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The Maxwell Trial Transcripts: Kate Describes Her Relationship With Ghislaine Maxwell (Part 4) (11/11/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the
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  Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to dive right
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  Speaker 1: back into the testimony given by Kate at the Ghislaine
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  Speaker 1: Maxwell trial. Question, you testified earlier about travel to Palm Beach.
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk about that for a minute. Who
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  Speaker 1: did you travel to see in Palm Beach? Answer, Ghislaine
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  Speaker 1: and Jeffrey. Question, how many times do you visit Maxwell
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  Speaker 1: and Epstein in Palm Beach? Answer, one time. Question, do
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  Speaker 1: you remember exactly? When you went to Palm Beach? Answer, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: approximately how old were you when you went to Palm Beach? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: approximately 18. Question, is it possible that you were older
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  Speaker 1: when you went to Palm Beach? Answer, it's possible. Question,
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  Speaker 1: where did you stay when you visited Epstein and Maxwell
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  Speaker 1: in Palm Beach? Answer, I stayed in the house with them. Question,
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  Speaker 1: can you describe for the jury the Palm Beach house? Answer, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The house had a beautiful swimming pool and there were
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  Speaker 1: doors that opened up from the house onto the swimming
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  Speaker 1: pool deck. And Jeffrey had a desk that would face
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  Speaker 1: out onto the outside so he could see out. And
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  Speaker 1: there was a kitchen downstairs, a small dining area, and
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  Speaker 1: there were bedrooms upstairs. Question, what, if any, photographs did
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  Speaker 1: you see in Epstein's house in Palm Beach? Answer, there
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  Speaker 1: were lots of photographs of young girls. Question, what do
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  Speaker 1: you remember about those photographs? Answer, I remember that they
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  Speaker 1: were shocking. Question, were the young girls clothed or unclothed
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  Speaker 1: in the photographs? Answer, unclothed. Question, where did you see
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  Speaker 1: those photographs in Epstein's house in Palm Beach? Answer, they
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  Speaker 1: were in almost every room. Question, did there come a
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  Speaker 1: time that you were given clothing to wear when you
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  Speaker 1: were staying at Epstein's Palm Beach house? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: what were you given to wear? Answer, I was given
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  Speaker 1: a schoolgirl outfit. Question, can you please describe the schoolgirl
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  Speaker 1: outfit for the jury? Answer, it was short, a short
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  Speaker 1: pleated skirt, white socks, white panties, and a shirt. Question,
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  Speaker 1: where did you find the schoolgirl outfits? Answer, on my bed. Question,
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  Speaker 1: what did you do after finding the schoolgirl outfit? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I went downstairs to find Ghislaine. Question, what, if anything,
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  Speaker 1: did Ghislaine say? Answer, I asked her what, what was
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  Speaker 1: happening with, there were clothes in my room, and she
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  Speaker 1: said I thought it would be fun for you to
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  Speaker 1: take Jeffrey, his teen, in this outfit. Question, did you
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  Speaker 1: put on the schoolgirl outfit? Answer, yes. Question, why did
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  Speaker 1: you put on the schoolgirl outfit? Answer, I didn't know.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know how to say no to that. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know anybody in Florida. I'd never been to Palm
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  Speaker 1: Beach or Florida before. I had no idea even where
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  Speaker 1: the house was or how, and I wasn't sure if
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  Speaker 1: I said no, if I would have to leave, or
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  Speaker 1: what kind of consequence there might have been for not
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  Speaker 1: doing it. Question, what did you do after you put
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  Speaker 1: on the schoolgirl outfit? Answer, Glenn gave me a tray
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  Speaker 1: and told me to go walk to where Jeffrey was
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  Speaker 1: and bring, bring him the tray. Question, did you go
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  Speaker 1: and find Epstein? Answer, yes. Question, where did you find him? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: he was next to the pool house and he was
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  Speaker 1: working out. Question, was Epstein alone? Answer, no. Question, who
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  Speaker 1: was he with? Answer, he was with, there was some
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  Speaker 1: kind of trainer with him. Question, did the trainer stay
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  Speaker 1: with him? Answer, no. Question, after the trainer left, without
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  Speaker 1: getting into details. Did Epstein initiate sexual contact with you? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: did Epstein engage in a sex act with you? Answer, yes.
