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Rachel Speaking Out from New Zealand · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to say this is a very off
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Speaker 1: the cuff interview. We have had some guests arrive at
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Speaker 1: the UK Column studio. Rachel has come here today to
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Speaker 1: see us with her dad, Richie Richard, and the story
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Speaker 1: is that Rachel's actually come a long way because she's
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Speaker 1: come from New Zealand and she was keen to come
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Speaker 1: and see the UK Column. She's known about us for
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Speaker 1: about four years, but she's been talking already about experiences
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Speaker 1: in New Zealand around lockdown and what it was like.
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Speaker 1: And my immediate response was to say, well, we also
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Speaker 1: had probably two years ago, a lady from Australia came
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Speaker 1: to see it and she was telling us how bad
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Speaker 1: it was in Australia, and I think that you guys
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Speaker 1: had a really tough time in news even in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Brian, it was actually quite terrifying to experience. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: they were. They closed the border in Auckland where we lived.
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Speaker 1: And what does that mean which border?
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Speaker 2: So the border out of Auckland. Yeah, so it was
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Speaker 2: basically holding people to ransom during the rollout of the vaccines,
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Speaker 2: and they also did a vaxathon as well, where they
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Speaker 2: invited the whole family and to have their vaccinations together,
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Speaker 2: and it was it was just unbelievable, to be honest, Brian,
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Speaker 2: to experience and.
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Speaker 1: And you you knew very quickly that something was wrong.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. It seemed to me, you know, when I was
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Speaker 2: reading the mainstream news in New Zealand that they were
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Speaker 2: quickly rolling out, you know, it just seemed to go
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Speaker 2: from COVID to vaccines. But in the interim there was
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Speaker 2: a lot of talk about indemnity, you know, from the
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Speaker 2: pharmaceutical companies, and that in itself was a big red
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Speaker 2: flag for me. And it just seemed so fast, and
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Speaker 2: everything just happened so fast, with the lockdowns and then
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Speaker 2: the vaccine roll out and the cohorts, you know, and
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Speaker 2: I just thought, well, what is this a one size
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Speaker 2: fits all, you know, whereas the you know, the sorry
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of they do correct, thank you, Brian,
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Speaker 2: And it just seemed wrong. And yeah, I yeah, I
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Speaker 2: just it just my intuition inside said this is wrong.
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Speaker 1: And that was very early on.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I really did. Yeah. And I can remember when
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Speaker 2: we were in lockdown and I was having teams conversations
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Speaker 2: with my colleagues, and I think they thought, what, you know,
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Speaker 2: I said, this is so wrong. You know, it feels
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Speaker 2: like our freedoms have been taken away and I'm being
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Speaker 2: held to ransom to have a medical procedure. And nobody
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Speaker 2: really felt that way, which was quite a lonely place
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Speaker 2: to be actually, Brian, you.
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Speaker 1: Just told me that the government used an expression for
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Speaker 1: peopleople who were protesting what was happening? What? What was
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Speaker 1: that expression?
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Speaker 2: River of filth?
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Speaker 1: Who actually said that? The Prime Minister or I.
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Speaker 2: Think it was the Speaker of the House at the time,
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Speaker 2: I think it was. It was his name, Trevor Mallard,
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Speaker 2: but it was you know in the mainstream news, you
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Speaker 2: know that people were being called river of filth, anti voxes.
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Speaker 2: It was like we were the enemy, right absolutely, which
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Speaker 2: is terrifying in itself.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean we felt it as well. I
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Speaker 1: know all of the UK column people quickly said there's
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Speaker 1: something really strange going on here. But it was oppressive
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Speaker 1: and the oppression of the lockdown affected some members of
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Speaker 1: my family, quite extended family, quite badly, and that really
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Speaker 1: brought it home to me how frightened they'd actually got people.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and isolated.
