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Episode 136: Hello There Animation's Clone Wars Version of Revenge of the Sith · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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  It's most things Kenobi and don't try at Anakin.
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  We always have the high ground. Hi everyone, Welcome to another
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  episode of Most Things Kenobi, a podcast about Obi Wan Kenobi and
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  all things Star Wars. I'm your host, Leanne.
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  And I'm your host, Lauren. This week we are discussing the
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  absolutely amazing, stunning, epic, entertaining, well done.
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  What other adjective can I throw in there?
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  Pretty much sums it up right. Yeah.
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  Revenge of the Sith battle between Anakin and Obi Wan,
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  created in Clone Wars style by Hello There.
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  Holy shit. Holy shit, it is so good.
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  It's. So, well done.
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  I expected it to be good, like all the little teasers they put
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  out. I did not expect to cry like a 5
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  year old at this. I and I did again.
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  When I rewatched it, I cried again.
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  So it's clearly very well done. I watched it multiple times and
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  I got the same amount of chills at the same times that I get
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  chills when I watch the live action.
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  And. It's it's kind of weird because
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  it's Clone Wars style, right? And they did it so well and it's
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  like watching the same characters but a little bit
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  different because it's the Clone Wars version and I know we when
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  you look at the live action versions, whatever of Anakin and
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  Obi Wan, you can connect the the dots between the Clone Wars
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  animated show to the live action, right?
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  But something hit different when it was Anakin, the Clone Wars
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  animation, Anakin burning up in that, in that.
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  Lava. Yes.
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  Oh my God, it's so. It was Obi Wan Clone Wars.
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  Obi Wan crying and and heavy breathing and picks up his
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  lightsaber. It hit different, I'm telling
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  you it. Really.
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  Did I? I completely agree with you.
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  It was harder to watch. It was so much more painful for
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  some reason. Like you would assume human
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  beings suffering would be right, you know, it hit harder.
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  But I think because Clone Wars has seven seasons of them
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  together. Yeah, in this way, yes.
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  It was just like then to watch those characters that we've
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  become so close, to watch them suffer.
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  It was just harder for some reason.
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  I don't know why. It was.
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  It's watching the same characters, but slightly
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  different. It's weird.
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  Now I have a challenge for the Hello there folks.
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  OK, what is that? Interspersed Clone Wars Season 7
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  Ahsoka Scenes with this. I'm sure someone on YouTube has
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  done it. Maybe I haven't looked.
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  But if you want to completely like, just kill us, or at least
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  have us pass out in in some expendable fashion, like an
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  extended time, do that because. Yeah, yeah.
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  Just make headstones for us ahead of time because.
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  And do them in Clone Wars style. Can you imagine?
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  Oh. My God, I was just expecting the
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  duel. I did not expect all of the
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  extras that they included, which I just fucking loved.
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  Like especially the beginning where they start on Udupao.
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  So good. I watched somebody do frame by
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  frame and it's frame by frame. They didn't miss a beat with
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  this. It is so good.
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  And like they have the particulate in the air and the
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  fire animation. It's so beautiful.
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  And their eyes. You know how Clone Wars
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  especially focuses in on the characters eyes a lot?
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  We talked about a lot of emotion, even for animation is
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  shown through the eyes in some way because they're fake.
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  It's it's it's cartoons. But they kept that, that was
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  preserved in this, and that's what I really like.
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  That's what brought it home. Yeah, I think it actually added
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  a little more to it, which is so weird because you would think a
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  human being would bring more to it, but that there was this
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  moment right at the beginning. I guess it was like after that
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  introductory and now they're on Mustafar and they put Anakin in
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  the same framing and all of that.
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  You watch Obi Wan's eyes and you see him.
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  When he says only a Sith deals in absolutes, you can see in his
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  eyes. He like comes to terms with it
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  and he's like, oh, this is happening and and you don't get
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  that as much in the live action. For some reason, they're making,
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  like really specific choices about their eyes and their
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  facial expressions in the animation.
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  I thought so too. I really did.
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  And and that's good, because that's what we expect from Clone
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  Wars and what we know from Clone Wars One through 7.
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  I don't even know how to categorize this.
