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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome into this week's Huddle Up Podcast. New voice,
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  Speaker 1: new hosts. Frankly, it's John Oser hosting. JP Shatterick is
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  Speaker 1: on vacation. But the bottom line is we still have
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  Speaker 1: NFL media Jaguars media analyst Bucky Brooks, So it's still
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  Speaker 1: a fine episode of the Huddle Up Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Buck, How are you, buddy man?
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  Speaker 3: I'm good, jay O. How is everything? You're now playing
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  Speaker 3: point guard?
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  Speaker 4: You've you've moved over the past, first point guard?
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  Speaker 3: You nail? Just shoot it. Yeah, this will come.
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  Speaker 1: On where Buck, At some point it'll be fine today,
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  Speaker 1: two or three days from now, you're gonna see guys
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  Speaker 1: in the locker room sort of whispering to each other
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  Speaker 1: that I'm not the right guy. And then probably probably
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  Speaker 1: in about a month, I'll be in Doug's office where
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  Speaker 1: I was saying, look down, you're not gonna work, and.
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  Speaker 2: We tried it.
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  Speaker 1: No tell me I'm not a bad player. Hey, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't mean you're a bad player, means you don't
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  Speaker 1: fit here. So I can see it coming already. So
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  Speaker 1: news today Bucky the Florida Times Union reporting that the
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  Speaker 1: stadium deal has taken one more step. The city council
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  Speaker 1: president has said that it is going to go to
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  Speaker 1: City Council next week. Mayor Donna Degan has reached a
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  Speaker 1: deal for the renovation of the stadium with the Jaguars.
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  Speaker 1: Now it has to get approved. I'm not going to
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  Speaker 1: go into all that process, but it's another sign. You know,
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  Speaker 1: my thought from being around these things in the past,
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  Speaker 1: there has been very little bubbling up about this thing
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  Speaker 1: of not working. The two sides said at the beginning,
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  Speaker 1: both sides want to get a deal done. There's been
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  Speaker 1: no even whispering of, hey, this isn't going to get done.
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  Speaker 1: One more step toward a new stadium, and that's nothing
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  Speaker 1: but good news.
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  Speaker 3: Now that's great news.
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  Speaker 4: It's really good news to hear that the stadium is
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  Speaker 4: going to be done, that we're not going to have
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  Speaker 4: the i would say, the hand ring and trying to
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  Speaker 4: figure out if Jaguars were going to be forced to
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  Speaker 4: relocate because they couldn't get a deal done.
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  Speaker 3: You like that.
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  Speaker 4: You like to have the continuity of, Hey, the Jags
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  Speaker 4: are gonna be here, it's gonna be a nice stadium.
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  Speaker 4: It's gonna be an opportunity for the Jacks to kind
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  Speaker 4: of upgrade the experience for everyone involved. Not only players, coaches,
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  Speaker 4: but fans and everyone that wants to.
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  Speaker 3: Check out the Jaguar.
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  Speaker 4: So really excited that we're kind of making progress on
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  Speaker 4: the stadium deals.
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  Speaker 2: Two parts of the show today. The first part we're
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  Speaker 2: going to go in.
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  Speaker 1: I call it the first half of Huddle Up Bucket.
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing things a little different than JP we're you know,
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  Speaker 1: I have put my stamp on it, you know, just
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  Speaker 1: like a backup quarterback doesn't want to do everything the
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  Speaker 1: starter does. So uh, first topic will be Rookie Mini Camp.
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  Speaker 1: It's coming up. You know how much I love rookie
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  Speaker 1: mini camp. I love anything that has no padded work
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  Speaker 1: and that I have to be standing out in the sun.
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  Speaker 1: So somebody asked me this week, Bucky John, what do
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  Speaker 1: you want to see at rookie Mini Camp? And I said,
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  Speaker 1: a breeze and shade. Beyond that, what do you know
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  Speaker 1: if you were here, what are you looking for? And
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  Speaker 1: on a serious note, I'm make fun of rookie camp.
