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Delphi Man, 50, Charged in Double Homicide of Teen Girls, Abby and Libby · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. Today is the day. That
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Speaker 1: is the quote we have heard over and over and
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Speaker 1: over from Abbey and Liberty also known as Libby's family.
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Speaker 1: The Delphi murders forever ingrained in our memories. But today
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Speaker 1: a major turn in the case. Literally in the last hour,
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Speaker 1: murder charges have been announced. Take a listen to Superintendent
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Speaker 1: Doug Carter of the Indiana State Police. So do I
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Speaker 1: have the paring marks? But today is different because I
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Speaker 1: do not want to be there to be any confusion
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Speaker 1: or ambiguity with what I will say. Today's hot to
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Speaker 1: day to celebrate. But the arrest of Richard him Allen
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Speaker 1: of Delphi or two Council murder ensure a major step
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Speaker 1: in leading a conclusion of this long term and complex investigation.
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Speaker 1: You heard it from the horse's mouth. A long term
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Speaker 1: and complex investigation has culminated in the arrest of Richard M.
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Speaker 1: Allen aka Rick Allen aka Ricky Allen, the overnight manager
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Speaker 1: some people say pharmacy tech at the local CVS. How
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Speaker 1: many times did Abbey and Liberty go into that CBS
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Speaker 1: while he was there? Reports he even created duplicated the
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Speaker 1: photos of Abbey and Libby for their funeral at no cost.
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Speaker 1: Hiding under in plain sight is one way to put it.
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Speaker 1: But believe me, the police, the sheriff's, the state police
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Speaker 1: had to exhaust every lead and that takes time. As
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Speaker 1: of right now, the probable cause, the warrant leading to
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Speaker 1: the arrest of Allen Ricky Allen is being kept under
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Speaker 1: sial and I find it very interesting that law enforcement
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Speaker 1: insists this investigation is not over and the tip line
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Speaker 1: remains open. I mean to see, Grace, this is crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation
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Speaker 1: in serious X one eleven with me an all start panel.
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Speaker 1: But I want you to hear another thing. This is
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Speaker 1: from Superintendent Doug Carter of the Indiana State Police our
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Speaker 1: cup fifty four. Listen. First, I'd like to speak directly
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Speaker 1: to Hannah, Mike put Kelsey, your extended families, along with
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Speaker 1: the entire Delphi community that certainly has grown and now
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Speaker 1: includes our nation and even many countries around the world.
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Speaker 1: I am proud to report to you today actually last Friday,
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Speaker 1: what's the day, and an arrest has been made straight
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Speaker 1: out to Cheryl McCullum, joining US forensics expert who has
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Speaker 1: investigated along with US the Delphi murders and is joining
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Speaker 1: us from Delphi. She is the founder of the Cold
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Speaker 1: Case Research Institute Cold Case Crimes dot org. Cheryl, tell
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Speaker 1: me everything that happened from the moment you sat down
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Speaker 1: to this moment right now. The moment you sat down
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Speaker 1: in the pressor, Nanthia was somble, it was hacked, It
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Speaker 1: was standing room only. There were folks there just from
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Speaker 1: all over the United States. And the minute that Superintendent
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Speaker 1: Doug Carter took the podium, I think that there was
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Speaker 1: just a unified feeling of we understand as them arrest,
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Speaker 1: which is a major major change in this case. But
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Speaker 1: we all know that today really the investigation in some
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Speaker 1: way begins, so it doesn't end in a rest. Today. Honey,
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Speaker 1: they are hot and they are fixing to go to work.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm okay. This says it best. I'll let
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Speaker 1: Doug Carter with the Indiana State Police say it himself
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Speaker 1: instead of me. Take us in our cup fifty five.
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Speaker 1: We are going to continue a very methodical and committed
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Speaker 1: approach to ensure that if any other person had any
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Speaker 1: involvement in these murders in any way, that person or
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Speaker 1: persons will be held accountable since the murders of Abby
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Speaker 1: and two thousand and eighty six days ago. The Daily
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Speaker 1: Investigator team is tirelessly straight out to jo Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My
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Speaker 1: Feet on Amazon, and star of a hit series Body
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Speaker 1: Bags with Joe Scott. Joe Scott, I also heard him
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Speaker 1: state that so many and I quote divisions of the
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Speaker 1: crime lab were involved. That tells me blood, blood spatter,
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Speaker 1: DNA touch, DNA, hair fiber, staging the puzzle evidence from
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Speaker 1: the bodies. But did you also hear that he said
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Speaker 1: the investigation is not over yet. If there's any person
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Speaker 1: or persons out there, the tip line is still open.
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Speaker 1: What do you make of that? Joe Scott? Our minds
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Speaker 1: are one this morning, and that was my biggest takeaway today, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: When I heard him say that from the podium, For me,
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Speaker 1: I begin to think, you know about this other guy
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Speaker 1: that they've had incarcerated for some time. I'm thinking about
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Speaker 1: this fellow's family. Now what I'm thinking about. I'm thinking
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Speaker 1: that last thing you said, his family. Cheryl McCollum, you hear,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, You're there all the scene agree, disagree,
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Speaker 1: because it's come to my attention that the police execute
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Speaker 1: search warrant on Richard Allen's home. Then they're back digging
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Speaker 1: around a fire pit where Alan had been burning something
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Speaker 1: in the backyard. Let me tell you it's never good
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Speaker 1: when you look out your window and the cops are
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Speaker 1: digging up your yard or going through your trash. Well,
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Speaker 1: I'm just going to jump right in it. As a wife.
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Speaker 1: He is never going to be able to convince me
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Speaker 1: he didn't recognize that gate, that walt both clothes and
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Speaker 1: that boy oh oh, I got southern. Cheryl McCollum. Jonathan
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Speaker 1: Lee Riches investigates and he has obtained whether it's on Facebook,
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Speaker 1: whether it's off YouTube, and posted this guy, purportedly, this
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Speaker 1: guy Richard Alan, walking in a pair of jeans, okay,
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Speaker 1: strikingly similar to the amount on the bridge jeans. All Right, Anyway,
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Speaker 1: I know it's going to be impossible to say it's
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Speaker 1: the same kindie jeans, but I want you to look
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Speaker 1: not at his jeans, but at his build and his gait.
