Latest / Murder Files Unsealed / Kentucky Babysitter Charged with Murder of 11-Month-Old Grayson Walton
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Imagine coming home from a long shift at work.
- 0:02Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. We all know that feeling.
- 0:04Speaker 1: Right. You were just like completely exhausted. Your feet ache.
- 0:08Speaker 1: Your mind is still kind of buzzing with the residual
- 0:11Speaker 1: stress of the day.
- 0:12Speaker 2: You're just running on fumes at that point.
- 0:13Speaker 1: Exactly. But there is this one specific thought keeping you
- 0:17Speaker 1: moving forward, and that is that you are about to
- 0:20Speaker 1: see your baby.
- 0:21Speaker 2: It's the light at the end of the tunnel.
- 0:22Speaker 1: Yeah. So you turn the key in the lock, you
- 0:24Speaker 1: push the door open, and you're expecting to hear that
- 0:27Speaker 1: familiar babble.
- 0:29Speaker 2: Right, the toys everywhere.
- 0:30Speaker 1: Yeah, expecting to see a toy discarded on the rug,
- 0:33Speaker 1: expecting just the chaotic, beautiful warmth of a home with
- 0:37Speaker 1: an 11-month-old.
- 0:37Speaker 2: Which is usually pretty loud.
- 0:39Speaker 1: Right. But instead, you step into a vacuum. Oh, wow.
- 0:43Speaker 1: There is only silence. And within seconds, that everyday exhaustion
- 0:47Speaker 1: just completely evaporates and it's replaced by this icy, absolute terror.
- 0:51Speaker 2: Your stomach just drops.
- 0:53Speaker 1: Yeah, you step into a nightmare that you just cannot
- 0:55Speaker 1: wake up from.
- 0:57Speaker 2: And that icy terror... that is exactly what a father
- 1:02Speaker 2: in Central City, Kentucky, experienced on Saturday, September 12th.
- 1:06Speaker 1: Which is what we're going to unpack today. Welcome to
- 1:08Speaker 1: today's Deep Dive, by the way.
- 1:10Speaker 2: Glad to be here, as always.
- 1:11Speaker 1: So today we are looking at the 19 hours that
- 1:14Speaker 1: preceded that horrific moment and really the labyrinth of deception
- 1:19Speaker 1: that investigators had to navigate in the aftermath.
- 1:22Speaker 2: It's a really complex timeline.
- 1:23Speaker 1: It really is. And we are pulling from a very
- 1:25Speaker 1: detailed September 2026 report. Published by People Magazine to set
- 1:30Speaker 1: the stage for it today.
- 1:31Speaker 2: And there are a few core figures we need to
- 1:33Speaker 2: introduce right away.
- 1:34Speaker 1: Right. Lay it out for us.
- 1:36Speaker 2: So the core figures in this narrative are an 11-month-old
- 1:39Speaker 2: baby boy named Grayson Walton.
- 1:41Speaker 1: Just a baby?
- 1:42Speaker 2: Yeah, just 11 months old. Then there's the 19-year-old babysitter,
- 1:46Speaker 2: Elijah Mays.
- 1:46Speaker 1: Okay.
- 1:47Speaker 2: And, of course, the frantic father who made that initial
- 1:50Speaker 2: 911 call.
- 1:51Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this. Because to understand the sheer gravity
- 1:54Speaker 1: of this situation, I feel like we have to start
- 1:55Speaker 1: exactly where the police started.
- 1:57Speaker 2: Which is the 911 call.
- 1:58Speaker 1: Right. So it's Saturday, September 12th. It is just after
- 2:01Speaker 1: 5 p.m. local time.
- 2:03Speaker 2: End of the day.
- 2:03Speaker 1: Yeah. Police are called to a home on Harrison Street
- 2:07Speaker 1: in Central City. Grayson's father has just returned from work
- 2:10Speaker 1: and his son is nowhere to be found.
- 2:12Speaker 2: That is just, I can't even imagine.
- 2:14Speaker 1: I know. And Elijah Mays, the teenager who was hired
- 2:17Speaker 1: to watch the child, is there.
- 2:19Speaker 2: He's just hanging out.
- 2:20Speaker 1: He's there, but the baby is not. So I really
- 2:24Speaker 1: want to understand the mechanics of that initial response. Yeah.
- 2:27Speaker 1: When a call like that comes into dispatch, what is
- 2:29Speaker 1: actually happening behind the scenes in those first few minutes?
- 2:32Speaker 2: Well, the machinery of law enforcement, it shifts gears entirely
- 2:35Speaker 2: the moment the age of the missing person is established.
- 2:38Speaker 1: Because he's so young.
- 2:39Speaker 2: Exactly. When dispatcher is 11 months old, this is immediately
- 2:43Speaker 2: coded as a critical high-level emergency.
- 2:45Speaker 1: Right, because it's not like a teenager who ran off.
- 2:48Speaker 2: No, an infant cannot run away. They can't get lost
- 2:50Speaker 2: on their own volition. They completely lack the motor skills necessary. To,
- 2:54Speaker 2: you know, exit a locked house and wander the streets. Therefore,
- 2:58Speaker 2: the investigative protocol operates under the immediate presumption of either
- 3:03Speaker 2: a severe medical emergency, an accidental entrapment somewhere within the home,
- 3:09Speaker 2: or human interference.
- 3:10Speaker 1: Human interference, meaning a kidnapping or worse. Right.
- 3:14Speaker 2: So patrol units are dispatched, lights and sirens. But detectives
- 3:18Speaker 2: and supervisors are also immediately notified.
- 3:20Speaker 1: It's an all hands on deck situation.
- 3:22Speaker 2: Completely. The officers arriving at that Harrison Street home, they
- 3:26Speaker 2: aren't just doing a casual neighborhood sweep. They are securing
- 3:29Speaker 2: a potential crime scene from the very second they step
- 3:33Speaker 2: out of their cruisers.
- 3:34Speaker 1: Which puts an unimaginable amount of pressure on those first
- 3:37Speaker 1: officers through the door.
- 3:38Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely.
- 3:39Speaker 1: I mean, they have a frantic father, they have an
- 3:40Speaker 1: empty house, and they have the babysitter. I assume the
- 3:43Speaker 1: very first question asked is simply, where is the child?
- 3:46Speaker 2: It has to be. And that is exactly where the
- 3:49Speaker 2: narrative begins to fracture.
