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The Late Debate | 29 May · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Lately. Welcome to the late Bad, Well Good evening and
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  Speaker 1: thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 2: I'm James Macpherson with Freyerlitch and filling in for Caleb
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  Speaker 2: Bond who's just hosted Paul Murray Live. Caroline Marcus coming
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  Speaker 2: up tonight. We all saw the French president's wife shove
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  Speaker 2: him in the face, but now a lip reading expert
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  Speaker 2: reveals what she said to him right after that incident.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get to that shortly.
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  Speaker 2: Plus, when we look at what's making news tomorrow, a
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  Speaker 2: radical imam apologizes to Jews and then in the next.
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  Speaker 1: Breath calls for all oppresses to be killed.
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  Speaker 2: And a man narrowly escapes death after accidentally taking his
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  Speaker 2: wife's euthanasia medication. All of that shortly, but first, working
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  Speaker 2: from home, at least part time is at least as
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  Speaker 2: productive as working in the office. That's according to a
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  Speaker 2: new report from the Productivity Commission that was released this week.
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  Speaker 2: The report found that people working from home take less
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  Speaker 2: sickies and are less distracted. They also report a higher
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  Speaker 2: level of job satisfaction, which then begs the question, well,
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  Speaker 2: what's happening to productivity in this country? Because it's going down. Well,
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  Speaker 2: the productivity Commission says it's nothing to do with people
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  Speaker 2: working in their pajamas from home. It's just the fact
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  Speaker 2: that the employers aren't providing enough new technology. They're not
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  Speaker 2: equipping staff with the means to have greater output.
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  Speaker 1: So here's the deal.
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  Speaker 2: Working from home is obviously contentious because the Coalition went
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  Speaker 2: to an election and lost promising to put public servants
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  Speaker 2: back into the office. So does this settle the matter?
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  Speaker 2: The Coalition lost an election on this issue. The Productivity
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  Speaker 2: Commission say working from home doesn't affect productivity? Is the
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  Speaker 2: debate finally over? Is working from home here to stay?
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  Speaker 3: Freyer Well, I think it definitely is here to stay
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  Speaker 3: in some form, and now that we've got hybrid work arrangements,
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  Speaker 3: I think they're too entrenched to really wind back.
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  Speaker 4: But I would say that I probably.
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  Speaker 3: Disagree with this Productivity Commission study on a few levels.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, one, with economics, you can kind of make
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  Speaker 3: modeling say whatever you want it to say if you
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  Speaker 3: use the right data. But also it is true business
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  Speaker 3: investment has been going down for the last twenty years, really,
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  Speaker 3: but we have seen a dramatic fall in productivity since COVID.
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  Speaker 3: It's down about five point seven percent from its peak. Now,
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  Speaker 3: when you hear stories of public servants working from home
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  Speaker 3: but actually going on caravan rides around Australia and then
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  Speaker 3: you see that huge collapse in productivity, it does make
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  Speaker 3: you wonder. Surely, I know some people are super productive
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  Speaker 3: at home, but on the whole there have to be
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  Speaker 3: some people that are just raughting the system. And that's
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  Speaker 3: my issue with working from home.
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  Speaker 5: You know what, you don't have to be working from
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  Speaker 5: home to rule the system. And I think we all
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  Speaker 5: know people in the workplace, you know, present company, people
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  Speaker 5: in the workplace who take the piss frankly and slacking
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  Speaker 5: off and really are dragging it down for everyone else.
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  Speaker 5: And I think those are the same people who, if
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  Speaker 5: you put them in a home environment, are going to
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  Speaker 5: rut the system even further. I mean, aside from this report,
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  Speaker 5: I know from my own personal experience is having young children,
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  Speaker 5: I've often had to do some of what I can
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  Speaker 5: do in this job, whether it be research or writing
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  Speaker 5: up pieces for the website or a lot of you
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  Speaker 5: know work that goes behind the scenes in a television job.
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  Speaker 5: I'm able to do that from home, and it's often
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  Speaker 5: means I'm up late but I can be there for
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  Speaker 5: the bedtime for the kids where possible, and it is
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  Speaker 5: a godsend. And I think for young families who do
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  Speaker 5: not have a choice except to be working at the
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  Speaker 5: time where they've raising their children, because who can afford
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  Speaker 5: not to these days, it is an absolute blessing. And
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  Speaker 5: my husband often does it and helps out, and he's
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  Speaker 5: absolutely not slacking off. So I hope long continue. I'd
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  Speaker 5: like to be public servants, not wrought the system. I
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  Speaker 5: think a lot of them probably are. And it's a
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  Speaker 5: shame that the coalition's policy on this went down like
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  Speaker 5: a lead balloon, because in many respects I think it
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  Speaker 5: was It was good because I think for a lot
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  Speaker 5: of people there's no excuse they can easily be in
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  Speaker 5: the workplace.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to argue that you and your husband, wonderful people,
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  Speaker 2: are the exception. I think most people slack off when
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  Speaker 2: they're working with that's.
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  Speaker 5: Not what they actually found.
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  Speaker 4: And I know.
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  Speaker 2: Lies and statistics, right, and if you're slacking off at
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  Speaker 2: the office, I agree. There's a lot that slack off
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  Speaker 2: at the office, but it's easier to slack off at home,
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  Speaker 2: so I think.
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  Speaker 5: But in some respects, you want to prove yourself even
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  Speaker 5: more you want to continue to have that privilege. I
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  Speaker 5: mean not if you're in the public service and your
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  Speaker 5: sort of your salary is you know you've got it
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  Speaker 5: on some kind of tenure, you're like locked in. That's
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  Speaker 5: the problem with the public service. The problem is also
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  Speaker 5: that it's taxpayer funded, so we there needs to be
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  Speaker 5: accounted there. But if you're working for a company, if
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  Speaker 5: I'm working for a network like scut, if I'm not
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  Speaker 5: producing stories, I'm eventually not going to be able to
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  Speaker 5: hold my job. So I think people have to prove
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  Speaker 5: themselves even more when they're working from home.