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Speaker 1: Gai t kind of an ambling he's doing to Cheryl McCollum.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you also have seen that video. Yes, no,
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Speaker 1: I have not, But Nancy, let me tell you the
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Speaker 1: biggest takeaway from me pretty day when you love instead
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Speaker 1: of that press conference and over and over and over,
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Speaker 1: they put the tip line back up. They tell you
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Speaker 1: it's not over. They tell you if any other person
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Speaker 1: has had anything at all to do with it. We
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Speaker 1: now have a face, we now have a name. So
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Speaker 1: I believe they're gonna keep everything up, like the tip
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Speaker 1: line and everything, because they're gonna try to connect additional
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Speaker 1: Dot Time stories with Nancy Grace. Okay, can we talk
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Speaker 1: about the face just for a moment, and I go
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Speaker 1: to you on this one, to Dr Bethany Marshall. Everybody
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Speaker 1: again jump in. We've only got an hour to cover up,
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Speaker 1: which is the biggest development and the Delphi murders that
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Speaker 1: we've had so far. Dr Bethany Marshall joining me. He's
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Speaker 1: psychoanist in Beverly Hills and Dr Bethany mark dot com.
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Speaker 1: Speaking of a picture, there is a picture floating around
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Speaker 1: on the internet and it is I think taken Alan
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Speaker 1: and his wife at Jac's Bar and grill and twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty one. Now, I mean right behind him is a
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Speaker 1: composite sketch to my recollections the second composite sketch, and
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Speaker 1: I mean it's almost straight out of a movie, seeing
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Speaker 1: where the person turns and looks at him, and then
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Speaker 1: right behind him it's the composite sketch that looks like him.
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Speaker 1: But I'm talking about what Cheryl just said about the family.
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Speaker 1: Did they not suspect anything? Well, Nancy, let me go
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Speaker 1: back a second. Abby and Libby the data they were
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Speaker 1: hiking the day they went missing. They were on Snapchat
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Speaker 1: and they took a picture of this man. Your viewers
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Speaker 1: and listeners know this by now, so there was a
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Speaker 1: picture from the very beginning. This Alan is taking a
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Speaker 1: picture of himself to selfie with his wife with a
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Speaker 1: composite sketch behind them. This reminds me of so many
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Speaker 1: criminals who commit domestic homicide. Maybe they kill a wife
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Speaker 1: or a partner, and then they join the search, or
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Speaker 1: they pass out flyers, or they get involved in the
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Speaker 1: effort to find that person, when in fact they are
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Speaker 1: the perpetrators. So what they're doing is they're injecting themselves
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Speaker 1: back into the crime and reliving it again and again.
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Speaker 1: I also think he's triumphant. Quite a bit of time
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Speaker 1: has passed he's not been named as a suspect at
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Speaker 1: the time he takes this picture, and this guy thinks
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Speaker 1: he's going to walk scott free. But you know, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: he is not. Because you talked about connecting the dots.
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Speaker 1: If this guy is the perp, if he killed Abby
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Speaker 1: and Libby and he has an online pet presence as
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Speaker 1: a pedophile, he is going to have a little pentacles
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Speaker 1: spreading outward all over the Internet to other people where
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Speaker 1: he will have passed photos, memorability reminiscing about the crime. So,
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Speaker 1: of course the tip line, you know, I think, of
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Speaker 1: course it should stay active because I think more and
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Speaker 1: more people are going to be implicated in this crime.
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Speaker 1: Take listen our cut sixty. This is Nicholas McClellan, the
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Speaker 1: county prosecutor. This investigation is still very ongoing. We're keeping
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Speaker 1: the tip line open, the tip email open. We encourage
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Speaker 1: everybody to continue to call in tips, not only about
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Speaker 1: Richard Allen, but about any other person that you may have.
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Speaker 1: For that reason and for the nature of this case,
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Speaker 1: the probable cause and the charging information has been sealed
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Speaker 1: by the court. I've been very clear to everybody that
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Speaker 1: per the court order, we cannot talk about the evidence.
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Speaker 1: It's in the probable cause or the evidence. It's in
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Speaker 1: the charging information that will become evident to you at
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Speaker 1: some point and it will be released, but right now
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Speaker 1: is not that day too, just got more than what
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Speaker 1: were you saying? Yeah, one of the thinking about it
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Speaker 1: talking about the burn pit and going back to what
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Speaker 1: Bethany had said, this is one of the things I
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Speaker 1: think that they're going to zero in on Nancy if
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Speaker 1: there are any trophies that have been taken from this,
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Speaker 1: particularly exactly we know two items were taken from the scene,
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Speaker 1: right And also going back to remembrances, there have been
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Speaker 1: certain terms that have been thrown out over the months
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Speaker 1: the years, and that is posing. And if there is
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Speaker 1: posing going on in a case like this boy be specific.
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Speaker 1: For people that don't know what staging means, that means
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Speaker 1: that staging are posing. Posing is a little bit different
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Speaker 1: because posing goes to a fantasy level. Doctor Bethany can
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Speaker 1: address that. But if there is posing going on, that
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Speaker 1: means that there might be a photographic record of it.
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Speaker 1: Because this is something that these guys are all the
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Speaker 1: serial cases I've worked that get into this, they love
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Speaker 1: to reminisce about these things, and they would generally have
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Speaker 1: a hiding spot that they'll keep these things. BTK was
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Speaker 1: famous for this, and so I'm not saying this guy's
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Speaker 1: a serial perpetrator at this point, but these are very
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Speaker 1: bold things that have begun to kind of seep out
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Speaker 1: that it would give you an indication of potential practice here,
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Speaker 1: you know, Nancy, this is Wendy. One thing about the
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Speaker 1: emboldenness that we seem to have seen here is remember
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Speaker 1: we talked about who would have recognized the gates. We said,
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Speaker 1: sure family members would have This is a small town.
