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Functional Medicine & Root Cause Healing w/ Dr. Danielle and Dr. Joey | Ep 87 · The Driven Athlete

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  Speaker 1: If you're a driven, active person who wants to reach and pursue a higher quality life with some ambition, then guess what this podcast is for you.
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  Speaker 1: This is the Driven Athlete Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: What's up?
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  Speaker 1: Y'all?
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  Speaker 1: It's your man, dr Kyle.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Driven Athlete Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: We got two really cool guests with us.
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  Speaker 1: We got Dr Danielle and Dr Joey with us from Wellness First in Juneau Beach.
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  Speaker 1: So thank you guys for coming on.
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  Speaker 1: I know y'all are busy busy professionals seeing patient stuff, but thanks for coming in.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for having me here.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: So tell us more about Wellness First, and where y'all are located and what y'all do.
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  Speaker 3: Wellness First is located in Juneau Beach, like you said, and we are a concierge integrative primary care practice and that's a mouthful, but really what we're just trying to do is to create an opportunity to spend more time with our patients.
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  Speaker 3: We see primary care as a great ability to treat the whole individual, and so it's Joey myself and there are two other providers there who are also osteopaths Joey's a naturopath and there are three osteopaths Joey's a naturopath and there are three osteopaths there and I like to just tell our patients that like, or people that are considering our practice, that we're doctors that think differently than I think conventional medicine or conventional specialists.
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  Speaker 3: We're really committed to finding the why behind why patients aren't at their optimal health, and so I think the four of us really all are very committed to that answer, to finding the why, and it's cool because we all kind of have our own individual interest and niches that really, I think, work well together to really care for patients from a very comprehensive standpoint.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and when did you get on board with them?
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  Speaker 2: I got on board just over three years ago now.
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  Speaker 2: So, about three and a half years ago.
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  Speaker 1: That's cool.
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  Speaker 1: And, as a naturopathic doctor, right, the lens, like what makes you all unique?
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  Speaker 1: You said like we look at the patient differently, especially from your end.
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  Speaker 1: Right, what does that look like?
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  Speaker 2: Well, specifically in naturopathic medicine, we're really trained to find the root cause.
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  Speaker 2: So we're not a systems based approach, and I work with three other providers that also believe in the same three other providers that also believe in the same outlook.
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  Speaker 2: So what's really cool about us, too, is that we connect, and a lot of spaces don't do that.
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  Speaker 2: You have your patients and you work with those patients.
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  Speaker 2: We know our different strengths and specialties and we all get together, and if there's a patient that's having some really difficult times, we'll get together and give all four insights onto it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so collaborating.
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  Speaker 2: We collaborate all the time, Um, and it's really unique.
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  Speaker 2: I I learned something every day from my coworkers and hopefully I can contribute to their plans as well.
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  Speaker 2: So, uh, specifically with naturopathic medicine, we really do first do no harm and we look for the root cause.
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  Speaker 2: So we dig deeper.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter to me what you've been diagnosed with, necessarily it's a systems based approach.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, if there's inflammation, you know you can throw medications at it, but I want to know what's causing the inflammation.
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  Speaker 2: What's deeper than that we find out it could be something when you were seven years old that happened to you and we will find it and we will address that.
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  Speaker 2: And oftentimes that's like the first layer of the onion that just starts to unravel everything.
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  Speaker 1: Like what?
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  Speaker 1: Like what's something that could happen, like at seven years old or like 10 years old, that could send a cascade of events.
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  Speaker 2: So typically what I do see a lot is like over antibiotic use, to be honest, in childhood Interesting.
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  Speaker 2: That causes a lot of gut issues.
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  Speaker 2: It causes a lot of immune imbalances and so we see just chronic gut issues that these patients have been given, you know, miralax or Exlax their whole life, rather than really figuring out what's going on there and restoring the gut health.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting, can trigger underlying genetic predispositions that then are expressed and then down the road from that point forward, just a cascade of you know, of events that happen, and symptoms then will progress.
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  Speaker 1: So then they're 30s and it's like they're feeling way different.
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  Speaker 2: They're epigenetics, right, so we turn those off and on what we do every day, environmental toxins and exposures too.
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  Speaker 1: So where you grow up, the stress you grew up around, and absolutely medications and overuse could be part of that um, we'll get into this, like I'm I'm a natural hobbyist, I think, with with uh, pain science and just stress, anxiety and home environments and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get into that later.
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  Speaker 1: Um, I think it's just super interesting but how it affects like the mind body connection and stuff, um.
• 4:48
  Speaker 1: So and with um something I've heard with a patient recently that a couple patients, actually like a handful of patients where they've had like chronic joint pain, hypermobility issues, definitely nothing's really helping.
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  Speaker 1: They're very sensitive with like exercise and movement and stuff, but they were described like a chronic Lyme disease in the past which that's been not widely recognized from my understanding in the medical space.
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  Speaker 1: Is that correct?
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  Speaker 1: But explain, yeah, explain, chronic Lyme disease.
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  Speaker 2: Chronic Lyme is just so underdiagnosed and it is definitely getting you know.
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  Speaker 2: It's heyday now it's being recognized more, but it used to be and there are still many practitioners that think you, you get a Lyme bite, you treat it with doxy for 10 days and you're off on your own, and these patients just have this cascade of illnesses that happen after that.
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  Speaker 2: And what we are finding too is that maybe you did okay when you were 20 and you got bit by Lyme.
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  Speaker 2: You did some antibiotics to prevent major growth and then all of a sudden you're 55 and you got COVID, or you were unwell or you maybe got rebit, whatever it may be, and your immune system is just so worked up and inflammatory and we're really looking and seeing a lot of these biotoxin illnesses.
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  Speaker 2: So the Lyme offsets a bunch of other conditions in the body and a chronic state of inflammation.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's something that we treat a lot at Wellness.
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  Speaker 1: First, so chronic Lyme would still be originally from like a tick bite yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, and it just prolongs and lingers it prolongs Yep, it prolongs lingers, it can grow, it can stay in what they call a persister phase, where it's just like it hides from antibiotics too.
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  Speaker 2: So you have to get really creative.
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  Speaker 2: There's really cool testing now, which I could really go down a rabbit hole with you if you wanted to, but you can actually see it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, on blood smears now Testing used to be that was kind of what made Lyme very difficult.
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  Speaker 2: It was we didn't have great tests for it, so it was extremely underdiagnosed, even though we were seeing 20 year old women with debilitating symptoms and they were being told it was all in their head.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I had a friend that it happened to.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean like that's a classic story I've heard.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Where it's like everything's coming back negative.
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  Speaker 1: We don't see anything.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know, maybe consider seeing a psychologist.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah Well, like well, what do we?
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  Speaker 1: You know, what do you do?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so anyway, the testing for identification has been great over the last few years, but even in terms of eradication confirming eradication, because now we know we need to make sure it's actually gone- yeah, so then what does the treatment look like?
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  Speaker 1: like?
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  Speaker 1: What do y'all do?
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  Speaker 2: oh, treatment really is customized depending on the person.
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  Speaker 2: Antibiotics are definitely a part of the protocol so we do usually combined antibiotic therapy.
