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Man meets teen girl through online game site, lures her out of Tennessee home to his mom's Wisconsin basement · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: was a very loving, very bubbly. She stole the spotlight
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Speaker 1: out of the room. I mean she really really did.
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Speaker 1: As beautiful as she looks, that's how her soul was.
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Speaker 1: It's very beautiful. You guys aren't getting out home. I'd
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Speaker 1: just like to please anybody knows anything, please come forward.
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Speaker 1: Help with the investigation. No lead is too small. We
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Speaker 1: cannot rest and until we know something about her Savannah,
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Speaker 1: Please come home, Savannah. For sure it is. It's not
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Speaker 1: an unimaginable to tell you how it feels to lose
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Speaker 1: one of yours. Right, his heart was ripped out. That's
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Speaker 1: her stepfather. Well now he's charged with rape, but that's
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Speaker 1: not the end. Listen. According to court documents, that Tennessee
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Speaker 1: team was found behind these walls, inside a closet. I
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Speaker 1: was shocked. If you want to know the truth, people
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Speaker 1: in this quiet Northeast Madison neighborhood are beside themselves. You're
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Speaker 1: here on the news. You never think it's going to
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Speaker 1: be right across the street near Alice. Tim Rowe is
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Speaker 1: stunned after learning investigators found a missing Tennessee girl in
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Speaker 1: this house just feet away from his own. Didn't all
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Speaker 1: the kid was over there, the girl at all? According
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Speaker 1: to court documents, investigators found the team inside this home
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Speaker 1: on Basil Drive. When the FBI arrived, Rogers's mother opened
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Speaker 1: the door. Minutes later, they found the girl inside. Julie
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Speaker 1: Mueller lives across the street too. Oh my god, Oh
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Speaker 1: my god, that poor girl. I mean, it's very unnerving.
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Speaker 1: We knocked to see if Rogers's mother was home, Miss Roger,
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Speaker 1: but got no answer. Neighbors are now skeptical about how
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Speaker 1: much she knew. I mean, here's a girl woman with
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Speaker 1: this young girl in the house, not asking any questions,
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Speaker 1: not going to the police, having to have the police
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Speaker 1: find them, a man facing years in prison, and a
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Speaker 1: neighborhood shocked and wanting answers. I'm Nancy Grace. This is
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories, thank you for being with us. Rapidly developing
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Speaker 1: the case. A little girl, Savannah Pruett, who goes missing
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Speaker 1: out of her home. They had only been living there
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Speaker 1: for four weeks in Madisville, Tennessee, moving from Lawrenceville, Georgia,
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Speaker 1: so she could have more land for her animals. And
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Speaker 1: then they wake up in the morning. The little sister
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Speaker 1: says she's gone. The window sash ripped, the screen, ripped,
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Speaker 1: her bedsheets, taken the father. The stepfather, who swears his
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Speaker 1: heart has been ripped from him, is now charl with rape.
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Speaker 1: But where's Savannah. Then out of the blue, we find
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Speaker 1: out Detective Jason Phil y'all, who is with us right now,
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Speaker 1: is heading to Wisconsin. He brings the girl home. Now
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Speaker 1: a string of arrist I don't get it before I
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Speaker 1: go to Detective Phil y'all Robin Olinsky, Crime online dot
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Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter. What happened, Well, Nancy detectives had a
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Speaker 1: really good lead, and that is that her phone was
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Speaker 1: pinging in Kentucky, about one hundred and fifty miles north
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Speaker 1: of the house. And then you know, the FBI joined
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Speaker 1: the case and law enforcements started looking for her, and
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Speaker 1: her picture was on your website on crime online, and
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Speaker 1: people started seeing who this fourteen year old, extremely attractive
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Speaker 1: teenager was, and people started looking for her, and the
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Speaker 1: next thing you know, she turns up in Wisconsin. You
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Speaker 1: could didn't even make this story up. No, you really couldn't.
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Speaker 1: With me right now, Detective Jason phill jall, he is
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Speaker 1: with the Monroe County, Tennessee Sheriff's Department, and I want
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Speaker 1: to speak to him now because I've got a funny
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Speaker 1: feeling there's going to be a gag order put on
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Speaker 1: this case and he won't be able to say another word.
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Speaker 1: Detective Phil y'all, I can't thank you enough for being
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Speaker 1: with us. To me, it was a miracle that she
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Speaker 1: was found plus so far away. Is it true that
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Speaker 1: you went to Wisconsin on a plane to bring Savannah home. Yes, ma'am,
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Speaker 1: And you did, in fact bring her home? Is that correct?
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Speaker 1: I did. We got home led Saturday evening, and she
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Speaker 1: was she reunited with her mother. She's not at this time.
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Speaker 1: She's actually with the Department Children's Services due to everything
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Speaker 1: surrounding the investigation, so that she can receive counseling and
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Speaker 1: therapy to help her kind of deal with what took place.
