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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 2-26-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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Speaker 2: Happy Bursday, everybody, Welcome to The Sean O'Connell Show ESPN
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Speaker 3: Big Show. Gordy Chase is going to be in studio
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Speaker 3: with us for an hour. Tom Callahan's going to join
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Speaker 3: us in the one o'clock hour reacting to the Utah
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Speaker 3: Mammoth back in action. Unfortunately, it was a loss to
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Speaker 3: the Colorado Avalanche last night at the Delta Center. I
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Speaker 3: went down there, put the kids to bed, caught the
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Speaker 3: second half of the game in person, and it's always
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Speaker 3: great to see a packed Delta Center. Don't love that
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Speaker 3: we got so many Colorado Avalanche fans in the state
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Speaker 3: of Utah. I get it. I get it. Those of
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Speaker 3: you who are big time NHL fans. Before we had
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Speaker 3: our own team, you had to put your allegiances somewhere.
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Speaker 3: You probably had to attach it to the Colorado Avalanche,
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Speaker 3: being the closest regional partner. Maybe you jumped on board
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Speaker 3: with the Vegas Knights, although I don't think there was
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Speaker 3: a lot of that going on. And then, of course
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Speaker 3: there's always the La Kings because of the Trevor Lewis
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Speaker 3: thing and the fact that you actually had a Utah
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Speaker 3: on that roster. But still we got our own team. Now,
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Speaker 3: let's elbow and box out these Colorado Avalanche fans so
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Speaker 3: we get more Mammoth gear in there when the best
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Speaker 3: team in the NHL is on ours. Didn't love it
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Speaker 3: from that standpoint. Otherwise, great game, fun to watch, and
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Speaker 3: we'll see how this new stretch of hockey for the
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Speaker 3: Utah Mammoth continues. We talked about it with Adrian Dinny yesterday.
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Speaker 3: We'll talk about it more with Tom Callahan today. The uh,
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Speaker 3: the schedule is not real easy. In the immediate short term.
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Speaker 3: You have the aforementioned Avalanche last night, and then you
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Speaker 3: have the Wild who are very very good. We're an
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Speaker 3: hour away from players actually starting their testing at the
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Speaker 3: NFL Scouting Combine. Sorry, two hours away. It's three Eastern
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Speaker 3: that the official testing begins, so d line linebackers will
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Speaker 3: be the first up. Obviously, Logan Fana will be participating
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Speaker 3: in those drills from a Utah and Lander Barton saw
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Speaker 3: some of the interviews with Lander Barton yesterday, and Lander
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Speaker 3: is such a it's so interesting. He's a guy who
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Speaker 3: he loves the physicality of football, he loves testing himself.
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Speaker 3: He is very much and I don't mean this in
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Speaker 3: an insulting way at all. Anyone who's from a large family,
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Speaker 3: I think you probably have some of this dynamic. He
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Speaker 3: is very much the youngest child in the family where
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Speaker 3: it's just like, yeah, I mean a lot of this
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Speaker 3: was kind of decided for me. And again, I don't
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Speaker 3: think that's necessarily bad or not automatically bad. But when
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Speaker 3: you're the oldest child, you, along with your parents, your
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Speaker 3: own tastes start to kind of like forge the the
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Speaker 3: path of the family. Right, You're the little offshoot stream
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Speaker 3: that starts the erosion that if then another sibling follows, okay,
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Speaker 3: that stream is gonna widen a little bit. And then
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Speaker 3: if another sibling follows, now you've got a nice little
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Speaker 3: creek running. And then by the time you get to
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Speaker 3: the fourth, fifth, sixth kid, whatever, it's like they're just
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Speaker 3: jumping into the current. All right. That's very much what
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Speaker 3: I the vibe I get from Lander Barton not saying
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Speaker 3: that he has the same personality as his older brothers
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Speaker 3: or his older sister, But even in an NFL job
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Speaker 3: interview scenario and they're talking to him about how much
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Speaker 3: he loves football, he's just like, I kind of knew
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Speaker 3: i'd go to the NFL because of my brothers. It's
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Speaker 3: like he's just along for the ride, man, And what
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Speaker 3: a wonderful ride, What a fun thing it is to
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Speaker 3: be an elite athlete. Barton, He careful what you say
