Latest / Chef's PSA Podcast / If You Compromise Your Standards You Fail Ep. 81
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- 0:00Hello Chefs, This is Chefs PSA Podcast.
- 0:02I'm your host, Andre Natera. On today's episode, we're going
- 0:05to talk about compromising standards and how it's a
- 0:07slippery slope to having none. Stay tuned.
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- 0:57Before we get started, here's a brief update I mentioned on the
- 0:59last episode. I finished writing the book The
- 1:0250 Most Important Chef's PSA's. Think of it as a continuation to
- 1:07the Line Cook survival Manual and How Not to Be the Biggest
- 1:10Idiot in the Kitchen. There's some crossover with both
- 1:12of those books. It's done.
- 1:14It's free. You can find the link in the
- 1:16show notes. Go get it.
- 1:18If you've enjoyed the other books, I think you'll enjoy this
- 1:20one. It's along the same lines, and
- 1:22it's a good starting point. If you don't have any standards
- 1:24for your new cooks, boom there, I wrote them for you.
- 1:26I could say all the things that you want to say that you can't,
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- 1:56But we digress on with the show. One of the biggest challenges I
- 1:59see people, executive chefs, chefs reaching out to me is how
- 2:03do they maintain the standards in their kitchen.
- 2:05It seems to be the most frequent thing.
- 2:07I'm asked, especially by executive chefs or sous chefs,
- 2:12how do I deal with all this chaos that I'm experiencing and
- 2:16people not respecting me or my standards in the kitchen?
- 2:20And I can tell you from experience, having standards is
- 2:23not a bad thing and it's become a little bit trendy.
- 2:26I've noticed, at least in conversations I've had with
- 2:28other chefs, because I've noticed this kind of freestyle,
- 2:31free for all, kitchen management style for the recipes change.
- 2:35There's no specific set way on how to do things.
- 2:39Everyone marches to the beater of their own drum.
- 2:41Someone who worked at one restaurant does it this way.
- 2:43Someone who worked at another restaurant does it this way.
- 2:45They showed me in culinary school.
- 2:46I'm going to do it this way, but when you have no standards, what
- 2:49I notice is that people default to the path of least resistance.
- 2:52No one ever says let me make my job a little bit harder because
- 2:55I want it to be just a little bit more perfect, a little more
- 2:57swaynier. The default setting on most
- 2:59people is to make it easier. They want to make it easier on
- 3:03them, which doesn't necessarily mean better for you or your
- 3:06guest. When I was a young executive
- 3:09chef, I loved being liked by everyone in the kitchen.
- 3:13I wanted to be everyone's favorite.
- 3:14I was a young chef. I wanted to cook good food.
- 3:18I could throw down in the kitchen and create beautiful
- 3:20things, and I wanted everyone to like me.
- 3:22And I had this freestyle cooking approach where I would execute
- 3:25all the very difficult food, but I wouldn't really show anyone
- 3:28how to do it because I thought it would be too difficult to
- 3:31train them. So I took on the majority of the
- 3:33work. One day I created this dish.
- 3:35I don't remember what it was, but it was complicated and it
- 3:38was only for about 30 people. At the same time, I had a
- 3:41catering for about 800 people. My boss came up to me and said,
- 3:45hey, who's going to execute this dish?
- 3:47It seems very complicated. The one for 20 people.
- 3:49I said, well, I'm going to do it.
- 3:50And he says, why are you going to do it so well?
- 3:53Because no one else here knows how to do this level of food.
- 3:55And he said, don't you think that it's more important for the
- 3:58head chef to be making sure the big party goes well?
- 4:01And I argued that no one knew how to do this fancy dish that I
- 4:05had created and I needed to be there for the 20.
- 4:07And my boss, you know, he was a former chef.
- 4:10He comes up to me and he gets really close.
- 4:11And he says, you're not in the little leagues anymore.
- 4:14I pay you to be the chef, not to be a cook, he says.
- 4:17You need to be at the big party and you need to teach someone
- 4:19how to do the other one. It was a lesson that I learned
- 4:22because I wanted to own everything.
- 4:23I didn't want anyone to learn anything.
- 4:26I didn't want to take the time to invest in people, to train
- 4:28them to become better. I didn't really also have any
- 4:30standards. I had standards for myself that
- 4:32I wouldn't show anyone. Later on.
- 4:34Fast forward a bit. In my career, the kitchens where
- 4:37I had no standards, even though I could cook very well, I was
- 4:41not successful. My most success that I've ever
- 4:45achieved in a kitchen was the place where I had the most
- 4:48amount of standards. It was kind of the embryonic
- 4:50stages of chef's PSA because it was everything.
- 4:53Fold your towels, cut your tape, set your cutting board up like
- 4:56this Label has to go exactly right here on that line under
- 5:00the deli cup. Make sure everything is covered
- 5:02in the lined and straight. Only scrub the tables using a
- 5:05back and forth motion. Then squeegee was a method of
- 5:09hierarchy on how I wanted everyone to clean language.