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Speaker 1: To Cheryl McCollum, director of the Cold Case Research Institute,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to bring in my other guests in just
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Speaker 1: a moment. Cheryl. That's not uncommon because if there is
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Speaker 1: any allegation at all of the molestation in the home
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Speaker 1: by the father, the stepfather, the brother, whoever it may be,
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Speaker 1: they got to look long and hard at the mom
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Speaker 1: because she was there, So why didn't she do anything
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Speaker 1: to stop it? Maybe she didn't know. I don't know
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Speaker 1: the answer to that, but I'm not surprised Savannah is
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Speaker 1: not with her mother. No, that's the right. Paul, Nancy
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Speaker 1: and the detectives have done a remarkable job in this case,
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Speaker 1: and what they've got right now is a parallel investigation.
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Speaker 1: They're going to continue the investigation in the stepfather with
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Speaker 1: the rape allegation and now they have another separate investigation
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Speaker 1: with this person that met Savannah online and offenially kidnapped her.
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Speaker 1: You know, I want to circle back to that, Detective
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Speaker 1: feel y'all. I feel like I'm drinking from the fire Hydra.
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Speaker 1: There's just so much to cover. The big news is
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Speaker 1: the headline is Savannah is alive. But then we hear
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Speaker 1: her stepfather who was going on and on and on
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Speaker 1: about his heart being ripped out when she went missing.
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Speaker 1: He's charged with rape. Now I understand you're not going
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Speaker 1: to tell me who the rape victim is, and I
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Speaker 1: accept that, and I'm moving forward. Detective Phil, y'all, who
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Speaker 1: in the hay are these people where she allegedly was
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Speaker 1: being kept. Don't know much about him at this point.
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Speaker 1: The authorities in Wisconsin are taking that case or that
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Speaker 1: end of it, and the federal authorities are, you know,
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Speaker 1: doing the charging and actually, like I said, taking that investigation. Well, then,
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, director to the Cold Case Research Institute, you
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Speaker 1: said that she was lured online. This is a very
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Speaker 1: quiet and shy girl, Savannah Pruett, rather be with her
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Speaker 1: little animals and her pets. So what do we understand happens. Cheryl.
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Speaker 1: She meets this guy online who's like thirty years old
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Speaker 1: while they're playing a game Roadblocks, Roadblocks. You know what
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Speaker 1: that is, Cheryl? Or your children too old? Do you
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Speaker 1: know what Roadblocks is? I mean, I know that it's
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Speaker 1: an online game. I don't know what the premise of
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Speaker 1: it is, but I know that's how they met and
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Speaker 1: were able to communicate. And after only a week, she
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Speaker 1: feels comfortable enough with this man to make an outcry
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Speaker 1: that she's being sexually assaulted. So he decides, Hey, I
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Speaker 1: need to help her. I guess, but I need proofs,
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Speaker 1: so send me a video of the sexual assault, which
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Speaker 1: she does. Then he travels from Wisconsin to Tennessee to
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Speaker 1: pick her up. So this man, thirty something years old
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Speaker 1: travels over fourteen hundred miles to pick this child up
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Speaker 1: she's a child, and then keep her at his home
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Speaker 1: where he lives with his mother for three weeks. When
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Speaker 1: Lawod Boordsman asked him, he denied knowing her. So my understanding,
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Speaker 1: my understanding is she was being hidden in a closet
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Speaker 1: in the home. Detective Jason Phil y'all, is that the
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Speaker 1: report you received? That is the report I received? You
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Speaker 1: know what. That scares me so much. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if you guys remember the name Jessica Lunsford. I always
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Speaker 1: called her the girl in the Pink Hat. I know
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Speaker 1: you remember her. Robin Wilinski, Robin the Girl in the
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Speaker 1: Pink Hat. Jessica Lunsford was in home Assassa, Florida, and
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Speaker 1: a guy kept her hidden in a closet. After he
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Speaker 1: abducted her. She ended up being buried alive. Okay, do
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Speaker 1: you remember that name, Jessica Lunsford. Yeah, I do. And
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Speaker 1: it's so sad because when you think of her picture
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Speaker 1: and her smiley and how lovely she was, and she
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Speaker 1: was also hidden, you know, like some sort of prisoner.
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Speaker 1: You know. She was about the same age as Savannah
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Speaker 1: Pruett was. She lured for purposes of sex trafficking. A
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Speaker 1: fourteen year old little girl who cared about nothing but
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Speaker 1: her pets and her family states away to be hidden
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Speaker 1: in a closet. Brian David Rogers was now facing a
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Speaker 1: federal child exploitation charge. Specifically, he's accused of persuading a
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Speaker 1: minor to engage in sexually explicit conduct in order to
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Speaker 1: produce a visual depiction of that conduct and then transporting
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Speaker 1: that minor across state lines. Now today we obtained a
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Speaker 1: federal criminal complaint against Rogers. In it, it claims Rogers
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Speaker 1: told the FBI he had come into contact with the
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Speaker 1: team through the online video game Roadblocks, Rogers claiming that
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Speaker 1: the girl who told him he was being molested. At first,
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Speaker 1: Rogers told agents the two had never met in person.