- 3:50Speaker 1: How so?
- 3:51Speaker 2: Well, Mays tells the investigators that a family friend had
- 3:54Speaker 2: come and picked Drayson up the night before.
- 3:56Speaker 1: Wait, the night before?
- 3:57Speaker 2: Yeah. Specifically, he claims this happened on Friday, September 11th
- 4:02Speaker 2: at around 10 p.m.
- 4:03Speaker 1: Okay, the timeline shift there is just monumental.
- 4:06Speaker 2: It's huge.
- 4:07Speaker 1: Because the father is operating under the belief that his
- 4:09Speaker 1: child was safe in the home all day Saturday while
- 4:12Speaker 1: he worked.
- 4:13Speaker 2: Right, and now Mays is telling police... The baby has
- 4:16Speaker 2: been gone for nearly 19 hours.
- 4:18Speaker 1: Which, in the context of a missing infant investigation, 19
- 4:22Speaker 1: hours is an absolute eternity.
- 4:24Speaker 2: It's a lifetime. The physical trail is cold. The potential
- 4:28Speaker 2: radius of travel is, you know, hundreds of miles by
- 4:31Speaker 2: that point.
- 4:31Speaker 1: It could be states away.
- 4:33Speaker 2: Exactly. And the critical window for medical intervention, if necessary,
- 4:37Speaker 2: is rapidly closing.
- 4:38Speaker 1: Okay, but I am stuck on the logic of this lie.
- 4:41Speaker 2: Yeah, it's baffling.
- 4:42Speaker 1: I mean, assuming Mays is panicking and inventing a story,
- 4:46Speaker 1: Why invent a specific verifiable person?
- 4:50Speaker 2: That's the million dollar question.
- 4:51Speaker 1: He claims a named family friend picked up the baby.
- 4:55Speaker 1: If you're going to lie to the police, why invent
- 4:58Speaker 1: a specific person they can immediately track down? It's like
- 5:00Speaker 1: trying to hold water in a leaky bucket and it's
- 5:02Speaker 1: going to empty out instantly.
- 5:04Speaker 2: That's a great way to put it.
- 5:05Speaker 1: You aren't building a wall to hide behind. You are
- 5:07Speaker 1: giving them the exact coordinates to dismantle your story. You
- 5:11Speaker 1: give the police a name and they are going to
- 5:13Speaker 1: track that person down instantly. It just seems like the
- 5:16Speaker 1: most easily disprovable alibi imaginable.
- 5:19Speaker 2: It really does. But what's fascinating here is that it
- 5:22Speaker 2: speaks volumes about the psychology of the suspect at that moment.
- 5:26Speaker 1: How do you mean?
- 5:27Speaker 2: We are analyzing a 19-year-old under sudden immense pressure. True.
- 5:33Speaker 1: He's very young. Right.
- 5:34Speaker 2: And the prefrontal cortex, which is the region of the
- 5:37Speaker 2: brain responsible for complex planning, understanding long-term consequences, impulse control,
- 5:43Speaker 2: that's still development at 19.
- 5:45Speaker 1: Ah, so he's not thinking long-term.
- 5:47Speaker 2: Not at all. When you introduce the adrenaline and cortisol
- 5:50Speaker 2: spike of a police interrogation, the brain's executive functioning essentially
- 5:54Speaker 2: just shuts down.
- 5:56Speaker 1: It defaults to fight or flight.
- 5:57Speaker 2: Exactly. Short-term survival tactics.
- 5:59Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 6:00Speaker 2: Mays isn't thinking three steps ahead to when the police
- 6:02Speaker 2: actually contact the friend.
- 6:04Speaker 1: He just wants the cops to stop looking at him
- 6:05Speaker 1: right now.
- 6:06Speaker 2: That's it. He is entirely focused on the immediate threat,
- 6:09Speaker 2: which is the officer standing in front of him asking questions.
- 6:12Speaker 1: Right.
- 6:13Speaker 2: His brain calculates. that shifting the blame to a known
- 6:16Speaker 2: entity will temporarily deflect the pressure. He is buying himself minutes,
- 6:21Speaker 2: not realizing he is sacrificing hours of credibility.
- 6:24Speaker 1: And the police don't just wait around.
- 6:26Speaker 2: No, they move fast.
- 6:27Speaker 1: They immediately locate this woman, they interview her, and she
- 6:30Speaker 1: flatly denies it.
- 6:31Speaker 2: Flat out.
- 6:32Speaker 1: She tells them she did not pick up that child.
- 6:34Speaker 1: So the alibi just collapses completely.
- 6:36Speaker 2: It's gone.
- 6:37Speaker 1: At this juncture, the police know Mays is lying about
- 6:40Speaker 1: the last time anyone saw Grayson.
- 6:42Speaker 2: And that is the pivot point of the entire initial investigation.
- 6:46Speaker 1: Because before that, they had to keep an open mind.
- 6:49Speaker 2: Right. Until that woman says no, officers have to simultaneously
- 6:53Speaker 2: juggle multiple theories. Was it a miscommunication? A custody dispute?
- 6:58Speaker 2: A genuine handover that the father somehow forgot about?
- 7:02Speaker 1: Right. We have to rule everything out.
- 7:03Speaker 2: But the collapse of the alibi crystallizes their focus. May's
- 7:07Speaker 2: transitions from being a cooperating witness... to the primary subject
- 7:11Speaker 2: of a criminal investigation.
- 7:13Speaker 1: He's the target now.
- 7:14Speaker 2: Exactly. He has actively, demonstrably misled law enforcement regarding the
- 7:19Speaker 2: whereabouts of a highly vulnerable infant. Right. The presumption of
- 7:25Speaker 2: innocence regarding his actions starts to evaporate right then and there,
- 7:29Speaker 2: and the focus narrows entirely onto his timeline.
- 7:31Speaker 1: But the verbal lie is just one thing. Mays didn't
- 7:34Speaker 1: actually stop there.
- 7:35Speaker 2: No, he went much further.
- 7:36Speaker 1: He attempted to build a digital platform paper trail to
- 7:39Speaker 1: back up his story.
- 7:40Speaker 2: Which is wild.
- 7:41Speaker 1: Investigators discover that he actually created a fake phone number
- 7:45Speaker 1: and texted himself.
- 7:46Speaker 2: Think about that for a second.
