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'Cult Mom' Lori Vallow claims she's getting 'peeped on' behind bars · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: children remain missing their mother. Cult mum Lorie Valo has
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Speaker 1: just appeared in court again demanding a lower bond, demanding
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Speaker 1: to walk free, and insisting she is being mistreated behind
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Speaker 1: bars because she's being secret or surreptitiously recorded. But still
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Speaker 1: she gives no hint or suggestion as to the welfare
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Speaker 1: of her too missing children, JJ and TYLEI. Crime Stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. I, Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. While a cult mom,
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Speaker 1: Laurie Valo is very concerned about her own well being
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Speaker 1: and her own release and lowered bond from behind bars,
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Speaker 1: apparently not as concerned about her children. Why does she
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Speaker 1: refuse to reveal their whereabouts? That can't be good. In
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Speaker 1: the last hours, her mother and sister have broken their
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Speaker 1: silence and they are insisting that Laurie never expressed Laurie
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Speaker 1: Valo cult mom resentment toward her children. That Lorie Valo
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Speaker 1: can't tell them where the children are because she's in
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Speaker 1: jail and everything is recorded. Okay, that is a load
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Speaker 1: of bs. That's a technical legal term with me and
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Speaker 1: I'll star panel to break it down and put it
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Speaker 1: back together again. Ashue Wilcott, judge, trial lawyer, Court TV
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Speaker 1: anchor at Ashue Wilcott dot com, Karen Start, New York
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Speaker 1: psychologist at Karenstart dot com, director of the Cold Case
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Speaker 1: Research Institute, and forensics expert Cheryl McCollum, Professor of Forensics
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet, death
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Speaker 1: investigator Joe Scott Morgan. But right now to Nate Eton,
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Speaker 1: reporter with East Idaho News dot com. Nate on the
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Speaker 1: story from the get go, Nate, help me out. I've
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Speaker 1: been in many, many jails, and nothing would stop you
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Speaker 1: from writing. If you think you're being recorded, which you
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Speaker 1: are during visitations. Everybody knows that that's not secret. You
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Speaker 1: could easily write a note or mouth the words to
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Speaker 1: your family to tell them where are the children? So
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Speaker 1: this is all just bogus, these sisters saying Laurie can't
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Speaker 1: tell me where the children are because she's in jails. Well,
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Speaker 1: not only that, Nancy Laurie was not booked into jail
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Speaker 1: until March. The children have not been seen since the fall,
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Speaker 1: so there were several months there where they could have
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Speaker 1: communicated with her. If they were worried about calls being recorded,
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Speaker 1: why didn't they approach her around Christmas time at the
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Speaker 1: beginning of the year. We found Chat and Laurie in
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Speaker 1: Hawaii in January. They weren't arrested for another month, so
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Speaker 1: there was a month there that the kids were not
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Speaker 1: with their parents. One would think that you could call
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Speaker 1: over in Hawaii and say, hey, we noticed JJ entirely
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Speaker 1: weren't on the news with you. Where are they? So
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Speaker 1: I don't know if very many people are agreeing with
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Speaker 1: this defense that we can't ask her where they are
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Speaker 1: because the calls are being recorded. That seems a little
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Speaker 1: far fetched to many people. There are so many dead
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Speaker 1: bodies connected to cult Mom Lorie Valoe, and we call
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Speaker 1: her cult Mom because she is deep, deep into prepared
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Speaker 1: the people cult that believe the end of the world
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Speaker 1: is happening in July. You know, I'm going to put
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Speaker 1: it a hard question to you, Nate, and that is,
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Speaker 1: I believe it's fifty fifty The children could be dead
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Speaker 1: or alive. If they're alive, they're tucked away with people
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Speaker 1: in this cult, and I, like you, find it really
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Speaker 1: difficult to believe. Valo's mother and sister have never said
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Speaker 1: where are the children, So either they're lying or cult
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Speaker 1: Mom won't tell them. You know, Nate Eton that in
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Speaker 1: this cult they believe the war of the worlds, the
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Speaker 1: end of the world is going to happen in July. Okay,
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Speaker 1: you don't have much time to repent and get straight
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Speaker 1: with the Lord. Nay, if that's all true, would neither
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Speaker 1: do I. But do you believe there's a possibility Valo
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Speaker 1: is keeping the children hidden away until after July? There
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Speaker 1: could be a possibility. And there's a few of her supporters,
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Speaker 1: her followers, some of Chad Davil's followers, that say all
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Speaker 1: of the truth will be revealed soon and that this
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Speaker 1: story will become deflated like a balloon. Those are their
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Speaker 1: words online in these public forms where they are saying
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Speaker 1: this whole thing is media height and once the you know,
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Speaker 1: the location of the children is revealed, it'll be oh, okay,
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Speaker 1: no big deal. We do know that Chad has said
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Speaker 1: the children are quote face. Does that mean face in
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Speaker 1: a bunker as you mentioned, Does that mean face in heaven?
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Speaker 1: Does that mean safe with a relative? As of now,
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Speaker 1: we don't know. And the authorities say that no one
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Speaker 1: is communicating with them, Chad or Laurie. They've shut out
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Speaker 1: the cops, so they're left with other investigative kids. I mean,
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Speaker 1: the reality is to you director the Cold Case recharch Institute,
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum. You know they've got taps on all the phones.
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Speaker 1: Jailhouse phone calls are recorded. What my point is that
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Speaker 1: neither Chad day Bell the so deep into this cult
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Speaker 1: he's written twenty five books on the end of the World,
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Speaker 1: or Laurie Valo cult mom have been calling to check
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Speaker 1: on the children at all. Nancy, not only does she
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Speaker 1: know the recordings of all there calls are being made.