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  Speaker 2: In some respect, I still think if you're a boss,
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  Speaker 2: then you have the right to say, if I'm paying you,
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  Speaker 2: then I want you here not there, and that's my right.
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  Speaker 1: I'm paying the wages.
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  Speaker 2: If you don't like it, go work somewhere else. So
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  Speaker 2: I don't think this issue is over by a long shot.
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  Speaker 3: And that's part of my issue with it. When people
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  Speaker 3: see it as a right more so than a privilege.
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  Speaker 3: You should have to earn the privilege, prove that you're
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  Speaker 3: capable of being productive at home, and then you get
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  Speaker 3: that opportunity.
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  Speaker 5: It's not just productivity, though this report found that it
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  Speaker 5: also increased job satisfaction and actually, yes, well you're not
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  Speaker 5: stuck and it's not just the pajamas, but I don't
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  Speaker 5: know what's with you and your pj's very very close
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  Speaker 5: to them. But it's also the commute who wants to
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  Speaker 5: be stuck in people that is a huge problem, being
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  Speaker 5: able to pick up your kids from school, if you're
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  Speaker 5: a working mum. It's all those factors. Job satisfaction rated
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  Speaker 5: really highly and I can understand why for all those reasons.
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  Speaker 5: And it's so difficult to retain good employees for bosses
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  Speaker 5: these days, especially when you're looking at millennials and younger,
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  Speaker 5: so why not continue?
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  Speaker 3: And I guess one of the challenges is that women
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  Speaker 3: are often asked to work two jobs in the home,
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  Speaker 3: that's one full time job and then out of the
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  Speaker 3: home at work. So working from home does allow young
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  Speaker 3: families to integrate them a little.
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  Speaker 5: Hopefully the men are also working yea, some kids.
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  Speaker 3: I am moving on now let's look at the childcare sector.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's fair to say that childcare in Australia,
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  Speaker 3: certainly the peak body has been well and truly captured
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  Speaker 3: by the woke left, and I think this story perfectly
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  Speaker 3: sums it up. The National Early Learning Regulator has issued
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  Speaker 3: new guidance to childcare workers saying they should ask for
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  Speaker 3: consent from babies and preschoolers while changing their nappies, taking
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  Speaker 3: them to the toilet, and even playing with them. Now,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what kind of babies and toddlers these
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  Speaker 3: guys are dealing with, but the idea not really that
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  Speaker 3: their children that young even know what consent or even
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  Speaker 3: decision making really is. I'm pretty sure they just have
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  Speaker 3: natural impulses and then act. I mean, this just shows
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  Speaker 3: that even the childcare regulator has been captured by this
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  Speaker 3: left wing language of we need to create a culture
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  Speaker 3: of consent.
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  Speaker 4: What does that even mean?
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  Speaker 2: Glad to say, Caroline, I'm now a convert to work
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  Speaker 2: from home. Why would anyone want to put their kid
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  Speaker 2: in a childcare center when this is the sort of
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  Speaker 2: nonsense they go on.
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  Speaker 5: It hasn't just been in childcare centers and when two
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  Speaker 5: young kids. I've come across this. In the last few years,
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  Speaker 5: there's been this huge push and a huge movement in
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  Speaker 5: gentle parenting, which I'm largely I never thought i'd be
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  Speaker 5: like that, having been spat myself as a child would
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  Speaker 5: be the product of top parenting. But I now subscribe
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  Speaker 5: to this gentle parenting, but not the permissiveness. You still
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  Speaker 5: need to have firm boundaries, and kids need to have
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  Speaker 5: firm boundaries. They need to know that you're the adults.
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  Speaker 5: You're not their friend asking them for permission to parent
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  Speaker 5: and do your role. But the funny thing is, James,
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  Speaker 5: I'll often say to my three year olds or oh,
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  Speaker 5: can mummy do your hair? And she'll be like no,
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  Speaker 5: and I'll say, well, that was a rhetorical question. I'm
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  Speaker 5: doing your hair.
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  Speaker 2: That's my problem with this, right, because if you're trying
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  Speaker 2: to teach consents, so you should ask for the baby's
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  Speaker 2: consent before you change the nappy. So clearly baby has
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  Speaker 2: a pooey nappy, and so you say, I'm about to
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  Speaker 2: change your nappy.
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  Speaker 1: Is that okay?
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  Speaker 2: Now the baby can't speak, let alone give consent, but
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  Speaker 2: you're supposed to read I don't know the facial expression.
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  Speaker 2: So your hope to god the baby doesn't break wind
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  Speaker 2: at that moment. Otherwise you interpret that as a no.
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  Speaker 2: But that if the baby sort of signals no, I
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  Speaker 2: don't want my nappy.
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  Speaker 1: Change, do you leave.
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  Speaker 5: That would be negligent, you know exactly.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, actually, here's my point though, So you're
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  Speaker 2: going to change the nappy after the baby's indicated no.
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  Speaker 1: Well, now you're teaching them that no doesn't mean no.
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  Speaker 5: That is a really good point. However, I do see
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  Speaker 5: the idea behind this. I mean, you're not just teaching
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  Speaker 5: them about I don't think this is the right way
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  Speaker 5: to do it for you. Don't give me that look,
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  Speaker 5: but you know, I do understand that because we have
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  Speaker 5: had a real issue with child abuse in this country,
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  Speaker 5: and it happens often from trusted No, don't no, you're right,
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  Speaker 5: You're right, it happens often from trusted places, including in
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  Speaker 5: childcare centers, you know. Shockingly, I don't think it's all
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  Speaker 5: together a terrible thing to teach children that their body,
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  Speaker 5: they have agency of their bodies from a pretty young age.
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  Speaker 5: I've been trying to do that as well, in a
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  Speaker 5: way that isn't like woke and just you know, ideological
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  Speaker 5: theater as one person has called it, with.
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  Speaker 2: Don't to workers have to go to the toilets. But
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  Speaker 2: there's always got to be two workings things of.
