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Monday Mini: Star Wars Updates · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephane.
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  Speaker 1: Never told you protection if I hire radio and today
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  Speaker 1: Now that's the show Obi wan Kenobi has rapped after
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  Speaker 1: we built it up quite well. I built it up
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  Speaker 1: quite a bit, and you would just supported me. Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: You did watch it right, you've watched it. I did
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  Speaker 1: all the way. I had some questions. I really enjoyed it.
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  Speaker 1: Um may have been one that was like, this doesn't
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  Speaker 1: make sense. Are they red conning this? Yes? Now I
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  Speaker 1: know the time. I mean it was a tire. It
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  Speaker 1: was pretty much and I say this in the nicest
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  Speaker 1: way possible, but it's pretty much a whole show that
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  Speaker 1: was trying to Rick I knew hope essentially, and they
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  Speaker 1: succeeded in the many ways, but also created other plot holes.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, I guess we'll re wreck on this
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  Speaker 1: one day. That's the cycle of Rick con Yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And I promised Samantha this one's gonna be short, and
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  Speaker 1: it is. And I think we will revisit it one day,
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  Speaker 1: maybe for a spoiled happy hour something, because I do
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  Speaker 1: have a lot of stuff I want to talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: But for this one, we unfortunately have to talk about
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  Speaker 1: toxic fandom, which all the time with these things and
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  Speaker 1: the really gross and really gross racist and sexist responses
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  Speaker 1: we saw when the show was coming out, after it
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  Speaker 1: was coming out, but yeah, I definitely want to come
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  Speaker 1: back and talk about it because it was a big
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  Speaker 1: deal in a lot of ways for women in marginalized folks.
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  Speaker 1: It was directed by Debra Chow who worked on The
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  Speaker 1: Mandalorian Uh, and Kathleen Kennedy was so impressed with what
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  Speaker 1: she did over there, she was like, please come over
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  Speaker 1: and direct this. She directed every episode. It was scored
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  Speaker 1: by Natalie Holt, which is a big deal, the first
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  Speaker 1: woman to score a live action Star Wars project. And also,
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  Speaker 1: I've been meaning to talk about women in the Composing
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  Speaker 1: world because they had a whole me too movement UM,
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  Speaker 1: and it really didn't get a lot of attention, so
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  Speaker 1: I have been thinking about that, um. But the big
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  Speaker 1: story was Moses Ingram, who played Riva, who was, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I should have set this at the top. No spoilers,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to do my best. No spoilers, okay, okay, okay,
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  Speaker 1: who is sort of the villain of this show, got
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  Speaker 1: a lot of sexist and racist responses and posted some
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  Speaker 1: of them UM and was basically like, what is my
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  Speaker 1: place here? What is that? Why is this happening? And
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  Speaker 1: then like Disney released a tweet that was like Reva's welcome,
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  Speaker 1: anyone who doesn't like her go away, and I want
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  Speaker 1: McGregor tweeted about it, um, which is better, unfortunately than
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  Speaker 1: the past response has been, especially because we have talked
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  Speaker 1: about the double standard before. We've seen with Marvel were
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  Speaker 1: like Chris Pratt gets told he's not the coolest Chris,
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  Speaker 1: and then every star comes out just like, oh cool,
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  Speaker 1: But then Bree Larson is like, I'm getting death threats
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  Speaker 1: and silence? Right Donald, I think it was Don Cheetle
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  Speaker 1: was the only one. I was like, hey, yo, how
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  Speaker 1: about we stop. Yes, it's abysmally small and it is
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  Speaker 1: less than ten for sure. So we have seen it
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  Speaker 1: before and it is incredibly unfortunate and incredibly disheartening, UM
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  Speaker 1: and these So this was better, but it doesn't feel
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  Speaker 1: like enough, Like it felt like they were just like
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  Speaker 1: we acknowledged it when we should really be doing something
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  Speaker 1: to address this. And I thought, you know, again, no spoilers,
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  Speaker 1: but I thought this character was great and I thought
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  Speaker 1: she did a great job she was phenomenal. She was phenomenal.
