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The Kenny Report | 19 August · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Thanks Ross and thanks for joining me tonight. The Sydney
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Speaker 2: Swan scandal why the huge footy implications demonstrate how the
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Speaker 2: club is focused primarily on respect, standards and alleged victims.
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Speaker 2: The Victorian opposition promises to scrap the transmission projects we've
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Speaker 2: highlighted here time and again. A win for people power
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Speaker 2: over renewable power. With the ABC in crisis mode over
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Speaker 2: fake news, the Shadow Communications Minister demands an independent inquiry.
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Speaker 2: Sarah Henderson joins me. Similar issues are playing out with
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Speaker 2: the BBC in Britain. A'llcross to Esther Krakhu, also Tom Switzer.
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Speaker 1: And the Wednesday wrangle. Let's get cracking.
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Speaker 2: Despite everything going on at the moment, the biggest story
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Speaker 2: in the country is the Sydney Swan scandal and this
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Speaker 2: is an episode that is about much more than sport,
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Speaker 2: of course, but it's the women of sport and sporting superstars.
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Speaker 1: That's made it headline news.
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Speaker 2: The issue at the heart of this is respect, respect
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Speaker 2: for women, respectful behavior and the ongoing debate about issues
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Speaker 2: of alleged sexual assault, of consent of people failing to
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Speaker 2: restrain or avoid ugly group situations. Now there are reports
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Speaker 2: that a woman has claimed she.
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Speaker 1: Was sexually assaulted.
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Speaker 2: Police are still investigating, but no charges have been laid,
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Speaker 2: so we can't say much about these allegations.
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Speaker 1: Will leave that to the police, except to.
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Speaker 2: Say that what we do know is that women went
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Speaker 2: back to the Swans hotel to join players in the
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Speaker 2: early hours of the morning, and at least one of
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Speaker 2: them believes she was mistreated.
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Speaker 1: The Swan's board met last night.
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Speaker 2: They can't preempt or prejudge what happened between their players
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Speaker 2: and these women.
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Speaker 1: That's for the police.
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Speaker 2: But the Swans have confirmed that separate to the women's
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Speaker 2: allegations there players behaved poorly, broke the trust of the
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Speaker 2: club and the team, and they have been dealt with
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Speaker 2: by their employers in a severe manner.
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Speaker 3: Our players Riley By, Nick Lakey, Isaac Haney, James Jordan
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Speaker 3: and Chad Warner will now not be considered for selection
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Speaker 3: for the remainder of the twenty twenty six AFL season,
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Speaker 3: and that's including the final.
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Speaker 2: Series certainly, and of course we all care for the
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Speaker 2: alleged victim or victims here, that's clearly the priority, but
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Speaker 2: for now that is for the police to report on
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Speaker 2: and those saying we shouldn't focus on the football side
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Speaker 2: of this, are missing the point. Federal Labor Minister and
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Speaker 2: Member for Sidney, Tanya Plibasek has taken to social media
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Speaker 2: saying already we're seeing news stories on how this could
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Speaker 2: cost the swansa premiership and analysis about the club's ability
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Speaker 2: to handle surprises. Plibsec goes on, when people in positions
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Speaker 2: of power gloss over allegations of sexual violence, when they're
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Speaker 2: more focused on their reputations than their responsibilities, it reinforces
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Speaker 2: the culture of disrespect and entitlement that fuels this violence in.
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Speaker 1: The first place. Well, it's impossible to.
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Speaker 2: Overlook that this same minister has spent the past couple
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Speaker 2: of weeks defending her own Prime minister's disrespect Alberanezi's sexist
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Speaker 2: disrespect in a smutty podcast, but on the Swans scandal,
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Speaker 2: she misses the key point.
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Speaker 1: In fact, she gets it the wrong way around the fact.
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Speaker 2: That the implications of this episode, the ramifications of the
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Speaker 2: club's response are so dramatic for the nation's premier footy competition,
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Speaker 2: this actually demonstrates how seriously the club and the Code
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Speaker 2: are taking these issues. Sydney have had a stellar season,
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Speaker 2: big crowds, big wins. They sit second on the Premiership
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Speaker 2: table and as of Sunday night they were one of
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Speaker 2: the flag favorites. These five players are some of their best.
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Speaker 2: Isaac Heeney is their absolute superstar, Chad Warner perhaps their
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Speaker 2: second best player, and Nick Blakey would be in their
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Speaker 2: top half dozen. Now these stars are out for the
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Speaker 2: season for the finals, the response to wild and disrespectful
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Speaker 2: behavior has been made without any regard at all for
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Speaker 2: the football outcome, well ahead of any police findings.
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Speaker 1: This tells us a couple of things. It suggests that.
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Speaker 2: The Swans no bad things happened here, but it surely
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Speaker 2: tells us without doubt that respect is.
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Speaker 1: A top priority.
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Speaker 2: That the punishment for these players is so severe, the
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Speaker 2: consequences for their teammates, club and supporters are so dire,
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Speaker 2: that the club is making an incredibly powerful statement. No
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Speaker 2: longer is there even a hint of the old attitude
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Speaker 2: that what happens off the field shouldn't upset the footy.
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Speaker 1: The Swans and.
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Speaker 2: The AFL are placing respect above anything else. It's hugely
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Speaker 2: disappointing for so many people, and again, the alleged victims
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Speaker 2: here are paramount, but the hopes of supporters, the aspirations
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Speaker 2: of fans, especially young fans, and the ambitions of teammates
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Speaker 2: have all been trashed in order to take a stand
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Speaker 2: against inappropriate behavior lack of respect. Heiny is the matinee
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Speaker 2: idol of footy in New South Wales. He is recently engaged.
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Speaker 2: He has a kid's book on the bookshelves as we
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Speaker 2: speak in bookshops for crying out loud. This is a
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Speaker 2: disgraceful episode that much we know, but don't criticize people
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Speaker 2: for talking about the footy ramifications of this because the
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Speaker 2: stunning impact that the Swan's disciplinary response will have on
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Speaker 2: the AFL Finals series, their supporter base and the club's
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Speaker 2: history and reputeation, well, that actually demonstrates how seriously the
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Speaker 2: club and the code has taken this matter. Another really
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Speaker 2: concerning development today when it comes to antisemitism and anti
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Speaker 2: Zionism in this country.
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Speaker 1: This time it comes from a New.
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Speaker 2: South Wales Supreme Court judge in a finding he handed
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Speaker 2: down on a terrorism related matter. Justice Desmond Fagan has
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Speaker 2: slammed the definition of antisemitism as used by the Royal Commission,
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Speaker 2: the Government and other authorities. It's the International Holocaust Remembrance
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Speaker 2: Alliance or IRA definition, but this judge seems to see
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Speaker 2: it as something sinister. The apparent purpose of promoting the
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Speaker 2: IRA definition, Fagan said, was to graft onto the community's
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Speaker 2: abhorrence of anti Semitism, a parasitic rejection of protest against Israel.
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Speaker 2: He went on to say this definition was detached from
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Speaker 2: the reality of the common usage and understanding of anti Semitism,
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Speaker 2: which Fagan said was simply hostility to Jews for their Jewishness.
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Speaker 1: We hear a lot of this around the place.