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  Speaker 3: Cour of course, we obviously don't want that happening. But
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  Speaker 3: I think the problem here is it looks like the
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  Speaker 3: childcare regulator itself has gone woke. So if you look
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  Speaker 3: at the early Learning framework, that is essentially the curriculum
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  Speaker 3: they're supposed to be teaching in childcare centers, explicitly stated
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  Speaker 3: within that framework is that educators need to promote diversity, equity,
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  Speaker 3: and inclusion, and it essentially embeds critical race theory into
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  Speaker 3: daycres by saying they need to critically.
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  Speaker 4: Engage with world views and biases.
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  Speaker 5: I think you'll just look after the care. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: you're going to have a real shop when you have
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  Speaker 5: kids and they go to daycare, preschool prayer, because I
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  Speaker 5: tell you they do a version of Welcome to Country
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  Speaker 5: pretty much every day. And I'm not just talking about
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  Speaker 5: my kids, like I'm talking about prayers. It's pretty much standard. Now,
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  Speaker 5: just one more.
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  Speaker 1: Question on this.
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  Speaker 2: How do they police it? Like, how do they then police?
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  Speaker 2: You know, you change that baby's nappy without consent?
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  Speaker 3: Well, how are they going to police exactly?
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  Speaker 5: This works when the child is nonverbal. As soon as
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  Speaker 5: they can say no, you have to drop this straight away.
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  Speaker 1: Well let's go to Victoria.
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  Speaker 2: We've been talking all week about netball in Victoria after
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  Speaker 2: a Victorian netball league banned two transgendered players.
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  Speaker 1: Now the players were.
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  Speaker 2: Banned one of them after footage made the rounds on
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  Speaker 2: the Internet of a female player being thrown to the
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  Speaker 2: ground after bumping into the transgendered play. Now, I must
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  Speaker 2: say the transgendered play didn't throw her to the ground,
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  Speaker 2: but she obviously fell pretty hard after coming into contact
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  Speaker 2: with the transgendered play. Now, this story, unsurprisingly and that
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  Speaker 2: video has gone right around the world, and the transgendered
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  Speaker 2: player has become pretty upset. It's goppt a fair bit
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  Speaker 2: of flack for it, and has made this statement. This
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  Speaker 2: won't be a long novel, the transgendered player wrote on
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  Speaker 2: social media, because frankly, these bigots don't deserve my time
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  Speaker 2: or energy. Melton South Football Netball Club and your netball
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  Speaker 2: coordinator players, this is the team that wanted to boycott
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  Speaker 2: the transgendered players team. You're in total to your opinions,
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  Speaker 2: But let's clear some things up. Your head coach tried
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  Speaker 2: to recruit me to play for your club. Yes, your
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  Speaker 2: head coach tried to recruit me. Now, a couple of
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  Speaker 2: points on this. First of all, I can understand to
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  Speaker 2: an extent, the frustration of the transgender player, because there
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  Speaker 2: are all these weird rules for some sports you're allowed,
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  Speaker 2: some sports you're not. In one league, this transgendered player
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  Speaker 2: was banned, but then in another league, the transgendered player
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  Speaker 2: was permitted to play. So that would breed a level
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  Speaker 2: of frustration. And second of all, whether you agree with
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  Speaker 2: the transgendered player or not, a pile on online can
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  Speaker 2: be very hurtful, and so I could understand why that
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  Speaker 2: transgendered player would react.
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  Speaker 1: No one, no matter who you are, wants a pile
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  Speaker 1: on online.
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  Speaker 2: But if you're a biological man playing netball against women,
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  Speaker 2: should you really be crying fairl and saying, oh, I'm
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  Speaker 2: being bullied.
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  Speaker 1: That's sort of a bit rich, is it not.
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  Speaker 5: Look I agree with a lot of the first part
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  Speaker 5: of what you're saying, and having covered this issue extensively,
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  Speaker 5: including a Skyinese documentary call fair Game The Fight for
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  Speaker 5: Women's Sport available and full online, now I can say
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  Speaker 5: that I think the real issue is with the clubs
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  Speaker 5: and the policies, and as you said, the fact that
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  Speaker 5: they're so confused and conflicting that even within one kind
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  Speaker 5: of sport or code, you have different policies at different levels.
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  Speaker 5: The elite level has one policy. Amateur levels might allow
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  Speaker 5: transgender players, whereas elite levels don't. Whereas you think, how
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  Speaker 5: is it any you know, more fair or safe? In fact,
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  Speaker 5: it should be even less safe for women who are
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  Speaker 5: not elite athletes to have to compete against biological mals.
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  Speaker 5: So I feel for this transgender player, but at the
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  Speaker 5: same time.
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  Speaker 2: Heart, I mean, just as a normal human being, you
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  Speaker 2: know this isn't fit.
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  Speaker 5: I never said it wasn't I did a whole documentary.
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  Speaker 1: I mean a transgendered perpose.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't think so that's my child.
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  Speaker 5: They absolutely don't.
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  Speaker 4: Well that's pretty clear from the post.
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  Speaker 3: They feel like they're the ones that have been victimized,
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  Speaker 3: which if there's an Internet pylon, I totally understand.
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  Speaker 4: But I also think, even if there are.
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  Speaker 3: Conflicting rules in different sports codes, if you know you
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  Speaker 3: were a biological male, if the images that we just
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  Speaker 3: showed you so clearly depict you as having a huge
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  Speaker 3: physical advantage, and by the way, this player has played
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  Speaker 3: in a men's team before, would you not demonstrate the
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  Speaker 3: good sportsmanship and just go I might identify woman, I
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  Speaker 3: might identify as a female, but for the purposes of
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  Speaker 3: playing sport, it is only fair that I am in
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  Speaker 3: the male category.
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  Speaker 4: That is the fair part. But one of the funny.
