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Nancy Mace: Unredacting The Epstein Names, Global Rings & The Intel Cover-Up · Unshaken & Unafraid with Joe Pags

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Speaker 1: Nancy Base is going to war. She is not only
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Speaker 1: talking about the FTEM files, she's promising to unredact the
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Speaker 1: names herself. She says the public has the right to
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Speaker 1: know whose names are hidden in those documents. No more
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Speaker 1: black ing, no more protection for the powerful. These secrets
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Speaker 1: are coming out, and she's doing it. I'm just a
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Speaker 1: guy in America who wants to know why we can't
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Speaker 1: know everything and anything about this scumbag. I don't understand
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Speaker 1: what it is that stops my ability as an American.
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Speaker 1: Forget that I do information for a living. I'm just
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Speaker 1: a guy who's a US citizen that wants to know
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Speaker 1: how bad was this guy? And why can't I know everything?
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Speaker 1: Do you know why I can't know everything.
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Speaker 2: Because the information is still redacted? I mean, I've been
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Speaker 2: at the DOJ for several hours this week and there
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Speaker 2: are many documents, particularly as it pertains to the co conspirators,
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Speaker 2: whose names are redacted, and you can't view the unredacted
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Speaker 2: files at the DOJ.
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Speaker 1: And that's it that they can just redact and say
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Speaker 1: have an I.
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Speaker 2: Actat I'm the whole thing is a okay, and isn't
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Speaker 2: This isn't about PAMBONDI, Okay, I'm frustrated with the way
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Speaker 2: that she's behaved throughout the Epstein saga, But this goes
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Speaker 2: back to the Bush era. We're talking about over twenty
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Speaker 2: years of a cover up. We're talking about prosecutors, solicitors, you, judges, etc.
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Speaker 2: Are a grand jury information that has been hidden from
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Speaker 2: the American people. And what he was convicted of is
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Speaker 2: such a small fraction of what was actually going on.
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Speaker 2: The files that I viewed this week's show that there
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Speaker 2: was a worldwide global sex trafficking ring. Men and women
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Speaker 2: were involved in selling women and girls to Jeffrey Epstein
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Speaker 2: and Gallaine Maxwell. That's what I saw in the files.
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Speaker 2: And the other thing that I saw was a lot
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Speaker 2: of names of people who are probably guilty of a
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Speaker 2: crime who didn't go to jail. And so I am
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Speaker 2: procuring and putting together a list right now. It would
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Speaker 2: be a lot faster for me to put together that
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Speaker 2: list if I could see the files unredacted, but it's
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Speaker 2: taking me longer. I want to bet to make sure
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Speaker 2: the list of names I'm going to give the Overset
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Speaker 2: Committee that they're not victims names in it, because I'm
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Speaker 2: going to be naming women. Right, Okay, there are women
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Speaker 2: who try to sell women to Epstein, and as long
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Speaker 2: as they're not a victim, I'm going to put their
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Speaker 2: name out there. But I want to make sure right
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Speaker 2: now that i'm vetting the names that I'm not exposing
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Speaker 2: a victim when I do it. But also I'm missing documents,
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Speaker 2: and I want a full list of tally that I
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Speaker 2: can reference, because some of it's going to be a
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Speaker 2: shot in the dark, but I want to see the
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Speaker 2: documents that are redacted because that's where a lot of
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Speaker 2: the co conspirat or information is.
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Speaker 1: Well, the only people that we're okay with having redacted,
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Speaker 1: as you said, are the victims. And then you hear
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Speaker 1: this thing about well but methods and policies and how
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Speaker 1: we do the we have to redact that too. No, no,
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Speaker 1: you don't. This guy's dead. He's dead, now, why can't
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Speaker 1: we know? So let me ask you this. Let's take
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Speaker 1: it a step further. Yes, low life, disgusting, can't even
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Speaker 1: imagine how horrible this guy was. But do you think
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Speaker 1: he was Cia? Do you think he might have been Masad?
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Speaker 1: Is there something there that's stopping them from letting us
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Speaker 1: know exactly what went on?
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Speaker 2: I have a letter going out to the CIA very
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Speaker 2: soon in the next day or two, which you will
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Speaker 2: see because as I have am privy to some information
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Speaker 2: documents that I believe are in the possession of the CIA,
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Speaker 2: and so that letter will be coming out in short order,
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Speaker 2: as well as I'm asking the CIA for all versions
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Speaker 2: of every passport he ever had under any and all
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Speaker 2: pseudonyms as well. I think there's more of the story
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Speaker 2: and I would like to get to the bottom of it.
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Speaker 1: Do you think he's definitely dead? It's an odd question.
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Speaker 1: Do you think he's not. Do you think he's dead?
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Speaker 2: I think it was I don't think this was suicide.
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Speaker 2: In fact, back on the plane, in this pile behind
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Speaker 2: me over here, I have some photos of his jail
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Speaker 2: cell from the files, and I looked at the noose
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Speaker 2: and it was it looked way too big for somebody's neck.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: I was like this, there's no way that he hung
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Speaker 2: himself in that room.
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Speaker 1: When it comes to Donald Trump, the president, who you
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Speaker 1: and I both support, the guy kicked him out of
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Speaker 1: his club in like two thousand and four. The guy
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Speaker 1: actually called he called local law enforcement and said, you
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Speaker 1: gotta do something about this. Jeffrey Afton guy, he's a problem.
