these children are communicating with each other telepathically. Dr.
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Wolcott and I are going to dive into this because
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she is all over it. Welcome to the show, Marjorie Wolcott.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I am so excited, Suzanne.
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Speaker 1: Yes. Me too, because we were just talking offline and
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I said, how much a part of your life is this?
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Because I didn't know anybody was really diving into it.
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And you said what?
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Speaker 2: I said, first of all, what happened to me, which was, Actually,
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a real surprise in the beginning is that I got
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a call from my friend Diane Hennessy, who is a
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neuropsychiatrist who had been working with Kai Dickens on these
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children and doing these podcasts, the telepathy tapes. And she
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called me to say, Marjorie, you're a credible neuroscientist, and
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we would like to interview you on the show to
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really say, you know, what do you think about this research?
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I didn't know a thing about telepathy and autism when
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that happened. And the humor was that what Kai said
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to me then, she said, Marjorie, we're going to be
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interviewing you on the afternoon of this particular day. Would
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you be sure that you watch the first three episodes
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of the telepathy tapes? And you probably don't. Nobody asks
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you to listen to all their podcasts before you're interviewed.
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And so I first ignored it, but it was coming up.
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And so that morning, I got up and I listened
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to the start of episode one and I couldn't stop.
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It was so compelling. And so then I finished episode
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three and then we get on and I'm just overly enthusiastic,
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probably as a neuroscientist saying, this is absolutely amazing. And
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so the bottom line is that after I was interviewed,
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I went to the web to look for Diane Hennessey's
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papers on this topic. And I couldn't find any in
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like these high tier peer reviewed journals because she's a
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neuropsychiatrist and she's put them in places like, I think
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one is called the Mind Field, sort of a parapsychology
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association journal, something like that. But they need to be
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out there in what I would call a PubMed reference
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journal that the National Institutes of Health would actually have
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on their database. And she didn't have those. So I
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said to Diane, hey, can I help you get this published?
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Because I'm so excited. And she was happy to do that.
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At the same time, Marina Weiler, who's at the University
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of Virginia in the Department of Perceptual Studies, where they're
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doing near-death research and things of that sort, had said
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the same thing to Diane. And so we realized we
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would be a great team, because she's also a neuroscientist,
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to really help Diane do this and not just get
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the previous work published, but really get new research out
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there showing the credibility of the telepathy in these kids.
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So that's where I started. And I'll just add a
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little bit more because what was amazing to me is
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that after we began doing this, and we have a
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first paper that's just getting submitted now to a high-tier journal,
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and we're hoping it'll get accepted soon. But what happened
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then is that as we would give talks at one
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place or another, I would just share on a podcast,
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one podcast or another, what we were doing, I found
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that people that were funders actually wanted to help us
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show that this was real. And because we're both credible neuroscientists,
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They have been very happy to support the research. And
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so I think we will have like about three years
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of funding to do fascinating new things to really show
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that hopefully to the materialists that this is real and
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they don't have to be skeptical. If they're just curious,
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they will be fascinated.
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Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh. So we're going to dive into what
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you're learning from these. We call them autistic children, but
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many of them are adults. So we'll talk about that.
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But I have to tell you, Marjorie, when I listened
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to the first three episodes, because when it came out,
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people that follow my work started emailing me left and
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right saying, have you listened to the telepathy tape? So
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when I did, my response was, well, of course, this
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is what's going on. And why is anybody surprised about telepathy?
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This is what happens in mediumship. So to me, I
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could just see, and I have not really bounced this
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off any credible neuroscientists yet, that they have a different
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filter in their nervous system that allows them access to
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this field of consciousness that a medium taps into, that
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a psychic taps into. It's all right here. And they're
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not handicapped in the way we think they are. So
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we'll talk about that. But I am so grateful that
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this is getting the credible attention it deserves. We're about
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to dive into that. But I feel that we should
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give our audience a definition of what a materialist scientist
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believes and what you have come to learn through your research.
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Speaker 2: Right. And saying that, of course, that I was a
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materialist neuroscientist when I started my work at the University
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of Oregon. And what that meant was that I believed,
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like all the other neuroscientists that were in my community,
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that the only way that we can receive information from
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the universe is through the five senses. So if you
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don't see it or hear it or taste it or
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feel it or smell it, whatever, then you're not going
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to be able to know it's there. And that's just the,
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I want to call it dogma because it really is
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dogma that we grew up with in our first neuroscience
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courses and then all the way through graduate school. And
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the issue is that once you have been told that
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and people have said, well, I'm sorry, there's no evidence
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for anything beyond that because they say, for example, we
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know that if you have a stroke and one part
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of your brain is destroyed, then maybe you can't see
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anymore because that was a visual part of the brain.
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They say, clearly the brain is creating our awareness. It's
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so obvious, they say. Well, we know that's not true,
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but So that's where I was. And so what I
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would say is the average friend of mine now that's
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still a materialist neuroscientist that says it's only the five
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senses says there's no way that anybody should be able
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to communicate or receive any information that is not through
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the five senses. And of course, as you know, with
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all of the work on mediumship, that's not the case.
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But again, they put aside the research that isn't supported
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by their model. We know that too. But here, what
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we're trying to do, because I'll tell you about all
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their abilities and beyond even what I think Kai Dickens
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has been mentioning too, as we're getting more deeply into it.
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They have just amazing abilities that you wouldn't notice are
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there in the normal school system. And maybe I'll just
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take a step back and say, so we talked about
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the fact that often people call them children, but the
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point is that The people that I'm dealing with are
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often 16, 17, up to maybe 30.
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Speaker 1: Years of age.
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Speaker 2: And they are basically individuals that have had that ability
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much of their life, if not all of their life.
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And I should mention that when I asked one of
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the young people, he's Casey and he's 17 years old.
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How long have you known you have this ability? And
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he typed into his letter board, and we'll get that
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because that's how they communicate. Casey has always had this
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God-given gift. And a number of them say that. They
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say it in a third person because it's like literally
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they're not identified with this body-mind complex. And so they
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use their first name very often instead of saying I.
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And so that's one of the things you find out
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about them, that this has been their way of knowing
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all along. And, okay, I'm going to keep talking. You
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can stop me. But one of the other amazing things
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for me was that I was about to give a
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talk last Sunday about on neuroscience and near-death experiences and
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meditation and psilocybin, saying, okay, those filters that we know
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are in the brain that keep us from a wider
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awareness come way down when you're meditating. Or in a
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near-death experience, they come way off. And I know, in fact,
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there's research on mediumship that it goes way down too.
