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Your Favorite MAGA Influencer Might Be a Communist w/ Brian O'Shea · Man in America Podcast

• 0:15
  Speaker 1: Welcome to Man in America, a voice of reason in a world gone mad. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. I'm not sure how you feel, but when I look around, whether it's on Twitter or just at the country through the lens of the news or, any different way you can see our country as a whole, it feels like it's more divided than it's ever been. Even if you go back in, say, 2020 after the election and the Stop the Steal rally and, yes, it was very divided, left versus right, but there was still unity in large pockets. Whereas I think that right now what's happened is that whatever large pockets are used to be, they have been split up into a thousand other smaller pockets, and there is in fighting like you couldn't believe.
• 1:01
  It's no longer the fighting of, say, a prominent, you know, conservative podcast arguing with a liberal podcast. It's these two conservative influencers arguing and fighting and hating each other, and these are the two, these are the two, and it's happening in every area. And when I see this happen, I'm very careful not to just jump in and take sides. I think that's also part of what we're trying to be baited into is, like, picking your side, I'm picking my side. I really try to just calmly observe and say, okay.
• 1:34
  What's really going on here? And who's gonna benefit from this? And so joining me today is my good friend Brian O'Shea, who's got a podcast, Investigate Everything. He's a former, or maybe encouraged, still taking some PI work, military background, intelligence background, really smart guy. And what we're gonna be looking at today is analyzing what's happening in America, where is this division coming from.
• 1:59
  And when you trace it down as we will in today's show, you can see it so much of it goes back to the Chinese Communist Party. And even talking about the CCP, which a couple of years ago, if I mentioned the CCP, people were were all ears. Okay. What's happening? What are their plans?
• 2:17
  But the CCP has quietly faded into the background, and what you also see is a lot of conservative, quote, unquote, MAGA people that are praising China and praising the CCP, which is very, very strange. But when you take a picture of the entire chessboard, what you can see is that there is a very deliberate strategy going on, and everything is happening with some sort of design behind it. And that's what we're gonna be digging into today is just to understand what's really going on. Because when you piece it all together, the picture you come out with is that our country is undergoing some sort of very significant change right now. It's not a change that's being orchestrated by our leaders or by our movements.
• 3:06
  It is being orchestrated by foreign enemies with a very, very concrete strategic goal to overthrow this country. And so we're gonna be talking about that. We're gonna be getting into Israel and Charlie Kirk, how to recognize a SIOP, and just a whole lot more. So this interview may not, it may not appeal to what you're looking for. If you're looking for someone just to come in and reinforce exactly what you think that's not what this is, it's actually about doing the opposite of that and say, okay, how can we make sure that we're really, really calm in looking what's happening and make sure that we're not too focused on this one issue to the point where we miss this other one's getting ready to blindside us?
• 3:44
  And so that's what we're doing on today's show. So I hope you enjoy it. If you're watching it on Rumble, thank you for supporting your free speech platform. Make sure you subscribe. Make sure you hit the thumbs up button.
• 3:54
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• 4:12
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• 4:56
  So, anyway, thank you in advance if you do that. I really appreciate you for doing that. So please enjoy the show with Brian O'Shea. Mister Brian O'Shea, it's good to have you back on the show, man. It's been way too long, but I'm really looking forward to this discussion with you today.
• 5:12
  So thanks for giving us your time.
• 5:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And thanks for having me. It was great to hear from you.
• 5:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Have a
• 5:17
  Speaker 2: lot to discuss.
• 5:17
  Speaker 1: We certainly do. And while there's a lot going on in the world, whether it's Venezuela or Iran or any other place where just everything's turning upside down, One of the things that I've witnessed, and I think you see it too, because we're both, you could say, a certain degree, inside some sort of conservative influencer kind of movement or space, and you see a lot. You see you have a different perspective as someone that knows a lot of the big characters saying things and whatnot, and you can watch different trends happen. And it's it's a unique position is to kinda sit back and reflect. And one thing that I've noticed very clearly over the past couple of years, but really the past year has really heated up, is just the massive division within the, you know, quote unquote, you know, right wing, influencers, or even more mainstream too, that there's just so much division.
• 6:18
  And it's hard to make sense of, I think, especially if you're using the historical lens, right? If you look at it, just kind of say, Okay, what's happening? Why is this happening? But if you know the patterns, everything, then it's easier to make sense of. And Well, I guess before we jump into, like, some of the heart of the topic, I'll let you just respond to that.
• 6:37
  Because I'd love to hear your thoughts from your viewpoint that you're perched at.
• 6:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. And look, I'm gonna say it, but I don't want to offend anyone. I saw it coming a mile away. And here's why. I grew up in a very poor family, working class.
• 6:54
  We made fun of people we called the yuppies or Twinkies. We all had long hair just like in the eighties. And so there was big class divides in Maine where I grew up. Or like the Socas, you know, the Socas of the greasers from the outsiders. So when I saw MAGA coming into power, so what I noticed was all these different it's different classes coming together.
• 7:16
  It's not like the Democrats where people tend to be middle and upper middle class, if not higher, however you want to define class. But all of a sudden, everyone's jammed into this power circle, this this top of the mountain. And there are bound to be fights, of course. And so a great example of this is anytime you see a city get gentrified, like Columbia Heights in DC, there's always a spiking crime because you're putting people who've never lived together on top of each other and some rob other ones and some don't have the same value and and ethics structure that the other ones might have. I think that's part of the problem, but there's some outside.
• 7:59
  And so what what you see happening is anyone who is close to Donald Trump suddenly became the enemy because they're part of the imperialist capital. Okay. Kind of like the hunger games. And so those heroes that kind of led us through, and we, you know, I think, do a significant role in leading through the pandemic and everything, the Biden stuff. All of a sudden, lot of those people got jobs.
• 8:29
  They got, you know, FBI deputy director. They became part of the administration.
• 8:37
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• 10:14
  Speaker 2: Those are the haves. And then there's the have nots. The people that didn't get offered a job. The people that applied for a MAHA job or a MAGA job didn't get it. Those are the have nots.
• 10:25
  And then there's the influencers that usually today's influencers usually are kind of relegated to like the far, far fringe right type crazy conspiracy stuff. People will get mad when I say this, but I'm talking like the flat earthers and stuff like that, which I don't care if anyone hates me for this. I think that's bonkers. All of a sudden, they are commanding seven figure audiences with some of their ideas. And a lot of this seems to have exploded with the death of Charlie Kirk.
• 11:00
  And we've seen not just the different theories on his assassination, but also theories that have popped off that about Israel running the world and crazy reasons why they're running the world with no sourcing, but people are listening to that. So I I think what we're seeing is a class clash or clash of, clash of classes that's being exploited by outside forces to create more and more division.
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's a lot to unpack there. And I think that one thing that I try to do is I try to I try to be very slow to respond. I really try to sit back and wait and observe and not jump to conclusions. I also think that that's how we're manipulated is when we get kind of forced into two buckets. And this is, like, when I'm looking at patterns like this, these are one of this is one of the patterns I see emerge is that you'll have an issue come out, and almost instantly, the issue becomes A or B.
• 12:12
  Right? And actually, I pulled up some text to kind of go over here with this because it's the like, one of the common techniques that we see is what we call the false dichotomy. Right? And this is a very common propaganda, which is as as it is put here, forcing people to pick only between two options. A is bad, so b must be good.
• 12:34
  But oath both a and b can actually be bad or flawed. Right? So the key idea is it creates a fall a false either or choice, hiding other possibilities or the truth that neither side is ideal. So the classic example in communist propaganda, they say that capitalism or fascism exploits and oppresses people, therefore communism is the only good alternative. Ignoring the fact that communist systems can also have serious problems like repression shortages, you know, mass death, etcetera.
• 12:59
  So it's also known as, you know, false dilemma, false binary, black and white thinking, either or fallacy. And this is something I I see emerge, but also, I really try my best to stick to what do I really feel about a situation through my own research. And, you know, with Charlie Kirk as an example, I don't believe the official narrative, you know, for a lot of reasons. I don't believe the official narrative. I didn't believe it from from day one.
• 13:26
  Like, I saw all kinds of things. It's like, this is the lone gunman. This is like Butler all again. This is JFK all again. But I also saw people that instantly, on day one, where Israel killed Charlie Kirk.
• 13:39
  And I looked at it and said, well, it's a possibility. Okay. Right? It's a possibility that South Africa killed Charlie Kirk. Correct.
• 13:47
  You know I mean? I said, okay. It's a possibility. And I looked into it. You know, I've done a lot.
• 13:52
  It's like, there are definitely some things that don't make sense for me. I still don't have the smoking gun evidence that they'll all come up there and say it's so absolute. And I think that's the issue, is that because these issues become so absolute, you either believe it or you don't believe it, that it's like you either you're kind of forced into these two camps of thinking either this tight this lone gunman, Tyler Robinson, did it. I believe the FBI story, hook, line, sinker, or or Netanyahu pressed a button and detonated some sort of drone and blew up Charlie. You know what mean?