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Speaker 1: So why is it that the left keeps on acting
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Speaker 1: Did you see what had Lou said yesterday about Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump raping somebody and then and then had her head
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Speaker 1: blown off? He said that in a committee, in a hearing.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the audio is disgusting what he said, and
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Speaker 1: the allegations are disgusting. So why are they acting like
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Speaker 1: Trump is somehow the guy covering it up when we
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Speaker 1: know that nonpartisan people have said Donald Trump kicked this
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Speaker 1: low life out of his club. Donald Trump is the
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Speaker 1: guy that called the authorities on this guy back in
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Speaker 1: the day. Why do they keep on trying to hang
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Speaker 1: it around him? Do you think?
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Speaker 2: Well? And I reminded the press yesterday at a press
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Speaker 2: conference with Epstein victims, that Donald Trump is the one
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Speaker 2: that released the files. It was done under his presidency,
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Speaker 2: not Biden, not Obama, not Bush, nobody. It was done
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Speaker 2: under Donald Trump. So they can thank Donald Trump for
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Speaker 2: the files getting out. I just wish, Joe that we
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Speaker 2: had said the files exonerate the president, have at it
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Speaker 2: eight months ago, right, because this would be behind us
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Speaker 2: and we could address affordability and cost of living on
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Speaker 2: other issues that affect the American people. This has been
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Speaker 2: drug out because it took so long to get the files,
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Speaker 2: and now the files are still redacted. This is going
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Speaker 2: to go on forever until somebody goes to jail. And so,
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Speaker 2: you know, that's my biggest thing is getting the truth
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Speaker 2: out there. And Donald Trump was exonerated by all the victims.
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Speaker 2: He's exonerated in the files. He hasn't done anything wrong.
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Speaker 2: I don't care how many times his name is mentioned
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Speaker 2: in the files. He didn't do anything. And in fact,
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Speaker 2: i'm learning today because one of my opponents in the
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Speaker 2: governor's race, her campaign tried to say that I am
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Speaker 2: a child rapist basically in a post on Tuesday, because
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Speaker 2: my name is in the files. My name is in
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Speaker 2: the files because I was taking on the FBI in
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Speaker 2: the public. They had articles of my name on negative
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Speaker 2: articles about the FBI from a couple of years ago. Cool.
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Speaker 2: And you know, some lunatic wrote into the FBI anonymously,
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Speaker 2: like five months ago and accused ron De Santis and
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Speaker 2: me of being somewhere back in I don't know, two
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Speaker 2: thousand and eight. I didn't even know who Rond DeSantis
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Speaker 2: was in two thousand and eight. So I mean, it
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Speaker 2: was really lunatick files in there, and it's like, come on,
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Speaker 2: this is clickbait, this is a which line, This is
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Speaker 2: like a distraction. Focus on the ball. We have billionaires
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Speaker 2: that are walking free that rate underage girls. Let's focus
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Speaker 2: on that.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's a situation where and I think you
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Speaker 1: alluded to this earlier, and it's Nancy Mace of course,
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Speaker 1: US Representative District one, Republican Great State of South Carolina
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Speaker 1: running for governor of South Carolina. Nancymas dot Org.
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Speaker 2: Got supporter governor, needing the race for governor by.
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Speaker 1: At least seven and it should be seventy. So I
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Speaker 1: hope that you get that job for sure. But I
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Speaker 1: want to go back to something you alluded to earlier.
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Speaker 1: I like Pam Bondi, got her number, had her on
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Speaker 1: the show plenty of times. I like Donald Trump a lot,
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Speaker 1: had him on the show fifteen times. I think he's
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Speaker 1: a great president. Voted for him three times. Why did
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Speaker 1: they react? Why did they react months ago? Nancy? Like
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Speaker 1: they did because Bondi says, the Southern District of New
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Speaker 1: York is holding back a truckload of information from US,
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Speaker 1: and we're going to get it and I've got the
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Speaker 1: files on my desk, and then they hand out some
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Speaker 1: binder to a bunch of influencers that didn't have anything
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Speaker 1: in it that we didn't know about. And then when
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Speaker 1: Trump was at about it, he said, are we still
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Speaker 1: talking about this guy? Get over it? Get over Epstein,
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Speaker 1: like you said, release it all to get right in
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Speaker 1: front of it. Here, you go, have at it, Bring
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Speaker 1: anything you've got to bring out of it. But instead
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Speaker 1: they try to sort of say, don't worry about it, which,
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Speaker 1: of course pequked everybody's curio curiosity. Why do you think
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Speaker 1: be handled it that way?
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I think that people weren't thinking straight.
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Speaker 2: I don't blame the president at all. He gets advice
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Speaker 2: from a lot of people, right But if they had
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Speaker 2: just gotten ahead of it, we wouldn't be where we
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Speaker 2: are today. We would know who those predators are right now,
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Speaker 2: going into the midterms, perhaps by now, so people could
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Speaker 2: have been arrested if this had all come out a
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Speaker 2: long time ago. But instead we're playing catch up. And
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Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you, Joe, I'm the last person
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Speaker 2: that should have been given access to the Epstein file,
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Speaker 2: because I'm going to give you all the information you
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Speaker 2: want unredacted in a way that protects the victims and
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Speaker 2: exposes people who have information the truth and might actually
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Speaker 2: be predators who need to see time behind bars. And
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Speaker 2: I'm going to get all of it out there for
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Speaker 2: the American people in the right way, in a thoughtful way,
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Speaker 2: very direct and as fast as I possibly can.