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Speaker 1: When you get into jail, they give you a handbook
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Speaker 1: that's like one of the first things they tell you.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is not a big secret to anybody.
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Speaker 1: They're going to be recorded. What is baffling to all
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Speaker 1: of us is the length of time that has gone by.
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Speaker 1: And when I was listening to her mom and her
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Speaker 1: sister preparing to talk, they all to day. What baffled
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Speaker 1: me about their attitude is they're laughing and they're acting like, oh,
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Speaker 1: she's being this treated because they recording her. And you know,
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Speaker 1: she doesn't have a right to talk to us without
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Speaker 1: tipping her hand about where the children are. You're the
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Speaker 1: grandmama and the aunt and you don't have them. She
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Speaker 1: didn't entrust y'all with her own children. I'm just saying
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Speaker 1: to you. Reported with East Idaho News dot Com Nate
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Speaker 1: Eaton that if she was trying to check on her children,
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Speaker 1: there are no phone calls, no texts, no nothing, So
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Speaker 1: it's not happening on her end anyway. How did the
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Speaker 1: whole thing get started? Take a listen to this. Police say,
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Speaker 1: while they found Laurie and Chad in Kawaii over the weekend,
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Speaker 1: there's no evidence that her children were ever there. Hawaii
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Speaker 1: police served Laurie with a court order that says she
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Speaker 1: has five days to physically produce the kids. Chad where
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Speaker 1: a Laurie's kid. Nate Eaton with East Idaho News was
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Speaker 1: in Kawaie this weekend, right after police served Laurie Valo
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Speaker 1: and Chad day Bell with two search warrants, one for
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Speaker 1: this black Ford explored the couple was driving around the island,
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Speaker 1: and another for their Kawaie town home where the couple's
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Speaker 1: been living. They've been missing for four months. You have
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Speaker 1: nothing to say. You're over here in Hawaii. Please don't
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Speaker 1: know how long the couple's been in Hawaii. Laurie and
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Speaker 1: Chad staying mostly quiet before ducking into the Kawai Beach
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Speaker 1: resort over the weekend. There's people around the country praying
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Speaker 1: for your children, praying for you, guys. Why don't you
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Speaker 1: give us answers? That's great, that's great, that's great that
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Speaker 1: they're praying for you, praying for your kids. What you hear?
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Speaker 1: Our friend, Nate Eton, just running alongside Laurie Valo cult
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Speaker 1: mom and her brand new husband. They got married a
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Speaker 1: little over a week after his wife died in her sleep.
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Speaker 1: Curious that Laurie Valo cult mom had ordered a beach
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Speaker 1: wedding dress and a wedding ring before his wife mysteriously
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Speaker 1: passed away. Nate Eton in that moment, as you're running
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Speaker 1: along beside Laurie Valo, asking question, what did you perceive? Well,
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Speaker 1: she was very cold. She obviously answered the one question
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Speaker 1: I asked twenty nine times, twenty nine questions. The one
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Speaker 1: she answered, I said, people are praying for you and
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Speaker 1: your children. She said, that's great. And then the one
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Speaker 1: other time where she actually looked away from you know,
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Speaker 1: straight ahead, is when I mentioned that she had a
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Speaker 1: bag full of cash. We noticed right before she darted
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Speaker 1: into this resort. That she was carrying this plastic bag
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Speaker 1: of cash. I said, you have a bag full of
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Speaker 1: cash there. She then looked down at the cash and
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Speaker 1: tried to cover it with some paperwork she was holding
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Speaker 1: with the warrants she had just been served, So it
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Speaker 1: was almost as if she didn't want us to see
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Speaker 1: that she had all of that money. Later, one of
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Speaker 1: her friends told me that she thinks Lorie actually treated
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Speaker 1: that moment like she was on the red carpet, that
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Speaker 1: she loved being the center of attention, that look at me,
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Speaker 1: here I am. And then just a few days later,
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Speaker 1: she actually walked into the local church house with Chad
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Speaker 1: and said, we're here. We want to attend here. We
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Speaker 1: don't want to be a disruption. But by the way,
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Speaker 1: everything you've seen on the news, that's all hype, it's
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Speaker 1: all untrue, and all the truth will come out. So
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Speaker 1: it obviously didn't shake her that she had been all
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Speaker 1: over the national news. In fact, many people say she
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Speaker 1: kind of enjoyed it. Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Where
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Speaker 1: are Tyley and JJ? Cult mom Laurie Vale's children still
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Speaker 1: either dead or in hiding? Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: friends CBS This Morning News correspondent Jonathan Bigliotti, as many
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Speaker 1: in the town of Rexburg demanded to know where our
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Speaker 1: seven year old JJ and seventeen year old Tyle Valo,
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Speaker 1: who's charged with felony child abandonment, has revealed nothing about
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Speaker 1: the fate of her kids. Investigators confirmed Tyley was last
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Speaker 1: seen in Yellow National Park. There is no evidence of
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Speaker 1: Tylie Ryan leaving this park. The FBI is now calling
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Speaker 1: on everyone that visited here September eighth to look through
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Speaker 1: their photos for signs of the family. As Valo's husband,
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Speaker 1: chan Day Bell looked on, her defense attorney complained Valo
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Speaker 1: has been hounded by the masses. She cannot vote anywhere
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Speaker 1: without cameras and people scrutinizing her every single move, also
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Speaker 1: speaking out JJ's grandparents, Kay and Larry Woodcock, whose demand
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Speaker 1: for a welfare check launched the search. Right now, I
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Speaker 1: only have one question, where are the kids? Where are
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Speaker 1: the kids? Where are the kids? Bring them home? And
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Speaker 1: Bells said at one million dollars if release, Valo will
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Speaker 1: have to wear an ankle bracelet. At no point during
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Speaker 1: this hearing did Valo or her attorney mentioned where the
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Speaker 1: kids are. Straight out to Nate Eaton joining me from
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Speaker 1: East Idaho News dot com Nate Eton. So many things
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Speaker 1: have happened in the last day. One a bell reduction hearing.