• 14:24
  It's like you're kind of forcing those two camps instead of being in a place where you can say, hold on. Mhmm. I can see that there's things on both sides, and I think this is what happens. And I wanna I'll obviously, I'll you respond, but I wanna kinda dig in this deeper and start looking at how this ties into the CCP and some bigger things that I think are happening to help fan these flames. But I'll let you go ahead and respond to what I've said there.
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I I think there's another position that no one respects either that I tried to take is I'm I'm gonna wait and see. There's a trial coming up. There's evidence we cannot see. They cannot legally show it to us.
• 15:01
  They don't have to show us the FBI anything if they don't want to. I think it was a mistake to try to placate the crowd to begin with. So there's you can't even sit it out because if you sit it out, you must be getting 7,000 shekels of a tweet or something like that. So I hear you there. There are no in betweens.
• 15:23
  And I want to add to that. It's somehow the people that force you into these two ways of thinking. They also choose feelings over facts and fan the flames of their audience who get very emotional without any facts to bear. Far as and, you know, someone made a good point. I think it was Viva Fry the other day.
• 15:46
  I don't believe the official narrative. That doesn't mean I believe Israel did it. And I think he was just instinctively hitting on what you were just saying.
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: So Exactly. Exactly. Well, I think the other thing with that is that I think that again, I'm I'm trying my best to look at things through historical examples and patterns. And also, it's like when when JFK was assassinated, if anyone questioned it, they were labeled a conspiracy theorist. Right?
• 16:18
  That was we we know it was a concocted term. But I also think that with this is that if anyone even suggests it may have been Israel or they may have had anything, instantly, like, you're an anti Semite. Said, colon, that's not fair. Right? Because that's, again, that's that's using the same psychological tactic of creating a label.
• 16:36
  It's like if you if you, say, second guess the a certain jab for your kid, you're an anti vaxxer. It's like, hold on. You're just using this language that is so loaded, that it stops us from thinking critically. And so, yeah, I'm agree. I'm the same are both of you.
• 16:52
  It's just like, wait and observe. Right?
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I I I want to put a pin right there in that thing you said. The same tools that were used to vilify people who were questioning an untested jab are the same tools being used by what I would call the anti establishment fringe. Right. To call you pro Israel or an Israeli shill or something like that.
• 17:25
  You you must be working for Israel. It's Qatar or Israel. And but I gotta say it's all of the right that is doing it. You the the left is sitting back, I I believe, eating some popcorn and having a good old time watching. But it is interesting that you said that very same tactic is being used.
• 17:43
  Now I believe that's by design, and we could get into that later. But that's interesting that you called that out.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think you know, because I know that your show is called Investigate Everything. And I know that your background is, you know, in some form, private investigation. Right? And then you do a lot of investigative work.
• 18:04
  You know, you get people to say, oh, I'm an investigative journalist. It's like, okay. There's an investigative journalist, there's also someone who's a private investigator or someone who's contracted by a corporation or a military to go in and be oftentimes in in dangerous areas of the world and investigate. That's a whole new level of, diligence and investigation, right? If you're thinking about, do we drop the bomb on that target?
• 18:26
  Is my intel correct? That's different than, did McDonald's really put that ingredient in their french fries? Or is it, you know, it's a whole different realm. So, what are we mentioned kind of looking for patterns and whatnot. What are some of the things like what what litmus test do you have to to look at a situation and say, is there some sort of psychological operation being played out here?
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Well, I I never default to is there a psychological operation being played out because I worked in that field and we've talked about that before. And I can tell you, we would need the biggest intelligence apparatus in the history of mankind to carry out every psyop that people think is a psyop. I mean, I counted four ninety seven the other day. Just go through social media. But there's never any, Like, who cares?
• 19:21
  Like, why would they do? What are they site oping me to do or to not do? And I don't think people really who don't have training or experience in the intel world or the investigative world have the experience, let's say, with the SIOPs for the intel world experience, there's gotta be a reason. There's gotta be a deliverable. Everything is business even in the intel community.
• 19:45
  It's not people twirling their mustaches and adjusting their monocles and saying, how can we make people's life really hellish? There's like, okay. We want for an example, we want to establish strong relations with this tribe in Western Afghanistan. We need to make them like us more and like them less. There's a very definitive outcome there.
• 20:11
  When people say, PSYOP, I always ask that question. What are they trying to get you to do? And they can never answer it. Then on the investigative side, my litmus test is this. I've worked for defense teams investigating murder cases and defending murderers.
• 20:29
  I've gone through affidavits and we're talking affidavits. I mean, on much smaller murders. I don't want to say smaller in terms of the importance of the person, but in terms of publicity, I had one where it was probably four Xerox boxes full of affidavits. And yes, they still use Xerox boxes. That's what the defense gets to make it tougher for them to go through it.
• 20:56
  But the point is, what's the Charlie Kirk thing? There's just not enough information out there in public for anyone to really clearly say what happened. Now, the FBI and the state might probably do have enough information to say what clearly happened. They're going to have video that we're not going to see. They're going to have affidavits from every single person they could get to write an affidavit, including all of the cops who were there.
• 21:23
  And that's where you find most of your stuff. So my litmus test is where are the facts leading me? I don't make a theory and then try to find facts to support the theory. It's really what am I investigating? I'm investigating my own theory.
• 21:40
  I go through the facts, put them in daytime group order, sort them according to source, primary, secondary, tertiary, you know, publication, National Enquirer, social media, you know, they go in orders of importance and you just read it over and over. And then theories will emerge. Theories will emerge. And then the next thing you do, you come up with three theories based on the facts. Then you try to eliminate each theory.
• 22:09
  You don't try to prove each theory. You try to eliminate each one. The one you can't eliminate, that's one you pursue.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Interesting. Interesting. It's also when you're asking earlier, what's the what is the purpose of of a SIOP? It's I guess, far as I know, one of the most important questions in a murder case is what was the motive? Right?
• 22:30
  Yeah. Like, what was the reason that, you know, did John Doe did he just walk into some random house with a shotgun and kill the whole family? Is that of course, it happens. Right? But Right.
• 22:39
  What was there a motive behind it? And the one thing I wanna really hone in with you is something that I do believe there is a clear motive, and that is the role of the CCP in this. Because, you know, for those who've been following my own, you know, podcast journey or my background, I've spent a lot of my adult life trying to expose a lot of the atrocities of the Chinese Communist Party, right? Whether it's forced organ harvesting in the Falun Gong, what really happened in Tiananmen Square, know, Uighur concentration camps. I mean, I've interviewed literally interviewed a doctor that was forced to do organ harvesting that Mhmm.
• 23:18
  Had to flee China that told me, oh, yeah. The Uighurs are great for the CCP because the Uighurs are Muslim, and they've got halal organs. So all of their wealthy organ buyers in the Middle East are going to the Uighur concentration camps or that region to get, or having them shipped out to get their organs. It's like, okay, this is a guy that actually is from that region. Right?
• 23:38
  I think he was actually of a Uighur genealogy from Xinjiang region that escaped. Right? He was a he was a military surgeon, or he's a surgeon who was forced to do forced organ harvesting. It's there's a good firsthand source as to what's happening. But what I'm seeing with this is that, obviously, again, especially since, you know, October 7, since Charlie Kirk, the amount of scrutiny on Israel has been massive.
• 24:07
  Now I'm not gonna fall into, again, like, whole, you know, kind of false dichotomy, you know, thing and say, well, then because, say, I think the CCP is bad, it means that the Israel Israel is good. Or because CCP is bad, the US government is good. I mean, my own kind of perspective is that most of these governments are heavily corrupted. The intelligence agencies are oftentimes involved in very illicit activities and involved in color revolutions and assassinations and everything, whether it's the CIA, Mossad, the KGB, you know, back in their time, you know, Chinese intelligence, etcetera. Right?
• 24:45
  It's just like that's the playing field at that level. But what I've seen, though, is that at there's been just an insane amount of focus on Israel. And Mhmm. And I think a lot of it is valid. Right?
• 24:58
  I'm not gonna don't wanna get into kind of like the a or b. I think a lot of it is valid. Right? Looking at some of the things that have come out. It's like, yeah, that makes sense.
• 25:04
  That makes sense. I'm not gonna, like, don't fall into that camp of saying, oh, I can't quiz I can't I'm not gonna criticize them because they're God's chosen people, or I'm not gonna criticize them because I'm not gonna be antisemitic. It's like, no. I'm gonna look at the evidence. And, yeah, you know, like Right.
• 25:15
  You know, the the Mossad is mentioned numerous times in the JFK files. Know, did they have a hand in that? There's a good chance. Like, the CIA and Mossad were kind of born together, and it's like the CIA we know isn't is innocent, but that's not the purpose of this. Like, the purpose that I'm seeing is that what I've noticed, without getting into naming names or anything, but there's been a lot of influencers that have really grown very prominent through, specifically through criticism of Israel.