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Speaker 2: You know, I'm anti Zionists rather than anti Semitic, when
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Speaker 2: in reality they amount to the same bigotry. And Fagan
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Speaker 2: even refers to opinion polls about people's negative attitudes towards
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Speaker 2: Israel not as evidence of this bigotry, but as evidence
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Speaker 2: of Israel's sins. It may reasonably be inferred that the
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Speaker 2: results of polling Australian respondents reflect humanitarian reaction to Israel's
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Speaker 2: genocide of the Garzens since October the seventh, twenty three.
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Speaker 2: Fagan concluded, Israel's genocide of the gardens is that what
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Speaker 2: happened on October the seventh genocide. This judge talks about
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Speaker 2: definitions and common usage of language and then refers to
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Speaker 2: a genocide in Gaza. This renders the word genocide devoid
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Speaker 2: of any meaning. The only reason the civilian death toll
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Speaker 2: has been so low in Gaza is because of extraordinary
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Speaker 2: efforts of the Israeli defense forces to avoid civilians as
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Speaker 2: they hunt Hummaus. The only reason there have been any
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Speaker 2: casualties in Gaza is because.
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Speaker 1: Of humm Us.
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Speaker 2: And the only thing that has kept the people of
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Speaker 2: Gaza alive and their population numbers stable, by the way,
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Speaker 2: is the food, water, power, and medical aid facilitated by Israel.
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Speaker 2: Anyone who uses the word genocide in relation to Gaza
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Speaker 2: is doing two things. They are spreading false information and
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Speaker 2: they are demonizing Israel based on lies, the very definition
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Speaker 2: of anti Zionism, I guess anyway. More encouragingly, at the
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Speaker 2: Royal Commission today we heard some truth bombs from Indigenous
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Speaker 2: leader Marcia Langton. She described the price that she's been
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Speaker 2: forced to pay for daring to support Jewish Australians and
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Speaker 2: stand up against anti Semitism.
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Speaker 4: It's very difficult to engage in these debates. So you know,
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Speaker 4: I say, in my witness statement that I've been labeled
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Speaker 4: as Zio, you know, by the Pro Palestine movement in Melbourne,
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Speaker 4: and you know, I've had people pull out of panels
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Speaker 4: that I was listed to speak at international figures, who've
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Speaker 4: been informed that I'm a Zio. My car was windows
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Speaker 4: was smashed. So this kind of abuse of people who
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Speaker 4: don't sign up to what I frankly regard as a Prohamus,
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Speaker 4: a very uninformed Prohamus.
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Speaker 1: View.
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Speaker 4: They will not allow any debate of the issues by
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Speaker 4: labeling me as a Zio. I'm therefore made voiceless in
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Speaker 4: the debate because as much as I might be horrified
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Speaker 4: and oppose what's happening in Gaza, the treatment of Jewish
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Speaker 4: Australians is not you know, the foul treatment of Jewish
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Speaker 4: Australians cannot be justified by saying that you know Israel
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Speaker 4: is doing this in Gaza. They're Australians. This is our country.
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Speaker 4: This is where we have to treat each other properly.
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Speaker 4: This is where we have to achieve peace. There can
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Speaker 4: be no peace if the Pro Palestine movement make enemies
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Speaker 4: of Jewish people in our country. We have to be
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Speaker 4: united for peace, not dividing our country. By ethnic The
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Speaker 4: argument of the pro Palestine movement about Zio's it doesn't
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Speaker 4: make any sense. It's completely illogical. It's another form of xenophobia.
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Speaker 1: It is indeed another form of xenophobia.
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Speaker 2: That's why this Royal commission is so important and that's
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Speaker 2: why so many of us are worried that it might
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Speaker 2: miss the key points. It's got to camber now and
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Speaker 2: catch up with the shadow regional Health Minister and Webster.
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Speaker 1: And good to catch up with you.
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Speaker 2: I want to start off on the Sydney Swans scandal.
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Speaker 2: What's your assessment of the clubs and the AFL's response
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Speaker 2: so far?
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Speaker 5: Well, great to be with you, Chris.
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Speaker 6: Clearly the club have taken the higher ground and given
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Speaker 6: these players time out. It seems that they are directly
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Speaker 6: addressing the issue of respect. But in terms of what's
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Speaker 6: going on for police, as far as I know, no
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Speaker 6: charges have been laid. The fact of the matter though,
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Speaker 6: is that in Mali, for example, I've got about three
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Speaker 6: thousand senior footballers, men and women, and of course you've
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Speaker 6: got the whole junior sides underneath that, those thousands of
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Speaker 6: more young players who are looking to their professional heroes
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Speaker 6: to behave well. And to hold up the highest standards.
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Speaker 6: This is incumbent on the AFL to ensure that not
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Speaker 6: only due process is followed, but that higher standards result
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Speaker 6: from this.
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Speaker 2: There's no doubt about that, and it troubles me greatly
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Speaker 2: the example set for young supporters. My two little boys,
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Speaker 2: younger boys, teenage boys are Swan supporters. Obviously, Isaac Heating
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Speaker 2: and Chad Warner are great heroes of theirs, so there
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Speaker 2: are uncomfortable conversations to be had. But the other point
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Speaker 2: here is that this was a team that was really
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Speaker 2: set for a big finals series, possible premiership, and they
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Speaker 2: have now voluntarily ruled out for the rest of the
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Speaker 2: season five of their best players, certainly three of their
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Speaker 2: best half dozen players, so they have been prepared to
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Speaker 2: completely sacrifice their footy. I would have thought to make
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Speaker 2: a stand against this. I would have thought this was
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Speaker 2: a pretty compelling statement about the levels of tolerance that
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Speaker 2: are going to be applied both the Swans and across
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Speaker 2: the competition.
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Speaker 6: Absolutely, and it's good to see because, as you've pointed out,
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Speaker 6: with your boys and with all the young ones who
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Speaker 6: love their footy and hero worship their favorite players, this matters,
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Speaker 6: and you know you can't have bad behavior that becomes normalized,
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Speaker 6: and we've seen too much of it, sadly, people who
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Speaker 6: are in power. Doesn't matter who you are, wherever you are,
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Speaker 6: whether it's sport or whether it's politics or whatever media,
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Speaker 6: you know, there are higher standards expected because there are
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Speaker 6: so many people watching all of us.
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Speaker 2: Yes, spot on, let's get back to your political area,
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Speaker 2: and we've discussed with you previously the plans for transmission
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Speaker 2: lines right across western Victoria and the local opposition that's
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Speaker 2: your neck of the woods. Let's have a look back
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Speaker 2: at some of the stuff we've covered then the Victorian Malley. Today,
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Speaker 2: locals gathered in two towns to discuss projects planned in
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Speaker 2: their area, including the VNI West, the Victoria and New
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Speaker 2: South Wales Interconnector, designed to share power between the states
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Speaker 2: and link up multiple renewable energy projects.
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Speaker 6: Mental health was raised. Communities being divided against communities, neighbor
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Speaker 6: against neighbor, even husband against wife.
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Speaker 7: It's an incredibly frustrating process and really damaging to people's
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Speaker 7: emotional wellbeing.
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Speaker 2: And we've been on this case for years. Good news
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Speaker 2: for you today. In the Victorian opposition, leader Wilson has
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Speaker 2: said if they win the election in November.