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Speaker 1: Thank god the judge had the sense not to reduce
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Speaker 1: her bail again. It's already been slides from five million
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Speaker 1: to one million. In that hearing, we learned that mom
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Speaker 1: Laurie Vala claims she's being secretly recorded. Explain well, her
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Speaker 1: attorney argued, you know, the calls are All calls are recorded. However,
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Speaker 1: if you meet with your attorney, there's attorney client privilege
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Speaker 1: where those calls cannot be recorded. But the jail had
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Speaker 1: to make modifications because of COVID nineteen and so the
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Speaker 1: attorney argued that because of those modifications, he had to
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Speaker 1: use the normal phone system that most people use, and
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Speaker 1: that some of those calls were recorded. The prosecutor said, though,
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Speaker 1: every time you pick up that phone, there's a warning
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Speaker 1: that says this call will be recorded. And so he
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Speaker 1: argued that listen, if you were worried about that, you
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Speaker 1: should have been hung up the phone and told the
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Speaker 1: deputy you need to stop recording now. So there was
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Speaker 1: one or two times where they said, yes, the call
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Speaker 1: may have been recorded, they were not listened to, but
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Speaker 1: the judge said, that's still no reason to lower her bond.
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Speaker 1: There are other ways that you can communicate. The interesting
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Speaker 1: thing to me that came out of this hearing is
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Speaker 1: that her attorney said he asked for bond to go
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Speaker 1: to one hundred thousand, maybe two hundred thousand. He said,
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Speaker 1: Chad and Laurie are running out of money. Nobody is
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Speaker 1: buying Chad's book. Laurie obviously doesn't have a job. He said,
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Speaker 1: there's no way they would be able to afford bond
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Speaker 1: unless it was two hundred thousand dollars or lower than that.
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Speaker 1: So this million dollars, it's highly, highly unlikely that she
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Speaker 1: will ever be able to meet that. Nobody's buying his books?
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Speaker 1: Did anybody ever really buy his books about the end
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Speaker 1: of the world all Didn's day? Well, some court documents
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Speaker 1: show that over the course of two or three years,
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Speaker 1: I believe several years ago, he brought in maybe three
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Speaker 1: or four thousand dollars. So these were not best sellers.
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Speaker 1: One would think now that they're in the headlines that
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Speaker 1: maybe the book seld him gone up, but his attorney
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Speaker 1: says they have not. Gee. I wonder why, because it's
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Speaker 1: crazy just throwing it out there. So the way they
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Speaker 1: described it, Nate Eaton, was if Laurie Valo is somehow
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Speaker 1: being spied upon by the jailers. Look, it's no secret
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Speaker 1: that there are recording devices throughout jails. And yes, anybody
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Speaker 1: that takes a call from the jail is told in
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Speaker 1: recording this call is being recorded. That's no secret. So
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Speaker 1: that was the big deal, Nate. That that was her
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Speaker 1: attorney's defense. You know, he bond was already reduced, as
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Speaker 1: you mentioned, and then he said, new evidence has come
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Speaker 1: to light. We need to hold a hearing. Well, because
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Speaker 1: of COVID nineteen, they had to push these hearings back
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Speaker 1: two or three times. So he continually argued, my client
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Speaker 1: is being treated unfairly, and when I went to meet
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Speaker 1: with her, two of the conversations were recorded, and who
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Speaker 1: knows how many more, And everybody's listening to me. The
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Speaker 1: judge said, listen, every other person in jail is dealing
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Speaker 1: with this same exact situation, and you haven't really proven it.
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Speaker 1: You know. He spoke for two hours arguing this, but
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Speaker 1: not once during that entire hearing where JJ entilely brought up,
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Speaker 1: not even once where they mentioned you know, what. You're right,
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Speaker 1: we carried it live at crime Online. You're right. I
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Speaker 1: never heard them say one thing about Tyley and JJ.
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Speaker 1: Now we know Tylely hasn't been seen since that faithful
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Speaker 1: day at Yellowstone where she was there with JJ, her mom,
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Speaker 1: cult mom Laurie Valo, and her brother Alex Cox now dead.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. When the nanny messaged Laurie
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Speaker 1: again the day after JJ was last seen on September
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Speaker 1: twenty fourth, she responded to me that JJ was with
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Speaker 1: his grandparents for a month and that she was in Hawaii.
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Speaker 1: She said in about a month when they come back,
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Speaker 1: that I could work again. Well, once that month passed,
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Speaker 1: I TechEd her again around Halloween time asking if I
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Speaker 1: could work. There was no response. Oh Rexburg police have
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Speaker 1: said they confirmed Tiley never attended BYU Idaho, which was
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Speaker 1: what they say Laurie was claiming to other people. A
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Speaker 1: search weren't revealed that Laurie left behind JJ's medication in
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Speaker 1: that Rexburg town home with pills still in the bottle.
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Speaker 1: They said that medication has not been filled in Idaho.