• 25:46
  But what I've found, though, is almost unanimously, those same people will never use the same lens of analyzing another country's control over our own government to look at the Chinese Communist Party. They don't even mention the CCP. And it sometimes and actually, in fact, if they do, it's oftentimes in a positive light. And I got thinking to myself, was like, this is not making sense that this isn't. There's something going on here.
• 26:14
  When I'm seeing people that are so critical and, you know, oftentimes from a very rational standpoint and analyzing what's happening in Gaza or Palestine, and but then at the same time, they're denying what's happening. You have a blinking light there. What is that? I just
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: It's like it's a it's like a cop outside your window.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Hold on. Just shut that off. It could just be a that should take care of it. I don't know what that was.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: It was weird. There we go.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: You said you mentioned CCP, and my my electric, infrastructure started blinking. It kinda felt like Spain for a second.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: How strange is that? They're they're listening. All all of our technology is built over there. So
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: I wish we had time to talk about the Spain power outage.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: I'd like say that. Yeah. We we should we should do a show on that. Anyway, this is again, what I've seen though is I'm seeing that a lot of these very prominent MAGA influencers that are supposedly very anti communist as you know, Trump is anti communist, and a lot of his his administration are very clear anti communist, that they're almost you could say they're shilling for the world's most dangerous communist country. What if your only resolution this year was to get better sleep?
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• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Well, I I I know what you're saying, and let me just start from my starting point here. What I noticed is you're right. A lot of these people, and it's a lot of the people that tend to agree on the Charlie Kirk, same Charlie Kirk narrative. I don't know if you've noticed that. So the same people that are anti Israel or the Mossad did it.
• 29:22
  They believe to two things is very three things are very consistent with them. Charlie Kirk was killed by the Mossad or said they had some hand in it. Everything bad in the world is because of Israel. And the they're very anti Trump, Venezuela, and everything he does that's outside of this country. So it's kinda like a hyper isolationist view, but it's almost defensive of countries like Venezuela, Iran, China, or they don't match them.
• 29:58
  So they have those things in common. So that's the pattern I noticed. It's probably the same pattern you noticed. And then specific people who we won't name are almost like take it personally. Like the CCP is their boyfriend or their girlfriend.
• 30:18
  And you're saying something bad about their boyfriend or their girlfriend. It's weird. And it tells me that when I see that kind of personal, emotional outpouring, you know, attacking people who attack the CCP. That's usually indicative of someone who has a lot of pressure by a client. Because you can't date the CCP, You can't be married to it.
• 30:42
  So, you might be worried you're not going to get your next check. So, you have to you get defensive. And I see this all the time. If you've ever hired a lawyer and you didn't like the way they were hiring, they were performing your case, the less professional lawyers get really mad and they get very emotional with you because they're worried they're gonna lose you as a client. That's what I see.
• 31:04
  That's my instinct. I don't have any evidence to support that with certain people. So that's why I don't come right out and say, you are doing this. But I'm looking for that evidence, and I'm collecting it the same way we talk about murder cases. I'm collecting it all and seeing where the pattern is.
• 31:21
  And that's the pattern I've come up with, and it has led me to about nine people.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Interesting. Well, also one thing, again, you're going back to the whole idea of the false dichotomy, right, is that if something is bad, something else must be good because it opposes it. And looking into some of the propaganda techniques of a communist country, or not necessarily communist country, just a, you know, you know, like a totalitarian country or any country that has a corrupted government has influence. You know, they're using propaganda on their country, like, on their populace. Right?
• 31:55
  And so but something that I'm also also seeing, and this is where it's really tricky, is that, obviously, through a lot of the work that you've done, all the work I've done, you know, our peers, there is a lot of corruption within the United States government, whether it's the military industrial complex, whether it's the collusion with big pharma. I mean, it's it's a very, very corrupted government. There's still some good people within it, but our government's done a lot of evil things. We've done a lot of regime overthrows. We've done, I mean, all kinds of things.
• 32:26
  Not even to mention getting into operation warp speed and some of these things that came at the behest of the government. Mhmm. So but while it's important, I think, to have a lens where you're objectively looking at our own government, and and I think being being very objectively critical in pointing out, Hey, here's the corruption. This is evil. Like, we can't stand for this.
• 32:49
  We have to be careful because it's also in the interest of a country like China to try to fan those flames. Right. And this is and this is, this is where I'm seeing some of these arguments come about is I'm and it's actually some these propaganda. Because I remember when when TikTok shut down and there's this a lot of people that went to this Red Note app. Right?
• 33:09
  It was a Chinese based app. Yeah. Like, to me, that was such a massive propaganda campaign because, of course, it's it's all being filtered. I saw a lot of Westerners that were talking about it saying, why? I joined Rednote, and I feel like I'm seeing a China I was never shown before.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: It's all in the name. Right?
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Exactly. It goes back to the house.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Red notes.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Red book. Right? It's like it's it's like you're not seeing that little icons, a little red book. It's like, oh, historically, what was that little red book? Oh, yeah.
• 33:36
  It was a book that was used to justify the largest genocide our world's ever seen. Right? Like, the the slaughtering of the Chinese people at the behest of the Chinese Communist Party. And so or one of the largest. I mean, arguably, there's different numbers between that, what happened in the Bolsheviks.
• 33:49
  It's you know, we won't get into details. But
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: What what I what I saw, though, is I saw and I think a lot was unintentional. Think it wasn't that everyone was just paid by the CCP, but I saw a lot of these these Western influencers that are saying, like, wow. Like, China's actually really amazing. Look at their high speed rails and and look how advanced they are. And and mean, at our country compared to that.
• 34:12
  Right?
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: If I if I may Oh, please do. Yes. I would say there were the larger influences were directly paid by Rednote because they were all following the same script. And that's very common in marketing, guerrilla marketing like that. You know, I don't think of it as I think people start looking at propaganda as marketing.
• 34:31
  It's easier to understand. What are they selling and how how do they plan to get people to buy it? And don't forget, Bernays was a salesman.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, Exactly.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Yes. And so when I saw the Rednote thing, it's classic propaganda and underneath it is covert influence. Okay. So the covert influence is actually what psyops are. It's not propaganda and psyops are different.
• 34:58
  Covert influence is when you set up the framing. So the framing of that environment was you're not going to be able to make money as a social influencer anymore because TikTok's going away. Okay. And anyone that says TikTok should go away is bad and they're all American. Okay.
• 35:16
  And then that was the CCP's attempt to say, oh, you know, we have a solution for you. You have a red note. Now to make that work, they had to buy influencers. Lucy, I forgot her name, left wing influencer that still wears a mask. I forgot.
• 35:31
  She was one of the big ones. And she was saying those things you were saying, oh my god. They're just so advanced. Sure. But this many of them, the rest are starving to death.
• 35:43
  But the point is, once you get a big influencer going promoting something, the rest follow along. And see, that is the perfect SIOP if you want or perfect propaganda campaign is the goal of propaganda is always to make it become a self licking ice cream cone or a perpetual influence machine. You get a few big influencers. You hit every single medium, every single class. We saw that with COVID where you hit the churches, you hit the performers, you hit the sports.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Late night TV.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Late night TV. You had Bush and Bush and Clinton out there and Obama together saying, take the vaxx. You had Fox saying, take the vaxx. So, what happens there is then people choose a team. And then they promote something like with with Rednote, you feel like you're missing the boat.
• 36:42
  Well, oh, my God, that big influencer makes a lot of money on Tic Tac. She's now on Rednote. I know they're both from China. How bad can it be? I'm going to go over to Red Note.
• 36:51
  Okay. And it gets rolling like that. And this was in counterterrorism in the early ox. You'd get a moms, you would get entire soccer teams, and they'd all be eating the same drum, the same rhythm. And then everyone goes along with it.
• 37:07
  It's like the pied piper. Here's a great example of anyone who can do this. Okay, anyone can do this experiment. There's a little field homework for people. And so if people are wondering, have vast experience in what I'm talking about.
• 37:22
  I just can't go into detail of why and how. Go down the street. I live in Salem, Massachusetts part time. So there's lot of tours of Salem. Sometimes I'll go down the street just for fun on April's April Fool's Day mainly and around Halloween.
• 37:38
  And I'll put, like, anything on the edge of a wooden meat store, you know, those free things you get at the hardware store. I'll hold it up like this, and I just start walking. And people start following. They must assume I'm a tour guide or go into an elevator in a big tall building that's gonna be a long ride. Instead of facing forward, face the rear of the elevator.
• 38:02
  If you're the first person in there. You will get half the people to do it with you. Because people are we're an organism. We want to be part of the pack. That's how influence works.
• 38:13
  And that's you're right. That's where you have to be careful. And you have to have a center. You have to have a compass of values and ethics that you believe in and you stick to. That's the only compass people can have to not be influenced and led astray.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: That's really good advice. Thinking even if you go to a public area, just stare at the sky for a little bit. Before you know it, you'll have 30 people all staring at the sky with you.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Exactly. Or
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: stare, the more people start staring. Alright?
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And there's always that one guy that will come along, that one girl who's like, maybe a tour guide. They're like, you're not a tour guide. It's like, well, I want to be. You just kind leave.