- 7:48Speaker 1: I am. He orchestrated a fake conversation pretending to be
- 7:51Speaker 1: the person he supposedly gave the baby to just to
- 7:54Speaker 1: show the police's phone as proof that the handover happened.
- 7:58Speaker 2: The level of premeditation required for that specific act of
- 8:01Speaker 2: deception is just staggering.
- 8:03Speaker 1: It really is.
- 8:04Speaker 2: And it completely alters the legal landscape of the case.
- 8:07Speaker 1: Because it's not just a panic response anymore.
- 8:09Speaker 2: Exactly. This is not a spontaneous lie blurted out in panic.
- 8:13Speaker 2: To fabricate a digital alibi, you must download a spoofing
- 8:16Speaker 2: application or access a specific web service.
- 8:20Speaker 1: It takes steps.
- 8:21Speaker 2: Multiple steps. You have to select a virtual phone number.
- 8:24Speaker 2: You then have to save that number online. in your
- 8:26Speaker 2: own device's contacts under the name of the family friend. Right.
- 8:30Speaker 2: Following that, you have to actively type out messages from
- 8:33Speaker 2: a fabricated persona, send them, and then reply from your
- 8:36Speaker 2: own number to construct the illusion of a continuous dialogue.
- 8:40Speaker 1: You are literally role-playing the person you are trying to frame. Yes.
- 8:43Speaker 1: The cognitive dissonance there is what gets me. You are
- 8:46Speaker 1: sitting in a room knowing the horrific reality of the situation,
- 8:50Speaker 1: and you are typing out, you know, hey, I'm here
- 8:53Speaker 1: to pick up Grayson. And then answering it yourself with, OK,
- 8:56Speaker 1: bringing him out now.
- 8:57Speaker 2: It's extremely calculated.
- 8:59Speaker 1: What goes through someone's mind to think that a police
- 9:02Speaker 1: department isn't going to subpoena phone records?
- 9:04Speaker 2: Or check the IP addresses.
- 9:06Speaker 1: Yeah, to see exactly what application generated those texts.
- 9:09Speaker 2: Well, it reveals a profound arrogance, honestly, intertwined with a
- 9:14Speaker 2: complete ignorance of modern digital forensics.
- 9:16Speaker 1: People think they're smarter than they are. Always.
- 9:19Speaker 2: There is a common misconception among the general public That
- 9:23Speaker 2: what appears on a screen is just accepted as ground truth.
- 9:27Speaker 1: Like, look, officer, it's right here on my iPhone.
- 9:29Speaker 2: Exactly. But law enforcement doesn't just look at a screen.
- 9:32Speaker 2: They look at the metadata. They look at carrier logs,
- 9:35Speaker 2: cell tower pings, IP routing.
- 9:38Speaker 1: The actual digital footprint.
- 9:40Speaker 2: A spoofed number leaves a glaring digital fingerprint. But, you know,
- 9:44Speaker 2: the technical failure of the lie is actually less important
- 9:48Speaker 2: than what it proves psychologically and legally.
- 9:50Speaker 1: What do you mean?
- 9:51Speaker 2: The existence of those fabricated text messages establishes a definitive
- 9:55Speaker 2: timeline of a cover-up.
- 9:56Speaker 1: Oh, because you don't build a fake text alibi while
- 9:59Speaker 1: a baby is sick. playing on the floor.
- 10:01Speaker 2: Exactly.
- 10:01Speaker 1: You build it after the inciting incident has already occurred.
- 10:04Speaker 2: Yes.
- 10:05Speaker 1: So Mays used the hours the father was at work,
- 10:07Speaker 1: the time he was supposedly, you know, providing care, not
- 10:11Speaker 1: to call emergency services, but to construct a theatrical prop
- 10:14Speaker 1: to save himself.
- 10:14Speaker 2: Which completely eradicates any potential defense claim of a sudden,
- 10:19Speaker 2: tragic accident followed by immediate panic.
- 10:21Speaker 1: Right, he can't say, oh, I dropped him and I
- 10:23Speaker 1: got scared.
- 10:24Speaker 2: No, because it transforms the narrative into a methodical, calculated
- 10:28Speaker 2: effort to obstruct justice. The digital deception serves as the
- 10:32Speaker 2: bridge that takes investigators from a missing person's case right
- 10:37Speaker 2: into a potential homicide investigation.
- 10:39Speaker 1: Even before a body is located?
- 10:41Speaker 2: Even before they find him. It forces the police to
- 10:44Speaker 2: stop looking outward into the community for a kidnapper and
- 10:47Speaker 2: to start looking deeply inward at the environment Mays was controlling.
- 10:51Speaker 1: Because if the baby wasn't handed off to a friend,
- 10:54Speaker 1: Mays had to have left him somewhere or something happened
- 10:57Speaker 1: within his immediate sphere of control. Right. The physical space
- 11:00Speaker 1: is no longer just the last known location. It is
- 11:03Speaker 1: a potential crime scene.
- 11:05Speaker 2: And that forces the investigation to expand geographically.
- 11:08Speaker 1: Which brings us to the search of the Harrison Street
- 11:10Speaker 1: home itself.
- 11:11Speaker 2: Yes. Law enforcement secures a search warrant for the residence
- 11:15Speaker 2: where the 911 call originated.
- 11:17Speaker 1: The father's home.
- 11:18Speaker 2: Right. And during the execution of this warrant, officers discover
- 11:21Speaker 2: what they suspect to be methamphetamine inside the home.
- 11:25Speaker 1: Okay, I am stuck on the logistics of this. Finding
- 11:28Speaker 1: drugs during a frantic search for a child.
- 11:31Speaker 2: It happens more often than you'd think.
- 11:33Speaker 1: Really? Because they are looking for an 11-month-old baby. If
- 11:38Speaker 1: an officer finds meth on a table... Do they pause
- 11:41Speaker 1: the missing person's search to process a drug scene, or
- 11:44Speaker 1: do they just document it and keep looking for the child?
- 11:47Speaker 2: They definitely do not stop.
- 11:49Speaker 1: Okay, so what does this all mean? Does finding meth
- 11:52Speaker 1: instantly change the temperature of the entire investigation in that moment?
- 11:56Speaker 2: The search for the child remains the absolute paramount objective.
- 11:59Speaker 2: They don't stop looking for the infant to catalog drug paraphernalia.
- 12:02Speaker 1: Right, you'd hope not.