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  Speaker 2: Depending if they have something a co-infection called Babesia, you're going to use a different antiparasitic medication as well.
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  Speaker 2: But we really believe that the long haul treatment system incorporates botanicals.
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  Speaker 2: So we're looking at liposomal cinnamon, oregano, those kinds of things Working with the immune system.
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  Speaker 2: We utilize ozone therapy a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Dr D brought in ozone therapy what about four or five years ago now to Wellness First and it works really great with chronic conditions like Lyme molds, multiple sclerosis, things like that.
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  Speaker 2: So we combine a lot of different therapies for it.
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  Speaker 1: Gotcha Explain ozone therapy.
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  Speaker 1: Ozone therapy is lot of different therapies.
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  Speaker 1: For it, gotcha Explain ozone therapy.
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  Speaker 3: Ozone therapy is using oxygen to heal the body, and so we use a generator, because ozone is three oxygen molecules and so it's a very unstable molecule and so it doesn't occur naturally.
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  Speaker 3: You have to actually force those three molecules together.
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  Speaker 3: But depending upon what you're doing giving in the blood, injecting it into a joint, inflating the bowel or insufflating the bowel it definitely has multiple different mechanisms of action in the body and so if you're trying to address something like chronic Lyme MS, it has a really potent anti-inflammatory activation where you're actually stimulating that NAD, nadh kind of redox reaction, where you're supporting mitochondrial health, atp production.
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  Speaker 3: And so we also see it really helpful in like chronic fatigue states, fibromyalgia, chronic pain states.
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  Speaker 3: We're injecting it into joints where it forms something called lipoperoxide, so stimulating the body's own natural healing response.
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  Speaker 3: So working very similarly to how, like stem cells or PRP kind of triggers this like non-traumatic injury to tell the body hey, this, yeah, yeah, it's a regenerative kind of treatment.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, um, it's also a sterile molecule and so it does have this kind of um anti or pathogenic kind of activity where it's going to help clean up if there's virus, parasite, bacterial, uh invading agent like lingering in the bloodstream or just in a joint, even um, it's really, or in the gut, like it's.
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  Speaker 3: It's not a panacea, like you can't just have ozone and not eat well or not move your body or have other things that your body's up against and think it's gonna just cure all.
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  Speaker 3: But it definitely has a really, really effective healing response.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting.
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  Speaker 1: So I would imagine then, like helping somebody with some kind of chronic illness going on, you're going to ask is there a way to figure out with environmental toxins too?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: What we're going to say was like it's a there's a multifaceted approach.
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  Speaker 1: Let's give some ozone therapy, maybe some antibiotics, if it's appropriate.
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  Speaker 1: Diet and exercise is always going to be super helpful, of course.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So environmental.
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  Speaker 1: Is there a way to test for environmental toxicity?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we run the environmental it's called the total toxic burden test all the time.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like everyone should do that test as a marker and you can choose how often after that you want to do it.
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  Speaker 2: But that checks for heavy metals, molds and environmental toxins and you can also do the add-on of organic acids which kind of tells us how those toxins are affecting our methylation pathways.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, we check for everything in that, so you can check for parabens, plastics, pesticides, and I have yet to have anybody come back with zero Like clean slate, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But sometimes people are surprised which ones are higher.
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  Speaker 2: For them they're going in thinking it's mold and it's actually environmental toxins, and it helps us figure out which pathway we want to go towards when we are detoxing your system.
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  Speaker 1: Environmental toxins would be like mercury.
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  Speaker 2: Those are heavy metals, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Heavy metals.
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  Speaker 1: Heavy metals, pesticides yes what would it come up on?
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  Speaker 1: Pesticides?
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean?
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  Speaker 1: Like what would it be like?
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  Speaker 1: Like what would be showed to be high?
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  Speaker 1: Would it be like?
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  Speaker 2: oh, it breaks down every single different pesticide and herbicides.
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  Speaker 2: So, like all those chemicals that you're gonna see on the back, like glyphosates, and every herbicide and pesticide we have here and this is a you know, palm beach area is very beautiful aesthetically and in the past we've typically over, we've overused pesticides and herbicides, and same with farming, so we are catching those interesting, really high levels in patients.
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  Speaker 1: what do you do with that?
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  Speaker 1: Don't eat pesticides Cool.
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  Speaker 3: Where do we go?
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's obviously an important piece is reducing your exposure.
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  Speaker 3: So a big thing would be choosing organic produce when possible, right, we understand that you know a lot of times that's limited or cost prohibitive for patients.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of times that's limited or cost prohibitive for patients, but really, if you can buy local, there are some really great farmers markets that I think the farming is a little more mindful of those things.
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  Speaker 3: So we also recommend washing produce, especially with things that don't have like a large peeling.
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  Speaker 3: Like we kind of follow, like the clean 15, dirty dozen.
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  Speaker 3: Like the clean 15 are things that you don't totally need to to purchase organic.
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  Speaker 3: But the dirty dozen and that list kind of changes.
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  Speaker 3: But there are some that, like you, should always be choosing organic um, what would those?
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  Speaker 1: what would those be?
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  Speaker 3: the dirty dozen and the clean 15, okay, so, like I've never heard that before, yeah, so like a dirty dozen like spinach, blueberries, strawberries, tomatoes, strawberries things that don't have a tough peeling like avocado, don't really necessarily need to be organic.
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  Speaker 2: Watermelon may not be either.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because you're not going to eat.
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  Speaker 3: You're not going to eat the rind right mind right oranges, I would assume probably is not going to be a dirty one.
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  Speaker 3: I don't have them totally memorized.
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  Speaker 3: I always kind of reference them but I the ones that I know, but I'm always like that needs to be organic.
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  Speaker 3: It's the tomatoes, berries, spinach, do you remember any other ones?
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  Speaker 2: I know corn would be potatoes, I would do organic well, that's a whole corn and soy.
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  Speaker 3: I would absolutely always need to be organic because high pesticide load.
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Really high Interesting.
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  Speaker 3: The other thing is just helping the body naturally eliminate toxins right, and so a major thing that we always recommend is sweating okay, so obviously exercise is the best way to stimulate that.
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  Speaker 3: But then we also are big fans of sauna therapy and incorporating that Sure Infred sauna.
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  Speaker 2: Infred sauna, for sure, yeah, and we utilize any kind of sweating.
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  Speaker 2: So luckily we're in Florida so people can sweat pretty easy, just walk outside at nine o'clock in the morning.
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: Steam showers.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care how you do it, I don't care if it's one body, part of it, it's just your face today.
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  Speaker 2: Just open up those pores it.
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: It eliminates every toxin when you sweat yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: There's so many more benefits like exercise.
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  Speaker 2: Exercise is great yeah, and it moves your lymph lymph, lymph helps eliminate all of these um.
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  Speaker 2: We also can see with that test if you have extremely high levels.
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  Speaker 2: We're not going to scare you and you have to live in this bubble, but if we see really high levels that makes us think are you having methylation issues in general?
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: So we support the liver as well um to help and we use binders to help kind of attach to the toxins and help excrete them even further are there any supplements you guys recommend as like an antidote to these things?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: Like turmeric, black pepper, ginger, creatine.
