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PODCAST: Episode 957 - Carmine Appice on Cactus, Temple of Blues II and a Star-Studded All-Stars Lineup · Ghost Cult Magazine Podcast

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  You know, I live in Florida. People who say, hey, dude, you
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  live in Florida, you play golf. I said, no, I play drums.
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  And that's true. You know, I don't.
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  I don't care about golf. What's up everybody?
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  I am thrilled to be joined once again by rock legend Carmine
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  Apiece. Or officially Apache.
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  Right, the original. Family.
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  Well, that's the Italian way, yeah.
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  Yeah, but a piece great story we talked about last time.
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  How are you my friend? I'm good, I'm good.
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  We're just still working away. As you know, we just finished
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  the Cactus Temple of Blues 2, which is coming out and I'm
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  working not only worked on the album, finished it to the video.
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  Now we're working on a live gig, which is a like a release party
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  for for the album. It's in the Al Qaeda Theatre
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  and, and St. Charles, IL outside Chicago and,
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  and we got like me and Doug Pinnick and Doug Aldridge and,
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  and Eric GAIL, Billy Sheehan, Tony Franklin, Pat Travis
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  Bubblefoot, my guy, Rob Caudill from My Rod Show.
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  And there might be a couple more.
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  I can't remember all of it, but that's April 3rd and the album
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  comes out April 3rd. So everything's moving along.
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  Yeah, man, you are working so hard and I have just utmost
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  respect for how hard you've been working on this.
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  Temple of Blues one was a favorite.
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  Temple of Blues 2 is awesome. I love this deep, sincere love
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  for the Blues and the original artist that made it.
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  I think that's the best, like one of the best things you can
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  do is if you're going to do an album like this, that the
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  treatments are done not just with great names because there
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  are some tremendous performances on here, but also not just the
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  the the original band, but like, you know, the the OG current
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  band, but also all these amazing guests.
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  But the care is what I love about these performances, these
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  takes, these He's run this because I may also been a Blues
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  fan for many years, not just as a music journalist.
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  That's where it all started, you know?
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  Yeah, that's where it started. And Cactus was into the Blues,
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  you know, Matter of fact, you know, I didn't really know that
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  much about Blues when we did Parchment Song, the original
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  Cactus and that Fast song, you know, like I thought we wrote
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  it. I didn't know it was a Blues
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  song. You know, it's a couple of
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  things. Like I can't judge a book.
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  Also, I thought it was us because rest of the day every
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  time we jam something, he just starts singing, you know?
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  And most of the songs are ours. But on this one, like Parchment
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  found me a while. I didn't know we didn't write
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  that, you know, but you know, with Cactus, we played all kinds
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  of Blues. We've you know, when we had when
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  we got busted in Cleveland, we wrote a song called The Midnight
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  in Cleveland. It was a Blues, you know, and
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  you know, So these this new album has seven songs by Willie
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  Dixon and Hallen Wolf, which I had first listened to the album
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  years ago. And that's where we got evil
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  from, you know, the album was given to me by Jeff Beck and it
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  was given to him by Jimmy Page. So you could hear the Zeppelin
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  influence on Zeppelin 1 from that this album.
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  And same thing with Beck. And on the Beck all the album,
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  there was some stuff on there, you know, and with me it was
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  evil. So I said, you know what, I'm
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  going to listen to that album again because I remember it had
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  great drum sounds and great Trump parts.
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  So I did. And I said, you know what,
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  there's seven of these songs we could really do up.
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  So we did. And Kill Her came out great, you
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  know? Right on.
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  I love. First of all, I love Will.
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  Willie Dixon is just such an immense figure, and Howlin' Wolf
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  had like masterful people in his.
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  Band right like. Just such a that blue scene was
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  so integral to the American Music that we have today, you
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  know, it kind of affected everything, not just rock music,
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  you know? I don't know if it affected
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  Taylor Swift. Well, you know what though?
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  You know pop is generational, right?
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  Like Sinatra was pop before he was really respected as a jazz
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  guy. So I always think about a good
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  song's a good song. If Taylor wanted to make a Blues
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  record, you know, Cyndi Lauper, who's like a world, you know,
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  Hall of Fame and rock, world renowned singer did a bunch of
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  Blues albums in the last 15 years and they are stellar.