- 12:03Speaker 2: However, the discovery operates on a parallel track that heavily
- 12:07Speaker 2: influences the investigation.
- 12:08Speaker 1: In what way?
- 12:09Speaker 2: Legally. Finding suspected methamphetamine in plain sight or during a
- 12:13Speaker 2: lawful search provides immediate, tangible grounds to detain and potentially
- 12:18Speaker 2: arrest Mays independent of the missing child case.
- 12:21Speaker 1: Oh, I see. It gives them leverage.
- 12:22Speaker 2: Immense leverage in an interrogation setting. But scientifically and contextually,
- 12:27Speaker 2: the implications are much, much darker.
- 12:29Speaker 1: Because methamphetamine isn't just some casual substance.
- 12:32Speaker 2: Not at all.
- 12:33Speaker 1: It radically alters a person's perception of reality.
- 12:36Speaker 2: It completely rewires the brain's fundamental processing centers.
- 12:40Speaker 1: Right.
- 12:40Speaker 2: Methamphetamine triggers an unnatural, massive flood of dopamine. This initially
- 12:45Speaker 2: causes euphoria, but it rapidly leads to severe psychological distortions.
- 12:49Speaker 1: Paranoia, things like that.
- 12:50Speaker 2: Exactly. Prolonged use or high-dose ingestion results in profound sleep deprivation,
- 12:56Speaker 2: and that heavily impacts the amygdala, which is the brain's
- 12:59Speaker 2: threat detection center. Wow. This can induce severe paranoia, auditory
- 13:04Speaker 2: and visual hallucinations, and highly erratic, inexplicable bursts of violence.
- 13:09Speaker 1: And obviously it impairs judgment.
- 13:11Speaker 2: Crucially, it severely dampens the brain's empathy response.
- 13:14Speaker 1: Which is terrifying when a baby is involved. So we
- 13:17Speaker 1: are no longer looking at a scenario where a teenager
- 13:20Speaker 1: might have simply been distracted by his phone or a
- 13:22Speaker 1: television show while a child wandered into danger. We are
- 13:26Speaker 1: looking at a scenario where the caregiver's ability to tolerate
- 13:30Speaker 1: normal infant behavior crying, needing to be fed, needing a
- 13:33Speaker 1: diaper change, is completely obliterated by a chemical substance.
- 13:38Speaker 2: The neurobiology of meth use means that an infant's cry,
- 13:42Speaker 2: which a sober brain processes as a distress signal requiring care.
- 13:46Speaker 1: Right. Your instinct is to comfort them.
- 13:48Speaker 2: Might be processed by a brain on meth as an intolerable,
- 13:52Speaker 2: aggressive threat.
- 13:53Speaker 1: That is deeply disturbing. It is.
- 13:56Speaker 2: It provides a horrifying lens through which investigators must view
- 13:59Speaker 2: those missing 19 hours. The discovery of the drugs anchors
- 14:03Speaker 2: the suspicion that severe neglect or active drug-induced violence is
- 14:07Speaker 2: a highly probable factor in Grayson's disappearance.
- 14:10Speaker 1: Yet, despite finding the drugs and exposing the lies, Grayson
- 14:13Speaker 1: is still not at the Harrison Street house.
- 14:15Speaker 2: No, he's not.
- 14:15Speaker 1: The search comes up empty regarding the child. The police
- 14:18Speaker 1: have Mays in custody. They have a collapsed alibi, but
- 14:21Speaker 1: they still lack the victim.
- 14:22Speaker 2: The most important piece.
- 14:23Speaker 1: Right. And this is where the investigation takes a crucial,
- 14:26Speaker 1: sudden pivot based entirely on community intelligence. A relative comes forward.
- 14:31Speaker 2: And this is often how these cases are broken open.
- 14:33Speaker 1: Somebody talks.
- 14:34Speaker 2: Yes. A relative reports to the police that they saw
- 14:37Speaker 2: Elijah Mays with the baby the night prior.
- 14:40Speaker 1: Friday, September 11th.
- 14:41Speaker 2: Exactly.
- 14:42Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 14:42Speaker 2: But not at the house in Central City.
- 14:44Speaker 1: Where did they see him?
- 14:45Speaker 2: They saw him at a completely different residence in the
- 14:48Speaker 2: nearby town of Cleeton.
- 14:50Speaker 1: Wow. You really have to consider the moral calculus that
- 14:54Speaker 1: relative was grappling with.
- 14:55Speaker 2: Oh, it must have been agonizing.
- 14:57Speaker 1: You hear that a baby is missing. You know the
- 14:59Speaker 1: police are swarming a house in Central City. And you
- 15:02Speaker 1: hold a piece of information that contradicts the suspect's timeline. Right.
- 15:06Speaker 1: Making that phone call means directing the full, intense focus
- 15:10Speaker 1: of a major police investigation onto your own family.
- 15:13Speaker 2: Onto a different property entirely.
- 15:15Speaker 1: Exactly. You are actively choosing to implicate someone you know
- 15:19Speaker 1: in a potential atrocity.
- 15:21Speaker 2: It requires immense courage and a profound commitment to the victim.
- 15:26Speaker 2: over familial loyalty.
- 15:28Speaker 1: It really does.
- 15:29Speaker 2: In small, interwoven communities like those in Willenburg County, law
- 15:33Speaker 2: enforcement relies heavily on this social fabric. The timeline of
- 15:37Speaker 2: the investigation shifts instantly based on this eyewitness account.
- 15:42Speaker 1: Because now they have a new location.
- 15:43Speaker 2: Yes. The police realize that Harrison Street is merely the
- 15:47Speaker 2: endpoint of the narrative. The actual events of Friday night
- 15:51Speaker 2: likely occurred at this secondary location in Cleeton.
- 15:54Speaker 1: So they're getting in their cruisers, driving to Cleeton, armed
- 15:57Speaker 1: with a second search warrant. Yep. They know the primary
- 16:00Speaker 1: suspect has lied to their faces. They know he manufactured
- 16:02Speaker 1: a fake digital paper trail. And they know illegal, highly
- 16:06Speaker 1: addictive drugs are involved.
- 16:08Speaker 2: The tension is just palpable at this point.
- 16:11Speaker 1: The mission parameters have completely changed. They aren't expecting a
- 16:14Speaker 1: happy ending anymore, are they?