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Speaker 1: Then later agents went to the home where Rogers lived
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Speaker 1: with his mother. They found the team hiding in a closet.
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Speaker 1: After his arrest, the documents show Rogers admitting that he
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Speaker 1: told the team to get a video of the alleged
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Speaker 1: rape and admitted to driving to Tennessee to pick up
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Speaker 1: the girl. Those court documents include records of chatting between
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Speaker 1: the two Rogers outlining how to get the video, the
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Speaker 1: team reluctant to get that video and pleading with Rogers
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Speaker 1: for help, and a grim paragraph in the document does
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Speaker 1: show that officers found a video on Roger's computer showing
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Speaker 1: an adult man apparently having sex with that team. You
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Speaker 1: were hearing our friend, Gabrielle Pagan a Wate reporting it's
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Speaker 1: almost too much for me to take in. We have
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Speaker 1: an all star panel with us today to take to
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Speaker 1: Jason phill You off for the Monroa County, Tennessee Sheriff's Department.
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, Director of the Coal Case Research Institute, Karen Smith,
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Speaker 1: forensics expert, family lawyer, Kathleen Murphy, psychologist Karen Stark, and
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Speaker 1: joining me right now, Robin Willinski, Crime Online dot com
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter and author of Beautiful Life CSI Behind the
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Speaker 1: Casey Anthony Case on Amazon. Ro Roadblocks is a massively
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Speaker 1: multiplayer game and it's online, and it's a platform that
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Speaker 1: allows is the users to design their own games and
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Speaker 1: play all different types of games. And if you look
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Speaker 1: at it, the characters look like Lego characters. It's very popular.
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Speaker 1: My son has played it. Of course, I'm hanging over
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Speaker 1: his shoulder the whole time. I don't know how he
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Speaker 1: has a good time, because I'm like, who is that?
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Speaker 1: Who is that? You know who that really is? That's
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Speaker 1: probably some sixty year old man and in New Jersey
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Speaker 1: claiming he's a nine year old all right. Does that
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Speaker 1: take the fun out of it for you, John David,
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Speaker 1: Because it's taken the fun out of it for me.
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Speaker 1: You don't really know exactly who you're playing with. Roadblocks,
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Speaker 1: but it's a lot of fun and kids love it.
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Speaker 1: So Robin Lensky dummy down for me, okay, because so
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Speaker 1: many things have happened in the last days regarding missing
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Speaker 1: fourteen year old Savannah Pruett. So it starts with her
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Speaker 1: missing from her bedroom with the windows screen slashed open.
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Speaker 1: Upon questioning, I discover it was slashed most likely from
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Speaker 1: the inside out. She's gone, her cell phone's ping in Kentucky.
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Speaker 1: Then after much broadcasting, we find out she's in Wisconsin. Now,
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Speaker 1: what is this business about the video? Robin, Well, the
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Speaker 1: thing is that she was playing this game with this
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Speaker 1: guy and she apparently trusted him or he gained her
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Speaker 1: trust and his thing and she confides in him, oh,
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Speaker 1: by the way, I'm being sexually assaulted by my stepfather.
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Speaker 1: And he's like, yeah, right, well, let me see a
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Speaker 1: video of that. I need proof, I need evidence. So
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Speaker 1: at first, what's fourteen year old traumatized by the sec
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Speaker 1: act to begin with, is totally traumatized, and it's like, well,
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Speaker 1: I'm not too sure I'm going to do this, But
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Speaker 1: then he insists that he needs the evidence, and so
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Speaker 1: sure enough, she records this horrendous act on the phone
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Speaker 1: as the proof oh Man, Okay Detector Jason fill y'all
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Speaker 1: Monroe County, Tennessee Sheriff's Department. He has been on the
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Speaker 1: case from the beginning, Detective Phil y'all. So she vanishes
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Speaker 1: in the middle of the night. That's one of the
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Speaker 1: things you and I discussed. How does a girl out
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Speaker 1: in the middle of a rural area and Massiville, Tennessee,
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Speaker 1: get all the way to Wisconsin or at that point
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Speaker 1: we didn't know where she was. How does she get
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Speaker 1: to Kentucky for her phone to pay before it's turned
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Speaker 1: off or goes dead. She certainly didn't walk, She didn't
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Speaker 1: take an uber or a lift or a cab. So
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Speaker 1: who took her? That was the big question. And you
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Speaker 1: and your team sifted through two thousand p ages of
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Speaker 1: data digital data. Is that where you learned about Rogers,
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Speaker 1: the guy in Wisconsin? Yes? Yeah, we were able to
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Speaker 1: locate some of her email history, and through her email history,
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Speaker 1: we were able to backtrack to Rogers and see where
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Speaker 1: actually he had come to our area on the early
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Speaker 1: early morning hours. So, um, I'm assuming, and you don't
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Speaker 1: have to answer. I don't want you to hurt the
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Speaker 1: integrity of the investigation that you got that from texts,
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Speaker 1: emails or pings on his phone. Any of them may
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Speaker 1: have been placing him in her area. And there you
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Speaker 1: have it. You just have to follow the trail. I
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Speaker 1: know you want to answer this, Detective, Cheryl McCollum. It's
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Speaker 1: Rogers charged with sex exploitation right now. He's charged with kidnappings.
