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Episode 285: Outcast (SG-A 4.15) · Get Into Gate: A Stargate Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Get into Gate episode two hundred and eighty five. It
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  Speaker 1: sounds like it's, you know, a mark that I like
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  Speaker 1: five so I deal with unifives and tens. It should
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  Speaker 1: mean something. Hey that that comes from Maddie, I Mitch,
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  Speaker 1: that's Maddie.
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  Speaker 2: Hey.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Hey, we can't actually play that behind because
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  Speaker 1: Spotify will take us down.
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  Speaker 2: Can we play the acoustic version from Scrubs?
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  Speaker 1: Sure? I mean I don't know whether line, what's his name?
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  Speaker 1: What's the guy's name? Zak Brat's gonna come in and
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  Speaker 1: you know, maybe send it, send a notice.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the guy that sings it is dead now, so
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  Speaker 2: is that better or worse?
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  Speaker 1: That's certainly worse for me. That makes it awkward. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: really brought me by that.
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  Speaker 2: One, Ted the lawyer, I can't remember his name. Now
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  Speaker 2: that's going.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I like that guy.
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  Speaker 2: He passed away a couple drink ovid passed away. Oh god,
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  Speaker 2: I had like a brain in urism.
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  Speaker 1: Oh it really, it gets a lot better. I'm glad
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  Speaker 1: I made fun of that at the start.
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  Speaker 2: So aplifting start.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into it. Mitchmitch, Mitchmitch Richman. Any of the
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  Speaker 1: old synopsis for episode A number fifteen. What of season
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  Speaker 1: four of Stargate Atlantis outcast Shepherd and Ronan meet Ava Dixon,
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  Speaker 1: who has created a dangerous human form replicator. What I
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  Speaker 1: thought they were gone? That has escaped and must be
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  Speaker 1: recaptured at all cost. Anyway, I'm sorry, but that just
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  Speaker 1: happens to be how I feel about it. What do
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  Speaker 1: you think this one?
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  Speaker 2: What do you think? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: I mean part of me? I last week, remember I
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  Speaker 1: came in hot and I was like, nah, I'll call
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  Speaker 1: that evil sister of the princess who was the secondary
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  Speaker 1: character of last week? What?
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  Speaker 2: Who the evil one?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? Thank god, I thought you had been disgusting there
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  Speaker 1: for a second.
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  Speaker 2: Man, Come on, little mister Laris is number one there,
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  Speaker 2: and you're telling me you didn't see the cans and
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  Speaker 2: the evil sister last week.
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  Speaker 1: On the Lives of My Children. I will swear that
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  Speaker 1: I didn't. Wow. I was too busy looking at her
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  Speaker 1: evil face calling out going eil. I knew it certainly
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  Speaker 1: wasn't doing it to this guy, Like obviously there was,
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  Speaker 1: I mean a couple of things going on. At the
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  Speaker 1: start of this. You get the notice that I'm sorry, John,
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  Speaker 1: your father has passed, and then it just randomly cuts
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  Speaker 1: to someplace on Earth, I presume with some woman who's
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  Speaker 1: like got surveillance photos and stuff of John and articles
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  Speaker 1: about his dad, and like what the's going on here? Okay?
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  Speaker 1: And then we get to the house and now I
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  Speaker 1: know that actor that plays his brother. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: his name. I can't IMDBM or anything.
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  Speaker 2: Like you chat amongst yourselves, and I'll look.
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  Speaker 1: He's not even one of those faces like he has
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  Speaker 1: been in a lot of stuff, like a lot of
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  Speaker 1: TV he pops up in and now he's got like
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  Speaker 1: a very he's very handsome. He's got that sort of
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  Speaker 1: all American type look about him, right if you're outside America,
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  Speaker 1: he's got got that like you know, it' tall. He's
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  Speaker 1: got the jawline like he's got them. He could be
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  Speaker 1: built if they wanted to jack him up or anything
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  Speaker 1: like that. Like he's just got that sort of look
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  Speaker 1: about him. But he's also got to look like he
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  Speaker 1: could be some conniving, you know, backstabber and and you know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe a cheating husband or a guy that tries to
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  Speaker 1: you know, you know, run you around at work sort
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  Speaker 1: of thing, like you know, coming and early clients.
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  Speaker 2: And I know where you know, him for where do
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  Speaker 2: I know him? First credit with his name's Dylan Neil
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  Speaker 2: and when you opened up on IMDb. First two credits.
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  Speaker 2: He plays Bob in Fifty Shades of Gray and fifty
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  Speaker 2: Shades Freed.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I've no, I haven't seen Freed. I've seen
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  Speaker 1: gray and I've seen Darker reluctantly. I mean both reluctantly.
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  Speaker 1: Let's be fair, you know what the first little side note,
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  Speaker 1: I watched Fifty Shades of Gray. I believe the way
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  Speaker 1: that they intended it to be watched with no pencil
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  Speaker 1: at the drive in. Oh so poor quality audio and
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  Speaker 1: visuals only because it was pissing down with.
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  Speaker 2: Rain in the back seat doing some yellow pages.
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  Speaker 1: No, my wife was breastfeeding, Oh very sexy.
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  Speaker 2: So wait was there a child in the car When
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  Speaker 2: she's breastfeeding you?
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  Speaker 1: She shades a gray mate like we've all got our
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  Speaker 1: own kicks. Yeah, but I do not remember him. But
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  Speaker 1: he's got that look. He looked like he could be
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  Speaker 1: the main guy from fifty s. Like he's got that
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  Speaker 1: look about him. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Twenty thirteen to twenty fourteen, he was in ten episodes
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  Speaker 2: of Arrow, where he played doctor Anthony Ivo.
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  Speaker 1: I probably, yeah, you know what. That might be the
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  Speaker 1: most recent thing that I remember him from. Again, I
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  Speaker 1: bet doctor Ivo is a bad guy. That was just
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  Speaker 1: a round, right, So he's got Ivo was.