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Speaker 3: about babies of the family. Okay, are you the sad
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Speaker 3: of family? Okay, I'm not from a big family though,
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Speaker 3: but yes, I'm the youngest of three. Okay, so like
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Speaker 3: that's at least a medium family and we're sensitive, as
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Speaker 3: you know, so just be careful. Yes, but the look
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Speaker 3: the baby of the family, the youngest kids in the family,
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Speaker 3: like you have less autonomy when it comes to deciding
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Speaker 3: what the hobbies and the interest because you're already indoctrinated, accidentally, purposefully, whatever,
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Speaker 3: from the very very beginning. That's just a vibe you
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Speaker 3: get from Lander. And again, I don't think it's a
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Speaker 3: bad thing yet, right, and I'm totally joking, like it
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Speaker 3: is what you're saying is not all it's not all
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Speaker 3: that inaccurate from my experience though, even from coming from
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Speaker 3: a much smaller family my middle brother, So I were
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Speaker 3: three boys, so that makes me more wanting to naturally
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Speaker 3: wanting to be like my brothers because sure we're all boys, right.
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Speaker 3: My middle brother is the one I took after More
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Speaker 3: were we both love sports. My oldest brother wasn't into sports,
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Speaker 3: so I for me, it was like, I'll just do
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Speaker 3: what he does. Yeah, So it's certainly there certainly was
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Speaker 3: a lot of that. Like it was like, I, oh,
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Speaker 3: we both love basketball. He's he was a much better
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Speaker 3: basketball player than me. Made the school team pretty early.
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Speaker 3: I'm like, well so I will. That didn't work out
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Speaker 3: as well for me. But and again, like I'm not
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Speaker 3: saying that you don't make your own decisions, but it's
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Speaker 3: just there's a lot there's a lot more leading of
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Speaker 3: the witness and when you're in an elite athlete family
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Speaker 3: like the Bartons, when it's just like yep, you're this
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Speaker 3: is what we do. You know what I mean? We
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Speaker 3: are football people and we just happen to be athletic
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Speaker 3: enough because mom and dad are great athletes. That being
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Speaker 3: football people means we're NFL football people. Yeah, and sister
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Speaker 3: is a professional athlete as well. Although taking some time away.
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Speaker 3: I think we've talked about this on the air, taking
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Speaker 3: some time away because she announced that she's pregnant with
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Speaker 3: their first child. Congratulations, congrats to Danny. I actually was
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Speaker 3: lucky enough. I took my girls to the Utah women's
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Speaker 3: basketball game this past weekend and just happened to be
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Speaker 3: sitting near Mama bart Mickey Barton. So who was there?
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Speaker 3: A wasn't there a recent record of hers that just
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Speaker 3: got broken or or it's been approached anyway? I didn't really,
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Speaker 3: I can't. I should look it up so that we
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Speaker 3: can actually talk accurately here, But I didn't. I knew
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Speaker 3: that she played both sports at Utah, did not know
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Speaker 3: she was like record holder women's basketball player too conference
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Speaker 3: in two sports. I will say this. I got a
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Speaker 3: chance to speak with her very briefly. But that's someone
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Speaker 3: who that mama knows ball. She was just watching. She
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Speaker 3: was not there with anyone. It was not a social
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Speaker 3: event for her. She was solo watching the Utah women's
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Speaker 3: basketball game because she just wants to take in some ball.
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Speaker 3: Love that that's awesome. Love that. Are you kidding me?
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Speaker 3: That was really cool? Dad. Her husband was there, is
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Speaker 3: just just her. She was literally there by herself. And
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Speaker 3: actually when we got there, because you're always late to
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Speaker 3: things when you have three kids, right when we got there,
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Speaker 3: she was on the phone. And then she got off
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Speaker 3: the phone, and then Rojo came over and said hi
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Speaker 3: to me and said hi to her, and then I
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Speaker 3: was like, oh, yeah, mo, hello, how are you? And
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Speaker 3: she was like, oh, I was just talking to Lander
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Speaker 3: on the phone. So she's sitting there watching basketball, talking
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Speaker 3: to her baby, who's at that point on his way
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Speaker 3: to Indianapolis. This exact thing gave you a little scouting info.