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  Is this in a league of its own or is this like, it's so good?
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  I I mean, hats off. I know.
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  How long did it take them to come up with this?
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  Who's the team behind it? I guess we should explain.
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  They're very secretive. I I know I I kind of don't know
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  how many there are. I don't need a.
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  Genius. Is it multiple?
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  They had like an animator and then they had sound supervisors
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  and they have a team and they have thanked patrons and they
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  think like Indiana University or something like that.
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  At the end of their credits they have no website.
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  I've reached out to them on Instagram and through e-mail,
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  never heard back as we would love to have them on.
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  If anyone knows them personally, let them know that we would love
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  to have them on and interview them but.
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  If by some chance hello there listens to this like we would
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  love to have you on. You guys are just too cool.
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  All of y'all too too much talent.
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  I love it. It's fantastic.
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  It's so cohesive like this really.
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  And I think that is part of why I think it's harder to watch
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  like in a good way. I I loved feeling all the pain.
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  It was excellent. But I feel like the very ending
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  where, you know, it's the you were the chosen one, that whole
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  sequence, once they like, oh, everyone has the high ground,
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  basically, yeah, it's so much harder to watch than for me than
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  for the live action because it's cohesive.
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  There's not this switching back and forth between live action
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  and special effects. Yes, very true.
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  It's animated, so it's all very cohesive, but it also is
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  cohesive with Clone Wars as a whole, which we kind of talked
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  about already, so it makes it. So.
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  Much more painful. Yeah.
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  And they even have Padme like the whole scene and it's and
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  like Obi Wan's expression through that, it just it's adds
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  a different layer to it. I don't know it's it was so neat
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  to see because it's so we've never gotten it and it's so
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  great that we got it. I know.
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  But then you think about the live action and you know, I
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  always have said that there's something about Hayden
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  Christensen's eyes that make him like the perfect Vader, right
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  when he goes evil, he has that intensity in his eyes that are
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  like it's like unmatched, you know, and the desperation in
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  humans eyes, the sadness and all that stuff.
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  Now what we need is a live action version of him and
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  Satine. When Satine dies, oh.
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  My. God the live action actors to
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  see if they can do The Clone Wars.
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  It'll be a never ending. Like comparison show.
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  We're never happy and we're never satisfied and we want
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  more. I was going to say, can we place
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  orders for our next Hello There Animation already?
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  Yes, please. Oh my God, it's so true.
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  It's so true. It's so good.
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  I've seen people dabble in like the Clone Wars style sequel
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  trilogy characters and I I didn't wasn't a fan of what I
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  saw. I wonder if if the Hello There
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  team could could do it. Of course they could.
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  They did. Probably, yeah, it's.
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  Flawless. I think it's it's also like kind
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  of going back to the facial expressions too.
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  With Obi Wan, we don't see him show any emotion like this in
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  Clone Wars, like not even when Satine dies.
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  It's really sad and he gets tears in his eyes and all that.
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  But this is something, this is like deep anguish, like he's in
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  such agony and it's just he's not even trying to hide it
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  anymore. And I think that's partially
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  also why it hurts so much to watch, because Clone Wars Obi
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  Wan is so he plays everything so close to the vest, you know, he
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  doesn't show his emotions. Yeah, So that is.
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  Hard to watch in a great way like I love in.
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  A great way for it. Listen, the harder it is the
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  watch, the more we want it. Star Wars is pain.
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  It's true. We're just so messed up.
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  Something else I really loved is it wasn't completely like a shot
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  for shot remake. They used a few things that were
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  better for animation or like a little bit of an angle that's
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  better. But then they added stuff back
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  in that got cut. Like Anakin has some moves that
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  are added back in and Obi Wan has some dialogue that they add
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  in that I I was so happy to see it in there because we have all
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  said like what a crime that we didn't get some of that Anakin
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  choreography. Yeah, it's so true.
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  Also, I guess I should have specified the frame for frame
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  that I referenced earlier was at the end when Obi Wan saying you
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  were my brother Anakin. Oh yeah, you know you were you
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  were meant to bring peace, not whatever this is.
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  You know the that whole spiel that was frame for frame
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  perfect. Perfectly done.