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Speaker 1: They'll scrap the project. What are your thoughts?
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Speaker 6: Oh, well, you know, on my inside, I can tell
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Speaker 6: you that I am hooting for joy. This will make
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Speaker 6: a very big difference to the mental health, to the
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Speaker 6: sense of future that our farmers are facing. I have
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Speaker 6: proudly stood on those steps in Spring Street in Canberra,
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Speaker 6: in Ballarat to see the Prime Minister chased out of
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Speaker 6: town by tractors, you may recall, and they were strong
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Speaker 6: positions that I was very proud to stand with all
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Speaker 6: of my farmers and I am so pleased for them
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Speaker 6: that today the Coalition has made a very clear statement
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Speaker 6: that they will scrap Van I West.
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Speaker 2: What will the implications be for the electricity grid?
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Speaker 1: Where will.
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Speaker 2: Another interconnector be built or other forms of generation be supplied.
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Speaker 6: Look, our position at a federal level, of course, that's
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Speaker 6: the part I know about, is that we want cheaper energy,
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Speaker 6: we want it fairer, and there are places in the
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Speaker 6: city where there are better places to have solar, industrial
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Speaker 6: size solar. We certainly don't want to see prime agricultural
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Speaker 6: land taken up with industrial renewable energy zones. That has
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Speaker 6: been really clear right from the get go. You may
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Speaker 6: recall that's why I put together drafted legislation to protect
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Speaker 6: prime agricultural land. That legislation I hope we'll be able
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Speaker 6: to take forward into the election because we must protect
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Speaker 6: our agg land. It's another subject for us to deviate into.
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Speaker 6: But food security is becoming a serious risk.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well said, and thanks very much, and yeah, congratulations
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Speaker 2: on that development. There's an election that they have to
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Speaker 2: win first, but it's a great policy change, great policy
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Speaker 2: announcement today. And Webster they're the Nationals member for Mali
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Speaker 2: in Western Victoria. They're joining us flyve from Canberra now.
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Speaker 2: The Coalition is calling for a fresh inquiry into the
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Speaker 2: ABC after the broadcaster was forced to sack a former
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Speaker 2: BIKI turned reporter, Marmod Fuzzle. At least five of his
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Speaker 2: reports have been taken down over discredited interviews and sources,
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Speaker 2: including an episode where the ABC used taxpayers money to
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Speaker 2: rent a flash car so that could make someone look
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Speaker 2: like they were a high level drug.
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Speaker 1: Dealer when they weren't. Here's a reminder.
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Speaker 8: I got some nice wheels the driver, take you shoe
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Speaker 8: spots around Sydney, take some stories, show some things.
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Speaker 1: What does all of this mean to you?
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Speaker 7: Rolling around in a car like this, living in a
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Speaker 7: leafy north Shore suburb, considering how you grew up means everything.
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Speaker 1: The murk that we paid for for a fake story.
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Speaker 2: As I put to Shadow Communications Minister Sarah Henderson, this
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Speaker 2: is an outrage our tax dollars being spent on fake
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Speaker 2: news at the National Broadcaster.
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Speaker 9: Chris, it is outrage just that's why I have called
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Speaker 9: for an independent inquiry into the facile four Corners scandal.
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Speaker 10: How could this possibly happen? How could this ex.
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Speaker 9: Bikey who was a member of a violent organized crime
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Speaker 9: gang be employed by four Corners in the first place,
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Speaker 9: He has no journalistic qualifications. And then when allegations of
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Speaker 9: severe wrongdoing were first raised in October twenty twenty four
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Speaker 9: through a fantastic investigative report by The Sydney Morning Herald's
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Speaker 9: Kate mclimott, the ABC did absolutely nothing, and in fact
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Speaker 9: there was a statement released saying that they think this
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Speaker 9: particular reporter is brilliant and they stand by his fact
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Speaker 9: based work. And then when there were further allegations of
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Speaker 9: wrongdoing rays with both the former managing director David Anderson
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Speaker 9: and the former head of News and oign Affairs, Justin Stevens.
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Speaker 10: They did nothing.
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Speaker 9: That is why I am calling for an independent inquiry.
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Speaker 9: The ABC must get to the bottom of this. Australians
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Speaker 9: deserve much better, Chris, they sure do.
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Speaker 2: But this bloke's already been fired by the ABC. They've
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Speaker 2: taken down five reports that are based on his work.
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Speaker 2: They have their own editorial policies, they have their own
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Speaker 2: ABC ombudsman. So what difference would this independent inquiry.
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Speaker 9: Make Because Australians deserve transparency and accountability when it comes
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Speaker 9: to nearly one point three billion dollars which has spent
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Speaker 9: every single year on the ABC courtesy of Australian taxpayers.
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Speaker 10: Now, I can only assume that the former head.
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Speaker 9: Of Investigations at the ABC, Joe Paccini, who suddenly resigned
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Speaker 9: last week, and she was of course overseeing four corners
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Speaker 9: during this period. I can only assume that she was
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Speaker 9: caught up in this, and perhaps she's been sacked as
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Speaker 9: a result of what has occurred. But we deserve full transparency.
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Speaker 9: How can this happen? Chris at the ABC's most pre
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Speaker 9: eminent current affairs program, and I have to say even
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Speaker 9: today there are very good, hard working ABC journalists, including
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Speaker 9: here at Canberra's Parliament House and they are shaking their
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Speaker 9: heads in horror and how this could have happened. It
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Speaker 9: has really brought the ABC into disrepute and we deserve
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Speaker 9: to know everything about this. If more people were involved
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Speaker 9: in covering this up, then they need to go and
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Speaker 9: as I say, there needs to be full transparency.
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Speaker 2: Look, I think you're right and I think most people
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Speaker 2: would agree with you. But doesn't this mean that the
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Speaker 2: onboardsman that the ABC is redundant. There's no point in
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Speaker 2: having that onboodsman because she's not independent. You have to
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Speaker 2: go for an independent inquiry. That this means we need
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Speaker 2: a new mechanism to watch over the ABC.
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Speaker 9: Well, I think that's right, but we certainly need an
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Speaker 9: independent person to be brought in.
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Speaker 10: And inquire into all the facts.
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Speaker 9: There are some very sensitive legal issues involved in some
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Speaker 9: of the allegations against mister Fazal, but we need to
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Speaker 9: uncover everything that has gone wrong here. How can very
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Speaker 9: serious allegations be raised against a so called reporter at
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Speaker 9: four corners and then no action taken and this brings
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Speaker 9: into disrepute the ABC's standards right across the board. How
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Speaker 9: many other so called journalists at the ABC are not
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Speaker 9: suitably qualified. I have raised concerns about the fact that
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Speaker 9: the ABC has been hiring TikTok so called journalists without
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Speaker 9: I believe appropriate qualifications, and that's just not good enough.
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Speaker 9: It's a very very important role for any news organization.
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Speaker 9: Journalists must be properly trained to the higher standards, and
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Speaker 9: this is an absolute scandal, Chris, it.
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Speaker 1: Is, indeed.