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Speaker 1: More charges will come, Nancy. Here's the thing about this guy.
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Speaker 1: He's thirty and he's always his game and he's able
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Speaker 1: to communicate with a child and get her to confide
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Speaker 1: in him something as private as molestation from a stepfather.
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Speaker 1: He gets her to use an encrypted way of sending
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Speaker 1: text messages. He acted when he thought he could go
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Speaker 1: and get her. He's a predator and there will be
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Speaker 1: more evidence on his computer of child pornography and other
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Speaker 1: people than he has contacted. He's a dangerous guy. Well,
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Speaker 1: bottom line to Kathleen Murphy, family lawyer out of North Carolina.
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Speaker 1: In order to quote get the evidence, he had her
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Speaker 1: submit to another rape by her stepfather in order to
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Speaker 1: get the evidence because she's telling him my stepfather and
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Speaker 1: I'm deducing this my stepfather is molesting me. And he's like,
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Speaker 1: really prove it. In order to prove it, she has
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Speaker 1: to submit to another rape and video it. Now his
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Speaker 1: argument is going to be, well, I wanted the evidence. Well,
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Speaker 1: my question is, as soon as he got the girl
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Speaker 1: out of the home, as soon as he got the video,
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Speaker 1: why did he go straight to police? Why did he
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Speaker 1: hide her in his closet? Kathleen Murphy, Not only did
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Speaker 1: he not go straight to the police, Nancy, after he
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Speaker 1: enjoyed watching that video because he's a sicko. His excuse was,
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Speaker 1: I did not think the police would believe me. What
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Speaker 1: what the police would believe him? Cheryl McCollum, Hello, did
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Speaker 1: you know That's what his excuse was. I didn't think
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Speaker 1: police would believe you know what I would have given
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Speaker 1: in gold if I had had it when I was
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Speaker 1: a prosecutor to have a video of anything. We never
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Speaker 1: had videos of anything. This was on video, yep. And Nancy,
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Speaker 1: not only did he not go to the police, he
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Speaker 1: didn't go to a doctor. He didn't go to a
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Speaker 1: social worker, didn't go to a friend. He didn't call
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Speaker 1: your show and ask for advice. He did not try
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Speaker 1: to help her in any way. He wasn't helping her.
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Speaker 1: He was grooming her to Detective Jason Phill y'all with
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Speaker 1: a Monroe County, Tennessee Sheriff's Department detective. Is he charged
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Speaker 1: with sex assault on Savannah the Rogers individual. Yes, not
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Speaker 1: at this time because at this time we don't have
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Speaker 1: any evidence to support that. Detective have all of his
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Speaker 1: computers and devices now being seized by the Feds. Yes.
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Speaker 1: Do you believe there's a possibility he was looking at
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Speaker 1: other child porn as well and soliciting it from other children? Oh?
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Speaker 1: I believe that there's definitely a possibility of that a possibility.
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Speaker 1: And again, of course, go ahead. There's more to this
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Speaker 1: story than we found out so far on his end. Man,
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Speaker 1: you're not kidding. And again, let me just say he's
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Speaker 1: innocent until proven guilty, and all of this is just
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Speaker 1: allegations until it's proven in a court of law. And
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Speaker 1: detect to feel y'all is not commenting in any way
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Speaker 1: on the evidence. So to Cheryl McCollum, what do you
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Speaker 1: expect we're going to find in mister David Rogers computer
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Speaker 1: child porn, child porn, child porn. And I'll tell you
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Speaker 1: something else, Nancy. They've got to make sure that the
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Speaker 1: videos she sent him he had not distributed. I have
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Speaker 1: the truth crime stories with Nancy Grace. According to the
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Speaker 1: criminal complaint, Rogers had been speaking with that teenager for
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Speaker 1: weeks through an online game, Facebook and an encrypted messaging app.
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Speaker 1: She told him that her adopted father had been sexually
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Speaker 1: assaulting her for years before he went to pick her up.
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Speaker 1: The criminal complaint says Rogers asked the girl to make
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Speaker 1: a video of the sexual assault and send it to him.
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Speaker 1: Prosecutors say the teen recorded her father sexually assaulting her
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Speaker 1: and emailed it to him. This afternoon, Rogers appeared before
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Speaker 1: a federal judge on charges of producing child pornography. The
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Speaker 1: prosecutor says she's considering a second charge of illegally taking
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Speaker 1: the team across state lines, and says she'll make a
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Speaker 1: decision before he faces a grand jury later this month.