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  Speaker 2: Specifically for toxins.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I just mentioned the binder.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: That's a big one that we use for both molds and toxins.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: It helps to attach to them and carry them out.
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: We love to support with glutathione and other liver supporters, so we work a lot with the liver and we open up, you know, kidney liver.
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: We have to make sure you're having like I know it's not sexy to talk about, but a bowel movement every day, because if you're not, then we're reabsorbing all those.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, yeah, gotcha.
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, when in doubt, make sure you're moving your bowels once or twice a day, like truly.
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: I think even going once a day is probably not enough for all the things that we not only consume in terms of our food, but just the other things that we're exposed to.
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  Speaker 3: That ultimately gets filtered, and the gut has to.
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  Speaker 3: That's how you eliminate toxins.
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  Speaker 3: Another major way.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got you.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: You were also mentioning testing is important and, like the full body CT scans and functional health, like extensive blood testing can bring up a lot of things.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, there's multiple different ways of kind of the things that are kind of now in vogue are the full body CT or the full body MRI.
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's whether that's necessary for you at this point in time, I think is a discussion that you should have with the provider that you trust, because a lot of times we're finding things that we call incidental incidentalomas, meaning they're never going to be clinic, clinically significant, but it's like well, you have this information now what do you do with it?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And so you know, I think everything in medicine is risk reward, and so you kind of have to know okay, if I find something, if it's in its early stages and you're seeing it, that's actually amazing.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: If you're seeing something, that's going to get you worked up and anxious about it and then pursue unnecessary testing beyond that, you know that's the downside to this.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like the net cost of like the anxiety and stress involved, involved other tests, other exposures to stuff.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Because you found a benign thing, yeah, that makes total sense.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: Um, and then with yeah, with extensive blood work, same thing like full pan of blood.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Because we have I have a uh, a patient that she's a doc, um, locally like full-on insurance hospital, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: So she's super overwhelmed but, she's a.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: She's like I have a closed, a very small lane of like what I do and this patient patients will come in and be like I want like a full blood panel, full blood work.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: She's like I don't know what I would do with that anyway, because I can't.
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  Speaker 1: I can't prescribe stuff and I'm and I'm so overwhelmed I can't do anything with that, you know.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, I think it's super helpful, right to get a wide panel of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: But is it similar, though?
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  Speaker 1: If you get like all the time and too much, it's like a lot of neuroticism and anxiety over certain levels not being perfect, or the more information the better?
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: So I would say there's a lot of markers that we do really nerd out on and think are hugely beneficial, and there's longevity ones now that can tell you your organ age and it tells you am I taking the right supplements, am I doing the right things, especially those of us that try to live a healthier lifestyle, like, am I going down the right pathway or do I need more of this?
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: But there is also oncology screening and I would say that's along the same pathway as the full body MRIs.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: So those ones it's a do you want to know, but they can identify, based on your blood, cancers really early.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: But there is a slight chance of false negative on those.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: So I would say those fall into that same category.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: But I really like the biomarkers we use in blood work.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: Oh, I think blood work is a different story, I think, where we just want to caution people as if they are pursuing like a function health like, have someone that is going to sit down and know you and know what that means specifically for you.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: So just having blood work without like a context of who you're treating, I think that can get into.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: I don't know that.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: Can you kind of have to know the patient?
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah because you got to know where you're going to start, like if you see 12 things but you have no context of the patient or their habits or what they're ready for and it's really hard to guide, like where you start or how you really best help them.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: I feel like I would put that in the same category as like imaging, for like spine imaging all the joints, sure, sure.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Because there's plenty of people that have a ton of abnormalities found herniated discs and facet arthropathy, degenerative changes, rototocuff, tears, bone spurs.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: But you can't look at an image without knowing somebody and then, identically next to somebody else who has a similar image, like, okay, who's in pain?
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, person a or person b.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: It's like, well, I would think they both would be well, actually, person b has no pain at all.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, like then it's the.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: The imaging doesn't always correlate or isn't diagnostically prognostic of, like what they're going to be like.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: You know, yeah, but what markers would you nerd out on that?
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: You love a lot.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: So I mean we like the obviously, the regular panels and hormones.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: I mean it can tell you so much.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: So now you know we happen to have a lot of people right now in perimenopause and that's a great instead of just kind of being told these are the symptoms you have to deal with, we can look at those exact hormone levels and treat so specifically towards that.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: We do really like the true age and true diagnostics where we can look at your biological age and some of your nutrient markers and inflammatory markers.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Those are nice things to look at to see if you have elevated inflammatory markers.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: That's something that we know we want to bring down.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: We love looking at blood sugar insulin.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: We want that's something that we know we want to bring down.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: We love looking at blood sugar insulin.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: We want to make sure that we feel like that value should be a lot lower than what most people targeted at.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: So those are all ones that we feel can really impact longevity and overall health and prevention.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Cool.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: One of my favorite tests that Joey recently introduced me to is something called the Hormone Zoomer.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: We use a lot of the vibrant tests and I was working with.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: We were working with a young girl who is still menstruating and really was cool to see how her hormones she's not only producing them, but how they're being broken down in the body and then we get to see also are there certain chemicals, environmental toxins that are then affecting how her hormone synthesis and how her hormones are being metabolized?
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: And so it was like really eye-opening for her to be like oh so, I'm not crazy.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: This is this is why I don't feel good, this is why I'm irritable, this is why my periods are kind of all over the place and so, um, that was really satisfying to kind of find I mean, that's that's, that's like, that's like the perfect test, right, that like really corroborates your patient's symptoms and their story.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: I find it really frustrating when you know a patient comes and they're like well, all my lab tests have been normal and my endocrinologist has said well, you know, your labs are great and so, sorry, you don't feel good.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: It must be in your head or it must just be an age thing and it's like can't do anything for you, right, or just keep taking your Synthroid and you know.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: Sorry I really and that is I don't mean to be um, sorry I don't mean to be, uh, critical, because sometimes they are just up against a time restriction, and that is why we just said we're going to do it differently, we're going to spend the time that is needed not only when the patient's in front of us.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: But, joey and I, there's a few patients that we're talking almost daily about because they just they need that kind of attention, they need that kind of brain power, and so that's One thing that I mean like, one thing I like about you guys, because we refer a lot of people to you and then something that we try to always emulate as well.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: A core value, I feel like by practice, is just trying hard.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Let's dive into the matter where this young girl, it's like this, feels weird, though I'm having these interesting symptoms, I can't really put my finger on it.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: All the tests are negative.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: All right, take Synthroid for the rest of your life.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: You're good, can't do anything for you.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: But but why, though?
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Right, like, let's dive in and just like, try hard.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you just like happen to get like, if you're a guy calling it your insurance or getting like trying to get a refund from, like your airline or something like that, right, like, like an airport, and you just happen to get the one person that just like like, let me just look into it real quick.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let me just try and they figure it out.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm like that's a huge pet peeve of mine yeah or, like the other person, be like no, can't help you.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Sorry.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Seen it a million times, don't know what to tell you.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: It's like you're just not trying no, we love the challenge like if you're.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: If you're like no one has figured this out.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: We're like okay here we go challenge accepted yeah, let's
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: roll our sleeves up.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so all right.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: So that young patient that you're describing, what do you like?