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Speaker 1: And it's clear that this is global. You've got Kier
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Speaker 1: Starmer's in the hot seat right now. He's trying to
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Speaker 1: get some guy Mandelssohn to be the US ambassador from
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Speaker 1: the UK, the guy who's named in the Epstein files
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Speaker 1: as a guy that was communicating with Epstein giving Epstein
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Speaker 1: inside information from Great Britain, and Epstein was giving him
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Speaker 1: advice on banking in Great Britain or how the banking
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Speaker 1: system should work. I mean, this is a global thing
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Speaker 1: where I think you've probably got if not one hundreds,
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Speaker 1: it could be thousands of people that were named, A
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Speaker 1: lot of them names that we would know that are
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Speaker 1: involved in this. Is that why this cover up goes
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Speaker 1: so deep. If it were just the United States, I
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Speaker 1: feel like we would know everything by now.
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Speaker 2: But this is way deeper than that, oh way deeper.
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Speaker 2: In fact, one of the emails. If you recall, you've
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Speaker 2: probably seen some of the same emails that I have
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Speaker 2: that was redacted online talking about a Brazilian girl, nine
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Speaker 2: year old girl that was a typo. The girl appears
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Speaker 2: to be nineteen, not nine, but that was a French
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Speaker 2: agent at a French modeling agency out of Paris trying
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Speaker 2: to give Jeffrey Epstein a girl to abuse. That's what
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Speaker 2: was going on. Her name will be on the list
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Speaker 2: of names that I give to the Oversight Committee to
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Speaker 2: request to have an appearance as part of an investigation
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Speaker 2: into the Epstein files. And I think we're going to
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Speaker 2: have a task force here. There are just too many people,
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Speaker 2: too much cover up, too many predators that this is
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Speaker 2: going to have to be. I believe a special task force,
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Speaker 2: and I'm going to send a letter to the Speaker
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Speaker 2: of the House in that regard, because if the DJ
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Speaker 2: won't do it, it's going to be up to the House.
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Speaker 2: I would love to lead it and expose what was
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Speaker 2: going on and try to find a way to get
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Speaker 2: these people to get some jail time. But this was global,
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Speaker 2: it was everywhere. It's It's affected thousands of people, and
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Speaker 2: this was a cover up. That's been going on for
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Speaker 2: more than two decades, long before Donald Trump ever got
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Speaker 2: into politics. Exactly, go down to the greatest president of
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Speaker 2: American history.
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Speaker 1: No, I agree with you. It's Nancy Mayce. Go and
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Speaker 1: vote for in South Carolina if you can. We've got
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Speaker 1: three stations in South Carolina. Go and vote for Nancy
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Speaker 1: Mace to your next governor. How do you think it worked?
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Speaker 1: And let me I guess say. I get the feeling
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Speaker 1: that it worked in two different ways. You had the clients,
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Speaker 1: these disgusting people who wanted the girls, and they would
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Speaker 1: pay Epstein. They thought he was just running a business.
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Speaker 1: But it sounds like Epstein was collecting the information to
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Speaker 1: use it as global blackmail. I mean, did I get
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Speaker 1: that right? Does that appear to be what it is?
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Speaker 1: Because nobody who's a client would jump in and help
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Speaker 1: Epstein blackmail them, So they must have just thought he
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Speaker 1: was this disgusting pimp of little girls. But go ahead.
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Speaker 2: I haven't gotten that far to get to that sort
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Speaker 2: of level. There are millions of documents, but I would
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Speaker 2: say that these people were sexually deviant. You had in
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Speaker 2: men and Women is basically serving Epstein and Gilaine Maxwell
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Speaker 2: women and girls for decades, for years, underage girls you
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Speaker 2: had parents. I believe based on the information that I
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Speaker 2: saw some parents that were lending their daughters out, lending
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Speaker 2: for a trip to New York, or for a trip
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Speaker 2: to Palm Beach or you know. I read one document
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Speaker 2: this morning on the plane to Charleston today talking about
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Speaker 2: how the parents told one underage girl not to complain
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Speaker 2: who was sodomized in bleeding and they wouldn't take her
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Speaker 2: to the doctor because they were on a trip to
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Speaker 2: New York allegedly, right, And so I just it's sick,
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Speaker 2: it's deviient, it's illegal, and these people need to go
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Speaker 2: to prison.
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Speaker 1: How do you think they kept this hidden for so long?
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Speaker 1: And here's what I mean. I get the feeling that
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Speaker 1: generally speaking, we're good people in America, and generally speaking,
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Speaker 1: we don't want to believe this kind of crap goes on.
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Speaker 1: But why do you think that it hasn't leaked out before?
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Speaker 2: Now?
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Speaker 1: I mean, in two thousand and nine, the guy was
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Speaker 1: convicted of something, but it was like a slap on
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Speaker 1: the wrist in Palm Beach County. Why didn't we find
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Speaker 1: out more? Then? Is it that we want to believe
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Speaker 1: that bad things like this don't happen, or did they
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Speaker 1: purposely hide everything from us.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's a combination of bad things don't happen,
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Speaker 2: don't believe underaged girls. I think that there is probably
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Speaker 2: some corruption. Again. I read a file this morning on
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Speaker 2: the flight today to South Carolina about a possible border agent,
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Speaker 2: you know, who may have ties us out Carolina by
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Speaker 2: the way, you know. I just think that there was
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Speaker 2: a lot going on, could be smuggling things or people.
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Speaker 2: I think that we haven't even gotten to the tip
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Speaker 2: of the iceberg yet. Once we get all the files,
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Speaker 2: particularly when they're unredacted, I think people will be shocked
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Speaker 2: at the names that are in the files. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I've seen some well not the most well known Hollywood
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Speaker 2: names going to events hosted by Jeffrey Epstein after his conviction,
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Speaker 2: after his prison time. I mean, I just I am
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Speaker 2: beside myself shocked by some of the names in the files.