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Speaker 1: Because of the weight, the defense can ask to hear
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Speaker 1: the evidence against him at a probable cause hearing later
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Speaker 1: this week. His attorney refused to answer this and many
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Speaker 1: other questions about how Rogers and his family are responding
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Speaker 1: to this charge. Have you made a decision yet on
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Speaker 1: whether or not you'll have a probable cause hearing. His
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Speaker 1: next court appearance will be this Thursday, where he'll have
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Speaker 1: a detention hearing as well as that possible probable cause hearing.
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Speaker 1: He isn't expected to appear before a grand jury until
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Speaker 1: the twentieth. That's when they'll decide whether or not there
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Speaker 1: is enough evidence for this case to move forward. You're
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Speaker 1: hearing w KOW reporter Michelle Alpheni earlier KOW reporter Hunter
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Speaker 1: signs as they're reporting on the very latest in the
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Speaker 1: disappearance and the discovery of a fourteen year old girl.
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Speaker 1: Turns out she's been playing roadblocks online with some guy.
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Speaker 1: I bet she didn't know how old he was, up
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Speaker 1: in his thirties. She confides to him her stepfather is
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Speaker 1: molesting her. He says, prove it, send me a video.
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Speaker 1: She reluctantly does that. He comes all the way eleven
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Speaker 1: hour drive each way to Tennessee, gets her in the
22:50
Speaker 1: dead of night, takes her out of the homes she's
22:52
Speaker 1: found hiding in a or hidden in a closet in Wisconsin.
22:58
Speaker 1: David Rogers is the guy on rob blocks, has lived
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Speaker 1: with his mother, and remember the stepfather was saying things like, um,
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Speaker 1: it's like having my soul ripped out of my body.
23:10
Speaker 1: That she's gone. You can't think, you can't eat, you
23:13
Speaker 1: can't sleep, you can't rest. Life has just ceased for
23:16
Speaker 1: us since she left those are a few of the
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Speaker 1: statements that he made. My big question to you, Detective
23:24
Speaker 1: Jason phill y'all joining us who went and brought Savannah
23:28
Speaker 1: home from Wisconsin. The stepdad is behind bars, Randall Pruett.
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Speaker 1: Is the mother visiting him? No, we haven't. Haven't been
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Speaker 1: up here since the day. Is she cooperating? Is she
23:45
Speaker 1: cooperating with the investigation at this time? She is? You know,
23:51
Speaker 1: I'm very curious, Cheryl McCollum, because of all the cases
23:55
Speaker 1: I ever prosecuted, I never had a single mother side
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Speaker 1: with the child, and all those so many cases in
24:05
Speaker 1: the thousands, I cannot even count them. Never once did
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Speaker 1: the mother believe the child. Never, Cheryl, Nancy, this mom
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Speaker 1: has got some questions she needs to answer for law enforcement.
24:16
Speaker 1: Obviously she's got other children, but this child was the
24:21
Speaker 1: only one home schools. Why this child obviously was being
24:26
Speaker 1: harmed inside the home. If she didn't know it, how
24:30
Speaker 1: did she miss it? Those are things she's got to
24:32
Speaker 1: be able to answer. The other thing for me, Nancy,
24:35
Speaker 1: is when the mother was making her outcrial TV, she
24:39
Speaker 1: would go back and forth with you know, past tense
24:44
Speaker 1: and it seems like to me she believed this child
24:48
Speaker 1: could have been harmed to the point she was killed.
24:52
Speaker 1: Why would she believe that while this child was still
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Speaker 1: missing to refer to her in past tenth So law
24:59
Speaker 1: enforcement has got to take a lot of care with her.
25:01
Speaker 1: But get to the bottom of what she knew and
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Speaker 1: when she knew it. I want to get back to
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Speaker 1: David Rodgers, the thirty plus year old on roadblocks in Wisconsin,
25:10
Speaker 1: to take to Jason phil Yaw. What exactly is he
25:13
Speaker 1: charged with right now? Rupted Bardon Rogers charge would kidnapping
25:19
Speaker 1: at this point, and I believe we're suing him policy.
25:23
Speaker 1: So my question would be to you, Karen Stark psychologists
25:27
Speaker 1: joining me at Karen Stark dot com. He is going
25:30
Speaker 1: to be arguing he was just saving her from a
25:33
Speaker 1: horrible situation where she was being molested at home. But Karen,
25:37
Speaker 1: how could he explain that he kept her in a
25:39
Speaker 1: closet and didn't call police? Well, how does he explain
25:42
Speaker 1: that video to prove that this was really going on?
