Latest / Spacious Success / 017 | Women Fantasise About Being Sick: What It Signals About Modern Work
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- 0:00Hi, it's Dr. Christy Goodwin. Welcome back to the Spacious Success podcast. There's
- 0:10a thought that I hear surprisingly often, sometimes after keynotes, in coaching sessions
- 0:15or over a conversation with a friend. And it's rarely set out loud, and it's often
- 0:20said with a shared sense of embarrassment, and it's almost never posted on LinkedIn. It
- 0:26usually sounds something like this. Sometimes I wish I'd just get sick for a week so that
- 0:31I could rest. Not seriously sick, just enough so that the worlds could stop asking questions
- 0:38of me. Enough to step off the treadmill without having to explain why. And sometimes when
- 0:43women are really honest, enough to land in hospital for just a few days, just to be
- 0:49unburdened, just to have no one need anything from them for a moment in time and without
- 0:55the guilt. A recent article in the Australian Financial Review explored exactly this concept.
- 1:02Why are so many women quietly fantasising about disappearing for a while, about getting
- 1:07sick or injured? If you've had that thought, I want you to know you are not alone. And
- 1:13I find that just saying that out aloud to a woman, I sometimes hear the sigh of relief.
- 1:19Because many of us have quietly questioned our mental health for even having that particular
- 1:25thought. I want to say from the outset, it may be common, but it's not normal to feel
- 1:31like this. I don't say this to add to your guilt for you to question your mental health.
- 1:36I say this so that you recognise these feelings are a signal that things aren't working
- 1:41in your life. We're designed to thrive, not to barely survive. In today's episode, I
- 1:48want to unpack why this fantasy is so widespread because it is, what it's actually signalling
- 1:53to us and what more importantly, we can do about it.
- 1:58Hi, I'm Dr. Krusty Goodwin, a neuroperformance scientist, speaker and executive coach who
- 2:03learned the hard way that chasing success can come at a cost. After burnout landed me
- 2:09in hospital, I made it my mission to help ambitious women who are done trading their health
- 2:16and happiness for high performance. On spacious success, I share science-backed strategies
- 2:24and real stories to help you flourish as a female at work and beyond so you can stop
- 2:32paying the success tax.
- 2:39A few months ago, I was working with a coaching client. She was, and is, brilliant, warm.
- 2:46She's quietly hilarious. She runs operations for a fast growing tech company. She had
- 2:51a full plate before her recent promotion, and by the time we started working together,
- 2:56the plate, well, let's say it had become a banquet table. In one of our coaching sessions,
- 3:01she said something that stopped me in the middle.
- 3:05Krusty, I keep having this fantasy she said. She looked around. I imagine getting a
- 3:09mild case of food poisoning. Nothing hospital worthy, just enough that I have to stay in bed
- 3:16for three days with no one needing anything from me, no one asking for anything, no meals
- 3:21to make, just legitimate permission for me to do absolutely nothing. And she laughed when
- 3:27she said it, and she also clarified that this was an drastic measure to lose weight,
- 3:32but there was something underneath that laugh. Relief at naming it. Recognition that it
- 3:38was real. A pan of guilt for verbalising something that she deep down knew wasn't right.
- 3:45And this woman is not alone, not even close to being alone. I hear versions of this in
- 3:50coaching sessions constantly. Friends often confess to me over dinner, and I certainly hear
- 3:56it in conversations with delegates after keynotes. I wish I could get a mild concussion, so
- 4:02I'd have a reason to rest is something someone said to me just a couple of weeks ago. Sometimes
- 4:07I genuinely envy people when they get sick because they get to stop without explanation.
- 4:12I've heard that one before. I drove past work last week hoping for a small fender bender.
- 4:17Nothing serious, just something that would have me have to go home and rest. When I share
- 4:23these stories with audiences, the recognition and the uncomfortabilities instant. Women
- 4:29not some laugh, some cry. Because they too have had that very thought, and they've never
- 4:35actually heard somebody say it out aloud. These are not pathological thoughts, they're
- 4:40not laziness or weakness. I believe their symptoms. Symptoms of a culture and a system
- 4:46that has removed a high performing woman's permission to rest without justification. But
- 4:54I want to go further than that. Because this is not just women's wellbeing issue, I believe
- 4:59it's a performance signal. And organizations need to start reading it and recognising
- 5:05it as that. This is also not just an issue for high performing women, but men too. Let
- 5:12me start by what's happening in the workplace itself, because the pressure profile across
- 5:17the industries I work with is unfortunately remarkably consistent. I tend to work in organisations
- 5:23like law, finance, professional services, consulting, real estate, high cognitive load,
- 5:30constant digital interruptions, back-to-back meetings, decisions with real financial and
- 5:35reputational consequences. Lay it on top of that is the constant digital deluge we experience.