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Speaker 1: I would have thought anybody would have recognized the gate,
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Speaker 1: the voice, you know, if he works in this town,
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Speaker 1: if he has friends in this town, he has neighbors,
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Speaker 1: people know each other. This was a big case. Why
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Speaker 1: wouldn't anyone else have recognized him on that video? And
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Speaker 1: that's one of the other reasons he may have become
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Speaker 1: emboldened over time that maybe he figured, well, maybe they
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Speaker 1: did recognize me, but have chosen to protect me or
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Speaker 1: stay silent. And why didn't anybody recognize the clothing? You know,
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Speaker 1: in these small towns, it's not like there's a huge
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Speaker 1: shopping mall. Probably everybody buys their clothing from similar places.
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Speaker 1: They don't buy a lot of new clothing. They recognize
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Speaker 1: each other's clothing at good morning, end and again. And
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Speaker 1: speaking of the clothing, guys, you were just hearing Wendy Patrick,
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Speaker 1: California prosecutor and author of Red Flag. She's the host
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Speaker 1: of Today with Doctor Wendy KCBQ San Diego, as well
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Speaker 1: as doctor Bethny Marshall, Alexa's Terestia Crimeline dot Com investigative reporter.
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Speaker 1: I'm coming right to you. But speaking of the clothing,
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Speaker 1: this was on Richard Allen's wife's Facebook post, and it
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Speaker 1: shows her kind of sneaking up on him. You know
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Speaker 1: when you try to surprise somebody and you're videoing them.
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Speaker 1: He's sitting in the car reading something. I think he's
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Speaker 1: reading a tablet. Isn't he Jackie like an iPad? Maybe
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Speaker 1: she sneaks up on him. He jumps and closes the tablet.
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Speaker 1: I didn't get a look at what he was reading,
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Speaker 1: but he's wearing a blue jacket identical from what we
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Speaker 1: can tell, to the one the MB man on the
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Speaker 1: bridge was wearing. Cheryl McCollum, yep. Absolutely, But Nancy, I
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Speaker 1: gotta jump back into the fire pit of me, because
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Speaker 1: I think this is crucial. It's been five and a
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Speaker 1: half years since this murder murders, and the fact that
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Speaker 1: he would be burning something now tells me he knew
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Speaker 1: they were closed and he knew the police were coming. Well, Cheryl,
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Speaker 1: what about the timeline. It's been projected that the police
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Speaker 1: came into the search, then he went out into the
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Speaker 1: fire pit, and then police were digging around the fire pit.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the correct order, but that
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Speaker 1: certainly changes things, does it not? It does, but it
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Speaker 1: also means he kept things pertinent to what Joe Scott
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Speaker 1: was talking about, these souvenirs. Potentially, it also means he
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Speaker 1: knew they were coming back. He knew he had to
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Speaker 1: get rid of that stuff. So whatever it was, he
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Speaker 1: kept it five and a half years. But again, the
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Speaker 1: most important thing to me, he knew they were coming back.
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Speaker 1: That is not an innocent man action. For those of
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Speaker 1: you just joining us, a major break and the Delphi
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Speaker 1: and murders of Libby and Abbey joining me crime online
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Speaker 1: dot Com Alexis terres Chuck, Alexis recap Lyddy and Abbie
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Speaker 1: thirteen and fourteen years old in twenty seventeen February thirteen,
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Speaker 1: day before Valentine's sick. They don't have school. They're in
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Speaker 1: the afternoon. Their sister drops them off just to hang
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Speaker 1: out on the bridge. Teenage girls. They're not doing anything.
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Speaker 1: They're taking silly snapchat videos of each other. Here I
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Speaker 1: am on the bridge, exactly what teenagers do. Then the
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Speaker 1: family can't find them. They're supposed to be picked up
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Speaker 1: at the bridge around four o'clocks. They want still day
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Speaker 1: like this is the dead of winter. No one can
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Speaker 1: find them. They keep calling the girls, their phone ring
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Speaker 1: and ring and ring, and then it goes straight to voicemail.
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Speaker 1: They have no word from them. The family is searching.
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Speaker 1: There's this finally called the sheriff at night. The sheriff thinks, well,
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Speaker 1: maybe they're going to show up. The next day. Their
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Speaker 1: bodies are found, and along with their bodies are a
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Speaker 1: cell phone. And this cell phone has been the most
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Speaker 1: valuable piece of evidence in this entire investigation. On this
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Speaker 1: cell phone. On Liddy's cellphone, she took a video of
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Speaker 1: a man approaching them. It is a forty three second video.
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Speaker 1: We have only seen about three seconds of this video.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot more evidence that the police have that
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Speaker 1: they have never shown us. And in this video, the
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Speaker 1: man says, go down the hill, and you can see
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Speaker 1: that he's leaning to his left, he's coming towards them,
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Speaker 1: and they obviously thought that something was very suspect. You
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Speaker 1: don't record just random people walking towards you on the
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Speaker 1: street normally, but this was so scary to them that
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Speaker 1: they made sure they captured it on videos. You know,
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Speaker 1: Cheryl mccollumb, you've got a theory on that that he
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Speaker 1: had actually passed him and was coming back. Explained, Yes,
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Speaker 1: my theory is they came from let's just say, the
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Speaker 1: north end of the bridge. I believe he met them
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Speaker 1: coming from the south side. I think he passed them,
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Speaker 1: and I think if you look closely at the photograph
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Speaker 1: that everybody has come to know as the bridge guy,
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Speaker 1: it looks to me like he's coming back into the
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Speaker 1: center of the bridge, which would be indicative of him
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Speaker 1: turning around. I think they had some type of interaction,
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Speaker 1: whether he said something or did something. It alerted everything
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Speaker 1: in Liberty German that this is not right. And Nancy,
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Speaker 1: for every woman and young person listening to your show
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Speaker 1: right now, every girl has had somebody makes them feel weird.