25:46
Speaker 1: Nancy me think about that, the fact that the guy
25:49
Speaker 1: who was for rescuer a White Knight, actually abducted her
25:54
Speaker 1: and had to make a video of a sexual video
25:59
Speaker 1: and who knows what he did with it, so we
26:02
Speaker 1: can't leave anything that this guy had to say. It's
26:04
Speaker 1: just the horrific story. And what about the mother that
26:09
Speaker 1: was there with a thirty year old son laid up
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Speaker 1: on roadblocks? You know, right there, Kathleen Murphy, I got
26:14
Speaker 1: a problem with a grown man playing Roadblocks. I mean
26:17
Speaker 1: if I walked in after working working like a dog,
26:22
Speaker 1: you know, cleaning, doing laundry, holding down multiple jobs, taking
26:27
Speaker 1: care of the twins, and I walked into my husband's
26:29
Speaker 1: propped up on Fortnite and Roadblocks, Oh no, no, no,
26:38
Speaker 1: we did it. You know that was a red flag
26:42
Speaker 1: for me when I first heard the story that they
26:45
Speaker 1: met playing Roadblocks. I could understand an older guy playing
26:53
Speaker 1: something that would be similar to, um, what's uh? Another
27:00
Speaker 1: game that that I know my son in law plays,
27:03
Speaker 1: But Roadblocks is so childlike? Lay Murphy, are you telling
27:08
Speaker 1: me that your son in law is online playing kids
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Speaker 1: games and you think that's okay. I'm not judging. I'm
27:15
Speaker 1: just asking the adult male kind of games like um,
27:20
Speaker 1: what is the Army game? Okay? Well, in some circles
27:27
Speaker 1: that would be considered unusual for a grown man to
27:30
Speaker 1: be playing. What are you talking about? Call of duty? Something?
27:33
Speaker 1: Like that. Okay, I'm not judging, but I would advise
27:37
Speaker 1: him to get off his keyster and get a second
27:39
Speaker 1: job if he's got time to play call of duty.
27:41
Speaker 1: But that's a whole nother can of worms. Okay, so
27:44
Speaker 1: I'll just quiet mother. That's the best kind. Do you
27:48
Speaker 1: know in all the years I've been married or with
27:51
Speaker 1: David Lynch, his mother or father, and I never had
27:55
Speaker 1: one cross word ever. Now that is kind of mother
28:00
Speaker 1: in law? You want now off your son in law
28:03
Speaker 1: on nicoll of duty and back to this. I don't
28:07
Speaker 1: even what was my question. It's it's a juvenile game.
28:10
Speaker 1: It's a juvenile childlike game. Leads me to believe that
28:15
Speaker 1: he is the predator, he is grooming. He clear he
28:19
Speaker 1: clearly is a predator. Being on roadblocks if if somebody
28:25
Speaker 1: doesn't know what roadblocks is, again, it's you do know,
28:28
Speaker 1: it's not r O A D B L O c
28:31
Speaker 1: K S. It's not like a roadblock. It's r O
28:34
Speaker 1: B l o X roadblocks. Don't ask me I didn't
28:38
Speaker 1: like robots, Yeah, roadblocks? That that's yes, yes, So okay,
28:42
Speaker 1: I want to go back to you. Detective Jason fill
28:44
Speaker 1: yaw Special guests joining us Adam Monroe County, Tennessee Sheriff's Department.
28:48
Speaker 1: He actually flew up to Wisconsin and brought Savannah home.
28:53
Speaker 1: Savannah's in protective custody right now with the state. She
28:57
Speaker 1: has seen her mother. She's not back in the home
28:59
Speaker 1: with her mother. Detective, what about the other children in
29:02
Speaker 1: the home. Are they still with a mother? Have they
29:04
Speaker 1: all been removed? They're all together, all the children together
29:08
Speaker 1: right now? Are they with the mother? Well, that's the way,
29:12
Speaker 1: that's the way. It's just got to be. There's just
29:14
Speaker 1: no two ways about that. To Robin Willinski, Crime online
29:17
Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter, is there any evidence this Wisconsin
29:20
Speaker 1: thirty year old on roadblocks sip that video to anybody?
29:26
Speaker 1: Because that's dissemination right there. That's a crime. At this point, Nancy,
29:31
Speaker 1: we don't know. But let me just say this about
29:32
Speaker 1: this guy. He's thirty one years old and he is
29:35
Speaker 1: living in his mommy's basement, and he is enabled to
29:40
Speaker 1: the point of being a child. And that's why he's
29:43
Speaker 1: playing a child's game. But it's not a child's game.
29:47
Speaker 1: When you add insult to injury and take this fourteen
29:50
Speaker 1: year old, you know, the expression adding insult to injury.
29:53
Speaker 1: This redefines that expression. He is no longer a child
29:57
Speaker 1: when he goes and drives all that way to get
30:00
Speaker 1: this girl and to make her do that sex act
30:03
Speaker 1: again to get the video. Now you're talking about the
30:07
Speaker 1: adult mind. But he is enabled living in mommy's basement.