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Speaker 1: That's not a good sign. Guys. You were just hearing
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Speaker 1: our friends at Fox thirteen needs Utah. Lauren Steinbrecker speaking
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Speaker 1: with me an All Star panel to you Justice Got Morgan,
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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics and death investigator. His meds were left behind
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Speaker 1: the little boy JJ and they haven't been revealed. So
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Speaker 1: wherever he is, if he's not dead, he's not getting
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Speaker 1: very important medication. No, he's not, Nancy, and that, you know,
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Speaker 1: that creates a special level of hell. Well, you know,
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Speaker 1: for this child, though he doesn't have his mom around
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Speaker 1: to comfort him in any way, then he doesn't have
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Speaker 1: prescribed medication that you know, some physician has given him
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Speaker 1: to treat, you know, the illness that he's suffering from,
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Speaker 1: and now he's in isolation. If that is the case,
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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, Nancy, I'm I'm I'm hearing all
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Speaker 1: of this relative to her. And I, like Cheryl, had
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Speaker 1: heard these these interviews with the mother and with the sister,
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Speaker 1: and one of the things that really stuck out to
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Speaker 1: me was that the mother said, oh, these kids are
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Speaker 1: her world. She'd never do anything. And I'm thinking, well,
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Speaker 1: if they're her world, how in the world has she
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Speaker 1: had time to be married five times? You know, Wow,
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Speaker 1: You're you're really a multitasker here. If you can do
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Speaker 1: all of this. How can you pay attention to all
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Speaker 1: of these moving parts and still be committed to your children?
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Speaker 1: Where are these kids at this moment time? It's a
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Speaker 1: very simple question. And we didn't get any answers at
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Speaker 1: that bond reduction hearing, which you know left me scratching
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Speaker 1: my head and another thing and I'll stop here now. Now,
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Speaker 1: Chad day Bell has you know, lawyered up with mister Means,
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Speaker 1: who is also Laurie's attorney. That hadn't happened before either,
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Speaker 1: and I find that very interesting as well, lawyered up
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Speaker 1: with the same attorney. Speaking of the new husband, husband
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Speaker 1: number five, Chad day Bell, we now know that cultmm
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Speaker 1: Laurie Valo asked her a doomsday author, husband, Chad day Bell,
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Speaker 1: to figure out whether her two children were light or
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Speaker 1: dark spirits just before they went missing. Okay, Nate Eaton
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Speaker 1: joined me from East Idaho News dot Com. Nate Eaton
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Speaker 1: asking whether your child is a dark spirit. That doesn't
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Speaker 1: bode well, no, it doesn't. And these court documents are
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Speaker 1: are pretty perplextive. I guess you could say head scratching
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Speaker 1: that Laurie and Chad believe that their children jj entirely
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Speaker 1: had gone from light to dark and had become possessed
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Speaker 1: of zombies. They also believed that because of that, you
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Speaker 1: were no longer able to control your body, and at
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Speaker 1: one point they mentioned to others that once you have
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Speaker 1: become dark, you need to die in order to fulfill
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Speaker 1: the will of God. That this is all God's purpose,
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Speaker 1: and they believe that as a family they will be
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Speaker 1: together even after this life. So you need to do
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Speaker 1: what God commands here and even though it might be
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Speaker 1: hard or challenging or not make sense in the grand
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Speaker 1: scheme of things, this is the plan of the Lord.
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Speaker 1: And this is all according to court documents that have
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Speaker 1: been filed, things that Chad and Laurie allegedly told to
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Speaker 1: their teen melody Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we're
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Speaker 1: talking about the disappearance and potential death of two little
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Speaker 1: children JJ entirely linked to cult mom Lorie Valoe joining
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Speaker 1: me and All Star panel to psychologists Karen start joining
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Speaker 1: me out of New York. Karen, how can you be
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Speaker 1: so brainwashed by a cult or another new man in
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Speaker 1: your life that you buy everything they say, hook line
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Speaker 1: and sinkers, my child a dark or a light spirit,
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Speaker 1: claiming your children are zombies, that they've been taken over
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Speaker 1: by evil spirits and the only way out for them
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Speaker 1: is to kill them. Well, Nancy, that is not unusual
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Speaker 1: when you're talking about brainwashing, because what happens is, and
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Speaker 1: it could happen to most people. You're in a situation
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Speaker 1: where it's being repeated to you over and over again,
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Speaker 1: usually deprived of any kind of other social contact, and yes,
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Speaker 1: that could definitely happen. But they're saying that this is
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Speaker 1: a woman who cares so much for her children, and
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Speaker 1: if in fact she were trying to protect them from
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Speaker 1: this so called catastrophe that was going to happen, why
22:16
Speaker 1: wouldn't she just say that that she's got them in
22:20
Speaker 1: a safe place and she's protecting them and tears where
22:23
Speaker 1: they are. You know, you're right to Ashley Wolcott. Would
22:28
Speaker 1: you're a judge and a trial lawyer, a court TV anchor?
22:31
Speaker 1: Would a judge be satisfied with that? If she said
22:35
Speaker 1: I've got them hidden away with I guess she would
22:39
Speaker 1: call it a religious group for safekeeping. Because I believe
22:44
Speaker 1: there's going to be the end of the world in July.
22:46
Speaker 1: What about that? I don't think a judge would accept
22:48
Speaker 1: that no, absolutely not. I see too many cases. Religion
22:51
Speaker 1: is a very good thing. However, I do see cases
22:53
Speaker 1: where it can result in going overboard to abuse or neglect.
22:58
Speaker 1: Without laying eyes on these children, he and I as
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Speaker 1: a judge, would not accept any answer, because there's no reason,
23:04
Speaker 1: There's no reason in the world if you are about
23:07
Speaker 1: your children, protecting your children, loving your children, caring for
23:10
Speaker 1: your children, that you wouldn't say, let me show them
23:14
Speaker 1: to you so you know they're safe, and then I'm
23:16
Speaker 1: going to continue to care for them in my work.