- 5:12We used Call back Chef Loud. There were so many standards.
- 5:17This is how we fillet the salmon.
- 5:18This is how we fillet the fish. This is how we sear the fish.
- 5:21The brine is exactly this. Purees are done exactly this
- 5:25way. No boxes on the tables, no boxes
- 5:27in the kitchen. So many standards were
- 5:29introduced and the cooks loved it.
- 5:32Initially I thought that I'd get a lot of pushback, but the more
- 5:35standards I introduced, the more they enjoyed working.
- 5:39There it was identifying the rules to the game.
- 5:42If you have two people playing a game, let's say they're playing
- 5:44chess, but you say it's a free for all you can play however you
- 5:47want. No one's going to know how to
- 5:49win. But once you identify what the
- 5:51rules are to the game, then the game is beatable.
- 5:53The game is winnable. The same thing applies in the
- 5:55kitchen. When cooks and chefs know
- 5:57exactly what the expectations are, the expectations are clear.
- 6:01They know how to succeed in the kitchen, they know the path to
- 6:04promotion, they know what's expected of them when they
- 6:06arrive at work, and they know they're going to be held
- 6:09accountable when things are done that are counter to the culture
- 6:13in the workplace standards. And I say this often, how you
- 6:16work when no one is watching is even more important than how you
- 6:20work when people are watching. When the chef is in the room,
- 6:22everyone buttons up. Everyone works a little
- 6:24different. But when the chef leaves,
- 6:26everyone operates a little different.
- 6:27Maybe the radio comes on, maybe the Magic Chef juice comes out
- 6:32and the food gets better. Anyway, we digress.
- 6:34When I was a young cook, I was a sous chef and the line got
- 6:37smashed rail full of tickets. Chaos.
- 6:40Busy servers are running around pouring gasoline on themselves,
- 6:44lighting themselves on fire, and I needed to pump the food out
- 6:47and I had to do this dessert and I don't even remember what I
- 6:50did, but I know I didn't do it to standard.
- 6:53It was just for me at that point.
- 6:54It was just like, sell the food, get it out, customers need to
- 6:56eat. And I deliberately compromised
- 6:59the quality and deviated from the standard.
- 7:01Now my chef saw me, saw me out of the corner of his eyes and he
- 7:05walked up to me and he says you're better than that.
- 7:08I'm disappointed and I'll never forget that.
- 7:10It was one of those moments where he didn't yell at me, he
- 7:13didn't embarrass me, he didn't scream.
- 7:15Just the simple fact that he said I'm disappointed and you're
- 7:19better than that. My heart sunk because he was
- 7:21right. I knew I was breaking standard
- 7:24and I thought no would see and that was an important lesson for
- 7:27me. And it's important that you have
- 7:29someone on your team that is also holding you accountable,
- 7:31because if you're the rule maker, you can't operate as
- 7:34Caesar is above the law. A rule, for one, is a rule for
- 7:38none. Meaning if you're the chef and
- 7:40you're allowed to do this, but the cooks are not allowed to do
- 7:42that, what do you think happens as soon as you leave?
- 7:44If you say no one's allowed to eat the steak, and then you go
- 7:48and eat a steak, guess what happens?
- 7:50And you say no one's allowed to eat the steak As soon as you
- 7:52leave, They're all eating steak. They're probably making more
- 7:56than just steaks, right? Because the standard that you
- 7:59display is what the standard is. And if you, as the chef cannot
- 8:03follow that standard, then it shouldn't be a standard.
- 8:06Because I promise you, they're all watching.
- 8:09And not only are they watching, but as soon as you step out the
- 8:11room, there's they're talking about it.
- 8:13They're talking about you behind your back and saying they tell
- 8:17us to do this, meanwhile they go do it.
- 8:19How? How do they expect us to do
- 8:21that? When I see them do it?
- 8:23It's a double standard. It cannot exist.
- 8:25So when you're going to implement standards, those
- 8:27standards cannot be compromised and they can't be compromised
- 8:31when it's busy and they can't be compromised when it's slow.
- 8:33And they can't be compromised when they're you're short
- 8:35staffed because the 2nd that you start making exceptions is the
- 8:392nd that the lines get blurred and people don't know, well, is
- 8:42that really a standard or is that only a standard?
- 8:44When right? When are the exceptions to the
- 8:46rule? Now if you're going to have an
- 8:47exception to the rule, I think it's important that you clearly
- 8:49outline what those exceptions are.
- 8:52So people don't say, well, you did it last time.
- 8:55Well, I did it last time because, and here's why it's the
- 8:57exception to the rule. Because if you don't articulate
- 9:00that, and if that's not written down and if people don't
- 9:01understand, then it's a very slippery slope.