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So here's the issue. It's like, I never had thought,
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because we weren't talking about it with our research on
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these young people, is that Everybody knows, even in the
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clinical community, that their filters on their brain are terrible
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because they are hypersensitive to light, to hearing. It's like
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they want to cover their ears or close their eyes
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because they don't have the filters to actually filter out
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light that's too bright or hearing or touch. They don't
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like to be touched very often. And suddenly it dawned
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on me, those filters that are not working for the
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senses are are probably also not working to keep your
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own narrative always going and not listening to the narrative
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of the entire universe. So it's like, oh my goodness,
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probably it is a filter problem related to the brain
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they have. We call it a neurodivergent brain. And so
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one of the things that Marina and I are going
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to try to do is actually see if we can
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get those that are able to do it into an MRI,
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magnetic resonance imaging scanner, just for their background information to see,
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What do their filters look like? And do they have
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this quieter default mode network that's our mind wandering narrative
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network compared to normal? And is that perhaps nicely correlated
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with the emergence of their telepathic and other amazing abilities
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beyond just telepathy?
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Speaker 1: It must be challenging to not have assumptions as you
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go in because I think, well, yeah.
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Speaker 2: But these issues, you know, what I'm also realizing is
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as we do the research, I have to imagine talking
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to one of my materialist friends that wants very, very
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detailed data. So we'll see.
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Speaker 1: What is the term for somebody the opposite of a materialist?
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It's not spiritualist, right?
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Speaker 2: You know, I simply call them a person that believes
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that consciousness is fundamental. There is no easy term. Some
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people call it idealism. That's not the easiest term. So
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basically consciousness is primary or fundamental.
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Speaker 1: And the key for those who are usually watching my podcast,
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watching or listening, is that a materialist believes, correct me
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if I'm wrong, that when the brain dies, that's it.
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Consciousness dies because they believe consciousness is created by the brain.
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And when you tune in... to this greater reality on
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a daily basis, you just come to realize that's not
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the way it is.
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Speaker 2: I want to add one more thing because I interact
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a certain amount now with Bernardo Kastrup and some of
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the people who listen here might know him. He is
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a person that has in fact put out there, published
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his own version of what he would call idealism, meaning
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consciousness is fundamental, and he calls it analytic idealism. And
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unfortunately for me, we disagree on one point, and that
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is that he believes that in this body that clearly
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we can see beyond the five senses, we can do
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all of these different things. But he believes once that
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brain dies, you just go into infinite awareness and infinite potentiality.
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It's just like a black and white thing of, oh,
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brain dead, body dead. Then there's no longer a personality left.
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And I'm saying, wait a minute, there's so much research
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with after death communication and things like that. And yet he's,
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he's trying to talk to materialists and he feels, I
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think that that's the hardest thing to actually for him
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to quote unquote prove. And unless he's willing to accept
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a lot of the NDEs and the after death communication.
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And so I'm hoping that one day I will convince
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him with more data that in fact, there's a lot
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of steps beyond just the brain dying before we go
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into infinite nothingness.
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Speaker 1: Yes. And tell that to the, thousands of people who
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aren't in a body who have actually conversed with me
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from across the veil. They have not dissolved into infinite consciousness.
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Our loved ones are still very much active and actively
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participating in our lives here, which is so comforting. So
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let's get back to you and your research now that
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you're funded. And I'm excited because I've read some of
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your very, uh, well-written, well-researched papers, your professional papers that
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you've shared with me, for example, when you were helping
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me understand the default mode network. And you know how
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to put a good paper together. So this is exciting
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for telepathy, what's going to come of your work. How
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did you begin? Now that you have funding, you can
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go full speed ahead. Where do you start?
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the first thing we wanted to do
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was simply to really look ourselves in a more carefully
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controlled environment. Than what was done before about the abilities
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of these children. And that is because right now what
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we have are experiments that were done both by Kai
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Dickens and Diane Hennessey and Diane Hennessey by herself in
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children's podcasts. Yeah, for the podcast that people have probably
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seen where they were in somebody's homes. And a scientist
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looking at that that was a materialist would say, you
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haven't controlled well enough. You can't really say that there
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wasn't some mirror somewhere on the wall that allowed the
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child to see what was being shown to the mother
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behind their back. All of these sorts of things. Or
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maybe they actually could hear somebody saying something. Or maybe
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a cameraman was not at the right angle. So they
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have all these reasons that it wasn't well enough controlled,
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even though When you look at it yourself, you go,
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come on, this is absolutely real. So we said, OK,
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we want to replicate that work. And we're doing that
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with Diane and others. And we're trying to do it
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within a therapist's office. And we're trying to do things
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where we make sure that there's no what they would
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call leakage of information. So we'll see exactly what happens
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with that. That's basically started. The individuals are being trained
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with a therapist, and Marina will be going there in
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a few weeks to this particular therapist's office and bringing
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in the individuals, and we'll see what happens. I mean,
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I think we're excited about it. And what I'm also
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realizing is that what I simply want to do as
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a baseline in this research is simply to show that
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in a well-controlled condition, there is telepathy. And if we
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can show that to my materialist friends, then we'll go
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on beyond that. So I'm pragmatic. It's like, let's not
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try to, you know, do cartwheels and things like that. No,
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we're going to do that basic thing and have those
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first papers. So that's the start in like the first
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year or so. Then we'll be going ahead and doing
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other things. I mean, hopefully then with this new grant
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that it looks like we're getting, I'm from another funder.
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We will see if we can find, in this case,
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a select group of these individuals that what we would
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call they are regulated in high sensory environments, like thinking
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about an MRI machine. If any of you people that
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have been listening in know, I mean, it's noisy. There's
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all this noise going on. You could be claustrophobic if
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that sort of person. So we have a training MRI
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that they can get trained in. So that is going
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to be an interesting question. It's like, can we find
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enough individuals that with training and because they are more
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regulated now, because as they get older, they do tend
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to get more regulated, meaning that they aren't so bothered
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by loud sounds. And so, in fact, I'll just give
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you one example because one of the individuals that we're
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hoping to use is one I'll tell you a little
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bit about more later on. And when he was young,
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he really couldn't stand loud sounds at all. And so
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his parents never took him to Disney World when they
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took the other kids in the family to Disney World.
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And for years that happened. And finally, as he began
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to communicate via his letter board, he said, I want
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to go to Disney World. And they were shocked, but
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he could finally communicate. They were making assumptions. And now
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that he had his letter board and could communicate, he
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wanted to go. And he had the best time. It's
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like he was able to like deal with the extra
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sounds and be okay with it. It was, I think,
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harder for him, but he loved it enough that he
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was okay. So I think that's why we're thinking another
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step back. This young person's name is Casey, and he,
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like many of the others that we have talked to,
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want very much to share with the world what their
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abilities are.