- 16:15Speaker 2: Sadly, no. The protocol transitions from a frantic rescue operation
- 16:20Speaker 2: to a highly controlled crime scene investigation.
- 16:23Speaker 1: Preparing for the worst.
- 16:24Speaker 2: Exactly. When they approach the Cleeton property, they're operating under
- 16:28Speaker 2: the assumption of concealment.
- 16:30Speaker 1: Because of the lies.
- 16:31Speaker 2: Right. The suspect's entire pattern of behavior, the fake texts,
- 16:35Speaker 2: the false blame, dictates that hiding the truth is his
- 16:38Speaker 2: primary objective.
- 16:40Speaker 1: So they're looking for hiding spots.
- 16:41Speaker 2: Yes. Investigators are looking for disturbed earth, locked compartments, or
- 16:46Speaker 2: hidden spaces within the home.
- 16:48Speaker 1: And the execution of that search warrant in Clayton brings
- 16:51Speaker 1: the physical search to a devastating conclusion.
- 16:53Speaker 2: It does.
- 16:54Speaker 1: 11-month-old Grayson Walton is found dead.
- 16:57Speaker 2: It's just heartbreaking.
- 16:58Speaker 1: The police report states that the baby was found concealed
- 17:01Speaker 1: inside a couch at the property.
- 17:03Speaker 2: And the discovery of the body ends the mystery of
- 17:07Speaker 2: his whereabouts, obviously.
- 17:08Speaker 1: Right.
- 17:08Speaker 2: But the condition in which he was found elevates this
- 17:11Speaker 2: case from a tragedy of profound neglect... to an act
- 17:15Speaker 2: of active, deliberate atrocity.
- 17:17Speaker 1: Here is where it gets really interesting, or rather, profoundly disturbing.
- 17:21Speaker 1: The forensic reality of those injuries completely dismantles the idea
- 17:25Speaker 1: of an accident.
- 17:26Speaker 2: Completely.
- 17:26Speaker 1: It forces us to look at an active choice to
- 17:29Speaker 1: cause harm. The reports indicate that his body was covered
- 17:32Speaker 1: in bruises and had what appeared to be teeth marks
- 17:34Speaker 1: on his stomach. I mean, when you read those specific details,
- 17:37Speaker 1: it just strips away any clinical detachment. We need to
- 17:40Speaker 1: unpack the severity of these injuries.
- 17:43Speaker 2: We do. And from an analytical standpoint, we have to
- 17:45Speaker 2: look directly at what those specific injuries indicate forensically.
- 17:49Speaker 1: Okay.
- 17:50Speaker 2: In cases of child fatalities, injuries often fall on the spectrum.
- 17:54Speaker 2: Tragic neglect involves passive failures.
- 17:57Speaker 1: Like what?
- 17:57Speaker 2: A caregiver falls asleep. A child ingests the toxin. A
- 18:01Speaker 2: child drowns in a bathtub.
- 18:03Speaker 1: Awful, but passive. Right.
- 18:05Speaker 2: Those are horrific, but they are passive. The widespread bruising,
- 18:09Speaker 2: and specifically the bite marks, point to the exact opposite
- 18:13Speaker 2: mechanism of injury.
- 18:14Speaker 1: Because a bite mark on the torso of an infant
- 18:16Speaker 1: isn't something that happens in a moment of clumsy handling.
- 18:19Speaker 2: Not at all. Forensic odontology and pathology tell us that
- 18:22Speaker 2: bite marks inflicted on a defenseless infant are highly specific
- 18:26Speaker 2: indicators of intense, unregulated rage and primal aggression.
- 18:30Speaker 1: Primal aggression... That is chilling.
- 18:32Speaker 2: It requires a sustained, deliberate physical action against a victim
- 18:36Speaker 2: who cannot fight back.
- 18:37Speaker 1: Right. You have to physically hold the child down to
- 18:39Speaker 1: do that.
- 18:40Speaker 2: Exactly. It completely negates any potential defense narrative of an
- 18:45Speaker 2: accidental drop or a slip. You do not accidentally inflict
- 18:49Speaker 2: teeth marks on a child's stomach.
- 18:51Speaker 1: Obviously not.
- 18:52Speaker 2: The combination of bruising and bite marks paints a definitive
- 18:55Speaker 2: forensic picture of a caregiver as who actively and brutally
- 18:59Speaker 2: assaulted the child.
- 19:00Speaker 1: It is the ultimate betrayal of trust.
- 19:02Speaker 2: It really is.
- 19:03Speaker 1: A baby's only mechanism for communication is crying. And instead
- 19:07Speaker 1: of receiving comfort or basic care, Grayson was subjected to
- 19:11Speaker 1: fatal violence.
- 19:12Speaker 2: Yes.
- 19:12Speaker 1: And then his body was shoved inside a piece of
- 19:15Speaker 1: living room furniture.
- 19:17Speaker 2: And the method of concealment hiding the victim inside the
- 19:19Speaker 2: internal cavity of a couch is a crucial psychological and
- 19:23Speaker 2: legal detail.
- 19:24Speaker 1: How so?
- 19:24Speaker 2: It speaks to the immediate aftermath of the violence. Instead
- 19:27Speaker 2: of experiencing the remorse or sheer panic that might lead
- 19:30Speaker 2: someone to dial 911 in a desperate bid to save
- 19:32Speaker 2: the child's life.
- 19:33Speaker 1: Which a normal person would do.
- 19:35Speaker 2: Right. The immediate overriding instinct was self-preservation. The thought process was,
- 19:40Speaker 2: how do I hide this? Where can I put this
- 19:42Speaker 2: so I avoid consequences?
- 19:44Speaker 1: And that instinct for self-preservation dictates the massive cascade of
- 19:48Speaker 1: charges that Elijah makes. is hit with.
- 19:50Speaker 2: A very long list of charges.
- 19:52Speaker 1: The police don't just charge him with a single blanket crime.
- 19:56Speaker 1: They break down his actions into specific, severe offenses.
- 20:00Speaker 2: The Central City Police applied charges with surgical precision based
- 20:04Speaker 2: on the evidence recovered.
- 20:05Speaker 1: Let's break down why each specific charge was applied.
- 20:09Speaker 2: Well, the charge of murder stems directly from the fatal
- 20:11Speaker 2: injuries inflicted.
- 20:13Speaker 1: That one is obvious.
- 20:14Speaker 2: Right. But he is also charged with first-degree criminal abuse.