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  Speaker 2: I think he worked at what's the Insane Asylum in
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  Speaker 2: Gotham Arkham? Yeah, I think they worked at Arkham probably,
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  Speaker 2: or he created Amazo the robot.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well, I mean Arrow was you know, the CW's
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  Speaker 1: version of Batman in many ways, so yeah, they probably
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  Speaker 1: stole their character as well.
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  Speaker 2: He was Hermes in Percy Jackson The Lightning Thief.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely saw that, but when it came out one hundred
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  Speaker 1: years ago, I had him pegged in this episode as
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  Speaker 1: being something begging.
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  Speaker 2: That's another thing you'd like to do with the driving.
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  Speaker 1: Well again, fifty shades are great. I don't know that.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't like I was he killed his own father
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  Speaker 1: that I'm like, there's something going on with this guy.
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  Speaker 1: What's going on?
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  Speaker 2: It's in twenty episodes of Dawson's Creek, where he played
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  Speaker 2: a character named Doug whitter.
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  Speaker 1: Apps, And again he would have been like the main
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  Speaker 1: like you know, antagonist to Dawson or to Pacey or
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  Speaker 1: something like that. He would have He's got that look
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  Speaker 1: about him man, like he can play that guy. So
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  Speaker 1: when they bring him into this, I thought that's what
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  Speaker 1: he was going to be. Now when you first see
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  Speaker 1: I think, is it the is it? The brother walks
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  Speaker 1: over to him and maybe the ex wife.
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  Speaker 2: Either way, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: The credit pops up and says it's based on a
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  Speaker 1: story concept by Mate. So I didn't read that in
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  Speaker 1: the synopsis.
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  Speaker 2: The loops they had to go around where it said
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  Speaker 2: not just they didn't just give give Joe a story credit. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they had to make up this thing that says based
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  Speaker 2: upon episode concept right by Joe flanagansuse otherwise.
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  Speaker 1: It's like it's Stargates at the one O one written
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  Speaker 1: by Alan mccarch and directed by Andy mckeita, right, So
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  Speaker 1: like we've got a lot of mainstays there writing directing it.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, so say it again that they've given it.
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  Speaker 2: A story instead of a story credit. He's not based
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  Speaker 2: upon episode concept by Joe Flanagan.
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  Speaker 1: So like he walked into the room and go, you
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  Speaker 1: know a really good idea if we explore maybe Shepherd's dad.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't know anything about it. We don't know
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  Speaker 2: anything about Shepherd.
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  Speaker 1: Why do I make him have a brother, and that's it.
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  Speaker 1: That's it, that's probably what happened. Yeah, Joe, if you're listening,
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  Speaker 1: obviously you did more work than that. I'm just saying
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  Speaker 1: what the credit suggests. So I'm like, oh, this will
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  Speaker 1: be interesting. Okay, cool. So we get to explore his family,
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  Speaker 1: even the fact I'm like, going, do we know much
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  Speaker 1: about him? And Ronan says, why did you never mention
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  Speaker 1: you had a brother before? He's like, it's complicated, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, right, And it would be complicated if
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  Speaker 1: you get called back from the other side of the
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  Speaker 1: universe to come to your dad's funeral, you meet up
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  Speaker 1: with your brother who you don't speak with anymore. There's
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  Speaker 1: clearly a lot of shit going on between you two
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  Speaker 1: and has for a long time. And now we're going
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  Speaker 1: to get to explore that while something else is going
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  Speaker 1: on on Earth. And that's why we saw that that
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  Speaker 1: woman there and then he leaves and I'm watching it
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  Speaker 1: and I'm looking at the time code and I'm not joking,
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  Speaker 1: gout to what the episodes of forty one minutes and
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  Speaker 1: forty seconds, right, it was at forty minutes and fifteen seconds,
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  Speaker 1: so a minute thirty five until the end of the credits. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and still there was no like, they hadn't mentioned the brother,
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  Speaker 1: they hadn't mentioned the father. There was nothing about about
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  Speaker 1: John's family, nothing, And I'm like, they actually can't. So
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  Speaker 1: the beginning and the end of this family thing was
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  Speaker 1: him getting a call your dad has passed away. And
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  Speaker 1: the end of it was after five minutes of episode
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  Speaker 1: time when he leaves and says to his brother, no,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not here for his money, and he goes, well,
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  Speaker 1: Dad really wanted to make up with you, and it
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  Speaker 1: sucks that you guys didn't leaves. That felt like it
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  Speaker 1: was going to be folded up by something else. And
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  Speaker 1: then with literally a minute thirty five left on or
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  Speaker 1: not even minute a minute five seconds almost left on
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  Speaker 1: the running time of the whole full episode.
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  Speaker 2: Forty five seconds of credits to go at the end.
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  Speaker 1: Well, then in that case they're with, yeah, thirty five
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  Speaker 1: seconds left to go on the episode, they still had
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  Speaker 1: not made a second mention, and then all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: he's like, ah, something I gotta do, and I'm like, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 1: here we go.
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  Speaker 2: Nancy got three scenes. She had the scene on the bench,
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  Speaker 2: and then she got the scene in the car where
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  Speaker 2: she found all the information for him.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, and he goes back and open the door,
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  Speaker 1: get in here.
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  Speaker 2: Yea.
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  Speaker 1: Now, who do you get the idea who's who's who's older,
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  Speaker 1: who's younger.