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Speaker 1: Some guy brushed up against them, said something inappropriate, maybe
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Speaker 1: even tucked them in some way, but they didn't video him.
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Speaker 1: For Liberty German from a distance to know that she
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Speaker 1: needed to get this person on videotape tells me there
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Speaker 1: was some overt action from him, and I think when
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Speaker 1: he turned around and met them, that when he had
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Speaker 1: control to push them in the direction that he wanted
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Speaker 1: them to go down the hill up a half a
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Speaker 1: mile to where he already had a place scaped out.
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Speaker 1: That's what I believe. I'm hold on Cheryl McCollum. I
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Speaker 1: just want to show everybody what she's talking about. I'm
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Speaker 1: holding up and everybody on the panel is exactly what
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Speaker 1: I'm holding up. Man on the bridge, bridge guy, aka
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Speaker 1: is it Richard Alan? When Charyl's saying, he's turning around,
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Speaker 1: That's why she's saying it. Do you see how he's
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Speaker 1: tilted off to the left like he's going one way,
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Speaker 1: he turns around that he's in the middle of the turn,
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Speaker 1: coming back toward the girls. And then later on in
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Speaker 1: that same I wish I could show it to you better.
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Speaker 1: Here here we go. Then he straightens up right beside it.
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Speaker 1: You see what Charyl is talking about which when he
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Speaker 1: passed him the first time show. I think what you're
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Speaker 1: saying is that something he said or did gave them
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Speaker 1: the creeps. They get out their phone when he turns
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Speaker 1: around and starts coming back toward them. It makes perfect
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Speaker 1: sense where you say, Joe Scott. Yeah. Interestingly enough, Mac
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Speaker 1: and I had a discussion. I guess it's probably two
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Speaker 1: weeks ago now, Mac, where you know, I you know,
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Speaker 1: I've always held it. Whoever did this had knowledge of
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Speaker 1: the school schedule, Okay, they would have like an intimate
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Speaker 1: knowledge of when the kids were going to be out,
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Speaker 1: that sort of thing for timing. And to max point
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Speaker 1: about a pre prepared area down there, I think that
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Speaker 1: that's significant. When you look at that bridge and you
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Speaker 1: see the height of this thing, it's almost like what
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Speaker 1: they would refer to in the military as at choke point.
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Speaker 1: That means you can funnel people into an area and
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Speaker 1: there's nowhere for them to go at that point in time,
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Speaker 1: and indicates familiarity. It also indicates potentially preparation. I think
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Speaker 1: to a great degree that you have no doubt actually
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Speaker 1: picked out an area, you have dates and times in mind, okay,
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Speaker 1: and then you have a specific area, you have a
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Speaker 1: choke point where you can kind of corral whoever the
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Speaker 1: victim or victims are going to be, and then you
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Speaker 1: get them go down the hill at that point. And
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Speaker 1: addition to the familiarity issue, you know, Nancy, it strikes
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Speaker 1: me that we talk about everybody recognizing the gag. You know,
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Speaker 1: these girls probably knew him too, and perhaps it wasn't
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Speaker 1: the first time that thought something was odd about him,
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Speaker 1: which would explain why that the videotape and audiotape is
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Speaker 1: just maybe wasn't a stranger to them either, such a
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Speaker 1: small town. I was thinking that as well, this guy
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Speaker 1: had a relationship with them, possibly for a long long time.
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Speaker 1: He was working in the local CBS processing their pictures.
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Speaker 1: When we think of serial killers, predators and victims selection,
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Speaker 1: somehow they fit some profile of two victims that he
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Speaker 1: was already contemplating. The fact that he posed them after
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Speaker 1: their death meant that the relationship with them continued after
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Speaker 1: they died, and then keeping the trophies and potentially burning
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Speaker 1: them in the burn pit. He you know, these predators,
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Speaker 1: their rape fantasies, their seats and fantasies, their relationships with
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Speaker 1: their victims live on and on. They have prolific fantasy lives. Well,
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Speaker 1: we're learning a lot, Bethany, and from just simple research
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Speaker 1: we've learned, we believe we've learned anyway, that this guy
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Speaker 1: Rick Allen worked CBS as a pharmacy tech and ports
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Speaker 1: an overnight manager. What does that tell me that he's
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Speaker 1: free during the day, during the day when Liberty Libby
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Speaker 1: and Abigail Abbey were there on the Maman Heights Bridge,
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Speaker 1: So he would have been off that day. And I
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Speaker 1: guarantee you right now they haven't already done it. Anybody
22:17
Speaker 1: on the panel jump in. They are getting his working records.
22:21
Speaker 1: Was he off that day? Was he working at the time?
22:24
Speaker 1: His cell phone records? Nanpia's Alexis. I also want to
22:27
Speaker 1: tell you in twenty nineteen, they the Delphi Police Department,
22:32
Speaker 1: they sent the DNA that they had to not only
22:36
Speaker 1: to the FBI, but to all of the ancestry dot Com,
22:40
Speaker 1: all the family tree tracking places, because they had enough evidence.
22:44
Speaker 1: They had enough DNA that they wanted to see if
22:46
Speaker 1: they could track it that way to track him through
22:49
Speaker 1: his family as well. So they have been putting the
22:51
Speaker 1: fuelers out to send this evidence everywhere to see if
22:55
Speaker 1: some way connect with somebody. Yeah, you're right, Alexis, and
22:58
Speaker 1: that was in two thousand and nine. Team, So that
23:00
Speaker 1: tells us that there was DNA taken from the scene.
23:06
Speaker 1: How could there not be based on what we learned
23:08
Speaker 1: a while back, copious amounts of blood. There are suggestions,
23:15
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've heard them there on the ground shrel McCollum,
23:18
Speaker 1: that the girl's throats were slashed. We don't know that yet,
23:21
Speaker 1: but we do know there was a lot of blood,
23:25
Speaker 1: which means he had to get some blood on himself.