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Speaker 1: And isolated as well. Yeah, and particularly for elderly people
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Speaker 1: that were shut up in the room as the residential
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Speaker 1: homes and the so called care homes. I mean it
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Speaker 1: was pretty pretty bad. So you felt this and then
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Speaker 1: you get to a point where you start to meet
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Speaker 1: people when you wrote a book. But did was it
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Speaker 1: the meeting of the people that helped you create the
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Speaker 1: book or did you decide you're going to write the
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Speaker 1: book first came which came first?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely. So. I was under a lot of pressure
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Speaker 2: at work to have the vaccine, and I'd had an
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Speaker 2: adverse reaction to the flu vaccine when we lived in Australia,
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Speaker 2: so and I'm also allergic to penicillin. So I actually
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Speaker 2: was proactive and went to see my GP. And obviously
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Speaker 2: all this is on my medical records. So I said
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Speaker 2: to the GP, who actually wasn't my normal GP. It
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Speaker 2: was a locum when I went to the doctors and
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Speaker 2: I said, if you can look at my medical records,
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Speaker 2: you know I had the flu vaccine and I was
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Speaker 2: really unwell. Brian, when we just moved to Australia, I
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Speaker 2: thought I was doing the right thing because I was
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Speaker 2: in a new hemisphere. I didn't know what I was
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Speaker 2: going to be exposed to. So but yeah, I was
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Speaker 2: seriously unwell, so already, you know, for me, i'd had
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Speaker 2: that adverse reaction to a vaccine. So so I said,
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Speaker 2: can you tell me what's in the COVID vaccine because
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Speaker 2: I'm also allergic to penicillin, and I I need to
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Speaker 2: make and informed decision and choice whether to take this
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Speaker 2: because I'm under pressure at work. And it was a
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Speaker 2: really sinister encounter with a GP because he said, well,
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Speaker 2: if you don't take it, you'll probably lose your job
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Speaker 2: and you'll never travel again. And it was really fear,
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Speaker 2: pure fear, nothing about you know, my medical history. And
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Speaker 2: I actually asked him again what was in the vaccine
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Speaker 2: contents and he had no idea. I could tell that
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Speaker 2: I got his back up because I learned afterwards, obviously
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Speaker 2: that GPS were getting monetary funds for each vaccination that
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Speaker 2: they administered, which again in itself, Brian.
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Speaker 1: Is wrong absolutely. So when when did you start to
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Speaker 1: meet other people that had problems with.
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Speaker 2: Yes, So I'd relocated my family to a semi rural, sorry,
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Speaker 2: semi rural country town, and I felt very isolated, and
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Speaker 2: I started obviously I was following UK column at the time,
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Speaker 2: and I think I was on a thread where they
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Speaker 2: There was another lady from New Zealand who responded to
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Speaker 2: one of my posts and we exchanged contact details and
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Speaker 2: I gave her a phone call and we were chatting
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Speaker 2: on the phone for like four or five hours, just
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Speaker 2: talking about everything, and she introduced me to some freedom forums.
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Speaker 2: So from that, Brian, I met other people who were
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Speaker 2: in similar circumstances to me, which was very cathartic. And
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Speaker 2: then then the Wellington protest happened and I felt compelled
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Speaker 2: to go. And that's where the book comes in because
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Speaker 2: I wanted to document, not digitally, why people were there.
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Speaker 2: And I met people from all walks of life, Brian,
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Speaker 2: you know, policemen, nurses, midwives, just housewives, house dads, kids
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Speaker 2: were there.
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Speaker 1: And these were all people who were uncomfortable with what
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Speaker 1: was going.
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Speaker 2: On, absolutely and they wrote that in my book while
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Speaker 2: they were there, and it felt important to me to
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Speaker 2: document that. I'd spend time with each person, sometimes five minutes,
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Speaker 2: sometimes hours, just chatting about what was going on. And Yeah,
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Speaker 2: and it was a community where we all felt that
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Speaker 2: we had this. It was it was a bond, a
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Speaker 2: bond and also I felt.
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Speaker 1: This as well. Yeah, with a group of people but
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Speaker 1: you actually feel that there's.
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Speaker 2: I felt compelled to be there, Brian, and a lot
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Speaker 2: of people felt the same. I've never in my life
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Speaker 2: attended a protest or anything like that, but yeah, I
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Speaker 2: just felt compelled to be.
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Speaker 1: There, right. And you said that there was a Maori
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Speaker 1: man who came and he wrote a lot, because you've
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Speaker 1: just showed me a picture of him writing in the book,
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Speaker 1: I think. But he wrote a lot and he was
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Speaker 1: talking about history. Did you what came into my head
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Speaker 1: when you showed me that was Did he did he
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Speaker 1: say something along the lines of in Maori teachings, this
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Speaker 1: time was going to come in the world.