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  And she went down to Memphis. She hired local people well.
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  Look at. Look at Melanie doing Purple
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  Haze. I mean, she sounds like Janis
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  Chaplin on there, yeah. She's a little It's bittersweet.
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  I'm sorry. A long.
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  Way. It's a long way from the roller
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  skates. It's a long way from Isle of
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  Wight and Woodstock. And that's right.
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  And and the the I live in San Francisco, so like that culture
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  is here constantly. About all the things we used to
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  play the Filmo in the Avalon Theater.
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  Avalon's gone, Fillmore's still there somehow.
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  It's great. They reopened it and rebuilt it
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  and it's been around for like another 20 years.
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  We have some great. We've we're losing a couple of
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  venues here, but we we got some grand old ones too.
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  In terms of the selection, just like Temple of Blues one, right?
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  Like, did you, you know, I know obviously you look, you arrange,
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  you have an ear on production for all these albums, but for
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  picking these particular songs with their stuff like you
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  couldn't get to for. Well, no, it's just a couple of
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  things happened. We, we redid all the cactus
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  songs on one and on two we did 3 cactus songs that didn't make it
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  to the first ones, which I thought were cool to do.
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  And then because last year I was trying to get into the, the
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  Blues market with, with the Grammys per SE, and they put us
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  in rock albums with Taylor Swift, you know?
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  So I said, well, maybe we should do more Blues on this album.
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  And since we ran out of Cactus songs, I said, what would I like
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  to do next? And I always remember that
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  Howlin' Wolf album, I said we took evil, and that's been one
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  of our most favorite songs, you know, the people that we're
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  known for. So I went back and listened to
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  it and I said, wow, I forgot how good this stuff is, you know?
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  And the drummer on that album was Morris Morris lead Morris
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  Jennings. And boy, he was killer and the
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  drum sound was great and he had the pocket and he played
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  differently than anyone else. So I tried to on this album.
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  I picked the seven songs that I like when I started Everything
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  Looks like the last time. I started with the drums, but
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  the click on, I started singing the riff, go through the whole
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  song, singing the riff, go to another song that another track
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  singing the vocals. So I had something to play.
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  I even played some bass on this on the demo, you know, like I'm
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  moan and I played bass on moan and, and I changed it.
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  I went like from the stock court of No Blues into kind of like a
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  blue murder kind of groove on it.
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  And then then the sang over that and then it went through like a
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  shuffle. So it had three levels of music
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  there. And you know, so it was fun
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  doing it like that. And even like the one with
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  Melanie, I took the we had the voice on the clip and I put the
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  drums to the voice. I put the brakes where the
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  brakes would be, you know, I did all the arranging just from the
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  drums and it came out great. The whole album came out really
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  good. I was, I was emulating Mars
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  Leave Mars Jennings drums, done my way with my drum sound.
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  It's great. Like spoonful, you know,
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  everyone knows the cream spoonful.
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  It's a shuffle, you know, This one was 8 notes, down, down,
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  down, down, down. Boom.
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  Yeah, they're doing that. It's very like a March.
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  So I did it similar to him, and then I changed some parts on the
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  drums, which affected what everybody else did.
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  But little by little it came out great.
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  Like one of the most mind blowers for me was on we did
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  Eric Kales. So once I did the track and I
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  give it to my guitar player, Audie Dillon, he would put the
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  guitar and the bass on it and then my my singer would put a
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  vocal on it. And then we have a demo now.
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  I sent the demo to to Eric and you know, we'd have stems.
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  So he took the vocal and the guitar out and then he played
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  and it was great. And it goes into the up tempo.
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  I did that because I wanted to hear him really smoke, you know,
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  I mean smoking on the 6-8, but taking his up tempo, you know,
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  really heavy and then kill it. So he sends it back for me and
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  he didn't do nothing. I said, dude, why didn't you
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  play in the up tempo? He said, well, I thought that
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  was for you to shine. I said no, that's for you to
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  shine. And I said he sends it, I sent
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  it back and he sends it back to me and freaking great.
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  And then Billy Sheen was the last thing on it.