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  But I actually looked for the spinny lightsabers where they're
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  people always make fun of it like it's pointless.
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  But when you have talked about how it's like 2 swordsman kind
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  of sizing up, readjusting, getting ready for the next move,
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  I didn't notice that in this. I didn't see it.
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  It's there, it is. It's really hard to spot it
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  because there I was actually looking for the move, you know
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  the Oh my God, it's so hot when Obi Wan kind of spins around and
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  comes down on top of Anakin. And it was, it was like
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  underplayed a little bit in the animation because all of the
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  animation was so like powerful. So in the live action, I think
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  it stands out more, but there's the part where Anakin like drops
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  his lightsaber. It's like what Ray does.
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  Yes, yes, yes. It's very good.
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  I love this. I love.
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  That, but I was just like. So good.
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  I have to say they kept the klaxon in there.
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  I I made a note. Did you I?
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  Did God damn Klaxon. Klaxon makes an appearance.
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  I hate it in animation and I hate it in live action.
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  It sends my nerves into a tailspin.
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  I'm sorry. Oh, no, it's it's one of those
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  things. I actually laugh about it now
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  since you and I have talked about it.
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  It's no longer like scary death warning, you know?
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  Yeah, I wanted to bring something up that I had like,
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  never really registered in my brain before.
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  And this, like, made me realize it in the moment where they're
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  on top of the table and Anakin is pressing Obi Wan's light
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  Saber towards his face, Like, like into his mouth.
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  Basically, he's going to cut his head.
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  Off every moment of it. It's so good, but we always talk
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  about how terrible it is that Obi Wan has been sent to kill
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  his friend and do this fight. We never talk about how terrible
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  it is that Anakin is really trying to kill Obi Wan.
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  Yes. He really wants his friend dead
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  in this moment. Does he?
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  Yeah, he's trying pretty hard. I mean, the look on his face is
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  not one where there's any kind of like, inkling that his friend
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  is still in there. Well, here's what I will argue.
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  I think Anakin is trying to prove something.
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  What? Well, it in killing Obi Wan, he
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  will have proved that he's a better Jedi.
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  He's he didn't need all of the lecturing from Obi Wan.
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  He has a better future. You're a fool for being a Jedi
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  and part of the the code in the Republic and the whole thing.
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  And I feel like it's overdone on Anakin's part, because he's not.
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  He's We, we, we've already discussed this in our battle
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  episode. Where we talk about this is that
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  Kenobi's more thoughtful and he's a better fighter and he's a
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  more skilled fighter. Anika is so angry and in his
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  head and he's so desperately trying to prove to himself.
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  Maybe because Palpatine is not there.
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  No one's there that he's trying to like in killing Obi Wan.
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  He will have justified something in his convoluted brain at this
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  point and I think it's the act of killing.
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  This is my opinion. I know he wants Kenobi dead, but
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  I think the drive behind it is yes part hate.
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  I think he's more hateful after Obi Wan chops his arms off but
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  and legs. But I think at that point, when
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  he's fighting him, he's fighting all of the things that made him
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  so pissed off about the past several years.
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  Yeah, it's still sad though. It's awful that their
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  relationship has gotten so bad that Anakin doesn't even think
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  twice about it at this point. He just says then you're against
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  me and that's that. Yeah, Boom.
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  Done. Because line Line is drawn in
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  the sand. Sand.
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  He hates sand. Oopsie.
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  It's drawn in the lava rock, we'll say.
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  But it begs the question, and I know you and I have thought
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  about it right, is if Ahsoka would have went instead of Obi
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  Wan, what would have happened? He still fights Ahsoka in
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  Rebels, but he's had time. He's had time to accumulate and
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  his brain and his thinking and the hatred and the pain of the
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  suit and his body and everything, and Padme.
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  But if either Obi Wan and Ahsoka or just Ahsoka would have had a
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  chance to talk to him. Maybe even Rex if the whole
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  gang. Nobody really knew how far gone
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  he was though, and so I guess it wouldn't have mattered.
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  I guess I mean, it could have put Ahsoka at risk even.
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  Because for sure, at that point she was still raw about the Jedi
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  too kicking her. Well, they didn't kick her out.
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  They invited her back so graciously after turning against
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  her. Well.