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Speaker 2: And I'm not saying it's not illegal to go hang
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Speaker 2: out with a pedophile, but why would you hang out
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Speaker 2: with a pedophile? And then for the billionaires that were
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Speaker 2: hanging out with a pedophile and underage girls and abusing them,
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Speaker 2: I think some people got paid off. I think that
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Speaker 2: there are a lot of settlements. Some of these people
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Speaker 2: might be under NDA's, But just because you're under an
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Speaker 2: NDA doesn't mean that you can't participate in a criminal
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Speaker 2: action and provide that information in a criminal investigation. So
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Speaker 2: I want to be very clear about that, because some
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Speaker 2: people are saying, well, the victims won't say the names
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Speaker 2: because they've got paid off and there's an NDA. That
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Speaker 2: might be they might have gotten a settlement agreement, But
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Speaker 2: when there's a criminal investigation, they are still allowed to
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Speaker 2: provide information to investigator. So I think that's an important
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Speaker 2: distinction as well. But there were women, adult women who
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Speaker 2: were recruiting women underage girls for Epstein and Maxwell, just
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Speaker 2: like there were men participating in the sexual assault of
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Speaker 2: underaged girls and adult women. But if anyone's going to
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Speaker 2: get to the bottom of it, Joe, it's going to
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Speaker 2: be me.
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Speaker 1: It is going to be you, and I trust that
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Speaker 1: it's Nancy Mace Us Representative District Onweed, Republican in Great
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Speaker 1: State of South Carolina. Go and vote for for governor
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Speaker 1: of the Great State of South Carolina. She's up, but
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Speaker 1: you got to get her over the top on this
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Speaker 1: as well. Nancy Maas dot org to go support he
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Speaker 1: candidacy there? What is the relationship between Congress and the DOJ?
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Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is, can you, as
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Speaker 1: a US representatives called Pam but Hey, Pam, I want
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Speaker 1: to sit down with you because I've got some problems
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Speaker 1: with this release or hey Cash, I'd like to sit
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Speaker 1: down and find out where you are in this investigation
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Speaker 1: and why it is that you're not releasing everything that
13:50
Speaker 1: you could. Is there a relationship there? Do you have
13:52
Speaker 1: to go through some staff member to go through some
13:54
Speaker 1: other staff member and make an appointment? How does that work?
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Speaker 2: It just depends on your relationship with the individuals at
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Speaker 2: the agencies. Now, I have personally gone to the FBI
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Speaker 2: in the last year about some issues and have gotten
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Speaker 2: some help and other times gotten blown off. So you know,
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Speaker 2: I think it really depends on the situation and the relationship.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes it is staff to staff, sometimes it is personal.
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Speaker 2: It just really depends on your relationship with the individuals
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Speaker 2: at that agency.
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Speaker 1: You know, some of the documents that initially were released
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Speaker 1: have now disappeared. How does that happen? Do we still
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Speaker 1: have access to those documents? And why do you think
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Speaker 1: they disappeared.
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Speaker 2: Well, I sent a letter to the DJ this morning,
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Speaker 2: actually Tottorney General Pambondi, asking about that very thing. I
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Speaker 2: wanted a list of documents that disappeared. I want to
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Speaker 2: know why. I want to know if they're properly redacted,
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Speaker 2: and when they're going back up on the website. So
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Speaker 2: I did request information about that this morning, in fact,
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Speaker 2: and I've got other letters going out to the Southern
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Speaker 2: District of New York for unredacted documents. I want those
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Speaker 2: in my possession. I'm sending a letter to the CIA,
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Speaker 2: and then I'm sending a letter to Oversight, I hope
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Speaker 2: by next week. But again, I want to be very
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Speaker 2: careful the names I'm gonna release of people that I
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Speaker 2: believe have information valuable to an investigation about Epstein and
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Speaker 2: Galange Maxwell.
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Speaker 1: Get there right now. Now back to the interview. Other
16:08
Speaker 1: than Gleamee Maxwell, has any co conspirator been investigated, been indicted?
16:12
Speaker 2: Anything investigated? Yes? Indicted, charged in prison time? No? And
16:19
Speaker 2: I want to know why?
16:20
Speaker 1: Yeah? So do I think everybody watching you listening wants
16:22
Speaker 1: to know why as well. So let's take it to
16:24
Speaker 1: the next step. Oversight Committee is going to continue on this.
16:26
Speaker 1: I like I like Jamie Comer a lot, have him
16:28
Speaker 1: on the show a lot. I think that he's trying
16:30
Speaker 1: to do a good job. But the Republicans have had
16:32
Speaker 1: the control for a while now, and still we're not
16:34
Speaker 1: getting a ton of referrals for prosecution, and even the
16:37
Speaker 1: ones that we are getting that that are referred aren't
16:40
Speaker 1: being prosecuted. So how does that how does that even work?
16:43
Speaker 1: Does comer say, I'm going to refer this for prosecution?
16:46
Speaker 1: Mace brought up a bunch of good stuff. I've got
16:47
Speaker 1: a bunch of evidence over here. Here's here is a
16:50
Speaker 1: list of co conspirators. Now, Pam BONDI, it's up to
16:53
Speaker 1: you to do something.
16:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a process, right that we have. You
16:57
Speaker 2: can't just like scap your fingers and do it overnight.