23:18
Speaker 1: Take a listen to Fox Starteens Adam Herbert's Chad day
23:22
Speaker 1: Bell and Laurie Valo are newly weds. Both of them
23:25
Speaker 1: had spouses who suspiciously died within the last few months.
23:29
Speaker 1: Tonight we spoke to a man who used to be
23:32
Speaker 1: part of the family and has some insight on what
23:34
Speaker 1: might be going on. To my right, I have Laurie
23:38
Speaker 1: say hello, Laurie, Hello people. This is a clip from
23:41
Speaker 1: Laurie Valo's religious podcast, recorded before she and her new husband,
23:46
Speaker 1: Chad day Bell, started running from police, accused of lying
23:50
Speaker 1: about the location of her two missing children. If you
23:53
Speaker 1: did something bad yesterday, the Lord wants you to say
23:56
Speaker 1: you're sorry today and just do better tomorrow. Say spent
23:59
Speaker 1: the last eleven years of my life spending time with
24:03
Speaker 1: Lorie and her now deceased husband, Charles. I don't know
24:07
Speaker 1: what happened to those kids. I know that there's people
24:09
Speaker 1: who do when they're not talking. Brandon Boudreau, who used
24:12
Speaker 1: to be married to Laurie Valo's niece, says he was
24:14
Speaker 1: part of the family. He baptized Laurie's daughter, Tylie Ryan,
24:18
Speaker 1: and loved JJ, her adopted son with autism. I don't
24:23
Speaker 1: know why they're doing what they're doing. It doesn't make
24:25
Speaker 1: any sense. Back to Nate Eaton, joining me reporter East
24:29
Speaker 1: Idaho News dot com. So much happening in the so
24:31
Speaker 1: called Occult Mom Laurie Valo case number one. She's in
24:34
Speaker 1: court demanding a bond reduction and claiming she's being spied
24:37
Speaker 1: on surreptitiously in the jail. The judge wouldn't hear any
24:41
Speaker 1: of that, did not reduce the bond. Well, you are
24:43
Speaker 1: now learning. Months before Tylie and JJ disappear, she caught
24:50
Speaker 1: Mom asked her new husband, are her children light or
24:53
Speaker 1: dark spirits? If you're dark? According to her you have
24:58
Speaker 1: been controlled by an evil spirit yours and you have
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Speaker 1: to die. According to what we're learning, day Bell first
25:04
Speaker 1: said that JJ was a light spirit, the seven year
25:09
Speaker 1: old little boy, but Tyley has a quote dark spirit,
25:15
Speaker 1: the seventeen year old girl, last spotted on a trip
25:19
Speaker 1: with coult mom and her now dead brother at Yellowstone.
25:23
Speaker 1: She's never been seen again. To Nate Eton, did that,
25:27
Speaker 1: let me just say, diagnosis change and they were both
25:30
Speaker 1: determined to be dark spirit zombies. Well, it would appear,
25:34
Speaker 1: and if you're trying to piece together a timeline, the
25:38
Speaker 1: investigators say Tyleie was last seen at Yellowstone the beginning
25:42
Speaker 1: of September. They know JJ was seen at least two
25:45
Speaker 1: or three weeks later when he went to school, and
25:48
Speaker 1: then Laurie walked in and withdrew him, saying she was
25:50
Speaker 1: going to homeschool. You know, it's interesting that the FBI
25:54
Speaker 1: actually put out a release. They have not commented at
25:56
Speaker 1: all on this case except for one particular thing. They
26:00
Speaker 1: asked anybody at Yellowstone National Park on some specific dates
26:05
Speaker 1: at the beginning of September to send them photos of
26:08
Speaker 1: potential sightings of JJ, of Tayley, of their parents, of
26:13
Speaker 1: the truck that they were in that day. That shows
26:16
Speaker 1: me that they are focused on the park, what happened
26:20
Speaker 1: at the park that weekend. They actually actually released some
26:23
Speaker 1: photos they took at the park of the family up
26:26
Speaker 1: there on that weekend, So that has definitely been a
26:31
Speaker 1: major focus. But we know that JJ was seen at
26:34
Speaker 1: least a few weeks later, so I don't know did
26:36
Speaker 1: he go from light to dark within two or three weeks.
26:39
Speaker 1: I'm sure the investigators are looking at that as well.
26:42
Speaker 1: The interesting thing is that the nephew of Laurie said
26:45
Speaker 1: when he first learned all of these religious beliefs, he said,
26:49
Speaker 1: it was like a Dungeons and Dragons manual. It was
26:52
Speaker 1: so bizarre. Two. Nate Eytan joining me from East Idahoanews
26:56
Speaker 1: dot com. What can you tell me about a new
27:00
Speaker 1: investigation into the death of Lorie Valows or third husband Ryan,
27:08
Speaker 1: Joseph Ryan. I believe, Yeah, Well, we know that Joseph
27:11
Speaker 1: Ryan died of what was said to be a heart attack.
27:16
Speaker 1: Who said that? Who said that? That was written on
27:19
Speaker 1: the autopsy reporter, So he was autopsy came out okay,
27:23
Speaker 1: and then he was immediately cremated. He was cremated. But
27:26
Speaker 1: the interesting thing is that his body was not found.