• 38:55
  But that's the person because, okay, their compass, their anchor is they're an actual tour guide. And then I can let this person have their fun. Or a scientist comes along and says, there's nothing in the sky. You're just staring at the sky. You know?
• 39:09
  So and I say that in reference to what you were saying about being careful because every government does evil things. Some do it by design. Some do it because they want long term what's best for the country, but it's too hard to explain to the general masses. Some are just corrupt. I don't think they set out to hurt people, but they don't care.
• 39:30
  They're gonna make money. Okay. And people will get hurt. They just don't think about it. But I was in government a long time.
• 39:38
  I can honestly say I never met. And I had the highest level clearance you could have. I never met anyone that said, I really want to do bad things to people. They usually didn't keep their clearance long, but it's the nature of the beast. If our goal is to create a peaceful world post the Cold War, which was by and large kind of a peaceful time, if you think about it, because you had to, you know, it's a bipolar world.
• 40:11
  So if your goal is to say, okay, I want to get peace and, you know, make sure countries don't fight each other. That was the focus after the Cold War. And then look what happened. By reducing the power of a counterbalance to ourselves, there was no one to police their own countries, and they got a huge rise in terrorism because there was no big gang leader on the other side keeping their people in check.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Interesting. And so I'm glad that you mentioned the the bipolar world. And just because I wanna throw in a just a a quick kind of side note that I think will will finish, and I'd love to hear your thoughts on it, is that whether it's what's happening in Venezuela or Iran or Gaza or even on our own soil or Taiwan, etcetera, one thing that I personally strongly believe is that there is a massive war that's happening. It's been happening for quite some time between large factions that want to end up controlling the entire world. And I think that you can simplify it.
• 41:25
  And I think that as you go up, you probably find that it's actually a few people we've never heard of that are so secret that are manipulating all this chaos. But we're not gonna get there in today's you know, maybe they've got, you know, lizard heads. Mean, who knows? Do you know what mean? It's like it's it's like Yeah.
• 41:41
  You'll never know who they are or what they are. And so let's just focus on what we can see.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: I'll believe anything after the last four years.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Right? But, you know, I I do believe that what's happening is that we're right now, we're transitioning from a unipolar world post World War two, where The United States established a global order for trade and and commerce and security and ocean you know, safe safe ocean travel. A lot of it built on the back of the the dollar bill. Like, you know, The US currency is a reserve currency, is a petrodollar, and that created an order.
• 42:13
  But I do think that there has been with the the BRICS and the BRICS nations, the CCP, that there has been a a growing opposition to that, that really I think the initial goal, as you might hear coming out of, you Chinese state media, is to create a multipolar world. Right? To e equal to create equal playing, you know, fields. So you have the Belt and Road, and you have the the BRICS currencies that are kind of building opposition to the same thing The United States and the Western NATO, etcetera, had built. I do believe, though, that the end goal is not a multipolar world, but it's another unipolar world with the CCP at the head of that world.
• 42:52
  And I think that's their end goal. And and, again, if you've studied and I know that you have, but a lot of the CCP's own military literature, if you've read books like unconventional warfare or the leaked speech of general, Qi Haoqian, you can see that it's kinda baked in. Right? They have this hundred year march, and by 2049, China wants to be the supreme ruler of the world. Right?
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: It's it's it's China is not the, China dream, I believe they call that.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Yes. Right? Mhmm. Yep. The hundred year march, the dream.
• 43:25
  And so I think that a lot of what is happening, I try to look at through that lens, because if we look at what happened with Venezuela as example, I to me, I looked at it completely as this is this is a fight against the opposing kind of, mass of of, you know, allies, right, of the opposing BRICS and CCP in China. It wasn't Trump Mhmm. Seizing oil for America. I looked at it as Trump taking away a very critical resource and route from this not communist bloc, but at the heart of it from the CCP and all the control they have through Belt and Road and all that. And so, I think that that it's really important to frame these things from that perspective, because unfortunately, as much as I would prefer to be an isolationist and a nationalist and just live my own safe world, that only happens for so long until you have enemy at your border and you have your country completely overtaken by this group of 30 countries that have banded together to take over your country.
• 44:26
  Right? So you have to play it at the larger playing field. But, anyway, I'll let you, I'd love to hear your thoughts on it.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: No. I'm I'm I'm glad you said that because it's and it's see, what you're and, you know, I'll I'll just cut people off at the past. At the past, you're not by saying you frame things in the lens of the 2049 China dream. You're not chasing a theory. You're not trying to prove a theory.
• 44:51
  That's a fact. They've stated it. I think in 2003, WTO, you know, addressed by, I think, Xi Jinping, who's the vice president then. They said it. They say these things all the time.
• 45:05
  We just don't believe them. You know, they'll say, hey, we want to destroy America. They're in our way to get to the dream. We'll be like, they said everything, those guys, you know, that's the general attitude because people don't see traditional war from China. They don't see the Red Dawn scenario.
• 45:25
  They don't see violence in the street. People dressed in Red Guard attire. What they don't see is the fact that China sees warfare very differently. You mentioned unrestricted warfare earlier. They see everything as a battlefield.
• 45:43
  They see everything, every person as an enemy combatant who's not Chinese. And they don't look at the hardware of war, which is the way you conduct it. They look at the software of war, their words, in what you accomplish. So, it takes to get land, whatever it takes to eliminate The United States entirely or make them so toothless or not in your way, they don't care how they get there. That could be kinetic war.
• 46:13
  That could be terrorism. That could be third party terrorism. That could be fabrication warfare. I mean, if they even list the types of warfare in that book and that you see them happening. They don't care how they get there.
• 46:26
  It's all war to them. They also take advantage of the fact that they know Americans in Western countries are very, very shortsighted. Okay. Most Americans, especially after the last four years, I mean, I'm sure a lot of people got bought off. And and it's not like Chinese guy in a suits coming to you.
• 46:47
  Getting a consulting gig that pays a lot. You're it's the same way you would respond. You come up and you want a little thing and then you keep adding to that little thing and then this person's working for you. But the point is with so many people losing money and employment, you know, people were right for the picking. Okay.
• 47:07
  To become influencers going in the wrong direction. And China makes it easy for them. Everyone, you hear the new narrative now is, yeah, but China is the only country who's not conducting any war right now. Well, maybe you should look at that another way when people say that that person we talked about off camera actually said that. Yeah.
• 47:28
  But they're you notice they're the only ones not involved in conflict. And I'm like, Frank Gaffney would take real have a real problem with that because he's pointed that out too, but from a different lens saying, yes, because Xi Jinping is a serial geopolitical arsonist starting fires all around him. And, you know, so there's that. So in terms of, yeah, framing it that way, I definitely see it that way because we have a factual theory to pursue and to frame it in. It makes it appropriate to frame it that way.
• 48:05
  And as long as you're trying to eliminate the theory that it's the CCP behind everything, but like seven six degrees to Kevin Bacon, I'm finding there's always three to two degrees to the CCP in almost every major thing that happens in the world.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: I'm I agree. I agree. And I think that if you look at because I remember doing shows, you say, three years ago. If I did a show talking about the CCP. Because I remember specifically, think I did a show where I specifically read the the speech, the leaked speech from general Qi Haoqian, where he talked about the need to eliminate between one and two hundred million Americans, most likely through some sort of biological warfare so that China could colonize America.
• 48:49
  I guess it's a right. You can read it. And at that time, it was very easy to talk about China. And you talk about the CCP in China, and people would say, like, oh my gosh, this is insane. And and, like, thank you so much for talking about this.
• 49:03
  But I've noticed that that discourse has really faded away. And and so whereas, again, three years ago, people were very suspicious of the CCP, especially a lot of the conservatives were very suspicious of China and communism. But now, you rarely see people talking about China. Right? You rarely you like, let alone kind of die digging into the things that we're talking about here.
• 49:29
  And if you are talking to this show, for instance, I'm sure I can go into the comments after this, and people will be saying, like, why are you focusing on China? They're not they're not coming after us. As you mentioned, you know, they only have, like, you know, a couple international bases. United States has bases all over the place. Right?
• 49:44
  We've heard these things being said. Right? And I would say that that shift, right, from say three years ago to today, that's something that I would refer to as, from my perspective, that is a psychological operation and campaign that has a motive, that has everything behind it. And that makes sense to me. Think that's part that's part of why I wanted to do this show with you is to kinda say, look, all these people that you think that you're that you're MAGA, you make America great again, and whatever it is that you think you are, do not be deceived by the wolf in sheep's clothing and understand that there is a serious, powerful communist nation that absolutely wants to see America laid to They want our land.
• 50:33
  They want control of our assets. They want to destroy America. Not the Chinese people. I I know a lot of Chinese people, and they're they're by and large, they're they're good people that have been suffering under a tyrannical regime. But the CCP absolutely wants to destroy Western culture, destroy America, get back at the the the European bankers for the opium wars, get back at them.