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  Speaker 3: Things and about this was in the post, the transgender
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  Speaker 3: athlete tried to say that essentially this was all just
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  Speaker 3: kind of payback from the opposing team because she wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: join their team. And then she says that they're now
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  Speaker 3: hypocritical for calling her out. But I'm like, I totally
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  Speaker 3: get the coach on the other team wanting to recruit
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  Speaker 3: them to their team, because if I knew there was
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  Speaker 3: a biological mail on the other side, I want them
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  Speaker 3: on my team.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it goes back to the rules, right, If you're
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  Speaker 1: allowed to recruit.
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  Speaker 5: Then why wouldn't you exactly exactly I mean, speaking of
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  Speaker 5: transgender issues, there's this huge another uproar in the States.
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  Speaker 5: You might remember Dylan Mulbainy. Now I don't know what
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  Speaker 5: pronounces to use anymore, guys. He She and the transgender
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  Speaker 5: model activist who started this bud Light commercial a few
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  Speaker 5: years back that led to a huge backlash against the
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  Speaker 5: beer company. It's sales dropped thirty billions of dollars. Well,
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  Speaker 5: now Dylan has again this time in a fragrance ad
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  Speaker 5: for Jean Paul Gautier. You wouldn't believe this. The product,
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  Speaker 5: the perfume is called feminity feminity, not femininity feminity, and
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  Speaker 5: it is all about how it is most the peak,
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  Speaker 5: peak feminine, peak feminine product to make women feel as
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  Speaker 5: feminine as possible.
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  Speaker 4: It is so frustrating.
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  Speaker 3: And what I find even more annoying about this is
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  Speaker 3: that the model of femininity that Dylan Mulvainy displays is
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  Speaker 3: actually extremely sexist. So during his TikTok transition, he've logged
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  Speaker 3: it every day gave an update about his transition, and
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  Speaker 3: this is one example of the kinds of things he
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  Speaker 3: would post about what it's like to be a woman.
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  Speaker 6: Day four of being a girl, and I am exhausted.
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  Speaker 6: The hair, the makeup, the clothes, the heals. It's a
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  Speaker 6: lot to keep up with and I need to learn
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  Speaker 6: early on that those things do not make me a girl.
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  Speaker 6: It's what's in here that matters. And I actually didn't
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  Speaker 6: shave my face today because I was like, Gil, even
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  Speaker 6: with your facial hair, you're a girl. And even though
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  Speaker 6: I'm having it removed, women can have facial hair.
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  Speaker 5: Okay. Well, I mean that's entirely confusing, is okay, it's
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  Speaker 5: a being a girl apparently, Frayer, it's all about having
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  Speaker 5: hair and makeup. But apparently it's not being a girl.
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  Speaker 5: That's not being a girl, because having a beard can
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: you can still be a girl. But it's on the
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: inside what counts. But not on the inside down there,
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: and not the hormones or the chromosomes.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: Well, I wish he would actually look on the inside
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: and tell us, Dylan, what is actually there, because it's
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: a whole bunch of male chromosomes.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: Here's my question that this perfume. Who is it being
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: marketed to? Is this marketed to women or is it
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: marketed to men with gender dysphoria? But I do know this,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: I know what that perfume smells like. Smells like bud light.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: That's what it smells like.
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: No one who's it smells like failure go broke. And
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: companies never seem to learn it. But they will. Although
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: it is a different product. It's not aimed at blokey blokes.
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: It has aimed at a fresh and crowd. I guess
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: who might be more open to the sort of cost.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Speaking of people not learning lessons. Let's go to the
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: US where universities you would have thought learned something from
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: all the pro Palestinian anti Semitic rallies that have taken
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: place on their campuses and gotten their houses in order,
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: but they haven't done that. Columbia has given lip service
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: to what went on. Harvard has steadfastly refused to do
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: anything to protect their Jewish students, and so US President
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump has taken action. He's withheld about three billion
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: dollars worth of funding from Harvard. He said that Harvard
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: aren't allowed to bring students from overseas at the moment
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: until further notice. But now the US administration has extended
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: that action regarding foreign students, with Marco Rubio tweeting the
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: US will begin revoking visas of Chinese students, including those
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: with connections to the Chinese Communist Party or studying in
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: critical fields. That comes a day after US embassies around
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: the world were advised to hit pause on approving visas
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: for foreign students to travel to the US while the
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Trump administration decided how they would expand vetting of prospective
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: students social media accounts. This is a massive step when
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: you consider foreign students a five point nine percent. I
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: think it is of the nineteen million tertiary students in
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: the United States. Harvard, it's worth a lot of money
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: to these universities. And the Trump administration is now saying
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: we are hitting pause on all foreign students. As you
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: can imagine, the unis are up in arms, and we'll
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: get into this. But my first point would be it
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: didn't have to happen. If the universities had taken responsibility
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: for making sure they had students not activists, students not radicals,
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: that Trump administration would not have had to step in exactly.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: And Trump made it very clear that unless they took
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: concrete action to address the anti semitism and hand over
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: the details of all the international students that Harvard was enrolling,
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: he was going to cut their funding. This has been
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: clear for months. He also made these same demands of
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: a bunch of other universities, all have either complied or
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: are currently negotiating with the Trump administration. What Harvard has
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: done is sue Trump, and obviously he does not well,
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: he's not afraid of illegal battle, that's for sure, and
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: so he's just gone bring it on. And it looks like,
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, there are some interesting legal questions and constitutional
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: questions around the First Amendment? Is this presidential overstep? Does
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: he have the authority to do this? But I think
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: regardless of the exact legalities of all of this, we
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: can all appreciate what Trump is trying to do. And
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: I think the way he's doing it and just saying
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: hang on a second, American universities were founded to build
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: this nation. The only thing they are building now is
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: a generation of student activists who fundamentally hate the country.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: The facts he's cracking down on that, I say, good
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: on him.
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: Well, look, I think it's going to be a real
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: problem for the survival of universities in America because, like here,
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: a lot of them depend on the financial the finances
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: that they get from international students.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: I could stop paying their advice chancellors.