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: What do you do for that?
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, we did, I mean, I would imagine, like synthroid for thyroid issues.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Right, is there a pathway off of that?
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: sure you heal.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: You heal the gut, you fix micronutrients.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: You, uh, correct hormonal imbalances.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: You get them moving.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: You, you correct their gut.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, oh, yeah, sure, I am never of the mind that if you're on a medication today then you can't get off of it, you know, in the future.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's always our goal, right is to get them all pharmaceuticals.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: We actually believe the body has an ability to heal itself.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: But you got to have the right tools.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: You got to be consistent with those things that aren't sexy, you know.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: Going to bed at a decent hour, like moving your body every day, limiting your screen time, like choosing a chicken breast over the chicken nugget, like it's just, it's things that you know, it's just the daily little thing.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, it really is that make a huge difference.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: And you commented earlier about, you know, diet and nutrition, what kind of role they're playing, and especially when we're looking at the hormones, with a lot of these females too and I had mentioned perimenopause cortisol in today's day and age, for female and males, they're just wreaking havoc on our systems and they're such a big part of, you know, weight gain and sluggishness, and it can be part of thyroid and all these other dysregulations in the body, and we're finding that on this test as well, and so that's something that I can give you a bunch of things that are going to reduce your cortisol.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: But it'd be even better if you went to bed at 10 every night, or you didn't.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: You didn't fall asleep with your phone in your hand or these little things make the biggest difference.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I, um, it's something I totally agree we, something I try to communicate to patients with like fixing their shoulder pain or the back pain or whatever.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: It's like there's no magical like exercise.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: It's like a hundred golden BBs that all add up and end up tipping the scale over a couple of weeks to where it's like hey, that's weird, I've spent all day today and like I haven't felt my back.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: You know, weird, like that's how it happens.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: It's not like a magical moment, you know, or like this one stretch, this one mobility thing, like fixed it.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Um, so you said micronutrients.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: What do you mean?
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: So when we look at thyroid in particular, we want to know are you?
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: There's certain nutrients that help it, like selenium and iodine, and so you can.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: You can start to just replace those and make sure that they're making their levels um, or you can test for them, and we have testing for that as well, so you can test for micronutrients.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Some people really want to see exactly are my B vitamins off?
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: I've been supplementing on this protocol for five years.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Am I at those levels?
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: So we can test for that.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: But typically with thyroid we'll make sure that they're.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: On certain nutrients like selenium, iodine, potentially B vitamins always.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: So have you guys had patients with hyperthyroidism or hypothyroidism?
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Hypothyroidism is you.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: You take Synthroid, is that correct?
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Where they have been able to wean off of Synthroid and they're like steady.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah hyper is a little definitely different story.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: Hyper is a different story, but I have had success with significantly reducing the medication and then using other therapies like peptide therapy and really something called low-dose naltrexone, different immune regulators to really I mean so much of what I think we're up against in chronic illness is a dysregulated immune system.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: And so sure you want to address the Lyme, the mold, the environmental toxin, but you really want to support the immune system to then address it for you, because that's what it is designed to do.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: And so whenever we're talking about a complex patient and like where do you start, supporting the immune system's own natural ability to fight that thing or to address that thing is always in the conversation.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: So I don't know if that answers your question.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: That makes total sense Supporting the immune system with the stuff you just mentioned, like supplements for B12, supplements for the other stuff you're mentioning.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: Well, that's part of it, sure, but it's really.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, fixing the gut, I mean that that's going to be a big, big thing.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: Um, can't underestimate the power of your food and what you like forked a mouth.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah Like, constantly, consuming, yes Like you.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: I tell a lot of my patients like you cannot outwork your fork, like people just want to kind of overexercise to death, orsupplement to death, or you know over-peptide or hormone to death, and it's like like the food is really.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: I think sleep and food are king and queen in my mind.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I throw stress in there too.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Sure, but but that I think sleep is a major way that we help that.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, reduce our stress and help the body heal from stress.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: I was talking to a patient this morning.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: They were.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: They were just like telling me that they recently had been waking up at like three o'clock, can't go back to sleep.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: And they're like what, when do you sleep?
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: And I'm like I usually get to bed, like I've been at like averaging seven, seven and a half hours, which is not enough, and like how do you do that with three kids?
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: And it's like, well, I wake up like every three hours.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: You know, like it's super broken.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: They're like how do you do that with three kids?
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: And I was like, well, I wake up like every three hours.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: You know, like it's super broken.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: They're like, oh, so you're not getting seven and a half hours?
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, I'm not, but I would go to bed.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: The time length is seven and a half.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: I was like I don't want to get one I don't want to get one of those Not on the right parts.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oura ring my bad, we can edit that out.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: You should, that's great.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, no games, An Oura ring, oh God, because I'm going to be depressed, I'm going to be like I'm getting terrible sleep, you know, and I even yeah, I actually just recently got my blood work done.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: I'll have to give it to you guys.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: I haven't got the results back yet, but see what y'all think, but um had another patient that um, they're young and healthy female battling chronic shin pain.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: That's been going on for a long time.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: X-rays are negative, mri is negative, like of like, maybe like, are you overtraining?
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Like she's thin, I'm like, okay, you'd running a lot stress, fractures, osteopenia, nutritional support, right, I was like the female athlete triad.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Great recipe for that.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: She's like no, no, no, no, no, all that's good.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: She's not really even exercising that much, but anyway, the only thing and she got blood work done and when they really came back was like really high cortisol levels, but anyway.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: So since then, um, she's still seeking treatment.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: You know, I was like man, I'm doing it from a musculoskeletal standpoint.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: I'm doing everything I can.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Um, that's why I referred out.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: I was like let's get some blood work.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: You know, um, I sent her to you guys, but she's too far for you there, she's down south a little bit, but anyway, um other than that, like that's the only thing that really came back yeah everything else was kind of within the normal ranges, so it's been super interesting.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you mentioned cortisol.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: I'm like I've that has to play a role.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Something is dysregulated, oh sure, that's cool that you're considering all that with your patients, though, too, and you're referring out for further testing, and that's a piece of, you know, your treatment plan.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: That's really progressive yeah, well, I appreciate that.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: No, but I was like I want to do everything.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: My lane is musculoskeletal, neuromusculoskeletal pain, biomechanics, joint mobility, activation like muscle strength, and then like mechanics with like running and squats and how this plan to roll chronically, irritating something underneath, like the posterior tibialis or like tibial, like the ankle joint, whatever, um, but but yeah, like I wasn't working.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: You know, she's like it's a little bit better, but it's not, and I'm like this should be clearing up.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: You know we're doing everything, you know.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: Well, what I will say just to the point about distance Joey is doing a lot of our functional testing for our non-members, so you don't have to be a member of our practice to see one of us.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: Joey is really targeted to our integrative side, our integrative plus side, where we have integrative therapies like IV, nutrient therapy, chelation, ozone.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: But she's also doing the majority of our functional testing for people that just want to know about their hormone zoomer or their cortisol levels or their toxic burden or their gut health, and she spends so much time with them.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: She does a beautiful job and, I really think, worthwhile investment.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: We're also off getting those tests on our website and so you can just go on the website kind of get a quick rundown of the different tests that are offered and why someone might be interested in that testing.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: You can pay for that tester on the website, schedule a follow-up with joey really streamline, and so that shouldn't keep people from seeking this kind of not just from us, but you know anyone but but the testing is available that's good to know because, like the barrier to entry of like well, I'm not a member, like, how do I come in?