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  Speaker 1: What if later? Ms. Pomerantz, withdrawn, Your Honor. Question, what,
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  Speaker 1: if anything, did Maxwell say to you later that day? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: she asked me if I had fun and told me
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  Speaker 1: that I was such a good girl and that I
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  Speaker 1: was one of his favorites, and that's it. Question, did
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  Speaker 1: Epstein engage in sexual activity with you again during that trip? Answer. Yes. Question.
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  Speaker 1: One time or multiple times? Answer. Multiple times. Question. You
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  Speaker 1: testified earlier that you went to the island. What is
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  Speaker 1: the island? Answer. The island was an island that Jeffrey owned. Question.
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  Speaker 1: What was the name of the island? Answer. Well, he
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  Speaker 1: called it Little St. Jeff. Question. When you went to
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  Speaker 1: the island, who invited you there? Answer. Glane. Question. Approximately
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  Speaker 1: when did you go to the island? Answer. When I
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  Speaker 1: was approximately 23 or 24. Question. When Maxwell invited you
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  Speaker 1: to the island, what, if anything, did she ask you
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  Speaker 1: to do? Answer. She asked me to massage Jeffrey. Question.
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  Speaker 1: Did sexualized massages with Epstein take place on the island? Answer. Yes. Question.
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  Speaker 1: Do you recall seeing anyone other than Epstein and Maxwell
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  Speaker 1: when you visited the island? Answer. Yes. Question. I remember
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  Speaker 1: seeing a blonde slim girl who seemed far younger than me.
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  Speaker 1: Very young. Miss Pomerantz, Your Honor, may I have just
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  Speaker 1: a moment? They confer real quick. Back to the questioning.
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  Speaker 1: Question Kate. At the beginning, why did you start spending
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  Speaker 1: time with Maxwell and Epstein? Answer. At the beginning, it
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  Speaker 1: was a combination. In the beginning, I wanted to maintain
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  Speaker 1: a relationship with Ghislaine. And I thought that they were
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  Speaker 1: going to be. I thought she was going to be
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  Speaker 1: my friend. Question. Did that change over time? Answer. Yes. Question.
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  Speaker 1: Through your 20s and early 30s, did you continue to
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  Speaker 1: communicate with Epstein? Answer. Yes. Question, without any words from
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  Speaker 1: the communications, that was the tone of your communication with
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  Speaker 1: Epstein generally? Answer, my tone was friendly. Bobby Sternum jumps in,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry I couldn't hear. The court, friendly. The witness, friendly. Question,
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  Speaker 1: why did you keep communicating with Epstein through your 20s
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  Speaker 1: and early 30s? Answer, I did not want to admit
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  Speaker 1: what had happened to me, and I felt that by
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  Speaker 1: ceasing communication, I would have to acknowledge the events that
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  Speaker 1: had taken place. and I would have to say something.
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  Speaker 1: I was also fearful of disengaging because I had witnessed
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  Speaker 1: how connected they both were, and I was fearful. Question,
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  Speaker 1: did there come a time when you stopped communicating with Epstein? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: approximately when? Answer, in my early 30s. Question, and approximately
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  Speaker 1: when did you stop spending time with Epstein? Answer, also
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  Speaker 1: in my early 30s. Question, approximately when did you stop
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  Speaker 1: spending time with Maxwell? Answer, my late 20s. Sorry, spending
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  Speaker 1: time or communicating? Question, spending time? Answer, oh, around 24. Question,
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  Speaker 1: I want to switch gears. When you were a teenager
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  Speaker 1: and in your 20s, were you addicted to any substances? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: what were you addicted to? Answer, I was addicted to alcohol, cocaine,
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  Speaker 1: and sleeping pills. Question, how often did you use cocaine, alcohol,
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  Speaker 1: and sleeping pills? Answer, sporadically, but mostly weekly. Question, when
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  Speaker 1: was the last time that you used those substances that
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  Speaker 1: you just mentioned? Answer, May 1st, 2003. Question, why did
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  Speaker 1: you stop using those substances then? Answer, when I first
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  Speaker 1: started using substances, they helped me to cope with the
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  Speaker 1: way that I was feeling. And then substance use got
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  Speaker 1: out of control and I started to destroy my relationships
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  Speaker 1: and my health and my peace of mind. and I
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  Speaker 1: felt that I was going to die if I continued. Question,
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  Speaker 1: has your prior drug and alcohol use affected the memories
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  Speaker 1: you have? Answer, no. Question, can you explain? Answer, the
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  Speaker 1: memories I have, significant events in my life, have never changed.