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Speaker 3: I was. I was trying a little inside info, James.
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Speaker 3: I tried to get some I was just like, so,
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Speaker 3: what are they saying about Lander? Are they gonna first
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Speaker 3: round pick? Are they are they gonna have him do
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Speaker 3: any tight indrols out there? And she was just like,
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Speaker 3: he doesn't tell us anything, all right, which is either
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Speaker 3: true or just an incredible answer by her in the
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Speaker 3: It's a very believable and easy way to just be like,
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Speaker 3: get out of my face, dude, anyway, not talking to
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Speaker 3: the media types. I don't trust you so Logan Fano
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Speaker 3: and land Or Barton, you talk about family affair in
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Speaker 3: both of those instances will be doing their drills today.
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Speaker 3: No word on if they're going to abdicate on any
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Speaker 3: of the particular drills. I know that there was some
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Speaker 3: thought in conversation about whether or not they would run
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Speaker 3: forties at the combine, because you can do the same
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Speaker 3: thing at your pro day. If you're not going to
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Speaker 3: be a standout in the forty at the combine, probably
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Speaker 3: okay to just have a no result there and then
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Speaker 3: when your school hosts a pro day, you get an
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Speaker 3: opportunity to be a little bit more featured. I did
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Speaker 3: put up a poll question for all you folks out there,
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Speaker 3: who do you think is going to perform slash measure
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Speaker 3: better at the NFL Combine, Logan Fano or Lander Barton,
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Speaker 3: because this is for both of them, a mass important
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Speaker 3: weekend in Indianapolis. It's huge for both. Questions different questions
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Speaker 3: about each of them, but questions certainly Lander he's there
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Speaker 3: because he stayed for the maximum eligibility. Logan, I think
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Speaker 3: left prematurely and if he doesn't perform well at this combine,
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Speaker 3: that's going to be borderline disastrous for someone who had
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Speaker 3: another year of eligibility to come back and do it
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Speaker 3: all over again. It makes sense he wants to go
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Speaker 3: do the thing that his brother is doing. They're attached
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Speaker 3: at to hip like it's fine but big big day.
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Speaker 3: So eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred
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Speaker 3: rat Rio c Sports. Tell me who you think of
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Speaker 3: the two youths performing in the drills today, who do
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Speaker 3: you think is going to perform better? Elevate his stock
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Speaker 3: more with just the pure athletic performances in Indianapolis, A
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Speaker 3: much more I think nationally relevant story, interesting story right
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Speaker 3: now that involves our local market. And you saw a
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Speaker 3: lot of this on social media, and you're seeing it
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Speaker 3: on basically every website in sports. The Utah Jazz are
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Speaker 3: having Lowry Markenen evaluated for a hit problem, a foot problem,
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Speaker 3: an ankle problem, a sinus problem, athletes, foot planters, warts, whatever. Right,
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Speaker 3: So we get the news that this is scheduled, and
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Speaker 3: then Tony Jones, and after Tony Jones, many dozens of
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Speaker 3: athletes and websites and all the aggregating true Twitter accounts
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Speaker 3: you've ever heard of, Legion Hoops, NBA Central, all those
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Speaker 3: that like to aggregate stuff. Pick this up, Yeah, everybody,
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Speaker 3: he gets picked up all over the place, right, and
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Speaker 3: after being picked up, the story gets bigger, And of
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Speaker 3: course there's evaluation on what this actually means. But the story,
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Speaker 3: according to Tony Jones is that the NBA is going
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Speaker 3: to send doctors to verify or to offer their own
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Speaker 3: independent opinion on whatever the results are of Lowry Marketing's mlright.