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  Speaker 1: To me, it's critically important for this reason. You want
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  Speaker 1: to get these guys in and I've always been told
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  Speaker 1: it's the first of three chances they get to look
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  Speaker 1: at stuff before they start competing and they just want
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  Speaker 1: to be able to hit the ground running in August.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So this is the equivalent of what we used to
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  Speaker 4: do in high school, like school orientation, right where you
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  Speaker 4: walk around the school, you go through a fake schedule
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  Speaker 4: for the day. You kind of get the lay of
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  Speaker 4: the land, no where you're supposed to go, where the
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  Speaker 4: lockers are, and all those things.
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  Speaker 3: This is the exposure for the rookies.
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  Speaker 4: They'll get the initial playbook, they'll go through a basic
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  Speaker 4: install they have an opportunity to take the information that
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  Speaker 4: they learn in the meetings and kind.
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  Speaker 3: Of put into practice on the field.
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  Speaker 4: It to be their first exposure to the individual technique
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  Speaker 4: that their coaches will demand from them, and they will
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  Speaker 4: begin to learn some of those things so they when
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  Speaker 4: they go back to their respective places where they work out,
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  Speaker 4: they can start working on some of those things to
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  Speaker 4: put the sales in a position that when OTAs and
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  Speaker 4: those things kick off, they're better prepared to do it.
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  Speaker 4: This is one from an evaluator standpoint. You just want
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  Speaker 4: to make sure that everyone that you put on the field,
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  Speaker 4: and Ricky Minnicamp, they look like they belong, They don't
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  Speaker 4: look out of place, like the game is too big
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  Speaker 4: for them, whether it's their physical dimensions, their athleticism, their speed,
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  Speaker 4: their conditioning. Do they look like they're ready to at
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  Speaker 4: least compete in an NFL training camp with some of
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  Speaker 4: your notable draftees, your draft picks. Now you're beginning to
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  Speaker 4: kind of get that first exposure. You're trying to figure out, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: we drafted this guy. Does he look like he can
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  Speaker 4: fulfill some of the things that we talked about just
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  Speaker 4: moving around? And so for Brian Thomas Jr. Does he
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  Speaker 4: look like he has that those elite traits that you
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  Speaker 4: see from big time wide receivers, whether it's the height, weight, speed,
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  Speaker 4: whether it's the route running ability, catching the ball in space?
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  Speaker 4: Does he show some of those things? And a perfect world,
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  Speaker 4: when you're a scout, you want your draft picks to flash. Hey,
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  Speaker 4: show us some of the traits that led us to say, Hey,
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  Speaker 4: this guy needs.
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  Speaker 3: To be a Jaguar.
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  Speaker 4: If you get some of that, you close up your notebook,
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  Speaker 4: you walk into the office, and.
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  Speaker 3: You feel good about that initial exposure.
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  Speaker 4: If you don't get that, you worry a little bit,
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  Speaker 4: but you hope, hey, man, like the second time you
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  Speaker 4: come out, hopefully it's much better. Make sure you're ready,
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  Speaker 4: make sure you're working, make sure you understand what you're
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  Speaker 4: being asked to do to give yourself a chance to
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  Speaker 4: compete for a spot on this roster.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure I've asked you this before, but I love
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  Speaker 1: asking scouts this. Have you ever had the opposite feeling?
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  Speaker 1: I've had scouts tell me there's always that feeling when
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  Speaker 1: your guy, when you walk out there and after the
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  Speaker 1: first practice you're walking off going uh.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, no, it happens.
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  Speaker 2: Avoid feeling, though in your scouting it happens.
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  Speaker 4: It happens more time, more times than do you want
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  Speaker 4: it to. I remember in Seattle and look, this guy's
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  Speaker 4: going on to be an eighty maybe the Ady of
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  Speaker 4: Wisconsin associated Chris McIntosh was drafted early by the Seattle Seahawks.
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  Speaker 3: And you can just tell very very early and attend.
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  Speaker 4: You're like, oh this, this, this, this doesn't look good. Uh.
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  Speaker 4: You hope that the tide can can turn it in
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  Speaker 4: those things, but sometimes you yeah, sometimes it sometimes it
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  Speaker 4: happens like that. And that's why, Look, the draft is
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  Speaker 4: look is a crapshoot. As much as you think you
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  Speaker 4: may know about a prospect than the player you see them,
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  Speaker 4: watch all the tape, watch them work out of the combine.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes things are just different when they get on the
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  Speaker 4: NFL field with NFL bodies.
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  Speaker 3: In a different environment.