30:10
Speaker 1: Oh and by the way, how was this girl dead
30:15
Speaker 1: in the home? I mean, it's not a big house.
30:17
Speaker 1: And so his enabling mother, the thirty one year old's mother,
30:21
Speaker 1: she didn't know that there was a fourteen year old
30:24
Speaker 1: girl in her basement in being hidden in the closet.
30:27
Speaker 1: Come on, now, where specifically what she found in a
30:30
Speaker 1: house outside? She was she's family in residence in Wisconsin
30:37
Speaker 1: and that's all. Can siding any relation to the person
30:41
Speaker 1: who that owned this house and lives in this house
30:44
Speaker 1: at this time, we don't believe there's any relationships to
30:47
Speaker 1: this person. Can you say, who knows the charge that
30:51
Speaker 1: happened today? Can you confirmed who not racharge, who's involved
30:56
Speaker 1: in that? If she was the victim, and that I
30:59
Speaker 1: would be the victim with her adoptive father. She is safe.
31:04
Speaker 1: She is in custody. So that's a that's a very
31:08
Speaker 1: good In the interviews as far as we're concerned. You
31:11
Speaker 1: are hearing right there the Monroe County Sheriff Police Department.
31:14
Speaker 1: That was Sheriff Tommy Jones speaking with us, his representative,
31:18
Speaker 1: Detective Jason Phil yaw. Two special guests with us, Detective
31:22
Speaker 1: Phil y'all and Karen Smith, forensics expert. We're hearing a
31:25
Speaker 1: lot of evidence regarding emailing, roblocks, sending videos, but we
31:32
Speaker 1: also know that this guy in Wisconsin, David Rogers, had
31:37
Speaker 1: her send this all encrypted. What what does that mean
31:42
Speaker 1: to you, Karen Smith? Well, I don't know what messaging
31:45
Speaker 1: app they were using, if it was Snapchat or something
31:48
Speaker 1: like that that automatically deletes these messages or automatically encrypts them.
31:52
Speaker 1: But that tells me this guy Rogers has a criminal mind.
31:57
Speaker 1: You know, color me so shocked when I found out
31:59
Speaker 1: he was living in mommy's basement. But it also tells
32:01
Speaker 1: me that he has a criminal mind. If you have
32:04
Speaker 1: the foresight to tell a young child to use an
32:07
Speaker 1: encrypted messaging app so that nothing that you say can
32:10
Speaker 1: be found later, or at least he thought so, law enforcement,
32:13
Speaker 1: kudos to you for unencrypting that data. That tells me
32:16
Speaker 1: that he was planning this, He was cunning enough to
32:20
Speaker 1: know to do that, and law enforcement had to do
32:22
Speaker 1: that deep dive into his data and they found exactly
32:25
Speaker 1: what they needed. This is also what we know. According
32:29
Speaker 1: to a release by law enforcement. Roger's charged in US
32:35
Speaker 1: District Court in Madison with knowingly persuading a mind or
32:38
Speaker 1: to engage in a sex act for the purpose of
32:42
Speaker 1: producing a visual depiction. I'm reading directly from the law
32:47
Speaker 1: enforcement speak. That's why it sounds so funny. Bottom line,
32:51
Speaker 1: he convinced her to do a sex act and video it.
32:54
Speaker 1: Has he sent it, has he disseminated it to others?
32:58
Speaker 1: How many times has he watched it? We also know
33:01
Speaker 1: that he goes to Tennessee, takes her to Wisconsin. The
33:05
Speaker 1: prosecuting attorney noted that more charges could be added when
33:10
Speaker 1: the case is taken to the grand jury, including listen
33:15
Speaker 1: to this transporting the minor to engage in criminal sex activity.
33:23
Speaker 1: That tells me Roby Wilensky that he took her in
33:28
Speaker 1: order to engage in sex with the minor. Now that's
33:31
Speaker 1: an allegation. It has not been proved, but that's what
33:33
Speaker 1: the law enforcement release said. He did not come all
33:38
Speaker 1: those hours, all that way to get this girl in
33:43
Speaker 1: the middle of the night, in the wee hours to
33:47
Speaker 1: take her back to his house to meet his mother
33:49
Speaker 1: and bake cookies. Let's just say that. And you know,
33:52
Speaker 1: Detective Jason philly'all, I asked you point blank when we
33:56
Speaker 1: first learned about an explicit video or photo, where did
33:59
Speaker 1: it come from? Because in my mind, you know, I thought,
34:02
Speaker 1: did the stepfather record that? And I believe it was
34:05
Speaker 1: you told me, somebody told me, or I learned some
34:08
Speaker 1: way through a source it was on her phone, and
34:11
Speaker 1: that didn't make sense to me, and I was trying
34:13
Speaker 1: to figure out how that happened. Now we know that
34:16
Speaker 1: according to the state, it was under the tutelage of
34:18
Speaker 1: this Wisconsin thirty year old living with his mommy playing
34:21
Speaker 1: roadblocks told her to do it. We know she went missing,
34:25
Speaker 1: she was found, she was brought home by Detective Fiel y'all.