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  Speaker 2: I believe your heart throb guy is the older brother.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it would make more sense for a like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the oldest is like, no, yes, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: do what daddy and mummy say, and the second guy's like, nah,
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  Speaker 1: you got my life planned out for me. But I
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  Speaker 1: feel like like Joe Flanning and because of the scruffy
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  Speaker 1: hair that that shepherd has, and maybe he's a bit
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  Speaker 1: more weathered because of the ship that he's seen. He is,
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  Speaker 1: but almost look, and I've got a weird thing. It's
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  Speaker 1: like if you're shorter, Like like, I'm the tallest of
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  Speaker 1: my family, but I'm also the oldest, you know. It's
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  Speaker 1: like I'm taller than Link. Link is taller than our
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  Speaker 1: sister Jamie. That's the age, right, Like I look at
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  Speaker 1: other family members and families that I know like that
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  Speaker 1: that it's obviously not a rule, but just the people
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  Speaker 1: that I grew up with and people that I know friends, right,
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  Speaker 1: I think Brendan's taller than Ree's right, and then they've
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  Speaker 1: got their younger sister, Like it just works out like that.
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  Speaker 1: So when I see two brothers and one's taller, I go, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you're the older one. But in this case, I when
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  Speaker 1: Joe or rather John got two sisters, two oldest sisters. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so it's a weirder rule. Yeah, And I'm thinking, who
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  Speaker 1: is the older did you, like, did you let your
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  Speaker 1: father down so much because you were the oldest and
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  Speaker 1: he had your life planned out? And you're like, not me.
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  Speaker 1: Whereas the second son comes along and sees his dad
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  Speaker 1: and wants to impress his dad and doesn't want to
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  Speaker 1: make the mistakes that his brother did that his dad
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  Speaker 1: said were mistakes, not that they were just in that house,
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  Speaker 1: and just wants to do whatever ever A daddy, you know, said,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, I would have liked to have explored
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  Speaker 1: shit like that.
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  Speaker 2: But you can choose your an adventure, because Holly, I
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  Speaker 2: did google it. Dylan Neil as of twenty twenty five,
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  Speaker 2: fifty five years old, and Joe Flanagan as of twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty five is fifty eight years old. Joe is older,
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  Speaker 2: is a.
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  Speaker 1: Life years and beautiful Saltan pepper beard that Joe Flanagan's
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  Speaker 1: had the last couple of years.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, looks still more salt than pepper is as
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  Speaker 2: we go on. But yeah, me too.
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  Speaker 1: Oh mate, I'm doing that. I feel like I'm not
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  Speaker 1: even going to go gray. I think I'm gonna go white.
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  Speaker 1: I'll be Steve Martin, like at forty ogbi, you know,
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  Speaker 1: white fox Sarah identify. The other night, I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I was having a shave, and I don't I have
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  Speaker 1: a clean shave, a clean chap, but maybe once a year.
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  Speaker 1: And I was just sort of trimming with the electric
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  Speaker 1: thing on my face, getting down to that sort of
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  Speaker 1: like very short stubble, and then I had a couple
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  Speaker 1: of you know, long ones in the in the old yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, And I thought, I'm not plucking them, not
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  Speaker 1: pulling out scissors. I've got the electric thing and I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to take the risk by holding it up and
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  Speaker 1: just trying to anyway. She sees me do it, She's like,
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  Speaker 1: what are you What are you trimming? And I'm like
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  Speaker 1: just sitting down. I got like one or two like
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  Speaker 1: long ones. And then she said, have I have I
• 11:52
  Speaker 1: like mentioned to you yet about like maybe like maybe
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  Speaker 1: coloring those or like just like subtly, And I'm like,
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: have you subtly mentioned your eyebrows dyeing my eyebrows? There's
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  Speaker 1: no coloring them, like really subtly? I said, well, I
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  Speaker 1: mean no, you haven't. I'm automatically like all that can sucks.
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  Speaker 1: She said, you see people as she said her mom
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  Speaker 1: went and mum got to a certain age and was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, coloring her hair. She wasn't coloring her eyebrows.
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  Speaker 1: And then so she goes, eyebrows will aid you, because
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  Speaker 1: people will dye their hair, but they won't do the eyebrows,
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  Speaker 1: and the eyebrows tell the truth, right, Like that's it.
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  Speaker 1: You know. People are oh, I'm a natural blonde. It's
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  Speaker 1: like your eyebrows are the darkest shade of brown. They
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  Speaker 1: are all fifty shades of brown.
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  Speaker 2: I used to use clear sel wipes on my face
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  Speaker 2: and they had bleach in them. So when I would
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  Speaker 2: accidentally just kind of like you know, swipe the outside
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  Speaker 2: of my eyebrows, the outside of my eyebrows would go
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  Speaker 2: like blonde, bleach blonde. Yeah, so had to stop doing that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I've been known to every now and then just to
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  Speaker 2: get rid of the salt and pepper sometimes I'll do
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  Speaker 2: some of that just for men, which just a little
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  Speaker 2: rins through. Yeah, it just doesn't see.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't done it. It always No, I'm going to grow
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  Speaker 1: age gracefull. I'm not gonna I'm gonna do that. So
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  Speaker 1: if we're gonna get bald, I'm gonna go bald, we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna go gray or white, I'm gonna go. Then that first,
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  Speaker 1: that first non like dark brown chest hair that I saw,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, oh no, I mean that was
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  Speaker 1: years ago. Now there's a there's a whole camp side.
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  Speaker 2: Of migrating south.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yes, well I haven't got that yet. That'll be
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  Speaker 1: that'll be the real tester about how I feel. So yeah, Joe,
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  Speaker 1: I mean stunning, stunning bit oh my god, it's glorious.
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  Speaker 1: Well there you go. I would naturally look at Joe
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  Speaker 1: and go, we're the older brother. So I wouldst like
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  Speaker 1: to explore, Yes, there you go, I'd like to explore.
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: Not that that matters, but maybe it did, maybe the relationship,
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  Speaker 1: but it just felt like, hey, here's this cool, interesting content.
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  Speaker 1: Look at this look replicated human made replicate through every here.