• 50:57
  Like, they have a bone to pick, and they wanna destroy Western civilization. And we have to be having sober discussions about that because we're very vulnerable to it, especially because we don't even recognize that they're like, collectively recognize them as a major threat to America by and large.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And, you know, you're saying this and it's, you know, I have to give, you know, as a trained propagandist, I have to give them some mad respect doesn't mean I like them. But in terms of their skill set, they're quite adept because they loved pre 2019 when no one even knew who Xi Jinping was. Okay, if I said Xi Jinping in 2019, most people would not know who he was. And then it rose, as you said, during the pandemic.
• 51:48
  And then it got really bad for the CCP when Trump came in office and put out the whole vaccine webpage directly blaming China for everything. Their attention meter was way too high for their comfort level. And they have somehow engineered it back to those 2019 levels overnight. And it almost seems to have like they've doubled down on those efforts as soon as Trump was inaugurated. It just went, if we had a graph, it would just go right back down again.
• 52:22
  And that is through the work of not only influencers either talking good about them or not talking about them at all, but also creating these scenarios and amplifying certain narratives that are important narratives. But in the long term, maybe not where people are so focused on that. And it's for instance, Charlie Kirk's death, you know, wonderful person that horrible for the MAGA movement and for Trump for that to happen. Horrible for his wife and his kids, of course, and horrible for him. But in the grand scheme of things, unless we find out it was one of our enemies like the CCP or let's say it was Israel.
• 53:06
  Okay, that's important to know. But if there's no facts leading you there, you're wasting your time. But that has sucked so much attention this way. Or another thing that sucked up a lot of attention is the threat of Islam, which is very, very important, hugely important. But again, they're taking away people's ability and you hit on it with the black and white yes or no, this argument or that argument.
• 53:34
  It's almost like this mass social engineering campaign to train people not to be multifaceted thinkers or multilevel thinkers. I am blessed with ADHD.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: And it's made me a great
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: investigator because my channel's always changing and I've trained myself to limit it to 10 channels that I dig deep into each one of them. But the thing is, People they don't have the capacity anymore or the the time or something to worry about. Like, you can't worry about Charlie Kirk Mossad investigation for most people can't worry about do that. They'll do that. But then they can't do this.
• 54:17
  And I mentioned like, well, that is attached to this because of that. And they're like, that doesn't matter. This is all that matters. And, you know, I ask people when they're putting that effort into things, you have to ask yourself, why does it matter to you? Naomi and I do this.
• 54:38
  My wife, we do this all the time. How's that your beat? Or how does that help? Like, my nonprofit? And if it doesn't, then I move on.
• 54:49
  So, yeah, you're right. I mean, it's like these they're they're they've disappeared off the map and they've been smart about it too. Where China used to say, oh, you know, America is racist because look at what they're doing here. And when Lincoln got, like, berated, just embarrassed by the Chinese Communist Party in Alaska.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: I've heard of that.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: They don't do that anymore. They don't they're not calling us, like, the big racist anymore. They're not even sticking their heads up anymore. They're just they've they've set their automatons into the social media world, and they're on autopilot now. And it's great for China because no one's paying attention.
• 55:28
  The fleets of illegal fishing boats from China, which is the act of war, have grown so much around South America that they show up on radar from space. Like, that's how big the illegal fleets are. That is stealing food from the West. That is an act of war. People don't know.
• 55:49
  People don't see how it affects them. And just when people start getting interested, you'll notice what will happen. All this amplification on the Epstein files, all this amplification on the Charlie Kirk assassination, all this amplification on, you know, a girl getting shot in Minnesota, which was by any account, you know, a justified shooting, God rest her soul. But those are big issues to people now that don't affect their lives. Know, ICE isn't on a murder campaign to go kill everyone that disagrees with them.
• 56:27
  But it's all about distracting all the attention inward. So no one's looking outward anymore, and especially at the CCP.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: It's such a good point. And I think that it's again, I think it's part of what's been bred into us over a long -GREGORY: period of time, and even looking at Hollywood. And my wife and I, you know, we enjoy watching film, and, my my all time favorite, you know, probably I'd say is Last Kingdom. Not sure if you've watched Last Kingdom, but it's
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's a
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: great movie. Yeah. It. Until they've made the movie and and they introduce all the gay stuff, it's like, did you have to do that? You know mean?
• 57:01
  But that's
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: the whole thing. Is that the the the revamp of it?
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They they yeah. Like, the Seven Kings Must Die movie. But, anyway, that's, you know, kind of a little off off the the the trail there. But one of things the that we complain so much about Hollywood storytelling is that they always make characters so binary.
• 57:17
  It's like, that's the evil person, and they're really evil. And that's the good person, they're really good. But that's not how we are. Actually, there's a lot of people that are actually doing a lot of evil, but they think they're doing good. And they've got their own moral justification for it that actually makes sense for the most part.
• 57:34
  But they've missed a few things. And so that's what they've done, though, is that they've think a big part of this is that the American people as a whole, I think a part of it is all the chaos they've created with the news media, the the terror campaigns from COVID or the war on terror that the American people have been so heavily targeted through social engineering campaigns to to make us feel just like we don't know what left from right. Even like when Fauci was coming out during COVID and they say, okay, masks work. You gotta have two masks. You gotta have three masks.
• 58:08
  Okay, masks don't work. Now they do work. Now they don't work. And these are all intentional things to confuse people. You go back into, you know, Juice Merloo and the rape of the mind.
• 58:16
  Right?
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: You know,
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: how this affects a human being. But I think that what it does, though, is it has led us to a place where I wouldn't say that, you know, a lot of the audiences watching my show and your show, they're not like this. They're people that are thinking like you and I are, and they're they're trying to stay, you know, rational and calm and analyze the whole playing field. But for a lot of people, they just get they all they can see is one big thing, and it's all they wanna focus on, whether it's, you know, Gaza or Epstein or any number of things. And I'm not, again, it just goes back to the point.
• 58:51
  It's like, okay. I can hold two ideas at once and recognize they're both bad. It's like, I I'm not gonna just say, I'm not gonna discredit Epstein and all that's behind there. It needs to be looked into. Think there's some really bad, shady stuff was happening there with a lot of our politicians.
• 59:05
  However, I'm not gonna focus so much that I ignore the other threat, but nor am I gonna say that all the other threat's so bad that Epstein must be a giant hoax. Right? It's like, no. You can hold Right. Both things at once and say, these are both pretty bad things, but let's not let's not, focus so much on this that we get blindsided by the train.
• 59:26
  And I think a lot of this that's helped me understand what's happening is just going back to reading Art of War with Sun Tzu. And this is what worries me more than anything, is if you look at how little China has become in the public discourse in America, especially among the the MAGA movement. That's what makes me very concerned, because that's usually when the enemy is building up to strike, is when you think the enemy's not there anymore. It's this is like military strategy one zero one taught for thousands of years.
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: And that's when the president goes to the bunker, you know, so to speak. So it's You're you're there's another thing that's happening too, and I totally agree with you. The way the influence pattern is is is has worked. See, during COVID, I actually look back on those days of COVID influence with great fondness and longing. There was a good guy and a bad guy.
• 1:00:21
  You were on the good side or the bad side. And, you know, the other side would say the same thing. Those are the bad guys. Those are the good guys. And then what normally happens in massive national or international campaigns, they're getting ready to strike when they've they first cut the population in half and wore them against each other.
• 1:00:40
  Then they start dicing up those sides and warring them against each other. Okay, so. If you look at Covid, there was black and white, there was vaxxed, was left to right. It's very clear. It felt very unified on our side.
• 1:00:56
  And I'm sure on the left, it felt very unified to them. Those are those vaccine election, unvaxxed election denier j six, domestic terrorists who go to the Latin Catholic mass. Those are them. All of them. And you just have to check one of those boxes to be shoved into that.
• 1:01:17
  And on our side, those are those left communist
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: vaccines. Zombies. As we've a lot of
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: have Vaccines zombies. And they could be unvaxxed. But if they voted a certain way or they could be vaxxed and maybe in voted for your guy, but then they're kind of like questionable. But there were two sides. Now what we have is multiple sides on both sides of the aisle.
• 1:01:42
  So let me give you an example of this. If you see the Charlie Kirk narrative, it started as it's them or them or them or him. Now it has devolved into its multiple parties. We're not sure which ones, but they're all bad. And that's caused infighting in that argument.
• 1:02:02
  And then what's happening on both sides of the aisle is there's a direct effort to eliminate both parties by actual communists. And this is where we go from, you know, the more nebulous type of stuff we're talking about to hands on stuff that people can actually look at and take action against by ignoring or knowing it's influencing them. So, what you have on the left is the Democratic Socialists of America who are not Democrats, as you know, a lot of people think they are. Clever name. They're communists.
• 1:02:41
  And they say very plainly on their website, they want to supplant or eliminate the DNC, the Democrats. They're at war with them. And I started noticing this when I went to the no kings rallies. I would talk to people. I get them to talk to me by saying I was writing for, like, you know, Zebra Media or the Metro Weekly.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: Like, Village Voice.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: The Village Voice. Actually, my friend John's father established that. Norman Mailer. The I started hearing them saying, and I've I've got a lot of these these videos. I'll share them with you.