- 20:17Speaker 1: What does that entail legally?
- 20:20Speaker 2: Under Kentucky law, this implies that he intentionally abused another person,
- 20:25Speaker 2: placing them in a situation that may cause serious physical injury,
- 20:29Speaker 2: with the victim being under 12 years old.
- 20:30Speaker 1: Okay.
- 20:31Speaker 2: The bite marks and widespread bruising securely establish the foundation
- 20:35Speaker 2: for this charge. proving a pattern of abuse beyond just
- 20:38Speaker 2: the fatal blow.
- 20:39Speaker 1: Then you have tampering with physical evidence, which seems to
- 20:42Speaker 1: operate on multiple levels in this case.
- 20:43Speaker 2: It does. It operates digitally and physically. By creating fake
- 20:47Speaker 2: text messages to mislead the police, he actively tampered with
- 20:51Speaker 2: the investigated timeline and digital evidence.
- 20:53Speaker 1: That's a digital side. Right.
- 20:55Speaker 2: Furthermore, the physical relocation and concealment of Grayson's body, moving
- 20:59Speaker 2: a victim from the location of the fatal incident and
- 21:01Speaker 2: hiding them to impair law enforcement's discovery... That is textbook tampering.
- 21:07Speaker 1: And then there is the charge of abuse of a corpse.
- 21:10Speaker 2: Which is a very specific, gruesome charge.
- 21:13Speaker 1: Yeah, how does the law define that?
- 21:15Speaker 2: In many jurisdictions, intentionally treating a human corpse in a
- 21:19Speaker 2: way that would outrage ordinary family sensibilities qualifies as abuse
- 21:23Speaker 2: of a corpse.
- 21:24Speaker 1: I see.
- 21:25Speaker 2: Stuffing an infant inside a piece of furniture to decay
- 21:28Speaker 2: while you travel to another house and lie to the
- 21:30Speaker 2: child's father... is the very definition of outreaching human sensibilities.
- 21:34Speaker 1: It's horrific.
- 21:35Speaker 2: It shows a complete disregard for the dignity of the victim.
- 21:37Speaker 1: Finally, possession of a controlled substance ties back to the
- 21:41Speaker 1: suspected methamphetamine found at the Harrison Street home.
- 21:45Speaker 2: Right, providing the chemical context for the erratic behavior we
- 21:48Speaker 2: discussed earlier.
- 21:49Speaker 1: Mays pleaded not guilty to all charges and is held
- 21:52Speaker 1: at the Mullenberg County Detention Center.
- 21:55Speaker 2: But the arrests didn't stop with him.
- 21:57Speaker 1: No, they didn't. And this is where the narrative expands
- 22:00Speaker 1: from a single perpetrator into a deeply disturbing family dynamic.
- 22:04Speaker 2: Yes. Shortly after May's arrest, investigators make a secondary arrest.
- 22:08Speaker 1: Who did they arrest?
- 22:09Speaker 2: They apprehend the baby's step-grandfather, Jeff Barnett.
- 22:13Speaker 1: Step-grandfather?
- 22:14Speaker 2: The critical detail here is that Barnett's address is listed
- 22:18Speaker 2: as the exact same home in Clayton where Grace and
- 22:21Speaker 2: his body was discovered inside the couch.
- 22:24Speaker 1: Okay, I have to ask about this. Are we looking
- 22:25Speaker 1: at a conspiracy of panic or a calculated family cover-up?
- 22:29Speaker 2: It's a dark question.
- 22:31Speaker 1: I mean, it is one thing for a 19-year-old on
- 22:33Speaker 1: drugs to do something horrific and attempt to hide it.
- 22:36Speaker 1: It is entirely another for a grown man, the step-grandfather
- 22:39Speaker 1: of the child, to allegedly participate in the aftermath. Barnett
- 22:43Speaker 1: is charged with tampering with physical evidence.
- 22:46Speaker 2: It points to a catastrophic failure of the adult safety net.
- 22:49Speaker 2: The implications of a secondary arrest at the same property.
- 22:52Speaker 2: raise horrifying questions about the timeline and the environment.
- 22:55Speaker 1: Like, was he there?
- 22:57Speaker 2: Exactly.
- 22:57Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 22:58Speaker 2: Was Burnett present when the abuse occurred? If he was
- 23:01Speaker 2: absent during the violence, at what point did he discover
- 23:04Speaker 2: the body?
- 23:04Speaker 1: And what did he do then?
- 23:05Speaker 2: Right. Most importantly, when he realized an infant was dead
- 23:09Speaker 2: inside his home, what psychological gymnastics did he perform to
- 23:14Speaker 2: conclude that helping a teenager conceal the body was a
- 23:17Speaker 2: viable option? rather than dialing emergency services.
- 23:21Speaker 1: It fundamentally deepens the tragedy for you as a listener.
- 23:23Speaker 2: It makes it so much heavier.
- 23:25Speaker 1: As a society, we rely on the intervention of responsible adults.
- 23:29Speaker 1: Even if a primary caregiver snaps, we operate on the
- 23:32Speaker 1: assumption that the older generation, the homeowner, the grandfather, will
- 23:36Speaker 1: act as the voice of reason.
- 23:37Speaker 2: That they'll be the protector.
- 23:38Speaker 1: Yeah. We assume they will intervene, stop the madness, and
- 23:41Speaker 1: call the authorities. Instead, he allegedly becomes an accessory after
- 23:45Speaker 1: the fact.
- 23:46Speaker 2: It demonstrates how dysfunction and the normalization of deviance can
- 23:50Speaker 2: permeate an entire household. When the moral compass of an
- 23:53Speaker 2: environment is so fundamentally broken that concealing a murdered infant
- 23:58Speaker 2: becomes a shared objective, it becomes clear that Grayson never
- 24:02Speaker 2: stood a chance.
- 24:03Speaker 1: Because everyone failed him.
- 24:05Speaker 2: The very individuals tethered to him as protectors became his concealers.
- 24:10Speaker 1: It is a suffocating reality to process.
- 24:12Speaker 2: It really is.
- 24:13Speaker 1: And with the suspects sitting in detention centers awaiting their
- 24:16Speaker 1: court dates, we have to make a conscious decision in
- 24:19Speaker 1: this deep dive.
- 24:20Speaker 2: What's that?
- 24:21Speaker 1: We cannot allow the perpetrators to monopolize the narrative.