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Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
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Speaker 2: And the reason I mention that very strongly is that
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when they first went to school at the age of
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four or five or six, they were thought to be
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basically developmentally disabled. They really couldn't do these things. And
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so they were put in a class that stayed at
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the same level of maybe a six or a seven-year-old,
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like what you would learn in first grade, forever. They
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were never moved on because If somebody can't communicate with
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you as a teacher, you don't know how to know
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their real intelligence. Intelligence tests require you to communicate. So
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I think what Casey said was that when he finally
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was given a letter board and trained in it by
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therapists and then his mother at the age of 15,
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two years ago, his whole world changed. And now it's
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like now that he can communicate, he wants to let
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the world know. So he will do anything he can
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in terms of regulating himself to help people understand for
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all the other kids with autism who can't speak.
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Speaker 1: I feel we should take another step back and just
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I'll ask you to give us a basic definition of telepathy.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good point. So basically, I should
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say that people have been studying telepathy for hundreds of years.
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And way back in the 1800s, they already had beautiful
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experiments done on it. And then more recently, Dean Radin
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and the people at the Institute of Noetic Sciences, IONS,
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have been doing much more research on it. And basically
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what you're simply saying is, can you, without the aid
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of the five senses, actually detect something going on in
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another person's mind, for example? And some ways that Dean
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Radin has done it is that they will put one
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person in one room as the sender and another person
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in the next room as the receiver. And that person
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will try to hold something in their mind and see
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if the receiver can actually see it. And sometimes it
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will be like four different images and their sender is
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given one image to focus on. And then we see
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if the receiver can identify of a group of images
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which one it is. And the interesting thing about that
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is that in the average person, it is actually shown
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to be credible, and it happens about 5% above chance,
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and that is all. So you're accurate only 5% above chance.
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What that means is if you are shown basically four
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different images, you basically are going to get the right one,
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you know, just about 20, no, 30% of the time
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instead of 25% of the time. So that's how they
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judge it. Okay, so that's not much. And most of
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my materialist friends say, well, that's nothing. It doesn't matter
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that it's statistically significant at the POI-00001 level because you
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did so many trials. They don't consider that relevant. So
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here is the issue. So that's, I just want to
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also take a step back. That's telepathy. There's also, of course,
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things like precognition and things of that sort too. And
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remote viewing is another one. So the question is, do
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kids with autism or individuals with autism have those things too?
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But so that's the general definition. And so what we
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are then trying to do is to say, okay, what
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do we need to do to show the best possible
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in these individuals? And now I also want to take
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a step back to say, when did the parents first
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notice that these children did have those abilities? So When
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we talked to the parents, I think, in fact, Casey's
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mom said it was about the time that he started
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using the letterboard because then he could tell her. Oh, sure. Then,
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of course, she remembered, as many other parents remember, oh, yeah,
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when he was younger, I couldn't hide any of his
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favorite foods from him anywhere in the house. He knew
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exactly where I had hidden them. Or a Christmas present.
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He would find where the Christmas presents were, and we
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would pull them out of the closet. So there, they
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finally look back and say, oh, yeah, it was there
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all along. And of course, what I said is that
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the individuals that have autism say, I've always had it.
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The parents just didn't know it. And I also want
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to mention one other thing. We have some parents of
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these individuals with autism that are attorneys or MDs. We
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ask them if the individual has telepathy, and most of
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them say, I don't think so. The individual also doesn't
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share it with the parent. But if you go to
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the therapist that's working with them, then the individual says
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to the therapist, oh, yeah, I am telepathic. But they
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cannot tell. confront their parents with a worldview that the
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parents cannot accept.
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Speaker 1: Oh, that's so interesting and so limiting, isn't it?
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Speaker 2: It's so limiting. And then, I mean, and you realize
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there's that struggle. I mean, this person is taking care
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of me and they are my lifeline. And some of
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the kids, I mean, have actually told their parents early
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on and the parents have been able to accept it
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as they watched it all. I But a number of
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them just don't trust to say anything. And so then
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I remember this one parent, a very sweet woman. She's
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an attorney. And she's going to be the parent of
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one of the children that's going to be in our
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study in later August. And we interviewed her ahead of
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time just to find out, let her know what was
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going to be going on. And so we said, well,
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do you think that your young person is telepathic? And
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she said, I really don't know. And I sort of
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doubt it. And then we began asking her questions like,
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can they find things that you've hidden? Well, of course
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they can do that, but I didn't know that was telepathy.
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So I think that the reason this is so powerful,
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hopefully as a game changer, is that Dean Radins and
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everyone else's studies before him have just showed this tiny
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bit of increase over chance of 5% And not.
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Speaker 1: Practical, really.
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Speaker 2: No, it's not practical. It's a big deal.
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Speaker 1: You can predict a card or something.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. And also, it's higher in creative individuals. So if
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you are a really great musician or artist, well, because
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your filters are turned down more, so you have this
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intuition coming in from beyond, they're a little bit better
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than 30%. So there you have that interesting thing.
22:11
Speaker 1: Oh, wow. Where to go next? I want to go
22:14
back to where you said that Casey... and the others
22:17
don't refer to themselves. They refer to themselves as a
22:19
third person. Have any of them described who or what
22:25
they know themselves to be? What is their I?
22:29
Speaker 2: So that's an interesting point. And I think one reason
22:32
that they say Casey is that they are not identified
22:36
with their mind-body complex. So Casey says this, and I
22:40
know some of the others do too, and that is
22:41
that he's not always in this body. I remember another
22:45
one of the young people that we interacted with said
22:48
that basically at night I'm often not in my body.
22:51
And in the morning I have to take a bath
22:54
and I have to eat breakfast to ground myself back
22:57
in the body.
22:58
Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
22:58
Speaker 2: So literally they're out there and they're very comfortable being
23:02
out there. And I also want to mention that that's
23:06
one of the interesting things about their, what do I
23:09
want to call it, this issue of who am I?
23:13
Am I consciousness? Or am I the mind-body complex like
23:17
I used to think of when I was a materialist scientist?
23:19
I am this body. And so I think that's that
23:22
shift and why they often talk about Casey because they
23:25
know they're much bigger.
23:27
Speaker 1: Much bigger, yes.