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: oh well, you have to be a member in order to get services, and that's great, yeah, cause y'all can get testing and stuff.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: And then like, at least meet y'all and then get you on a path of like.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: If it's not with us like, here's what we think you should do.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, totally.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: That's good, that's good to know.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Tell us about.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: So what are the when people come to see you?
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Well, before this, actually, I wanted to ask you so high cortisol levels, what do you do?
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Where do we go from there?
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: So everything we talked about with regular sleep times, going to bed, reducing stress obviously little things like deep breathing cold therapy can really help with that Vagal exercise.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: So like humming, shock therapy, all that and shock I mean cold like hot, and cold, electrical shock therapy, all that.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: And shock I mean cold like hot, cold Electrical shock therapy.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know those wires.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: We're super gentle, no harm.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Just grab those wires for like five seconds.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Just jump in a pool and then there's, and then we do supplement too.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: So we support the adrenals for cortisol big time.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: So a lot of people, especially you've just come out of school, you have kids, you work like crazy, you travel a lot, whatever it might be, you've just finished an Ironman your adrenals are shot.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: So even though you're doing this awesome thing for you, your adrenals are shot.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: You've just had a baby, for example.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: A lot of women postnatal are like that.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: So we supplement their adrenals in summer in the morning, summer at night, and usually we do a combo of both and it's usually a blend of botanicals, possibly like neurotransmitter support, and so we aid you into getting better sleep.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: We're not just like.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: I think the worst thing you can say to someone is like work out more and go to sleep.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like that's it Just sleep better, problem solved.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we want you to get on a bit of a cycle so that your body knows what to do.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: But we get you there with the supplements and the botanicals so that your body's in a better state to accept that.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Magnesium's probably huge for you and really big for us in calming the nervous system because we can say what we want.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: But you need help in shutting your mind off before you go to sleep.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: That's often what causes like a 3 am wake up.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: It's not always that you can't fall asleep, it's your mind was racing and it wakes you up at 3 o'clock.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Regulating blood sugar is also huge for controlling cortisol.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: So making sure you're having like protein and fat and fiber in your last meal and it's not like an empty pasta dish can really help your sleep as well.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Gotcha.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would imagine alcohol plays a role with that too.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Absolutely Alcohol, and that's what.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: When the aura ring is really cool, some people notice or there's other marker.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: There's other ways that you can track your sleep as well, but some people notice alcohol has the biggest impact on their sleep, and especially that 3 am, because alcohol does cause that blood sugar dip as well.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah it causes you to wake up.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're going to say something.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: Well, magnesium is one of, I think, the most important nutrients that we can take.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: But different magnesiums hit different systems, and so I would say, if you're looking to address the gut, it's magnesium citrate.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: If you're looking to address muscular tension, it's more magglycinate.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: If you're looking to hit the nervous system, it's going to be mag L3 and 8.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: And so it really.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: You know, the type of magnesium you take really does matter.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: My current favorite sleep aid support is ashwagandha.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: I was having that 3 am wake up.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: Like every night.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: I have a lot of my mind right Patience to think about a business to run, and so it was suggested to do ashwagandha.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: And man, I take that thing at 8 o'clock and I am out and it's beautiful, and so you know, maybe tracking your sleep, like quality and stuff I was with the aura ring.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: I've kind of since given up on that.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: Just there's so many things I'm tracking right now, so it's just one less thing, but I like.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I should have gone at eight in bed by 10 and I'm sleeping through the night and sometimes I'll add a little magnesium but you should be careful, because magnesium can cause loose bowels, so too much can do that.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: So anyways, don't mean to be PMI, but you know, I've heard a good combination of magnesium, vitamin C, ascorbic acid like supplement and potassium all together.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: This could be helpful.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Have y'all heard that before too?
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Like does magnesium pair well with other supplements.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: To like activate it better.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, I haven't heard of that trio specifically for like, specifically for sleep, or just activating magnesium.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: I think both Sleep, stress, I guess, and then body recovery.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like imagine some like training, you know, yeah, like work at intense workouts and training and running and doing all this stuff to be the supportive, a supportive supplement stack to help with all that stuff together nice.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's very cool but anyway.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: But um, I'm not taking that.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: I was for a little bit, but um.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: Do you take kyle?
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: yeah, good question.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: So I find myself I think I respond pretty well to creatine monohydrate.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about like for like working out.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: I would only take something if that's what I'm taking for that, for like, for exercise and supporting as much as I can, right, but creatine and then whey protein that has a branched chain of amino acids in that with leucine, isoleucine and valine.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Those are the main supportive ones for muscle growth.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: And then I was taking magnesium, potassium and ascorbic acid for a little bit, but I ended up stopping that.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: I don't think I really saw too huge of it, but maybe I didn't take it long enough.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but I didn't see anything crazy.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: And then there was a time I've gotten off a little bit more and I'll tell you why, but with turmeric extract powder with black pepper and then ginger.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Okay so, but turmeric man, Like, have you ever seen the extract powder?
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my gosh, it stains everything.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: And it doesn't get absorbed by like liquid, so you can't put it in your water and stir it up, it just still floats to the top.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so annoying.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so what I do is I just scoop it in dry over my sink to make sure I don't spill.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, um.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: You take curcumin dry, yeah, yeah whoa, it's like a little bit oh yeah and then I'll, yeah, and then a little bit of black pepper extract as well, throw that in dry, put some water in, switch around, swallow it, done and done.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: By the way, there was one morning it was like 5 am right, I'm like kind of groggy and waking up I'm getting everything ready, um, and I didn't know it, but like I guess when I was trying to put it in through a spoon right in my mouth, it's a little bit just drip, just trickled off and fell on the floor forever.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: I stepped on it and I was walking all over the kitchen, went to the bathroom, came back and I like saw these orange stains on the floor.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: I'm like Holy crap, like shoot, like your wife's going to kill you, yeah.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: And then my kids were waking up and it's like it's like a lot earlier than it's supposed to be, like five, 45.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: And I'm like shoot man, like a lot earlier than it's supposed to be, like 5, 45.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: And I'm like shoot man, like because it's the worst, like you can't wipe it up.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: You know like creatine's super easy to clean up.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: You know, yeah, like it just wipes up.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: You know, yeah, oh my gosh.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: So I like she was up with the baby or my ass was like I have to leave for work.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: I got a patient, I gotta leave.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry I'm leaving this with you I spilled turmeric and it's all over the freaking kitchen and it's into the bathroom and back up, I think you guys have a meeting about this.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: I'm going to do it right before I leave and then I'm going to have a meeting or a patient or something, so you have to clean it up.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, it's like you did that you timed that, yeah, exactly.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: I swear out of myself.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: I was like I can't believe.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: I I'm just super.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: I'm like a neat freak.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: You know, like I'm kind of ocd, I'm organized like things have to be.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: They just I feel like the less clutter, you know, I think more clearly.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I'm like a list guy.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: I'm like lists and like super organized yeah, okay, good, I'm not the weird one.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: No, you're not but um, but yeah.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: So, like you know, messes and stuff like that, I'm like it just adds things to the plate that I don't want to have to do, you know, because other things are more important.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: But anyway, I felt really bad so I put a pause on the turmeric and black pepper for now.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out when I have to.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: You could do a capsule of it, and they have black pepper in them.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Yes, I get the Costco ones, you know, or the qnol, you know.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: It's like turmeric, black pepper and ginger, but I'm like.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: But there's like, the capsules are like plastic.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: I don't want to eat those.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: What are your thoughts?
