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Sharri | 10 June · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Show this good evening. Hopey'vo had a lovely long weekend,
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Speaker 1: but we've got a lot to cover.
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Speaker 2: Tonight.
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Speaker 1: Daniel Andrews he should be facing a royal commission into
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Speaker 1: his handling of the pandemic, but instead Anthony Albanesi has
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Speaker 1: protected him from scrutiny, and instead Andrews is being awarded
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Speaker 1: King's birthday honors. The public anger today over this is palpable.
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Speaker 1: Also tonight, Peter d'artanez catching up to Albanesi in the polls,
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Speaker 1: but can he win the next election? He says, the
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Speaker 1: trend the momentum is in his favor. Political analysts would
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Speaker 1: join Meat to discuss plus Peter Costello gone and now
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Speaker 1: Mike Sneezeby feels the heat as the Channel nine crisis continues.
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Speaker 1: But first tonight to the joy of the surprise hostage rescue,
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Speaker 1: Penny Wong's silence over the matter, and the Al Jazeera
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Speaker 1: journalist who was holding Jews care active all while reporting
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Speaker 1: on human rights abuses. On Saturday evening, we received the
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Speaker 1: news that we thought it would be impossible not to
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Speaker 1: celebrate the rescue of Noah Agamani. Just twenty five almog
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Speaker 1: Meyir twenty one years old, Andrew Koslov twenty seven, and
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Speaker 1: Schlummy Ziv forty. Yet there has not been a word
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Speaker 1: of joy or any welcoming the news from Penny Wong.
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Speaker 1: For eight long months, there'd been no news of these hostages,
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Speaker 1: and there were grave fears for their lives.
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Speaker 2: Who could ever.
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Speaker 1: Forget Noah Agamani's face and she was ripped away from
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Speaker 1: her life as she knew it and forced onto the
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Speaker 1: back of a motorbike while her boyfriend was held at gunpoint.
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Speaker 1: The twenty five year old screamed and don't kill me
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Speaker 1: as she was kidnapped. The scenes of Noah's devastated father
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Speaker 1: crying went right around the royal right around the world,
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Speaker 1: as he begged as he cried how he was devastated.
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Speaker 1: He spoke about how he kept his daughter safe.
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Speaker 2: All of her life and now she was gone. Well,
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Speaker 2: thanks to.
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Speaker 1: The bravery of Israeli forces, Noah, almug Andre, and Shalom
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Speaker 1: were reunited with their families, and here are some of
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Speaker 1: those emotional moments there. The trauma to these families has
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Speaker 1: been indescribable. But where were three of these hostages hidden
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Speaker 1: in the home of a Palestinian journalist who'd written for
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Speaker 1: Al Jazeera and The Palestine Chronicle. Here was Abdullah al
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Speaker 1: Jamal's profile on Al Jazeera. In his articles, he regularly
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Speaker 1: wrote about so called Israeli human rights abuses and war crimes,
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Speaker 1: claims of starvation and genocide.
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Speaker 2: You wonder how the media get it so wrong.
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Speaker 1: Well, perhaps it's because they're relying on first hand accounts
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Speaker 1: from hermask terrorists masquerading as journalists all the while holding
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Speaker 1: Israeli's hostage. Al Jamal's home was in the Nuzarat refugee camp.
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Speaker 1: That's where Harmas and Palestinian civilians were hiding these innocent
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Speaker 1: hostages inside a refugee camp. And the refugee camp has
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Speaker 1: been run by ANRA, the Unitedation's Relief and Works agency.
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Speaker 1: So what responsibility does the AID agency have here?
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Speaker 2: And why is Australia.
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Speaker 1: Still sending millions of dollars to UNRA And why didn't
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Speaker 1: the Red Cross, UNRA or any other agency visit Noah
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Speaker 1: and the other hostages despite them being held captive inside
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Speaker 1: a refugee camp. We've even seen in the past two
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Speaker 1: days morally corrupt United Nations officials like the biased Francesca
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Speaker 1: Albanizi claim that the hostages were released released well, that's
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Speaker 1: utter rubbish. Instead, it took a high risk operation by
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Speaker 1: heroic Israeli's special forces to free them. They were under
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Speaker 1: constant gunfire as they went into civilian buildings to save
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Speaker 1: the hostages, and under fire as they left. It was
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Speaker 1: something like out of the Netflix television show. Media reports
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Speaker 1: say that elite special forces blended easily with locals in Gaza,
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Speaker 1: posing as displaced Gazans or Hamas fighters, entering the refugee
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Speaker 1: camp in disguise and speaking the language fluently. One report
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Speaker 1: we can't verify it, but one report claimed they were
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Speaker 1: driving a white car loaded with mattresses and the women
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Speaker 1: were dressed in clothes similar to Palestinians. The Times of
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Speaker 1: Israel quoted as Saudi owned news channel and said that
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Speaker 1: according to the report, the special forces introduced themselves to
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Speaker 1: local residents as Palestinians escaping the Israeli Defense Forces operation
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Speaker 1: in Rafa, and said they'd rented a place in the
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Speaker 1: area around the market in Nuzarat, while pointing at the
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Speaker 1: building where hostage Noah Agamani was being held. The disguised
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Speaker 1: forces reportedly got out of their car and split into
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Speaker 1: two groups, each heading toward one of the two buildings
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Speaker 1: in preparation for the operation. Ultimately, one father, a hero,
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Speaker 1: arn On Zamora, lost his life and the operation to
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Speaker 1: rescue the hostages has now been renamed Operation Arnan in
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Speaker 1: his honor.
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Speaker 2: He leaves behind a wife and two children. At the
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Speaker 2: news of.
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Speaker 1: The hostage rescue on Saturday evening, there were celebrations across
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Speaker 1: Israel and even in Australia. I thought it was strange
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Speaker 1: that there was no statement or tweet from Australia's Foreign
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Speaker 1: Minister Penny Wong celebrating the release of the hostages. It's
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Speaker 1: a point the Daily Telegraph made on the weekend. How
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Speaker 1: could she not even welcome the news were two days on,
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Speaker 1: Pennywong still hasn't welcomed the news that four hostages, including
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Speaker 1: a twenty.
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Speaker 2: Five year old woman, were rescued.
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Speaker 1: Instead, we've only heard from her media advisor, her spokesperson
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Speaker 1: saying and I quote, we want to see all hostages released,
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Speaker 1: civilians protected, and parties agree to the ceasefire proposal presented
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Speaker 1: by President Biden. And then today Pennywog released a statement
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Speaker 1: saying she was sending Anne Ali, the first Muslim woman
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Speaker 1: elected to federal Parliament to attend a conference on the
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Speaker 1: crisis in Gaza. Again in this press release today, no
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Speaker 1: mention of the ongoing terrorism against Israel, and Pennywong said
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Speaker 1: this war must end. The human suffering in Gaza is unacceptable.
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Speaker 1: Australia has been part of the international push for a ceasefire,
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Speaker 1: for humanitarian aid to reach Gazans in desperate need, and
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Speaker 1: for hostages to be released.