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  Speaker 4: So you hope that knock on wood, there are none
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  Speaker 4: of those candidates that show up in this rookie mini campuh,
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  Speaker 4: because you hate to make those swings uh and miss
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  Speaker 4: badging on a prospect is particularly when you've invested significant
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  Speaker 4: draft capital to bring a player that you anticipate playing
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  Speaker 4: a prominent role on your team.
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  Speaker 1: And you hate it for the kid too, you know,
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  Speaker 1: because they're here trying to It's not fun.
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  Speaker 4: It's not fun because players players also realize, because players
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  Speaker 4: will tell you before coaches and scouts can tell you
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  Speaker 4: the player.
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  Speaker 3: As a player, you can look around and and and
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  Speaker 3: know where you stack right.
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  Speaker 4: And for some of these guys, it'd be the first
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  Speaker 4: time that they've played with a team full of guys
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  Speaker 4: that was just as good, if not better than them.
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  Speaker 4: It can be a very humbling experience.
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  Speaker 3: But you got to go to work. You gotta go
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  Speaker 3: to work.
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  Speaker 4: You gotta believe yourself, but you got to put the
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  Speaker 4: time in and go to work and see if you
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  Speaker 4: can make it.
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  Speaker 3: Happen.
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  Speaker 2: Now one guy who doesn't fit.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about Jarvis Landry, who reported and he's going
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  Speaker 1: to try out. He'll be on a tryout basis. And
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  Speaker 1: this is a pretty common thing for older veterans to
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  Speaker 1: attend to try out. It's not every team every year
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  Speaker 1: does it, but it's it's common. Uh, he's a little
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  Speaker 1: bit on the high end, five time pro bowler. What's
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  Speaker 1: your take on? Just give me some thoughts on the
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  Speaker 1: Jarvis Landry situation this weekend.
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  Speaker 3: Very intriguing.
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  Speaker 4: I'm very intrigued by the prospect that Jarvis Landry coming
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  Speaker 4: through a rookie minicamp for the Jaguars. It means to
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  Speaker 4: me that Jarvis Landry is willing to humble himself to try.
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  Speaker 3: And work his way back into the league.
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  Speaker 4: It also tells me that the Jaguars have some interest
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  Speaker 4: in bringing him in if it goes well, and I'm
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  Speaker 4: anticipating that it will go well at Ricky Minicamp and
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  Speaker 4: the Jaguars sign up.
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  Speaker 3: I think he would.
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  Speaker 4: Be a very valuable commodity for this team as this
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  Speaker 4: team has continued to kind of make change over the
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  Speaker 4: locker room. Where you have more professionalism, you bring in
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  Speaker 4: more experience, more leadership ability, and maybe even a little
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  Speaker 4: edge when it comes to competitiveness.
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  Speaker 3: He checks off all those boxes.
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  Speaker 4: Jarvis Landry has that It's just a matter of one,
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  Speaker 4: how does he look given the injury history that he's
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  Speaker 4: had in the past. Two would he be willing to
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  Speaker 4: accept a lesser role than he's had in the past.
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  Speaker 3: Three Would he be a good fit in the locker room?
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  Speaker 4: When it comes to the chemistry and continuity, Having known him,
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  Speaker 4: having been around him, I don't think those issues are
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  Speaker 4: going to be a part of It is just a
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  Speaker 4: matter of how does he look and what's the comfort
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  Speaker 4: level that Doug Peterson and Trim Balky have with bring
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  Speaker 4: in an established veteran like him to play a complimentary
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  Speaker 4: role to a team that. Look, you already have some
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  Speaker 4: guys in plays Brian Thomas Junior gave Davis and those things.
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  Speaker 4: How does all of that fit with some of the
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  Speaker 4: other guys, Devin Duvernet and all that. But I think, man,
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  Speaker 4: you're always looking to get good players, particularly good players,
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  Speaker 4: and they're the right fit from a football character standpoint.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, if he understands the situation, it's it's hard to
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  Speaker 1: It's hard to see a negative beyond if you just
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  Speaker 1: got frustrated not being sort of the guy I mean,
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  Speaker 1: which at this point you would think that wouldn't be
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  Speaker 1: a problem.