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  Speaker 2: Apparently no one at the SGC was available. So even
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  Speaker 2: though because I say, Joe, even though John was technically
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  Speaker 2: on like like personal leave, you know, he just decided
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  Speaker 2: to just go and run this mission about replicators. Yeah,
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: he knows nothing about replicators. Like old mate Bill Lee
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  Speaker 2: had Doctor Lee had to show him. I had to
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  Speaker 2: explain to him what was it the neutronium or whatever
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  Speaker 2: it was. Yeah, He'd like he didn't even know what
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  Speaker 2: that was. So I'm just like, what, why why was
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  Speaker 2: he running this mission? He knew nothing about.
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  Speaker 1: It, being weird tied into it and like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: interesting enough that they've you know, like because I'm watching
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  Speaker 1: the previously on, I'm like, why are we going back
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  Speaker 1: to this? Where's the follow up to this? And then
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  Speaker 1: when it opens up and says, hey, your dad's had
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: a heart attack and he's died. It'd be different if
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: he just had a heart attack, And then I'm oh,
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: so they're going to go back and are they going
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  Speaker 1: to be able to use the NATS to try and
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  Speaker 1: save his day? Because that why that was in the
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  Speaker 1: previously on. It's like no, no, no, we're just going
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  Speaker 1: to reference that this chick like used to work for
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: this guy that was in the previously on, Like we
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: almost didn't even need that we could have just mentioned
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  Speaker 1: his name and if he got it, you got it.
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: If you didn't, you didn't anything.
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  Speaker 2: After doing after doing two Genie episodes over the last
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  Speaker 2: two years, it's like we know a lot about Rodney's
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  Speaker 2: family now and Genie and it's not even after the
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: first McKay Missus Miller episode. We knew so much about
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  Speaker 2: Rodney and Genie and all that kind of stuff, and
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  Speaker 2: it's like, well, after this, well, his dad's dead, so
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  Speaker 2: we don't really know much about that. We don't even
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  Speaker 2: know whether it was it was the reason that he
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: joined the militaries because he didn't want to get on
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  Speaker 2: the conveyor but with the family business, and that was
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  Speaker 2: his way of rebelling, and we don't really know any
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: of that. We don't you know, we don't get to
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: see any reconciliation, Like, well we see that at the end,
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: but we don't know how that conversation goes. Just because
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: he walked in doesn't mean it ended.
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I hate when they do that. It's just
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: you know, like there's an awkward there's a secret someone's
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: been keeping from another character. For the entirety of a
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: movie or eight episodes of a TV show and then
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: when they finally like have the guts to go and
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: tell the person they've been keeping it from, it just
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: zooms out. Music comes up and you see them talking
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, no, no, don't puss out, like show
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: me that.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: Rite that yeah, like me. It might have been a
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: little bit of a cliche, but it might have even
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: been more interesting and added an extra element to it
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: if the fact that Nancy left Joe John for the
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: other brother something like that, you know.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: What I mean, juicy, or she left him John's been
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: off world for a couple of years. Yeah, comes back
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: for the funeral, goes, oh why are you here?
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, well, of Nancy's consoling the brother of the death
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: of their father and ends.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: Up soling his bloody brains. Absolutely, that would have been
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: because again like she pops in, it's like, oh, I
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: told you I had I was married before to RONI yeah,
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, I think I forget that, Like, is
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: that something we've talked about much before? Because I forgot
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: that all about Shepherd, that he that he'd previously been married.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: He mentioned it. I can't remember he either mentioned it
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: in Sunday or it was in Sunday and I got
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: cut out. I can't remember the actual way that worked,
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: but it has been a brief, brief reference to it.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so like for her to like to be
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: the again interesting family thing to bring into it. That
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: could have just been somebody else that worked them, Like,
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: we didn't need that, We didn't need that connection of
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: him personally to be what gave him the assist in
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: the other side of the episode's story. That could have
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: just been someone else at the like the fact that
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: meant some bloke, Oh, I used to work at Atlantis. Great,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: he could have known someone that could have given the
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: information that Nancy did. It would have made no difference
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: to the story because there was nothing else interesting about
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: the wife. Oh, she's been remarried. Well, she was remarried.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: In the first scene he refers to Greg, oh, Grant, okay,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: good whatever, Like it's not like she had to reveal
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: to him she was married. He already knew that there
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: was nothing particularly interesting about that character being a previous
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: a former wife of Shepherd, Like, it could have been anybody.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like and they brought back Banks for this
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: episode as the an ide operatic Hi Away operative and
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: stuff like that, and it's like, well, that could have
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: been Nancy, or you know, you could have got rid
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: of Nancy and Banks could have been the one that
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: got the information that we needed, or you know, you
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: could have amalgamated those characters. It just and like the
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: the fact that Rodney like copped out and said he
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: couldn't come back, like and that was their way of
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: writing Rodney out of the episode. But it's like he's
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: the head of his own department. All. He basically says
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: he had to go and check on that planet from
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: season one, the Kid episode. It's like, well, the last
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: time we saw that planet, the check guy what's his name, Zelenka,
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: he went there, you know. So it's like Rodney didn't
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: have to be the one he could have He could
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: have authorized an entire team to go and do that.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: So it's like I would have preferred if they kind
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: of leant into the fact that maybe there was a
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: scene once Rodney walked away from Shepherd that it was
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: a lie because you know, maybe Rodney doesn't deal well
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: with grief and death and stuff like that, and and
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: it came from a place of love of him caring
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: so much about Shepherd that he knew that he would
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: be awkward and make things bad if he went, so
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: his way of supporting John was to remove himself, or
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: you know something like you just, I just I didn't
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: buy that whole thing, that whole stupid thing.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Of Roady being like, oh sorry, I'd come if I could, I'm.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Not because you could, like you know, Zelenka needs help,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: or Zelenka is on another planet. Maybe there's a network
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: wide thing of these particular devices that he has to
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: go and fix, like you could. If you're going to
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: write it, you could have written anything other than ah,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: I'm just busy though, because of all the reasons that
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: you just said. I don't know if you've got any
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes information on it. But obviously Carter is
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: the one that breaks the news to John. That's their
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: only shot an entire episode. So I mean, depending on
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: how Hard knows to her manager and an agent want
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: to play this, this could have counted as a as
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: an episode or no contract, right, Yeah, I guess because
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: it does appear in here, like they would have to
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: be so careful if you know, like we were talking
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: about with the Christopher Idle title the other week, where
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: you know, they were filming some stuff and it got
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: put into another episode. Now, obviously he's still appeed in
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: that episode. But when they do film stuff and it's
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: not working, let's save it, and they put it in.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: You'd have to be so careful with contracts because like, yeah,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: you're paying me for that episode. I'm so sorry because
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: it's aired another one as well. So technically I'm in
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: two episodes this season, So I'd like to say that,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: like this was literally one shot of two hours that week, yeah,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: or just you know, hey, can.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: You just stay back for a quick five after.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: She's filming next week's episode?