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Speaker 3: Of course, the implication for that being the NBA is
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Speaker 3: checking up on the Utah Jazz's practices to make sure
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Speaker 3: they're not faking anything in order to shut down lowry
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Speaker 3: Marketing and allow for the Gentleman's tank to become wholly
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Speaker 3: ungentlemanly and they can just stink out loud for the
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Speaker 3: rest of the season in order to keep the draft
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Speaker 3: pick and maximize their draft lottery position. That original tweet
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Speaker 3: by Tony Jones has since been deleted. Now sources hashtag
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Speaker 3: sources have confirmed that he stands by the report of
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Speaker 3: the NBA verifying or evaluating the MRI. Uh. The initial
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Speaker 3: language of the tweet since deleted, So I'm not one
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Speaker 3: hundred percent sure. I believe said that the NBA is
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Speaker 3: sending someone and that that's what that's what everyone ran
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Speaker 3: with anyway, and that's what it sounded like. And again
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Speaker 3: it's been deleted. People have not been If you have
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Speaker 3: screenshots of it, you can send it to us. But
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Speaker 3: it it felt like, oh, they're sending people, They're sending
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Speaker 3: doctors in person to oversee this along with Utah's with
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Speaker 3: Utah's team doctors. But maybe since since what we got
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Speaker 3: is the accurate verbiage is they're evaluating the MRI, maybe
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Speaker 3: we talked about off air, maybe that just means they're
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Speaker 3: not sending anyone in person. Maybe that just means they're
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Speaker 3: gonna they're asking them. You has to send them the link,
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Speaker 3: the file links so that they can see the MRIs.
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Speaker 3: Anyone who's had an MRI or knows the MRI situation,
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Speaker 3: you don't have to be in the room to know
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Speaker 3: what the results of the MRI are. In fact, very
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Speaker 3: much to the contrary, what usually happens is you go
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Speaker 3: to an imaging center, a medical imaging center, and someone
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Speaker 3: who is like a tech for that machine knows how
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Speaker 3: to do the actual like take the actual picture. We'll
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Speaker 3: walk you through that process, and then they send out
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Speaker 3: those results. They send out the file to your doctor
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Speaker 3: to your orthopedist, to your neurologist, to your whatever, and
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Speaker 3: a doctor looks at the imaging that the machines give you.
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Speaker 3: So you go down. I had to do these, right,
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Speaker 3: You have to do these and to get cleared four fights.
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Speaker 3: Sometimes you reach a certain age or after a previous
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Speaker 3: knockout or something like that, you have to go and
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Speaker 3: you have to get looked at. You have to get
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Speaker 3: the CT scan, you have to get the MRI or whatever.
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Speaker 3: There's not a doctor to be found in those buildings.
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Speaker 3: It's it's literally you go to like a strip mall,
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Speaker 3: or you go to a place across the street from
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Speaker 3: a restaurant, and it's nice, it's beautiful, but it's always
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Speaker 3: got some name like so and so Medical Imaging, and
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Speaker 3: they've got X ray machines over here, and they got
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Speaker 3: MRIs in this room, and they've got the CT scan
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Speaker 3: and they've got the ultrasound and that's They are technicians.
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Speaker 3: They are not doctors there. So for the the report
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Speaker 3: to be that the NBA is going to send a
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Speaker 3: doctor to like oversee the MRI, probably not right. And
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Speaker 3: maybe that's why Tony has since deleted it, and maybe
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Speaker 3: that's why actually everyone who aggregated. It has taken it
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Speaker 3: off their front page as well. But the principle is
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Speaker 3: the question is the NBA double checking everything that the
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Speaker 3: Utah Jazz are doing? If the if the NBA, if
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Speaker 3: Adam Silver is just like, oh, Lowry marketing in the news,
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Speaker 3: now he's got a hit problem. I want my doctors
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Speaker 3: to see that MRI because the Jazz team doctor could
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Speaker 3: absolutely just take his pencil and smudge something on the
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Speaker 3: MRI and just be like, oh, Ryan, look at that.
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Speaker 3: We can't let Lowry play Will Hardy. I'm sorry, it
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Speaker 3: looks like a growth to me. That could that looks bad.