- 9:04Because there will be drift on the standard and you'll stop
- 9:07paying attention to it and you'll stop following up.
- 9:10Because as the chef, you get busy and you forgot about it and
- 9:14then you come back and you notice what was the standard no
- 9:17longer resembles it at all. It's now drifted and you got to
- 9:21pull it back in. Don't make it a standard if you
- 9:23can't hold yourself and your team accountable to it.
- 9:25Also, don't make standards that are not realistic.
- 9:28We all have lofty goals and we all want to be perfect.
- 9:31But if you can't introduce standards that everyone could
- 9:33do, there's no point in introducing them.
- 9:35Wait. Wait till you get better.
- 9:36Wait till you get the resources that you need to make sure it is
- 9:39a standard. Because the more you compromise,
- 9:42the more people push. And if you're a chef leader,
- 9:46people love to test you and people love to push.
- 9:48And their little push is at the beginning, They're just going to
- 9:50do this and they're going to say, oh, chef didn't say
- 9:52anything, I'm going to push a little further.
- 9:54And if they know that they pushed you and you didn't say
- 9:57anything, they're going to move the line a little further and a
- 10:00little further and a little further.
- 10:02And before you know it, you're standing on the edge of chaos.
- 10:05And it's very difficult to come back from that because at that
- 10:08point, people realize there's no standards, it's chaos.
- 10:11They know there's also no consequences and you're not
- 10:14going to hold them accountable. And when it's chaos and there's
- 10:16no accountability, as they say, the fish stinks from the head.
- 10:20You're the chef. You're accountable.
- 10:22You have to answer for it. You have to answer for
- 10:24everybody. That's one of the things that
- 10:25people don't fully think about as the chef.
- 10:28You didn't do it, they did it. But you're responsible.
- 10:31You have responsibility and authority for the people that
- 10:33work under you. So if you're not holding them
- 10:35accountable, then you're condoning the behavior.
- 10:37It's a tough leadership lesson to learn as a chef.
- 10:40You have to almost stay on fire all the time.
- 10:44You have to have a Hawkeye, You have to notice every single
- 10:46detail. You have to be inspecting the
- 10:48standards until they become autopilot for everybody.
- 10:50And when the standards do become the automatic default setting,
- 10:55that's when you really have greatness in your kitchen.
- 10:57When people know that this is the way it is and they don't
- 10:59have to be reminded. But it's not easy, as Danny
- 11:03Meyer says, in setting the table constant gentle pressure, it's
- 11:06constant little adjustments. Adjusting this, making sure the
- 11:10chives are cut like that. The brunois is perfect.
- 11:13The sear is this way, maybe a little too much oil in the pan,
- 11:16maybe it was too hot. You got to turn it down.
- 11:18That fancy little knob, that magic little thing that can
- 11:21adjust the heat. Learn how to use it.
- 11:24But constantly tweaking and refining and making sure that
- 11:27people are able to execute your vision and your standard, it's
- 11:31your responsibility. It's not their responsibility if
- 11:34you're not holding them accountable.
- 11:36If you're not holding them accountable, they're not
- 11:37responsible for it. So you have to inspect what you
- 11:40expect and also expect what you expect.
- 11:44And when it's not done, you have to correct it.
- 11:46And I'm not talking about blowing up and getting mad at
- 11:48everyone. I'm talking about just simply
- 11:49going up and saying, hey, this is how we do it.
- 11:51Let me explain to you why, which is also a critical learning when
- 11:55trying to implement standards. You can't just say do this
- 11:58because I said so. There has to be a why behind it.
- 12:01People learn with the why. I want you to fold your towels.
- 12:04Why do I need to fold my towel? Because if you don't fold your
- 12:07towels and you use it, once it's dirty it's soiled.
- 12:10You only get three towels of service and by folding them your
- 12:14station stays tidy. You learn to work clean and you
- 12:16get an exponential amount of uses out of it.
- 12:19Boom. Now I understand the why.
- 12:21Now I will believe in it. Why do you cut the tape short?
- 12:23Well, because if you use a tape that's that long versus tape
- 12:27that's that long. If it's five times the length,
- 12:30it's also five times the cost. That's why you cut it short,
- 12:33because everything is important in the kitchen.
- 12:35The decisions can't be arbitrary.
- 12:37There has to be a reasoning why behind it.
- 12:39Now, I'm not saying that decisions won't be arbitrary.
- 12:42There's going to be a couple that you say.
- 12:43I just like it that way. Why do we do that?
- 12:45Both? Because Chef just likes it that
- 12:46way. It's not necessarily the best
- 12:47reason, but it does happen. And if it does happen and you
- 12:50need to explain, This is why I like it that way.
