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- 0:10Speaker 1: What's up, everybody. Welcome to JFK Book Reviews, a division
- 0:14Speaker 1: of the Lone Gunman Podcast. I am the trip will
- 0:19Speaker 1: be big bad vib if I can point to the
- 0:26Speaker 1: correct signage here on the right side of me. Sorry,
- 0:30Speaker 1: it always gets me. Everything's reversed. But today on the show,
- 0:36Speaker 1: and you'll see it's just me. The patron Saint of
- 0:38Speaker 1: Skafuzas is a little busy this week. He's tied up.
- 0:43Speaker 1: He's a very busy man. So I figured I would
- 0:46Speaker 1: alleviate some of the burden and just do this one myself,
- 0:51Speaker 1: because Joe doesn't have this book anyway, And this book
- 0:56Speaker 1: happens to be relevant to something that we're talking tout
- 1:00Speaker 1: on the show currently, which is Oswald in Mexico City.
- 1:04Speaker 1: The book is Passport to Assassination, the never before told
- 1:10Speaker 1: story of Lee Harvey Oswald by the KGB colonel who
- 1:14Speaker 1: knew him, Colonel Olegg Maximovich.
- 1:20Speaker 2: Netcha Paranco, thank you, thank you. Yes, she's a little thick.
- 1:28Speaker 2: She's a little on the thick side. It's a beautiful book.
- 1:32Speaker 1: I got my copy at they used the bookstore for
- 1:36Speaker 1: seven ninety five. I believe it's available on Amazon right now.
- 1:44Speaker 1: Via the link in the description. I think you can
- 1:49Speaker 1: get it for like twenty one bucks, twenty one ninety five,
- 1:52Speaker 1: and there's probably probably some cheaper used ones, yeah, eight bucks,
- 1:57Speaker 1: stuff like that. So you know, if you'd like the review,
- 2:04Speaker 1: check it out, and if you don't, check it out.
- 2:09Speaker 1: There's always a valuable of there's always a value to
- 2:13Speaker 1: any book written, whether it can be whether it can
- 2:18Speaker 1: add you know, to your knowledge base about the assassination,
- 2:25Speaker 1: or whether it can leads you in a direction. Excuse
- 2:27Speaker 1: me to understand that what they're talking about is total
- 2:34Speaker 1: and complete and other horseship. But within every book, I
- 2:41Speaker 1: think there's and I would like to say, at least
- 2:46Speaker 1: I would like to think that there's a kernel of
- 2:48Speaker 1: truth in there somewhere pun intended. Colonel Oleg Maximovich Netcha Paranco.
- 2:57Speaker 1: You may be saying, who the hell is current Olegg
- 3:00Speaker 1: Maximovich Netza Parentco. Well, I'll tell you he was a
- 3:07Speaker 1: colonel in the KGB for many, many years until he retired.
- 3:16Speaker 1: I believe he was in nineteen ninety at the mandatory
- 3:19Speaker 1: retirement age of sixty sixty years old, and he just
- 3:27Speaker 1: happened to be posted up at the Russian Soviet consulate
- 3:35Speaker 1: in Mexico City in nineteen sixty three, in September, when
- 3:45Speaker 1: Oswald allegedly visited olegg Netcha Parentko was there with what's
- 3:58Speaker 1: that guy's name, Vladimir cost The calls the guy who
- 4:03Speaker 1: was supposedly in charge of the department thirteen, right, you know,
- 4:10Speaker 1: the assassination squad of the KGB. But this dude was cool. Man.
- 4:18Speaker 1: This is him in nineteen sixty three, very cool looking glasses.
- 4:25Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what's going on there, but
- 4:28Speaker 1: that's what he looked like in Mexico in nineteen sixty three.
- 4:33Speaker 1: All the Soviets that worked there actually looked Latino. It's crazy.
- 4:39Speaker 1: This is what he actually looked like a little later
- 4:43Speaker 1: on in life, you know, he let his mustache grow
- 4:50Speaker 1: in a little bit, made it a little looking a
- 4:52Speaker 1: little bit more Russian, you know, a little bit more Russian.