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Well, spoiler alert, next week is a very Carter heavy episode.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Right, so she that might have been what they did.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: They just they quickly use her for an extra ten
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: minutes and maybe her being around for so long.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: She's like, Yeah, I actually thinking about it now. I
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: kind of wish next week and this week had been
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Remember back in season eight or seven of SG one,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: whether those two episodes are happened at the same time,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: the one where we meet Varla and Daniel and they're
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: all from the Prometheus, and then the next episode is
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Gemini where it's Karter, Replakata, and Tilk on the Alpha site.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Gamma site whatever, and those technically happened at the same time.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: I would almost wish that they did that here because
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: next week's episode, as far as I'm aware from what
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: I remember, is predominantly McKay, Carter, and Keller. It's an
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: episode for them because I think at this point Rachel
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: has given birth. I'm not sure. I think I think
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: that's why she's been out of these episodes. I can't
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: confirm that yet.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: I didn't even think about the fact we haven't seen her.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think she might even be on maternity
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: leave or something like that. So yeah, I kind of
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: like the idea that maybe next week's episode Trio and
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: this episode took place at the same time, and that
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: at least has five characters on two different planets at
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: the same time. It mud have been a nice way
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: to tie them in. Spoiler alert, next week has nothing
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: to do with replicators. So, speaking of you mentioned before,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: how you know Spotify will get angry at us if
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: we played the outcast song? Would they get angry as
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: if we played the opening theme song to one of
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: the Power Rangers spin offs.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Let's try with the four and what am I looking for?
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Yellow Ranger?
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: I just saw her Power Rangers raw? Is that what parrangers?
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Parranger, Dino Thunder Avid Dixon was the Yellow Power Ranger.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Oh right right, TV shirts the one where Tommy came back.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: He came back as the Black Power Ranger.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Like what the first time he came back or a lot? Right?
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah he was he was, well, no, he did. He
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: did a whole run. He was the Green Ranger, then
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: he was the White Ranger, then he was the Red
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Turbo Ranger, then he was no, sorry, he was the
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Red Zeo Ranger, and then he was the Red Turbo Range.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Did read zero?
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Was that still like the actual zero run before it
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: went to turbo?
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Yes, because it went from Mighty Morphin into zero into turbo.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where I stopped.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: And then he left turbo because he was the last
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: one because everyone else had gone by there a good call.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: And then this came out and that would have been
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: ninety seven or something like that, and then this came
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: out in like two thousand and one, two thousand and two,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: where he was like the zored on carriage. He was
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: like a grown up and he was an archaeologist and
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: he became the black Brachiosaurus Ranger or something like that.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: To the there was just three power ranges in that one.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: There was the Red, the Yellow, and the Blue and
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: that was it. And Avia Dixon she was the Yellow
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Dino Thunder Ranger. Was she a Kiwi, She's a natural Kiwi.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Her accent was fake.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: She she nailed it. Then, yeah, she did a good job. Yeah, wow, Okay,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: I didn't know he did a zero appearance, so just.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: To say he's the only read Zeo Ranger, so he was.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: I don't remember. I mean, you know, I did did
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Mamighty morphin Zeo. I'm like, this is different.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: But you know, the costumes are not good and it's
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: and then the Zords were weird too. There was like
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: a Sphinx sword or something like that.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: But as soon as they got cars in Turbo, I
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: think I was like, all right, yeah.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: The other Rangers. So Kimberly left before Zeo. She she
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: chapped out in Ninja because that's when we got Cat
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: and she was the pink Ninja Ranger.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: And then Billy like there was something between Marty Morphon
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: and Zeo. Oh no.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Season three of Mighty Morphine is technically where they had
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: the Ninja pause. The Shogun Megazord and then remember they
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: got turned into kids, and then there was the Aquatar
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Alien Rangers.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Right this thirty years ago. I wish that I did
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: because I'm like, well, in my head, I'm like, it
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: goes from Marty Morphin, You've got the movie in there
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: and then you've got zero.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Well, the movie is a different universe.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: So you said to me the other week, that blows
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: my mind.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's a different connunity. Because at the beginning
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: of season three of Power Range of the TV show,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: they lose the thunderswords and then go and meet Ninjaw
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: and that's how they get the ninjaswords, which is a
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: different continuity to the movie where they go and see
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Dulcia on the planet Fados.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: So similar story.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Similar story arc where they lose their powers have to
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: go and get the ninjaswords like the frog and the
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: falcon and the wolf and the ape and all that
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: kind of stuff. But in the TV show they introduced
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Rita Ropulso, who's Reader Repulse's brother, who's the Skeleton Guy,
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Camo colored Skeleton Guy, and then they meet Ninjaw, who
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: is this blue robot guy who created the power coins.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Originally dogs like this and that's how they get the
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Ninja powers. And then once they get those, they have
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: those same outfits that they had from the movie where
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: they're like the pink and the gold and the red
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: and the gold and the blue. And then that's when
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Kimberly left and we got cat instead.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: And I have zero memory, and.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: They and then they will get turned to kids, and
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: then Ayisha never comes back and she gets replaced by
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: a different girl from the past in Africa who then
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: becomes old, and then they all become the Zeo Rangers
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: and they all go through that. Billy Billy has to
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: leave at some point because he's growing old or something
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: he gets he gets, yeah, he had to. He went
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: to like the Aquatar planet with the ladies or whatever,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: and then there was zero and then in Turbo there
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: was no Black Ranger, so Adam my favorite, had to
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: become the Green Ranger. And then Tommy left and then
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: that's when they brought in the other guy who became
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: like the new Turbo Rangers, and then the Turbo Rangers
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: became the Space Rangers where they did Power Rangers in space.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: And that's only the first five seasons of thirty and
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: it's all there's all continuity. It all goes from one
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: to the other, to the other, to the other to