17:00
Speaker 2: Has to be an investigation, hearings and then a referral
17:02
Speaker 2: that has to be voted on by every member of
17:04
Speaker 2: the House Oversight Committee. But the problem is, I mean,
17:08
Speaker 2: we had four years of Joe Biden, and I think
17:10
Speaker 2: the amount of corruption and that administration is like where
17:13
Speaker 2: do you start? Do you start with Hunter? Do you
17:15
Speaker 2: start with the former president himself? You go to I mean,
17:18
Speaker 2: which is start that? Were letting terrasts across the border.
17:23
Speaker 2: I just there's just so much. And I feel for
17:25
Speaker 2: Chairman Comer, best chairman that I've seen and worked with
17:29
Speaker 2: on oversight. He's been amazing. Yeah, but I don't envy
17:33
Speaker 2: his position because there's just it. We're overwhelmed because of
17:36
Speaker 2: the decades of corruption and fraud, I mean, Tim Walls fraud, Minnesota, California,
17:42
Speaker 2: Like where do you start. Like it's almost like you
17:45
Speaker 2: just got to turn the water off and start over.
17:48
Speaker 2: I just it's so much, Joe, Well it is.
17:51
Speaker 1: It's overwhelming. But see, here's the problem. This is the
17:53
Speaker 1: concern for people in your in your state, as well
17:56
Speaker 1: as everybody else watching and listening. Nobody's in handcuffs. Yet
17:59
Speaker 1: we have no purp walks, and you might lose the
18:01
Speaker 1: house in November. I hope it doesn't happen.
18:03
Speaker 2: Definitely in the house in November.
18:04
Speaker 1: Do you think that's you think that's definitely gonna.
18:06
Speaker 2: Happen, definitely gonna happen.
18:08
Speaker 1: Well, then well then you're not gonna prosecute anybody.
18:11
Speaker 2: That's exactly what's gonna happen. That's what's gonna happen. And
18:14
Speaker 2: that's why I wrote that letter to the New York
18:17
Speaker 2: Times in the fall, like we just have an opportunity here.
18:21
Speaker 2: I don't want to see us miss it. But if
18:23
Speaker 2: people don't go to jail, they're not purp walk like
18:26
Speaker 2: you said. And we don't stop paying fraudulent checks to
18:29
Speaker 2: other states that billions of dollars.
18:32
Speaker 1: Right, we're gonna lose.
18:33
Speaker 2: Again, Like we don't learn our lessons from the elections
18:36
Speaker 2: and what people want. Donald Trump won in a landslide
18:39
Speaker 2: on his agenda, and we can do better by implementing
18:43
Speaker 2: his agenda both in the House and the Senate the
18:45
Speaker 2: same act. I mean, how many months have been begging
18:48
Speaker 2: for voter I D in our federal elections and are
18:52
Speaker 2: we even going to get it before the ten months?
18:56
Speaker 1: And here's the problem. John fun should not be the
19:00
Speaker 1: majority leader because he could easily make it a talking
19:02
Speaker 1: filibuster and make them talking to their blue in the
19:04
Speaker 1: face and then they have to shut up, get it
19:06
Speaker 1: to cloture and then vote on it. Yet, the whole
19:08
Speaker 1: filibuster thing the left in this country, Nancy, and you
19:11
Speaker 1: know this better night. Do you work with these people?
19:13
Speaker 1: The left has the control and they don't have the control.
19:16
Speaker 1: It blows my mind that we gave the majority of
19:18
Speaker 1: the House, the Senate, the doj the executive, the Supreme Court,
19:21
Speaker 1: to the conservatives, and again they've done nothing for fear
19:25
Speaker 1: of not having Martinez with Raskin or something, or for
19:28
Speaker 1: fear of Schumer giving them the dirty lookover his glasses.
19:31
Speaker 1: What is the problem. Why don't we know when we
19:33
Speaker 1: have control we can do something.
19:36
Speaker 2: I think we operate out of fear. Fear of being primary,
19:39
Speaker 2: fear of the consequences, fear of a negative comment, fear
19:42
Speaker 2: of a false media hit. I mean I get I
19:45
Speaker 2: get beaten up in the press every week with a
19:48
Speaker 2: bunch of lies and yes, I mean literally straight up lies. Okay, yeah,
19:53
Speaker 2: And it's a consequence of well, I speak out, and
19:56
Speaker 2: I think I speak out too much. I tell the
19:57
Speaker 2: truth and I call it like I see it on
19:59
Speaker 2: both sides eyes. Else I'm not one of them more.
20:01
Speaker 2: I'm not a well liked member because I tell the truth.
20:04
Speaker 1: Yeah. But see, you're in trouble because you tell the truth.
20:07
Speaker 1: But the left doesn't get in trouble from lying the
20:08
Speaker 1: entire time. They don't seem to care. Now you don't
20:11
Speaker 1: care what the media is.
20:12
Speaker 2: The media isn't done with them. The media is in
20:13
Speaker 2: love with you. Left the media, I mean they're mostly
20:16
Speaker 2: Democrats driving Subarus or whatever, and they're all in bed
20:21
Speaker 2: with one another to tell a narrative. And if you're
20:24
Speaker 2: a story doesn't put the narrative, they won't have you
20:25
Speaker 2: on air and they won't amplify your story. And that's
20:27
Speaker 2: why the left has an advantage over Republicans because of
20:30
Speaker 2: the way the mainstream media operates.
20:32
Speaker 1: Isn't there a fear though, we're gonna get the same cycle?