- 5:41Slacks, teams, messages, emails running simultaneously. Smartphones that mean work travels with
- 5:48us everywhere. Hybrid arrangements that completely blur every boundary we once had. And an unspoken
- 5:55tech expectation of constant responsiveness. We've engineered workplaces for speed, availability
- 6:01and output, but we haven't paused to think about what our brain and biology needs for sustainable
- 6:07performance. I often say our human operating system, our HOS, is the biological infrastructure
- 6:13that will power our performance. It's your physiology, it's your nervous system. We need
- 6:19effort and recovery. But modern work looks like a constant stream of notifications, messages,
- 6:25deadlines on repeat. The system never powers down and over time that shows up in our wellbeing
- 6:32and our performance. Now, layer on top of that for many women, what they're navigating outside
- 6:38of work, what's sometimes called the second shift, household coordination, emotional labour, family
- 6:44logistics, caring responsibilities, and then add the double digital burden, the work and personal
- 6:50life now mediated through a screen. And their capacity is stretched even further. So the fantasy
- 6:57of disappearing for a while, not really is not about escape, it's about permission to pause,
- 7:03permission to rest, because the professional environments, for many of us, the only socially
- 7:09acceptable way to step away is illness or injury. Not natural rest, imposed rest, demanded
- 7:17loudly enough that no one could argue with us when we seek. And here's the performance cost.
- 7:24Research from Gardner actually tells us that proactive recovery can boost performance by up to
- 7:2926%. Yet many high performers still feel like they need to be unwel or injured to justify their
- 7:36rest, rather than protecting and being proactive about their recovery as a performance strategy
- 7:43that it actually is. Rest isn't frivolous, it is a performance mechanism. From a neuroscience
- 7:51perspective, this is what is happening underneath the fantasy. I believe women's nervous systems
- 7:57show some distinct patterns in their stress response and recovery. Research indicates, for example,
- 8:04that women tend to have a higher baseline of cortisol levels and it takes them longer to return
- 8:09to that baseline after a stressful event. What this means practically is that stress is accumulated
- 8:15across the demanding days and weeks, and we never really fully recover. And so it compounds.
- 8:22The stress tank never fully empties between these demands. Add to this, the Alison Dominguez
- 8:28research on anticipatory labour, the cognitive work of predicting needs before they arise.
- 8:34Women we often scan the environment for problems that have not yet been made. Not just responding
- 8:40to demands, but constantly monitoring for them. This is active working memory, consuming processing
- 8:47power in our brain. And it's happening parallel with everything else that we do all day.
- 8:53Layer on that, our cyclical biology is women. And we have changes in our energy, our focus,
- 8:58our recovery needs. They vary according to our circadian rhythms and they measure and change
- 9:05on our monthly hormonal rhythms too. We are built for cycles, yet most workplace structures treat
- 9:11all hours of equivalent. Our biology does not. Your biology and your body and your brain is sending
- 9:18signals that you need to rest. I'm depleted. I can't keep running at this pace. But the absence of
- 9:25social permission to listen to those signals means that our unconscious mind is searching for
- 9:31scenarios that would make resting non-negotiable approved. This is why illness and injury are what we
- 9:39consider socially approved imposed rest. Because as women, we've learned through years of social
- 9:45conditioning that I am tired is not a sufficient reason. I have too much on. It's also not a sufficient
- 9:52reason. I need to recover equally not sufficient. But to say that I'm injured or unwell, well,
- 9:59that's permission to pause. That comes from an inherited model of motherhood where we often equate
- 10:07exhaustion with virtue. The hard worker is the one who never stops. We've absorbed these models
- 10:13early and many of us are still running these models without ever stopping to question whether they
- 10:18actually serve us or enslave us. We see this playing out in satirical memes on Instagram. As you
- 10:25might see if you're watching the video, we're working mums are shown to be juggling 20 things
- 10:30simultaneously. I think we've adopted the mother martyr mode and we're perpetuating that with
- 10:35social media. Sometimes as high performing women, we're our own worst enemy. I see many accomplished
- 10:43ambitious women set impossible standards for themselves. The immaculate home, the homemade birthday
- 10:49cake, the volunteer role on the school committee on top of a 60 hour work week. The inbox by zero
- 10:55is inbox zero by 8 pm. The workout that didn't happen somehow feeling like a moral failure.
- 11:02And we've been told we can have it all, you just can't do it all. And that's not true either.
- 11:07Listen to episode five where I debunk that super woman myth. There is a quote that I often
- 11:13share in keynotes that tends to stop women in their tracks. It's from Nicola, Jane Hobbes,
- 11:18who's an author and it goes like this. Growing up, I never knew a relaxed woman.
- 11:24Successful woman, yes, productive women, plenty, anxious and afraid and apologetic women,
- 11:30heaps of them, but relaxed women at ease women, women who don't dissect their days into half
- 11:37hour slots of productivity, women who prioritize rest and pleasure and play, women who aren't afraid
- 11:43to take up space in the world, women who give themselves unconditional permission to rest
- 11:50without guilt, without apology, without feeling like they need to earn it. I'm not sure I've ever
- 11:58met a woman like that, but I would like to become one. The reason this land so hard that it's not
- 12:05just recognition, it's biology. We're wired to copy the women around us. Mirror neurons in our
- 12:11brain mean that the neural circuits fire when we perform an action, what we have observed
- 12:17someone else performing. It's a core mechanism of social learning. We do not just intellectually
- 12:24absorb the behavior of the other women that we grew up with and we're watching, we internalise
- 12:29it at a neurobiological level. The women who modeled success for us were often perpetually exhausted,
- 12:35perpetually busy, perpetually the last one on their list, and it is a pattern and a belief
- 12:42that we perpetuate. It's embedded in how our brains learn to operate and changing it requires more
- 12:49than just insight. It requires deliberate and repeated exposure to a different model of success.