- 4:56Speaker 1: But this book published in January of nineteen and ninety three,
- 5:07Speaker 1: and I believe it's only been published once by birch
- 5:09Speaker 1: Lane Press, so there's only one edition. He did have
- 5:20Speaker 1: a translator help him with the book. The translator's name
- 5:25Speaker 1: is Todd Bludeau, no relation to Paul below. But yes,
- 5:37Speaker 1: the book clocks in at three hundred and thirty eight pages.
- 5:41Speaker 1: It is written in English, you know, just in case
- 5:44Speaker 1: you were wondering. It does have an intro section, thirteen chapters,
- 5:50Speaker 1: an epilogue, a couple of appendices, including a memorandum to
- 5:54Speaker 1: the Central Committee of the Communist Party and a ballistics report,
- 6:00Speaker 1: a bibliography and an index. So it is a well
- 6:05Speaker 1: written book. And like I showed you, there's a nice
- 6:08Speaker 1: picture section in the middle that shows a lot of
- 6:15Speaker 1: that your prank net parentco's life all throughout. I mean,
- 6:23Speaker 1: you know, this is like right out of a James
- 6:24Speaker 1: Bond movie. You know, he's like skiing in a mink
- 6:28Speaker 1: coat with an m P five, you know, assault rifle
- 6:31Speaker 1: in his older age, as most Russians do. I mean,
- 6:36Speaker 1: you can't make the shut up. The book definitely has ah.
- 6:50Speaker 1: It kind of sees all back and forth between a
- 6:52Speaker 1: conspiratorial lean and a official story of the KGB league. Right,
- 7:06Speaker 1: they have.
- 7:06Speaker 3: No no, no faith in the American system, but he
- 7:13Speaker 3: relies heavily on his own country and his own companies.
- 7:20Speaker 1: Files. You know, this book was written, you know, after
- 7:24Speaker 1: he was made to retire, right around the time of
- 7:28Speaker 1: the fall of the Soviet Union and the end of
- 7:31Speaker 1: the KGB as we knew it, And he was able
- 7:37Speaker 1: to get his hands on a lot of files KGB files,
- 7:44Speaker 1: and you know, he takes you kind of through a
- 7:54Speaker 1: little bit of Oswald in Moscow and some of Oswold's
- 8:01Speaker 1: exploits and and kind of goes through and and and
- 8:05Speaker 1: according to him, allegedly, the government really didn't know what
- 8:11Speaker 1: to do with Oswald. They didn't want to make a
- 8:13Speaker 1: big incident out of him. They didn't really deem him
- 8:16Speaker 1: to be anybody useful to them, you know, despite his proclamations. Uh,
- 8:27Speaker 1: you know, they did interview him, they did talk to him,
- 8:30Speaker 1: and they you know, they deemed him, you know, really
- 8:35Speaker 1: a non sequitor, if you will. And then the book
- 8:39Speaker 1: kind of goes into his life with Marina and in Minsk,
- 8:43Speaker 1: and his work at the radio factory and his he
- 8:48Speaker 1: was kind of getting into some things in Minsk, which
- 8:51Speaker 1: is interesting something I didn't know, but uh is it?
- 9:00Speaker 1: Soviet counter intelligence discovered that Oswald had built two bombs
- 9:05Speaker 1: in his apartment while living in Minsk. Didn't know that,
- 9:11Speaker 1: so Oswald the bomb maker. Apparently, he gives a full
- 9:20Speaker 1: story behind Oswald's attempt to commit suicide shortly after his
- 9:24Speaker 1: arrival in Moscow. They knew right away that this was
- 9:31Speaker 1: not a real attempt, but again they didn't want to
- 9:34Speaker 1: create a national incident over it, and they figured, you know, okay,
- 9:38Speaker 1: you know, this guy says he's he wants to become
- 9:43Speaker 1: a citizen, you know, so you know, we'll put his
- 9:46Speaker 1: ask to work. And that's exactly what they did, he said.
- 9:57Speaker 1: The Central Committee of the Communist Party the ECP right
- 10:06Speaker 1: insisted that Oswald be kept in the Soviet Union for observation.