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Speaker 2: And in the same.
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Speaker 1: Press release ann Ali a Labor and p said the
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Speaker 1: humanitarian situation in Gaza is catastrophic. Over one million Palestinians
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Speaker 1: are facing catastrophic levels of food and security, and around
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Speaker 1: one point seven million people have been displaced many several
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Speaker 1: times over. Humanitarian access remains grossly inadequate. No mention there
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Speaker 1: of the need to destroy Humas, the need to stop
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Speaker 1: the terrorism against the Jews, or demand the immediate release.
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Speaker 2: Of the hostages.
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Speaker 1: I mean, when you look at it, it's actually quite
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Speaker 1: shocking how we've ended up living under such an extreme
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Speaker 1: anti Israel government. I mean, how did we end up
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Speaker 1: with a foreign minister who can't express any joy at
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Speaker 1: the extraordinary rescue under constant god fire of four hostages,
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Speaker 1: including a woman whose image went viral for the way
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Speaker 1: that she was brutally captured on October seven. Well, it's
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Speaker 1: worth reminding Pennywong that her Mus and the Palestinian civilians
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Speaker 1: holding these hostages could have released them at any point
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Speaker 1: over the past eight months, but they chose not to.
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Speaker 1: If Harmas freed all of the remaining one hundred and
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Speaker 1: twenty hostages right now and surrendered, the war would be over.
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Speaker 1: There would be no crisis in Gaza or in Israel.
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Speaker 1: It's curious there's so little pressure by the Albanese government
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Speaker 1: on Hermus to release the hostages and end the war. Instead,
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Speaker 1: the pressure is overwhelmingly on Israel for daring to bring their.
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Speaker 2: Innocent people home.
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Speaker 1: The world's youngest hostage, Baby Kafir, was taken when he
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Speaker 1: was nine months old, along with his four year old
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Speaker 1: brother Ariel. They vanished into the depths of Gaza. Yet
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Speaker 1: given what we've just seen with the case of Noah
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Speaker 1: Agamani and the others, there will be Palestinian families and
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Speaker 1: possibly aid workers and possibly journalists who know where they
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Speaker 1: and the other hostages are. We cannot rest, we cannot
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Speaker 1: give up until baby Kafir and his beautiful family are
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Speaker 1: brought home. To give up on all of these innocent
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Speaker 1: families would be like leaving one hundred and twenty people
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Speaker 1: in a concentration camp. No one would dare suggest such
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Speaker 1: a thing, and no one should dare suggest that we
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Speaker 1: leave behind hostages now. Now, Pennywog, who has visited Yad Vashem,
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Speaker 1: the Holocaust Museum in Israel, should think twice before the
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Speaker 1: demanding of Israel an immediate ceasefire until all our hostages
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Speaker 1: are home safe. All right, let's bring in tonight's panel,
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Speaker 1: sky News contributor Joe Hildebrad and Sky News host Listora.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to you both, Liz, what do you think about this?
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's so hard to imagine. And I actually
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Speaker 1: put questions to Pennywonk's media advisor today saying is she happy?
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Speaker 1: Is she joyful at the release of these hostages?
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Speaker 2: And nothing? She can't even say she is.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 4: She's been very consistent for a long time now, and
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Speaker 4: the urban Eezi government has been very clearly throwing their
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Speaker 4: lot in with the UN, whether that's backing the calls
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Speaker 4: for ceasefire months ago or most recently recognizing Palestinian Palestine.
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Speaker 4: I should say not that it's a real place as
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Speaker 4: a sovereign state. And what I found really interesting about
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Speaker 4: this when we found three of those hostige is in
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Speaker 4: one of the UN camps.
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Speaker 2: It reminded me of all the stories we've.
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Speaker 4: Heard of how complicit the UN has been on Palestine
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Speaker 4: side of things Throughout the IDF said that they found
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Speaker 4: one of the terrorist tunnels underneath the UN headquarters in Gaza.
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Speaker 2: We know that twelve of unra's.
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Speaker 4: Employees were actively involved in the atrocities of October seven.
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Speaker 4: IDF claims that there's actually more of them working there.
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Speaker 2: They say up to fifty.
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Speaker 4: Percent of NRA's employees have close ties to either of
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Speaker 4: the terrorist groups operating in the region. And now we're
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Speaker 4: sending ann Ali, who remember condemned Israel along.
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Speaker 2: With ed Husak. Why are you laughing, Joe, it's.
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Speaker 5: Not I think it's funny that.
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Speaker 6: Of the government to go there. You should at least
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Speaker 6: pretend you're not biased anyway.
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Speaker 4: Well, they in October, so this was right after the massacres.
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Speaker 4: She and ed Husick condemned Israel and said that it
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Speaker 4: had to be looked into for war crimes.
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Speaker 2: I mean, these are our representatives. This is what Australia
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Speaker 2: is dealing with.
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Speaker 4: Now we have a government who is one hundred and
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Speaker 4: ten percent on board with the UN agenda, which we
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Speaker 4: have known for as long as it has existed, basically
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Speaker 4: has hated Israel.
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Speaker 1: Since twenty fifteen, they have condemned Israel one hundred and
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Speaker 1: forty times, every other member state combined sixty eight times.
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Speaker 1: And Joe, what I think also was so shocking about
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Speaker 1: this is the fact that three hostages were kept in
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Speaker 1: a journalist's home.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I find that sickening. I must have been.
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Speaker 6: I was talking to a friends of mine and the
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Speaker 6: media and politics on Saturday before this story broke, saying
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Speaker 6: there's no way the hostages are alive.
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Speaker 5: Surely they're all dead.
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Speaker 6: And you know this is why you know Hamas doesn't
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Speaker 6: have any bargaining chips left.
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Speaker 5: To know that Hamas.
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Speaker 6: Actually had free hostages, had living hostage is I should
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Speaker 6: say that it could have freed if it wanted to
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Speaker 6: parlay with Israel and bargain to get aid through. I
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Speaker 6: think speaks to just what an appalling I mean. This
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Speaker 6: sounds like an understatement of centric and appalling bad faith
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Speaker 6: actor harmss IS. It's a terrorist organization of course, the
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Speaker 6: bad faith actor.
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Speaker 5: So I think that bells the cat.
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Speaker 6: I think there is an argument for Israel not to
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Speaker 6: be like to actually to rise above and to put
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Speaker 6: more moral pressure on her mass by saying, all right, we'll,
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Speaker 6: you know, have a temporary cease fire to let AID
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Speaker 6: in and now there you go, We've done that. Where
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Speaker 6: are the hostage.
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Speaker 2: Letting it AID in constantly?
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Speaker 1: I mean the last thing is I looked out a
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Speaker 1: fortnite ago with something like twenty thousand AID trucks.
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Speaker 6: No, I no, I know, I know, but there are
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Speaker 6: millions and millions of people, and so even even though
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Speaker 6: twenty thousand eight.