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  Speaker 1: Like that final scene, I was crying. There were tears
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  Speaker 1: the final scene with her, Oh my gosh, and I
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  Speaker 1: just I thought she was a great character. I thought
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  Speaker 1: it was a great arc um. I thought she was
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  Speaker 1: the heart of the show in a lot of ways,
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  Speaker 1: because it was her story that was really driving a
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  Speaker 1: lot of it, you know. And I'm trying not to
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  Speaker 1: do any spoilers, but I do want to talk about
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  Speaker 1: Tala and the unnecessary plot line, two different plot lines
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  Speaker 1: of like, why did they have to do it this way?
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand other than to give it. I guess
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  Speaker 1: some push in the plot very odd to me. But
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  Speaker 1: I won't I won't get it too into it. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just saying, I know, I'm happy to return to this
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  Speaker 1: Samantha for a spoiled I do. I was kind of
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  Speaker 1: briefly researching this earlier today and I read how it happened,
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  Speaker 1: like how this whole show got made, and it sounds
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  Speaker 1: like there were a lot of writers in different storylines
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  Speaker 1: that got picked up and dropped and changed and all
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  Speaker 1: of this stuff. So I think so of that was
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  Speaker 1: going on. But yeah, Ingram insisted she use her natural
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  Speaker 1: hair so black children could dresses her for Halloween, which
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  Speaker 1: I thought was really I love it. Yeah, I love
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  Speaker 1: that too. I love that too. Um. And then there
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  Speaker 1: was a little Leah who I loved. He was played
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  Speaker 1: by Vivian Alra Blair, and there was sexist response towards
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  Speaker 1: her a child. And unfortunately, again this is not new.
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  Speaker 1: He's saw that with ruin the Hunger Games, Like, it
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  Speaker 1: just infuriates me. All of this infuriates me. It's a
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  Speaker 1: kid like back off right right, And people were so
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  Speaker 1: mad about They were like, oh, she's either she's too
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  Speaker 1: annoying or she's like too powerful or too good. Right,
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  Speaker 1: what are you talking about? She's too smart? Smart kidding Leah.
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  Speaker 1: I would not mess with Lea at any age, never, right, right,
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  Speaker 1: She's strong, she's fierce, she knew the other part of that.
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  Speaker 1: There was a lot of questions again in this Red
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  Speaker 1: Cunning that I was like, I don't feel like she
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  Speaker 1: should know this bit. I don't feel like this was okay.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of I'm confused in this route. I
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  Speaker 1: don't get it. Um. And I went back and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, I was one of those was like, how
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  Speaker 1: did she know Wibi won? She doesn't like in the
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  Speaker 1: way that we I assumed it in New Hope, she
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  Speaker 1: didn't know we want But at one point a tweet
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  Speaker 1: that a person did was like being all all Luke
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  Speaker 1: said was Ben Canomi sent me and she knew who
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  Speaker 1: he was. And I was like, oh, that's true. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's a more familiar that could that could explain a
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  Speaker 1: little more. Okay, yeah, I might buy it. Now, I
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  Speaker 1: will say I mean again, this is not that episode.
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  Speaker 1: But you can read they I don't want to take
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  Speaker 1: away from any of the writers and people who worked
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  Speaker 1: on it, because they clearly thought about it and they
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  Speaker 1: had like reasoning for why they did everything they did.