- 10:10Speaker 1: They wanted to see what this guy was going to
- 10:12Speaker 1: try to do, which is another reason they put him
- 10:17Speaker 1: in Minsk, which is another reason possibly that Marina was
- 10:24Speaker 1: attached to him. Now, what Netchapranco does say in this
- 10:29Speaker 1: book is that, at least from the KGB perspective, Marina
- 10:34Speaker 1: was not one of their operatives, although again her uncle
- 10:41Speaker 1: was with the v and this the CCP also was
- 10:52Speaker 1: running honeypot operations and agents as well, swallows if you will,
- 10:58Speaker 1: and she could have been for one of them, which
- 11:01Speaker 1: does make sense in the context of Marina meeting three
- 11:06Speaker 1: American defectors, having relations with two of them, and marrying
- 11:16Speaker 1: one of them. So yeah, you know that that kind
- 11:22Speaker 1: of thing just doesn't happen by accident in a country
- 11:25Speaker 1: as big as a Soviet Union. So yeah, you got
- 11:30Speaker 1: to feel that there was some kind of motivation for
- 11:32Speaker 1: Marina to be introduced in some way to these American
- 11:39Speaker 1: defectors and to get close to them. Now, the book
- 11:45Speaker 1: also takes you through the story of when he was
- 11:52Speaker 1: in the Russian consulate in Cuba and he exclaimed, it's
- 11:59Speaker 1: all going to end tragedy, and he pulled his pistol
- 12:02Speaker 1: out and threatened to kill himself, and this, that and
- 12:06Speaker 1: the other. Remember allegedly oldign At Chirpranco was there when
- 12:12Speaker 1: this happened. And he goes into how the Kennedy assassination
- 12:17Speaker 1: could have been averted if only Marina Oswald's uncle had
- 12:22Speaker 1: agreed to allow the Oswald family to move in with
- 12:25Speaker 1: them upon their return to Russia. So what this means
- 12:29Speaker 1: is on the last show, we were talking about how
- 12:33Speaker 1: Marina and then eventually Lee as well, started writing letters
- 12:38Speaker 1: to the or to the Russian Embassy in Washington, d C.
- 12:41Speaker 1: Requesting to go back to Russia. They gave Marina a
- 12:47Speaker 1: series of hoops to jump through, and one of the
- 12:50Speaker 1: hoops was for her to provide a relative that would
- 12:57Speaker 1: let her and her family live with them and where
- 13:01Speaker 1: this was. Apparently she wrote down her uncle and his family,
- 13:10Speaker 1: and I guess the Russians check with them and the
- 13:14Speaker 1: guy was like, no, then I living with me, and
- 13:21Speaker 1: her application was denied at that point until she could
- 13:28Speaker 1: provide another relative who would let her and her family
- 13:34Speaker 1: live with them and where it was going to be.
- 13:38Speaker 1: So when we were talking about the narrative of the timeline,
- 13:42Speaker 1: narrative of the letters to the Russian embassy in Washington,
- 13:45Speaker 1: DC that starts in February of sixty three, goes through
- 13:50Speaker 1: March and April, May, June, July, and July is kind
- 13:54Speaker 1: of where it stops, at least officially that we know of.
- 14:00Speaker 1: I haven't found any of the letters after that that
- 14:04Speaker 1: basically say that her uncle denied anything. But it's possible
- 14:11Speaker 1: that these were sent but not intercepted, not published by
- 14:15Speaker 1: the Warrant Commission. Who knows. But it's very interesting preposition
- 14:20Speaker 1: that if her uncle would have only said yes, that
- 14:25Speaker 1: this whole assassination business could have been inverted, Kennedy could
- 14:29Speaker 1: have lived, and history could have been different. But again,
- 14:36Speaker 1: who knows what is really the case. Here also that
- 14:40Speaker 1: a high ranking KGB defector during Nasenko who claimed he
- 14:45Speaker 1: had special information about Oswald, was kept in solitary confinement
- 14:49Speaker 1: for this by the CIA for over three years. As
- 14:52Speaker 1: a result, he never testified before the Warrant Commission. Also
- 14:59Speaker 1: the all his own brilliant analysis based on his knowledge
- 15:02Speaker 1: of Oswald's life, his stay in the Soviet Union, and
- 15:06Speaker 1: the testimony of Russian government ballistics and forensics experts as
- 15:09Speaker 1: to whether Oswald was a lone assassin or part of
- 15:12Speaker 1: a conspiracy. And finally the answer to the question was
- 15:17Speaker 1: the Soviet Union involved in the assassination of President Kennedy. Again,
- 15:23Speaker 1: this guy, oleg Net Gaparanco, was a colonel and the
- 15:27Speaker 1: first chief director of the KGB. In the years following
- 15:31Speaker 1: his secret meeting with Oswald, he was dispatched on special
- 15:35Speaker 1: missions for the KGB throughout South and Central America and Vietnam.