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Speaker 2: Trucks the mass millions of millions, I'm.
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Speaker 5: Not no, no, I'm not. I'm not just like that.
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Speaker 7: I'm not saying that I'm better for It's better for
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Speaker 7: Israel's reputation, it's better for Israel standing if they don't say, well,
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Speaker 7: you know, har Maassa is just as bad or worse
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Speaker 7: than us.
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Speaker 5: I think Israel should.
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Speaker 1: I don't think Israel saying that Israel is Israel's letting
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Speaker 1: in so much AID. And part of the frustration by
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Speaker 1: Benny Gantz is that Benjamin Netta, who has been procrastinating
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Speaker 1: so hasn't been moving into Rappa fast enough. And so
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Speaker 1: there is that debate going on. We'll get to that
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Speaker 1: later in the show with Dave Sharma. Let's turn now, though,
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Speaker 1: to the crisis engulfing nine Entertainment. As you'll know last night,
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Speaker 1: chairman Peter Costello resigned effective immediately, just three days after
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Speaker 1: that ugly physical altercation with journalist Liam Mendes at Canberra Airport.
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Speaker 1: Just a reminder, here's how that unfolded.
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Speaker 8: Why don't you support mister sneezebe publicly? Goodness, Well, you've
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Speaker 8: got to answer the question, mister thank you. You've just
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Speaker 8: assaulted You've just assaulted me.
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Speaker 1: Now, just this afternoon, the Sydney Morning Herald published its
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Speaker 1: own editorial by its editor, Bevin Shields, and they said
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Speaker 1: that Costello did have to go. The editorial references the
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Speaker 1: moment when Costello was asked whether he should end his
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Speaker 1: reigner's chair because of this incident, and he said, rubbish
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Speaker 1: were Bevin Shield's rights and I quote what was rubbish
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Speaker 1: was Costello's belief that he could hold onto his job.
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Speaker 1: It was simply untenable for the chair of a media
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Speaker 1: company that employs hundreds of journalists to seemingly shove a
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Speaker 1: reported to the ground, laugh, walk off and carry on
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Speaker 1: in the boardroom as if nothing happened. Now Costello has
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Speaker 1: been replaced by one of nine's board directors, Catherine West,
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Speaker 1: now of Catherine West Bevin Shield's Rights.
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Speaker 2: She and other board members will remain under.
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Speaker 1: Pressure to explain whether they did enough to deal with
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Speaker 1: Wick and the company's broader treatment of women. In addition
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Speaker 1: to quelling the justified concerns of shareholders, she will also
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Speaker 1: have to regain the trust of staff, particularly women. And meanwhile,
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Speaker 1: we saw that the editor in chief of The Australian,
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Speaker 1: Michelle Gunn, wrote to Peter Costello and to Nine saying
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Speaker 1: that they will need to pay for leam Mendi's camera equipment, which,
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Speaker 1: as I told you on Thursday night, was broken when
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Speaker 1: he was thrown to the ground.
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Speaker 2: Now Li's.
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Speaker 1: Initially Costello tried to claim that he hadn't touched leam Mendes,
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Speaker 1: even though you can see in the footage that he
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Speaker 1: does shoulder barge him.
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Speaker 2: But Costello clearly.
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Speaker 1: Didn't think he should have to go that first statement
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Speaker 1: he gave on Thursday night, when he fronted the media
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Speaker 1: in defiance, he said no, Liam fell over backwards into
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Speaker 1: an advertising placard.
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Speaker 2: He shouldn't have to go.
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Speaker 1: Clearly over the weekend there has been pressure on him
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Speaker 1: from the board and then finally that resignation last night.
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Speaker 2: Yeah after he said it was rubbish that he should
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Speaker 2: go home.
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Speaker 4: But obviously the axe fell and he wasn't left with
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Speaker 4: any choice because a man like Costello does not leave
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Speaker 4: if there's any other option. But the extent of his
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Speaker 4: own delusion that he could just pass this off as
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Speaker 4: being oh, the reporter tripped and fell, mate, there's footage.
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Speaker 4: In fact, we still haven't seen any CCTV footage.
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Speaker 2: But who makes up a.
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Speaker 4: Story like that when they know full well enough footage.
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Speaker 1: There's enough footage you can see he comes at him
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Speaker 1: with the shoulder.
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Speaker 4: Indeed, but there were witnesses which Liam then went and
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Speaker 4: talked to. What kind of person bothers making up another
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Speaker 4: story and tries shoving it under the carpet when you
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Speaker 4: so clearly did what you're being accused of having done. So,
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Speaker 4: as Sydney Morning Herald has written, he had to go.
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Speaker 4: Indeed he did. Now he's gone, but nine still has
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Speaker 4: a lot of other problems to be cleaning up right now.
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Speaker 1: And Joe, as you can see from that editorial in
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Speaker 1: the nine newspapers, there is still concern about the remaining
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Speaker 1: board directors what they knew about Darren Wick's behavior, you know,
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Speaker 1: whether they ignored it, and not just the board.
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Speaker 2: Members, but Mike sneeze Bee. So I think there is still.
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Speaker 1: A loss of confidence from inside nine in the chief executive.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's true. I think. I mean it's interesting.
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Speaker 6: Someone asked me if I was surprised that Peter Costello
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Speaker 6: resigned suddenly on Sunday night, so surprised it took him
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Speaker 6: that long. I was surprised that he actually saw the
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Speaker 6: end of Friday Night out as chairman of nine. And
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Speaker 6: I think you asked the question, what sort of person
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Speaker 6: sort of behaves like that and then thinks that they
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Speaker 6: can just, through almost sheer force of will, explain it.
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Speaker 5: Away as though nothing had happened.
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Speaker 6: And the answer is the sort of person who is
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Speaker 6: used to controlling the entire world around them, controlling the
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Speaker 6: entire environment around them. And one of the very telling
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Speaker 6: things that Peter Costello's time was rapidly coming to an
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Speaker 6: end was things like that in the Sydney Worl Herald. Now,
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Speaker 6: I don't know how much to heart. They take the
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Speaker 6: tagline independent always, but it seems to me that a lot
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Speaker 6: of their reporting going after people are Alan Jones quite
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Speaker 6: rightly by the magnificent Kate McClement, darren Wick himself, and
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Speaker 6: of course Peter Costello came either after those people had
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Speaker 6: left the building or as the cracks were clearly starting
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Speaker 6: to emerge. And I think when you were starting to
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Speaker 6: look at the volume of reports in the nine press
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Speaker 6: and then also the sort of harder edges that those
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Speaker 6: reports were getting, you very much get the impression that
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Speaker 6: this is not the sort of thing you say to
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Speaker 6: a boss who has complete control. And these guys clearly
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Speaker 6: were losing support from the nine executive and from the
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Speaker 6: board itself. In the case of Costello, I think anyone
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Speaker 6: who had money on Peter Costello resigning at Mike sneezeby
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Speaker 6: still being around at the end of this, would have
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Speaker 6: done very very well indeed at the TAB but I
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Speaker 6: think both both men.