• 1:03:19
  Young people in their twenties, you know, my daughter's age, saying, I hate the Democrats. I hate The New York Times. I'm like, wait a minute. Don't you like those things? They don't because they're being influenced by the DSA, the Democratic Socialists of America.
• 1:03:39
  If you go through Brooklyn today, where we have the house in Brooklyn over near the big Park, you'll see lots of Karl Marx signs, lots of lots of hammers and sickles posted everywhere. I have them on my social media. You'll also see, yeah, you'll see the normal Netanyahu's bad. Trump is bad. But you know what you see a lot of?
• 1:04:02
  Hakim Jeffries is bad. Dan Goleman is bad from this group called APAC Watch. Now, this is Brooklyn. It's not exactly a hotbed of Republican sentiment. It's all being posted by the socialists.
• 1:04:18
  Then on the and I'll pause there for a second if you want to add to that. Oh, no, I'm
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: to get going.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: The Republican side.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Go ahead.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: So if you look at what the midterms coming up. If you look at like, for example, some of the people who've been talking about the the shooting in Minnesota, forgot her name. That woman that was behind the wheel that, you know, tried to run over the ice age and then got shot and killed. The statements coming out from these candidates I've never heard of saying ICE is bad. This is bad.
• 1:04:54
  This is bad. They're they're DSA candidates. They've grown in power so much, and they took New York. I mean, they took New York. The whole squad.
• 1:05:05
  They're not really Democrats like Ilhan Omar and all them. They're DSA. They're all backed by DSA. DSA is not a political party, by the way. It's an organization right after.
• 1:05:19
  And for people who think us talking about the communist takeover. And by the way, when I say communist takeover, I want people to keep in mind, it's
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: not like
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: the Cold War where China was competing with Russia for dominance of communist being the best communist or the most powerful communist. China is the leader of the global communist movement. They are at the top of the food chain. So right after Mondami was elected, I went to the DSA website, which is, of course, on Mobilize, that app. And they had these groups that were set to go harass landlords who they deemed as, you know, being unfair to their tenants, like like a red guard on my street.
• 1:06:08
  I couldn't believe it. And then so that's happening everywhere. You're seeing more. So people should really focus not so much on what you focus on what you want to. But I would say while you're looking for the Mossad satellites and the CIA satellites, you might want to pay attention to the guy with the smile, the beer gut and the Mondami shirt because he's not your friend.
• 1:06:33
  You are if you believe in freedom and our Western way of life. And then so that's what's happening on the left. Communists are literally like cuckoo birds. They've gotten into the nest with the Democrats and they're taking over. They're going to eat the eggs and it's going be their nest.
• 1:06:52
  Now on the right, it's happening as well. So all of the sentiment we were talking about this anti Israel, everything that all has the same pattern. Every single one of those influencers have been influenced by basically one group. Okay. And now I'm not going to say can I say the journalist's name I was going say?
• 1:07:14
  Because
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: he's The journalist. Yeah. It's whatever. If you want to
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: So the core of a lot of the theories, even the Charlie Kirk one, the core of those theories, a lot of the most anti Israel stuff, it starts with the gray zone and Max Blumenthal. Okay. It starts with it. And I I'm I'm shocked to see Max Blumenthal appearing on Rumble channels by guys that kinda look like, you know, maybe not geopolitically astute, but they're they look like real patriots, you know, and and they're listening to Max Blumenthal. Like, they don't know who he is.
• 1:07:49
  And I'm like, okay. First of all, his father is Sidney Blumenthal, who was, like, the chief aide to Hillary and who he is the man who coined the phrase vast white ring right wing conspiracy. He has the gray zone, which is his media company. Okay. Which is pure communist sentiment, but they don't call it communist.
• 1:08:10
  They don't call it socialist. You know what they call it? Anti imperialist. And that's the phrase you gotta look out for. And so what's his goal?
• 1:08:18
  I can't figure it out. I don't know. But I will say this. People that work for him are people like, oh, I don't know. See if you recognize this thing.
• 1:08:30
  Kai Pritzker. That is the nephew of J. B. Pritzker. That is the son of Penny Pritzker, who was Obama's secretary of commerce.
• 1:08:41
  Kai Pritzker, total socialist. Okay. He's out there camping out in the Venezuelan embassies a couple of months ago. You have I mean, there's a lot of people that have been on that show working with Max Blumenthal. And then you go over to, a man named Jackson Hinkle.
• 1:09:00
  Are you familiar with him?
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Who is because I follow him. I like to keep an eye on, you know, I follow a lot of And people, I remember I was some of those earlier kind of ideas, was like, Oh, this guy's, know, he gets it pretty well. I saw one day that he announced that he was either starting a new communist party in America or
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: He did.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: Right? Yeah. And and I was just like I was like, oh my gosh. And he's one of these guys that you see going over to you know, he's, like, standing with Ayatollah or standing with know, he's he was in Venezuela, he's very pro China. Now now you see something.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: I think he lives in Russia.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay. I rather I I remember I was so shocked. I was like, wait. Uh-uh.
• 1:09:46
  He started a communist party? Yes. I was I was blown away by that.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: So check this out. It gets worse. Because I I I wasn't that blown away by it. Like, I was like
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: You saw probably way better than I did. Yes.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: I just didn't think he was intelligent enough to do something like that, but and he probably is not. It was you know, he's the the figurehead of it. But, yes, he started the American Communist Party, the ACP in 2024. Okay. Which him and his cronies have nicknamed MAGA communism.
• 1:10:19
  That's what they've nicknamed their movement. Okay. Was established. There it is. It was established with another gentleman named Haz El Din.
• 1:10:30
  Okay. Hazel Dean. Guess where he came from? The Democratic Socialists of America.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: Imagine that.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Now you have the ACP is
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's him right here.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: There's Hazel Dean. Now Hasel Dinh has been featured on many Rumble channels with conservative pundits like who are like, oh, that doesn't sound so bad. That doesn't make sense what you're saying. Well, of course, the communists are going to target MAGA. We're working class.
• 1:11:04
  That's our bread and butter. But don't you believe it? Because they make a lot of promises, communists. They make a lot of promises that they never keep. And if people real and it's it's amazing to me that it's conservatives that are more susceptible now to communism than the liberals.
• 1:11:23
  The liberals are not susceptible because they're already recruited, but they've lived it so long that they've learned to manage it without letting it totally take over their lives. But to like conservatives, it's kind of new. It was always the enemy over the hill. Now they can't recognize the enemy that's in their bed. And so, so to speak.
• 1:11:43
  So what happened is Hasel Dinh left. There was no breakup. There was no he didn't get fired from the DSA. I think he's like their comm intern. The communist international used to send out, you know, their emissaries like Trotsky and everything and to spread the word and influence people to get that global communism a reality.
• 1:12:06
  So mean, assigned mission was to create something that would, you know, be very favorable to conservatives. As you say, you know, show up with socialists, you know, hey, we're socialists. You show up with that, you know, to to conservatives are going to kick you out. If you show up even with MAGA communism, they're going to kick you out. But if you get them all hating a certain way and then you say, hey, you know what?
• 1:12:36
  We hate that, too. We hate that, too. And also you have to have street credit. One thing about conservatives, they will always check you out. And so you know what happens?
• 1:12:47
  I've called out like Max Blumenthal. They're like, hey, wait a minute. That doesn't make sense. He was at the mandate. Defeat the mandate rallies with us.
• 1:12:53
  He can't be bad. Also was the nation of Islam. And so what I tell people is. Just because you're on the same side in a battle doesn't mean you're friends for life. I mean, we were on the same side as China and Russia or The USSR during World War Two.
• 1:13:14
  Now Japan's our friend. Germany is neutral to us. The others are what I would consider enemies. But that's what happens here is people and that's their bona fides. They're like, oh, they these these influencers who are communists will always have the pictures of them at defeat the mandates, rallies, the anti vaxx rallies and everything that earns them street cred.
• 1:13:40
  And that's what they're putting in their bios when they go on to these shows. Now, Max Blumenthal is a special case because he has always appealed to the actual conspiracy theorists. Okay. And now he's being shown with some prominence. And I want to add that all of these really not based in reality theories you may have noticed are really being pumped up by legacy media, by The New York Times, by YouTube.
• 1:14:12
  They're not getting banned for saying the most racist stuff against, like, Jewish people I've ever heard. They're not getting banned. Okay. You say something about Muslims, you will be off of YouTube in a heartbeat. Okay.
• 1:14:24
  But you'll notice people on the right saying really racist stuff on YouTube are not getting banned. They're not getting demonetized. That's by design, because this whole globalist communist movement, it divides the country, which was already divided. It made it worse. Then it starts slicing and dicing on each side.
• 1:14:43
  They've got Chef Halseldin on one side and they got Chef Mondami on the other side. And they're slicing and dicing and getting them all turned against each other. They're to put them all in their little containers. Now, people should really pay attention. And I would imagine the majority of your audience is conservative.