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: the other.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: So they were all on the same like Earth essentially.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: No different earths and different timelines. But it's like every
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: season there's a crossover. So like in the in Space episodes,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: all the Turbo Rangers come back and then in then
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: one after that the in Space, So the previous ranges
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: from the previous year always go and do a little
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: team up episode in the in the following but.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Go into a different dimension or.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: No, sometimes it's in the same I'd say probably twenty
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: out of the thirty Power Ranges all take place on Earth.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: That some take place at different times. Like there was
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: the Time Force Rangers who were from the future, right,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: and then there was more recently there was a diner
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Charge range.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: The show is set in the future, yes, right, they were.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: There were Time Force Power Ranger and they could travel
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: through time. They were kind of like what we talked
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: about the other week that Minority Reporter. It's kind of
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: like that where they go back back and forward in
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: time stopping things. And then there was like Dino Charge
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: where they live in a universe where at the end
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: of it, all the dinosaurs come back to life, and
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: it's like directing park you can you can go and
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: see their dinosaurs, so that takes place in a different
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: timeline universe to this side.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Well done. Oh my god, nerd, that's like that is
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: some high grade nerd shit, right, love there, and I
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: hope you, I hope you take that with the utmost respects, absolutely,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: because the way you rattle that off was like you
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: watched it all last week?
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Do you watch the Power Rangers movie over the weekend?
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Did you? God? I love that thirtieth anniversary.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: That's how I pulled that fatos out of the back
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: of my ass.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gotta I'm gotta get there with my kids
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: where we're nearing. We're nearing that sort of stage of
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: the show.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: It's a perfect movie except for the CGI at the end.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: But that's okay.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: It's a little too deep, but it's fine. It's like
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: they took the TV budget and go, well, how it
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: we give you like five episodes worth to make a movie. Okay, fine,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: let's do it. It's all of the budget. It's fine.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Your kids are going to feel some things when they
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: meet Dulcia.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: I hope, yeah, yeah, probably, I mean Lincoln and I
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: sure did. Oh yeah, that.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Was a moment.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Still, remember where I was Karendale Cinemas. I remember having
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: to go to the bathroom when they were on that planet.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: I'm like, just get back, hurry up. I don't think
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: I've ever gone to the toilet during a minual.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Here's I think we've spoken about this trivia before, but
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: the original Dulcia was your mate from the one you
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: love from Laura Order whatever it is, what's her name?
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: She was originally cast as Dulcia. Oh and she had
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: to pull out for some other reason or another. You
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have pulled out.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: But oh, absolutely, mate, no, thank you.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: I think, of course you do.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: This.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: This is the music Mitchell listens. If this, if this
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: is playing in the background of pawn Mitchell is.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Just imagine b having an argument with my kids and like,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: tell us what happened?
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, no, I do believe there are some images
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: somewhere of in there out. Okay, so you might gives
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: them googling.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Fuck you think you're googling. Next time you're on your phone,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: that's what you're finding. See. I say that I'm not
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: a pig. I say that I'm not a pig when
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: you get Laren and then you bring up beautiful Mushka Hue.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: I mean talk about thirty seasons of power ranges. There
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: hearing thirty seasons of Stargate s for you.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: There's the reboot, there's the reb.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Special Victims unit in Space Ship. We'll start with emancipation,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: there's sexism crimes.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Say we will start with the last week's episode harmony. Well, yeah,
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: because we hang on with the victims because we had
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: to watch it.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: We've got two grown men wandering the woods with the
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: young girl.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Interesting, yeah, yeah, yep.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: So okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, It'll be
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: worth it. It'll be worth it. I'd love to get
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: some higher res for you. But holy I'm googling. There's
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Mariska Marushka Hargatea dressed as Dulcia circa nineteen ninety five. Yeah,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: we worked.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Still might what good?
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: What how jealousy? You're rocky right now?
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Earlier that one. Just stop touching him now we interviewed him, right, Yes,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: it's soup and over. Imagine if I were to know that,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: I just like fully like just treat him with such
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: little district Can.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: I touch you where Mariska touched.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: You can I just speak to you about Musha target
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: it's do she she like filmed for one day and
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: then she left. No, no, no, no, let's just really break
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: it down. I got a little real less for you
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: thing going on. Yeah, and like, okay, so you know,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: back to the back to the old the old Airpet's like, cool,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: we're making a replicator. Okay, great. I'm like, and I
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: thought they were all gone, okay, well now we're making
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: a different replicator again. Okay, sweet.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: I didn't understand, like, because obviously the big twist at
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: the end is that Ava is also a replicator. So
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: if she's a replicator and she knew that her and
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: doctor wats his face had created this other replicator who
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: went rogue, she was upset about Professor Guy because it
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: was he was like her father or something like that.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: But then why wouldn't she have thought the other replicator
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: was like her brother or son or something like that.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: And why would she get the SGC involved to track
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: down this other replicator knowing that there was a risk
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: that then she would be discovered as a replicator.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Well yeah, that's when when they first discovered it. I
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: just assumed I'm like, oh shit, she doesn't know, Like
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: would make sense because he was very like a blank slate.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: I think it would have made more senses. She didn't
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: know she was replicated.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: But then, of course, because.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Then there was the weird reveal at the end where
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: they said, oh, Avid Dixon died nine years ago or
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: whatever it was, and I was like, okay, so is
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: that like a situation from McCay missus Miller where they
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: brought that person back to life, like the professor guy
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: brought her back to life and she was the reanimated
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: body of yeah, or was she fully synthetic?