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean that's one thing that America has more
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: than a million foreign students, and that includes forty five
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: hundred Australians. So what happens to all of those? And
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: I mean, I do agree with you, because I think
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: it's gone. It's become completely ridiculous, both in the US
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: and here, where these activists are basically allowed to run
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: complete riots over these campuses and do whatever they want,
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: and the university just say contact and academic freedom and
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: you know, freedom of speech. Suddenly they believe in freedom
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: of speech when it comes to these issues. So I
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: do like that something is being done about it. I
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: just don't know if other people will get caught up
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: in the in the wash with a new administration. What
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: happens if another Biden administration, Biden style administration comes in,
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: then what will your social media activity? What will what
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: won't be allowed? Then? Will it be the opposite? Will
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: you have to be pledged some sort of far.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Left woke It's got all over it, right, But I
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: think Trump is facing realities, whether it's in the teriff situation.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Now you might not agree with the terrorists, but he's
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: facing the reality. The US have got massive deficit issues,
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: whether it's illegal aliens not. Everyone is happy with the
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: ways dealt with it, but there's a massive problem. And
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: when it comes to activists coming into the United States,
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: it's not just the enemies without, it's the enemies within.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: And will there be some short term pain, Absolutely there
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: will be, But you pay at one point or another. Right,
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: you either pay now by taking strong action or you
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: just let things drift and you pay a greater price later.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: And Trump is a sort of guy who's saying I'm
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: not afraid of some short term pain to address some
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: major issues.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: And just interestingly on that before we move on, the
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: Trump administration is also announced that they are going to
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: start aggressively revoking the visas of Chinese international students. Now,
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: this is particularly interesting for Australia. As a recent graduate
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: of Sydney University and someone who was involved in campus politics,
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: I can tell you this stranglehold that the CCP has
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: on a lot of Chinese students around the world is
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: really frightening for us, for our country, but also for
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: those students themselves. Now, by law, they have to cooperate
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: with NASH with Chinese intelligence gathering, so it puts them
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: in a really tough spot, especially when they're participating in
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: critical research. So it's interesting to see Trump.
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: But what gives you the idea that it's a lot
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: of Chinese students that has a strangle hold on I
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: know that there's obviously the Confucius institutes that were cracked
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: down on. I've done stories about how the CCP infiltrates
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: Chinese language schools, but I don't think it's fair to
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: tar all Chinese students, or even international students more widely,
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: because so many come from Asia. I mean I did,
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: I was an international student. I just don't think it's
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: I think a lot of them are non political and
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: they're just coming here for the pure experience of having
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: an education in Australia.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: The challenge is under China's National Intelligence Law, all Chinese
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: citizens are obligated to cooperate with national intelligence gathering.
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: So we get rid of all Chinese Australia.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: Of course not we shouldn't blanket anyone with this, but
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: that's just the reality. And the other reality is that
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: a lot of the students that come here come from
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: very wealthy, elite Chinese families. And the main way to
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: move up in a in a society you have to.
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: To a certain extent participate.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: In the political structure, which involves being close with the CCP.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: So naturally, the students you're getting here, for example, Jijiping's
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: daughter went to Harvard. That's the caliber of people that
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: you know, These are a that we have done in society.
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: And also Australia, not be called exactly, and I don't
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: think that's fair, but I think if it wasn't for
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: the wealthy Chinese, in Australian particular, we would not have
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: our universities. Australians wouldn't be able to attend on a
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: highly subsidized fee for local students.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: To be clear, the problem is not Chinese people. The
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: problem is the Chinese Communist.
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: Part, of course, a stranglehold over them. I think that's
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: probably so.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Moving on now, there's a really interesting and concerning case
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: in Georgia where a woman who has been pronounced legally
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: dead is being kept on life support while a baby
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: or her baby Jess states, and she continues to be
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: pregnant with the baby, so doctors hope that when she's
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: about thirty two weeks pregnant, they will be able to
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: safely deliver the baby and then the mother will be
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: taken off life support. Now this is causing a big stir,
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: with pro abortion advocates saying she is being forced to be.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: Pregnant against her will.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: She's not giving consents because she's obviously legally dead. But
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: then others argue, well, if there's a chance to save
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: the baby's life, isn't that a good thing that can
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: be Perhaps the positive legacy out of this woman's life.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: I'm personally with the latter, and I think, well, if
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: there's a chance to save a human life, then why not.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: The woman was.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Eight weeks pregnant when she was declared brain dead. In Georgia,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: the law says that abortions are illegal after six weeks,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: so that's the law, although the attorney general says it's
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: got nothing to do with abortion laws at all. He
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: says turning off life support doesn't therefore isn't done in
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: order to procure an abortion. The two are completely separate issues.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: But have listened to the woman who will be the
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: grandmother when the baby is born. Keep in mind, there
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: is concerns that this baby may well be born with
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: certain disabilities. The family say they will love the baby.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: They just argue that it should have been their choice,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: not the states, as to whether or not the baby
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: is born.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Have a listen, my grandson may be blind, I mean,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: I be able to walk wheelchair.
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: Bout we don't know if he'll live once.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: She hasn't.
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: And I'm not saying that we were to chose to
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: terminate her pregnancy. What I'm saying is we should have
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: had a choice.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: I don't see any reason why you would not allow
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: this unborn baby the opportunity to be born and have
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: a life.
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: Why wouldn't you, Well, the family do want, would have
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: made that choice regardless, But I don't think it should
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: be an issue for the state. And I tell you
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: why it's different from the abortion issue, because had there
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: been not in an abortion issue, you're saying you want,
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: you don't want. Women shouldn't be able to have a
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: choice to This is the pro life argument to take
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: control of their bodies and decide whether to terminate a
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: pregnancy that is viable. In this case, the pregnancy would
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: not be viable if nature was allowed to take its
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: course because a fetus would not be able to survive
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: in a brain dead woman in a dead body. Basically,
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: they're keeping her alive on life support and basically running
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: a scientific experiment on a baby that has never been
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: done before. Actually it was done once in twenty thirteen
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: when this happened to another woman. The husband and up
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: turning off the life support after a couple months of
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: illegal battle, So we don't know what would have happened
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: to that baby. In this case, there's a lot of
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: fluid on the brain that the brain is obviously important
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: for the mother for the baby survival. Is this cruel
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: to the child else to force it to be born
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: into a world without a mother where it could be
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: severely disabled that it would not have survived in nature
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: had it not been for the hospital.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: For they're not sure baby will be.