20:34
Speaker 1: Let me tell you what I mean. And I know
20:35
Speaker 1: that you remember this. I don't know if you were
20:37
Speaker 1: in politics then. But in two thousand and eight, Obama
20:39
Speaker 1: wins and the Republicans said, give us the House, will
20:42
Speaker 1: stop his agenda. We gave them a house in twenty ten.
20:45
Speaker 1: They didn't stop the agenda. Just give us the Senate
20:47
Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen, will stop his agenda. Gave him the
20:49
Speaker 1: House in twenty fourteen, didn't stop his agenda. Give us
20:51
Speaker 1: the presidency in sixteen, and we did. Okay, now we're
20:55
Speaker 1: gonna get everything done that we want to get done.
20:56
Speaker 1: We had like the Jobs and Save that, what was it,
20:58
Speaker 1: the Jobs and Cuts Act?
21:01
Speaker 2: The Jobs Act exactly?
21:02
Speaker 1: We had that and whatever Trump could get done in
21:05
Speaker 1: two years, then you lose the House and sent it
21:07
Speaker 1: again under Trump, and he gets impeached every day, Nick Nincy,
21:10
Speaker 1: are we ever going to wake up and realize that
21:12
Speaker 1: this cycle is going to be the death of this
21:14
Speaker 1: country if we don't act like they act when we
21:17
Speaker 1: have control. And I don't mean lie, I don't mean
21:19
Speaker 1: cheat and steel, I mean act like you've got the
21:20
Speaker 1: power and use it. Right now, John Thune is allowing
21:24
Speaker 1: the Democrat minority to control what he does and doesn't do.
21:27
Speaker 1: And it just blows my mind.
21:29
Speaker 2: It is it is mind blowing, and we will lose.
21:31
Speaker 2: We will lose our republic if we're not careful. We
21:34
Speaker 2: were warned about this by Ronald Reagan and by our
21:36
Speaker 2: forefathers that this would be what happens if we're not careful.
21:40
Speaker 2: And our country's worth fighting for. And that's why it's
21:43
Speaker 2: up to us as conservatives to elect conservatives real try
21:46
Speaker 2: it and true conservatives aren't going to tell you one
21:49
Speaker 2: thing on the campaign shield, but are actually going to
21:51
Speaker 2: do what they say they're going to do when they
21:52
Speaker 2: get to Congress and get and get elected. And who
21:54
Speaker 2: will not live and fear of the electorate, because that
21:58
Speaker 2: is a losing strategy.
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Speaker 1: What's going on in South Carolina. What's going on in
22:02
Speaker 1: your state that you said, I've got to go and
22:04
Speaker 1: do this, Because I know that you were calling out
22:06
Speaker 1: a local sheriff that was acting like a sanctuary sheriff.
22:08
Speaker 1: There are people in that state trying to let the
22:11
Speaker 1: Northern Virginia, you know, North Carolina stuff squeeze you guys
22:15
Speaker 1: into moving much more progressive. What is it about South
22:18
Speaker 1: Carolina that made you say? Now I know you're from there,
22:19
Speaker 1: but what made you say, I've got to do this.
22:22
Speaker 1: I've got to save my state. And if I do that,
22:24
Speaker 1: maybe we can explore this idea that we've got freedom
22:27
Speaker 1: and liberty and the Constitution matters. Again, what was it
22:29
Speaker 1: specifically that told you this is the time.
22:33
Speaker 2: Well, I want to implement Donald Trump's agenda. I think
22:35
Speaker 2: there's no time like the president to install governors who
22:38
Speaker 2: will support Donald Trump better than ever before, because he
22:41
Speaker 2: needs it. We need to have his back. Number one.
22:44
Speaker 2: Number two, I'm the only candidate running for a governor
22:46
Speaker 2: that has a plan to lower the state income tax
22:48
Speaker 2: to zero. I want to follow on Donald Trump's footsteps
22:51
Speaker 2: by lowering taxes for every hard worker across the state.
22:55
Speaker 2: Of a plan that would eliminate the state income tax
22:57
Speaker 2: down to zero in less than five years. We have
22:59
Speaker 2: to be so good. I s staate income tax in
23:01
Speaker 2: the Southeast. Our cost of living is through the roof.
23:03
Speaker 2: Everybody from New York and California's moving here. Good luck.
23:05
Speaker 2: Getting a two bedroom condo would have cost you over
23:07
Speaker 2: a million dollars in a lot of places in South Carolina.
23:11
Speaker 2: It costs more for things here in South Carolina that
23:14
Speaker 2: it does in DC and sometimes New York, depending on
23:17
Speaker 2: what you're purchasing. So we have very high taxes here.
23:20
Speaker 2: I want to reduce them. But also the justice system.
23:23
Speaker 2: It's not just the federal government that has a system
23:25
Speaker 2: of injustice, the state does. I talked to families of
23:29
Speaker 2: murder victims, sexual assault victims, trafficking victims, you name it,
23:33
Speaker 2: that have never gotten a fair shake. I had one
23:36
Speaker 2: case come through this week and met with my office.
23:39
Speaker 2: A man was at a wheelchair, was disabled in twenty seventeen,
23:42
Speaker 2: murdered by a woman step fourteen times in the back.
23:45
Speaker 2: He wasn't going to be able to get out the
23:46
Speaker 2: wheelchair and defend himself, okay, And our attorney general was
23:50
Speaker 2: said he was going to prosecute the case and bring
23:53
Speaker 2: justice to this family. That was in twenty seventeen. It's
23:56
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. We're talking nine years, almost ten years,
24:00
Speaker 2: no trial. That individual is walking free right down right now,
24:04
Speaker 2: not behind bars, not in a mental health institution. But
24:07
Speaker 2: it's like case after case after case where I see
24:09
Speaker 2: people who've been wronged. And it's not just the Epstein case.