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Speaker 1: Have been under significantly pressure because you know, these are
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Speaker 1: serious allegations of sexual harassment affecting nine women, you know,
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Speaker 1: nine Channel nine women at all levels, junior and senior.
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Speaker 2: They are serious issues.
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Speaker 1: They shouldn't have been happening, and there were various women
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Speaker 1: who either raised complaints or various allegations at different levels.
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Speaker 1: And so, you know, it's quite right that there are
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Speaker 1: questions about why this was allowed to go on for
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Speaker 1: so long, and those questions still haven't.
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Speaker 6: Certainly I've been told about saying so I find it
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Speaker 6: hard to believe that people in the organization.
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Speaker 1: Have Yeah, all right, let's turn to Greece, where the
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Speaker 1: hunt for missing TV doctor Michael Moseley came to a
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Speaker 1: tragic end last night, his body found days after he
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Speaker 1: went missing. In a cruel tip twist. His body was
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Speaker 1: found close to safety next to a.
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Speaker 2: Low wall with a beach resort on the other side.
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Speaker 1: Liz, we still don't know precisely what happened, what led
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Speaker 1: to his death, but at least there is some closure
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Speaker 1: for his wife and family now.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, to think his body was found by a photographer
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Speaker 4: who was simply taking photos, it's great as in it
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Speaker 4: that was how it was identified. He was taking photos,
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Speaker 4: noticed something in the water, zoomed in on it on
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Speaker 4: his camera and was like, I think that's I think
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Speaker 4: that's a body there, and so they.
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Speaker 2: Went down and found him.
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Speaker 4: Just a tragic story one of my friend's friends is
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Speaker 4: in Greece at the moment. He was having lunch at
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Speaker 4: the cafe that Moseley walked past that day.
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Speaker 2: About same island.
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Speaker 4: Yes, and they said at the time he walked past.
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Speaker 4: I think several I've seen pictures of the CCTV footage.
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Speaker 4: Just the last time that we did see him alive,
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Speaker 4: it would have been forty five to forty seven degrees
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Speaker 4: so it was a very very hot day. And just
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Speaker 4: to think that he may have just gone for a walk,
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Speaker 4: gotten lost and not had any water on him, it's
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Speaker 2: We simply don't.
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Speaker 6: I've been to that island in the middle of summer
23:07
Speaker 6: and it is scorchingly hot. It's very very rocky, there's
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Speaker 6: very very little cover. I've also met Michael Mosley and
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Speaker 6: who's a lovely, lovely man. He was a lovely man. Yeah,
23:16
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23:20
Speaker 6: for seven years, you meet every.
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23:25
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23:27
Speaker 1: But knowing you for the past twenty years, Joe, you
23:29
Speaker 1: have never needed to die.
23:31
Speaker 5: Never needed to.
23:31
Speaker 6: But my very good friend ned who might be your
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Speaker 6: very good friend, fine and proud Jewish man did the
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Speaker 6: five to two when we've worked together.
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Speaker 2: I don't know old Jews as it turned out.
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Speaker 1: Hello, one day you can introduce him to net all right,
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Speaker 1: lista Joe Hudebrand.
23:47
Speaker 2: Thank you guys so much.
23:49
Speaker 1: Now coming up Anthney, Alberanezi returns to the climate was
23:52
Speaker 1: once again as Dutton catches up to him in the polls.
23:56
Speaker 1: Plus the US consulate in Sydney targeted pro Palestinian protest.
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Speaker 1: I'll speak with Liberal Senator Dave Sharma next.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back.
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Speaker 1: We'll Voters are deserting the Albanezy government, with Peter Dutton
24:15
Speaker 1: closing in as preferred prime minister. According to Newspoll In
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Speaker 1: the Odds today, Labour's primary vote fell one point to
24:22
Speaker 1: thirty three percent, compared with the Coalition, which gained two
24:26
Speaker 1: points to thirty nine percent. To analyze this, let's bring
24:31
Speaker 1: in now Bill Shorten's former chief of staff now GXO
24:34
Speaker 1: Strategies director Cameron Milne.
24:36
Speaker 2: Cameron, great to see you.
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Speaker 1: Look, it's really the coalition that's improved here because Labour's
24:42
Speaker 1: primary was thirty three percent at the last election, which
24:45
Speaker 1: is basically the same.
24:46
Speaker 2: Result that it is now.
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Speaker 1: So what we're seeing is Peter Dutton really lifting the
24:52
Speaker 1: coalition's performance.
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Speaker 2: What do you think, Well.
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Speaker 9: It's groundhole day for Labor because their primary hasn't shifted
24:59
Speaker 9: in two years, and little wonder because Albanese hasn't shifted
25:02
Speaker 9: in two years. But no, Peter Dutton's a winning out
25:05
Speaker 9: of today's News poll because he's consolidated the Liberal and
25:07
Speaker 9: Coalition primary vote and that's critical. It's critical not any
25:10
Speaker 9: Labor marginal seats, but also against the teals. So Peter
25:13
Speaker 9: Dutton and News poll very good news for him, not
25:16
Speaker 9: so good news for Albanese because it has gone nowhere
25:19
Speaker 9: in two years.
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Speaker 1: Look when I interviewed Peter Dutton a week ago on Sunday,
25:24
Speaker 1: he made the point to me that while there hasn't
25:27
Speaker 1: been a government who lost after one term since nineteen
25:31
Speaker 1: thirty one, he thinks it can be done.
25:33
Speaker 2: He says.
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Speaker 1: The momentums in his direction. You know, the argument is
25:38
Speaker 1: that it's similar to the trends we saw before the voice.
25:42
Speaker 2: Do you think this is possible?
25:43
Speaker 1: Do you think, like you know most commentators do, that
25:47
Speaker 1: will probably end up in a minority government or hung
25:50
Speaker 1: parliament situation.
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Speaker 5: Well, the best.
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Speaker 9: Labor can hope for with the way Albanese is traveling
25:58
Speaker 9: is minority government. It propped up by entitled Teals and
26:02
Speaker 9: anti Semitic Greens. I mean, that's the future for the
26:05
Speaker 9: Albanese government on these current poles. But no, I think
26:08
Speaker 9: the situation is in nineteen thirty one. It's twenty ten.
26:11
Speaker 9: I mean Gillard and Swann took Rudd's majority and smashed
26:14
Speaker 9: it and became minority government in one term. Bill Shorten
26:17
Speaker 9: took Tony Abbott's majority in twenty thirteen and in twenty
26:20
Speaker 9: sixteen came within one seat in the first term Liberal government.
26:23
Speaker 9: So there's a lot more volatility than people expect, and
26:26
Speaker 9: commentators should look at the last ten years of elections,
26:29
Speaker 9: not the last hundred years, because Peter Dutton may very
26:32
Speaker 9: well make a majority government in as little time as
26:34
Speaker 9: May next year.