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  Speaker 1: My memory, there are things that I have missed that
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  Speaker 1: happen that sometimes I later recall. The memories that I
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  Speaker 1: have are the memories I have. Question, directing your attention
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  Speaker 1: to August 2019, Did there come a time when you
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  Speaker 1: were interviewed by the government? Answer, yes. Question, was the
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  Speaker 1: FBI present for the interview? Answer, yes. Question, before that day,
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  Speaker 1: had you ever talked to law enforcement about your experiences
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  Speaker 1: with Maxwell and Epstein? Answer, no. Question, that same day,
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  Speaker 1: did you speak publicly about some of the experiences that
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  Speaker 1: you testified about here today? Answer, did I speak publicly? Yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and when you did that, did you talk about all
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  Speaker 1: of the details that you shared with the government? Answer, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: why not? Answer, I have a huge amount of humiliation
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  Speaker 1: and shame around the events that took place, and I
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  Speaker 1: was not ready to share that in detail on a
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  Speaker 1: public level. Question, if you have spoken publicly before, why
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  Speaker 1: did you ask to testify under a pseudonym here today? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I asked to testify under a pseudonym because I have
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  Speaker 1: a child. and I do not wish for her to
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  Speaker 1: be associated with or exposed to any negative connotation that
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  Speaker 1: this might bring. Question, you testified earlier that you first
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  Speaker 1: spoke with the government in August of 2019. About how
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  Speaker 1: many meetings have you had with the government since that time? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: about 10 meetings. Question, what was your immigration status? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I am in this country on an O-1 visa. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and what is that? Answer, it's a visa of extraordinary ability. Question,
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  Speaker 1: what does that mean? Answer, it can be extraordinary ability
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  Speaker 1: in many different areas. Initially, I was a singer-songwriter, but
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  Speaker 1: it extends to any artist. Question, did there come a
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  Speaker 1: time when you asked the government to sponsor you for
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  Speaker 1: a visa? Answer, yes. Question, and at that time, you
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  Speaker 1: made the request. Approximately how many meetings did you have
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  Speaker 1: with the government? Answer, approximately seven. Question, approximately how long
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  Speaker 1: had you been meeting with the government at the time
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  Speaker 1: you raised your immigration status? Answer, about a half year. Question.
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  Speaker 1: Has the government made any promises to you about your
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  Speaker 1: immigration visa? Answer. No. Question. I'm going to switch gears.
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  Speaker 1: Have you participated in the compensation fund called the Epstein
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  Speaker 1: Victim Compensation Program? Answer. Yes. Question. What did you do
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  Speaker 1: as part of that fund? Answer. Answer, I had an
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  Speaker 1: interview with a forensic psychologist and I submitted a claim form. Question,
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  Speaker 1: how much money did the fund pay you? Answer, 3.25 million. Question,
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  Speaker 1: did that money come from the estate of Jeffrey Epstein? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: has that money been wired to you already? Answer, not
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  Speaker 1: the total amount. Question, but a portion of that has been. Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: as part of receiving that money, did you have to
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  Speaker 1: sign a waiver agreeing not to sue any of Epstein's employees? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: you mentioned that you didn't. You weren't wired the total amount.
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  Speaker 1: What happened to the rest of it? Answer, the rest
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  Speaker 1: went to my attorneys. Question, have you ever sued Maxwell? Answer, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: do you plan to sue Maxwell? Answer, no. Question, are
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  Speaker 1: you hoping or expecting to get any more money for
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  Speaker 1: what happened to you with Epstein and Maxwell? Answer, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: based on your understanding, will the jury's verdict in this
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  Speaker 1: case affect the award that you receive from the fund? Answer, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: just to be clear, do you have any financial stake
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  Speaker 1: in the outcome of this trial? Answer, I do not. Ms. Pomerantz,
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  Speaker 1: Your Honor, may I have just one moment? The court,
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  Speaker 1: you may. Ms. Pomerantz, no further questions, Your Honor. All right, folks,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to wrap up right here. And in the
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  Speaker 1: next episode dealing with the topic, we're going to pick
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  Speaker 1: up with the defense and doing their cross-examination. All the
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