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  They opened the door and told her if you leave, OK.
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  Yeah, so maybe she would have been more inclined to join
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  Anakin, or at least understand where he was coming from.
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  I don't know. That's just a thought I'm
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  throwing out there. I'm not even sure if I believe
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  it, but. I know there's so many
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  questions. I know, I think the scene is
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  particularly interesting between Obi Wan and Anakin because like
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  you said, Anakin is so hot tempered.
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  You keep seeing them get the better of each other and like
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  overpower each other in different moments.
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  And I think Anakin is too confident and that's leaving
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  little weaknesses that Obi Wan takes advantage of.
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  And Obi Wan is probably more emotional than usual, which
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  allows Anakin to get the better of him here and there, you know,
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  So it's it's kind of interesting to see these two people at their
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  prime and they know each other so well and they're both kind of
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  on their off foot, you know, like off kilter.
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  And so they're able to kind of get the better of each other,
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  but not all the way. So it's just this horrible
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  constant wall that they keep coming against with a fighting
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  each other. It's just it's a great scene it
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  there's so much layered context to it.
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  And nothing was lost in animation.
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  It's so easy it it there's that possibility of losing it in an
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  animation and they did not lose it.
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  In fact, to your point, Anakin and Obi Wan have so many
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  external things being thrown at them.
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  First it's the tunnel, and then it's the the breakaway piece
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  that falls and gets melted. And I don't know what the
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  technical name of all this stuff is, but you know the piece that
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  melts and and falls. Boop and And then the little
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  Droid. They even got the little Droid
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  in there, which I feel bad for him, but you know.
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  What it is Lucy drops his little container and comes up out of
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  the lava. He does, yes.
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  Yeah, he does. It's a drop.
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  It rise again. But but they didn't lose any of
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  that. And I thought it was really well
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  done, the coloring, like you said, they had the little pieces
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  of what was floating, the particulates.
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  So cool. And I love, I love that part,
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  what you're talking about with the lava coming up on the thing
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  and breaking it off and they they still kept the that moment
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  where they clashed lightsabers and the lava sprays up behind
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  this. And I was aware of this because
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  we just talked about Mount Etna and how they used you.
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  They used that in the background of an actual eruption.
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  And then here it was like animated.
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  It was well, it was well preserved.
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  So good. It was so good.
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  I will say too that because of the animation, I think it
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  actually made the sequence less ridiculous.
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  If I may say that. Don't come from me, people.
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  I hear you. There's some stuff in this duel
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  I will never forget. People laughing out loud in the
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  theater several times during the duel and and I get it, it was
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  kind of silly some of it, but in animation it makes that look
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  really bad ass. Totally.
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  Because again, it's more in an animated style.
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  It's cohesive. Whereas you could totally tell
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  they threw in some weird CGI of Anakin leaping across the room
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  or whatever the fuck it was. Yeah.
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  Again, it was a sign of the times.
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  I always, I always try. And I guess the word is defend
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  it because it was such new technology.
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  We've come so far, you know. Because of it.
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  It wouldn't have happened without these movies so.
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  It's true. You have to give credit.
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  But the scene where they put their hands together for the
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  force push, the audience like burst into laughter in the
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  theater I was in, and they thought I was silly.
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  And I have to admit, I was one of those people.
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  Oh, I was just. Like, I don't even remember when
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  I was like. What are they doing?
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  What is that? But now I really like it because
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  I understand it more. But I like to seeing it in the
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  animation because it's like you can see more of it.
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  For some reason I don't know, the animation allows movement to
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  stay in focus longer than live action can stay in focus.
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  Very true, yeah. So you actually get to see like
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  facial expressions while they move, which is a lot harder to
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  achieve in live action. So.
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  Yeah, I like, I like. I really appreciated that they
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  stripped out some of the ridiculousness.
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  They even pulled out like Vader's.
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  No, I was just like, praise God. Yes, that that I was very glad
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  that is one of those things that you can just you know like that
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  could be left in the past. OK, it takes you out of the
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  scene. It does.
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  It really does. And so now that they've shown
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  what it's like without it, it was so much more impactful.
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  I was emotional all the way through to the end.