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Speaker 1: And of course when Bill Shoton took it to within
26:38
Speaker 1: one seat, that was blamed on Meddi scare campaign, or
26:42
Speaker 1: that's at least what Malcolm Turmill blamed it on.
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Speaker 2: Cameron. Look, we are seeing good campaign.
26:50
Speaker 1: Well might have been a good one, but it was
26:52
Speaker 1: a false one, Anthony Albanesi and Penny Woe combined.
26:56
Speaker 2: Do you think these are This is.
26:59
Speaker 1: Potentially the worst Prime Minister and Foreign Minister in terms
27:02
Speaker 1: of a combination leading Australia that we've ever had.
27:07
Speaker 9: Well, it's unfortunately a long list, Schari. We had Sir
27:11
Speaker 9: Robert Menzi's selling iron to the Japanese in ninety thirty nine.
27:14
Speaker 9: We had Fraser with Andrew Peacock, who really was the
27:17
Speaker 9: Minister for Foreign Affairs as he chased Shirley maclain around
27:20
Speaker 9: the globe while on the taxpayer's dime. So we've had
27:23
Speaker 9: some pretty bad combinations. Look, what I will say is
27:25
Speaker 9: it's the weakest. It's the weakest combination I've ever seen.
27:29
Speaker 9: Week on China, week on anti Semitism, Week on Islamic extremism.
27:33
Speaker 5: We got hate preachers at home.
27:35
Speaker 9: I mean Alberti's and Wong keep making the same weak choices.
27:40
Speaker 9: Now they've got nine months to earn themselves the worst
27:42
Speaker 9: ever and let's hope they don't get there, because at
27:45
Speaker 9: the rate they're going they may well win that prize
27:48
Speaker 9: in the first term.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I certainly agree with you. Definitely.
27:52
Speaker 1: A week when it comes to foreign policy, the Prime
27:54
Speaker 1: minister today tried to change the topic. We've saw the
27:57
Speaker 1: detainee debacle has really him over the past couple of weeks.
28:02
Speaker 1: In particular today he said that Peter Dutton was worse
28:05
Speaker 1: than Scott Morrison on climate change.
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Speaker 2: Let's have a look at that.
28:10
Speaker 10: He is all negativity and no plan. And what we've
28:14
Speaker 10: seen now for two years under Peter Dutton as a
28:17
Speaker 10: reluctance to announce any policies. We've seen three now budget
28:23
Speaker 10: replies without a single costing.
28:26
Speaker 1: And this is off the back of Peter Dutton saying
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Speaker 1: once again that he would ditch Labour's twenty thirty net
28:33
Speaker 1: zero target and instead keep the twenty fifteen net zero target.
28:38
Speaker 1: Peter Dutton told the Weekend Australian that Labor has no hope.
28:41
Speaker 2: Of achieving the targets.
28:43
Speaker 1: He says, there's no sense in signing up to targets
28:46
Speaker 1: you don't have any prospect of achieving. What do you
28:50
Speaker 1: think about this, Cameron? You know we are in a
28:52
Speaker 1: cost of living crisis. That's the overarching issue affecting most Australians.
28:57
Speaker 1: So do you think Albanezi returning to the time was
29:01
Speaker 1: will work for him politically?
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Speaker 10: No?
29:05
Speaker 9: I don't because cost of living is absolutely the number
29:08
Speaker 9: one issue, cost of living, cost living, cost of living,
29:10
Speaker 9: and look tomorrow's state budget brought down by Cameron Dick
29:13
Speaker 9: is all about cost of living, so all the.
29:14
Speaker 5: Other state premiers.
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Speaker 9: So it was Jim Chalmer's budget that got buried by
29:18
Speaker 9: Albanese's week leadership on immigration a range of other matters.
29:21
Speaker 9: So no, look, I think Albanese is trying for the distraction,
29:24
Speaker 9: trying to set up some faux war that's ten years old.
29:28
Speaker 9: I don't think it'll work because people are really concerned
29:31
Speaker 9: about putting bread and butter on the table, and making
29:33
Speaker 9: sure they can pay the energy bills that are crippling
29:36
Speaker 9: them at the moment, and.
29:37
Speaker 2: Keeping a roof over their heads.
29:39
Speaker 1: You know, the housing crisis, whether absolutely people are renting
29:42
Speaker 1: or whether they're struggling with their mortgages, it is certainly tough.
29:45
Speaker 1: Camrain Milner, thank you very much for your insights. Now
29:49
Speaker 1: let's bring in now Liberal Senator Dave Sharma. Dave also,
29:52
Speaker 1: of course, Australia's former ambassador to Israel, welcome to the program. Look,
29:57
Speaker 1: we saw a pro Palestinian activists target and vandalize the
30:01
Speaker 1: US consulate in Sydney, today, a sledgehammer was used. There's
30:04
Speaker 1: graffiti across the front of the consulate. I mean, let's
30:08
Speaker 1: bring up those pictures now. And this is just the
30:12
Speaker 1: latest incident. We also heard Ray Hadley on TGB this
30:15
Speaker 1: morning report that, Yeah, that red triangle that you can
30:19
Speaker 1: see there, that's apparently a symbol where something is a
30:24
Speaker 1: target of a mus Dave Sharma, what's your reaction to
30:29
Speaker 1: this really worrying attack.
30:35
Speaker 5: Well, it's.
30:37
Speaker 11: Embarrassing, sharing because it's an attack on the diplomatic premises
30:40
Speaker 11: which are meant to be protected under international law of
30:45
Speaker 11: a close friend and ally. But it's also part of
30:48
Speaker 11: a climate of lawlessness and disorder. It's been allowed to
30:52
Speaker 11: develop because of weak leadership by the state of federal governments.
30:55
Speaker 11: I mean, how is it that outside of the US consulate,
30:59
Speaker 11: I expect there are closed circuit television cameras, expect their
31:03
Speaker 11: security footage. When are the perpetrators of these crimes vandalism,
31:09
Speaker 11: property damage, incitement, harassment, racial valification. When is someone going
31:13
Speaker 11: to be arrested, When is someone going to be charged?
31:15
Speaker 11: When is someone going to be brought to justice for this?
31:18
Speaker 11: So we send a message that this sort of conduct
31:20
Speaker 11: is not acceptable, but what we've seen is this growing
31:23
Speaker 11: climate of anarchy in our streets where people who ostensibly
31:28
Speaker 11: say they're propalaestineed more often than not their pro Hamas
31:31
Speaker 11: seem to think that the laws that apply to the
31:33
Speaker 11: rest of society do not apply to them. And we've
31:36
Speaker 11: allowed this to develop. Our Prime minister has allowed this
31:39
Speaker 11: to develop, Our premier has allowed this to develop in
31:41
Speaker 11: New South Wales, and our police leadership is taking the
31:44
Speaker 11: lead from them.
31:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know they'd be forgiven for thinking that
31:48
Speaker 1: the laws don't apply to them, because, as you say,
31:50
Speaker 1: we see very few arrests despite the level of vandalism,
31:55
Speaker 1: the aggression, not to mention the hate speech, and there
31:58
Speaker 1: are laws for hate speech. It would be good to
32:00
Speaker 1: see them used in relation to these sort of racist attacks.