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on those?
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: That's one of my rationale.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: My rationale for getting the pure extract, eating it dry, is because I don't want to have more capsule, the actual capsule yeah, I know what you mean.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Most of the capsules are um are know, they're obviously not plastic.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: They're made out of.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Some of them are pork, some of them are vegetable.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so they degrade pretty easily.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: I do think about that, though, when we do protocols like how many, and that's why I enjoy mixing in powders, like I take my magnesium powder.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Most people take the capsule to get a higher dose.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: I would rather take three spoonfuls than nine capsules for sure.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: So I do think about that, especially if there's gut issues, but most of them in our stomach acid are pretty easy to break down.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, good to know.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: So if you're like, all right, let's say, somebody, a provider was like, we're going to get you on 15 different supplements.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: That's a lot.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: And there's a lot of capsules.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: So you're pretty confident that that wouldn't just with the processing involved, the process to develop the capsule.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Not all capsules are of the same nutraceutical grade and third-party tested products that you would at a company like Zymogen or Thorne, so I can't speak across the board for most of them, but most of the supplements that we use and give are easy on the digestive system.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: I'll have to investigate QAnon, then, because that's the one that seems to be the best.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Bang for your buck at Costco, you know, or the kirkland brand, I don't know kirkland's man.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: They're crushing it like costco is like yeah they're super smart um thorn was the magnesium um blend.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: I was the stack I was taking oh nice, yeah they're, they're a good product, they're good, yeah, yeah, and recently I've been.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: so the new creatine that I'm trying to get on is the German Korea Pure.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: If you all heard of that, it's supposed to be the purest type.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: I haven't really had an issue, I don't think, but a patient recommended it.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: I was like all right, see if it's different.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: But anyway, to answer your question, those are the supplements that I've been taking.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: I feel I usually creatine.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: I usually pretty react.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: I think I react pretty well to that, like I feel good you know.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what do y'all?
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: Do y'all take anything specific for yourselves?
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Because you were training pretty hard for that paddle last year.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: Don't crush my heart, Kyle.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: No, that was a hard.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, hard subject.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: That was tough.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: That's the source of.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: No, I'm just kidding, but let's okay, that was tough.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: That's the source of Okay.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: An individual will take yourself training very hard.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Were you taking anything?
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: That was not that long ago.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: A year ago.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: A year ago.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: I still train hard.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: It's just a different kind of training I do like.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: I like transparent.
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: So if we're talking recovery activity, I have a pre-workout that I take from Transparent Labs.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: Talking recovery activity, I have a pre-workout that I take from transparent labs, um, and then I take their same creatine uh supplement after after working out.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: I also like the perfect aminos, um.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: It just helps get a little more protein in me.
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: It's really hard for me to get 120 grams.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: It's kind of where I try to try to live it is.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: It is hard.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, getting up protein is hard most people think, oh yeah, I get enough and they're getting, you know, 60 grams and you know that might be okay for some people, but if you're really like hitting the pavement hard with lifting hit I mean.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: Most of the time people are over exercising and I don't think their caloric intake, from a protein standpoint, is really.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Supporting enough.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, I got you.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about peptides.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, so I recently found heard that the BPC-157 is illegal now in the FDA.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Did you ever hear that?
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: Doesn't surprise me.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: But just with like, and that's where that's where the skepticism and cynicism comes in on my end of like why?
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: If it's, it's, who knows.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: But I'm like I wonder if the, if it's really effective and helping people recover and do really well.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: If, like other large business entities that are like no, no, no, no, like people are getting too healthy, we, we need to like stop this so they're more on our drugs consistently.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: Anyway, that's just my conspiracy on that.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, they've done this a bunch with the GLP ones too, that we know are effective.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: There's a whole conversation as to whether you know you recommend them or not, but we know that they're effective at reducing weight and, um, you know, helping with some other biomarkers like blood sugar and stuff.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: But they keep taking it back on and off and we know it's effective, we know there's very few side effects and it still keeps happening.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: So I haven't heard that with the BPC-157.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: I've seen a ton of benefit in patients that take it and it would be a great combo with what you do as well, both for gut and recovery.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Post-surgery we use it.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: So you all incorporate that a lot to practice.
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: We do, and BPC is one of the peptides that is available through the gut.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: So not all peptides can you ingest orally.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: A lot of them have to be subcutaneous.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: BPC is one that is highly bioavailable through the gut.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: Incredible for the gut.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: I actually have found that people that are taking it.
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: It helps regulate that appetite control because it's actually healing the gut.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: A lot of times those cravings is because you have an overabundance of yeast or parasites.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: Not that BPC is addressing parasites to my knowledge, but I do know that a lot of gut dysbiosis is what drives overeating.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the cravings.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: So parasites play a role.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Yeast dysregulation plays a role.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Dysbiosis in general, so not just yeast overgrowth of any bacteria, correct?
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: Correct, all right.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: So BPC is a great peptide, so you recommend that orally, not injected.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: I take it every day orally.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay, inject.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, it's not illegal orally.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Subcutaneous, I think, is where the FDA hasn't approved it or has disrobed.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: Well, not approving and illegal.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: They made it.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: The FDA cleared it to be not approved.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: Oh for subcutaneous use my understanding.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but orally it's still okay it is showing incredible promise subcutaneously around a joint.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: That's what I've been hearing Knee pain, hip pain, back pain injected at the site.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: That's what's been, from my understanding, not clear, but disproved by the FDA Like no, no, no, Y'all can't do this anymore.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: That's a shame.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: That's a bummer.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Anyway, I'm like why?
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: It is something that you could learn because you do the dry needling right, and so I think what dry needling is doing is something very similarly to what like prolazone or BPC is actually trying to do.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: I think it would be a great adjunct.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: We need a lot.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, what other peptides do you all find yourselves prescribing?
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: So another one that I really like that's viable orally is TB4.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: Frag really great regulator of our TH1 immune system, and so a lot of times you need upregulation of that TH1 and a downregulation, something called th2 that's.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: That's a very rudimentary way of understanding the immune system.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: Um th1 and th2.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: What's educate people, what that is you want to take that on?
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: no, you go ahead well no, I don't okay so my very limited understanding because the immune system is a complex thing is that a lot of times when we see a dysregulated immune system is we have a very dominant th1 th2 presence, okay, in a very helper cells, right?
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: is that what you're saying?
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: sure, yes, yes part of that th1, th2, uh, th17 regulator cells.
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: So you want to support th1 and you want to downregulate Th2.