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Speaker 2: But there have been a long list of transgressions, and
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Speaker 2: you bravely went through some of them on ABC Radio
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Speaker 2: this morning. But let me remind our viewers about some
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Speaker 2: of them.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: Back in twenty eighteen, Sarah ferguson the Story of the Century.
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Speaker 2: They called it a three part four Corners series that
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Speaker 2: effectively said Vladimir Putin installed Donald Trump into the White House,
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Speaker 2: a ridiculous and debunked conspiracy theory still available on ABC platforms. Then,
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Speaker 2: of course, in twenty twenty there was the famous fake
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Speaker 2: gunshots reporting. I think that was on seven point thirty
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Speaker 2: rather than four Corners, where Heston Russell was fitted up
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Speaker 2: as a war criminal when the ABC dockted the footage,
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Speaker 2: changed the footage around and added extra gunshots. They've admitted
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Speaker 2: that mistake but said it was just an honest mistake. Then,
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Speaker 2: of course in twenty twenty one, again Donald Trump was
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Speaker 2: the focus. Again Sarah Ferguson involved. They cut up the
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump's speech on that January day in Washington of
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Speaker 2: the Capitol Hill Rights and just like the BBC cut
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Speaker 2: it up to make it look like Donald Trump was
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Speaker 2: encouraging violence when he actually demanded a peaceful protest.
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Speaker 1: There are so many examples here.
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Speaker 2: Sarah Henderson doesn't mean that we actually need rather than
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Speaker 2: just one inquiry into one journalist at the ABC, we
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Speaker 2: need a broader inquiry into what on earth is happening
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Speaker 2: at the National broadcaster.
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Speaker 8: Well.
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Speaker 9: I certainly tried to get up a parliamentary inquiry in
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Speaker 9: the Senate last year looking into the ABC's failures, particularly
23:36
Speaker 9: with its impartiality and accuracy standards. That was voted down
23:41
Speaker 9: by the Government and by the Greens. And that's the
23:44
Speaker 9: problem with establishing a Senate inquiry. Unless we can get
23:47
Speaker 9: the support of the Greens, we can't get anything up.
23:51
Speaker 9: But at the very least, because this scandal is unfolding
23:54
Speaker 9: right now, we need an independent inquiry into what has
23:57
Speaker 9: gone wrong here. And of course there are many other
24:00
Speaker 9: transgressions we've seen the shocking program and the horrific images
24:06
Speaker 9: depicted about.
24:07
Speaker 10: Gina Ryan Hart.
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Speaker 9: It took the ABC far too long to apologize. I
24:13
Speaker 9: just think standards are declining very rapidly, certainly since the
24:17
Speaker 9: time that I worked there. I'm sure since you work there, Chris,
24:21
Speaker 9: and the ABC has got to be accountable. And this
24:24
Speaker 9: is all about making sure that the ABC is accountable.
24:28
Speaker 9: I do want to make the point the current managing
24:30
Speaker 9: director and editor in chief Hu Marx was not, of course,
24:34
Speaker 9: there when mister Fazile was hired, and I do believe
24:37
Speaker 9: it looks like mister Marks acted reasonably quickly in relation
24:41
Speaker 9: to mister Fizzile's exination. But we need to ensure that
24:47
Speaker 9: we know everything about what has gone wrong and anyone
24:50
Speaker 9: involved in this heads master roll.
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Speaker 2: Most people would agree with you, I'm certain, Sarah Henderson,
24:57
Speaker 2: thanks so much for joining us. Thanks Chris, Yeah, fascinating stuff.
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Speaker 1: Keep the pressure on them. It's just not good enough.
25:04
Speaker 2: I want to give you some breaking news on the
25:07
Speaker 2: Swan scandal now and nine Footy reporter Cal Toomey is
25:10
Speaker 2: reporting that the five banned Sydney Swan's players will not
25:14
Speaker 2: be considered by the AFL for the All Australian squad,
25:19
Speaker 2: though five players not to be considered by the AFL
25:22
Speaker 2: according to nine for all Australian honors, and quite frankly,
25:27
Speaker 2: Isaac Heeney and Chad.
25:28
Speaker 1: Warner at least would have been in the running for
25:31
Speaker 1: that for sure. We will take a break.
25:33
Speaker 2: On the other side of that, Donald Trump pushing for
25:36
Speaker 2: a meeting with Kim John Un.
25:38
Speaker 1: Tom Switzer will join me now.
25:47
Speaker 2: Intriguingly, US President Donald Trump has ordered joint military drills
25:50
Speaker 2: with South Korea to be scaled back, the US president
25:55
Speaker 2: labeling them as hostile.
25:57
Speaker 1: Here's the latest from Fox News.
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Speaker 11: Military drills with South Korea began on Monday, but it's
26:03
Speaker 11: a much smaller affair this year. After President Trump ordered
26:06
Speaker 11: the Pentagon to scale them back, the President cited his
26:09
Speaker 11: friendly relationship with North Korean leader Kim Jong mun, as
26:12
Speaker 11: well as South Korea's lack of support for the Iran War,
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Speaker 11: writing in part quote, these exercises are not only costly,
26:19
Speaker 11: with much of these costs paid for by the United
26:22
Speaker 11: States of America as usual, but sent a signal that
26:25
Speaker 11: is totally inappropriate and hostile. It was an unexpected move
26:29
Speaker 11: that came just days after South Korea's president offered the
26:32
Speaker 11: North and Olive branch.
26:35
Speaker 2: Joining me now is columnist at the Australian Tom Switzer,
26:37
Speaker 2: Tom Good to talk to you again. This is unusual
26:40
Speaker 2: and an American president sort of putting the pressure on South
26:43
Speaker 2: Korea Korea and closing up to Kim Jong mun in Pyongyang.
26:48
Speaker 1: What's going on?
26:50
Speaker 12: Well, this is the same South Korea that Pete Hegsheth,
26:53
Speaker 12: Donald Trump's war secretary has praised in the last few
26:56
Speaker 12: months for increasing their defense spending to three point five
26:59
Speaker 12: percent of GDP. And I think it sends a terrible
27:02
Speaker 12: single by being tough on South Korea here, it's ins
27:05
Speaker 12: a terrible single to both US allies in Europe and
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Speaker 12: Asia that Donald Trump's America is becoming an increasingly unreliable ally.
27:13
Speaker 2: Well, Trump says he actually wants to meet with Kim
27:16
Speaker 2: Jong on. He's met him before, of course, the first
27:18
Speaker 2: time he was president. Here's some more from Donald Trump.
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Speaker 13: South Korea has been protected by US for many, many years,
27:25
Speaker 13: and during my first term they agreed to pay close
27:28
Speaker 13: to three billion dollars a year for protection because we
27:31
Speaker 13: don't you know, they essentially weren't they And I asked
27:35
Speaker 13: him to do that at my request, I said, done it.
27:37
Speaker 13: They weren't happy about it, but they agreed. I asked
27:40
Speaker 13: for ten billion dollars and they were very unhappy, but
27:46
Speaker 13: we agreed for a short term that it would be
27:48
Speaker 13: three billion dollars. The next year would go up, and
27:50
Speaker 13: the next year would go up, so they start paying
27:52
Speaker 13: for their protection. I'm making it much safer, you see,
27:55
Speaker 13: I'm actually making it much safer. Kim Jong Un is
27:59
Speaker 13: always true me with great.