24:14
Speaker 2: I think it's really emblematic that if you have wealth
24:16
Speaker 2: and power and connections, you can get away with murder
24:19
Speaker 2: in this country, but if you're just the rest of us,
24:23
Speaker 2: you can't. And there's a two tiered system of justice,
24:26
Speaker 2: one for the haves and one for the have nots,
24:28
Speaker 2: one for the wealthy and powerful, one for everybody else.
24:31
Speaker 2: And that's why I'm running, because I'm going to fix
24:32
Speaker 2: the broken system unlike anybody's ever seen before. It will
24:35
Speaker 2: be fair, it'll be just, and it will be swift.
24:38
Speaker 1: But what I love about what you've always done in
24:40
Speaker 1: the capacity that I've known you in and we know
24:42
Speaker 1: each other personally a little bit, but in the capacity
24:44
Speaker 1: of what you do for a living, you've always just
24:47
Speaker 1: told the truth. I can't remember any time where I say, well,
24:50
Speaker 1: she kind of said she do this and she did
24:51
Speaker 1: something else. That's not who you seem to be. If
24:54
Speaker 1: you look at Virginia, the idiot that they just elected
24:56
Speaker 1: governor there got into office. Ran is a moderate, Ran
24:59
Speaker 1: is a right on some stuff, got into office and
25:02
Speaker 1: became ma'mdanni all of a sudden, you know what I mean?
25:04
Speaker 1: She got into office and raised taxes on twenty different things,
25:07
Speaker 1: and the people of Virginia going, what the hell happened?
25:09
Speaker 1: So how do you convince them that what you say? Again,
25:11
Speaker 1: your track record says you're gonna do what you said
25:13
Speaker 1: you were gonna do. But you're gonna be up against
25:16
Speaker 1: somebody like the with your name Mickey, somebody over in
25:19
Speaker 1: or is that New Jersey? I forget her name. I
25:20
Speaker 1: can't think of it right now. The new Virginia governor who.
25:22
Speaker 2: Works no one knows, So we won't say them. It's fine, I'm.
25:25
Speaker 1: Gonna say I'm not going to say their names either.
25:27
Speaker 1: But but the question is this, the progressives and the
25:30
Speaker 1: Marxists among us have become very good at lying about
25:34
Speaker 1: being moderate. Like Mumdanni. Maumdanni is now quoting out of
25:36
Speaker 1: the Quran in front of a in front of a podium,
25:39
Speaker 1: a microphone and a camera and he's telling New Yorkers
25:41
Speaker 1: we should follow Muhammed. So I mean, these people will
25:44
Speaker 1: lie until they get the power. So are you up
25:46
Speaker 1: against that now? In South Carolina? I'm guessing the progressive
25:49
Speaker 1: movement is there too, and can you stop it from
25:52
Speaker 1: from becoming something that that feeds on? Like they said
25:55
Speaker 1: affordability in New York a lot Nancy and that, of
25:57
Speaker 1: course he's gonna make it less affordable now, So are
26:00
Speaker 1: they trying to do that where you are too? Or
26:01
Speaker 1: is that it hasn't gotten there yet?
26:03
Speaker 2: Well, both parties do that where I'm from. In fact,
26:05
Speaker 2: one of my opponents two days ago her campaign tried
26:08
Speaker 2: to say that I was as a survivor, I'm in
26:11
Speaker 2: the Epstein files as a child rapist essentially. I mean,
26:14
Speaker 2: like that's the Republican okay. I mean it's so it's absurd, right,
26:18
Speaker 2: Like that statement from your campaign should be disqualifying for
26:22
Speaker 2: you for running for governor, but it's not, okay. So,
26:25
Speaker 2: like my perspective is I call it like I see it.
26:28
Speaker 2: These people aren't telling the truth. And it's why I'm
26:31
Speaker 2: so far ahead in the polls because people they may
26:34
Speaker 2: or may not like my style. They may not I
26:36
Speaker 2: may not like how I say some words sometimes, but
26:38
Speaker 2: they know that I'm going to tell you the truth
26:42
Speaker 2: and my results that I've delivered over and over and
26:45
Speaker 2: over again is everything I told you I was going
26:48
Speaker 2: to do. I did it. And that's to me that
26:51
Speaker 2: that's why we're going to win. That's why I'm excited
26:53
Speaker 2: about this race. And that's why I'm just kind of like, oh,
26:56
Speaker 2: you lied about me in the press and some negative
26:59
Speaker 2: story and the York mag I'm like, cool, But people
27:03
Speaker 2: here know the truth because I'm from here. I grew
27:05
Speaker 2: up here, I raised my family here, I went to
27:07
Speaker 2: school here. My children are adults now, so I've been here,
27:10
Speaker 2: you know, you know, such a long time, yea. And
27:13
Speaker 2: people know me and they know my family, and they
27:15
Speaker 2: know how hard I work and how much I love
27:16
Speaker 2: the state, and it's people.
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Speaker 1: Nancymakes dot Org. I want to ask you one last question.
27:20
Speaker 1: I hope you don't mind, and I appreciate all the time.
27:23
Speaker 1: You're a rape survivor. You're unafraid to talk about that
27:25
Speaker 1: on television on my show from the House floor. Why
27:29
Speaker 1: is it that people feel so comfortable attacking you as
27:32
Speaker 1: a victim and trying to use that against you, Nancy.