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: Okay, and TB4 frag can help upregulate Th1.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: Okay, it's one agent that can be done, and so I've seen it really helpful in patients who have autoimmunity issues, especially autoimmune thyroiditis, hashimoto's, and so that's one that I've utilized as well orally.
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: There are new peptides coming out all the time, a couple that we're really liking for.
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: Other immune support is something called KPV, what's?
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: time is an alpha is another one for immunity.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: Kpv is a little more to like that mass cell activation which when we talk about chronic disease, that can happen in any kind of chronic disease where they just are very inflamed, everything they have is very inflamed, whereas thymosin alpha is a little more general.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: Immunity works with EBV kind of those chronic conditions.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: The one I think is Dee and I were talking the other day about a couple.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: Motc isn't utilized a lot but it's one that we're both like.
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: I'll try that when it comes out, they call it workout in a bottle.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: What's that one?
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: So it's like workout in a bottle.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: It's called MOTC and it's supposed to help maintain muscle function and metabolism.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: So totally different route than the GLP-1s.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: Like, I just think that there's going to be so much more coming out that the GLP-1s are going to be old news, and especially for people that do work out and eat.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: Well, it's the big thing they're seeing with GLP-1s is there's just a massive muscle loss with them too.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: And I don't know if you've noticed that with your patients, but we see a decrease in muscle mass before we see it in fat mass, Um, and then they get comfortable with that.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: So they kind of just keep going down that I'm eating the same things, just less of it, Whereas MOTC is thought to just enhance your workout.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: So they call it workout in a bottle, and it does help with insulin regulation as well, which I like again in these hormonal and perimenopause stages.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: Or you work a lot with ipsomoralin or growth hormone saccharoges.
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: Tessamoralin, samoralin, Ipamoralin is not readily available.
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: I don't think anymore.
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: But yeah, if you're really looking to help aid recovery.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: It's acting on the pituitary gland to release growth hormone, so it's not actually giving growth hormone, it's stimulating the pituitary to really do it naturally.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got you because I know people have like their questions and concerns.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: There's like what am I going to be in this forever?
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: Then I'm going to dysregulate my hormones hormonal system to then like have to be, you know, dependent on this stuff.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: But what you were saying, my understanding is that peptides it stimulates the endogenous organs to do it themselves.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: Correct.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: And we do cycle them.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: Like I don't ever say stay on this indefinitely.
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: Like you either cycle it a few days a week and then you take a few weeks off, or if you're doing them like six days a week, then if you're doing it a couple months, you take a month off.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, you do you do cycle them, they're gonna work better that way, yeah, yeah, yeah, I got you.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: There's a copper peptide that's supposed to um reduce wrinkles, and I don't know about this yeah, skin health and hair growth, that's a big one.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: Well, not on me on that one.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's, what's that one called?
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: it's just, it's G-H-K-U, it's copper peptide.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, always writing that one down, you don't have Wrangles, do you yeah?
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: No, yeah.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: It's for a friend.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's cool.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: Well, that's interesting.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on semaglutide and terzipatide?
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, those are the GLP ones.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: I personally think that there's a space for them.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: I think that it's helped a lot of people get the motivation to improve their life, so they see the benefits and then they buy into it.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: And the momentum rules and the momentum rules and they, in the meantime, are realizing oh, I've had, I have less knee pain, or my back is hurting a little bit less, or I can, I can now exercise more.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: At the beginning, I felt like it was just used as a crutch a lot.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: So it it again what Dr D was saying earlier about who are you working with it.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: Are they focusing on the fact that it slows your motility?
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: So is someone working on you about making sure that you're still having bowel movements?
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: Because think about the long-term repercussions if we're slowing our gut motility, if they're not telling you to do resistance exercise at the same time.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: And you're losing weight, but like 80% of it I think they found that 80% was muscle mass if you weren't doing enough resistance exercise with it or consuming enough protein, which would then make it so maybe all you're eating is almost protein, right, because how are you going to get enough if your appetite's way down?
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: So I see a ton of negative effects from it and things that you need to work on.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: So trust who you're working with it, because there are a lot of things that you can just order it online now and be sent on your own and you don't know about any of these things and the metabolic effects long term interesting.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: If you want to go off of it, your metabolism is just shot because now you have way less muscle and you're primed and ready to store all that, what that you just lost.
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the body doesn't like to be in a state of caloric restriction, and so it's constantly.
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: I mean you take away that, that GLP, and then those signals are just going to come right back.
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: So you're going to.
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: It's just kind of like crash dieting, right, Like you can only calorically restrict for so long and then your hormones are going to start saying like feed me me feed, me feed me right, and so as soon as you take that away and you start eating normally again, you're going to store all that, and so it really does wreak havoc on the metabolism.
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: I I'm I'm with joey.
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: I think it has a space, I think it needs to.
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: I think like least effective dose, like lowest effective dose, um, and and really being mindful of the other habits while you're doing it.
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: I think it's the most, the most important Um it it also it has, like I'm seeing it really help with other things, like alcohol dependency, um, so it's helped people who were like constantly like thinking about alcohol or using that as another crutch, like they've been able to get off, like stop drinking, essentially, which.
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: I think is wild right they just like that, just so.
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: There are some really other great benefits, if you're not talking about muscle loss and things like that.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: And you and you know part of the best thing and the hardest thing about functional medicine is we rely so much on you as a patient.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: You have to meet us somewhere or we can only get so far, but there are patients that will only go so far.
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: And so if you know that and you know weight, weight reduction, no matter what is going to help all of their blood pressure, and you know their inflammation and their blood, then you know it is a tool that can be used for that purpose as well.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, interesting Last thing to bring up.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: You talk about stress and anxiety, right, and like the psychology component of the mind body connection.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: Do y'all, what route do you guys go with educating patients on that?
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: Like, how do you dance around that component?
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: so I think we we use a combination, so we we do have the opportunity to spend a lot more time with our patients so we do have the conversations and because we spend so much time with them, a lot comes out in our visits.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: So we're a lot more than if you're in a five to 10 minute session, right.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: So we, it comes out, people want to talk, they want to share and and you know that's part of our process.
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: So getting them to talk, um, and meeting them and figuring out where their sources of stress might be and we do utilize tests too to to verify it as well.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: Right, so we will check their, their cortisol to make sure, because some people think that they're so used to a high baseline level of stress.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: They're like my stress is pretty good right now, but like just being around them you can feel the tension and the stress.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: So it's kind of peeling back the layers and and and you know, saying like you know how much downtime do you have a day?
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: What is your sleep Like?
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: Are you waking up?