• 1:15:02
  Listen to what Jackson Hinkle is saying. One thing about communists and you know the thing, Seth, they always tell you what they're going to do. They don't hide it. So in an interview with one of the I think it was Jinhua, the larger, you know, the mystery of propaganda slash cosplaying as a newspaper in China. Jackson Hinkle did an interview where he says, well, we're targeting the anti establishment fringe rights.
• 1:15:33
  They say it. They're targeting them because they they're more susceptible to align with our ideals, and we share a lot of these ideas. It's the same people within Islam that communist target are the anti imperialist, anti establishment type of, you know, people that are emotionally driven. They said it. That's who they're targeting.
• 1:15:55
  And then if you look at the influencers that kind of fit into that category that have been with us for many years and used to be our friends, they're all saying the same things that Blumenthal and Henkel are saying, which are the same things that the Democratic Socialists of America are saying, which go back to being the same things that the Chinese Communist Party is saying. You can look at their website on their, Ministry of Foreign Affairs and read them. All the talking points coming right from China.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: Man, so there's a lot to kind of take in here, but I think to
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: The coffee just kicked in.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's good. I mean, I guess as we're I think we're hitting an hour and as we're kind of wrapping up, I mean to give where I'm at mentally with a summary of all this, I would say that it's by design that America feels like it's more divided than ever. Like, you think back to 2020, as you mentioned, there was it was either like, you know, you okay, you believe that the election was stolen, You know, there there was you were kind of in one of a couple different main tribes. There's a lot of unity. Right?
• 1:17:09
  Like, coming off the Stop the Steal rally and all that. There's a lot of unity. Fast forward to now, that unity has been splintered into probably 20 different subsets of people that are in fighting. You've got the, you know, Tucker versus this guy, that person that birthed this person, Candace versus this person, Tim Polder versus Candace, this versus that. And I'm not accusing everyone who's part of that conflict as being paid off, because I don't think that they all are, certainly not.
• 1:17:38
  However, again, as we talked about at very beginning, we have to look for patterns. We have to look for the underlying motives. And what I'm seeing even more clearly after coming out of this interview with you is that our country is being sliced and diced, which is historically the precursor to some sort of communist overthrow. And that so that's one thing. But also, just recognizing that there are is a very strong communist presence here in America against a wolf in sheep's clothing, right?
• 1:18:21
  They will pretend it to be one thing, put the face on, put the most beautiful sheep's face on, but that the communist infiltration is not just the left. And that's the thing I think, that's where a lot of people, they miss the boat, especially people that are more conservative, they miss that. They think, Oh, that's communism. They're the communists. Without realizing that that like, you look back at the CCP.
• 1:18:45
  I remember I was talking to someone I knew that I won't say her name because but she was a very, very high level Chinese person that has contacts at very high levels of the CCP. And she was explaining to me how, I think it was in one of their, military school, one of their, you know, the CCP's, their militaries merge with so many different things, but that basically they had studied every single segment of America's, American society. They even knew which board seat of a small city council in a small town would be needed to influence the direction of that county. Like, they had mapped out the our entire society, not just left wing and right wing, and they're thinking, let's take over the left wing because they're more communist, right? We're gonna use them to have a revolution.
• 1:19:30
  No. They attack everywhere. And use everything as a weapon. Going back to unrestricted warfare, which if no one's read it, I recommend general Spaulding's version of it because he narrates it as he's showing it. It's a great, great book.
• 1:19:46
  I highly
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: recommend You're people read talking about stealth wars?
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: Yes. Actually, I'll I'll, I'll pull it up real quick.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: The stealth wars and the, war without rules.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Which let's see.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: They're they're both kind of focused on it, I think. The first one, Stealth Wars, gives you more practical examples to recognize it. Whereas the War Without Rules, he goes, line by line. Each chapter is a different part of unrestricted warfare, and then he gives a analysis based on current examples. Yeah.
• 1:20:16
  Stealth
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: War. Stealth War, How China Took Over While America's Elite Slept.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: Yes. I'd start with that one, definitely.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: Yep. And then War War Without Rules. The War Without Rules, I believe that is the explanation of the, under unrestricted warfare. Right?
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: Yes. That's when it goes, chapter by chapter.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah. So this is, I think, this is, you know, the kind of the oh, there you go. I was just talking about that book the other day.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: I might have to flip my camera a bit. Yeah. God, actually, you recommended this to me. And this is if I I know we're running out of time,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: but no, go ahead.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: Really, these two books had been sitting on my shelf for like a year, you know, because Naomi gets a lot of books. And I started reading and I was like, well, I'm not sure because, you know, I just wanted like hard facts. There was, you know, the way it's written. At first, I thought, is this going to be some religious thing? I didn't know who sent it, you know?
• 1:21:17
  And then I was talking to Yousef and I said, hey, isn't it true that Falun Gong is the worst enemy of the CCP because they have the secret history of the CCP and they're spreading around the world? And were like, yeah, yeah, I think I sent you guys that history. And I said, because I would read that in a heartbeat. You're like, yeah. It's a specter of communism.
• 1:21:41
  I said, oh. And I devoured those that night, both of them. And I've read these 10 times. You cannot. And what I like about these more than I mean, they're all good books.
• 1:21:54
  General Spawning is wonderful. What I really like about these is they get into the, you know, not only the physical, the practical, but they get into the social, the emotional, the religious, the esoteric in some cases. And it's hard as an investigator, it's hard to debunk anything in these. They all make sense. And reading them today versus reading them in twenty twenty one, I'm looking back on, damn, they're right on track.
• 1:22:25
  They're right on track. So, yeah, I recommend these too. Yeah.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: I'll, I'll put a link in the description. So what's cool is that, yeah, so this is, it's a two part book written by the editorial, team of The Epoch Times that originally published the Nine Commentaries, which the Nine Commentaries was a book that has been spread throughout China. That was one of the the, strongest blows to the CCP was they made this book called The Nine Commentaries. I think I might have read the English translation a while ago. And it, they had people setting up like underground printing shops in in China to distribute these because it exposed the Chinese Communist Party.
• 1:23:02
  So that same editorial team wrote this book called How the Specter of Communism is Ruling Our World, and it's free on The Epoch Times if you wanna read it. So, the whole book is published, on here. You also can order the book copies, etcetera. I've been listening to it again on my on audio. I was just listening to it a couple nights ago.
• 1:23:23
  If I was doing some cooking, and I'm just blown away. It's like, oh my gosh, this, this book, it makes so much sense of what's happening in the world right now. And actually, I'd say, because I've got a whole library of books and I've read probably at least three of them, right? But, no, so I've done a lot of research, but I haven't found a single book that is able to capture the reality of our world like this. And, know, it because it's not talking about the ideology of communism.
• 1:23:56
  It's basically that communism is a specter. It's it's it's Satan. It talks a lot about Satan, which I I really appreciate that, and God and Satan. And and it goes into the spiritual battle of it and how it's communism is the tool that Satan is using to destroy the souls of mankind, but how it shows how communism is ruling the specter of communism is ruling in America just as it's ruling in China. Heavy taxation, the destruction of our culture, all these things, these all root back to the specter of communism.
• 1:24:26
  And that's the way So anyway, yeah, you and I could do a whole have a whole discussion on that, but it's interesting that you pulled that up because I literally just started a week and a half ago listening to the audiobook again. And it's yeah, it's it's
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: And a it's an enjoy look, it's despite the dark nature of what they're explaining. It's I mean, there's some of the best written books I've read. I mean, because I kind of had fallen off of reading a lot because I drive to work a lot when I was doing PI work. So I was driving all over the country. So I was listening to a lot of books.
• 1:24:58
  And so I hadn't been reading books as much as I should have because I'm also reading case files, which are vast. I wanted to get it actually got me back into reading for the end of my day, sitting down and reading a good book. And it got me back into it because it just it's like butter. I mean, it's just so well written that it just flows and you're like, oh, man, there's just too many moments in in these books. I wanted to say on the Spectre, I want to say one more thing, Seth, before.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: Please do. Oh, yeah.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: Just to wrap up the DSA and the, you know, the right wing and the left wing thing. And thanks for summarizing it so people understand. The Democrats or the lefties, the liberals, whatever you want to call them, are as much under attack by communism, like you said, as the right. It's not about the left and the right. It's about Americans being under attack, period.
• 1:25:56
  And some by other Americans who have turned to communism. The mindset of people who turn to communism, I say they're at least mentally or intellectually, they're no longer American. They're not thinking like Americans anymore. And so they become kind of like the de facto enemies of Americans if they're trying to turn you away from our values. I want to say this, though.
• 1:26:19
  This craziest part about this, the craziest part, know, make sure you have the link. I went back and read a bunch of journals and speeches from, you know, the Cold War and watched how the Soviet Union gobbled up one country after another. The way they did it, especially like Czechoslovakia and those kind of places, they would have small factions of the common intern go into those countries. One little group would attach to the left. One little group would attach to the right.