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Speaker 2: Respect, always the deal, and always the strong man diplomacy.
28:05
Speaker 2: But wouldn't there be the prospect here that Donald Trump
28:09
Speaker 2: is trying to trying to strike a deal with Kim
28:11
Speaker 2: Jong Un to stop sending North Korean soldiers to Russia
28:16
Speaker 2: for Russia to use in Ukraine.
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Speaker 14: Yeah.
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Speaker 12: I don't think that's a game changer in Russia or Ukraine.
28:21
Speaker 12: I mean, the bigger point here is why is Trump
28:25
Speaker 12: doing this? Why is he picking on a long time
28:28
Speaker 12: ally in South Korea?
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Speaker 1: Well, that's exact composing be part of that reason, a
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Speaker 1: large part.
28:33
Speaker 12: I just think he's trying to change their narrative from
28:36
Speaker 12: the debarkle in the Strait of Hormuz, and he clearly
28:39
Speaker 12: has no answers to that. Debarkle, and so he's just
28:41
Speaker 12: trying to find a way of encouraging his new friend
28:44
Speaker 12: Kim Jong un to dismantle his nuclear program. But the
28:47
Speaker 12: reality is the North Koreans are not going to dismantle
28:50
Speaker 12: their nuclear program because they see nuclear weapons as the
28:54
Speaker 12: ultimate deterrent to an attack. They've seen what the Americans
28:57
Speaker 12: did with the Iraq and Saddam us saying in two
28:59
Speaker 12: thousand and three, Gaddafi in twenty eleven after he dismantled
29:03
Speaker 12: his nuclear program. He sees nuclear weapons as the ultimate
29:06
Speaker 12: deterrent to a foreign attack.
29:07
Speaker 2: It's always been their position, and there's been no ramping
29:10
Speaker 2: up of rehetoric from Trump about getting rid of their nukes.
29:13
Speaker 12: Look, what's happening here is that the Americans, because they're
29:16
Speaker 12: on the back foot in the Strait of hor Mooz,
29:18
Speaker 12: they're now redirectoring their their main aircraft carrier, the SS
29:22
Speaker 12: George Washington, from the Western Pacific to the Persian Gulf
29:28
Speaker 12: to replace the USS Abraham Lincoln. And this is all
29:32
Speaker 12: getting back to this miscalculation in Iran again, you know,
29:37
Speaker 12: a strategic debarcle. And it's really quite remarkable how the
29:41
Speaker 12: Americans have got themselves in this position.
29:42
Speaker 2: Well, the sixty days are up, there'll be no more talking.
29:45
Speaker 2: We can presume more military action in coming days.
29:47
Speaker 1: Came we I don't know.
29:48
Speaker 12: I think the problem with the military action is that
29:50
Speaker 12: there is extreme munition shortages, as the Wall Street Journal
29:54
Speaker 12: has reported on its front page several times. But also
29:56
Speaker 12: the Americans know that the Iranians, with their ballistic missiles
29:59
Speaker 12: CRUs are more than capable of striking at America's sonny
30:03
Speaker 12: golf allies.
30:04
Speaker 1: Well, we'll keep an eye on that.
30:06
Speaker 2: We've been talking about it for a long time and
30:09
Speaker 2: very little has changed. I want to come back to
30:11
Speaker 2: my documentary because I've interviewed for the documentary The Fight
30:14
Speaker 2: for the Right, and this little exchange you managed to
30:17
Speaker 2: riff off in your column in The Australian on the weekend.
30:19
Speaker 1: Have a look. Do you know who the president is?
30:23
Speaker 13: No?
30:23
Speaker 5: I don't know his name. I can't remember his name.
30:25
Speaker 2: You can't remember the name of the president of Indonesia Indonesia, No,
30:29
Speaker 2: I can't. Well you can imagine Tom, how much abuse
30:33
Speaker 2: I've got. They've got your question, they say, But I mean,
30:36
Speaker 2: as you would know. One foreign leader that an Australian
30:39
Speaker 2: leader must deal with high priority is Indonesia. You would
30:43
Speaker 2: expect anyone who's going to be involved in foreign policy
30:45
Speaker 2: in this country to know the president of Indonesia if
30:48
Speaker 2: you went for Brunei or the Philippines or Vietnam. Maybe
30:51
Speaker 2: a bit of a trick question, but they need to
30:53
Speaker 2: be on top of it.
30:54
Speaker 12: I think Bowyn Hansen's advisors should be better prepared. I
30:56
Speaker 12: mean's a bit like George W. Bush when he ran
30:59
Speaker 12: for president and two early on in the primaries he
31:01
Speaker 12: was asked these kind of questions about the leaders of
31:04
Speaker 12: South Korea and Taiwan and China, and he failed as well.
31:08
Speaker 12: He ended up being president. This isn't a huge stepback,
31:10
Speaker 12: be plowing Hanson.
31:11
Speaker 1: But I think a big point. But it goes to
31:13
Speaker 1: a bigger point it does.
31:14
Speaker 12: I think if you're running for prime minister, and she
31:15
Speaker 12: clearly is, she needs to get on top of these issues.
31:18
Speaker 12: But the other thing too, Chris her striking ignorance, I
31:21
Speaker 12: think shows that Indonesia is just not the public possy
31:25
Speaker 12: issue that it was in the ninety nineties and the
31:27
Speaker 12: two thousands.
31:28
Speaker 1: You know, right now we.
31:30
Speaker 12: Are Indonesian language enrollments in high schools all across the
31:36
Speaker 12: country has collapsed, eighty percent since two thousand and There
31:40
Speaker 12: was a recent parliamentary report show that if those trends continue,
31:44
Speaker 12: Indonesian languages will be extinct in five years time.
31:47
Speaker 1: See this is a very good point.
31:48
Speaker 2: We never hear Anthony Albernezi or Penny Wong talk about Indonesia.
31:52
Speaker 2: They're more interested in demonizing israel I. Mean, this is
31:55
Speaker 2: a country of getting close out three hundred million people,
31:58
Speaker 2: the largest Muslim democracy in the world. Incredible of course,
32:03
Speaker 2: strategic importance to Australia, but incredible potential there for economic
32:08
Speaker 2: partnerships and development.
32:09
Speaker 12: And whatever you say about poor Keating. As Prime Minister,
32:12
Speaker 12: he recognized the importance of having a close relationship with Indonesia.
32:15
Speaker 12: John Howard did as well, Alexander Downey, your olebos But
32:19
Speaker 12: unfortunately in recent times, particularly under Albinezi, which is hardly
32:22
Speaker 12: talk about, East.
32:23
Speaker 1: Asia dropped off the Rada. All right, thanks for.
32:24
Speaker 2: Joining us, Thanks Chris, Tom Switzer, he'll be in part
32:27
Speaker 2: of You'll see him in the Fight for the Right
32:29
Speaker 2: next Tuesday night as well.
32:31
Speaker 1: We're going to get to a break on the other
32:33
Speaker 1: side of that.
32:33
Speaker 2: Can I get into the BBC in Britain because they're
32:36
Speaker 2: in similar strife to the ABC.
32:38
Speaker 1: Here, Esther Cracker will join me.
32:45
Speaker 8: Now.