32:05
Speaker 1: Dave Sharma, let's return to this news that there were
32:08
Speaker 1: four hostages rescued by Israel on Saturday night. What do
32:14
Speaker 1: you think about the fact that they were held, that
32:16
Speaker 1: three of them were held in the home of a
32:19
Speaker 1: Palestinian journalist who was reporting on human rights abuses, And
32:23
Speaker 1: do you think this is part of the reason why
32:26
Speaker 1: we're seeing such bias in media reporting.
32:32
Speaker 11: Well, he's not only a journalist, to share. He's also
32:34
Speaker 11: a spokesperson for one of the Hamas run ministries. So
32:37
Speaker 11: this is one of the quote unquote official sources of
32:40
Speaker 11: information that foreign journalists use for figures and facts, and
32:45
Speaker 11: it seems that this journalist and spokesperson.
32:48
Speaker 12: For Hamas was holding the hostages.
32:51
Speaker 11: I mean, this is just it shows you how deeply
32:54
Speaker 11: embedded Hamas is in society there, but also how you
32:58
Speaker 11: cannot trust a word that they're saying, whether it's about
33:01
Speaker 11: casualty figures or what was the cause of a particular
33:04
Speaker 11: incident or anything else. And look, first I want to say,
33:08
Speaker 11: though importantly, I'm so relieved that these hostages behind. There's
33:11
Speaker 11: still one hundred and twenty being held there, and it's
33:15
Speaker 11: just a great joy to see them reunited with their family.
33:18
Speaker 11: But let's remember these weren't freed or released by Hamas.
33:21
Speaker 11: They should have been. They should have been over two
33:23
Speaker 11: hundred and forty days ago. They should never have been
33:25
Speaker 11: taken hostage. They were liberated by Israel's military action. And
33:30
Speaker 11: all those people who are saying, well, let's have a
33:32
Speaker 11: ceasefire without any conditionality attached to it, they're effectively saying,
33:36
Speaker 11: let's leave the hostages there. This is the only thing
33:38
Speaker 11: that's liberating the hostages right.
33:39
Speaker 2: Now, exactly exactly. And there's the point I keep making.
33:43
Speaker 1: You can't have an immediate cease fire while we still
33:45
Speaker 1: have innocent families, even a baby held hostage. Now I've
33:50
Speaker 1: criticized tonight the fact that Penny Wang hasn't publicly welcomed
33:54
Speaker 1: the news. Well the Prime Minister did today finally welcome
33:58
Speaker 1: the news of the hostage.
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Speaker 2: Let's have a look.
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Speaker 10: Very much welcome hostages being reunited with their families. They
34:08
Speaker 10: should never have been hostages taken. The taking of these
34:15
Speaker 10: hostages and keeping them in captivity close to where there
34:20
Speaker 10: are so many Palestinian civilians is a atrocity and it
34:28
Speaker 10: is one of the things that leads us to call
34:30
Speaker 10: har Maaster terrorist organization to actions of a terrorist organization.
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Speaker 1: Dave Sharma, are you surprised our Foreign minister couldn't say
34:41
Speaker 1: something similar that she welcomes the release of the hostages.
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Speaker 11: Well, firstly, I welcome the comments by the Prime Minister.
34:51
Speaker 11: I think they were right in substance out in town,
34:53
Speaker 11: but I am surprised. I mean, Patty Wong is very
34:57
Speaker 11: quick on her keyboard to fire off a tweed or
35:00
Speaker 11: a post on x whenever anything happens in that region
35:04
Speaker 11: that concerns her on behalf of Israel, whether it's Israel's
35:08
Speaker 11: behavior or Israel's alleged conduct or an alleged civilian casualties
35:13
Speaker 11: from this conflict. But you would think this is one
35:16
Speaker 11: of the biggest breakthroughs in this conflict over the last
35:20
Speaker 11: few months, and it's a time of great joy. I mean,
35:22
Speaker 11: Pennywoll when she was in Israel met some of the
35:25
Speaker 11: family members of the hostages who are being held. I
35:28
Speaker 11: would have thought the humane and decent thing to do,
35:30
Speaker 11: especially when we consider that Israel, as one of our
35:33
Speaker 11: longest standing and firmest friends in the Middle East, would
35:35
Speaker 11: have been to at least welcome this news with a
35:37
Speaker 11: short statement, with a tweet, with something like that. But
35:40
Speaker 11: instead it's been left to the Prime Minister because it's
35:44
Speaker 11: like Penny Wong has a hard time saying anything positive
35:47
Speaker 11: with Israel in the same sentence.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and look at it did take the Prime
35:51
Speaker 1: Minister until today when it happens Saturday night. They could
35:54
Speaker 1: have instantly put out a statement immediately on social media.
35:57
Speaker 1: Like you said, Dave Sharma, thank you very much for
36:00
Speaker 1: your strength in this area.
36:01
Speaker 2: And for coming on the program now.
36:04
Speaker 1: Coming up the premiers that should be facing a Royal
36:06
Speaker 1: commission into their COVID lockdown laws instead given at King's
36:10
Speaker 1: Birthday honors today and of course the PM applauds the decision.
36:15
Speaker 1: Plus Holly Hughes responds to being taken off the ticket
36:19
Speaker 1: by the Liberal Party for a below were taken off
36:22
Speaker 1: the top of the ticket for a man.
36:24
Speaker 2: All of that after the break welcome back will.
36:31
Speaker 1: Former Premiers Daniel Andrews and Mark McGowan have been awarded
36:35
Speaker 1: the Companion of the Order of Australia. Daniel Andrews, who
36:39
Speaker 1: was responsible for one of the world's harshest and longest
36:42
Speaker 1: lockdowns which sparked mental health problems in children and a
36:46
Speaker 1: hotel quarantine program which caused almost eight hundred deaths, and
36:52
Speaker 1: former WA Premier Mark McGowan, who's draconian border policies separated
36:56
Speaker 1: families and left businesses struggling well. The Prime Minister first
37:01
Speaker 1: protected these premiers from the scrutiny of a Royal commission,
37:05
Speaker 1: a royal commission.
37:06
Speaker 2: That we need, if for nothing else.
37:09
Speaker 1: To make sure that we know what to do if
37:12
Speaker 1: another pandemic happens, and then today he applauded their honors.
37:18
Speaker 10: Both Daniel Andrews and Mark McGowan were very successful from
37:24
Speaker 10: the people who matter to their respective states in Victoria
37:29
Speaker 10: and Western Australia.
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Speaker 4: Well.
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Speaker 1: Former Victorian Premier Jeff Kennett said that the decision reeked
37:36
Speaker 1: of political interference and here he was speaking to James
37:40
Speaker 1: McPherson a bit earlier on Sky.