- 24:24Speaker 2: Absolutely not.
- 24:24Speaker 1: We have to shift the focus away from the mechanics
- 24:27Speaker 1: of the crime and bring it back to the victim
- 24:30Speaker 1: and the devastated community left in the wake of this tragedy.
- 24:33Speaker 2: That is essential. In any analysis of violent crime, focusing
- 24:37Speaker 2: solely on the forensic details, And the perpetrators can inadvertently
- 24:41Speaker 2: erase the humanity of the person who was lost.
- 24:43Speaker 1: Exactly. So we need to anchor on who Grayson Walton
- 24:46Speaker 1: actually was.
- 24:47Speaker 2: Tell us about him.
- 24:48Speaker 1: Well, the source material details that he died just two
- 24:52Speaker 1: weeks before he would have celebrated his first birthday.
- 24:54Speaker 2: Just two weeks.
- 24:55Speaker 1: He never got to experience that milestone. And according to
- 24:59Speaker 1: his obituary, he was a deeply happy baby.
- 25:01Speaker 2: You love to hear that, even though it makes it harder.
- 25:03Speaker 1: Right. He loved the water. He loved watching Mrs. Rachel videos.
- 25:07Speaker 1: He loved playing with other kids. And the obituary specifically
- 25:11Speaker 1: notes that he, quote.
- 25:14Speaker 2: The contrast there is what makes the reality of his
- 25:17Speaker 2: death so intensely painful.
- 25:20Speaker 1: It's a stark contrast.
- 25:21Speaker 2: You have a child whose defining characteristic, according to those
- 25:25Speaker 2: who knew him best, was an open, trusting nature. He
- 25:29Speaker 2: never met a stranger.
- 25:30Speaker 1: He just assumed people were good.
- 25:32Speaker 2: Exactly. He engaged with the world with an inherent assumption
- 25:35Speaker 2: that of safety and kindness.
- 25:37Speaker 1: And that inherent trust was met with the darkest, most
- 25:39Speaker 1: violent reality imaginable. As we discuss this case, it's vital
- 25:43Speaker 1: to remember that Grayson was not just evidence.
- 25:46Speaker 2: No, he wasn't.
- 25:47Speaker 1: He was not just a tragic headline. He was a
- 25:49Speaker 1: little boy who likes splashing in the water and watching
- 25:52Speaker 1: colorful songs on a screen.
- 25:53Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 25:54Speaker 1: Holding on to those bright, innocent details is our responsibility
- 25:58Speaker 1: as we navigate the darkness of the crime.
- 26:00Speaker 2: And this raises a crucial point about how communities process
- 26:03Speaker 2: a trauma that Feels.
- 26:05Speaker 1: This unnaturally small towns.
- 26:07Speaker 2: Right. Exactly. When a crime of this magnitude happens in
- 26:10Speaker 2: a tight knit area like Central City or Clayton, the
- 26:14Speaker 2: grief cannot be contained within the immediate family's walls.
- 26:17Speaker 1: Everyone feels it.
- 26:18Speaker 2: The trauma is communal. It bleeds into the grocery stores,
- 26:21Speaker 2: the local diners, the sidewalks. The community's sense of foundational
- 26:25Speaker 2: safety is completely shattered.
- 26:27Speaker 1: And you see that perfectly illustrated in the community vigil
- 26:30Speaker 1: held on September 17th. Right. People didn't just stay home
- 26:34Speaker 1: and post condolences on social media. They physically gathered.
- 26:38Speaker 2: They showed up.
- 26:38Speaker 1: They lit candles in the dark. The organizer of the vigil,
- 26:41Speaker 1: Georgina Salings, stood up and said, speak his name. Don't
- 26:45Speaker 1: let him be forgotten.
- 26:46Speaker 2: Demanding that the community speak his name is actually a
- 26:49Speaker 2: profound sociological tool.
- 26:52Speaker 1: In what way?
- 26:52Speaker 2: Well, in the immediate aftermath of a brutal publicized crime,
- 26:56Speaker 2: the public consciousness is often dominated by the perpetrator.
- 26:59Speaker 1: The killer's face is everywhere.
- 27:01Speaker 2: Exactly. Their actions are debated, their faces on the news.
- 27:04Speaker 2: By gathering and demanding that the community speak Grayson's name,
- 27:09Speaker 2: they are actively reclaiming the narrative.
- 27:11Speaker 1: Reclaiming the power.
- 27:12Speaker 2: Yes. They are asserting the story of our town is
- 27:16Speaker 2: not about the monster who committed this act. It is
- 27:19Speaker 2: about the boy we lost. It is a psychological mechanism
- 27:23Speaker 2: for a community to take power back from the violence.
- 27:27Speaker 1: Another attendee at the vigil, Jennifer Banks... noted that Grayson's
- 27:31Speaker 1: immediate family is devastated, and she added a quote that
- 27:34Speaker 1: really encapsulates the small-town experience.
- 27:36Speaker 2: What did she say?
- 27:37Speaker 1: She said, To live in a small community is to
- 27:40Speaker 1: feel everything together. It's like we're all family.
- 27:43Speaker 2: And that is the double-edged sword of a small town.
- 27:45Speaker 1: Right.
- 27:46Speaker 2: When times are good, you have an incredible interwoven support network.
- 27:50Speaker 2: But when a nightmare occurs, the betrayal feels deeply personal
- 27:53Speaker 2: to everyone.
- 27:54Speaker 1: Because everyone knows everyone.
- 27:55Speaker 2: Exactly. Everyone knows someone who knows the father... Everyone recognizes
- 27:59Speaker 2: the streets involved. The shockwaves hit every single door.
- 28:03Speaker 1: You can't escape it.
- 28:04Speaker 2: No. The collective mourning we see at that vigil is
- 28:08Speaker 2: the community's attempt to metabolize a horror that is fundamentally indigestible.
- 28:14Speaker 2: They are trying to knit the social fabric back together
- 28:17Speaker 2: after it has been violently torn apart.
- 28:18Speaker 1: And as we sit here discussing this, it is not
- 28:21Speaker 1: enough to just analyze the sociology of grief.
- 28:23Speaker 2: We have to take action.
- 28:24Speaker 1: Right. We have to translate this horror into a concrete story.
- 28:28Speaker 1: actionable reality for you listening right now.
- 28:30Speaker 2: It's so important.