23:29
Speaker 1: I mean, we saw what the killer was wearing, sure,
23:32
Speaker 1: and I think there's also it would appear I think
23:36
Speaker 1: to most criminologists this was probably sexually generated. So bill
23:40
Speaker 1: was probably seminal fluid. There might have been sweat, There
23:43
Speaker 1: might have been a fingerprint, there might have been other
23:45
Speaker 1: things that they were using. But again, if you get
23:48
Speaker 1: the ancestral piece of it, I mean that can take
23:50
Speaker 1: a while to connect those dots as well. I mean
23:53
Speaker 1: you have to go back generations and generations. I'm not
23:56
Speaker 1: talking about your grandmother or your grandfather. I'm talking about
24:00
Speaker 1: great great, great, great great great, And then it might
24:02
Speaker 1: be DNA pops up belonging to a third cousin that
24:07
Speaker 1: lives in New York City, and then you got a
24:09
Speaker 1: trace and trace and trace until you get back to
24:12
Speaker 1: someone that may have been in and Delphi. I believe
24:14
Speaker 1: everybody on this panel said at the get go that
24:18
Speaker 1: we did not think this was a transient, although he
24:20
Speaker 1: did explore it. Just who would know to go to
24:23
Speaker 1: Momon Heights, trustle Bridge, and you'd have to know where
24:27
Speaker 1: you were going to get to that. I'm very interested
24:30
Speaker 1: in that forty three second sound and video audio and
24:36
Speaker 1: video on the girl's cell phone. We've only heard a
24:39
Speaker 1: few brief seconds of it down the hill, and that
24:43
Speaker 1: was looped down the hill, down the hill. There are
24:46
Speaker 1: reports the rest has not been played just got Morgan
24:49
Speaker 1: because it is too disturbing. Yeah, and I would I
24:53
Speaker 1: don't know that I want to hear it. It could
24:55
Speaker 1: be one of the most horrific things that we've covered.
24:58
Speaker 1: And that's just from Look, we've been at this for
25:01
Speaker 1: a long time now relative to this case, and there's
25:05
Speaker 1: been a lot of stuff obviously that's floated by our way,
25:08
Speaker 1: you know, Cromalan and with you, Nancy, and people want
25:11
Speaker 1: to tell us things. And for me, when I have
25:15
Speaker 1: heard this, and I've heard other people say this. What's
25:18
Speaker 1: on the rest of the tape. I think that at
25:20
Speaker 1: the end of the day, when we finally do know,
25:23
Speaker 1: it's going to be something we probably wish that we
25:25
Speaker 1: could unhear. At that point time. Keep this in your
25:28
Speaker 1: mind while you're talking the facial beard. Remember that long goatee.
25:34
Speaker 1: He's sports sometimes he's sporting in his mud shot for one.
25:38
Speaker 1: Remember the bridge guy, the man on the bridge, how
25:41
Speaker 1: he has his chin check down like that so you
25:44
Speaker 1: can't see his chin. It's all tucked under. See that, Jackie. Okay,
25:49
Speaker 1: that's just food for thought. Jump in Wendy. Yeah, you know,
25:52
Speaker 1: we may not want to hear the tape, but the
25:54
Speaker 1: reason we have to is this teaches us what in
25:57
Speaker 1: the world to look for. You know, you talk about
25:58
Speaker 1: red flags, the turtle of my last book, the things
26:01
Speaker 1: that people say, the things they think, the types of
26:05
Speaker 1: pickup lines they think are going to entice different age groups.
26:08
Speaker 1: I mean, we may think these things are just crazy
26:11
Speaker 1: and it hard to listen to. But knowledge is power.
26:13
Speaker 1: So that would be one reason I would want to
26:16
Speaker 1: hear the end of the tape, just to figure out
26:18
Speaker 1: how in the world did a man like this gain
26:20
Speaker 1: compliance in that scenario. I'll tell I've got another question.
26:23
Speaker 1: How did he manage to put one hundred and forty
26:25
Speaker 1: thousand dollars cash down on a house? I want to
26:28
Speaker 1: know that too. I mean, he's an overnight manager. And
26:31
Speaker 1: the CVS, which interesting, Cheryl McCollum. The CVS is kind
26:36
Speaker 1: of like, as you described it once at the center
26:39
Speaker 1: of the wagon wheel and everything going out. You probably
26:41
Speaker 1: got a CVS, a Burger King and McDonald's, a Walmart.
26:47
Speaker 1: I'm judging based on my hometown what's there and CBS
26:50
Speaker 1: is right in the middle of it, right right in
26:53
Speaker 1: the middle. So how did he get one hundred and
26:55
Speaker 1: forty grand to put down on a house in cash?
26:57
Speaker 1: And that's the question. I mean, I think there's going
26:59
Speaker 1: to be so many things that come from you know
27:02
Speaker 1: what they're investigating now, and some of the dots they're
27:05
Speaker 1: going to connect, I think are gonna blow people's mind.
27:07
Speaker 1: But Nancy, I want to piggyback on something Wendy Patrick
27:10
Speaker 1: was just saying. I think early in my career, when
27:13
Speaker 1: I was in my twenties, I believe that when somebody
27:16
Speaker 1: got to the point they were going to murder somebody
27:18
Speaker 1: it was in a frenzy, like they were just out
27:20
Speaker 1: of control. Well then I learned, you know, through experience,
27:24
Speaker 1: that's not the case. If you listen to that voice,
27:28
Speaker 1: he's calm, he's not angry, he's not out of his mind,
27:32
Speaker 1: he's not in some type of murdering, you know, chaotic state.
27:37
Speaker 1: He simply says, guys down the hill. So I think,
27:43
Speaker 1: to Wendy's point, we can all learn things from hearing
27:47
Speaker 1: the totality of what happened there. And it's gonna be horrific,
27:51
Speaker 1: there's no question about that. Well, I gotta say something.
27:54
Speaker 1: I'm like this terrestre joining me crme online dot com
27:56
Speaker 1: investigate a reporter. When I first heard the name Richard
27:59
Speaker 1: Alan connected with CBS, I got in touch with CBS
28:02
Speaker 1: there in Delphi, and I swear alexis the woman that
28:06
Speaker 1: picked up the line when I told her I was.