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  Speaker 1: Because at first I was kind of like, I really
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  Speaker 1: enjoyed the show, but I was sort of like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this is just a really like you were like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this is nostalgic, this is cool. Here's this cameo, here's
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  Speaker 1: this cameo. But they really thought about it and how
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  Speaker 1: it was going to impact No New Hope or how
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  Speaker 1: it was going to work with a New Hope and
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  Speaker 1: how it's gonna work with the pecul trilogy. So it
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  Speaker 1: is interesting to see their reasoning because they have broken
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  Speaker 1: it down there like well, now, what do you think
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  Speaker 1: about Leah saying, oh, you're my only hope and he
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  Speaker 1: said this and like all this stuff, and I was like, okay, yeah, okay, okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I was too. I'm going to admit this, and it's
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  Speaker 1: a very privileged thing to admit, but I was too
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  Speaker 1: scared to go into the reddit Star Wars world, where
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  Speaker 1: I not that all of it is bad, but a
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  Speaker 1: lot of this, like negativity, hate, toxic fandom comes from
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  Speaker 1: places like that. So I know what I have read
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  Speaker 1: and people who have reported on it, And thanks to
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  Speaker 1: those people because you did the work for me, because
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  Speaker 1: I didn't want to go in there. And I we
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  Speaker 1: have talked about this before a lot, actually, because I
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  Speaker 1: am someone who is a fan of things, so I
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  Speaker 1: have to grapple with this toxic fandom. Bridget and I
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  Speaker 1: did an episode in twenty six about Star Wars and
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  Speaker 1: all the hate we were seeing for like Ray and
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  Speaker 1: Daisy Ridley at that point, um and at the time
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  Speaker 1: a significant amount of those social media post and the
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  Speaker 1: review bombing, which is also something that is happening with
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  Speaker 1: the show Mrs Marvel, which we were also going to
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  Speaker 1: talk about soon already at that episode, going is a
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  Speaker 1: lot of that was done by bots and is done
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  Speaker 1: by bots. Um And I don't want to ever say
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  Speaker 1: that there is not a contingent of absolutely abhorrent fans.
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  Speaker 1: And I put that quote because I don't think you're
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  Speaker 1: real fans. I'm going to say it. But I couldn't
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  Speaker 1: find any numbers about what's what it is now how
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  Speaker 1: much of this is being done by bots. Again, I
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  Speaker 1: know for effect there are some just terrible people and
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  Speaker 1: they are doing it. But I am curious about the
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  Speaker 1: bought aspect, especially with the review bombing, because some some
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  Speaker 1: people would just program it, program something it which just
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  Speaker 1: drop these terrible reviews. Um and Obi Wan Kenobi was
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  Speaker 1: a target of that as well. He got review bombed,
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  Speaker 1: and we've seen that with Marvel Movies. Brought Tomatoes had
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  Speaker 1: to change their entire policy based on it, and a
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  Speaker 1: lot of women and people of color, marginalized people have
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  Speaker 1: left social media literally because of this, Because of this,
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  Speaker 1: um And I think that's terrible. And as we've talked
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  Speaker 1: about a lot with Bridget, people more in the know
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  Speaker 1: about social media than me, like there should be a
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  Speaker 1: function where we can it should be a place that
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  Speaker 1: is so bad that people essentially for playing a role, right,
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  Speaker 1: are getting an opportunity of a life, of a big
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  Speaker 1: deal and doing it well, like it should be this
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  Speaker 1: happy that makes me so sad. It should be this
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  Speaker 1: happy thing, like, Oh, I got this role and I
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  Speaker 1: get to do this and it's my job. And then
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  Speaker 1: you have to deal with these assholes like right A.
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  Speaker 1: I saw a tweet in which this person came up
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  Speaker 1: and said, if you like these other Star Wars movies,
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  Speaker 1: then you're not a true fan. Uh and literally listen,
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  Speaker 1: if you like this character, if feel like this plot point,
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  Speaker 1: if you like this movie, then you are not a fan.
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  Speaker 1: And I really want to be like, so you're not
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  Speaker 1: a You're not a fan because you're what you're saying
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  Speaker 1: is you like three movies out of the franchise in
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  Speaker 1: the story, that's not the entirety of the franchise. So
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  Speaker 1: therefore you are not a Star Wars fan. I know
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  Speaker 1: people are gonna be like, how dare you? But that
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  Speaker 1: doesn't make it. If you are the one that only
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  Speaker 1: likes three out of eight, nine, twelve, fifteen parts of
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  Speaker 1: the series, you're the average. The ratio in itself means
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  Speaker 1: you're not a fan, right right? And I just think
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  Speaker 1: like you cannot like thing and you cannot like it
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  Speaker 1: in a way that is critical and fair. That's great,
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  Speaker 1: this is racist sexy stuff we're talking about. But if
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  Speaker 1: you are, like, if your whole fandom is coming from hate,
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  Speaker 1: like if the only thing of your fandom is essentially
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  Speaker 1: I hate this, you need to reevaluate something, right. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it definitely comes back from like when it comes down
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  Speaker 1: to it, you're taking something that was an original difference,
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  Speaker 1: which by the way, the original creator didn't like it
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  Speaker 1: and changed it over and over and over and over
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  Speaker 1: and again themselves because they the creator, like, we want
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  Speaker 1: to change those things because at the beginning it was
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  Speaker 1: focused on cis gender, white people point blank, and that's fine.