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: Because that no one knows, but they already found a
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: lot of fluid on its brain, so it's very very
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: likely it's going to be not be a healthy newborn.
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: That's what the medical experts are saying.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: What do you think for I think you do raise
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: a good point, and the pro life argument is that
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: you shouldn't take an innocent life when it's viable, and
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: in this case, it's already in an extraordinary condition. Keeping
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: the mother on life sport. There's nothing against just accepting death.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: But I think given we are fortunately at the point
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: in humanity where technologies like this exist, I think it's
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: a really encouraging sign that there could be a chance
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: of life here.
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: But again, it really should be the family's decision.
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: I think so, and I don't know what I would
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: do in this personal situation. I think it's a really
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: interesting ethical and spiritual argument, James, because do you I mean,
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: do you agree with commercial rogacy, for instance, where a
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: child would be born and then not have access to
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: their biological mother Like it's it's fraught with ethical issues
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: and people and doctors playing god basically because this wouldn't,
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: as I say, would not be able to happen without
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: medical interventional.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: I do agree with you.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: It's different to the abortion debate because if you switch
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: off the life support, you're just allowing mom to die
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: as she would without the machine. You're not switching off
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: life support to end the baby's life.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: So it is different.
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: Actually, the article was fear mongering about the abortion issues
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: and about Roe v ways, So I think we need
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: to be really careful there because this is whipping up
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: fear Overlook, this is hospitals are forcing people to do
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: this because of the laws, where the Attorney General, as
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: you point out, clarified that it doesn't have anything to
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: do with the law.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a very interesting ethical challenge. Let's move on
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: to Israel. Now you've probably seen in the news over
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: the last couple of weeks there has been absolute hysteria
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: about this accusation of mass starvation in Gaza, and of
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: course it's caused controversy. It's been peddled by the United Nations,
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: and here is a labor MP Julian Hill, repeating much
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: of the same talking points.
• 31:16
  Speaker 7: Mass starvation, manipulation and use of humanitarian aid to collectively
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: punish civilians as part of a military conflict is outside
• 31:26
  Speaker 7: international law. The Prime Minister's language has rightly been strongly
• 31:31
  Speaker 7: condemning of Israel's recent behavior of the humanitarian blockade, and
• 31:35
  Speaker 7: we couldn't be clearer. Israel must let AID in.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: But here's the challenge.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: It's not that Israel doesn't want AID to go into Gaza.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: The problem is that when it does, it gets captured
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: and looted by Hamas, which then sell it on the
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: black market to continue funding their operations. So Israel has
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: now taken this into their own hands. They've established a
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: new food district UI network backed by the US, and
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: they're aiming to take back control of the AID.
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: Here's what Netanyahu said.
• 32:09
  Speaker 8: In the last two days. We are making a dramatic
• 32:11
  Speaker 8: turn towards the complete dismantling of Hammas. We are taking
• 32:15
  Speaker 8: away their control over food distribution in the Gaza strip.
• 32:19
  Speaker 8: This is their money machine, this is what builds their
• 32:21
  Speaker 8: terror army and this is what dismantles their ability to control.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: But what is so interesting is now Israel is taking
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: back control.
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: Of the AID. Obviously the UN plays less of a role.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: And Israel has offered to cooperate with a bunch of
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: local NGOs in Gaza.
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: And here was the UN's response.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: They have started boycotting and blacklisting NGOs that cooperate with
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: Israel in distributing the AID directly to Gazas. So for
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: all their claims about wanting to end the salvation deliver
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: the aid, they an't really. They just want to be
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: the ones delivering the aid because it maintains their grip
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: on power. But we know Caroline. They've been thoroughly infiltrated
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: by her mass. Their links to her Mass are extensively documented.
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: So what is this really about?
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: Well, the United Nations, I thought this is interesting. The
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: spokesman for the United Nations Secretary General said, we won't
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: participate in operations that do not meet our humanitarian principles.
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: And yet they were perfectly fine having her Masks run
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: tunnels under their own headquarters, having members of the United
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: Nations staff participated in October seven. I mean they came
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: out and contended that afterwards, But how did they not
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: know that these people were actually involved? As beyond me,
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: I mean, where has the condemnation been though? We've heard
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: the story about fourteen thousand babies starving, which was so
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: implausible within forty eight hours, was so implausible that only
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: someone who could readily believe that Israel as a demon
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: state and capable of such We really, frankly blood libel
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: as to want to kill babies. We're spreading this information
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: like wildfire on social media, and yet I only see
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: my Jewish friends, people who support a small section of
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: society who are very pro Israel, out there talking about
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: how her Mass is not letting their own people access aid.
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: Where's the condemnation?
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: That's what annoyed me about Julian Hill's state. And he
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: talks about collective punishment of civilians. It's Hermas who are
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: using civilians as human shields. He talks about a military conflict.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: This isn't a conflict between two militaries. That civilians have
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: been caught in the middle of Gaza is essentially a
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: terrorist camp.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: And as for Israel must let.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: The aid through, well, the aid could get through if
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: the hostages were released. It'd be interesting to hear Julian
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Hill talk about that before we go to a break.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Got to show you King Charles, what do you call it? No,
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: I was going to say, cal it's a motiicaate motiicate.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: He was in Canada, of course, and he's on his
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: way to the airport to fly out of Canada. Get
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: a load of how many cars help King Charles get
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: to the airport where he boards his jetplane. And remember,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: this is a king who prides himself on his green credentials.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: In fact, this is a king who refused to allow
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: he throw airport to name a terminal after him because
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: he said, in good conscience he couldn't do that, because
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: he's someone who fights for the environment.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: And yet did you see how many cars were there?