34:28
Speaker 1: Detective fiel y'all, what was it like on that planet?
34:32
Speaker 1: Let me back it up. What was it like when
34:33
Speaker 1: you first saw her alive? When I first saw her,
34:38
Speaker 1: she was actually in good spirits. She ran up, giving
34:41
Speaker 1: me a hug. She recognized me because she had actually
34:44
Speaker 1: been been had been keeping up with the media coverage
34:48
Speaker 1: and she rand up giving me a big hug and
34:52
Speaker 1: very talkative, very positive outlook for everything that she's gone through,
34:56
Speaker 1: you know, keep telling everybody she's an awesome kid. I'm
34:59
Speaker 1: very impressed as uh my sheriff actually said that when
35:02
Speaker 1: she turns eighteen, you'd like offer a job. Man, isn't
35:06
Speaker 1: that the truth? So she could see the coverage of
35:09
Speaker 1: her disappearance, right, yes, Detective Phil y'all, how did you
35:13
Speaker 1: guys figure out she was in Wisconsin? Ye? The email
35:17
Speaker 1: and the conversation exchanged between home sir Rogers, and we
35:22
Speaker 1: were able to backtrack it, you know, his sell your
35:25
Speaker 1: data and through absolutely brilliant. So Detective Jason fill y'all,
35:33
Speaker 1: you find her, she comes up, gives you a big hug,
35:36
Speaker 1: and you're on the plane with her. Did she want
35:39
Speaker 1: to go back in the home with her mom? Didn't
35:42
Speaker 1: really didn't really discuss it, I mean, didn't really come up.
35:44
Speaker 1: She talked about her brothers and her brother and her
35:48
Speaker 1: sisters a lot, and uh, you know, just really just
35:54
Speaker 1: a lot of it's a lot of tips at never
35:57
Speaker 1: really brought up going back to mom. Wanted to know
35:59
Speaker 1: where she was going to though, you know what we're
36:00
Speaker 1: going to happen home, told her that we were guys
36:03
Speaker 1: and introduced her to some people. That was myself and
36:06
Speaker 1: a high control as her that's assigned to the Joint
36:09
Speaker 1: Tears and Tasks for the FBI, who actually went with me,
36:12
Speaker 1: and a you know doesn't me from the Department of
36:16
Speaker 1: Children's Services and uh so, you know, she basically spent
36:21
Speaker 1: a lot of time with us, you know, like all
36:23
Speaker 1: the time with us. But she was just you know,
36:26
Speaker 1: just talkative and she was pretty positive. Um. She she
36:30
Speaker 1: asked where she was going to go. We told her
36:32
Speaker 1: she was going to a to a house with another
36:35
Speaker 1: family to be with her siblings, and she was excited
36:38
Speaker 1: about seeing her siblings. Um, but didn't really didn't really
36:42
Speaker 1: discuss her mom that much. Can you become a little
36:44
Speaker 1: bit of a hero and all the ladies want to
36:47
Speaker 1: meet you, so just you don't need to tell your
36:49
Speaker 1: wife that, but just warning. Oh but it wasn't just
36:54
Speaker 1: to me. I mean I had a m of the
36:55
Speaker 1: ball eight eight or nine individuals that worked on this
37:00
Speaker 1: sying around the clock for about about four or five days.
37:04
Speaker 1: And I mean that if it wasn't for those guys
37:09
Speaker 1: doing what they did, we would have never broke this
37:11
Speaker 1: case would still be looking. Oh. I know she is
37:14
Speaker 1: safe and sound now and we are waiting for the
37:17
Speaker 1: evidence to unfold. I guarantee my guess is they will
37:22
Speaker 1: not have a preliminary hearing, Kathleen Murphy, because then that
37:26
Speaker 1: would be putting a state's witness up on the stand,
37:29
Speaker 1: and a lot of this evidence would come out public
37:31
Speaker 1: before trial. If I were the defense attorney, which thank
37:34
Speaker 1: god I'm not, I take a grandjury indictment. Keep my
37:37
Speaker 1: app shut. That's what's going to happen. And so you're
37:39
Speaker 1: absolutely right, and I think to to a court favor
37:44
Speaker 1: with the courts and to court favor with law enforcement,
37:47
Speaker 1: he's going to try to put on a big show.
37:49
Speaker 1: I'm not going to make this child tastify against me
37:52
Speaker 1: at a preliminary hearing. We got him for him some point.
37:56
Speaker 1: You have a little girl can have another sex act,
37:58
Speaker 1: whether stepfather on video. I don't know how he's going
38:02
Speaker 1: to get any favor with anybody, but that's his cannon.
38:06
Speaker 1: Worm's not OK. We wait as justice unfolds Nancy Grace's
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