32:45
Speaker 2: At the top of the program, I spoke with Sarah
32:47
Speaker 2: Henderson about how the ABC is obsessed with, among other things,
32:51
Speaker 2: denouncing and misrepresenting US President Donald Trump. So you'll recall
32:56
Speaker 2: that Donald Trump is suing the BBC for ten billion
32:59
Speaker 2: the American dollars over an episode of their Panorama program
33:03
Speaker 2: which edit together edited together two different sections of the
33:07
Speaker 2: speech he gave before the twenty twenty one Capitol Hill riots.
33:11
Speaker 2: Here's a reminder of the edit and the original clip.
33:15
Speaker 14: We're going to walk down to the Capitol and I'll
33:19
Speaker 14: be there with you, and we fight.
33:22
Speaker 1: We fight like hell.
33:23
Speaker 14: We're going to walk down to the Capitol and we're
33:29
Speaker 14: going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women.
33:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, and later on he talked about a peaceful protest. Now,
33:39
Speaker 2: the BBC is looking to subpoena members of Trump's family
33:42
Speaker 2: for documents and testimony and for more. Let's go to
33:46
Speaker 2: the UK and catch up with writer and broadcaster Esther Krakhu.
33:50
Speaker 1: Esther, this court case is getting serious.
33:52
Speaker 2: There's no doubt that the BBC drastically misrepresented the president.
33:58
Speaker 2: I suppose the question is is whether I'm not that's defamatory.
34:02
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, they kind of shot their own case
34:05
Speaker 5: in the foot by apologizing to Donald Trump and admitting
34:09
Speaker 5: the fact that they had misled the public by the
34:12
Speaker 5: way they spliced that video and used two different sections
34:16
Speaker 5: of the speech which were fifteen minutes apart. So it
34:20
Speaker 5: was even like close in minutes, it was almost an
34:22
Speaker 5: hour apart. So clearly there was something deliberate that happened
34:25
Speaker 5: there that was malicious. But now they're trying to subpoena
34:29
Speaker 5: Evanka Trump and Donald Trump Junior, and they're arguing that
34:33
Speaker 5: maybe the way that they spliced the video might not
34:35
Speaker 5: have been as inaccurate as Donald Trump is claiming or defamatory.
34:40
Speaker 5: And so the reason why they're trying to subpoena his
34:42
Speaker 5: two kids is that they said they're arguing that they
34:45
Speaker 5: were there when this speech was being written, so they
34:47
Speaker 5: can testify to the spirit within which the speech was written.
34:51
Speaker 5: So maybe actually what he really meant to say was fight, fight, Fight.
34:55
Speaker 5: It seems I'm actually quite astonished that the BBC's lawyers
34:58
Speaker 5: even thought that was a good strategy. The case is
35:01
Speaker 5: going to trial in February in Miami, and so I
35:04
Speaker 5: would think that this would probably be a good time
35:06
Speaker 5: to be asking to settle, But there doesn't seem like
35:09
Speaker 5: something that they're interested in. I'm so shocked that after
35:13
Speaker 5: publicly admitting that they actually did something wrong, they're now
35:17
Speaker 5: trying to find a way to justify it. And if
35:18
Speaker 5: you thought the BBC couldn't go lower in public opinion,
35:21
Speaker 5: well there is always there's always digging to hell, I suppose.
35:25
Speaker 9: So.
35:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Jorlie, our own public broadcaster here, used a
35:29
Speaker 2: similar edit of that same speech which I picked up.
35:33
Speaker 2: And look, it's not quite as egregious because I didn't
35:36
Speaker 2: use something from the fifty five minutes later, but the
35:39
Speaker 2: same intent, getting rid of his his declaration to the
35:45
Speaker 2: crowds there that they should be peaceful, they should be
35:48
Speaker 2: protesting peacefully, and hamming.
35:50
Speaker 1: It up to try and make it look like he
35:51
Speaker 1: was encouraging violence. I mean, it's pretty egregious.
35:55
Speaker 5: Yes, it doesn't get more irresponsible than that, especially when
35:58
Speaker 5: it comes from a national broadcast and the state broadcaster.
36:03
Speaker 5: And so you have to question one why there wasn't
36:06
Speaker 5: any sort of fact checking. Actually you don't have to
36:09
Speaker 5: question it because we know why, because the BBC has
36:12
Speaker 5: as much intellectual diversity as my big toe, which is zero.
36:16
Speaker 5: They may look different, but they all think the same,
36:18
Speaker 5: which is the kind of diversity that the BBC is
36:20
Speaker 5: interested in. It's all middle class individuals from particular who
36:23
Speaker 5: have particular worldviews, who pretend to be impartial and who
36:26
Speaker 5: pretend to look at it try and present the world
36:29
Speaker 5: from an impartial and hard hitting journalistic lens, but really
36:32
Speaker 5: they have a worldview that they're interested in pushing. And
36:34
Speaker 5: then when they get caught they say, oh, we're sorry,
36:36
Speaker 5: but actually we're not sorry because we might have been right.
36:39
Speaker 5: So let's try and subpoena two individuals who are under
36:41
Speaker 5: Secret Service protection and cannot be handled a court order
36:44
Speaker 5: because no one can really verify their wreabouts at any
36:47
Speaker 5: given time. That's what happens when the children of the
36:49
Speaker 5: president and the Secret Service is protecting you. So they've
36:51
Speaker 5: even gone as far as asking the court to be
36:55
Speaker 5: able to subpoena them via mail or email. Anyway, this
36:59
Speaker 5: is not a good look. I don't really see the
37:00
Speaker 5: point of them apologizing if they were going to try
37:02
Speaker 5: and backtrack in this embarrassing and sort of unhopeful way.
37:07
Speaker 5: But we'll have to wait and see again that the
37:08
Speaker 5: court cases a few months away in February. Maybe they
37:11
Speaker 5: might come to some sort of settlement before then, but
37:13
Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure that Donald Trump will make them give
37:15
Speaker 5: an even more groveling apology before he agrees to anything
37:17
Speaker 5: of that sort.
37:18
Speaker 2: Indeed, let's get back to the migration crisis in Britain.
37:21
Speaker 2: You've spoken to us before about the problem of the
37:23
Speaker 2: government just damping asylum seekers into various communities, into hotels
37:28
Speaker 2: and the like.
37:28
Speaker 1: There's been a.
37:29
Speaker 2: Kafaffle in a quiet Welsh village where people have suddenly
37:34
Speaker 2: found that there are asylum seekers moving in. Here's the
37:38
Speaker 2: Conservative leader in Wiles, Darren Miller.
37:41
Speaker 1: Well.
37:41
Speaker 15: Residents in gron And were completely blindsided by this news.
37:44
Speaker 15: There was absolutely no prior engagement with them or any
37:47
Speaker 15: elected representatives about the plans to house asylum seekers in
37:52
Speaker 15: the locality. It's got to be in the locations where
37:56
Speaker 15: they can access the support that they need, not sleepy
37:59
Speaker 15: Welsh villages. And I'm afraid this lack of engagement has
38:02
Speaker 15: caused an absolute uproar and it's fueling community tensions.
38:07
Speaker 2: I can understand exactly what that politician is saying.