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Speaker 2: No, he was more I think he found it as
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Speaker 2: a Maori to talk about, you know, colonization and his
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Speaker 2: family ancestry and history and how you know, the Treaty
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Speaker 2: of White Agi and things like that. He cathartically wrote
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Speaker 2: in the book to document his family Maori history and
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Speaker 2: what hit him as a Maori felt about what the
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Speaker 2: government was doing in New Zealand.
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Speaker 1: So this was a lot of very personal stuff coming
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Speaker 1: to the surface for people.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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Speaker 1: And you said that there was some policemen who also
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Speaker 1: attended and spoke to you.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I met a lovely policeman who wrote in the
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Speaker 2: book just wished us well, and I thought it was
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Speaker 2: very brave and courageous of him, and he actually showed
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Speaker 2: a lot of human empathy and compassion for what we
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Speaker 2: were doing. And yeah, I've got a photo of him
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Speaker 2: signing the book. And also yeah, he also embraced one
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Speaker 2: of my friends wishes all well.
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Speaker 1: And you said that this policeman who was clearly very nice,
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Speaker 1: and there were other policemen who were nice while they
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Speaker 1: were with you and the group a short distance away
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Speaker 1: with some of the sort of heavy anti root plice
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Speaker 1: who lined up ready to go, out of sight, but
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Speaker 1: ready to go.
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Speaker 2: And that was another thing I wanted to mention Brian,
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Speaker 2: that that from what was in the mainstream news. I
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Speaker 2: told you that they called us anti vaxes and a
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Speaker 2: river of filth, and I feel like that has affected society.
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Speaker 2: You know, the police obviously not working for the public good.
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Speaker 2: They're working for the government, which the public paid for
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Speaker 2: with taxes. And it was like I said, I've never
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Speaker 2: been to a protest before, and I was staying with
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Speaker 2: a lady I met on the Freedom group and we
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Speaker 2: were were just pitched up a tent and of a line.
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Speaker 2: There was like a fence and there was a line
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Speaker 2: of policemen, all with the battons and pepper spray and
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Speaker 2: all suited and booted, you know. And I can remember
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Speaker 2: Brian looking and thinking, I actually felt quite intimidated and terrified,
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Speaker 2: and I just thought, wow, this anything could happen here.
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Speaker 2: And I had to let go of that fear and
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Speaker 2: remember why I was there, and you know, there was
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Speaker 2: so much support there. And I can remember looking at
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Speaker 2: the police and my eyes just welled up, you know,
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Speaker 2: I just thought, wow, you know, to experience something like
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Speaker 2: that was, yeah, terrifying.
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Speaker 1: Takes you into a completely different space. So what is
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Speaker 1: your book? Simply raw comments that people have, comments that
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Speaker 1: people are made in the book or of you. Have
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Speaker 1: you made it into a formal But we should have
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Speaker 1: it here with us.
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Speaker 2: We should I should have brought it, but got it
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Speaker 2: with you? Is it upstairs or no it's actually away?
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Speaker 1: Oh okay.
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Speaker 2: To be honest, I didn't bring it because I didn't
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Speaker 2: want to lose it. And as we said, this isn't
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Speaker 2: off the cuff. You kindly invited me to the studio.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, perhaps we should say to the people.
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Speaker 2: Listenring things this happens.
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Speaker 1: I don't think anybody has come to the UK column
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Speaker 1: before with well you did make a telephone call, but
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Speaker 1: I just got a recorded message and then I sent
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Speaker 1: you a text and you replied yes. So it was
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Speaker 1: one recorded message and two text which are exchanged, and
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Speaker 1: then you're here, and then i'd better gently say to
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Speaker 1: the audience, but you say on the website you don't
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Speaker 1: accept this, and we we have to do this because
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Speaker 1: unless we are very careful about timings, visitors cause us
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Speaker 1: problem because we can't do the job if people are here.
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Speaker 1: And it's always good to talk. So for you, somehow
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Speaker 1: you got through the system.
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Speaker 2: I did me neither. It was meant to be Brian, right.
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Speaker 1: So just to pin the book down, so it is
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Speaker 1: the book writings and comments from people you met raw
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Speaker 1: or have you have you written a book around their comments?
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Speaker 2: So it's yeah, it is very raw. There are comments
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Speaker 2: from children who have been banned from sports and that's
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Speaker 2: why they attended. There's comments from midwives, all walks of life,
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Speaker 2: all all demographics, and like the marriage gentleman I met.