23:29
Speaker 2: I just want to mention that it relates partly to
23:31
this whole term that we heard in the telepathy tapes
23:35
and then I heard with my therapist friend who's working
23:37
with us, Maria Welch, they talk about going to the
23:40
hill to communicate. And you probably remember that.
23:43
Speaker 1: I know, and I was waiting to talk about the hill.
23:45
Please tell everybody about that. It's the best.
23:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I mean, so first of all, with that,
23:50
so Maria Welch, who is one of our therapists on
23:53
our team, has been doing this for like 20 years
23:56
with these individuals with non-speaking autism. And she said at
23:59
first when she was working with them, they would tell
24:02
her things about her private life back in her house
24:05
that she shouldn't know. They shouldn't know. And she was thinking,
24:08
how are they doing that? And she was wondering, it's
24:10
just that they have an intuition, an emotional sense of
24:13
what I'm feeling. And then finally, it was so obvious,
24:16
things that absolutely there would be no way they would
24:19
be able to know. She said, you know, what's going on?
24:22
And they laughed and they said, yeah, you know, we
24:24
have to, but we know that. And, and then they
24:27
talked about it more generally with her and they said,
24:30
oh yes. And we interact with each other by going
24:33
onto the hill, this place we call the hill. And
24:36
at first it was like, well, we call it the
24:37
hill because it's a hill of thoughts. That's the place
24:40
we go. But so that was, I think the first
24:42
time I'm aware that somebody was talking about it. I mean,
24:46
she said, you know, maybe, I don't know, five, 10
24:48
years ago, something like that. And the people, these young
24:52
people would say, well, what happens is that we make
24:55
a date sometimes with another person in our speech therapy group.
24:59
And we say, okay, so at two in the afternoon,
25:01
we're going to get together in our own houses and
25:04
we are going to then go on the hill together
25:06
and we're going to talk. And when I asked Casey,
25:08
because he said, oh yes, he goes on the hill
25:10
all the time with people. I said, how do you
25:12
do that? And he says, I have to make my
25:14
mind very still. Sounds like anything you do.
25:18
Speaker 1: This is mediumship. And so when I do a reading
25:21
for someone, I make a date with the client and
25:25
I make a date with their loved ones in spirit.
25:26
We're going to meet. We don't call it the hill.
25:28
We're just going to meet in this sphere of consciousness
25:32
and communicate. It's the same thing. It's not a place.
25:36
It's a wider state. It's an agreed upon connection. And
25:41
so again, to me, this is just so exciting that
25:44
people will understand this is possible. for anyone, as you
25:48
learn to, as you say, Marjorie, lower your filters.
25:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it is. And I think you could
25:52
imagine that with your work on mediumship and or people
25:57
that you're going to be talking with, if in that
25:59
moment that you were like communicating with them, you had
26:01
made that date and you were now having your telepathic experience,
26:05
that you might say, oh, we could call this the hill.
26:08
And then the next time you meet with somebody else,
26:10
it's like they might have passed it on again on
26:12
that other side even. And you can imagine that it's
26:15
not so unusual that people around the country are all
26:20
using the same language that are individuals with non-speaking autism
26:23
because they're connecting with people all the time in a
26:27
variety of communities. I love it. So I think one
26:31
of the examples was one of the people, I think
26:34
this might have been one of Maria Welch's or another,
26:39
we also talked with some teachers in schools about it.
26:42
And this one person said, Well, you know, I go
26:45
on the Hill with my other friends that are like
26:47
in the speech therapy clinic, but I talked to somebody
26:50
from Denmark because he's really interested in, you know, some
26:54
particular aspect of like bees or something like that. And
26:57
then I talked to another person, you know, in Canada
26:59
that has interest in another aspect. So that's the beauty
27:02
is that it's not just with your closer friends.
27:04
Speaker 1: That's the thing that really blew me away, that they're
27:07
meeting other people with autism in this non-place place. Yeah.
27:14
Other parents have brought up something about the hill, and
27:17
their child will say, oh, yeah, I know their child.
27:20
And they've never met, right? Yeah.
27:22
Speaker 2: So I think that is... You know, right now, because
27:26
I'm immersed in it, talking to these individuals, it seems
27:30
all so normal. But then I can put myself back
27:32
into my materialist frame of mind and think, oh, my goodness.
27:36
I mean, in our normal medical, educational, scientific system, this
27:42
is never talked about because it, quote, unquote, couldn't be true.
27:47
And so, I mean, that's what's very exciting to me.
27:49
And I'll just give you– so that's one aspect of
27:52
The Hill– The other thing that I want to mention
27:54
is that, again, getting back to Casey now, but this
27:56
applies to other ones too, other individuals. So when he was,
28:01
I think maybe a year or two ago, his great-grandmother
28:06
was dying, and he would go visit her a lot
28:09
with his mom when she was dying. And toward the
28:13
end of her life, he was spelling to his mother that, basically,
28:17
Nana has a lot of relatives that are waiting for
28:21
her on the other side. And he said, and one
28:23
of them is my great-grandfather, which probably then would be
28:27
her husband. And he spelled out the whole name, including
28:32
the middle name of his great-grandfather. And his mother didn't
28:34
know how to spell the middle name, but he got
28:36
it right. So once again, this could not be coming
28:39
just telepathy through her. This was coming from him on
28:42
the other side.
28:43
Speaker 1: From a deceased physical body person.
28:47
Speaker 2: Yeah. And so, and that happened with Casey then a lot.
28:50
So now, and then, well, then after his Nana died,
28:54
one night they were getting ready for bed and his
28:56
mom had this letter board and he let her spell
28:59
to his mom, basically, you know, I don't miss Nana
29:03
because she's here with me all the time. It was
29:06
the moment when his mom was really missing her. And
29:09
it was his way of saying, it's okay. She's here
29:11
all the time. And he said, actually the same thing
29:13
about his brother who went off to college and And again,
29:16
I think mom was missing the brother that was off
29:17
to college. And he said, I'm with him all the time. So,
29:22
I mean, it's this beautiful, beautiful, what do I want
29:25
to say? It's an ability that these beings have because,
29:29
as you said, their filters are low.
29:31
Speaker 1: If I could, this is so exciting to me because
29:37
they're showing that what mediumship shows as well that we
29:40
still communicate with our loved ones across the veil that
29:42
they are right here because they exist in consciousness not
29:46
in some separate place but I feel that your research
29:49
is going to bring more credibility and open the belief
29:54
system of people who don't believe that we survive death
29:59
It's not just about telepathy. It's about the survival of consciousness.