28:08
Speaker 1: When I asked if Richard Allen worked there, I thought
28:11
Speaker 1: she's going to break down and start crying. There's this
28:13
Speaker 1: long pause and her voice cracked and she said, I
28:16
Speaker 1: can't comment, I can't give a comment. Well after that,
28:20
Speaker 1: she didn't need to. But this is a shot I'm
28:23
Speaker 1: sure to people that he worked with, that were side
28:27
Speaker 1: by side with him every day, and if anybody did
28:31
Speaker 1: anything to cover this up, they're looking at jail time,
28:35
Speaker 1: alexis Herz Chuck. Well, that's the thing. That's why the
28:38
Speaker 1: police have said this investigation is not over. And also
28:41
Speaker 1: people could have seen him, they could have helped. How
28:45
Speaker 1: did they How did he dispose of its closed? How
28:48
Speaker 1: do you come home from a murder scene that the
28:50
Speaker 1: state superintendent has said is the worst one that he
28:54
Speaker 1: has ever seen in his decades of his career, and
28:57
Speaker 1: police officers have seen a lot, and he says this
29:01
Speaker 1: one is by far the worst. So he has a daughter,
29:04
Speaker 1: he has a white How are people in town that
29:07
Speaker 1: the people sitting next to him at that restaurant? Where's
29:10
Speaker 1: the picture right? Because nobody's seen the pictures right behind him?
29:29
Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace Cheryl McCollum. You want to
29:36
Speaker 1: tell him about the photo of Alan's daughter on the
29:41
Speaker 1: same trestle bridge. It looked like her senior high school
29:44
Speaker 1: picture was taken on the trestle bridge where Libby and
29:48
Speaker 1: Abbey were taken. It looks just like a senior picture
29:51
Speaker 1: and she's literally sitting on the bridge and the first
29:55
Speaker 1: thing that struck me is how much she favors liberty
29:58
Speaker 1: dermot she does. They could look like family members. And
30:03
Speaker 1: you know, again the bridge, we can prove was not
30:06
Speaker 1: unfamiliar to him. There's a connection to that bridge. We
30:10
Speaker 1: have been living there for many, many years. At least
30:13
Speaker 1: sixteen years he's been married. I believe I found twenty
30:16
Speaker 1: five years. And I don't know if any of you
30:18
Speaker 1: guys have looked up the wife's post. She interestingly took
30:23
Speaker 1: down almost all the two thousand and seventeen Facebook posts.
30:27
Speaker 1: There's two sixteen, eighteen, nineteen, and so on, but the
30:31
Speaker 1: two thousand and seventeens have been taken down. Yeah, she's
30:35
Speaker 1: getting rid of that timeline. And then to let me
30:37
Speaker 1: go back to the guy on the bridge. I've been
30:40
Speaker 1: to that bridge. It is when they say seventy two
30:43
Speaker 1: feet high, it feels a lot higher year on it.
30:46
Speaker 1: And there's some of the you know, boards are missing it.
30:49
Speaker 1: It's kind of I don't know, it just doesn't seem
30:52
Speaker 1: stable when you're trying to cross it. And when you
30:56
Speaker 1: look at him, his hands are in his pocket. There's
31:00
Speaker 1: no way you would traverse that bridge without your hands.
31:03
Speaker 1: Out Number one for balloty and number two that try
31:06
Speaker 1: to kick yourself if you stumbled or tripped on one
31:09
Speaker 1: of these boards that's uneven or missing, so that there
31:14
Speaker 1: was nowhere for them to run. They couldn't go either
31:18
Speaker 1: way because they were nearly one hundred feet up in
31:20
Speaker 1: the air. Was that you Bethany jump in? Yeah, Well,
31:22
Speaker 1: so I was going to say. You know, Charyl McCollum
31:26
Speaker 1: talked about the calm demeanor. Well, of course he was calm.
31:29
Speaker 1: He was in charge. He chose this trestle bit bridge,
31:31
Speaker 1: which was quite precarious, probably familiar to everybody in the town.
31:35
Speaker 1: But still he had the upper hand, the advantage. And
31:39
Speaker 1: I want to say about these serial rapist murders, predators,
31:42
Speaker 1: whatever we find out, whatever we assess him to be
31:48
Speaker 1: at the end of this investigation, they always hide them
31:52
Speaker 1: plain sight. There's research into these kinds of perpetrators, like
31:55
Speaker 1: the BTK killer. Usually they're middle aged white men. They
31:59
Speaker 1: often have they drive a family van, they usually have
32:02
Speaker 1: two children. They're often Caucasian, and they wear what we
32:06
Speaker 1: call the mask of sanity, which is they know how
32:10
Speaker 1: to live in normal society and act normal, all the
32:14
Speaker 1: while knowing that they are not normal at all, and
32:16
Speaker 1: he probably worked at the CBS so he could be
32:19
Speaker 1: at the center of the hubs, so he could engage
32:22
Speaker 1: in victims selection. It was probably part of a sexual,
32:27
Speaker 1: sadistic masturbatory ritual that he incorporated into his work life,
32:33
Speaker 1: that he could he couldtrol for victims all the while
32:36
Speaker 1: that he was working. I'm sure everything in his life
32:39
Speaker 1: was organized around his paraphilias, his sexual devanc patterns. Go ahead,
32:46
Speaker 1: Jess Scott. Yeah, one other thing I wanted to bring
32:48
Speaker 1: out something you mentioned a few moments ago about drug stores.
32:54
Speaker 1: CBS is essentially, unless there's a small mom and pop,
32:57
Speaker 1: CBS is essentially the only drug store there. You know,
33:02
Speaker 1: the closest Walmart supercenter, which is where a lot of
33:05
Speaker 1: people use for the farms he now is almost fourteen
33:07
Speaker 1: point five miles away. So going to this idea of
33:12
Speaker 1: this being kind of a hub area, you're going to know,
33:15
Speaker 1: you know, people just for the sake of convenience are
33:17
Speaker 1: going to arrive at this location. And back to what
33:20
Speaker 1: Mac was saying about him with his hands in his
33:23
Speaker 1: pockets on this bridge, I think in my mind at
33:27
Speaker 1: least that the reason he was so smooth and confident
33:30
Speaker 1: up there is not only because he was actually in control.