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  There was no moment where I was like, what the fuck was that?
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  You know, like. I got to enjoy the whole impact
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  without no. Right.
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  That can stay a meme forever. I don't care.
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  Yes please. It's such a great gift to send
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  to people when you need a good reaction gift.
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  But. Sorry, I just did it like I'm.
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  You did. You can't.
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  No one saw it. It's OK.
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  No one needs to see it. No one needs to hear it.
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  Did you notice that Anakin's eyes got darker the further
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  along we went? Yes.
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  Yes, I did. I did.
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  And I love that because there's no kind of, there's no real good
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  way of doing that. Yeah, at least not as
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  noticeable. And it's because of the
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  continuity factor, the the cohesiveness of the animation
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  that you can notice something like that.
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  And I did, and it was Fant. It was a very nice touch.
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  Fantastic. It's so smart, too, because it's
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  like the more they fight, the deeper into the dark side he
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  goes, So it's just more and more visible.
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  And so by the end, his eyes are blood red, you know?
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  Yeah, it's so good. It matches the amount of drama
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  going on around them too, with the lava and the eruption and
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  the, you know, they're in it. They're right in it at the end.
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  You know well, Anakin's literally right in it at the
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  end, but it's it's one of those things where it matches the the
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  drama of it all. I just, I love that there's a
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  level of literal drama of these two going at it.
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  It is. It's it's literally over the top
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  with the eruption when their swords clash.
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  Did I just make this up, or did Anakin's lightsaber appear more
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  red as time went on? Because they're both.
• 22:32
  Bluted, I got to check now. It was one of those things where
• 22:36
  I was like, oh, it's orange, oh, it's it's like turning or like
• 22:39
  the shading of it all. Kind of.
• 22:41
  I know that in the live action they're both distinctly blue
• 22:44
  because you have to be able to see them crawling and jumping
• 22:48
  and where they're at in this giant scene, but in this?
• 22:50
  Is like it's like. No.
• 22:52
  And I thought there was a tinge there that might have been
• 22:56
  purpose. That would be so smart.
• 22:58
  If they did, I want to go back and watch and look for.
• 23:00
  That it's towards when they're getting towards the end of the
• 23:03
  battle itself, when they're still fighting together.
• 23:07
  Anakin's lightsaber I think takes on a reddish hue.
• 23:10
  It's not totally red, but it's one of those things like the
• 23:13
  eyes it gets darker and and the lightsaber it loses more and
• 23:17
  more blue. Yeah.
• 23:19
  Which would be a great touch if it was on purpose, which of
• 23:22
  course everything is right in animation.
• 23:24
  Especially with this they could do whatever they wanted and.
• 23:28
  And they did. And it was fabulous.
• 23:33
  It's so good. It's so good.
• 23:36
  I noticed one moment to where Anakin uses reverse grip and he
• 23:41
  never ever does, even though his apprentices both use reverse
• 23:45
  grip and I was like Oh my God, we finally got to see it for
• 23:48
  like 2 seconds. Here's a question.
• 23:50
  Doesn't he actually use reverse grip when he's fighting a Barris
• 23:55
  and he has the two? That is a good question.
• 23:58
  I have only watched that one, so I can't say, but I wouldn't be
• 24:02
  surprised. Correct me if I'm wrong.
• 24:05
  I feel like there is a a little bit of a reverse grip in that
• 24:08
  because he's like surprise bitch.
• 24:10
  I got 22, you know, I got two Sabres as well, you know.
• 24:14
  But I think he does revert. But, but I did pointedly notice
• 24:19
  it in this scene. Yeah, I'm here for that.
• 24:22
  I am here as an Anakin fan. I'm here for it all day long.
• 24:26
  Well, I've had a theory that Ahsoka learned her reverse grip
• 24:29
  from Obi Wan, because you never see Anakin use it.
• 24:33
  Ever. Especially not before she uses
• 24:37
  it. But you do see Obi Wan use it.
• 24:40
  There's a moment in what is the episode called oh, Hunt for 0
• 24:44
  where he's using Quinlan's. That's right.