30:04
Speaker 2: Exactly. And I think the other thing I just want
30:07
to mention is that when you talked about what's materialism
30:10
versus what we might call consciousness fundamental, the difference in beliefs,
30:13
one of them of materialism is that we only exist
30:17
in time and space and, in fact, gravity. I mean,
30:21
so time-space reality is all there is. And we are
30:25
showing that they are going beyond space. They are not
30:29
tied to our spatial geographical coordinates like we are. So
30:35
it's one more way that materialism doesn't hold up when
30:37
you really look at what they're capable of doing.
30:53
Speaker 1: You've mentioned the letterboard several times. For those who aren't
30:55
familiar with that, tell us please what that is.
30:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, so... I'll even take a step back. So because
31:01
most of these individuals were thought to be developmentally disabled
31:05
and delayed for many, many years, in fact, it's still
31:08
a question amongst the speech therapy community. One particular group
31:13
of people ended up realizing, well, why don't we try
31:15
to see if we can help them communicate using a
31:18
letter board is simply the alphabet on a board with
31:21
also like numbers underneath, something like that. So, or they
31:23
might have two boards, one with numbers, one with letters.
31:26
And so the therapist often or the mother holds that
31:29
up in front of them. And then they go ahead
31:31
and take their pencil and they either point to a
31:33
letter or if it's one of those stenciled letter boards
31:35
that has pieces out of it because it's clear plastic,
31:39
they point right in the middle of a letter. So
31:40
you really knew it was that letter they wanted. So
31:43
that's what they're doing. And then the mother, when I
31:47
watch them doing this on our Zoom calls, what you
31:49
find is that the mother asks a question, and then
31:52
they do one letter at a time, and the mother
31:54
is saying the letters, and then at the end of
31:55
the letter, she says the word. Because, you know, you
31:58
can't keep all that in your mind very long anyway.
32:00
Speaker 1: Why can't they use an iPad type thing?
32:02
Speaker 2: Okay, a few of them can actually graduate to that.
32:06
And Casey has not graduated to that yet, and a
32:09
lot of them haven't. And here's an interesting point that we,
32:13
as neuroscientists, don't understand about telepathy. When my colleague, Marina Weiler,
32:19
went to Casey's home for like a four-day in-house visit.
32:22
She was, as the researcher, trying to understand more about
32:26
what were the constraints on his mind reading of his mother,
32:28
his telepathy. And so in one case, what she did
32:32
is she actually had his mother not look at the letterboard.
32:37
So now she's holding the letterboard, but she's looking away
32:39
and he's typing into it. He could not do the
32:42
telepathy when she was looking away. So then Marina basically
32:47
put a barrier between the two of them because that's
32:50
something that Diane had done before with another child so
32:53
that they couldn't see each other. He couldn't see her.
32:55
She couldn't see him. But she could at least see
32:57
the letterboard. And then he would point. And then he
33:00
was fine. And when we asked him, because, you know,
33:02
he can answer the questions on the letter board, he
33:05
needs to have that connection with his mother. And that's
33:07
what I think others have said. I think Houston, excuse me, yeah,
33:11
from Atlanta had said something like that to Diane Hennessy
33:15
and Kai, that there's something about the connection with the mother.
33:20
Speaker 1: This is what I've been learning about mediumship through experience,
33:23
that it is relational.
33:25
Speaker 2: Yeah.
33:26
Speaker 1: Yeah. You need that heart connection, that connection. soul-to-soul communication
33:32
with the family member. Yeah.
33:33
Speaker 2: And this also makes it very difficult when you get
33:36
into the laboratory. So just another sort of humorous example is,
33:39
as Marina was talking to some of her colleagues in
33:41
her department about what we were doing, they were giving
33:44
her all sorts of ideas about how they would do
33:47
the experiments, where, in effect, what they would do is
33:50
make it a sterile environment in the laboratory. The mother
33:53
isn't there. The child is having, you know, All these
33:57
unusual things that they're not used to given to them
34:00
to try to make it super controlled. And we said,
34:02
they'll not be able to do it. I mean, you're
34:05
going to have to find a way to control it
34:08
within their constraints.
34:10
Speaker 1: That's right.
34:11
Speaker 2: It's actually very exciting because we are learning about the
34:15
limits of their neurodivergent brain. It is telepathic, but it
34:20
also has certain ways that they have gone around usual
34:24
skill to learn things. In fact, they are looking often
34:29
in their mother's mind. They are reading through their mother's mind.
34:32
So if their mother is reading something, they may not
34:34
see their mother, but they're using her mind or her
34:37
eyes to see.
34:38
Speaker 1: Oh, wow. Really? That's mind-blowing. Yeah.
34:41
Speaker 2: Yeah. So those are the questions. I mean, I'm saying
34:44
that as a hypothesis. We will find out if that's
34:47
really true as we do more.
34:48
Speaker 1: Okay. So, so far, speaking of blowing one's mind, what
34:53
has blown your mind? What are you already seeing that
34:56
you didn't expect? Yeah.
34:57
Speaker 2: One of them is that, and I think that a
34:59
number of the interviews that Kai had mentioned this as well,
35:03
as we talk to some of these individuals and their parents,
35:06
they say that they've learned languages that they didn't learn
35:10
in school or anywhere else. And so once again, they
35:12
have access to information from an information field. What do
35:16
we mean by that?
35:17
Speaker 1: But may I interrupt you here? So clearly they don't
35:20
need a mother present to get that. So it's not
35:22
just that they tune into their mother's thoughts. They're tuning
35:24
into this field. Yeah.
35:26
Speaker 2: And the same thing, of course, with the nana that
35:27
was on the other side, his great-grandmother. He didn't need
35:30
his mother. And I should say that is an interesting
35:34
facet that will take sort of teasing apart because Casey
35:37
said that, He told us that one time when his
35:40
mother received a text message, I'm holding her iPhone, received
35:43
a text message from a woman that is his actual
35:46
communication partner that helps him with these things. She had
35:49
shown on the iPhone text a picture of the new baby.
35:54
And he told his mother about that on the letterboard
35:57
before his mother had even seen her message on her iPhone.
36:01
So there's another one that's a nuance of it that
36:04
I can't explain.
36:05
Speaker 1: This is so funny, Marjorie, because... Just a half an
36:07
hour ago before we started recording, I had sent a text,
36:12
a group text to my assistants. It went out to
36:15
seven people. And they comment on it as they see it.
36:20
And so I was walking around the kitchen and my
36:22
phone made the little text sound across the room. And
36:25
I just tuned in and I asked the universe, which
36:28
one of my assistants was that? And I knew it
36:31
was Christy. And I laughed and I went over and
36:34
it was Christy. So... You know, I do these kind
36:37
of experiments all the time.