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Speaker 2: He wrote pages and pages and it's a precious piece
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Speaker 2: of work. To be honest, Brian, that I have added
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Speaker 2: to it. When I returned back from the protests back home,
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Speaker 2: it took me a few weeks to absorb what what
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Speaker 2: I'd just witnessed and been through, and so slowly and
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Speaker 2: gradually I've added to the book things that I've researched myself,
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Speaker 2: and also from UK column as well, on why all
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Speaker 2: this is happening and why you know, all the Western
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Speaker 2: particularly the Five Eyes nations. Yes, we're all in lockstep
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Speaker 2: with each other every step of the way through all this.
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Speaker 2: And I noticed that as well. You know, I could
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Speaker 2: read the BBC News of New Zealand News and it
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Speaker 2: was pretty.
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Speaker 1: Much well, I'm going to say, I believe it's a
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Speaker 1: genuine clip, but somebody sent me a little video clip
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Speaker 1: scientific man in the vaccine field, friend of Bill Clinton.
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Speaker 1: I can't remember his name, but in it he's being
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Speaker 1: interviewed and he casually says, well, it seems to me
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Speaker 1: that that what we've seen is that when people need,
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Speaker 1: you know, to take the vaccine, they're not necessarily going
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Speaker 1: to do it. And we are going to need we
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Speaker 1: need to be pretty forceful about this, and I think
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Speaker 1: that ultimately we're going to need NATO to be involved.
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Speaker 2: I think that's true.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: I also remember, just to add to that, Chris Hipkins
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Speaker 2: saying on TV that they were going to hunt the
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Speaker 2: vaccine it down right, and watching that yeah from your home.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's two things because it tells you a lot
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Speaker 1: about the mind and the mental state and the people
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Speaker 1: making that comment. And then yeah, if you're at home,
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Speaker 1: it's something that's going to make a lot of people fearful.
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Speaker 1: Fearful anyway.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, the early next year will be in the phase
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Speaker 3: of chasing up people who haven't come forward to get
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Speaker 3: their vaccination or have missed their bookings and so on.
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Speaker 3: So everyone will be able to get a vaccine between
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Speaker 3: now and the end of the year. But of course,
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Speaker 3: you know, and I want every New Zealander to come forward,
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Speaker 3: but human behavior suggests that there will be some people
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Speaker 3: that we have to actually really go out and look for,
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Speaker 3: and some of that may spill into next year. But
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Speaker 3: our commitments, everyone will have the opportunity to get the
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Speaker 3: vaccine by the end of the year. Everyone will. But
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Speaker 3: I can't say that you know that we're not going
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Speaker 3: to have some hesitant people, some people who just haven't
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Speaker 3: come forward that we don't have to go out and
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Speaker 3: find next year it.
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Speaker 2: Was the one size fits all and you will comply.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well we've got to be the people who won't complain.
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Speaker 1: Somebody's got to stand up and say no, you know, not.
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Speaker 2: Doing it well, Brian, what's the meaning of yes if
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Speaker 2: you can't say no.
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Speaker 1: No, that's true. So key question then is how did
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Speaker 1: you discover the column?
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Speaker 2: Oh? It was a feeling, you know, of knowing from
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Speaker 2: my own being, my own intuition that something was very wrong,
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Speaker 2: and I just started researching, you know, what was going on,
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Speaker 2: and it led me, as you know, when you do research,
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Speaker 2: it leads you down different paths, and I came across
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Speaker 2: the UK column and yeah, I met a lady on
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Speaker 2: there who was also in New Zealand and yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: So you've used the word cathartic, and I'll say this
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Speaker 1: is cathartic for us to know why people, how people
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Speaker 1: found us, and then why they stay with us. So what.
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Speaker 2: I know you've said, you've mentioned that to me. But
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Speaker 2: having that source of information, which just when you're doing
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Speaker 2: your own research, it just amplifies that you're not alone,
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Speaker 2: you're not mad, you're not mad, you're not crazy, You've
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Speaker 2: got God given intuition, and that's what it's therefore to
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Speaker 2: keep you out of danger.
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Speaker 1: You've been last question, You've been through all of this,
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Speaker 1: and hopefully at some stage there is going to be
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Speaker 1: an audience to this conversation. Wow, what would you like
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Speaker 1: to say to the audience? What do you think they
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Speaker 1: should be thinking about and doing?