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  So he played great. And then when when Eric to the
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  solos, he followed some of the solo on the bass and I didn't
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  know he was going to do that. So when I got it back, I said,
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  wow, this is incredible, you know, so that whole track just
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  shined for me, you know, because I didn't know what was going to
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  happen. So a lot of that, a lot of that
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  kind of stuff went on throughout the whole album.
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  You know, the harmonica parts really great.
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  You know, that's a kid, a guy from from Florida.
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  His name is Rockin Jake. He plays like little clubs, like
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  60 people clubs and all over South Florida and he's a
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  monster. And I thought he became friends.
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  I said, you know what you got to play in this album?
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  He says, really, He was so excited, you know, he said, you
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  don't have to pay me. I said, I'm going to pay you,
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  you know? But he didn't even want to get
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  paid. He was so excited about playing
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  on this album with all these people, you know?
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  Humble. I like it.
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  And I love that story about trading the tape back and forth,
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  you know, not for nothing like again to to put this together as
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  an undertaking over time. I love that you mentioned Billy
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  surprising you. I, I think Billy is a consummate
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  professional. He does a lot of records like
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  this where he'll guess there and lay down stuff and he never
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  brags about it. And he plays for what the song
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  calls for with a little bit of Billy in it.
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  And I felt like he he really played for the song more than
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  anybody. Even even when he does a lead
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  thing, he's playing for the song in a way that I think a lot of
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  other bass players don't. And the only other kind of bass
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  player I like more than that is the bassist that is extremely
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  patient and sits like a lot of rests, grooves and rests.
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  And this record has so many grooves and I love hearing your
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  heavy drum sound with these incredible swings because and
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  like you mentioned, like a little bit of a shuffle
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  sometimes because I don't think you get enough credit for how
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  much in the pocket you always are.
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  And obviously people know about your Thunder is heavy drumming
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  that people get excited about, which is great and it's a
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  tribute to you and your whole. Career about groove.
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  Love the groove in the pocket stuff.
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  Yeah, in the pocket. Yeah, like you keep hanging on.
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  I hear people do it right. I do with my Roger.
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  I have a Rod show which I had Rod Stewart do it when I was
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  with him and we did it and it sounded like give me hanging on
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  in the pocket. But if you get somebody else,
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  another drummer to play that song, it sounds different.
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  Just not in the same pocket, not in the same feel.
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  The feel comes from the drums. Everything comes from the drums
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  and and you know, but I just love doing I love doing that
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  stuff and people say, how do you do this?
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  How do you? I mean, I start with a
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  spreadsheet. I have names on the spreadsheet
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  who I'd like to call to get to play with someone that I haven't
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  played with on the on the last album, like Jolyn Turner and
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  Derek Cerinian and and Steve Moss, which have played with on
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  other albums like Steve Morris played on my guitar 6 record,
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  played fantastic. And I've done this before and
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  when and I did the first one, Cleopatra Records owner Brian
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  called me and said, you think you could put together a record
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  where get people that are influenced by Cactus.
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  I said, yeah, man, I did guitars this of course I can do this.
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  And I did it, you know, and we got some great names on the
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  first one. And I tried to get different
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  guys like Joel and turn in and Alex Soltnik, you know, totally
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  different kind of dude. And Jimmy Hasslip on base, the
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  harmonica player, Tracy Guns, all different guys, you know,
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  plus my regulars, I had Dee Schneider had, Ted Nugent had,
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  and Billy Sheen. Those are my regulars, you know,
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  because they they love to play. And Billy and Tim Bogota said
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  anything you want to do with Cactus on there, you know,
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  because Tim, Tim was his idol, total idol.
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  Of course, of course I love the Tracy song and I love him, you
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  know, after the bad news with Dee and and Twisted Sister.
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  That's the last. I think that's the last
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  recording of Dee. So far, yeah.
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  I hope it's not the last, but I much respect, again just like
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  you, to keep doing what you do. I'm so.
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  Grateful and I love Dee and I I was looking.
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  Forward, he was going to play at the gig too, but unfortunately
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  this happened so he can't do that.
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  So I got my my Rod Stewart guy, Rob Cottle, who's a great growly
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  voice. I heard him say, I said, let me
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  hear you sing some of it. And he sang.