27:30
Speaker 1: He died and then but they didn't get to his
27:32
Speaker 1: body within like a week or two because he was
27:34
Speaker 1: living alone, nobody knew where he was. So there are
27:37
Speaker 1: some questions being raised as to what happens to the
27:40
Speaker 1: body if you're left alone for a week or two,
27:43
Speaker 1: you know, does it It could could whatever's in your
27:45
Speaker 1: system happened, you know. I'm not sure. I'm not a
27:47
Speaker 1: medical expert, but that is a focus now And there
27:50
Speaker 1: are some questions being raised as did Lorie have a
27:53
Speaker 1: part of that At the time they were separated, they
27:55
Speaker 1: were not together. It had been a nasty, nasty dispute,
27:59
Speaker 1: divorced dispute, and he did he have a life insurance policy?
28:03
Speaker 1: And where did that money go? That's a great question. Well,
28:06
Speaker 1: another issue regarding that is that Tyley is Tyley Ryan.
28:14
Speaker 1: That was Joseph Ryan's bio daughter Rick, So what's the
28:19
Speaker 1: connection there? And we've been told his death cod was
28:24
Speaker 1: an apparent heart attack. We've also been told that Tammy
28:30
Speaker 1: day Belt died of natural causes in her sleep. We
28:34
Speaker 1: still don't know why VAL's brother Alex Cox died. I mean,
28:39
Speaker 1: there are a lot of dead bodies connected to her.
28:44
Speaker 1: Day Belt. But now we learned that the FBI is
28:47
Speaker 1: reportedly investigating the death of Lorie Valo's third husband, Joseph Ryan.
28:54
Speaker 1: If it was an apparent heart attack, why would they
28:57
Speaker 1: be investigating it? That is your domain to Joseph Scott Morgan,
29:01
Speaker 1: death investigator. What about it? It seems like she's like
29:04
Speaker 1: the angel of death. It's like everywhere she goes, it
29:06
Speaker 1: seems like people pass away. Looking back on this, what
29:11
Speaker 1: are they going to have to examine at this moment
29:13
Speaker 1: in time Unless tissue samples were saved from the autopsy.
29:17
Speaker 1: Just like Nate had said, he had been down for
29:19
Speaker 1: a while when they found him, So that means that
29:22
Speaker 1: whatever tissues they did recover from him would have been compromised. Also,
29:28
Speaker 1: did they do toxicology at that time and would that
29:31
Speaker 1: have been compromised relative to decomposition, The fluids actually decomposed
29:36
Speaker 1: to a certain degree. So I'm wondering what they found
29:39
Speaker 1: in his system at that point in time. There's a
29:41
Speaker 1: standard panel. They'll look for things like heroin and you know,
29:44
Speaker 1: cannabinoids and all those things. But as standard policy, they
29:48
Speaker 1: don't look for exotic poisons. They don't look for heavy metals.
29:52
Speaker 1: Most of the time, so we're still going to be
29:54
Speaker 1: left scratching our head over his death. Let me tell
29:56
Speaker 1: you what has been reported in the wake of JJ
30:00
Speaker 1: Entailey's disappearance. Family members are concerned over the fact that
30:05
Speaker 1: not one, but two of Laurie Valo's husbands have died
30:09
Speaker 1: in the last two years. That's quite the coincident. One
30:12
Speaker 1: relative says that Joseph's death age fifty nine, after he died,
30:18
Speaker 1: Laurie called him quote evil and that quote God took
30:22
Speaker 1: care of him, and says that Laurie Valo did collect
30:25
Speaker 1: money from his life insurance policy. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
30:42
Speaker 1: we're talking about the recent developments in the case of
30:45
Speaker 1: so called cult mom. Laurie Valo just in court demanding
30:50
Speaker 1: a bond reduction. Straight back out to Nate Eaton with
30:54
Speaker 1: the East Idahoo News dot Com. Nate, at this point,
30:59
Speaker 1: why would she lie about Tyley being registered in college
31:05
Speaker 1: when that's not true and attending classes? I mean, why
31:09
Speaker 1: lie about it if it's not a nefarious outcome? That's
31:14
Speaker 1: that's a great question. There has been some indication that
31:18
Speaker 1: Laurie continued to receive money to Tyley's account along with
31:23
Speaker 1: JJ's account, and she was getting money herself as a
31:26
Speaker 1: quote unquote single mother. So would that have stopped the
31:30
Speaker 1: money coming in if she reported them missing? If she,
31:33
Speaker 1: you know, if Heaven forbid Tyley was dead, obviously the
31:36
Speaker 1: money would stop there. So she was continuing to collect
31:40
Speaker 1: these finances. And one would think if if she really
31:44
Speaker 1: was gonna, you know, hide them away in a bunker
31:46
Speaker 1: or do something, why wait in jail for two three
31:50
Speaker 1: four months? Why not say go to the judge. You
31:53
Speaker 1: know they in the beginning they said, just show us
31:55
Speaker 1: a picture, have them hold up a face time with us,
31:58
Speaker 1: have them hold up a newspaper with a day's date.
32:00
Speaker 1: That's all we want to show us they're alive and
32:03
Speaker 1: this can all be resolved. And to this date she
32:05
Speaker 1: has not done that. Two Ash Willcott judge by a lawyer,
32:09
Speaker 1: court TV anchor. When I look at her behavior, I
32:14
Speaker 1: mean it's hard for me to imagine a mom hurting
32:16
Speaker 1: her children. On the other hand, when you don't know
32:21
Speaker 1: a horse, look at the track cracker, everybody around her
32:23
Speaker 1: drops like flies. Couldn't a judge take her in camera
32:28
Speaker 1: with just her lawyer and have her pretties proof that
32:34
Speaker 1: children aren't alive? If the state agreed to that absolutely,
32:37
Speaker 1: so you can't do any expertee. Obviously, you know that
32:40
Speaker 1: if the state agreed, then yes, that could be an
32:42
Speaker 1: option for proof of life. Let's call it that, because
32:45
Speaker 1: we need to know that children are safe. It's not doctored,
32:48
Speaker 1: but I think the state would want to know that
32:50
Speaker 1: as well, because remember their googal as you well know,
32:53
Speaker 1: having been a prosecutor, is to prosecute the criminals. And
32:56
Speaker 1: so maybe the children are safe, but it doesn't mean
32:59
Speaker 1: she hasn't violated a court order. It doesn't mean that
33:03
Speaker 1: she hasn't done anything inappropriate or amounting to a criminal act.