- 12:53It's personal preference. And explain to them that it is,
- 12:56It is your personal preference. At least be transparent about
- 13:00why it is what it is, because they're going to say it anyway
- 13:02behind your back. It's better that they know the
- 13:04truth and you're able to admit it, and they could most likely
- 13:08get behind that. There's going to come a time
- 13:10when your standards have drifted and you got to get them back on
- 13:13track, or you're coming into a new kitchen and you got to get
- 13:15them back on track. It's important to be upfront,
- 13:18transparent, and clearly outline what the standards are.
- 13:21But it starts with you, It starts with you holding yourself
- 13:23accountable, and then you hold one person accountable and you
- 13:26tell them you need to hold that person accountable.
- 13:30And little by little, that accountability starts to spread.
- 13:33I like to take an approach when talking to a group.
- 13:36I implement the standards with as much people, so everyone
- 13:39could hear it because there's nothing worse than just telling
- 13:42one person what the new standard is and they don't tell anyone
- 13:44else. And they're saying, well, Chef
- 13:46said, well, chef didn't tell me. Did chef really say that or are
- 13:50you saying that and there's a little bit of friction between
- 13:54the two line level chefs. Is it true?
- 13:56Did you really say that as the chef, I don't know, put yourself
- 14:00in their shoes. It's going to lead to more
- 14:01confusion. It's better to be direct
- 14:03upfront. If you could document it, great.
- 14:06Make sure you outline exactly what all the standards are, and
- 14:09one of the last things I'll say is when a standard is not
- 14:12working, it's OK to say you know what, that's no longer a
- 14:15standard. We've changed our mind on it.
- 14:17As they say, as the information changes or your experience with
- 14:20things change, you're allowed to change your mind.
- 14:24Don't get so dug in that something's a standard that
- 14:26you're not open to. New ways, more efficient and
- 14:29better ways to do things often. Joke around, no cares how you
- 14:32did your last job or school or whatever, But the truth of the
- 14:35matter is, is you're going to work with people that have good
- 14:38ideas that have come from other restaurants or other kitchens.
- 14:40And maybe they don't need to say it on the first day, but maybe
- 14:43you need to pick people's brains also and say how did you do
- 14:46that? How did they do it there?
- 14:47Do you know of a more efficient way When someone comes to you
- 14:49and says, I have a more efficient way to do that, You
- 14:52need to make sure as the chef you're creating an environment
- 14:55where people feel confident enough to bring up new ideas.
- 14:58Because that's how you're going to innovate.
- 15:00If you're in an environment that you've created where people are
- 15:03not comfortable bringing up new ideas and then you are the sole
- 15:07generator of ideas. And as I like to say, one of us
- 15:11is not better than all of us. Force multiplier, if you're
- 15:14leveraging your entire team and the knowledge of everyone on the
- 15:17team. So don't be afraid to change the
- 15:20standard. I talked about earlier how I was
- 15:23most successful where I had the most amount of standards.
- 15:25And all those standards came from a group of different chefs
- 15:28that all had different backgrounds.
- 15:29We all got together in A room and we said we need to open up
- 15:33something great and we wanted to be special and we wanted to be
- 15:35memorable and we want to have the best cooks.
- 15:37How do we do that? Everyone had different
- 15:39backgrounds from different restaurants.
- 15:41Some were coming from restaurants at the World's Fifty
- 15:43Best Michelin 3 star restaurants, one star
- 15:46restaurants, or some were just from the good local restaurant.
- 15:50Now, me being the chef, I had to be the decider of what the
- 15:54standard was going to be. So two people may have had
- 15:57differing opinions on what the standard should have been.
- 16:00I had to exercise my 51% of the vote as the chef and say you
- 16:03know what? I've heard you both it's going
- 16:05to be a combination or it's going to be neither.
- 16:07It's going to be mine or you know what, I like this one.
- 16:08We're going to go with that. And as I was selecting the
- 16:11standard, it was also important for me to know that that is a
- 16:15realistic standard for my kitchen because I didn't want to
- 16:19implement standards that were not realistic for the team, for
- 16:22the skill level, for the amount of people that were managing or
- 16:24for the food that we were doing. You have to do some self
- 16:27analysis and introspection to make sure that you're not
- 16:30putting yourself in a situation where you have so many
- 16:32standards. It prevents you from having a
- 16:34successful service balancing act.
- 16:37You're walking the razor's edge in order to become a great chef.
- 16:41That's what people don't understand.
- 16:42I get a lot of questions. It's like, what's the right way
- 16:44to do this? Like there is no right way.
- 16:47There's not a perfect answer for everything because what works in
- 16:49one kitchen doesn't necessarily work in another.
- 16:52It's not always a cookbook answer.
- 16:54Where the recipe always works, it ain't where you from, it's
- 16:57where you at anyway. Compromising your standards is a
- 17:00slippery slope to having none. Don't compromise on your
- 17:03standards. Stay strong.
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