• 24:48
  And he has it in reverse grip. So he's got like 2 lightsabers,
• 24:51
  one in reverse grip. And I don't think he uses
• 24:54
  reverse grip when he does Jarki against Maul, but you see him
• 24:57
  using the Kenobi series quite a bit actually.
• 25:00
  He uses reverse script so I've I've got this little like
• 25:04
  personal head cannon that Ahsoka learned it from Obi Wan and not
• 25:08
  Anakin. But that's just my my Little
• 25:10
  Dream. Well, here's a question.
• 25:12
  What hand did it with the lightsaber 'cause I wonder if
• 25:15
  the metal hand can't do it. Oh, it was advanced enough to do
• 25:22
  in this metal hand problem is what I'm asking.
• 25:24
  Question. I think it was his.
• 25:27
  I think it was the hand that he fights with.
• 25:28
  But I'm not sure actually now that you say that, because now
• 25:31
  I'm feel like maybe Anna can use his left hand to do reverse
• 25:35
  grip. But.
• 25:35
  I'd have to. That would make more sense to me
• 25:37
  because there's more wrist. Yeah, Obi Wan is his left hand
• 25:42
  is his reverse grip hand because his right hand is his strong
• 25:46
  hand so he is his Ford blade in that hand and his reverse grip
• 25:49
  is so that like blocking side. Interesting.
• 25:52
  That would make sense. Yeah, I think that's how Ahsoka
• 25:55
  does it, too. I think your weaker arm is your
• 25:57
  reverse grip, but I'm not sure. I'm not a sword fighter by any
• 26:02
  means. I'm not any fighter.
• 26:04
  I hide in my house from any kind of conflict.
• 26:09
  That's a good point too, that maybe his mechanical hand has
• 26:13
  limitations. They talk about that in Wild
• 26:15
  Space, Leanne. How Like.
• 26:17
  Oh, they do. He has to learn.
• 26:20
  Oh. I love that.
• 26:22
  Like, acclimate to it? Yeah.
• 26:24
  And then it was like, really emotionally difficult for him.
• 26:26
  And Obi Wan had to, like, help him nurse him through it.
• 26:28
  You should read that book. Oh, I love it.
• 26:30
  I wouldn't. I would nurse him through it.
• 26:32
  Let me say this is so awful. I am the worst.
• 26:36
  So the voice acting too. Did you have any notes about
• 26:39
  that? Yeah, I mean it was very
• 26:42
  interesting. And also, I I do feel like that
• 26:45
  did Take Me Out of it a little bit, that they kept switching
• 26:47
  between James and Ewan. Anakin was all Matt Lanter
• 26:52
  except some of his screaming. That was Hayden because it's
• 26:58
  just so specific. It's so good though, yeah.
• 27:02
  But I actually, James did a an Instagram live recently and even
• 27:06
  he said he was like why didn't they use my version of the You
• 27:08
  were My brother Anakin. He's like I recorded those lines
• 27:11
  like why did they switch back to Ewan?
• 27:14
  Probably because Ewan's delivery is iconic.
• 27:18
  It's like an iconic piece of. It it really is though.
• 27:21
  It is not even just for Star Wars fans.
• 27:24
  Like, pretty much everybody knows that line.
• 27:27
  I would say both Matt and James have said that they think it's
• 27:31
  freaking amazing. They they loved it.
• 27:34
  They thought it was brilliant. I think Matt even shared on
• 27:38
  Twitter that it was Wizard Which.
• 27:45
  I mean, it is adorable wizardry in a way.
• 27:50
  It's like little baby Anakin, like Wizard.
• 27:54
  I like to that. I actually like that Obi Wan
• 27:56
  threw a box at Anakin and Anakin cuts it in half 'cause it's like
• 28:00
  how Vader throws a rock at Kenobi and he cuts it in half in
• 28:03
  the Kenobi series. Vader throws shit at Luke.
• 28:07
  Oh yeah. All the time.
• 28:10
  What is that, Empire Strikes Back?
• 28:12
  He's just throwing pieces in that room at him.
• 28:14
  He's just his little Willy nilly.
• 28:16
  What do we got? We got some crates over here.
• 28:18
  Here you go, Luke. I do.
• 28:20
  Piece of scaffolding, here you go.