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  Speaker 4: You think so, you know, but but look for him
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  Speaker 4: to get to this point, you had to leave have
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  Speaker 4: that conversation. You had to at least have a conversation
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  Speaker 4: with Walker and say why would you want to come
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  Speaker 4: play here?
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  Speaker 3: Why do you want to come back?
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  Speaker 4: Like, hey, we are already pretty situation. We got Christian
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  Speaker 4: Kirk is a number one, Evan Ingram. Those are the
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  Speaker 4: two top pass catches. We just signed Gabe Davis, We
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  Speaker 4: just drafted the guy. Are you sure you're comfortable coming
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  Speaker 4: here knowing that right now, at best you might be
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  Speaker 4: positioned to be the wide receiver for right you know.
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  Speaker 4: And so he had to say the right words to
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  Speaker 4: be able to make it happen where he comes the camp.
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  Speaker 4: And then it's a matter of you know, watching him
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  Speaker 4: the first couple of days and then Doug Peterson having.
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  Speaker 3: A one on one conversation and just trying to figure.
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  Speaker 4: Out, hey, where are you at, Like what is your mentality?
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  Speaker 4: Like what's your mindset? Like how do you feel that
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  Speaker 4: you can help us?
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  Speaker 3: You know?
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  Speaker 4: How how far are you away from being peak Jarvis
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  Speaker 4: Lander or can we get to that based on your injuries?
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  Speaker 4: So I think it's Look, I think it's one that is. Look,
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  Speaker 4: it could be a win win.
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  Speaker 3: For both parties, A win win for the team and
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  Speaker 3: for Jarvis Lander, because I think he would be a
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  Speaker 3: nice fit on this team.
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  Speaker 4: In the locker room, and I think he has some
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  Speaker 4: value particularly late in the year when this team is
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  Speaker 4: making a playoff push.
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  Speaker 3: I think he could come through with some big plays.
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  Speaker 1: Final topic for you, I go to a break is
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  Speaker 1: a time of year, and I think it's it's a
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  Speaker 1: valid topic for this team this year, the thought of
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  Speaker 1: maybe maybe making one or two more roster moves sometime
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  Speaker 1: between now and the end of training camp. People have
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  Speaker 1: talked about maybe a corner, maybe an edge rusher. Those
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  Speaker 1: are always sort of the spots they talk about this
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  Speaker 1: time of year. What I'm curious about from you, Bucky,
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  Speaker 1: how do teams sort of decide that and what's the
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  Speaker 1: what's the process of it. There's more to it than
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  Speaker 1: just saying, Hey, I'm going to sign a guy. Do
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  Speaker 1: teams sort of say to players, hey, we're interested in
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  Speaker 1: this position. We know that you're not quite ready to sign.
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  Speaker 1: Some guys don't want to sign immediately. How do those
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  Speaker 1: conversations work?
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  Speaker 4: So those conversations, you begin to start the dialogue with
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  Speaker 4: the veteran players that you're interested in bringing down the line.
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  Speaker 4: Whether it's training camp, whether that's like before training camp,
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  Speaker 4: whether that's he this may be a guy that we
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  Speaker 4: get to week three or four in camp, we may
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  Speaker 4: want to consider what you're doing. And it's funny because
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  Speaker 4: as you talked about Ricky minicamps and like the other
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  Speaker 4: mini camps whatever. But sometimes John, that first exposure can
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  Speaker 4: change how a team feels.
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  Speaker 3: About their depth situation.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, ah man, we're looking at these other Maybe we
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  Speaker 4: need a veteran presence. Maybe we need someone that has
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  Speaker 4: had some PILs on the wall and the defensive backfield.
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  Speaker 4: Let's let's have a veteran as a ready guy. Maybe
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  Speaker 4: this is a guy that not only is a veteran,
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  Speaker 4: a guy that is a candidate to come in for
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  Speaker 4: training camp. Maybe he's someone we stash away on the
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  Speaker 4: practice squad all year just in case edge rusher.
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  Speaker 3: Do we have enough edge rush? Do we have enough firepower?
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  Speaker 4: There's one thing to talk about, how Ryanilson wants to
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  Speaker 4: play it's another thing to now let's get on the
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  Speaker 4: field and let's actually evaluate the bodies.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, we need to get more bodies.