33:07
Speaker 1: But at this point, as a judge, I would want
33:10
Speaker 1: any kind of truth verification these children are safe. That's
33:14
Speaker 1: my ultimate concern. Yeah, the state wants to know a
33:17
Speaker 1: lot of things, but the state doesn't get to know.
33:19
Speaker 1: The crux of this case is where are the children?
33:21
Speaker 1: Are they dead or alive? Are they safe? And I
33:24
Speaker 1: believe is she could go in camera and I'm very
33:26
Speaker 1: surprised her lawyer didn't suggest this or did he and
33:29
Speaker 1: she rejected it. Have an in camera, which means in
33:33
Speaker 1: chambers in secret, revealed to the judge that the children
33:36
Speaker 1: are safe and be done with it and let her
33:40
Speaker 1: out of jail. That doesn't mean the current charges don't
33:43
Speaker 1: still stand, but she could at least wait outside of jail.
33:47
Speaker 1: Nate Eaton joined me from East Idaho News dot Com.
33:51
Speaker 1: What else is the latest? Tell me what else is
33:54
Speaker 1: happening in the case. I understand that the autopsy on
33:57
Speaker 1: the value brother Alex Cox is due any day that
34:00
Speaker 1: it's being completed. Yeah, I'm imagining it will probably be
34:04
Speaker 1: next week at the earliest. We're also waiting on that
34:07
Speaker 1: Tammy day Bell autopsy. But we also know that the
34:10
Speaker 1: state Attorney General here in Idaho has taken over the
34:14
Speaker 1: investigation into Tammy's death regarding Chat and Laurie, and that
34:18
Speaker 1: investigation focuses on conspiracy, attempted murder, and murder, and from
34:24
Speaker 1: what I'm hearing, they may be able to go forward
34:27
Speaker 1: with that case without the autopsy, meaning there's got to
34:30
Speaker 1: be a significant amount of evidence for them to pursue
34:34
Speaker 1: that if they say we're just going to go without
34:36
Speaker 1: the autopsy and hopefully that will come back and confirm
34:39
Speaker 1: what we have, So again, night because as very significant. So, yeah,
34:46
Speaker 1: what we do know is the AG is investigating Chat
34:49
Speaker 1: and Laurie for conspiracy, attempted murder and murder, and that
34:54
Speaker 1: that case could go forward with or without Tammy Day
34:58
Speaker 1: Bell's autopsy. Meaning if they're going to go after them
35:01
Speaker 1: for their for those crimes, they've got to have enough
35:04
Speaker 1: evidence that says, forget the autopsy, we're going to do
35:08
Speaker 1: this or and ornate thank it through to its logical conclusion,
35:13
Speaker 1: or they know what the autopsy reveals, and the autopsy
35:17
Speaker 1: reveals nothing. If that's true, they could go there's on
35:23
Speaker 1: your premise they could go forward with conspiracy to commit murder,
35:27
Speaker 1: attempted murder, and murder even though the autopsy really reveals nothing,
35:32
Speaker 1: which means the cod cause of death was somehow obscured.
35:37
Speaker 1: That of course, yep, that that is a possibility, and
35:41
Speaker 1: they are. The evidence in this case, from what I've
35:44
Speaker 1: been told, is strong, very strong. A lot of evidence
35:47
Speaker 1: in the cloud, a lot of text messages which we've
35:50
Speaker 1: seen have come out, emails which we've seen have gradually
35:53
Speaker 1: been leaked. Lori the computers. Do you mean the Amazon
35:57
Speaker 1: order that the Amazon order yet when they ordered the
35:59
Speaker 1: ring on October second, seventeen days before Tammy day Bell died,
36:04
Speaker 1: Lorie orders a ring that then appears in her wedding
36:07
Speaker 1: photos with Chad. We have that surveillance footage where her
36:10
Speaker 1: and Chad were at the storage facility October second, and
36:14
Speaker 1: he grabs her butt. And he's still married to Tammy.
36:18
Speaker 1: So all of these things, all of these technological why
36:22
Speaker 1: did you put that in my head? Sorry? Now I
36:24
Speaker 1: gotta think about it. Sorry, I'll send you the Dame's
36:26
Speaker 1: Day author Chad Daybil grabbing cult mom's rear end in
36:32
Speaker 1: ps in this house, we don't say. But okay, but
36:36
Speaker 1: that said, I didn't catch that. I just saw them
36:40
Speaker 1: going in and out of the store, the stories facility.
36:44
Speaker 1: I was focused on the fact that there were children's toys, clothing,
36:48
Speaker 1: winter clothing. I might add that they would need wherever
36:51
Speaker 1: they are. But you picked up on him grabbing her
36:55
Speaker 1: rear end. We got enhanced footage that shows very clearly,
37:00
Speaker 1: uh that, I'll send it to you. I'll send you.
37:02
Speaker 1: I'll send you. That makes me feel nasty. It was
37:05
Speaker 1: telling because he was still married to Tammy Day Bell
37:07
Speaker 1: and she was still healthy and alive. And you know
37:11
Speaker 1: what was her what was her date of death, Tammy Daymell.