• 28:22
  It kind of makes me laugh. It's also, it's like,
• 28:24
  desperately sad, but it also kind of makes me laugh.
• 28:26
  In the Kenobi series, when Obi Wan has gotten the better of
• 28:30
  Vader and he just one last time smashes a rock across the side
• 28:35
  of his head. It's like he's so tired he can't
• 28:38
  swing his light Saber anymore, so he just uses a rock to take
• 28:41
  out Vader. I think.
• 28:44
  It's really hot. I don't know why is using the
• 28:47
  Force so sexy. It really is we've.
• 28:49
  Tried. This is a question we can't
• 28:51
  answer. It's up there with.
• 28:53
  Had Qui Gon lived, would things be different?
• 28:57
  Had if Ahsoka wasn't this battle, would things have been
• 29:00
  different? And why is it so sexy when dudes
• 29:03
  use the force or females? I'll give you this Yeah, there's
• 29:08
  some sexiness with some females using the Force in Star Wars.
• 29:11
  I'm just saying. Oh, basically anybody.
• 29:14
  Anyone uses the Force, Especially when they're like
• 29:17
  being more controlled than somebody else.
• 29:19
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's.
• 29:24
  It's memorable for sure. Memorable.
• 29:28
  Whether it's animated, live action, whatever, Doesn't
• 29:32
  matter. How long did it take them to put
• 29:38
  this together? Three years, it seems like.
• 29:41
  Yeah, years, years and years. I mean, this is 15 minutes of
• 29:46
  animation. I'm assuming that this is not
• 29:49
  their day job. I don't know.
• 29:51
  But it seems like a side project, like a passion project
• 29:54
  to me. I mean if it.
• 29:55
  Isn't it Should be? Should be a day job.
• 29:57
  Seriously, is that good? It's possible the person who
• 30:02
  fixed the loop deep fake whatever they deep fake from
• 30:06
  Mandalorian deck. I got hired for the next season
• 30:08
  of Mandalorian, so this could definitely lead to jobs for them
• 30:13
  for sure. Yeah, and it their first trailer
• 30:16
  for it, at least on their YouTube page, which by the way
• 30:20
  is at Hello There Animation. So go over there and follow them
• 30:23
  if you're not already. Their first trailer, 15 Seconds,
• 30:27
  was three years ago. They gave an update on May 4th
• 30:31
  two years ago, gave another update on May 4th exactly one
• 30:35
  year ago, and then released this as the as of the date of this
• 30:40
  recording. Two weeks ago and it has 2.5
• 30:42
  million views in just two weeks and every single one is well
• 30:46
  deserved in my opinion. Yes.
• 30:49
  Oh my gosh. And it's it's like it was
• 30:51
  everywhere. It was on every single nerdy
• 30:55
  online magazine. I was seeing it promoted
• 30:57
  everywhere. I think maybe even on like
• 30:59
  Entertainment Weekly, possibly it was it.
• 31:03
  It made a huge buzz. There is no way that someone at
• 31:07
  Lucasfilm has not seen this. They had to have 100% and I hope
• 31:12
  they they're in talks with giving them some sort of
• 31:16
  recognition, 'cause they and hey, if they don't, they've got
• 31:19
  the fans, so. Oh yeah.
• 31:22
  Hands. You got ours.
• 31:23
  That's all you need. Just kidding.
• 31:27
  Just kidding. Well, this is clearly people who
• 31:34
  really love it. They're doing it because they
• 31:35
  love it, and I've been following them the whole time and just so
• 31:40
  excited to see it with no idea if it would ever be finished or
• 31:45
  like, you know where the project was.
• 31:47
  Just it would come back into my orbit every now and then.
• 31:50
  I'd be like, oh, did that ever come out?
• 31:52
  And then all of a sudden they were ready to release it.
• 31:54
  And it was so much better than I even thought it was going to be.
• 31:57
  It was worth waiting for. It was worth.
• 32:00
  It was so damn good. And because the video games came
• 32:05
  out. Oh yeah.
• 32:07
  The actors from Clone Wars had recorded the lines, which made
• 32:10
  it even more possible for them to finish this project, so it
• 32:13
  was pretty awesome. If you can't tell, we really
• 32:15
  love it and we support it and we support everyone.