- 15:40Speaker 1: From nineteen eighty five, he taught to Soviet Intelligence Orders
- 15:43Speaker 1: College the and Dropov Institute, and retired with distinction in
- 15:49Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one. He resides in Moscow, where he writes
- 15:53Speaker 1: about spying in the world's second oldest profession. Yes, we
- 15:59Speaker 1: all know what the first one is for sure that
- 16:03Speaker 1: would be hard hooking, pimping. It ain't easy, but it's
- 16:12Speaker 1: never meant to be. And this book is not an
- 16:16Speaker 1: easy read. Lost in translation sometimes from here and there.
- 16:30Speaker 1: Another problem is we don't get to see all of
- 16:34Speaker 1: the documents that he does talk about in here, that
- 16:37Speaker 1: you know allegedly from the kg B. There is one
- 16:47Speaker 1: main one that he does talk about, and it's more
- 16:52Speaker 1: of a like a ballistic ballistics breakdown. Uh, if you will,
- 17:05Speaker 1: trying to see if I can find it. Oh, yeah,
- 17:11Speaker 1: here it is. So this is the one document that
- 17:15Speaker 1: he prints in his book, and it's a memory in
- 17:18Speaker 1: him to the cc CP or the Central Committee of
- 17:21Speaker 1: the Communist Party. And it's basically just a biography of
- 17:27Speaker 1: Lee Harvey Oswald, and it's kind of funny the way
- 17:36Speaker 1: they talk about him. Born in nineteen thirty nine, a
- 17:40Speaker 1: graduate of Radio electronics school, arrived in the USSR on
- 17:44Speaker 1: October fifteenth of this year. Upon his arrival in Moscow,
- 17:49Speaker 1: Oswald submitted a petition for Soviet citizenship. YadA, YadA, YadA.
- 17:57Speaker 1: And they had given they had given Sobean's Soviet citizenship
- 18:01Speaker 1: to a couple of foreigners before this, he says, and
- 18:06Speaker 1: they name them here, but they ended up leaving after
- 18:10Speaker 1: a while because it sucked, right. And this was drafted
- 18:19Speaker 1: November twenty seventh, nineteen fifty nine by Andre Grimico. The
- 18:26Speaker 1: Minister of Foreign Affairs USSR, Chairman of Communtee for State
- 18:31Speaker 1: Security was Andrea Slappin. So again it's interesting he relied
- 18:45Speaker 1: a little bit working with other JFK assassination researchers such
- 18:50Speaker 1: as Jim Mars David Lifton in kind of doing his
- 18:54Speaker 1: own ballistics report from Afar if he well, I don't
- 19:01Speaker 1: know how that all works, but I guess they did.
- 19:06Speaker 1: They made their conclusions based on the available evidence, trajectory
- 19:11Speaker 1: type things, analysis, all that good stuff. Now, when I
- 19:21Speaker 1: went to purchase this book, I went to the youth
- 19:24Speaker 1: bookstore and they must have had thirty copies of this
- 19:30Speaker 1: book stacked on the floor, you know, chin high. And
- 19:37Speaker 1: I was like, damn, they must have gotten stumbled upon
- 19:42Speaker 1: the mother liter on that. But you know, ah, I'm
- 19:50Speaker 1: gonna have to say I did enjoy this book. It's different.
- 19:57Speaker 1: It's a different perspective from the Soviet Union perspective. The
- 20:05Speaker 1: main question I have is can we trust this book?