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: I don't care. She just don't care.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: I assumed it was it was full synthetic, and only
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: because again I was getting a bit like again before
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: they revealed, and again it was so many things happening, right,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: so it's like, Oh, she's out in the real world,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, this is gonna get complicated. And then
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: where Shepherd just seemed like phase out of the park
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, there are people around me, and then
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: he pops out and I'm like, is that the machine
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: that he makes him phase travel like beam traveler?
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Oh shit, I believe those are the pods from.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: She's in the matrix? Yeah, and she doesn't know. Is
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: that a good idea to piss off some AI?
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Are we gonna you know well Mitchell? Oh no, Might
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: I interest you?
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: In an episode of a great well and okay sci
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: fi show from the eighties, this trivia I bring to
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: you from the Stargate Stargated lenis Outcast IMDb. The ending
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: is very similar to The Star Trek Next Generation Season
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: six's Ship in a Bottle from nineteen ninety three, both
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: and in an artificial intelligence believing it is free, but
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: in fact exists in a computer situation played by Niles
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: from The Nanny Oh playing Professor Moriarty, who is oh yeah,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: little evil Moriarty stuck in a little yeah what that's okay,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: I'll take it.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: I know. And you know, by this stage last week
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: you'd had you'd had two of them, and you're really
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: trying hard to get a third that I know you
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: could if I know, you are a very nice thing,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: You're very generous. But I was I assume again at
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: that point doesn't really matter because she is in the computer,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: but you know, she's walking around like beautiful actress, beautiful woman,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: and she's getting around and you know, he's like, what
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: are you going to do? Well, as long as I
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: don't go and work in any science field, they said,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: you know whatever. And part of me was going to
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: be like I thought she was. I don't know why
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: I thought she was. Maybe because she looked like she
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: looked like a teacher in what she was wearing. I thought,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: is she going to say maybe she got into teaching,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: like rather than do what she was doing, and and
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: and to go away from the fears about what they
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: might have she could do if she had the opportunity,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: She's going to go and try and help humans and
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: teach humans and look after young humans. And I'm like
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: she would be in that moment, I'm like, she would
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: make a great educator because she probably doesn't forget anything,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: you know, and she would find the best way to
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: be able to teach and to be able to carry
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff on and and and you know,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: put it into I don't know it's in effect, but then.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Every year the computer program has got to create another
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: thirty kids for her to teach, you know what I mean?
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I wanted to find out it doesn't really Yeah.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought the more clever way it was because
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: was it doctor Lee or maybe McKay said no, I
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: could have been mackay because he was so Doctor Lee
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: said she would be really useful at the SGC, like
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: she would. Oh, so I think what would have been
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: a better cover story is to have her quote unquote
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: working at the SGC inside this artificial you know, landscape,
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: so that, yeah, we can use her powerful brain computing
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: power to when the SGC needs problem solved, they can they.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Can send doctor Lee in. Yeah, yep. He was the
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: one that sort of stood up for it. Go give
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: her a problem, give it that real life coding and stuff,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: and hey, when you just sort out this, she gives
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: it to me. Is like, I'll take this away because
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: either way I going. We can't we can't just switch
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: her off. We can't kill her. We don't want to
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: do that. We can't let her out in the real world.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: And and you can't send her off off world either.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: No one's in for that. Well what else do we do?
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, now, isn't arguably isn't it like
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: for her? If you're worried about it on a moral standpoint,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: aren't you more worried now about the idea, Well, they
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: don't have to be worried, they never have to think
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: about her again. But morally that she will realize what's
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: going on and she would just be aware that she
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: is stuck in an artificial world and she like.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Fifth scenario, remember fifth, when you got you know, and
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: then suddenly we've got another enemy we've got to worry about.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Whereas Yeah, and it's and it's like if that unit
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: ever loses power, which you know with the SGC happens,
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: you know, then she she no longer exists because it's
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: like they did obliterate her body. So it's a weird. Essentially,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: she's been sentenced to life in prison, but at one
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: of the like cushy you know, white collar prisons, you know,
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: with like badminton and swimming.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's probably a really good maybe there has been
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: because I haven't seen the last couple of seasons, but
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: it's like a really good, you know, black mirror style
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: episode to this where you know, it's like, well, we're
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: just going to transfer your consciousness into this thing as
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: part of a means of like saving space and you know,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: prisons and whatnot. We're just going to stick you inside
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: a computer. But once you realize that, it's like, oh no,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: you will theoretically be here forever and you just have
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: to get past that. But maybe maybe that's a more
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: comfortable world for her because she is She knew that
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: she was artificial, she knew she was part of a program,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: so integrating her into that program, you know, because again
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: when you said is she real or is she you know,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: is she made of nanits and whatnot? And which you know,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: the other bloke was getting in a shot and in
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: a very TV budget, you know, T one thousands, you know,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: like sparks flying off him in little pieces of metal
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: and stuff, and he never probably recovered that you would
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: get the idea that she is made of you know, time,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: little shards and stuff. But had she have been real?