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  Speaker 1: It is what it's an aliens because obviously aliens. But
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  Speaker 1: like outside of that coming from they'll be like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: there wasn't opportunities to see that there are people of
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  Speaker 1: like people outside of this culture to be a part
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  Speaker 1: of it, so let's bring them in. And that's what
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  Speaker 1: makes you angry. You need to question why you liked
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  Speaker 1: anything to begin with, and the conversation of like you
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  Speaker 1: should be a Darth Vader fan and leave it at bat,
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  Speaker 1: because that's who you are. Yeah, you're the bad guy.
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  Speaker 1: Don't get started on that. Oh my gosh, yeah, you're
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  Speaker 1: a Sad Murder Dad. I'm sorry. Which I also have
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  Speaker 1: an episode going up about that shop. I really do that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not even making that up. Yeah, I mean we
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  Speaker 1: talked about that too with how a lot of like
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: really hardcore conservatives keep tweeting Empire stuff and we're like,
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: did you not get the message? Like, what are you doing? Right?
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  Speaker 1: I did? Darth Vader. Gosh, if this was a different podcast,
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  Speaker 1: I would go into the psychology of Darth Vader right now.
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  Speaker 1: Oh so many things I have to say about him.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe I'll talk about it in Sad Murder Dad, and
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  Speaker 1: maybe I'll make it a little present for myself. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I do think a lot of times I see these
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  Speaker 1: messages and I'm like, you're just missing the whole point,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't really know. Just go, just go it's
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  Speaker 1: making you so mad, just go away, It's okay, okay. Also,
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  Speaker 1: did you know every episode is a different is supposed
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  Speaker 1: to represent a different movie in the series, So like
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  Speaker 1: the first one is Bantam Menace, like you can see
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  Speaker 1: it and even in costuming and land that's pretty cool.
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. I also want to mention Peru because
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: you know I love Peru. We did an episode on her.
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  Speaker 1: I loved her in this show Prepared Ready to Go. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I loved her. And if you'll remember, in the episode
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  Speaker 1: we did about Brew at the end, I kind of
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  Speaker 1: mentioned I was like, I was pretty sure I read
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  Speaker 1: this thing, but I couldn't find it um about her
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  Speaker 1: being involved in slave liberation in tattooing, so maybe it's
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  Speaker 1: just fanning. It actually is true. I found it is
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  Speaker 1: in the book Queen's Hope. She was a part of
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  Speaker 1: this slave ring operation called the White Suns, which is
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  Speaker 1: her last name Um, which led her to Shami Skywalker
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  Speaker 1: and she got Owen and Clig Clig being the person
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  Speaker 1: who married Shami Skywalker to free her, and then Shami
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  Speaker 1: got involved. So she's cool. She's really cool. I love her.
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  Speaker 1: I like that back story. Yes, I do too, and
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  Speaker 1: I've been meaning to weed a Queen's Hope. We talked
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  Speaker 1: about it in our Prequels episode E K. Johnston. I believe,
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  Speaker 1: but yes, yes, es, yes. Anyway, this is kind of
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  Speaker 1: my spoiler free news round up, but I would love
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  Speaker 1: to come back and talk about it. Oh my goodness.
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  Speaker 1: I would love it. I could be your Star Wars guide.
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  Speaker 1: If you have questions, I've got answers about it is true,
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  Speaker 1: It is true. But in the meantime, listeners, if there's
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  Speaker 1: anything you would like for us to talk about, please
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