- 20:10Speaker 1: Can we trust a cag be driven narrative. Now, I know,
- 20:15Speaker 1: by the time the guy wrote the book, he retired
- 20:18Speaker 1: from the kz B, the Soviet Union had fallen. But again,
- 20:26Speaker 1: just like we talk about people here with the CIA
- 20:28Speaker 1: that are supposedly retiring, like you know, their allegiance doesn't
- 20:32Speaker 1: just stop. You know, once you're CIA, you're always CIA
- 20:36Speaker 1: pretty much. So how much of this book can we
- 20:39Speaker 1: actually trust because our government never had the narrative of
- 20:47Speaker 1: Lee Harvey Aswold's breakdown in the Russian in the Russian
- 20:50Speaker 1: Embassy in Mexico City. They never knew about it basically
- 20:57Speaker 1: until this book was written in the nineties, which is crazy.
- 21:03Speaker 1: And you know, he talks about them watching on TV
- 21:08Speaker 1: and seeing pictures of Oswald as a shooter and them realizing,
- 21:12Speaker 1: oh my god, we had this guy. This is that
- 21:15Speaker 1: crazy gringo that came in here a couple of months
- 21:18Speaker 1: ago and started waving his pistol around and started crying
- 21:21Speaker 1: and shit, that's the guy he just killed Kennedy. And
- 21:26Speaker 1: at that point, you know, they kind of realized that,
- 21:29Speaker 1: you know, him visiting the Russian embassy in Mexico City
- 21:35Speaker 1: probably wasn't a good look. And they realized, you know
- 21:39Speaker 1: that this could be a bigger intelligence cat and mouse
- 21:43Speaker 1: type of game set up if you will, to blame
- 21:47Speaker 1: the Soviets for the assassination. So it certainly is an
- 21:51Speaker 1: intriguing perspective to read from. And you know, for no
- 21:56Speaker 1: more than this thing costs, you know, I would recommend
- 22:01Speaker 1: it for sure. Again, that's Passport to assassination and never
- 22:09Speaker 1: beforetold story of Lee Harvey Oswald by the KGB colonel
- 22:12Speaker 1: who knew him only Mitchell Perenko is a very good
- 22:16Speaker 1: looking book. I love the title to cover even has
- 22:22Speaker 1: a little picture of Oswalt and some redacted person right chilling,
- 22:28Speaker 1: you know, picture I've never seen before, probably in Russia.
- 22:33Speaker 1: You know, it's pretty cool, pretty cool book. I don't
- 22:36Speaker 1: think this guy did anything else. And I'll show you
- 22:44Speaker 1: something here in a second, But first I'll give you
- 22:46Speaker 1: my rating to this book for what it is, you know,
- 22:52Speaker 1: and what it was and all that, and and the
- 22:56Speaker 1: fact that I just don't know how much we can
- 22:59Speaker 1: trust active from this book. I just don't know. I'm
- 23:03Speaker 1: going to give this book because it is out of
- 23:08Speaker 1: the norm and it's different, but it's not perfect by
- 23:14Speaker 1: any means. I'm going to give this book and eight
- 23:20Speaker 1: Guns up. Yes, eight guns up. So now let me
- 23:30Speaker 1: share something with you real quick before we go, let
- 23:34Speaker 1: me share my screen. I just thought that this was
- 23:40Speaker 1: interesting because I found a document about old old like Natchipranco. Right,
- 23:48Speaker 1: And this was released in twenty twenty three for the
- 23:51Speaker 1: JFK Records Act. And this is a CIA memo secret internal.
- 23:58Speaker 1: I mean, look at look at everywhere that this thing
- 24:01Speaker 1: is is put out to. I mean there's a lot,
- 24:11Speaker 1: a lot and it's dated November ninety three secret and
- 24:20Speaker 1: parts of this is still redacted. And why I don't know.
- 24:25Speaker 1: The subject is old Netcha Paranco action requested traces on subject.
- 24:31Speaker 1: They want to know all about this motherfucker right summary.
- 24:35Speaker 1: On November eighteenth, n Q Piggin provided following information on
- 24:41Speaker 1: retired KGB Colonel Olige Netcha Paranco of Lee Harvey Osweald fame,
- 24:48Speaker 1: who was in the US to promote his book Passport
- 24:51Speaker 1: to Assassination. Subject flew to Houston on eighteen November to
- 24:55Speaker 1: participate in a symposium on the Kennedy assassination. It hopes
- 25:00Speaker 1: to return to New York next week. Subject will be
- 25:03Speaker 1: paid for his book only to the extent that income
- 25:06Speaker 1: exceed expenses. Including his current trip. He is going through
- 25:11Speaker 1: a period of loneliness and could be approached under appropriate
- 25:15Speaker 1: writer author academic commercial cover In summary, wow wow interesting.