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Speaker 3: It's benign, I'm sure, but that looks like are you
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Speaker 3: sure that's Is that just a crumb from your sandwich
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Speaker 3: on that? No, this is a season ender, right, takes
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Speaker 3: a picture of the MRI with the with the donut
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Speaker 3: crumb that fell on it, YMRI inside MRI. You just
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Speaker 3: that would be so great if Jazz team doctors were
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Speaker 3: just like, oh, we have to send this to the
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Speaker 3: league office and they just got their phones out and
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Speaker 3: took a picture of it. Is that on the MRI? No, No,
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Speaker 3: that is a season ending tear. That is inside his hip?
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Speaker 3: That is his hip, that's his hip laborum, and we
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Speaker 3: cannot risk Lowry Marketen's long term health by allowing that
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Speaker 3: to be there. Silver says, My doctor says he's never
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Speaker 3: seen anything like that inside of hip labor Like, yeah,
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Speaker 3: that's what's so concerning about it. Adam, Adam Silver comes
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Speaker 3: back to clarify, I need you to send me a
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Speaker 3: high resolution computer file, not a photo you snapped on
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Speaker 3: your flip phone. Okay, I need you to send me
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Speaker 3: the actual original. I don't know, all right, I don't
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Speaker 3: have the same sources that Tony Jones don't aggregate for
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Speaker 3: the last two minutes of the of what we've just said,
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Speaker 3: put the principle of this, right is something we talked
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Speaker 3: about already, is the NBA using the Utah Jazz as
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Speaker 3: the scapegoat, as the example, as the ultimate like, we're
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Speaker 3: not gonna let you tank. We've decided we're gonna let
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Speaker 3: the people around you tank. We're not gonna let you tank.
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Speaker 3: There's none of this with the Washington Wizards, who, as
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Speaker 3: we've said and as many others have said, since the
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Speaker 3: Jazz has started getting singled out for this tanking, this
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Speaker 3: tank effort, they've had fishier injury injury reports than the
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Speaker 3: Jazz have had las they they're guys. The two guys
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Speaker 3: they traded for who were healthy before the trade, Anthony Davis,
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Speaker 3: less healthy than Tree young but still not out for
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Speaker 3: the season, are basically out for the season since they
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Speaker 3: traded for him. There's no report out there that Adam
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Speaker 3: Silver is just like, I need to see what all
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Speaker 3: of the imaging on Sabonis's injuries. I need to know
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Speaker 3: what the Kings are doing. I need to know lots
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Speaker 3: with the Pacers. I need to know what the Pacers
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Speaker 3: are doing. I need to know what the Grizzlies are doing.
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Speaker 3: I need to know all of it. There's those reports
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Speaker 3: are not out there and asked for Jared Jackson Junior's MRI.
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Speaker 3: By the way, if you are the team or there
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Speaker 3: are many teams that need to be chaperonned while you're
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Speaker 3: evaluating your own players. We are talking about a new
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Speaker 3: era of oversight in the NBA that nobody's had to
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Speaker 3: deal with to this point. Now, for full disclosure, right,
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Speaker 3: I was ready to come here today and just continue
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Speaker 3: my persecuted rant about the Utah Jazz being unfairly made
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Speaker 3: an example of I was ready for that today, and
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Speaker 3: then when we got into studio and some conversations and
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Speaker 3: James hearing things, it's like, okay, there's there's a little
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Speaker 3: bit more nuanced potentially to this. And maybe again, the
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Speaker 3: NBA has talked about instituting some serious measures to avoid tanking,
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Speaker 3: to prevent tanking, and this could be the very early
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Speaker 3: rollout of one of those measures that doesn't require a
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Speaker 3: ton of negotiation with like the collective Bargaining Agreement, that
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Speaker 3: doesn't require the NBA Players Association getting involved. If what
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Speaker 3: the NBA is saying is, hey, I want to see
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Speaker 3: the medical record that you have created here for lowry
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Speaker 3: marketenen February twenty fifth, twenty six, twenty twenty six, whatever,
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Speaker 3: I want to see what that looks like. Maybe this
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Speaker 3: becomes a more standard practice in the NBA, where they
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Speaker 3: have independent evaluators, they have orthopedis, they have doctors look
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Speaker 3: at whatever diagnosis comes through, whatever test results come through
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Speaker 3: from NBA teams, especially those NBA teams who you've already
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Speaker 3: read flags and you've already fined as tanking. And then
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Speaker 3: you say, all right, we're evaluating this and guess what,
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Speaker 3: here comes another find because our doctors don't believe that
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Speaker 3: this is a season ender. Our doctors don't believe that
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Speaker 3: this is severe enough that it should be in the headlines.