27:35
Speaker 1: I think it's worse for you than any other rape
27:37
Speaker 1: victim that I've ever interviewed, that I've ever known, that
27:39
Speaker 1: I've ever met. Why is it that they feel so
27:42
Speaker 1: comfortable attacking you on something that was such a horrible
27:45
Speaker 1: thing that happened to you?
27:48
Speaker 2: You know, I asked myself this question frequently, and I
27:51
Speaker 2: wish I had studied psychology, I had better understanding of
27:54
Speaker 2: human nature. And I think that people will operate like
27:58
Speaker 2: this out of fear, because they're not confident, they aren't
28:01
Speaker 2: telling the truth, they are afraid of what someone might
28:07
Speaker 2: think of them. I think it has to do a
28:08
Speaker 2: lot to do with someone's insecurity and a lack of confidence.
28:12
Speaker 2: And also, I think that there is a spiritual battle
28:15
Speaker 2: right now. I think it's I think it's not on
28:17
Speaker 2: the horizon. I think it's here. I think it's a
28:19
Speaker 2: battle between good and evil. And I think there is
28:21
Speaker 2: a lot of evil in the world trying to overpower
28:24
Speaker 2: our savior, Jesus Christ, and you know, people that are
28:27
Speaker 2: willing to do some and say some pretty heinous things.
28:29
Speaker 2: And honestly, Joe, I think it's because I speak out.
28:32
Speaker 2: I think it's because I'm loud. I think it's because
28:34
Speaker 2: I tell the truth, and it's because I won't back
28:36
Speaker 2: down and people are afraid of that. And I don't
28:39
Speaker 2: quite understand it why I'm not allowed to tell the
28:43
Speaker 2: truth and tell it is boldly and is loudly in
28:46
Speaker 2: the way that others might do, but they don't get attacked.
28:49
Speaker 2: I don't know why it happens, And quite frankly, I
28:52
Speaker 2: get energy out of it. I'm emboldened by it. I
28:54
Speaker 2: know that I'm winning. The more that I'm getting attacked,
28:56
Speaker 2: the more lies that are told, I know that I'm
28:58
Speaker 2: winning better in the polls. And I even realize when
29:01
Speaker 2: this is happening. And that's why I feel very cautiously
29:04
Speaker 2: optimistic about the governor's race, because of what they're trying
29:06
Speaker 2: to do to me right now. It's disgusting, it's absurd,
29:09
Speaker 2: but it's why we're gonna win.
29:11
Speaker 1: And I think you're right, and I hope that you do,
29:13
Speaker 1: and everybody watching and listening in South Carolina make sure
29:15
Speaker 1: you go and vote for Nancy Mace Nancy makes dot Org.
29:17
Speaker 1: I'll finish with this. You just said that they want
29:19
Speaker 1: They're saying it because you talk too much. They're not
29:21
Speaker 1: going to make you shut up by calling you a rapist,
29:24
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. They're not going to make
29:25
Speaker 1: you stop talking by saying that you're connected to Epstein somehow.
29:29
Speaker 1: How dumb must you be? I mean, it's just not
29:30
Speaker 1: very smart, are they.
29:32
Speaker 2: It's a certain Literally, the lieutenant governor of my states,
29:34
Speaker 2: her campaign, alleged that I am basically a child rapist
29:38
Speaker 2: on the one year anniversary of my speech, my courageous speech,
29:43
Speaker 2: right on the floor of the US House of Representatives.
29:46
Speaker 2: That is how nasty the governor's race is, Like, look
29:49
Speaker 2: at me and tell me as a survivor that I
29:51
Speaker 2: I mean, I just I can't even like I would cry,
29:55
Speaker 2: I just uh, but I haven't because it's it tells
29:58
Speaker 2: me that I'm winning, Yeah, not winning good by just
30:01
Speaker 2: a little bit. I think we're winning by a bigger
30:03
Speaker 2: margin than we realized because of the absurdity of the attacks.
30:07
Speaker 2: And you know, quite frankly, she's a sitting lieutenant governor.
30:11
Speaker 2: She should step down with lieutenant governor if she's gonna
30:13
Speaker 2: make those kinds of claims that are absurd, that are
30:17
Speaker 2: fall like, I just can't even what was she going
30:19
Speaker 2: to say that Trump is a child rapist because his
30:21
Speaker 2: name's in the files. Like I can't even I can't
30:24
Speaker 2: even comprehend the evil, the evil it is operating in
30:28
Speaker 2: a campaign or in an individual, in a person that's
30:31
Speaker 2: going to make those kinds of claims about me and
30:35
Speaker 2: as other survivors like me. I just it's it's wild,
30:39
Speaker 2: it's insane, it's lunacy.
30:41
Speaker 1: It's desperate, is what it is. I think it's desperate.
30:44
Speaker 1: I think you're kicking her ass hard enough that it's
30:46
Speaker 1: desperate to go to nancymas dot org. Go and support candidacy.
30:52
Speaker 1: There an amazing US representative. I hope that you're the
30:55
Speaker 1: next governor of South Carolina. Come back on when you
30:57
Speaker 1: start releasing more of this Epstein stuff. People are really
31:00
Speaker 1: really want the interest. Thank you so much, Nancy, Thank
31:02
Speaker 1: you so much.
31:03
Speaker 2: John.
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Speaker 1: All right, we'll talk soon. We're back after this of
31:05
Speaker 1: the Joe Pack shows. Stay here,