38:10
Speaker 1: There is so this is just This is fraught on so.
38:13
Speaker 2: Many levels, and presumably it's happening all across the UK.
38:18
Speaker 5: Oh yes, I mean Andy Burnham is planning on, in
38:20
Speaker 5: his words, dispersing the number of asylum seekers across the
38:24
Speaker 5: country so that richer areas play their fair part. It's
38:27
Speaker 5: quite ironic that those richer areas somehow also coincide with
38:30
Speaker 5: libdem Green and labor areas. And I'm pretty sure those
38:34
Speaker 5: politicians who seem to be the most enthusiastic about having
38:37
Speaker 5: more asylum seekers in the country will have something to
38:39
Speaker 5: say about it. I mean, we've already seen the hypocrisy
38:41
Speaker 5: with the Greens in places like Bristol West, who are
38:45
Speaker 5: very adamant that we need more asylum seekers, but suddenly
38:48
Speaker 5: there's no room in their constituency when they're being asked
38:51
Speaker 5: to step up and house them. And at the end
38:53
Speaker 5: of the day, you know, the government has been trying
38:54
Speaker 5: to fluff up the numbers, saying we're closing down asylum hotels.
38:57
Speaker 5: That's not what's happening. What's happening is companies like Circle
39:00
Speaker 5: are offering landlords above market root runs to be able
39:04
Speaker 5: to rent their houses to the government so that they
39:07
Speaker 5: can house dozens of predominantly male asylum seekers in h
39:11
Speaker 5: of Tho's multiple occupancy homes. So you have inconspicuous homes
39:14
Speaker 5: on people's streets that are housing dozens of men, early single.
39:18
Speaker 1: Men, exactly such to worry.
39:21
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, as sir, I appreciate it destocraticly.
39:23
Speaker 2: There live from the UK. We are to get to
39:26
Speaker 2: a break on the other side of the Wednesday wrangle.
39:27
Speaker 2: We'll get back into the Swan scandal and go away.
39:35
Speaker 2: Let's get on to the Wednesday wrangle now with James
39:37
Speaker 2: Bold here in the studio with me and Justin Smith
39:40
Speaker 2: in Melbourne. Guys, I want to show you something first
39:43
Speaker 2: because it's an extraordinary issue we've talked about before. That
39:46
Speaker 2: is the ridiculous level of exercise on cigarettes and the
39:50
Speaker 2: way that's created a black market industry. Well, One Nation
39:53
Speaker 2: have come out with a strong policy. Here's Pauline Hansen
39:56
Speaker 2: from yesterday.
39:57
Speaker 16: We need to cut off the cash for organized crime
40:00
Speaker 16: and we need to cut the tobacco tax by seventy
40:02
Speaker 16: five percent. Labor handed the tobacco market to organized crime.
40:06
Speaker 16: One Nation will take it back.
40:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, now we all can see that's what's happening.
40:11
Speaker 2: The reason the black market is happening is because cigarettes
40:14
Speaker 2: are so expensive. So have a listen to the labor
40:18
Speaker 2: Premier of New South Wales this morning.
40:20
Speaker 8: Well, to be honest with you, I've been calling for
40:23
Speaker 8: the same thing for about a year, so it'd be
40:27
Speaker 8: pretty disingenuous to come on after one nation agreed with
40:32
Speaker 8: that policy and say they're wrong. So I'm not going
40:35
Speaker 8: to say that. I mean, the grim reality is that
40:38
Speaker 8: the excise has pushed up the legal cost of cigarettes
40:42
Speaker 8: in our economy and at the same time the black
40:45
Speaker 8: market has exploded.
40:48
Speaker 2: How about that, James, A one nation policy being pushed
40:51
Speaker 2: by a labor premier to a labor federal government.
40:54
Speaker 17: Yeah, it's simple economics. So yeah, Chris Means is right.
40:57
Speaker 17: He's been good on this for a while and I
40:59
Speaker 17: think it's like it's both brave politics but also just
41:02
Speaker 17: incredibly a killer politics for one nation. It'd be you
41:04
Speaker 17: know what, We're going to go really forceful on this.
41:06
Speaker 17: We're going to speak about it a lot because people,
41:08
Speaker 17: you know, I think politicians fear that they're going to
41:11
Speaker 17: be seen as a party that wants to bring down
41:12
Speaker 17: the cost of cigarettes and get more people smoking. I
41:14
Speaker 17: don't think anyone with a genuine interest in this topic.
41:17
Speaker 17: Actually thinks a politician that wants to lower tobacco excise
41:20
Speaker 17: wants that. I think they can just see the writing
41:22
Speaker 17: on the wall that this sort of policy has just
41:24
Speaker 17: led to the organized crime, led to so much fear
41:27
Speaker 17: in the community, and they just want change. I don't
41:29
Speaker 17: think this is the toxic political football at politicians might
41:33
Speaker 17: believe it is.
41:34
Speaker 1: It's just common sense. So justin you're at the front
41:36
Speaker 1: line of this.
41:36
Speaker 2: In Melbourne, we have had all sorts of you know,
41:39
Speaker 2: organized crime, fights and fires in shops and the like,
41:43
Speaker 2: all over chop chop, all over illegal tobacco. And this
41:47
Speaker 2: is happening because the government is taxing the but Jesus
41:50
Speaker 2: out of legal tobacco.
41:54
Speaker 18: Oh man, absolutely. I mean, if you go out into
41:57
Speaker 18: South Bank here and you see a packet of cigarettes,
41:59
Speaker 18: or any packet of cigarettes that has been thrown on
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Speaker 18: the ground, are in a bin, if you turn it over,
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Speaker 18: you'll find an illegal packet, don't I can't remember the
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Speaker 18: last time I've seen a legal pack of cigarettes. It
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Speaker 18: is not just the one thing though, So the excise
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Speaker 18: is ridiculous. Has gone through the roof. But as the
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Speaker 18: excise went up, they also weren't policing the illegal version
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Speaker 18: of it at exactly the same time. So when you
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Speaker 18: put those two things together, keep lifting up the excise
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Speaker 18: and then failing to police. This is in different states,
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Speaker 18: but particularly in Victoria, failing to police the illegal version.
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Speaker 18: What's going to happen? Well, we've seen what happened. That
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Speaker 18: plays out every day on the streets of Melbourne. Look,
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Speaker 18: I'm not against dropping the excise because of the situation
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Speaker 18: we're in, but it could have been fixed a hell
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Speaker 18: of a lot earlier.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, spot on.
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Speaker 2: Let's move on to the housing crisis, and surprise, surprise,
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Speaker 2: when you increase taxes on housing and make it hard
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Speaker 2: for people to make money out.
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Speaker 1: Of housing, rents go up. Here is Ray White real Estate.
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Speaker 7: Looking purely at rental yield and understanding what investors need,
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Speaker 7: what sort of returns they require to come back into
43:11
Speaker 7: the market to offset those changes. Negative gearing would be
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Speaker 7: a result of rents are growing as much as thirty percent. However,
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Speaker 7: we understand that all markets operate very differently, and it's
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Speaker 7: not probably just rents going up at that sort of number.
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Speaker 5: It will be both a.