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Speaker 3: Our doctors are independent. Analysts have said that you are
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Speaker 3: fakingness thing now. It is an incredibly slippery slope if
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Speaker 3: that's what you decide to do as the NBA, if
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Speaker 3: you decide to develop and establish an atmosphere of non
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Speaker 3: trust with your owners, with your organizations and say, Nope,
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Speaker 3: you guys aren't acting like adults here, so we're going
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Speaker 3: to be big brother and we're going to force you
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Speaker 3: to act like adults. I'll be honest, I would actually
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Speaker 3: hate it and think it was incredibly unfortunate if the
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Speaker 3: Utah Jazz were the first organization that the NBA decided
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Speaker 3: to use this on. But it's far from outside the
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Speaker 3: realm of possibility for me. Whether you're sending doctors out
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Speaker 3: or you're sending medical imaging in the NBA putting its
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Speaker 3: fingerprints on shutdowns, on players having season ending injuries, I
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Speaker 3: don't know if it's been practiced before. We're gonna have
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Speaker 3: Gordy Chase in about five minutes, and Gordy will know
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Speaker 3: a lot more about this than I do, Gordy will
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Speaker 3: know if like, oh, I need to make sure that
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Speaker 3: was a season ending injury for David Robinson. I need
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Speaker 3: to make sure that was a season ending injury for
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Speaker 3: Kobe Bryant. I need to make sure that was a
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Speaker 3: season ender for Rick Smith's or whoever. Right, I don't
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Speaker 3: think I don't remember reading or hearing or knowing any
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Speaker 3: of that from back in the day, doesn't mean it
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Speaker 3: didn't happen. Tanking wasn't as big a part of the conversation.
22:44
Speaker 3: It's obviously a very hot topic now, and more importantly
22:48
Speaker 3: than the tanking being a hot topic, the conversation around
22:52
Speaker 3: what the NBA is going to do around tanking and
22:54
Speaker 3: how to control tanking that now is a major issue
22:57
Speaker 3: for the league office. Their primary concern right now that
23:02
Speaker 3: the All Star Weekend is out of the way, especially
23:04
Speaker 3: because All Star Weekend went swimmingly. Whatever energy efforts, meetings,
23:10
Speaker 3: whatever was happening in the NBA league offices to help
23:14
Speaker 3: them fix their perception problem and their effort problem and
23:18
Speaker 3: their audience and the All Star weekend problem, well check
23:21
Speaker 3: that box off. We got the All Star weekend figured out,
23:24
Speaker 3: or at least we're on the right track there, so
23:26
Speaker 3: we don't need to talk about this for a minute,
23:29
Speaker 3: but we do need to talk about tanking. And unfortunately,
23:35
Speaker 3: the Utah Jazz right now are the kid in the
23:37
Speaker 3: classroom that's already been given ten warnings and the teacher
23:43
Speaker 3: wants to expel you. The teacher wants to send you
23:45
Speaker 3: to the principal's office. You're not sneaking anything anymore. They
23:49
Speaker 3: already caught you passing notes, they already punished you once
23:53
Speaker 3: for it, and they want to make an example of you.
24:00
Speaker 3: So whether or not it's lowry marketing's injury, or it's
24:03
Speaker 3: use of Nurkic's injury, or it's the next one coming
24:06
Speaker 3: down the pipe, absolutely the NBA is going to be
24:10
Speaker 3: looking at it with a very weather eye. You watch
24:13
Speaker 3: curby your enthusiasm. You know that Larry David skeptical thing
24:17
Speaker 3: he would do where they'd play the comical music behind it,
24:21
Speaker 3: and he'd squint his eyes and he'd look at several
24:23
Speaker 3: angles trying to catch and see if you could read
24:26
Speaker 3: if people were lying. That's what they're doing right now.