- 12:56What I call spacious success. I want to gently remind you that something can be common without
- 13:02it being normal. When capable, high performing women are fantasising about being ill or injured,
- 13:09as the only route to rest, that's not a resilience problem. It is a design problem in how we work.
- 13:17It's speaking to systems that are completely misaligned with how humans can sustain their energy,
- 13:23their attention and their decision-making capacity. I call this working out of sync with our HOS.
- 13:30And when we override our HOS long enough, the system pushes back. Sometimes through burnout,
- 13:36sometimes through poor decision-making, reduced-focused, increased reactivity. This is why we snap
- 13:41at our partner over the most trivial of things. Maybe it's declining performance over time.
- 13:47The organisations that will outperform the next in the next decade are the ones that are pushing,
- 13:53are not pushing their people harder. They are the ones that are understanding how humans actually
- 13:59perform and designing work accordingly. Three things that you can do with this, whether you are
- 14:09navigating yourself or whether you are perhaps leading a team. The first one is to reframe
- 14:16rest as a performance type of infrastructure. It's not a reward. In my keynotes, I often say that
- 14:24rest is a right and a responsibility. It's not a reward. The most important shift I see in my
- 14:31coaching clients is this, because everything follows from it. Rest is not something that you
- 14:37earn through sufficient productivity. It's actually what makes productivity possible in the first
- 14:44place. Your brain consolidates learning during sleep. Your nervous system recalibrates during
- 14:50regular and genuine downtime. Your prefrontal cortex, that CEO or air traffic control system of your
- 14:56brain, it really only has a four to six hour battery life, so you need to unwind. You need to digitally
- 15:03disconnect. This is not an indulgence. It is a professional responsibility. It is not a luxury.
- 15:12Proactive recovery is not a nice to have. It is a measurable, crucial performance lever.
- 15:19The second is to build microbial recovery architecture into your days. A three hour visit
- 15:25to a day spa is a nice to have, but it's not achievable for many women to do consistently.
- 15:31It cannot compensate for a sustained absence of daily recovery. Research tells us that what works
- 15:38are what I call piccolo breaks. Two to ten minute breaks where you pause. A walk outside at midday,
- 15:45sighing between meetings, sitting in your car for five minutes before you walk into the house,
- 15:50closing your eyes for 30 seconds between your virtual meetings, not to sleep, but to give your
- 15:56occipital low, which processes all the visual input from screens, a much needed break. These aren't
- 16:02indulgent habits. They give your nervous system time to reboot, and it stops the accumulated
- 16:09depletion that leads us to fantasizing about getting sleep. Follow the Nat Ministry on Instagram,
- 16:15or read Nicola Jane Hobbs' excellent book called The Relaxed Women. Links to both of these are
- 16:20in the show notes. And the third is to practice what I call a rest rebellion. Start small.
- 16:27Take a break not because you've cleared enough from your to-do list, not because you've earned it,
- 16:32but because your body is asking for it. Leave work on time without explaining why. Say no to one
- 16:38thing this week without a detailed justification. These will feel uncomfortable at first,
- 16:43and that discomfort is information. It tells you exactly how deeply the permission structure
- 16:49has been embedded into your biology, and every small act of rest will start to help you rewire
- 16:56those neural pathways. For leaders, stop asking how can we get more out of our people,
- 17:02but instead how can we design work where people can sustainably perform? That means clear digital
- 17:08boundaries, real flexibility, not rewarding or promoting people who exhaust and burn themselves
- 17:15recovery that's genuinely built into the rhythm of work and cultures where rest isn't requiring
- 17:22an illness or an injury. We need leaders walking the talk and sharing what they do to recover,
- 17:28because when high performing women are quietly fantasizing about getting sick,
- 17:34just to get a break, that's not a personal issue. It's a loud system signal, and you need to
- 17:41listen to it. This week's power up is that you need one permission-free period to rest.
- 17:50Identify one moment in the next five days where you will rest simply because your body is asking
- 17:56for it, not because you've earned it, not because you are sick, just because rest is a biological
- 18:03right and not a reward. Notice what comes up when you try, the urge to justify it or to end it
- 18:09quicker, the guilt that will arrive uninvited, the sense that you should be doing something else.
- 18:15The discomfort is your permission structure pushing back, and that's exactly what needs to shift.
- 18:24I run a group performance program called Applied, and this takes this conversation into
- 18:30organizations with neuroscience, we use wearable data and practical frameworks to help people build
- 18:36environments where high performing women and men can actually sustain performance over time.
- 18:43If your team needs this conversation, please reach out via my website. I'm Dr. Christy Goodwin,
- 18:49thank you for listening to Spacious Success.