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: And they're thinking, well, either way, I'm like, what does
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: this mean? Like if you go off and live in
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: this real world before I knew that it wasn't the
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: real world. You're a beautiful woman. At some stage a
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: man or another woman is going to come up and
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: try to hit on you and you're either going to
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: have to turn people down for the rest of your
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: life or you know, you are possibly made with the memories,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: or you have been at least you've adapted to memories.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: You've created your own memories. You have lived as a
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: human for ae. You've got a personality. The other bloke didn't.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: But you've got a personality. At what point do you think, well,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: I want to explore human emotion. I want to explore connection.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: I want to explore love and what is that? What
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: is that like? Then when some shacks up with you,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: you know, get a little intimate and he's all of
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: a sudden having sex with a robot and he's not
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: aware or you know, or.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: What if what if the program think of it like
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: a like a free roaming computer game? What if what
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: if the programmers of that didn't right junk for all
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: the other people? And she she does getting naked with
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: someone and then takes their clothes off, and they're just
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: you know, eight bit characters under there because you know,
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: did some of the SGC really go well, this guy
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: is gonna be cut, This guy's gonna be uncut, This
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: guy is gonna be hung like a mofa you know
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: what I mean. This chick's gonna have a cups, this
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: chick's gonna have d cups like this chick's gonna have
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Anzac nipples, This chick's gonna have little tiny pointy one.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Now, this one's gonna be on the crazy hot matrix
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: here here, and these guys are got like, you're right?
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Or is there a part of Avera's brain that is
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: generating all that herself and she doesn't realize which point
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: it seems a little bit morally ambiguous.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure there's at least four episodes of Starget
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: SG one where they have been part of a simulation
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: that was infinite in its like capacity to create. So
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: it could if she does exist on a computer within
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: the SGC that as Shepherd pops out, it could have
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: just been a line from Doctor Lee saying, well, yeah,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: she's now exist blah blah blah because of that planet
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: that it like they could have mine had a reference
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: to season three, and then us like uber nerds that
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: remember all this sort of shit gamekeeper or that makes sense,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: yeah exactly, so rather than us had these questions going,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: does she leave the park or is the park like
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: you know a bit of free Guy bit of Truman
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Show where she gets to the edge and it's just
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: like you know, end of simulation and she realizes.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: That does she forget and she's just spending the rest
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: of her life walking laps in that park.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, feeding the same ducks. You know.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, I could spend the rest of my life
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: feeding ducks. That'd be all right, that'd be fun.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I going in this episode. I remember the funeral,
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: but I remember it happening next season, I do not
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: it happening now. There's I remember an Earth based episode
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: with with with Ronan and she spoiler alert, and I
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: thought it was that episode and it turned out to
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: be this episode. But that's that's all I remember.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I just feel like I kind of like
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: it's almost like they had their shot. I wish they
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: had it and they'd taken it, but they didn't. Some
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: torn between whether I want to see a follow up
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: story episode about Shepherd and his family.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Because Nancy basically said, see your buddy, like you burnt
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: this bridge by doing this thing.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: But the actress they brought in, I'm like, you're one
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: of those actresses that doesn't just come in and play
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: like a nothing role. Once you know you're someone that
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: you is, like the wife of the main character, or
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: is one of the you know, a desperate housewife type thing,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: like you wanted a Core five, you know, ensemble sort
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: of cast. You know, she would be someone that would
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: come back and again, another beautiful actress come in, maybe
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: rekindle something with Shepherd. It's complicated. I've got to go
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: over to North Korea or China or wherever. All the
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: other bullshit that he kept telling it, I just yeah,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: there's things that were there that were just to be there.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: And then now that I'm thinking about the fact of
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: how long the previously on was, yeah, and all the
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: elements rather than just like, Hi, I'm millionaire, blah blah blah,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: my daughter is dying. The nad Night's fixed her. Now
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: they're not. And it had to show oh, no, these
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: are my mercenaries going into kidnap you. Hey, here's your sister.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: I'm going to kill your sister. This is my daughter.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: It's like they show too much of that story that
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: was not relevant to this episode. All we needed was
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: the name and we didn't even need to see him.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: But it's like they got to the end of this
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: episode they already threw everything at it went We're coming
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: in like seventy seconds short though, we're just going to
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: need a really long previously on just a really most numbers.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I mean's a better episode than last week,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: more enjoyable on different fronts than last week. It's just
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: more frustrating and well like last week was like, this
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: is what we're doing. It's not going to be great,
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: but this is what they're doing, and it's what they did.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: This episode was like, this is where we're going. Hey,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: look a poppy and just like walks over shiny robot
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: T one thousand on TV and then what are we
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: doing something quick? Look at the brother that's right? Yeah, yeah,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: done so strange but anyway.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is why season four is. It's not my
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: fat it However, however, next week, I think you will
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: be in for a pleasant.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Well, the fact that you said it is, I mean,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: I'll take Rodney, I'll take a thorn between two roses,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Carter and Keller. Rodney, you talk about me being jealous
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: of Rocky from the from the Power Rangers hanging out
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: with Mushka Huga take, I mean just McKay hanging out
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: with Samantha Carter and doctor Keller. I mean, that's that's
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: a pleasant afternoon.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: What you know what the next two week, we've got
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: we've got Trio, and then we've got Midway.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: So, oh, Midway. I've heard you guys to Midway.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: So you know we've got we've got a light. There's
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: a light, so towards the end of the tunnel.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: It's just a small tunnel that we have to squeeze
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: out of.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's what's that stallone movie where they're
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: trapped in the tunnel day Break, Daylight, Daylight. Yeah, it's
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: like that. Okay, you know there is light at the
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: end of the tunnel. But we've got to we've got
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: to work together.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: If I watch Daylight between now and then, we'll help
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: me watch that.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: It's just for the metaphor probably not. Okay, no, you might,
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: you might prefer it over the season finale, but that's
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: just me.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Ride a season for It's one thing for you to
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: go harm and he's a piece of shit. They're right
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: off the season finale.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm just saying, we got, we got, We're almost done, mate.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: We've got Trio, we've got Midway, we've got The Kindred
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Part one and two and The Last Man. That's it. Wow,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: season done.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, just fact at the top, we're I'm like, oh,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: episode fifteen, I'm like, wait what, We're just really getting
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: through this, yep, and we've got a two PARTA.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: It's weird. It's we've got two episodes, then we've got
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: a two PARTA, but then the season finale is a
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: single episode that's not part of.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: The two part Ah.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, it's an interesting one.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Well, we'll be back next week. Trio, Get into Geek,
• 44:34
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• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Get into it now before it's too late.