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: There were twenty four apparently, James, they were twenty four
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: according to this report. And then of course he gets
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: on this massive plane to jet home. I mean, it's
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: always the biggest climate alarmist who are the biggest hypocrites
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: as well, who tell everyone else what to do and
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: preach like Leonardo DiCaprio taking his private jets out to
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: you know, exotic places to lecture all the rest of
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: us on why we need to not use any electricity
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: and coal and why everything is.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Evil exactly, and that's why we just don't really believe them.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: We're going to go to a break.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll look at tomorrow's headlines, including
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: a radical Australian imam apologizes to Jews for comments he
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: made and then in the next breath calls for all
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: the presses to be killed. That more in just a moment.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Welcome back. Well, you get tomorrow's news tonight on the
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: late Debates. So we're going to go to the headlines
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: that will be the talk of the town tomorrow. And
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: as always, the Australian Newspaper's got some great stories, Caroline.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, So radical imam's apology to Jews one day, call
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: for Allah to kill all the presses the next. Now,
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: this is a story about an extremist cleric, Amad Zud,
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: who you might be familiar with because he was recently
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: forced basically to apologize to jew after being after abilification
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: complaint was laudged by a Jewish body. But the interesting
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: thing about this is what he's gone on to say
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  Speaker 5: after that apology, which the Australian has obtained which is
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  Speaker 5: oh Allah, deal with the tyrants and the oppressors, count
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: them one by one, kill them all and leave none
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  Speaker 5: of them behind. And I can tell you that that's
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: not the first time we've heard a radical shake say
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: those words. Closely after October seven, there was a Shake
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: in Roseland's mosque in Sydney who said the same thing,
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: but he built the cat when he explicitly said it
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: was in regards to Zionist Jews, and New South Wales
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: police investigated him at the time and then dropped the
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: investigation saying there was nothing that could be done. Clearly,
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: this apology is not genuine and we have more of
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: this nonsense. But again I really doubt authority is it
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  Speaker 5: going to take any action.
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  Speaker 3: It's so concerning because words have consequences.
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  Speaker 4: I mean what we saw in Washington, d C.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: Just last week with people attending a Jewish event literally
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: gunned down just because the terrorists thought they were Jewish.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: It just shows you that words have consequences. And of
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: course we believe in freedom of religion. Of course we
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: believe in freedom of speech. But there is a line
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: between freedom of speech and incitement to violence, and that
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: is the key tension that we're walking here.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: When you're calling for allah to kill your enemies, it
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: sounds awful like incitement for There is one other story
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  Speaker 2: on the front page is The Australian.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: That's really interesting and the headline is Indigenous not same
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: as disadvantage. Indigenous is not a byword for disadvantage, and
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: much of the left truth telling ignores the nation's many
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: Aboriginal and terrest Strait Islander success stories. The Liberal Party's
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: new voice on Aboriginal affairs, WANs Karen Little, an ironite
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: woman from Central Australia, has declared that sound Indigenous policy
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: begins with nailing down good services to the nation's.
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  Speaker 4: Most vulnerable communities.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: That is such a good point and I'm really excited
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: to see where Karen Little takes this portfolio. But it
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: is true that in a lot of the discourse people
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: just say indigenous as if that is the same thing
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: as disadvantaged. But as just Senter Price also so often
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: points out, you can be a very successful Indigenous person
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: and conflating the two is actually basically creating a cycle
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: of permanent victimho.
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: Self fulfilling prophecy. Basically, you're just saying that you will
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: do no better than what we tell you. You're under educated,
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: you're disadvantage. You can never rise above them.
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: Based on your race, and that is what stands.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: You could be very disadvantaged and white, yes country, which
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: is why we should not help people on the base
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: of race. Help people on the basis of need, and
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: that would be a much better society and people would
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: actually get help who need it. Let's go to the
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: front page of the Courier Mail. COVID is back. Get
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: a load of this headline. COVID strained to hit hard
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: vax rates leave state exposed to new variant And do
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: you remember the days where every variant was like the
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: worst thing ever?
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: And when the next was the worst one ever?
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: And well it's back to the future. Vulnerable Queenslanders are
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: under threat as the most contagious strain of COVID nineteen
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: ever recorded rips through the state. The new wave comes
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: at a time when vaccination protection has fallen to the
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: lowest since the JAB was introduced. More than fifteen thousand
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: COVID nineteen cases recorded in Queensland this year, with infectious
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: diseases expert Paul Griffin saying, quote, we have dropped the
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: ball on vaccinations. I got to admit, you know, obviously
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: the TGA, not the TGA, it's America.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: But health authorities in.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Australia say if you're old and vulnerable, or if you've
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: got comorbidities, you should get vaccinated. But to me, I
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: know people who have had COVID recently and it's really
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: regarded as nothing more than a bit of a it's
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: a bit of a nothing burger. So I got to say,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: when I saw this headline, I was pretty surprised.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: It is really strange and what we should actually be
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: looking at our excess deaths, not just case numbers. And
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: unless we see excess deaths due to this new strain
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: of COVID, I really don't think we should all start
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: getting too panicked about it.
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I was a bit surprised actually to see that headline.
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: It seems a little bit like a scare headline. But anyway,
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: we move on. Gold Coast Bulletin has an interesting story
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: a probe after the wrong man took end of life
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: drug Now a man has narrowly escaped death after allegedly
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: taking voluntary assisted dying drugs basically euthanasia drugs intended for
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: his partner and this happened at Gold Coast Unit Diversity Hospital.
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: The alleged incident is being investigated and authorities are having
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: a look into this. But I think while we don't
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: know all the facts around this case obviously, and these
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: are just allegations at this stage, it does raise some
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: of the concerns that have previously come up about euthanasia
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: and voluntary assisted dying, that the risks that can happen,
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: and I can't say we've often, or at least I
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: haven't often brought up the fact that maybe it could
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: the person could take get their hands on it and
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: could use it. It's troubling. We don't know if it's intentional,
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: if it had it happened by mistake.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: I think I said at the top of the show,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: he accidentally, But when you read the.