- 28:32Speaker 1: The source material for this story explicitly includes the Child
- 28:35Speaker 1: Health National Child Abuse Hotline. That number is 1-800-4-A-CHILD. Or
- 28:40Speaker 1: if you prefer the digits, 1-800-422-4453.
- 28:45Speaker 2: The inclusion of that hotline is not just a formality.
- 28:49Speaker 2: It is a vital call to action.
- 28:50Speaker 1: We weave this in because it matters.
- 28:52Speaker 2: Grayson's story is an extreme, fatal manifestation of an abuse
- 28:56Speaker 2: epidemic that often hides in plain sight. It reminds us
- 28:59Speaker 2: of the absolute necessity of societal vigilance.
- 29:01Speaker 1: We can't just be passive bystanders. No.
- 29:03Speaker 2: We cannot operate under the assumption that someone else is
- 29:06Speaker 2: paying attention or that someone else will make the call.
- 29:08Speaker 1: If you see something, if you hear something concerning through
- 29:11Speaker 1: the walls of an apartment, if you notice an unexplained
- 29:14Speaker 1: pattern of bruising or a sudden, drastic change in a
- 29:18Speaker 1: child's demeanor, you have a responsibility to act.
- 29:21Speaker 2: You don't have to be a detective.
- 29:22Speaker 1: Right. You do not need to be absolutely certain to
- 29:25Speaker 1: make a call. You just need to care enough to
- 29:28Speaker 1: let professionals investigate. We have to look out for the
- 29:31Speaker 1: Graysons of the world because they literally lack the vocabulary
- 29:35Speaker 1: to ask for help themselves.
- 29:36Speaker 2: Overriding the bystander effect is our ultimate sin. duty. Protecting
- 29:42Speaker 2: the most vulnerable demographic in our society requires an active,
- 29:46Speaker 2: sometimes uncomfortable willingness to intervene and ask difficult questions.
- 29:51Speaker 1: Let's look at the sweeping landscape we have traversed in
- 29:53Speaker 1: this deep dive.
- 29:54Speaker 2: I've been a lot.
- 29:55Speaker 1: We started with a father walking into an empty house,
- 29:58Speaker 1: expecting the warmth of his child and finding only silence.
- 30:01Speaker 2: A nightmare.
- 30:02Speaker 1: We traced the frantic initial response through a labyrinth of
- 30:06Speaker 1: 19-year-old Elijah Mays' deception. We saw a fabricated alibi collapse
- 30:11Speaker 1: under basic scrutiny, and we analyzed the terrifying premeditation of
- 30:16Speaker 1: creating fake digital text messages to obstruct justice.
- 30:20Speaker 2: Then we watched the investigation pivot geographically.
- 30:23Speaker 1: Guided by the crucial bravery of a relative stepping forward
- 30:26Speaker 1: to provide a tip.
- 30:27Speaker 2: We analyzed how the discovery of suspected methamphetamine altered the
- 30:31Speaker 2: physiological and legal context of the crime, stripping away the
- 30:35Speaker 2: caregiver's empathy response.
- 30:36Speaker 1: And we confronted the agonizing reality of the Cleeton property.
- 30:40Speaker 1: The discovery of an 11-month-old boy, brutalized, hidden inside a
- 30:44Speaker 1: piece of living room furniture.
- 30:45Speaker 2: So dark.
- 30:46Speaker 1: We broke down the cascade of severe legal charges and
- 30:50Speaker 1: the deeply disturbing secondary arrest of a step-grandfather who allegedly
- 30:54Speaker 1: chose complicity over intervention.
- 30:56Speaker 2: And finally, we ended with Grayson Walton.
- 30:58Speaker 1: A boy who loved the water and a community standing
- 31:01Speaker 1: in the dark demanding his name be spoken.
- 31:03Speaker 2: It is a heavy journey.
- 31:04Speaker 1: It really is.
- 31:05Speaker 2: But if there is one final provocative thought I want
- 31:08Speaker 2: to leave you to mull over, it is the terrifying
- 31:10Speaker 2: illusion of safety.
- 31:12Speaker 1: The illusion of safety.
- 31:13Speaker 2: Yes. We live in a modern world where we are
- 31:16Speaker 2: hypervigilant about external threats. We lock our doors, we install
- 31:20Speaker 2: security cameras, we teach children about stranger danger.
- 31:23Speaker 1: We're always looking outside for the bad guys.
- 31:25Speaker 2: Yet, statistically and historically, the most profound dangers to the
- 31:30Speaker 2: vulnerable do not come from the shadowy figure in the alley.
- 31:32Speaker 1: Where do they come from?
- 31:33Speaker 2: They lurk right inside our designated safe zones. The trusted babysitter.
- 31:39Speaker 2: The family friend. The relative's house.
- 31:42Speaker 1: The people who already have keys to the front door.
- 31:44Speaker 2: Exactly. The very structures designed to provide care could become
- 31:47Speaker 2: the architectures of abuse. It leaves us with a haunting
- 31:50Speaker 2: question to explore long after this deep dive is over.
- 31:53Speaker 1: What's that?
- 31:54Speaker 2: How can we ever truly build fail-proof safety nets for
- 31:57Speaker 2: the most vulnerable among us when the threats so often
- 32:00Speaker 2: wear the most familiar, trusted faces? How do we audit
- 32:03Speaker 2: trust itself?
- 32:05Speaker 1: Wow. That is a question that does not have an
- 32:08Speaker 1: easy answer, but it is one we absolutely have to
- 32:10Speaker 1: keep asking. We want to thank you for joining us
- 32:13Speaker 1: on this incredibly heavy but necessary deep dive.
- 32:16Speaker 2: Thanks for listening, everyone.
- 32:18Speaker 1: It is hard to look at stories like this, but
- 32:20Speaker 1: turning away doesn't make them stop happening. Keep asking the
- 32:24Speaker 1: hard questions, keep looking out for one another, and be
- 32:28Speaker 1: the safety net for someone who might need it.
- 32:30Speaker 2: Because as we saw today, the nightmare doesn't always wait
- 32:33Speaker 2: in the dark.
- 32:34Speaker 1: No, it doesn't. Sometimes it is exactly what you find
- 32:36Speaker 1: when you come home from a long shift at work,
- 32:38Speaker 1: turn the key in the lock, and step inside. Take
- 32:41Speaker 1: care of yourselves and we'll see you next time.