37:43
Speaker 13: So we are now giving the highest civilian award to
37:48
Speaker 13: an individual who has failed. We are recognizing failure. I
37:52
Speaker 13: would like to know why it took so quickly and
37:55
Speaker 13: whether in fact there has been political interference in him
37:59
Speaker 13: being granted this award, and that wouldn't be surprising because
38:03
Speaker 13: the hallmark of Daniel's premiership.
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Speaker 5: Was just that.
38:08
Speaker 1: Joining me to discuss Liberal Senator Holly Hughes and Deputy
38:11
Speaker 1: Chair of the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Intelligence and Security,
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Speaker 1: Andrew Wallace, Welcome to you both. Holly, what do you
38:19
Speaker 1: think do you think the premiers should have been given
38:22
Speaker 1: these honors?
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Speaker 14: Absolutely not. It is absolutely disgraceful. I think it demeans
38:26
Speaker 14: the awards. I think these awards were really set up
38:29
Speaker 14: and established to recognize volunteers in our community, people that
38:33
Speaker 14: put themselves out to assist others in Australia not do
38:37
Speaker 14: their job, and I think a lot of us could
38:39
Speaker 14: argue that both McGowan and Andrews did their job poorly. I
38:44
Speaker 14: think it's an insult to Victorians and to West Australians
38:49
Speaker 14: that health was included as part of the reasons for
38:52
Speaker 14: this recognition. When Andrews is left behind crippling debt, he's
38:56
Speaker 14: left behind significant mental health issues after the lockdowns that
38:59
Speaker 14: he put Victorias through. And McGowan, I mean, aside from
39:02
Speaker 14: cutting way off from the rest of Australia and separating
39:05
Speaker 14: families in the most obsane way, with the health system
39:09
Speaker 14: is crumbling over there and somehow or other that's granted
39:13
Speaker 14: him this award. It is just disgusting, I think on
39:16
Speaker 14: every level.
39:17
Speaker 1: I mean, it should be the nurses, it should be
39:19
Speaker 1: the aged care workers who are recognized because they put
39:23
Speaker 1: their health.
39:24
Speaker 2: On the line during the pandemic. Andrew Wallace.
39:27
Speaker 1: There's also the fact that they're not going to face
39:29
Speaker 1: scrutiny at a Royal commission, the inquiry announced by Anthony
39:33
Speaker 1: ALBINIZI that doesn't compel the premiers, doesn't you know, force.
39:38
Speaker 2: Them to give evidence under subpoenas.
39:41
Speaker 1: And this is what is important because if another pandemic hits,
39:45
Speaker 1: we do need to know what the right things are.
39:48
Speaker 1: You know, do we need masks, do we need vaccines?
39:51
Speaker 1: A lot of people would argue no, of course not,
39:54
Speaker 1: but you know, there does need to be a set
39:56
Speaker 1: of guidelines established and without a royal Commission, we can't
39:59
Speaker 1: get the those proper recommendations.
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Speaker 12: That's right, Shari.
40:05
Speaker 15: Look, please God, there'll never be another pandemic like what
40:08
Speaker 15: we saw. I'm sure that we well, one would like
40:11
Speaker 15: to think that as governments in this country and across
40:14
Speaker 15: the world, that we would have learnt our.
40:16
Speaker 12: Lessons from the latest pandemic.
40:18
Speaker 15: But unless we pull it apart, turn it upside down
40:21
Speaker 15: and give it a good shaking, we'll never really learn
40:23
Speaker 15: those lessons. And because of the federation, the way that
40:26
Speaker 15: we govern, the way that we are governed in this country,
40:30
Speaker 15: to really exclude the state governments, and let's bearing in
40:35
Speaker 15: mind it was the state governments.
40:36
Speaker 12: That really ruled the roost in relation to health matters.
40:41
Speaker 15: To exclude them from a royal commission really smacks of
40:44
Speaker 15: political interference and it was just absolutely a cover up
40:49
Speaker 15: from the Prime Minister.
40:51
Speaker 5: But I see what's really interesting, Shari.
40:53
Speaker 15: It's a protection racker. But I tell you what's really interesting.
40:56
Speaker 15: I'm sure Hollywood agree with me on this. Whenever I've
40:58
Speaker 15: put anybody up for an Australia Award or now a
41:03
Speaker 15: King's Birthday honors, it generally takes.
41:06
Speaker 12: I've never had one dealt.
41:08
Speaker 15: With in under eighteen months, usually two years somewhere around there.
41:12
Speaker 12: Isn't it interesting? And bearing your mind, politicians and judges,
41:15
Speaker 12: whoever is in public life never get it gone whilst
41:18
Speaker 12: they are serving. But it's really.
41:20
Speaker 2: Interesting, very quick turn around.
41:21
Speaker 15: Then, Mark McGowan resigned almost twelve months ago to the
41:26
Speaker 15: day and Daniel Andrews resigned nine months ago. So could
41:31
Speaker 15: it be but these two premiers had their applications approved
41:36
Speaker 15: or whoever nominated them in less than twelve months.
41:39
Speaker 12: I smell a rat.
41:40
Speaker 2: No good point, now, Holly.
41:43
Speaker 1: About two weeks ago you lost your spot on the
41:46
Speaker 1: Senate preselection ticket. You were the type of the ticket
41:50
Speaker 1: you're now number four. That's considered an unwinnable spot. It
41:54
Speaker 1: is an unwinnable spot. Instead, the number one on the
41:57
Speaker 1: ticket is one of your colleagues, Andrew brag How do
42:01
Speaker 1: you feel you know there's been a lot of discussion
42:04
Speaker 1: within the Liberal Party about prioritizing women, and I think
42:07
Speaker 1: the Sky audience, the Sky viewers would know you as
42:11
Speaker 1: a very strong woman who campaigns for a lot of issues,
42:15
Speaker 1: not the least of which is anti Semitism. How do
42:18
Speaker 1: you feel about being moved down to number four and
42:21
Speaker 1: replaced by a man?
42:23
Speaker 14: Look, Andrew was always going to get repre selected at
42:26
Speaker 14: the end of the day. He's backed by the Moderate
42:28
Speaker 14: faction within the Liberal Party and they have been the
42:31
Speaker 14: dominant faction in the New South Wales division for a while,
42:34
Speaker 14: so he was always going to get there. The other
42:37
Speaker 14: people that were running were running against me, and I
42:39
Speaker 14: find it a little bit insulting that for some people
42:41
Speaker 14: there's a bit of an attitude you can replace one
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Speaker 14: woman with another and it doesn't matter. I think you
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Speaker 14: do need to look at merit. I think you need
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Speaker 14: to look at experience, and I need to think, you
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Speaker 14: know what the contribution that's been made and could obviously
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Speaker 14: continue to be being.
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Speaker 2: Made, would be considered.
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Speaker 14: Unfortunately, it came down to about one hundred and fifty
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Speaker 14: pre selectors in New South Wales who decided that I
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Speaker 14: was not that woman to continue serving the party. It
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Speaker 14: has been met with shockun horror pretty much across the Parliament,
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Speaker 14: all sides of the Parliament, so you know, it is
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Speaker 14: what it is though, that's what the New South Wales
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Speaker 14: Division has decided to do.