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  I said OK, you can do it. I think that guy goggles with
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  rocks, he sounds great. Who?
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  Rob. Rob yeah, he's awesome, man.
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  He's awesome. And did you see the video?
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  I did see the video, I actually watched it right before this
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  call so. I did.
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  Fun, So much fun. Just fun having fun, you know?
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  Tracy has turned out to be one of the more fun elder statesman
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  of of. Rock.
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  I didn't expect it when I was a high school kid and I was like,
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  this guy's wild and he must be like running Hollywood.
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  And now he's like just kind of. That's good because this record
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  he played, he just wouldn't need it.
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  Real simple, cool bluesy licks and then the slide, you know,
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  and and the storyline of the video is crazy, you know, and,
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  and it's fun. You know, me, me and this guy,
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  Dom Esposito did it. He created all the all the stuff
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  and he said, well, what do you want?
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  And I said, what? No, it's little Red Rooster is
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  such an old song. I said, let's go back, let's go
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  back to the like where it started, like in the Blues and
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  make it black and white and let us play in front of an old the
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  crumpet shack, you know, and play on the on the fields and
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  this and that. And he created it great.
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  And then we had to create. He said I'd love to have the
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  rooster turn into a woman. I said, but dude, it's a male,
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  you know, it's not a female. So so he said, well, I said,
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  well, maybe you can do a gender change sign.
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  I said, well, I don't know if I want to get into the politics of
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  that, you know, so let's come up with something else.
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  We came up with beauty makeover and I said that's pretty cool.
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  And then on the side it says it's only temporary.
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  So when it it becomes a woman, then goes back into it into the
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  into the rooster. It was killer, you know.
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  So when it was done and I had to give, I had to give it to Dee
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  because him driving the car is not Dee.
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  You say I you know, I said I hope he doesn't say, man, that
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  sucks. I look like shit.
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  He look good. Yeah, he look.
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  Good. His I.
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  Wouldn't even have been known if you didn't tell.
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  Me, you know? So he said to me, it's fucking
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  amazing. I said what would I do if he
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  hated it, you know? Right, right.
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  You he's. He's a, he's a trooper, man.
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  He, he's a, he loves, he loves cactus.
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  I mean, he did evil with his band Widowmaker way back in the
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  day because he's from Long Island.
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  Cactus was big in Long Island. Yeah, he came up right out.
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  You know, he came along right after you guys.
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  I I love not only that you have Doug on this record because I'm
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  such a freak for Kings XI love. Ty.
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  Ty doesn't get enough love from guitar nerds because he's also a
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  guy that plays for the song. He's not on here.
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  He's not on. Oh, is he not on here?
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  I thought he was. On the last one.
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  Oh OK, I thought he was on 300 lbs of joy.
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  Which one? 300 lbs of joy.
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  I thought that was TIE but I could be wrong.
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  You know, maybe it is tie, I don't remember.
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  I'd have to look at my chart. Hold on, I'll tell you in a
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  minute. No worries.
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  So I thought Tie said he didn't want to.
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  He couldn't do it because he just got off the road.
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  Maybe it was the gig he couldn't do.
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  Maybe you're right, you know? Well, that's not it, is it?
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  You might be right. I'd have to look at the cover,
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  look at my notes. No worries.
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  I love, I love kings. You know what I think?
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  I think you're right. I think it is Ty.
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  Yes. I think it was asking Ty to do
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  the gig he couldn't do. Fair enough.
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  Yeah. Do you also know Jerry from the
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  Kings X guys? Because he also always reminded
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  me A lot of you like similarities.
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  Yeah, but you know what on on that song called Feel So Good,
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  there's all these drummers on that, Jerry's on it, my port
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  noise on it, Todd Zuckerman's on it, my brother Vinny's on it.
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  But we took the drum sounds and we made them sound like effects,
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  not drums, you know? And then Billy Sheehan's playing
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  fuzz bass like Tim Bogert, and we got a drum battle with a
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  guitar battle with Brit Lightning, and Tommy's there,
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  you know? It's some crazy stuff, you know?