33:33
Speaker 1: There's still this disarming thing. It's almost like they're familiar
33:36
Speaker 1: with him. You know that he can be that casual
33:39
Speaker 1: walking toward them on this bridge. I wouldn't want to
33:41
Speaker 1: be up on top of the thing because it's monstrous,
33:44
Speaker 1: it's huge. I'd be terrified I'd fall off. But he
33:47
Speaker 1: was smooth. He was smooth as he's kind of ambulating
33:50
Speaker 1: toward them, and he's in control in that sense too.
33:53
Speaker 1: Amble that's a really good word because that's how I
33:56
Speaker 1: described how he's walking in that video the wife posted
34:00
Speaker 1: of him setting off frrecrackers, he turns around and kind
34:04
Speaker 1: of ambols, you know, can I ask something? Yes? Jump in.
34:08
Speaker 1: So you talk about being on the same page, Joe Scott,
34:10
Speaker 1: I was thinking the same thing with a little bit
34:12
Speaker 1: of a twist. So if there's only one game in
34:15
Speaker 1: town for drug stores like the DBS, that's a position
34:18
Speaker 1: of power. We may not think the same thing if
34:21
Speaker 1: we come from large jurisdictions, but in the place where
34:23
Speaker 1: everyone has to go there, that's a great equal either.
34:26
Speaker 1: It's like looking at the DMV, everybody has to come in.
34:29
Speaker 1: So in terms of this personality profile, he may have
34:31
Speaker 1: been emboldened and confident simply by the fact that he
34:35
Speaker 1: was really in charge of something that everybody in the
34:37
Speaker 1: town needed. And that may also explain his cavalier, casual,
34:41
Speaker 1: but confident attitude that you hear on that tape. I
34:44
Speaker 1: just find it really interesting that the cops were literally
34:47
Speaker 1: digging near a fire pit in his backyard for what
34:51
Speaker 1: We also know that he has been moved from one facility,
34:56
Speaker 1: from the Carroll County Jail to the White County Jail.
34:59
Speaker 1: We also know that there has already been a preliminary hearing.
35:05
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut sixty one. The local prosecutor,
35:07
Speaker 1: mister Allen has had his initial hearing. Is in it
35:10
Speaker 1: a preliminary plea of not guilty. Matter has been set
35:13
Speaker 1: for a pre trial in January thirteenth at nine am,
35:15
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, at a trial date of March twentieth,
35:19
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three at nine am. He has presumed innocent.
35:24
Speaker 1: We will have an opportunity and day in court when
35:27
Speaker 1: we could present the evidence that we had against him,
35:30
Speaker 1: But until that day, he's presumed innocent. So much they're
35:34
Speaker 1: keeping sealed the details of why he was arrested being
35:39
Speaker 1: kept secret. And I understand because they are saying this
35:44
Speaker 1: is an ongoing investigation. Let's look back at the man
35:49
Speaker 1: on the bridge, the bridge guy. If this were your husband,
35:52
Speaker 1: would you not know he had that kind of hat?
35:56
Speaker 1: Is that a newsboy's hat? Is that what you would
35:59
Speaker 1: call that? And he is wearing a looks like a
36:03
Speaker 1: blue sweat hoodie underneath the blue jacket, very similar to
36:09
Speaker 1: the jacket Alan is wearing in that car where his
36:13
Speaker 1: wife surprised him. How would you not know your husband
36:18
Speaker 1: had an outfit like that? Hold that thought? But to
36:23
Speaker 1: you Alexa's rst Chuck. He has already had an initial
36:26
Speaker 1: hearing and entered a plea of not guilty. He did.
36:30
Speaker 1: He appeared in court on Friday the twenty eighth, and
36:34
Speaker 1: he has said he is not guilty. But one thing
36:37
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about. We've been talking about the
36:38
Speaker 1: evidence that he may have been burning. So there with
36:41
Speaker 1: us an arrest, a search warrant issued for someone else,
36:45
Speaker 1: the man Ron Logan's property where the girls were found.
36:48
Speaker 1: This was about it a year ago. He died. He
36:52
Speaker 1: was on He was considered a suspect for a little while.
36:55
Speaker 1: But in that arrest wurrant they there was no mention
36:58
Speaker 1: of what they were looking for. What they did say
37:01
Speaker 1: was that the rest of the girl's clothing was recovered,
37:05
Speaker 1: which implied that it was a piece of clothing that
37:08
Speaker 1: the person the murderer took of the girls and that's
37:11
Speaker 1: what they were looking for. So a piece of clothing
37:13
Speaker 1: could burn much easier than if they took a body
37:16
Speaker 1: part or anything like that. But it seems to imprivate
37:19
Speaker 1: that is what they have taken, or he has taken.
37:22
Speaker 1: Whinney Pastrick, what do you make of the fact that
37:24
Speaker 1: he's already been moved to a second facility for his
37:27
Speaker 1: own safety. Yeah, I'm not surprised given the notoriety of
37:30
Speaker 1: this case. I mean, you've covered it on your show,
37:32
Speaker 1: other outlets have been following it for years. You know,
37:34
Speaker 1: Partially this is a small town and there's a concern
37:37
Speaker 1: that when the state House is an individual, they have
37:39
Speaker 1: a duty to make sure they keep that person safe.