36:38
Speaker 2: Yeah.
36:39
Speaker 1: It's not surprising to me. So y'all are going to
36:41
have fun.
36:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. And I think you may know
36:45
we also talked to a woman in England who I
36:49
know Kai talked to as well, who has a son
36:52
who is autistic. And he's the one that wakes her up.
36:56
into a lucid dream in the middle of the night
36:59
so he can communicate musical melodies to her because he
37:03
is a composer. And so, he shows her an ace
37:06
of spades card. He knows when she's in a dream
37:10
because he's telepathic. And when she sees the ace of
37:13
spades in her dream, she becomes lucid so she can
37:16
hear telepathically the music he wants her to then write down.
37:20
And when she wakes up, she writes it down. And
37:22
then she asks him, is this what you wanted? And
37:23
then he can say yes or no. And then the
37:25
next night, He can give her something else if it's
37:28
not correct. And so I'm thinking, really? No, it's not really.
37:33
Speaker 1: This explains what I've seen over and over, that our
37:37
loved ones come to us in dream visits from across
37:39
the veil because they've told me they see we are
37:43
in just the right state. Our energetic field has just
37:47
adjusted to the point where we will notice them. And
37:51
then I've had people say, well, I was a composer here,
37:54
so I'm helping inspire composers who are still in physical
37:58
form by giving them the music. It's all the web
38:02
of connections. Not surprising at all, but I get so
38:05
excited because now, through your work, people are going to
38:08
understand what's possible and why.
38:12
Speaker 2: Well, and Suzanne, now I'm getting my neuroscience hash on.
38:15
The thing that you're making me excited about right now
38:17
is when Nen could write a review paper on... mediumship
38:21
and telepathy in individuals with autism and show the commonality.
38:26
Speaker 1: Oh, it's just, it just is right down the road.
38:29
And I remember from the tapes, telepathy tapes, how those
38:34
with autism were very sensitive to stones and people, people
38:39
laugh at people who use crystals, but they, they calm them.
38:43
They feel their amplifying power because they're so sensitive to
38:48
what is right here.
38:50
Speaker 2: Suzanne, now that you've mentioned crystals, I have to tell
38:52
you an anecdote about myself. And that is that for
38:55
those that don't know it, I first started meditating, had
38:57
a meditative awakening when I was 30 years old, many
39:00
years ago. And I had friends that were spiritual that
39:03
would tell me about the magic of crystals and I
39:05
couldn't feel anything. I'm a neuroscientist. And so, but at
39:09
one point, you know, I think one of them found
39:11
a crystal that she liked and I ended up buying
39:13
it and I had it, you know, on my desk
39:14
and didn't think anything more about it. And then About
39:18
maybe eight years ago, Paul and I, my husband and I,
39:21
moved to Sedona. And we went to this, it might
39:24
be called Crystal Magic, this store in Sedona. I know
39:27
it well. And in the back was this room. that
39:30
I saw was like about eight by eight feet with
39:32
walls of crystals, of shelves of crystals. And I walked
39:35
into that room and I could feel the difference. And
39:38
it's like, oh, that's what she was talking about. It took,
39:41
you know, 25, 30 years.
39:42
Speaker 1: That's okay. Oh, that's awesome. So, Just go back to
39:49
the stories because I can't get enough of them. More
39:52
stories that are just wow.
39:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think one of the other things
39:55
that we did ask Casey was then how are you
40:00
really seeing this? Oh, actually, I'm going to take another
40:02
step back because the way his mother discovered it was interesting.
40:06
So he, again, was now communicating on a letter board.
40:11
The first thing that happened was that they were on
40:15
a plane flight, And they were on vacation. And she
40:19
was sitting in one side of the plane. And he
40:22
and his brother were sitting on the other side a
40:25
few rows back. And she had in her earbuds. And
40:27
she was listening to the Telepathy Tapes podcast. And they
40:32
get to the hotel at night. And on the letter board,
40:36
he says, you were listening to the Telepathy Tapes. And
40:38
he told her about what was on that podcast. And
40:41
she said, how did you do that? And she said,
40:44
maybe he just felt her energy or something. And then
40:46
he said, no, I heard it. So in this case,
40:49
he was hearing it, you know, through the whatever we
40:53
can say.
40:53
Speaker 1: Okay, so here's our mediumship corollary. I can't, yeah, I
40:56
just have to share this. So this is why everybody listening,
41:01
when your loved ones pass, they know your thoughts. They
41:05
show me this in readings all the time. They tell
41:07
us things that you've been thinking about. And people say,
41:09
you mean they can read my mind? Yes. Why? Because
41:12
they no longer have a body and the body is
41:15
the filter. That's what's getting in the way. Once the
41:18
body's gone, yes, they know what you're thinking. And yes,
41:22
there are no more secrets. So just make sure you
41:25
have nothing to hide and you're fine. But the fact
41:29
that we don't have to talk to them and say,
41:32
do you love me? Do you know how much I
41:33
love you? They read your thoughts.
41:35
Speaker 2: And it's okay.
41:37
Speaker 1: My guys just said it's not reading. It's knowing that
41:39
just they're The awareness is just here in the field.
41:43
And so when we think of our loved ones, often
41:47
it's because they're thinking of us. And we pick up
41:51
on it because we are telepathic, even despite the filters
41:55
that are here in our body.
41:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. And so just saying that, then one of
42:01
the questions that I asked him was, this again, Casey, when...
42:07
you are basically listening to people or getting their thoughts.
42:11
How does it come to you? And he said, well,
42:13
one of the ways it comes to me is almost
42:15
like it's written on a TV screen in front of me.
42:17
And so he said, literally like I see it in
42:19
front of me. And of course he can hear it too.
42:20
So I'm sure that each person, and maybe you're the
42:23
same way. Sometimes it may be visual, sometimes just a knowing,
42:26
sometimes a hearing. So that's right.
42:28
Speaker 1: Yeah.
42:29
Speaker 2: And then I asked him this, I said, so can
42:32
you hear the thoughts of anyone or basically have telepathy
42:35
with anybody? And he said, as he spelled it out, yes,
42:38
and sometimes I wish I couldn't. And that's because, in fact,
42:44
he then can hear people being judgmental. And in fact,
42:48
when I was talking to one of the teachers in
42:52
Ohio who has like about four students that she interacts
42:55
with in a classroom, she said that they usually are
42:59
in their own special ed classroom where they're just doing
43:01
their own studies. But sometimes in that High school, they
43:04
let them go into another classroom that's a general education classroom,
43:07
but it often doesn't work out. And she said, this
43:10
is the problem. When they're in the regular classroom, the
43:13
other kids are judgmental about them because they are dysregulated.