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  Fun stuff. I'm glad you did some
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  experimenting and things. But yeah, what a great, what a
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  great album. Again, the Melanie song kind of
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  also made me a little sad. But you know, bad stuff is
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  killer. Like you mentioned Derek and Joe
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  and just so much fun and I love that you still have such a
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  vibrancy about your work like it matters.
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  And I know you love making music.
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  You know, I live in Florida. People who say, hey, dude, you
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  live in Florida, you play golf. I said no, I play drums.
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  And that's true. You know, I don't, I don't care
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  about golf. I don't care about sports.
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  You know, I got my studio, I go in there when I got a project to
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  do. Like Cleopatra just told me they
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  want me to play on Captain Kirk. William Shackness, what he does,
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  you know. I can't wait.
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  It's going to be like heavy metal.
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  He's doing heavy metal songs, you know, with the spoken word
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  and even singing. He had quite a singing career.
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  People don't remember him and Leonard Nimoy both had albums,
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  Many albums actually. Yeah.
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  You can look them up. Shatner, you know, he had his
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  style, right? That he was known for.
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  And yeah, I love, I love me some Star Trek and and Star Wars.
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  But interestingly enough, when I graduated grad school, Leonard
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  Nimoy came and spoke at my graduation in Boston because he
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  is from East Boston. What did you graduate as?
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  Boston University, I got a masters in in advertising and
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  marketing. That's.
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  What I did I'm. Not doing the advertising.
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  When I'm not doing Ghost Cult I, I do social media and digital
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  marketing. But he spoke to us and he was
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  hilariously funny and, you know, very vibrant himself.
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  And, and he said, like, I'm still working on things.
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  You may not see me every day, but the work is what, you know,
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  drives me. And I kind of think about you.
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  Same thing. Same thing.
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  Yeah, I love that you, you know. It's my wife, used to my wife,
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  she has a, she was big radio talk host at talk show house in,
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  in New York when I met her 23 years ago.
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  I mean, she had billboards all over in New York in the back of
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  buses. She's called the radio chick.
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  You look her up, she was big. She's like #3 in New York, which
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  is name wasn't number one. My name, my brains going to
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  that. I got so many names.
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  Anyway, she was big and, and she did a podcast called a Life
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  Stories, which she went out and talked to people were like 100
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  years old, 104 and what drove them?
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  And they said purpose, purpose kept them going.
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  That's me purpose. You know, my purpose is to keep
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  creating music, keep playing drums in front of people,
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  audiences. Like I play with Vanilla Fudge,
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  I play with Cactus, I play with my Rod show.
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  You know, I'm having fun playing different kinds of music, you
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  know, to different kinds of audiences.
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  And that's really fun. You know, rather than being in
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  the same band for 40 years, I'm in New York.
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  There you go. I don't know if you heard that,
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  but you know, like being in the same band for 40 years playing
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  the same hit songs must be really horrible to do.
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  Especially if you resent your success and you don't love it.
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  You would. It would be probably miserable.
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  Yeah, for me, you know, I, I never had my own bands playing
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  Madison Square Garden. I played Madison Square Garden
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  many times with Rod, with Ozzy, with Ted Nugent, you know, and
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  that kind of thing. But my own projects play
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  theaters. But I play different kinds of
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  stuff, you know? And for me, it's very
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  satisfying. I'd love to see Rod go.
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  It seems like he's heading back to his catalog, his early stuff
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  again, which I hope so, because you know, I.
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  I always, this is supposed to be his big, his last thing.
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  And you know, I mean my rod show, I have sack catcher Rodger
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  in the play with rod sacks 14 years.
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  So like the years ago you seen him with the sax play, female
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  sax play. That was her and she plays with
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  us and she's telling us that all his keys are down 3 keys.
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  And like my rod show is Rod 1979.
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  Kick Ass Rock'n'roll, Most of the stuff is the stuff I've done
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  with him and I play with him. It's maybe two or three songs
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  from the new Rod, you know, come some guys have all the luck.
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  If I told you lately, I love you and that's about it.
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  The Maggie May I play Maggie May every night.
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  Nice, yeah. With Rod, we used to do a Reg,
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  we used to do a reggae at the end of it, Expend Radio, Maggie,
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  Boom, boom, yeah, I wish. And he and he start talking like
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  a Jamaican, singing. That's funny.