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  Speaker 4: And are these guys viable candidates to make rosters or
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  Speaker 4: are they just camp fillers where you have enough to
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  Speaker 4: provide the depth through camp. It's a conversation that you know,
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  Speaker 4: as a general manager and the personnel.
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  Speaker 3: Stuff you're always going through.
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  Speaker 4: You're trying to set yourself up to have the best
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  Speaker 4: training camp roster that you can have so that it
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  Speaker 4: becomes a very competitive situation, in a situation where teams
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  Speaker 4: want to pluck out from your roster because you really
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  Speaker 4: got a good job of assembling a collection of talent.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about where those moves might come, but
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  Speaker 1: first we're gonna take a break on the Huddle Up Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome back to the second half of this
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  Speaker 1: week's Uddle Up Podcast. I'm John Osier sebbing in for
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  Speaker 1: JP Shatterick. We're always joined by Bucky Brooks in this segment.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a little worried about it, frankly, Bucky, because I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna give you a chance to consolidate an even more
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  Speaker 1: power on this podcast, which is hard because it's already yours.
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  Speaker 2: Your name's already on it.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm gonna do what I usually do, which is
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  Speaker 1: answer questions from the fans. I'm gonna take some out
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  Speaker 1: of my mail bag and let you answer them, which
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  Speaker 1: means I don't know. Pretty soon you'll be doing my job, which, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 1: that's what won't.
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  Speaker 2: Be hard on.
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  Speaker 1: You'll make even more money though, and it's hard to believe,
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  Speaker 1: but certainly within your reach. So Bucky gets even more
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  Speaker 1: powerful is the name of this segment, and the first
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  Speaker 1: question would be, Bucky, this, what position? Sort of getting
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  Speaker 1: back to what we were talking about, right for the break?
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  Speaker 1: What position would you leave alone? What are you good with?
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  Speaker 1: And which one are you concerned about enough to maybe
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  Speaker 1: tweak before the I guess for training camp starts.
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  Speaker 3: I feel good about the offensive line.
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  Speaker 4: I feel good about the offensive line just based on
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  Speaker 4: the veteran players, the players that would come over if
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  Speaker 4: I had it would just be more so for depth,
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  Speaker 4: I feel good about like the too deep at that position.
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  Speaker 4: I have concerns still about the edge rusher position. I
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  Speaker 4: think if there was a veteran out there, I would
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  Speaker 4: try to throw one more gay into the mix. I
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  Speaker 4: know last year Trayvon Walker and Josh Allen did a
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  Speaker 4: really good job of kind of being available the entire year,
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  Speaker 4: logged a lot of snaps. I think in this league
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  Speaker 4: you need to have a third guy that can come
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  Speaker 4: in and give you some of that sack production, because
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  Speaker 4: it also will give you a chance to kick Trayvon
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  Speaker 4: Walker down and maybe he can be one of those
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  Speaker 4: sub package rushers on the interior. So I would say,
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  Speaker 4: trying to see if there's an available pass rusher that
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  Speaker 4: can come and help the team, that is always a
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  Speaker 4: viable option.
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  Speaker 3: It's always a place of concern.
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  Speaker 1: My experience around edge rushers, and I guess a lot
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  Speaker 1: of veterans are like this, but mainly edge rushers and receivers.
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  Speaker 2: You get a little bit into the.
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  Speaker 1: Diva category there a little bit. And when I say
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  Speaker 1: that there may be the guy who doesn't really think
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: that they need to be there in May, but can
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: come in and training camp in August, I'm exaggerating. It's
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: not a fair stereotype, but that exists. Is that sort
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: of a thing for edge rushers, And I guess what
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: I'm getting at in the question is it seems like
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: that's a spot where if you wait until camp and
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: pick up a guy. The guy doesn't need to know
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: that much about your scheme that he needs to be
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: here during OTAs. It's pretty much ce passer, get passer.
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: Uh that is Look, that's that's something that is a
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: very real deal and it's one of the things that
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: you have to talk about with your team. Hey, we're
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: can bring this veteran in. He's Look, he doesn't want
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: to really go through all of the training camp stuff.
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: When is the drop dead date for us to sign
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: him to get him ready for week one? Is that
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: two weeks out? Is that three weeks out? When do
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: we need to have this conversation to.
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: Bring him in? And look, man, I think you're correct.