- 25:27Speaker 1: So the CIA is definitely interested in this dude, they said.
- 25:31Speaker 1: He answered most of his questions in English, but was
- 25:34Speaker 1: occasionally confused by an unexpected question and was forced to
- 25:37Speaker 1: rely on an interpreter. Following the taping, the interpreter invited
- 25:44Speaker 1: the subject at the FBI's request for coffee and later
- 25:47Speaker 1: to dinner at his home. Both were gratefully accepted. They
- 25:51Speaker 1: had to cancel the dinner. Though blah blah blah blah.
- 25:55Speaker 1: Subject enjoyed his ten years in Mexico and Cuba. He
- 25:58Speaker 1: cheerfully lamented that the resident children in Mexico had to
- 26:02Speaker 1: use commercial phone lines to talk to their Cuban counterparts.
- 26:07Speaker 1: The CIA knew everything we did. I mean, they knew
- 26:11Speaker 1: that their lines were tapped. Following his expulsion from Mexico
- 26:15Speaker 1: City in seventy one, he was assigned to the first
- 26:20Speaker 1: Chief Director and made several trips to Cuban Nicaragua. He
- 26:24Speaker 1: became eligible to return to Mexico again when the Mexican
- 26:27Speaker 1: President stated privately during a state visit to Moscow. The
- 26:30Speaker 1: subject and apparently others the work spelled with him could
- 26:33Speaker 1: return it into time, but he was sent to Vietnam instead.
- 26:38Speaker 1: From nineteen seventy five until eighty two, and then again
- 26:44Speaker 1: about eighty five. He became an instructor at the Andropov
- 26:47Speaker 1: Institute until every retirement in nineteen ninety one. Under FBI direction,
- 26:54Speaker 1: the interpreter tried to elicit updated counter intelligence info by
- 26:58Speaker 1: speculating out loud, to quote, your guys probably don't have
- 27:02Speaker 1: anything to do here. It was told, you're basically right.
- 27:10Speaker 1: So again, I just think it's interesting that they were
- 27:14Speaker 1: looking into this guy right in nineteen ninety three, and
- 27:19Speaker 1: the FBI was too, and that they knew, you know,
- 27:24Speaker 1: they even bust his ass right here. Number ten. According
- 27:28Speaker 1: to a copy of his card, which appears to have
- 27:31Speaker 1: been printed in one of those local five dollars for
- 27:34Speaker 1: fifty card machines, the subject's current addresses whatever this means
- 27:39Speaker 1: in Moscow, and there's telephone numbers, So I mean, they're
- 27:44Speaker 1: busting his balls here telling me that you know, you
- 27:45Speaker 1: had cheap, shitty cards that he was giving out to people,
- 27:49Speaker 1: that he's only going to be paid after all the
- 27:50Speaker 1: expenses of publishing and promotion are paid. So this guy's
- 27:55Speaker 1: flying all over the place, you know, doing these interviews
- 27:59Speaker 1: with people, pull promoting his book, publishing the book. He
- 28:05Speaker 1: probably didn't make hardly nothing of writing this book, because
- 28:10Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of like one of the music
- 28:12Speaker 1: companies out there. You know, once they got you, they
- 28:16Speaker 1: you know, they got you, they own you, and the
- 28:19Speaker 1: other little bit you gotta fly around and do whatever
- 28:22Speaker 1: interviews they want you to do. Whatever. But yeah, back
- 28:25Speaker 1: to the book for a second again. Eight out of
- 28:29Speaker 1: ten guns up and if you like it description there
- 28:36Speaker 1: is a link to purchase. Made it very easy for you,
- 28:40Speaker 1: very easy. Anyway, that's it for this week. Hope you
- 28:44Speaker 1: enjoyed JFK Book Reviews, a division of ungoing podcast I
- 28:48Speaker 1: Am Big Bad Bob. Hopefully next time the patron sing
- 28:53Speaker 1: of Skufuza will be with me. But until then, we'll
- 28:57Speaker 1: see you soon face mm hmm