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: Article exactly when you look at it.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Clos possibly and this is just possibly. It could have
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: been intentional. And this is the big problem with euthanasia
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: drugs being intended for one person accessed by somebody else
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: who should not be accessing these drugs. And unfortunately the
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: man has survived, so that's good.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: Well, thankfully, it sounds like this all took place at
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: a hospital, so I guess the one place you'd want
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: to be when you're about to die.
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: But anyway, moving on to the Herald Sun. Now this
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: is an awkward one for the Liberal Party. As if this.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: Week couldn't get much worse for the Victorian Libs.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: Grath negligence.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: Lib's deputy leader misled colleague and wrongly used her taxpayer
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: funded chauffeur car to ferry him wife one hundred kilometers
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: home after getting smashed at tennis. Sam Groth faces calls
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: to stand down admid revelations he misled a senior colleague
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: and wrongly used her taxpayer funded chauffeur driven car to
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: ferry him and his wife one hundred kilometers home after
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: a boozy day at the Australian Open. This does seem
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: to be a little bit of an awkward story.
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: It hasn't been a great week for the Victorian Liberals
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: with the looming deadline for John Pizzuto to pay two
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: three million dollars to Moiy Deeming, and.
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: This just seems to make it even worse.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: It's just another example of Victorian Libs shooting themselves in
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: the foot. And the amazing thing about the Victorian Libs,
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: you can't accuse them of lacking creativity because they continually
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: find new ways to destroy their chances.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Just sib to Allen, all her Christmases have come at once.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Gets the machete band, which is a stupid idea off
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: the front page, and the libs are making headlines again.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Let's go to the Daily Telegraph here in Sydney next
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Gen fight Club reads the headline.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: And it's an exclusive story.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: Cops blitz viral teen brawlers in CBD, so that five
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: times quickly. A shocking escalation of violent teen bashings and
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: assaults in Sydney CBD is being fueled by the pursuit
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: of social media fame, with kids filming and uploading videos
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: of each other in brawls and random attacks across the city.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Concerning are we really surprised? Probably not this generation. Will
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: you tell me, Frey, you're a couple of month.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: It's younger than me.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: I don't think I know much about their life, but
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: I mean social media, it's all about likes and followers
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: and doing.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Whatever you can to increase your interaction.
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: Well, it is interesting you bring this up.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: I mean this was something that Peter Dunton was promising
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: to ban if you want a post and boast offenses.
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: Because it is a big driver of a lot of
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: this activity.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: Kids want the street cred for beating people up and
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: committing crime.
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: It's pretty disgusting.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: We're to go to a break, but stick around.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: We all saw the French president's wife shove him in
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: the face. But now an expert lip reader tells us
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: what she said to him right after that event.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: That's in a moment.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, everybody's been talking about it the last few days.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: What really happened between Emmanuel mccron and his wife and
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Caroline we think we know, well, thank you.
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: To a lip reader, we know what was actually said
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: between between the president and the first laid The lip
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: breaeder has said that after this now viral infamous shove
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: with both hands that Bridget mccron did on Emmanuel Macron,
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: she then says she then says stay away, you loser.
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: Those were the words that were uttered. He tried to say,
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: let's go, let's just walk out of the plane, and
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: she replies stay away, you loser. So I mean, that
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: doesn't quite gel with Emmanuel mccron's version of events. He
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: went on to tell the media, I don't know why
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: everyone's making such a big deal about this. It's just
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: a squabble. It was joking around. I'm sorry, but in
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: ten years of marriage, I have never shoved my husband
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: with both hands on his face or any hand or anywhere.
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: And I've never called him a loser. I may have
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: called him other things, but not I got.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: To ask what would have hurt Macron more than shove
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: in the face or been called a loser?
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's pretty embarrassing, Oh my goodness. And also in Europe,
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: if you are on a Turkey Airways flight now, if
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: you get up into the aisle or prematurely unbuckle your seatbelt,
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: you could be fined up to seventy dollars. I think
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: we all know when you're flying, even if the seatbelt
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: signs still on, you've come to a stop. You're not
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: moving anywhere. Everyone's jumping up into the aisle. Is this
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: just another way to rake in.
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: Some more revenue for Turkish.
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: I love you back this because I made it. When
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: people jump up and they start queuing up and they
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: have to get out first, it's like, what's your rush?
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: We're going to be grounded for at least another isn't
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: it more? Efficient. I've got your butt in my face
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: if you're standing there trying to get out.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: First, there's other options.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: You find people who don't put the seat thing down
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: those people.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Find people like they.
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: Did put the seat down, or who.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: Don't know who don't put the arm resturant, or people
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: who put their legs on the other side of your level.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Find those people.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: Find people who put their bags in the overhead compartment
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: not adjacent to their Find those people, and find the
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: staff at Virgin for not upgrading me when I'm flo Well, no,
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: I have a.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: Little bit of sympathy for this, because I do find
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: it's so frustrating when you're just sitting there and you're like, well,
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: I could be getting my stuff down, I could be
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: progressing these a lot of run of dose, Like one
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: of these I might be one of those people.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, guys, Right quickly before we go, my favorite
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Catholic preacher on TV, Fulton Sheen.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: He's now de ceased. You can watch him on YouTube.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: He's brilliant, but maybe his preaching's got some competition with
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: these Brazilian nuns on Catholic TV who in the middle
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: of a religious program.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll just let you watch skies, I'm going to
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: mess on Sunday.
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: I love their beats like they've got a good sense
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: of rhythm, and look at those dance moves.
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: I don't get the context of this. I don't really care.
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know why. Where she learned to
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: be Boxburg?
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: Good on her No idea that's from us. Good night,
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: stick around, Brida Pinnhey up now,