• 1:26:53
  It would take over those parties, and they would run two communist candidates. That's how it works, and that's what's happening here.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Man. What do you say about those who don't know history or doomed to repeat it? Yeah.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: Well, just or or, you know, people should always remember, you know, the more contemporary, you know, the players change, game stays the same. They're not they're not doing something new. And people should take heed of this because it works and it's worked. And there's massive historical example called the USSR to show that it worked. And yeah, granted the USSR fell apart, but I don't want to go through all that time to come back to America.
• 1:27:39
  We have it now. Like, we might not get back. I think The USSR got lucky, you know, because America and China eating at them from the other side. But the point is, this is very real. And I want your audience to understand this.
• 1:27:54
  And thank God they have you explaining things to them because you get this. That's why I was excited to come on the show because you get it. And I would recommend people follow like Trevor Loudon, Alex Newman, Frank Gaffney. I'm part of the band, thebrotherhood.org with Frank Gaffney to stop Sharia law in Texas and The United States. Frank Gaffney gets the whole crossover between Islam and communism.
• 1:28:20
  Those are people I'd recommend and I would recommend to everyone else. Sure. You know, do your investigation and want to investigate Charlie Kirk thing. That's fine. But be disciplined and be good to yourself because don't waste your time.
• 1:28:33
  When you get to the point where you say, I've got literally nothing concrete supporting this theory on chasing, move on. Because trust me, you won't be thinking about that in a year if we lose.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's funny you mentioned Trevor Loudon, I guess, in in in closing.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: He's he's been on my show. He's great.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, he is. And I remember there was an interview he did, I think, with Josh Phillip, at Epoch Times, you know, many years And he said something like, If America falls, the world will enter into a thousand years of darkness. Like, America is the last bastion of freedom. And I really believe that. If America falls, that we will enter it doesn't this whole idea of a of a multipolar world is a complete lie.
• 1:29:20
  If America falls, you will see a communist control of the entire world. And and and you can merge together communist and globalist because they're they're working together in so many ways. And it's a whole different story of, like, the origins of the CCP and the European bankers and Rockefellers and Yale and China. It's a whole different thing. But fundamentally, though, if if we fall, because we still have our freedoms here.
• 1:29:43
  The fact that you and can have this conversation right now, if we were in China halfway through the conversation, I'd I'd see a black bag put over your head, and I'd never hear from you again.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: Right? And then you wouldn't be able to cross the street at a certain crosswalk
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: because
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: your social credit score would hit the ground.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And some some rich guy in, you know, in in United Kingdom will be buying your liver. Right? Thinking that he's just getting some Totally.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: Right? Totally. You know, especially if I'm either Muslim or, you know, with halal organs or Falun Gong with pretty healthy organs for not having alcohol or anything else. Funny how they're the two only two groups in the camps. I would say this to Seth, I know you're trying to wrap up, but, you know, a lot of people will counter.
• 1:30:24
  There's always the naysayers and they'll counter with, you've heard this, I'm sure. China's just a junior partner to the
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: What is it? The global elites. And I always counter with this. Really, do those global elites have an army? Or do they control the technology that controls the banking that their money sits on?
• 1:30:46
  Because I want people to remember one thing about China. They are not globalists. They are nationalists. They want the whole world to be China. And when it gets to the point where they're in control or mostly control, where they're close to winning their one hundred year marathon, hopefully they don't.
• 1:31:04
  Even those globalist elites will be forced to bend a knee to them because they don't want to share the table with anybody. Russia knows this very well. That's why Russia is in a constant, you know, kind of abusive relationship with China. It's an abusive marriage where they're trying to maintain their own power base because they know once China gets this big, they're not going to be like, Okay, you know, Russia, you take Northern Europe and we'll take this down. And then, no, no.
• 1:31:37
  No. They want it all. And they're not gonna stop till they get it because they haven't stopped since 1949.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's such a good point. I I framed the CCP as Frankenstein's monster. If you look at the origins of it, yes, it was heavily influenced by Totally. By European banking system, etc.
• 1:31:59
  Right? The origins of it. But whether they intended it or not, it's grown very powerful. And if you look in, you know, they've got a five thousand year culture they're they're sitting on over there. Five thousand years of war strategy and and wisdom that they're using for nefarious reasons.
• 1:32:17
  But if you if it's like, if you think that China's gonna bow down to some, you know, white banker, go back and look at the opium wars. Right? Look at the revenge that they are seeking upon the European banking system for us for the opium wars. And that's just that's just the tip of the iceberg. So they will not there's a there's a saying in Chinese that says one mountain's only big enough for what is it?
• 1:32:40
  One bat one mountain isn't big enough for two tigers, basically. Mhmm. It's it's it's a variation of that, you know. And they know that you can only have one ruler. You can only have one tiger And ruling one they will not sit idly and, Oh yes, Mr.
• 1:32:57
  Claus Schwab, what should we do today? Nope. Right. They're gonna have him hang from a lamppost on day one of that globalist overstatement.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: It'll be like it'll be like Bane in the Batman movie. You know? The globalist will come up and say, I've had my construction crew working around the clock, and your attack on the exchange failed, my friend. I'm in control. But then Bane puts his hand in his shoulder and goes, do you feel like you're in control now?
• 1:33:21
  And then he snaps his neck.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, you're right. And I would say there's another from the 36 strategists where they say, you know, kill the. But that barbell knife is us and our ability to be influenced. We're killing each other now, but we're being guided to do it figuratively. But literally, we're almost at a shooting war, I feel like internally, especially since this ice thing.
• 1:33:49
  And and so I I would even recommend to people that read the 36 stratagems and then look around your world and say, oh, right. That's happening. And it's not like I'm fitting circles in a square. It's almost literal.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: It is. Brian, before we sign off, we'll pull up your rumble rumble channel here, I'll put a link in the description, investigate everything.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: You do a lot of great work on there. Also, I know we're running out of time. Give us just a quick introduction to consumerdiligence.org. It's also something that you're doing. I'd love to give an opportunity just to introduce it to people.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So consumerdiligence.org is a organization I started with my good friend, Dallas Ludlam, who's our senior editor and my partner in this project. We have some great people working for us. We see the enemies everywhere. Okay.
• 1:34:41
  And one of the biggest enemies of anyone is getting is grift. So like when you're fighting the CCP, you're fighting the front lines. Just like in the Civil War, those poor guys went off to fight from the South and there were people robbing their homes. Okay. So we see grift and theft and fraud the same way.
• 1:35:00
  Those are enemies behind us that we need to eliminate. So what we do at consumer diligence is we take leads from our audience and we do a full due diligence on every company we look at, good and bad. Everything we find, we analyze, we verify, we put out in a big report on our substack and also on the website. And so think of consumer reports on steroids. Consumer reports will say, oh, so many customers said this, this and this.
• 1:35:25
  And we're like, oh, no, this CEO is a felon. He's currently a fugitive. Let me see this Maha company here is tied directly to George Soros. Here it is. Here's the link.
• 1:35:37
  Dollar General, by the way, is raising your prices between the aisle and the checkout. Check your receipts. Huge fraud we uncovered. That was our writer, Alicia, that covered that. Yeah.
• 1:35:48
  Dollar General. You know, it says a dollar on the shelf. It's a dollar 25 when they bring it up. So we're uncovering those kind of things. So that way, people can focus on making money and raising their families and being good Americans and being strong Americans.
• 1:36:04
  And, you know, they don't have the time to do this. So they can go to our site. It's free and say, well, let me let me see if they've covered this company. They could go there. We do ask that you do a paid subscription on our Substack because that's the only money or you can make a donation to us at the address on there.
• 1:36:21
  We are not a nonprofit yet. We're in status. However, you know, anything helps. The best way right now to contribute is just by getting a paid subscription on the Substack and spreading the word for us because this is important. You know, you don't want to we don't want to win against the 100 year marathon and then come back and our mortgage is not in our name anymore.
• 1:36:44
  So that's what we're looking out for as well. Consumerdiligence.org on X at Consumer DD. Check it all out. It's really good stuff. There's a good Maha one we just put out and we're nonpartisan in who we target, as you'll see on the site, because as we discussed earlier, fraud exists at every level on every side of the aisle, and you have to call them all out.
• 1:37:08
  So that's what we're doing there. We hope it helps people. And we appreciate all the feedback. And thanks for bringing that up, Seth. I appreciate Yeah.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: Fraud is kind of like communism. Right? You'll find it under every rock if you're looking for it. So I
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: think fraud is kinda like like I think it's more like foot rot in in in in combat. There you go. Yeah. We're fighting on the communist, but our feet aren't working anymore. That's a point.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: That's a good point. Well, Brian, it's been a great discussion with you. Let's do this again. I encourage people to subscribe to your rumble, check out consumer diligence, and just keep, I think most importantly, just keep your head on a swivel, like stay rational. Don't allow yourself to get tunnel vision.
• 1:37:48
  Look at the bigger picture, because tunnel vision can very easily keep you, unaware of the guy that just came in through your front through your front door with a shotgun, right? So just keep keep your head on a swivel. So, Brian, thanks thanks again, man. It's, great, great talking with you.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. Great talking with you.