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: The position is a bit of a deep a position,
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: but it also is a position that doesn't require as
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: much schematic coaching. You still have to be taught, you know,
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: hand rushed ability, passed to pass, hand and hand combat
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: all that stuff, but pass rush is one of the
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: easier ones that you can just kind of line up
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: a guy off the street and kind of go if
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: he has like premiere talent, Right, this is a situation
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: where yeah, this is a situation where you're looking, you're
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: trying to figure out like who's available, and then just
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: all right, we're good, we're gonna sign up, We're gonn
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: bring them in. And normally it's a veteran who you've
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: got to kick kick dust off of needs a little
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: time to shake off the russ and then they.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: Can kind of come in and make some place.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: This next one is from uh Sean from oak Leaf.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Would you say the Jaguars have more depth than last year?
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Less or about the same? And I kind of said
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: this bucket, you know, I said, probably a little more.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Uh in some spot.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: I think they're deeper on the offensive line, deeper into
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: spots you like corner, not sure about. My only concern
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: with depth is uh A. It's a little bit of
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: a myth in the NFL because if you have if
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: you have one or two positions, if you have one
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: two players position get hurt, then it's pretty much Katie
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: bar the door. Nobody can really withstand that. Uh. And
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: you know, is it we thought they had depth last
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: year and they didn't. We didn't think they had depth
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, and they have two injuries on
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: the offensive line and withstand it. So it's sort of
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: about who gets hurt rather than specific depth. They didn't
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: ever replace them. For Christian Kirk, it didn't matter how
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: deep they thought they were at receiver. So it's sort
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: of a tough question to answer in the broad element, right.
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: It is a tough question to answer in a broad element,
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: but it's one that you want to consistently ask because you.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: Want to get better.
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: You want to get better at those places, and the
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: job of the gender manager is to continue to turn
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: the bottom third or the roster to make sure that
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: your depth is at a look it can compete at
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: a high level.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: And so that means you have creatitive and you have
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: competitive battles.
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: To see who gets the jersey in terms of being
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: able to play on Sunday, and you want to bring
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: in players that can do that.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: We've talked about, you know, whether it'say edge rusher, whether it's.
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: Are wide out or whatever, like just the importance of
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: having the steady eddy player that may need minimal.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: Rest but they can play in a pinch. It's hard
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: to find those guys.
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: It's easy to say, oh, we're just signed a vetterment,
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: but it's harder to find those guys that are willing
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: to take that role.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: And crush that role.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: I guess they got rid of Photocosi and brought in Armstead,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: So they're not really that much quote deeper on the
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: defensive line, but they feel deeper on the front seven,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: don't they.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: They're better. Yeah, let's call it what it is. They're
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: more talented, they're better, they have better fits.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: I think we feel more confident about the football character
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: the guys that are here in terms of they're gonna
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: be energizer bunnies. They're gonna play hard, they're gonna do
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: all the things that you expect pros to do when
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: it comes to it. I believe, and we've talked about
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: this on the part previously, Doug Peterson made a concerted
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: effort to upgrade the professionalism amongst this team, meaning that
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: everybody that is here and on this team they're about ball.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: Ball is important. They're willing to do the extra stuff.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: You're not begging people to come in to work out.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: And do all this other stuff.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: The other thing that comes along with the professionalism, to me,
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: I think toughness. I think you go see a tougher
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: team and it's hard to imagine an offensive minded coach
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: a guy who's former quarterback who wants the offense to
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: throw it around, throw it all over the yard, to
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: want a team that has an edge. But when you
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: look at his Philly team, they won because they were
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: very edgy on defense.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: And is this possible that two things can be true.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: You're gonna have an explosive offense and you're gonna have
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: a nasty defense.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: It requires you being very intentional about.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: How you want that defense to play and how you
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: want that defense to carry themselves.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: It's a good analogy. It does feel and I'm probably
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: getting this from you. You said it a few times.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: It feels like, you know, good seasons the first two seasons,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: nine win seasons. But it felt like Doug after this
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: season looked at it and said, you know, it just
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: doesn't have that edge that I like.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Maybe he thought they might have it after the first year.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Wasn't quite sure because they had the nice comeback at
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: the end of the season, and then all of a
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: sudden in the second season. You know, I'm not saying