43:18
You know, they're moving in somewhat awkward ways, doing things
43:21
like that. And they can feel that. And in their dysregulation,
43:26
sometimes they can go out and punch another kid because
43:30
they're so upset that they can read everybody's mind. And
43:35
so it's that reminder how careful we have to be
43:38
with what is in our own mind.
43:40
Speaker 1: Absolutely. And I'm sure they feel it, too. It's not
43:43
just hearing their thoughts. They can feel it. Vibrations are real.
43:48
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then one other story that is sweet is
43:51
like when we were on the call with Casey, I
43:55
also had asked him, can you see auras around people?
43:59
Because we had a set of questions that were interested
44:01
in what I might call more the paranormal things. And
44:03
we just wanted to hear what they had to say.
44:05
And he said, well, yeah, I can. And then Marina
44:08
was on the Zoom call with me, too. And Marina said, well,
44:10
can you say, you know, what aura do you see
44:13
around Marjorie right now? And he said, yellow. And she said, well,
44:15
what does yellow mean? And he said, that means kindness
44:18
to me. And of course, that's really nice, but I
44:20
was almost in tears that he would say something. And
44:24
then toward the end of the call, he said, and
44:28
by the way, I see your mother behind you right now.
44:32
And he said, she is saying how proud she is
44:36
of you. And that was very meaningful for me because
44:40
when she was alive, she would come to my courses
44:42
at the university or my conferences in Phoenix, Arizona. And
44:46
she would sit in the back and afterwards she would
44:48
say how proud she was of me. And I mean,
44:51
chills went up and down my back when that happened.
44:53
So it's like, so I mean, these are things that
44:56
you're much more aware of. But when it happens like this,
44:59
I go, oh, yeah.
45:01
Speaker 1: And to me, it's again, well, yeah, because this is natural.
45:06
They just don't have the same filters. And that's why
45:09
we can learn to quietly Filters. Yeah. Yeah. That's what's
45:14
so exciting. Not to that point. And you've reminded me
45:17
over and over as you're speaking of children, so many
45:21
who do see across the veil, who see spirits when
45:24
they're younger and they tell their parents and the parents say, no,
45:27
that's your imagination. And they shut it down. How many
45:31
of you have had that experience? And so this is
45:35
very real. And perhaps as a result of your work,
45:39
more children, parents will say, well, maybe I'll encourage that
45:43
in my children and find out what their experience is
45:46
without shutting it down. Yeah. There is a happy medium here,
45:51
pun intended, where we can not be so open that
45:54
it's chaotic. We can regulate ourselves to the point where
45:58
we can make appointments to talk to our loved ones
46:00
across the veil. Yeah. Wow. What is the outcome you
46:05
hope from your first year of three years and then onwards?
46:10
Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's an interesting question. And I could
46:12
say in terms of outcomes, Marina and I have already
46:16
started this. And in fact, I maybe afterwards share this
46:19
particular paper we wrote. We wrote a reflection piece in
46:22
the journal called Explore about this problem where the Speech, Hearing, Language,
46:29
et cetera, Association and many people in the schools don't
46:33
want to allow these children to use letter boards to
46:36
communicate because they believe that it is the parent or
46:41
the communication partner that is moving the letter board so
46:45
that they will actually say what the parent or the
46:47
speech partner wants. And I think there was a lawsuit back,
46:50
you know, a number of years ago. And so this association,
46:55
in fact, one of the therapists that we were working with,
46:59
communication partners we were working with, said that she got
47:01
trained in one of these communication, I think it was,
47:04
I don't know if it was spelling to communicate or
47:06
something like that. And she was told that she needed
47:09
to sign something that said she would not use this
47:12
for telepathy. Now, that's interesting, isn't it?
47:15
Speaker 1: Wow, I'll say.
47:16
Speaker 2: Very short-sighted. It's short-sighted, and they're worried about lawsuits maybe
47:21
against them. And so they're trying to be ultra-conservative and conservative.
47:26
So getting back to your question about what do we
47:28
hope will be the pragmatic result, we're hoping that we
47:32
can convince people that are currently thinking that this type
47:37
of communication with letter boards is not appropriate and that
47:41
children are being manipulated to show them that it's not
47:44
the case because, in fact— The other thing that you mentioned, well,
47:46
what about an iPad or something like that? And some
47:49
of the individuals are now able to use independent keyboards,
47:53
and they absolutely are doing the same thing. So there's
47:55
clearly not that they.
47:58
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking of how just now when we write
48:01
an email, it will fill in the word and the
48:04
sentence for you, and perhaps the communicator could then say
48:07
yes or no. And it would be much faster, wouldn't it?
48:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would.
48:12
Speaker 1: Yeah.
48:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this particular article I'm telling you about is
48:15
one where we wrote as a reflection piece saying, look,
48:20
there's a controversy right now. Some people think that the
48:22
telepathy tapes is not a real phenomenon, you know, Kai
48:26
Dickens is a documentary person. She's not a researcher. And
48:30
we're coming in now to say, okay, don't put the
48:32
Dickens telepathy tapes down. It was the way of showing
48:36
the public what is possible. And now we as researchers
48:40
and other researchers should now step in to actually show
48:43
the credibility of this or not. I mean, if it's
48:45
not credible, we'll find it out. But here we are
48:48
to actually help look into this more deeply. And so
48:52
I think that that paper is just trying to say,
48:54
wait a minute, before you make a judgment too soon,
48:57
let us be open to doing the research and finding
49:00
out what these individuals can really do.
49:03
Speaker 1: It's so exciting to me because when I first discovered
49:06
mediumship 20 years ago, it was dismissed by so many
49:11
more people. And when I got into it myself, I
49:14
said my number one goal is to bring credibility to mediumship.
49:19
And that's happening. but that will help.
49:23
Speaker 2: The small little.
49:23
Speaker 1: Detail of showing people that your loved ones are not
49:25
dead and gone, just a little minor thing, right? I'm
49:28
being facetious, of course. But to help people understand the
49:33
bigger picture of what mediumship and telepathy and these other
49:38
non-physical abilities point to, Why don't you just take a
49:41
minute and riff on what this field is? What are
49:46
we tapping into?
49:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, right. And I think the hard part, of course,
49:51
is that a lot of people that are in the
49:54
clinical sciences and in education have been trained in the
49:57
materialist paradigm too. And so part of it is what
50:01
we've talked about so much is like, can they be
50:03
curious and look at the data? And I'll just give
50:05
you one example too, which is, One of those frustrations,
50:09
I want to remind people about the story about Galileo
50:12
way back with his telescope, trying to get the Catholic
50:14
priests to look through the telescope at the moon to
50:16
show that, yes, the moon has craters and everything, and
50:18
they said, No, we know that can't be true. According
50:20
to our Catholic doctrine, you know, the moon doesn't have craters,
50:23
et cetera. And so we're now seeing that sometimes with
50:27
our own peers that are in neuroscience, where we're sending them,
50:32
for example, our paper that we write, and we are saying,
50:36
would you please look at the paper? And we're even
50:38
going to show you the videos so that you can
50:39
see whether it's valid. And they write back to say, well,
50:42
I didn't have a chance to look at the videos,
50:43
but until you prove that this is 100% accurate without
50:48
any possibilities of any sort of leakage of anything, then
50:52
you shouldn't even submit the paper. And it's like, you
50:54
didn't look at the videos? They wouldn't look down our telescope?
50:57
So we just want those people to say, oh, sure,
51:01
I'll look at the videos. And so we'll see what happens.
51:04
I mean, that's going to be an ongoing, you know,
51:07
person-by-person experience. effort to see if we can begin to
51:11
get more and more people to be curious.
51:14
Speaker 1: I wish you all the best with that. And it's
51:18
wonderful because I've heard Dr. Radin from IONS say also
51:23
that the reason more scientists, more credible scientists like you,
51:27
are not looking into these things is because they're afraid
51:30
if they voice what they feel may be true, they
51:33
will not get funding. And you're saying people are actually
51:36
coming to you with funding.
51:39
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
51:40
Speaker 1: Yeah. This is exciting. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. What have we
51:45
not covered?
51:49
Speaker 2: That's a good question. I think, you know, what I'm
51:52
thinking about really the bottom line for me, it's that
51:55
this was, even in my own awareness, like two years ago,
52:00
not something I believed was possible. So, and here I am,
52:03
a neuroscientist that has been spiritually oriented for... 35, 40 years.
52:08
And so I didn't know this existed. And I think
52:11
what Kai Dickens did was open up, in some ways,
52:14
a Pandora's box that is really exciting, but also scary
52:18
for some of the people that are in science and
52:21
education and in the medical community. And so.
52:24
Speaker 1: I just say, it's about time.
52:28
Speaker 2: Exactly. And so, I mean, I guess what I'm saying
52:30
is that now our job, our joyful job is to
52:35
really begin to carefully tease apart all of the nuances
52:38
and to find out what's really happening. And for me,
52:41
The issue about being the neuroscience hat now being put
52:44
on me, it's like looking at the MRI and seeing
52:47
what happens when those are in an MRI and what
52:50
happens when they're having telepathy with their mom. Maybe there's
52:52
a way of actually doing that. So I think that that, again,
52:57
perhaps allows the two camps to come together a little closer.
52:59
The ones that say, I have to see it in
53:00
the brain to know what's happening. And the others just say,
53:02
I already know it's real. But yeah, let's see if
53:04
we can do both. So maybe that will be the
53:07
way we can begin to explore together.
53:10
Speaker 1: Good. Awesome. I asked the question earlier. It might have
53:14
been misunderstood. I'd like you to summarize for us. What
53:18
is this field where the telepathy is taking place? What
53:22
are these kids tapping into? Where is, what is the hill?
53:26
Speaker 2: See, well, I think it's a place, quote unquote, because
53:29
place is the wrong word. It is a, what do we,
53:33
like a field of awareness that is literally beyond time
53:37
and space. That's why they can be precognitive. And that's
53:41
why they can see what's happening in the world and
53:43
beyond the world. So that is a field. And when
53:47
we say field, all I can mean, I mean an
53:49
awareness field. Yes. And that is the fundamental nature of
53:53
reality is the other thing that's so important. And everything
53:56
else is sort of crystallized down from that. That allows
53:58
us to see individual things. But that's the fundamental nature
54:01
of reality. And that's what they're tapping into.
54:03
Speaker 1: Yeah. And would you call that consciousness?
54:06
Speaker 2: That is. I mean, consciousness and awareness to me are
54:08
the same. I use them interchangeably.
54:11
Speaker 1: Thank you. You and I were part of a convening
54:15
of people who study consciousness, and it was so interesting
54:19
that it was a mixed group of materialists and those
54:22
who are not materialists who believe that consciousness is fundamental.
54:25
And it was so interesting that they started off the
54:28
whole weekend event by saying, oh, it wasn't a weekend,
54:32
midweek event, by saying, we're not here to come to
54:35
agreement on what consciousness is. We're here to see how
54:38
an understanding of consciousness can help humanity. How do you
54:45
see your work that you're now involved in helping humanity?
54:51
Speaker 2: You know, it all comes down, I believe, to what
54:54
I would call our worldview. Because when I had that
54:57
worldview experience, that basically this was a material universe and
55:01
consciousness was just a product of my brain. I had
55:04
a attitude of, I need to take care of myself
55:08
and be sure that I, I gain enough. But what
55:11
would we call them? Like, like things in the world
55:13
that would be useful, including things like, okay, enough money
55:16
for a nice house. Um, a good job and all
55:18
those sorts of things. And I was thinking about myself
55:20
as separate from everybody else, a separate island. And then
55:24
when I had this spiritual awakening and I realized I
55:27
was interconnected with everybody, everything began to change. It didn't
55:31
change just like that, but it's like little by little,
55:34
I began to see the world as truly interconnected with me.
55:37
And also here's the most important thing for me right now.
55:41
This is my take home is that Everything is unfolding
55:44
perfectly as it is. And can I relax and let
55:49
my heart lead me into what it needs to or
55:52
wants to do next, but not to be worried in
55:54
high anxiety about what's going to happen? Because I believe
55:57
that this conscious field, this awareness field, is full of love,
56:02
is benevolent, and wants the best for us if we
56:04
can just tap into it. So I think that's really
56:08
the difference between the old and the new way of seeing.
56:11
Speaker 1: That's beautiful. Dr. Marjorie Wolcott, your website is your name, right?
56:16
Speaker 2: Yes.
56:17
Speaker 1: MarjorieWolcott.com. She has some awesome books. Check out her website.
56:24
And we really look forward to seeing what you produce
56:28
as a result of these investigations.
56:31
Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm also looking forward to it very much.
56:33
I'll bet.
56:34
Speaker 1: I'll bet. Wasn't that awesome, everybody? Really mind-expanding. I hope
56:38
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56:41
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