37:15
Speaker 1: Tammy Daybell died October nineteenth, and she would have turned fifty.
37:19
Speaker 1: So it wasn't all holding hands and singing hymns. Is
37:24
Speaker 1: that what you're telling me? I would it looked like
37:26
Speaker 1: it was more than that, you know what? To you?
37:29
Speaker 1: Director of the Cold Case Research Institute, Cheryl McCollum, Never
37:34
Speaker 1: a dull day in crime Ville. Can we agree on that? Absolutely?
37:38
Speaker 1: No question, jump in. I gotta hear what you got.
37:40
Speaker 1: What you have to say, Well, Nancy, there's just so much.
37:43
Speaker 1: But you know, think about the last six months with
37:45
Speaker 1: these children, when they've been different, and you think there's
37:48
Speaker 1: been no visits to a doctor, there's been no travel
37:51
Speaker 1: on an airplane. They tally isn't driving a car, nobody's registering,
37:56
Speaker 1: anybody's from school. I don't know what's been done with
37:59
Speaker 1: tax returns, but you think, basically, these children have stopped existing.
38:04
Speaker 1: So if in fact they're okay, you've got a woman
38:06
Speaker 1: that's being charged with deserting them and abandoning them. And
38:11
Speaker 1: both of those charges carried fourteen years. So if you're
38:14
Speaker 1: looking at twenty eight years, and all you've got to
38:17
Speaker 1: do is say, look, there will be someone that is
38:20
Speaker 1: religiously affiliated with me. They are safe, they are fine.
38:24
Speaker 1: Here's the person. I've given that information to my attorney,
38:27
Speaker 1: one police officer, and my attorney can go check on them,
38:30
Speaker 1: come back say yep, they're fine. I mean, Tyley's going
38:33
Speaker 1: to be an adult too. And but you're telling me
38:36
Speaker 1: that there's been no insurance with JJ, nobody's taking care
38:40
Speaker 1: of his medical needs, nobody's taking care of their schooling.
38:43
Speaker 1: All of this is a problem. And you've got a
38:45
Speaker 1: mom that's a boom's there and she has, out of
38:48
Speaker 1: her own mouth, said Tyley's dead. You know what, that's
38:51
Speaker 1: a good point. Would you discuss that place? One person said, hey,
38:54
Speaker 1: where is she? And she calls them, oh, she died
38:57
Speaker 1: a while back. So any mother would let that statement
39:01
Speaker 1: come out of their mouth. There may be a little
39:04
Speaker 1: truth in it. The other issues that I've got is
39:06
Speaker 1: Uncle Alex. So Uncle Alex kills one of the husbands
39:10
Speaker 1: when he shows up to pick up JJ. Well that's
39:14
Speaker 1: pretty traumatic, but that's the uncle. The uncle then threatens
39:17
Speaker 1: another husband with a taser. Alex was also in Wyoming
39:22
Speaker 1: at Yellowstone with him. So you've got Arizona, you got Wyoman,
39:26
Speaker 1: you got Idaho, you got all these things where Alex
39:29
Speaker 1: keeps coming up And now digitally, forensically, there's a footprint
39:32
Speaker 1: with him being connected to Tammy. And now suddenly Alex
39:36
Speaker 1: is dead too, So all of these people that might
39:39
Speaker 1: be able to testify against her, they gone, You know,
39:42
Speaker 1: to reporter Nate Eaton, who's been on the case from
39:45
Speaker 1: the beginning. East Idaho News dot Com, Nate sum it
39:49
Speaker 1: up for me. Where do we stand right now? Well,
39:51
Speaker 1: in July there will be the preliminary hearing for Laurie.
39:54
Speaker 1: That's when the prosecution will need to go in and
39:57
Speaker 1: say this is all of the evidence I've got, is
40:00
Speaker 1: why we need to go to a jury. There will
40:02
Speaker 1: be witnesses called. He has submitted a list of forty
40:05
Speaker 1: eight potential witnesses and on that list is Chad day Bell.
40:09
Speaker 1: Won't that be interesting if they called Chad to the
40:12
Speaker 1: stand and say what do you know about these missing children?
40:16
Speaker 1: That'll be the next big step for Laurie unless they
40:19
Speaker 1: ask for another bond reduction hearing, which I don't think
40:22
Speaker 1: will happen again it's already been denied. Meanwhile, we're waiting
40:25
Speaker 1: on the autopsy for Alex, We're waiting on the autopsy
40:28
Speaker 1: for Tammy, and the state Attorney General will continue their
40:32
Speaker 1: investigation into the potential murder charges that could come in
40:36
Speaker 1: relation to Tammy. So the preliminary hearing moving forward in
40:39
Speaker 1: July where in the state plans to call forty eight
40:41
Speaker 1: witnesses regards the current five charges against called Molauri Vali
40:47
Speaker 1: yes or no, Nate eighten Yes, that's it. Yeah, the
40:49
Speaker 1: desertion charges. The desertion the two felony desertion charges, the
40:54
Speaker 1: one obstruction line to police, the one obstruction not producing
40:59
Speaker 1: the chi in court, and the one obstruction of trying
41:02
Speaker 1: to convince another party to lie about the children's whereabouts.
41:06
Speaker 1: Those are the three charges pending now. They're not murdered charges,
41:10
Speaker 1: but the state is pressing forward. We wait as justice unfolds.
41:14
Speaker 1: Tipline two zero eight three five nine three thousand, repeat
41:18
Speaker 1: two zero eight three five nine three thousand. If you're
41:21
Speaker 1: hiding those children, you are an accessory to a felony.
41:27
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace crime story signing off, goodbye friend,