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: he didn't like that team. You know, it's way too strong,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: but I think he saw things where, yeah, you know what,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: we should just be a little better there, and that
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: you know, so I definitely see what you're talking about.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: He definitely tried to make it a little more in
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: that image of just, hey, at some point, you guys,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: you got to go win the game. And yeah, at
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: the end of the season, they didn't quite have that.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: No, they didn't quite They didn't quite have that, and
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: they didn't have the toughness, the mental and physical toughness
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: that you need to compete at a high level. When
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: you're sitting at eight and three and you fall apart
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: down the stretch, what you're hoping for is you're hoping
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: that someone will kind of grab the bull bout of
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: horns and kind of right the ship. And it doesn't
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: have to be a person playing hero ball, but it
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: has to be someone that has the ability to galvanize
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: the unit and get the unit directed on the right path.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: And we didn't necessarily seem that. And not only is
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: a team by think, but it even breaks down in
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: your position groups, to your your your units, where your.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Offensive, defensive, special team units. You have to have those
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: kind of leaders to be able to do it.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: And so in talking about what you talked about, our
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: guys sitting and contemplating signings, some people, yes, but it
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: happened right on the eve of training. Can to give
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: those guys a chance to kind of learn the system
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: and make the team and.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: What you're talking about, it's a hard thing to define,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: but it's critical to have. So it's a weird thing
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: to try to bring on. You almost have to see it.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: It's almost in a you know it when you see
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: it kind of thing.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: So the last question, and it kind of circles back
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: to what we talked about a couple times at the
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: top about depth about the offensive line, Paul from Lake City,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Florida writes, does a veteran center and a fourth rounder
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: meaning Javon Foster, really change our line all that much?
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: The offensive line? I see a line that is one
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: or two injuries away from being ineffective again, and I'll
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: get out of the way. But I'll one thought, Bucky,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: to me, every team in the NFL once eight offensive
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: lineman that can play. Most teams are trying to find five.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: So offensive line depth is a bit of a myth.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: I think this team's okay depth wise, but talk about
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: that because you mentioned the offensive line, and it's still
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: a question I get over and over and over again.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Why didn't they do more. Why didn't they do more?
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Ezra Cleveland to me is basically a new signing.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: You know, he didn't.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: I think we really saw what he was at the
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: end of last year and Mitch Morse and Javon Foster.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: That's not an overhaul. But that's a pretty big commitment,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: is it not.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: Ye? No, No, it's a big commitment and it's a
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: huge commitment.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: And I think everyone has to understand because it is
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: always funny when we look at the center position and
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: we don't want to give it like a marquee name
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: or marquee title, but we've seen when you don't have
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: a dominant center, it is hard to win games. When
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: your center has struggles, whether it's the snap location or
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: just being able to hold his own in one on
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: one blocks, it is.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Hard to move the football.
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: So Mitch Morris coming over like a gray beard, experienced
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: player who previously played under the Peterson for a little bit.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: He gives them that veteran experience that he gives them
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: the consistent player.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: That has played really well for the you know, at
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: the position for a long time. It really works.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: And you couple that with what they have and Cam
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: Robinson as Cleveland Brendan Sheriff kind of being scrappy, and
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: the Anthoine Harrison. Look, this should be a very solid
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: offensive line, and yeah, I mean a very solid offense line.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: If they can just control the line of scrimmage and.
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: Eventually impose their will on the defense, this offense will
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: hit thirty points per game because they need to be
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: able to run it enough to dictate what they want
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: to do in the passing game.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Wow, thrown out that thirty points again, that's what he
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: did last year.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: I said, yeah, but I'm saying if I got more
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: quantifiers than there, if they protect him, if this, if that,
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: there's a lot of ifs in that, we may settle
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: in at twenty six per but the fire prior is
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: there where they can make big things.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: As a matter of stand true.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so much of it is you've got to be
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: able to run when you want to run. And that
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: opened so many other things up. To me, that's the
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: key that they couldn't do and it bogged everything down.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: And that's again to me about fixing the interior, which
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: I think they hope they did. So all right, that
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: is this week's edition of the Huddle Up Podcast. Thank you, Bucky, Brooks, JP, Shadick.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Everybody hopes or they praise will be back next week.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: I'm John Oser Bucky, Thanks again and we'll see you
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: next week.