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Speaker 7: Combination of rents increasing but also some of those values
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Speaker 7: coming back.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, James, if you can't negatively gear, then you have
43:34
Speaker 2: to charge more in rent. If you're going to get
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Speaker 2: a lower capital gains tax because of capital gains tax changes,
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Speaker 2: you're going to get a lower lower profit at the end,
43:42
Speaker 2: then you have to charge more rent.
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Speaker 1: It's obvious.
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Speaker 17: Yeah, And let's go a big picture here. This was
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Speaker 17: supposed to be the budget that solved into generational equity
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Speaker 17: problems that really helped young people. We had the five
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Speaker 17: percent home deposits scheme, which is already looking like it's
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Speaker 17: going to send a lot of people into negative equity
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Speaker 17: in their homes. And now we have this situation and
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Speaker 17: where rents are going to go up, which is going
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Speaker 17: to hurt people's ability to save up for that exact
44:04
Speaker 17: housing deposit that they want to. So I just think,
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Speaker 17: like Chimes can say, this was a budget for young
44:08
Speaker 17: people with a party for young people. The level of
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Speaker 17: betrayal that young people are going to feel from what's
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Speaker 17: happened to them and this budget and what's going to
44:14
Speaker 17: happen to them and housing christ is going to go
44:16
Speaker 17: forward that is going to sit with them for a
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Speaker 17: very long time. And what was traditionally one of Labour's
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Speaker 17: strongest voting bases is going to abandon them.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you a sideline of this was after the
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Speaker 2: Opposition went big on what ray White, the company ray
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Speaker 2: White had said on this issue in Parliament today, Clara O'Neill,
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Speaker 2: the Housing Minister, had this to say in response.
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Speaker 10: We should try to speak the truth in this chamber.
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Speaker 7: Whenever we have a massive and comprehensive policy that we
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Speaker 7: are putting in place that supports renters.
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Speaker 1: There we go. I thought this was hilarious, Justine.
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Speaker 2: The Labor Party under our BEERNIZI are in no position
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Speaker 2: to talk about truth and lies and political debate.
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Speaker 18: Look, and surely some of the reaction that we're seeing
45:04
Speaker 18: to rent us here is the way that the policy
45:08
Speaker 18: was brought in. Now, if it hadn't have been brought
45:10
Speaker 18: in on that it might have been whether you agree
45:12
Speaker 18: or disagree with the policy itself or the change in
45:15
Speaker 18: the budget. If it had been brought in properly and
45:19
Speaker 18: it hadn't been based on the fact that they said
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Speaker 18: they weren't going to bring it in and then they did,
45:23
Speaker 18: confidence might be a little bit better, It might be
45:25
Speaker 18: a little bit softer, and we might not see the
45:29
Speaker 18: leap that we're seeing in Rent now. I think this
45:32
Speaker 18: is a lesson, sadly that'll be lost on the government.
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Speaker 18: I wish they would learn it, and I wish other
45:37
Speaker 18: politicians would learn it too, but it's probably going to
45:40
Speaker 18: get lost.
45:41
Speaker 2: All right, gentlemen, I want to go to the Sydney
45:43
Speaker 2: Swan scandal and some breaking news.
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Speaker 1: Here a statement that's come out that I'll reads you
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Speaker 1: from my phone.
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Speaker 2: This is hot off the press as a statement by
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Speaker 2: the players in question. It's a statement on behalf of
45:53
Speaker 2: Riley Bias, Nick Blakey, Isaac Heeney, James Jordan and Chad Warner.
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Speaker 2: They say, we are deeply so worry to everyone involved.
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Speaker 2: We know that our behavior has fallen well short of
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Speaker 2: the standards expected of us and the values of our club.
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Speaker 2: We know we have let down our partners and families, members, supporters, teammates,
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Speaker 2: the AFLW team, corporate partners, and everyone.
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Speaker 1: At the club and the wider community.
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Speaker 2: Accept the club's sanction and apologize for the impact this
46:25
Speaker 2: has had on those involved. Our focus will now be
46:28
Speaker 2: on rebuilding trust with the club and the community. Well
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Speaker 2: that's a pretty comprehensive apology there, just off the top
46:38
Speaker 2: of that. Justin your first take on this, not a
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Speaker 2: hell of a lot of focus there on the alleged
46:45
Speaker 2: victim here.
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Speaker 18: Now, look, well, let's start with the positive bit.
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Speaker 1: First.
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Speaker 18: The club seems to have handled it well in the
46:55
Speaker 18: fact that they've gone out straight away. They've owned up
46:58
Speaker 18: to everything that they can own up too. So that's
47:01
Speaker 18: the positive bit. The other part is, and we're not
47:03
Speaker 18: going to talk about this case particularly obviously, but we
47:06
Speaker 18: have seen over the years time and time again behavior
47:10
Speaker 18: from players, and every time it happens, we think, oh, jie, surely,
47:15
Speaker 18: surely they're going to learn from this, you know, and
47:17
Speaker 18: we're not going to see that kind of thing, and
47:19
Speaker 18: it just never bloody happens. I don't know what example
47:24
Speaker 18: can possibly ever come up that will stop players from
47:27
Speaker 18: behaving in the way that we've seen.
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Speaker 2: Now, James, I think the fact that this has such
47:32
Speaker 2: a big impact on the finals demonstrates how seriously this
47:35
Speaker 2: has been taken. Here's a club that's desperate to redeem
47:38
Speaker 2: itself in finals and they're doing this a couple of
47:40
Speaker 2: weeks out.
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Speaker 17: Yeah, I also want to mention no, I'm mentioning the
47:44
Speaker 17: alleged victim there, but I think I just be careful.
47:46
Speaker 17: I think that sponsors got mentioned.
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Speaker 2: I think that is wrong to mention we accept the
47:52
Speaker 2: club sanction and apologize for the impact this has had
47:56
Speaker 2: on those involved. That is perhaps a reference to the
47:59
Speaker 2: alleged but I agree there's not much.
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Speaker 17: Of a focus to what Justin said there. I think
48:03
Speaker 17: he's right in the sense that like, this is the
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Speaker 17: biggest story I can think of in any term of
48:09
Speaker 17: the AFL, and for what this is going to do
48:11
Speaker 17: to the finals, I think this has to be the
48:13
Speaker 17: last example of this because I just can't think of
48:16
Speaker 17: a bigger impact this has had on the health season
48:18
Speaker 17: spot on, Yes, but.
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Speaker 1: What's the point.
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Speaker 2: That is the point that this stuff has trumped the finals,
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Speaker 2: and I think that's the key point. Thanks for joining us,
48:27
Speaker 2: you get to wrap up very quickly, Justin Smith and
48:29
Speaker 2: James Bolt really appreciate. I just want to get time
48:31
Speaker 2: for some of your feedback. On that interview with IKEDA
48:35
Speaker 2: last night, Susan says Elbow's risking the women's vote by
48:38
Speaker 2: looking tricky and refusing to apologize over the melon Gate podcast,
48:43
Speaker 2: and another viewer says the melon incident is a reminder
48:46
Speaker 2: that even a small cultural slight can snowball into a
48:50
Speaker 2: diplomatic headache when pride, protocol and politics get mixed together.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for watching, We'll be back tomorrow night. Peter Kredlin's
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Speaker 1: up next. Cheers,