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: So a lot of it is our interview process.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, cause I very similar, you know, um, cause I'm not a psychologist by any means.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: Right, it's a hot.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: I think it's just interesting stuff.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean About like to not leave any stones unturned and like all the golden BBs that add to the scale, Like when we can't neglect that stress and anxiety, like the psychological component of pain is a huge contributing factor.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: Right, that's what he's really suggest.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: Like the psychological component can't be not addressed, like we had to consider that and we can't separate the mind from the body, no matter what we do.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: But it's interesting like there's a lot more studies that are being exposed.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: I think that aren't new.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: I feel like like the immune um, I forget who the guy, I just I just looked up a bunch of this, this guy's studies but, um, the connection with immune dysregulation, dysfunction and then the psychological stress, anxiety component yeah and how people are a lot more prone to getting sick if they have higher stress levels yeah
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: and then cortisol would be like one of the main things to identify that in a blood test.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, um, if y'all are familiar with, uh, dr lisa feldman I think her name fieldman um, she's like a world-renowned neuroscientist, psychologist really interesting.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: I was listening to a podcast of her and she just dropped like a two-minute segment on pain science and I was like whoa, I had to rewind it and I wrote it down anyway.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: She was just describing how, like, um, the everything is is interpreted from the brain, right, and it's like in a black box that only just receives signals, it just that's it.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: It has no other understanding other than what it's learned previously.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: So it attaches current signaling to previously understood experiences and it associates that together, right.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: So I was like, oh, that makes total sense.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: So, anyway, she was dropping bombs as in like, really, trauma and pain right now is sensory present with learned past.
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: So like a learned past with sensory present.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: Interesting so, yeah, right.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: So like it triggers certain reactions based on our previous experiences when, even though and from a pain science standpoint, even if there's not actual tissue damage happening, there can still be a pain cycle that's being experienced, right oh, yeah.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: Right, I'm like so anyway, how do you teach somebody?
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: Educate?
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: We just, we try to be super delicate and like, depending on their micro expressions in their face and like what they're reacting, right then in the conversation I'll like change directions.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean yeah but I'm sure you guys have.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: You have a conversation like that too, I'd assume, with y'all patients, right, right.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: Well, to Joey's point, that is a delicate area and it really does require having a rapport with the patient and establishing trust, Because when you really start to get into some of the things that have caused them deep pain in their past, I mean it needs to be tended to lightly and with care and love and and we really can't just look at the our patients as a physical entity you know testing and blood tests and things of that nature it's, it's all very telling.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: But the patient's story we cannot forget that and the experience that they've had to lead them to why they're sitting in front of us at any given day.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: And I've had multiple encounters with patients where they came with a physical complaint and you give them enough time and you give them enough space to talk and you listen, you be quiet, dr D, you don't say anything, you really do.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: Then get you're like Dr D, you don't say anything, you really do.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: Then get you're like oh, this is a matter of the heart, this is an old wound or this is a really deep wound, and so actually you are having a physical manifestation of that pain.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: But this is really psychological pain, this is a heart pain, and so we're not therapists.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: But I do think a lot of what we do is t then we have a network of providers that we trust.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: Who then?
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: That is really where they're kind.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: I have multiple licensed therapists that I lean on, depending upon kind of who I think would be a good fit for that patient.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: There's also a brilliant guy, mike Cohen, who that's all he does is brain work and he really takes complex issues like PTSD and chronic depression and chronic pain and he has his own way of doing brain mapping and then helping support that.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: And so you know we're never of the mind that we have all the tools, but we do hope to then guide our patients into like who else can be on your team to really help support you in this area?
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, have you heard of the book when, when the body says no.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: I have heard of the book.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: I have not read it.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: So it's, it's remarkable, so much what you're saying it's.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: It was a cardiologist, that his patients weren't getting better.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: And, yes, he was fixing them temporarily and and and he wasn't, they just weren't getting better and he went deeper, like most of us that go towards, you know, integrative that's.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: There's something that drove us there.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: So for him he just kept finding patterns and he could correlate certain conditions with past life events and so he noticed, you know, say, patients with multiple sclerosis all had like a similar, you know, situation in their marriage, potentially, or these similar patterns in life that caused different conditions.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: And you know, whether you, whether you fully buy into that or not, just the relation that there are these life events and there are these mind body connections that we know set off a cascade of other events.
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  Speaker 2: So, yeah, I agree with Dr D, it's something that they have to trust you and you have to give them the space and sometimes the space is just not talking.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: I have heard of that book in that doc.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a somebody brought it up to me where they were like this person I think it's the same person correlates.
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  Speaker 1: Everything ailment-wise now can be linked back to some kind of childhood trauma or something.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but anyway of course not everyone is going to some kind of childhood trauma or something.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but anyway, of course not everyone's going to.
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  Speaker 1: You know, buy into that.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm like I mean, it's been proven that psychological environment, like environments and stress and anxiety can manifest physical symptoms.
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  Speaker 1: Like that's been proven fact.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it can.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, which is just interesting, like, but anyway, I think, just from a full comprehensive approach like that, it's not to be not addressed in some fashion.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean, but anyway, that was my favorite part of practicing medicine, if I'm being really honest.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Because I'm sure Joey agrees like we're not going to heal you, like the patient is going to heal themselves, we're just going to be a guide.
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  Speaker 3: Like the patient is the hero of the story, they have everything they need within them to get better.
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  Speaker 3: Sure they'll lean on us and we're going to be their advocate and champion and coach, collaborator, friend, whatever but, like, at the end of the day, like they can, they're going to heal themselves through self-discovery, through their willingness to like actually address matters of the heart and their mind and their body.
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  Speaker 3: And so I think that's the most rewarding is those kind of encounters when they kind of have that kind of revelatory break, breakthrough, like, oh, I'm not crazy, like there is a reason why I feel what I feel.
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  Speaker 2: It's like yes, yes, yeah, totally yeah, I feel better just unfolding that yeah, yeah, that's cool.
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  Speaker 1: So you mentioned, a great way for people to like get exposed to you guys and need help would be you have tests that y'all do right online like the people.
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  Speaker 1: They don't have to be members to like come in and get tests and stuff Right.
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  Speaker 1: What's the best way for people to reach out to you guys?
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  Speaker 2: So I would say, obviously you can call.
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  Speaker 2: I'm happy to do any kind of consultation, if um over the phone.
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  Speaker 2: If you have questions in terms of guiding testing or if you want to do consult um, you can come to our office and do a tour and, you know, get to meet some of the practitioners.
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  Speaker 2: Or you can go to our website at wellnessfirstjunobeachcom.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, gotcha.
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  Speaker 1: And then also real quick, how.
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  Speaker 1: What would you describe to be like your wheelhouse, where it's like if this is you, we, this, this is our, this is where we roll up our sleeves Like, this is what we do.
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  Speaker 3: You're frustrated with the conventional approach to chronic disease and illness and you are looking for better answers.
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  Speaker 3: You don't feel good.
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  Speaker 3: You're told multiple times that nothing is wrong, all your labs look good.
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  Speaker 3: Come to us, we will listen and we will do our very best for you, and if we don't know, we will put all of our heads together and find a solution or or refer you right.
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  Speaker 3: Like I I I am not of the mind that I am the doctor for everyone, right, I don't think any of us feel that way, but we are up for the challenge and we do think outside the box and we do lead on pioneers in functional medicine, integrative medicine that are doing really cool stuff, and so I think we are absolutely all committed to constantly learning and kind of molding our approach to that to teach patient Cool.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And to add to that, I would say also to the patient that wants to stay healthy, like so, someone that's just like really eager to you know am I what I, what I'm, my protocol is it correct, is it benefiting me?
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  Speaker 2: Because we do know, like you were talking about earlier epigenetics, we know so much now and we can really see am I, am I going down the right path?
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  Speaker 2: I want to stay this way, I want to feel great forever.
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  Speaker 1: Cool, that's awesome.
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