• 32:19
  Whoever is a part of the Hello there team, we salute you.
• 32:24
  Yes, please. Come on our show.
• 32:26
  Say hello there at least. And for those of you, if you are
• 32:32
  not following them, they have a link tree so it's at hello there
• 32:36
  under score Animation. In fact, if you just go to their
• 32:39
  Instagram, hello there Under Score Animation, they have a
• 32:42
  link tree in the bio. They've got YouTube, Patreon,
• 32:45
  TikTok, Discord, Instagram and Twitter.
• 32:48
  So there are a million ways, A million, then a million views.
• 32:52
  2.5 Yeah, they have many, many ways to follow them and support.
• 32:55
  Show them your support. Tell them we sent you.
• 32:58
  We love it. It's it's what we've always
• 33:00
  wanted. We got it.
• 33:01
  Thank you to the creative team behind it.
• 33:10
  Next week's episode is going to be two more short stories from
• 33:14
  the A Certain Point of View collection that was gifted to us
• 33:17
  by our very generous and wonderful friend and patron,
• 33:21
  Kenobi Wolf. And we love these short stories.
• 33:25
  We love investigating them and what each of us like, picked out
• 33:28
  and noticed and theories we haven't, so we're going to pick
• 33:32
  two. We don't know yet.
• 33:33
  We have to investigate, but we'll be back here next week
• 33:36
  with two more of the short stories and we'll see what we
• 33:39
  get into with that. So join us.
• 33:42
  Last week we discussed potential mistakes made by Obi Wan Kenobi
• 33:47
  and. Speaking of it from a certain
• 33:49
  point of view, Oh yeah. We got some feedback from Tara,
• 33:54
  she said. He had only two true mistakes in
• 33:58
  her opinion, putting the orders expectations of Anakin's over
• 34:02
  his own intuitive approach for Anakin.
• 34:04
  He had such empathy for Anakin but just couldn't figure out how
• 34:07
  to help him. But that can be a lack of
• 34:10
  experience and then being too attached to Anakin once he was
• 34:14
  knighted to acknowledge where Anakin was heading and to
• 34:17
  confront him over it. Yeah, I agree with both of
• 34:20
  those. Those are good points, I
• 34:22
  thought. So too, it was a great point.
• 34:24
  And then our dear friend Carla, who the the idea was actually
• 34:28
  her idea for the episode. She submitted it.
• 34:30
  We thought it was a great idea, she said.
• 34:32
  I really enjoyed your insightful opinions.
• 34:34
  I think you are both very creative and original.
• 34:36
  I still have to disagree that Rayko Hardeen's decision was in
• 34:40
  character, meaning that it was not in character.
• 34:43
  She didn't think she was in character, but I have.
• 34:45
  I have to admit that it works for the whole story.
• 34:48
  It's not that I consider that he has a cinnamon roll, I just have
• 34:50
  him in such high esteem that I am sure he wouldn't have allowed
• 34:54
  that to happen to just inflict pain on Anakin.
• 34:57
  Sure, yeah. I think it's true that Obi Wan
• 35:00
  would never have wanted to hurt Anakin.
• 35:03
  Well, that's why I said it had to have come from above where he
• 35:07
  didn't have a choice. And it was you know, if he stood
• 35:10
  over it like, oh, there's some good in this there.
• 35:13
  The end game is it's good. We're making.
• 35:16
  We're protecting and all this stuff, the.
• 35:18
  Ends justify the means. Always.
• 35:20
  Yeah. So listen, we all hold Obi Wan
• 35:23
  in high regard. Look at him.
• 35:25
  He's he's like the Jedi, right? And he's in the top three at
• 35:30
  least. But it's it's just interesting
• 35:33
  to look at it from a different point of view.
• 35:36
  But he's wonderful. Yeah.
• 35:39
  And I I agree. I don't.
• 35:43
  It came from Palpatine. Blame Palpatine.
• 35:47
  Seriously. Well, thank you to our dear
• 35:52
  listeners for responding. We appreciate you so much and
• 35:54
  thanks for the idea again, Carla.
• 35:55
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• 35:59
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• 36:02
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• 36:33
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• 36:38
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