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Speaker 2: Well? I think they should be researching for themselves. The
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Speaker 2: information has been out there for quite a few years
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Speaker 2: now regarding fil indicates. I mean, what's the computer salesman
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Speaker 2: doing in pharmaceuticals? You know, that's just a common self
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Speaker 2: question I asked myself, you know, and he's making billions
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Speaker 2: of dollars and he's integrated with governments. And this is
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Speaker 2: where the World's Economic Forum comes in, because then I
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Speaker 2: learned that the then New Zealand Prime Minister was part
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Speaker 2: of this Global Young Leaders network where they're training a
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Speaker 2: NGO for five years or something and come out the
22:49
Speaker 2: other side global leader.
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Speaker 4: So you basically see it like almost you probably don't
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Speaker 4: seem like this, the two different classes of people. If
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Speaker 4: you're vaccinated or if you're unvaccinated, you have all these
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Speaker 4: rights if you are vaccinated.
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Speaker 5: That is what it is. So yep, yep.
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Speaker 4: Can you describe as you previously if I've been not
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Speaker 4: to be aged not to have to do. But I
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Speaker 4: guess when we still like we could maintain a elimination
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Speaker 4: across the whole country, I guess that has now.
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Speaker 6: Changed because I think it was less because necessarily of
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Speaker 6: the elimination determining that, and more because we of course
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Speaker 6: maintained and actually we have managed very high vaccination rates,
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Speaker 6: generally without the use of certificates.
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Speaker 5: But actually what it's become clear to me is that
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Speaker 5: they're not just a tool to drive up vaccines. They
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Speaker 5: are a tool for confidence. People who have been vaccinated
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Speaker 5: will want to know that they are around other vaccinated people.
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Speaker 5: They want to know that they're in a safe environment.
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Speaker 5: It is a way that we can give confidence to
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Speaker 5: those who are going back into hospitality or events, and
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Speaker 5: so that is something that I think we should offer
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Speaker 5: to people who have vaccinated, the confidence that we're doing
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Speaker 5: everything we can to keep them safe and that they
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Speaker 5: can come back out instead of enjoying those things safely.
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Speaker 2: This is not conspiracy, Brian, this is fact. You know,
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Speaker 2: these people in powerful positions have obviously got an agenda
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Speaker 2: and they're following it through.
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Speaker 1: And we need to expose that. This is the key
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Speaker 1: to it is exposing it, because once enough people see
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Speaker 1: what they're doing, it's over.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. And you know, I'm on my feet, not on
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Speaker 2: my nies. I've got a child to think about and
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Speaker 2: her future is everything to me. And that's why you've
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Speaker 2: got to be courageous, have a voice. You're not a minority,
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Speaker 2: even though you think you are. You know, just on
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Speaker 2: my journey around the here, I kept mentioning the UK
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Speaker 2: column and why, you know, coming to visit you, you know,
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Speaker 2: just that spark of doubt where somebody may like myself.
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Speaker 2: You know, I've never you know, I've never felt compelled
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Speaker 2: to do research on governments and NGOs and World Economic
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Speaker 2: Forum and the United Nations. And the truth is out there,
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Speaker 2: isn't it for.
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Speaker 1: You to find?
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Speaker 2: Absolutely? Hence the censorship, I think because people are becoming
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Speaker 2: more aware. And obviously, if you're aware, you're you're a threat.
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Speaker 1: I think, well, if you're if you're aware, your forearm,
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Speaker 1: don't you that's the import.
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Speaker 2: Is far out? Yeah, absolutely, but you know it's going
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Speaker 2: to come to the point where people won't have a
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Speaker 2: choice and won't have a vice.
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Speaker 1: It continues now is the time to fight. It's definitely
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Speaker 1: the case.
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Speaker 2: It's now now, I'll never Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely brilliant. Well, thank you for coming all the way
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Speaker 1: from New Zealand and you made it down here to
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Speaker 1: Plymouth and you made it to the UK column studio. Yes,
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Speaker 1: and it's been a real pleasure talking to you, so Rachel,
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Speaker 1: well done.
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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you. It's a privilege to meet you. Brian,
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Speaker 2: and I think the team's amazing. The work that you
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Speaker 2: do is amazing and you're putting your head above the
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Speaker 2: parapet and everybody else should.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, there we are for our audience. You've got
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Speaker 1: to do it as well. Let's leave it there.