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  It was. Fun and we would have watched to
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  a group. It was wasn't just about it was
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  about Rod, but it wasn't about Rod on stage.
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  It was all of us. We all had solos.
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  You know my solo, he said. You do your solo, I'm fine with
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  it. Give me time to take your time
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  and give me time to change and fix my hair and stuff.
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  And we did, you know, and it was, it was great.
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  And I look at Rod when I play with Rod, he was the best front
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  man in in the business by that at the time.
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  He had an unbelievable voice, unbelievable.
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  And he'd run and jump on top of the piano, you know, I mean,
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  now, you know, he's 8283 years old.
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  He can't do. It's just like I can't do stuff
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  I used to do. And I used to be able to jump up
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  after a song. And, you know, I can't do that
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  no more, you know, But I try and put the energy out anyway that I
• 21:27
  can. He's doing the same.
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  But now he's got this big review.
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  You know, it's like the Rod Stewart review.
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  My things called Rod the show celebrating the music and and
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  legacy of Rod Stewart. When I told him that, he said,
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  wow, I'm honored. I said, well, I'm on it.
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  That you're on it. You.
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  Know nice? Yeah, he seems like he's
• 21:45
  probably a good dude. We do a great job, you know,
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  and, and I have fun playing, you know, all those hot legs and,
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  and I played, you know, passion hot legs.
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  You're in my heart. You keep me hanging on that.
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  We did on the first Ride album that I did with him.
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  We do it live and it's the highlight of the show of all
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  these hit records. That song is the highlight of
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  show because it has so much drama in it, you know, And the
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  way we do it, it's really awesome.
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  Right on. Just the last question for you.
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  I always like to end these or the wild.
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  I always like to end these interviews with the wild card.
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  So I have a new one for you this time.
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  And it's if you could take like, what is your favorite record
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  just that you didn't play on but you're a fan of in history?
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  Do you have one record you love? Them, but I didn't play on.
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  That you didn't play on. That's a rough one.
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  That's not thinking of records. I guess one of the Zeppelin
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  records that that would then have Black Dog on it.
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  Yeah, I love playing just Black Dog alone.
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  What else was on Zeppelin 4? Stairway to Heaven going to
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  California and cash was then 2 records.
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  After. But yeah, great, you know when
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  the levee breaks. Oh my God.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  You know, it's funny because I played, I played my my singer in
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  Cactus at Terry has an amazing Zeppelin tribute band.
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  And the drummer of it is one of my students from years ago.
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  And they played down in Florida and and he couldn't make us.
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  I said, man, can you play Zeppelin tribute with us?
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  I said, yeah. I said, yeah, but don't use my
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  name. Let's just let me just come.
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  And I don't want people thinking I'm I've gone that far down when
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  I'm doing Zeppelin tributes in a little club.
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  You know, we did it. And then I started working out
• 23:24
  this stuff and I said, you know, it's a bit hard for me to play
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  that stuff at my age, you know, and I can't.
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  How am I going to rehearse it, you know, so And they said just
• 23:38
  play it like you. That made a difference.
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  So and then I rehearsed it. I went and played the gig and I
• 23:44
  had a good time playing Black Dog and playing Cashmere and
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  playing, you know, there's a thing in in the Stairway to
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  Heaven where there's a time thing in it which is really
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  weird. I don't know if it's an edit
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  because it's really weird. Yeah, we studied it back in
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  music school where it was like most conventional music doesn't
• 24:00
  do what that speed up like. That, like that, that thing
• 24:04
  right there, it sounds like an edit to me because it doesn't,
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  it's not like a 7-8, it's not a 7 1/2.
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  It's just weird. It's like 7 and a quarter or
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  something, you know what I'm saying?
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  It's really weird. That one took me a minute to, to
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  workout, but I, I worked it out and played it.
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  OK, you know, But uh yeah, there's some great things they
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  did. Nice work.
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  Temple of Blues 2 is coming out soon.
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  Carmine Apiece. Thank you so much for your time
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  once again my friend. Just great to see you.
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  Thank you for doing what you do and keep it up.
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  We'll see you. Thank you.
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  Good to see you again.