37:42
Speaker 1: So I'm really not surprised. You know, I know that
37:44
Speaker 1: people have been moved were far less than this, And
37:46
Speaker 1: especially concerning is the fact that investigation is ongoing, So
37:50
Speaker 1: I think they're taking every opportunity they can to keep
37:52
Speaker 1: everybody safe. Just got Morgan's my understanding, two items were
37:55
Speaker 1: taken from the scene, one apparently close thing. What do
38:00
Speaker 1: you make of it? What do you know about reports
38:03
Speaker 1: that their clothing was misput like for instance, Abbey's clothing
38:09
Speaker 1: some of it was put on Libby and vice versa. Yeah,
38:12
Speaker 1: it's called redressing, and this happens. I've actually worked a
38:17
Speaker 1: serial case involving redressing where the perpetrator would undress and
38:23
Speaker 1: redress the bodies post mortem. It falls into a category
38:30
Speaker 1: of necrophilic behavior, that is after death where there is
38:34
Speaker 1: a strong sexual attraction to the dead, and it goes
38:37
Speaker 1: to posing Nancy specifically, it's almost like they're in a
38:43
Speaker 1: state of a doll like inanimate state that the individual
38:47
Speaker 1: can do anything that they wish to do with them,
38:50
Speaker 1: and they can interchange things with them. And so that
38:54
Speaker 1: again goes back to this idea of trophies. When we
38:56
Speaker 1: process these scenes, were very careful. If we have something
39:00
Speaker 1: that indicates to us that it is kind of an
39:02
Speaker 1: over the top, maybe sexually fueled event. You're looking for
39:08
Speaker 1: items that they can go back and fantasize about, and
39:13
Speaker 1: you know from their profilers develop a profile and I
39:16
Speaker 1: can bet you dollars to donuts. They have got a
39:20
Speaker 1: rather rather rich profile on this. Fellow doctor Bethany Marshall
39:25
Speaker 1: the difference between staging and posing, explain well, I mean
39:29
Speaker 1: to me, staging is for the audience, the imagined or
39:32
Speaker 1: real audience, or whoever's going to come across the scene,
39:36
Speaker 1: to show that you're in charge. Posing, as Jo Scott
39:39
Speaker 1: Morgan said, more has the doll like quality. I have
39:42
Speaker 1: control over you. You now belong to me. I can
39:45
Speaker 1: stay in at of sexual excitement for as long as
39:50
Speaker 1: I want because I have ultimate control over you, you
39:54
Speaker 1: belong to me. To Cheryl McCollum, what are they looking
40:00
Speaker 1: for to prove this case? Cell phone records, DNA, GPS
40:05
Speaker 1: on the car the day he was off. What else
40:09
Speaker 1: could they be looking for. They're gonna grab his computer.
40:12
Speaker 1: They's gonna they're gonna grab things like the you know,
40:16
Speaker 1: visitation book at the funeral home. Did he go there?
40:19
Speaker 1: They're gonna look at was he part of the search parties.
40:22
Speaker 1: They're gonna look for blood, sweat, simul fluid. They're going
40:25
Speaker 1: to compare the two composites. They're probably gonna merge it
40:28
Speaker 1: and you know, make one and show Yet this is
40:31
Speaker 1: definitely him they're going to do a voice analysis. Now
40:33
Speaker 1: that they have him, they're gonna go back and try
40:37
Speaker 1: to gather some of this video showing him walking in
40:40
Speaker 1: and out of CBS. They're gonna go back and get
40:42
Speaker 1: all his employment clock in times. They're gonna see when
40:46
Speaker 1: he interacted with a family, because again, now that we
40:49
Speaker 1: have a face and a name, people are gonna be
40:51
Speaker 1: able to come forward, just like the family has and
40:54
Speaker 1: said he did the photographs for us and looked quite
40:57
Speaker 1: at us and said no charge, like they renewber him.
41:01
Speaker 1: So he's not unfamiliar with a lot of people that
41:03
Speaker 1: I think they're going to be able to come out
41:05
Speaker 1: and say, you know, whether the cell phone data shows
41:08
Speaker 1: that are his computer searches, the things that he's you know,
41:11
Speaker 1: collected in tens and then of course our kit going
41:14
Speaker 1: to be a money tree. Honey. Look, do you remember
41:17
Speaker 1: when the superintendent remember the last the last pressor that
41:21
Speaker 1: they had, Remember when he stood up on that podium
41:23
Speaker 1: and he looked at everybody and he said specifically, I
41:27
Speaker 1: know you're here, you might be here in this room
41:29
Speaker 1: right now. I know you're listening. Do you remember that? Yes?
41:32
Speaker 1: I do, And I just wonder if he was in
41:35
Speaker 1: the room and what kind of reaction he had. Wendy Passion,
41:37
Speaker 1: what were you saying? You know, it seems to me
41:39
Speaker 1: like I love Cheryl's laundry list of what needs to
41:42
Speaker 1: be done. I think a lot of that has been
41:43
Speaker 1: done because I remember the super same superintendent when he
41:46
Speaker 1: was when he was talking about, you know, we got
41:48
Speaker 1: you were close. Don't be surprised that we'd come today
41:50
Speaker 1: or tomorrow. To that effect, he already had a lot
41:53
Speaker 1: of the information that we're talking about, because that's how
41:55
Speaker 1: he was so sure and confident that he had his man.
41:58
Speaker 1: Now here's the thing. There is a husband wife privilege,
42:01
Speaker 1: but there is no father child privilege, or father cousin
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Speaker 1: or father brother privilege. I just wonder what his family
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Speaker 1: may know they could help this investigation. Alexus torres Chuck,
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Speaker 1: what's next? Well, we have a hearing in January January thirteenth,
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Speaker 1: and then the prosecutor announced today he said, we have
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Speaker 1: a trial, So we want to start this trial in
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Speaker 1: March twentieth of twenty twenty three, which is a very
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Speaker 1: short amount of time. And the fact that they are
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Speaker 1: keeping everything so secret much that they have they're ready
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Speaker 1: to go. It seems like they have a case that
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Speaker 1: they are very feel, very strong about. They're ready to go.
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Speaker 1: Scott to be DNA, Alexus to us, Chuck gotta be DNA.
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Speaker 1: We wait, as justice unfals and as always our prayers
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Speaker 1: to the families of Abbey and Libby. Now our friends, goodbye,