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Speaker 1: I understand that Peter Dutton didn't have anything to do
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Speaker 1: with this, but the Shadow Treasurer Angus Taylor did, is
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Speaker 1: that right?
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Speaker 14: Yeah, so he certainly wrote a reference for another woman
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Speaker 14: who was running in the race that she would make
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Speaker 14: a great contribution. So the question was raised at the
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Speaker 14: time not only by Andrew and myself who are current
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Speaker 14: shadow ministerial colleagues of Angus Taylor's, but also you know
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Speaker 14: which one of us and a lot of our other
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Speaker 14: colleagues raise the point which one of us should be
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Speaker 14: being replaced? So now we know what the intention was
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Speaker 14: behind that. This is unprecedented in Angus Taylor for doing that.
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Speaker 14: It's unprecedented for a colleague to actively campaign against other
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Speaker 14: particularly shadow ministerial colleagues.
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Speaker 12: Peter Dutton and Susan.
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Speaker 14: Lee run a very very or on United team. I
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Speaker 14: think this has probably exhibited more personal ambition than ambition
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Speaker 14: for the team, which is something that you.
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Speaker 2: Know, I wish Daylors.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, I think that his personal ambition has got in
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Speaker 14: the way of keeping the unity in the team.
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Speaker 2: Well, he's gone against Peter Dutton here.
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Speaker 14: Peter Dutton had given a reference to Andrew Bragg and
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Speaker 14: myself that he wanted to keep his shadow ministerial team
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Speaker 14: together and I think, you know, really Dennis Shanahan probably
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Speaker 14: summed it up in The Australian Best earlier when he
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Speaker 14: said that Angus Taylor has to get serious about detail
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Speaker 14: and present a more mature alternative in Parliament. And I
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Speaker 14: don't think anyone could say it better than Dennis there.
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Speaker 14: It's interesting that he's spending more time on factional politics
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Speaker 14: in New South Wales. I think that perhaps his portfolio.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, very very strong remarks are accusing the Shadow Treasurer
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Speaker 1: of spending more time.
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Speaker 14: Well, I don't know whether he spent more time, but
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Speaker 14: he certainly showed some and the history, you know, he
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Speaker 14: has always been even if you don't like a colleague,
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Speaker 14: you don't actively campaign against them.
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Speaker 1: No, indeed, Andrew, Well, let's just to get your reaction
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Speaker 1: to Peter Dutton's comments on the zero target. He's now saying,
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Speaker 1: or he has been saying for a while that it
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Speaker 1: doesn't look like the twenty thirty targets are going to
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Speaker 1: be met, so we should push it back to twenty fifty.
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Speaker 2: What's your reaction to that.
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Speaker 15: I think there's probably only one person in the world
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Speaker 15: who thinks that labor will get us to forty three
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Speaker 15: percent reduction by twenty thirty, and that's Chris Bowen.
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Speaker 12: Nobody believes that that's going to happen.
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Speaker 15: Particularly with the framework that they've laid out, the amount
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Speaker 15: of solar panels that need to be laid on the
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Speaker 15: daily basis, the amount of wind turbines that need to
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Speaker 15: be constructed on a daily basis, it's just not going
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Speaker 15: to happen. So we're committed to ensuring that we get
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Speaker 15: to net zero by twenty fifty, absolutely, but we want
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Speaker 15: to ensure that we effectively hold the government to its
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Speaker 15: commitments that it has made, and the reality is it's
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Speaker 15: most impossible for.
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Speaker 12: It to achieve it. But I think.
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Speaker 15: The comments that Cameron Milner made earlier were really appropriate.
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Speaker 15: Very few people are now talking about this. What people
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Speaker 15: are absolutely focused on is cost of living.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed, apologies, Andrew, but we are out of time
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Speaker 1: right now. I've got to get to Kosher Garden next
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Speaker 1: to Andrew Wallis, Hollyho's great to see you now after
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Speaker 1: the break the latest on Hunter Biden's gun trial and
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Speaker 1: the stark difference between how the media has portrayed Hunter
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Speaker 1: Biden's case compared to Donald Trump's. Stay tuned, welcome back. Well,
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Speaker 1: let's bring in now Sky News contributor Kosher Garter Kosher,
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Speaker 1: great to see you. Look, we've just seen that the
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Speaker 1: second week of Hunter Biden's gun trial, prosecution has rested
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Speaker 1: its case. Where do you think they're up to in
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Speaker 1: terms of proving whether or not he was actually using
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Speaker 1: drugs in the days before he bought a gun.
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Speaker 3: You know, I think this case, Shari, much like the
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Speaker 3: Trump case, is going to come down to less so
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Speaker 3: about the proof and how compelling the prosecution is going
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Speaker 3: to be or not going to be in what they're proving,
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Speaker 3: but ultimately the jury and how favorable is the jury
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Speaker 3: going to be or not? You know, because this case,
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Speaker 3: the whole premise of it is, as you point out,
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Speaker 3: was he addicted which is where the felony charge comes in.
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Speaker 3: Was he addicted to substances at the time of procuring
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Speaker 3: a gun? They're going to argue, well, you know, in
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Speaker 3: the day before it or the day after it, the
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Speaker 3: defense will argue he wasn't, and that's kind of a
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Speaker 3: hard thing to prove one way or the other. They
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Speaker 3: do have some corroborating evidence from his own accounts that
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Speaker 3: he's published, et cetera, so that will all air out.
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Speaker 3: I think ultimately it comes down to the Delaware jury.
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Speaker 3: The Bidens are very well known in Delaware, and ultimately,
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Speaker 3: regardless of the facts and law, what is the jury
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Speaker 3: likely to do, I think is what this is where
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Speaker 3: this is going to wind up.
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Speaker 1: What about the media treatment of the two cases, the
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump case and the Hunter Biden one. Do you know,
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Speaker 1: do you notice the difference in the tone?
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Speaker 12: One hundred percent?
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Speaker 3: I think there's a reason why media approval sits somewhere
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Speaker 3: between Congress and various terrorist groups. To be honest, it's
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Speaker 3: like very low in the teens. I think are low
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Speaker 3: teens the approval rating for this because people know and
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Speaker 3: they see right through it. There's an agenda for sure
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Speaker 3: with most of the media, and I think that's why
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Speaker 3: you don't see that much polling has changed in the
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Speaker 3: aftermath of either the Trump case or even this current
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Speaker 3: ongoing case because most of the electorate is baking it
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Speaker 3: into the case and they really see through the media
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Speaker 3: as being not so much reporting the facts, but more
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Speaker 3: so just influencing opinion.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed, all right, Kosha Goata, thank you very much
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Speaker 1: for joining us tonight, and to everyone at home, have
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Speaker 1: a great rest of your lovely long weekend.
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Speaker 2: I'll see you tomorrow at eight. And here's Paul Mari