24:28
Speaker 3: That's what the NBA is doing right now, at least
24:31
Speaker 3: in this story with the Utah Jazz. You're being chaperoned Jazz.
24:40
Speaker 3: It's been decided that you don't have the maturity to
24:44
Speaker 3: handle this on your own, so the NBA wants to
24:47
Speaker 3: double check your work. You're on probation at your corporate job. James.
24:54
Speaker 3: Did you ever have a particularly awkward chaperoning situation, Not
25:01
Speaker 3: that I can think of out the top of my head,
25:03
Speaker 3: like going to a dance or being driven when you
25:07
Speaker 3: were really young, maybe your sophomore year. Not everyone has
25:10
Speaker 3: their driver's license yet and someone's mom or dad has
25:15
Speaker 3: to drive you. It's like, oh man, it was weird. Yeah,
25:19
Speaker 3: nothing nothing crazy? Uh, nothing crazy awkward. I mean had
25:25
Speaker 3: those kind of some of those situations, but nothing like
25:31
Speaker 3: crazy awkward. I guess it was like in those situations,
25:36
Speaker 3: weren't we're like more like friends than like I really
25:39
Speaker 3: like this girl kind of thing, So it wasn't. Maybe
25:41
Speaker 3: that's why I didn't feel as awkward. Yeah, that's fair.
25:44
Speaker 3: I had so my parents had this method. So I
25:47
Speaker 3: have a younger brother. My my younger brother Patrick, coolest
25:51
Speaker 3: guy in the world. He's special needs, special needs kids,
25:53
Speaker 3: special needs adult now, but just easy to be around,
25:58
Speaker 3: fun to be around. Whatever. What I was in high school,
26:01
Speaker 3: if I had like my girlfriend came over, or if
26:06
Speaker 3: anyone that my parents thought I had any level of
26:09
Speaker 3: romantic interest was there, my parents would send my brother
26:13
Speaker 3: into whatever room we were in, like if we went
26:17
Speaker 3: downstairs down to the basement kind of the hangout spot
26:21
Speaker 3: or whatever. Without fail, at the time, seven eight nine
26:27
Speaker 3: year old little brother would be sitting down the stairs
26:31
Speaker 3: to supervise the chaperone and shockingly effective, by the way,
26:39
Speaker 3: because something about his pure and virtuous soul makes it
26:43
Speaker 3: so you have to be on your best behavior around him,
26:45
Speaker 3: even when he was a little kid. So my parents knew, like,
26:49
Speaker 3: I'm not going to do anything that sets a bad
26:51
Speaker 3: example for him. I'm not going to try to like
26:53
Speaker 3: make out with my girlfriend in front of my eight
26:55
Speaker 3: year old little brother. So if they wanted to make
26:58
Speaker 3: sure there was no tomfoolery or Shenanigan's happening, they just
27:01
Speaker 3: sent Patrick into the room. That's what the NBA is
27:05
Speaker 3: doing right now with the Utah Jazz, according to reports,
27:10
Speaker 3: I don't trust you guys. I don't want any weirdness happening. So, uh,
27:17
Speaker 3: there's just going to be an extra pair of eyeballs
27:19
Speaker 3: here to make sure that you guys are not doing
27:23
Speaker 3: something you're not supposed to do. Now, whether those eyeballs
27:26
Speaker 3: are in Salt Lake City or those eyeballs are in
27:29
Speaker 3: New York on a computer screen, evaluating the results of
27:33
Speaker 3: an MRI on Lowry Marketing's hip before we take a break.
27:38
Speaker 3: My question is, what if there's a disagreement between the doctors.
27:46
Speaker 3: What if the Utah Jazz team physicians and orthopedists, knowing
27:51
Speaker 3: full well that the team doesn't need or even necessarily
27:55
Speaker 3: want Lowry Marketing to be all that healthy right now,
27:58
Speaker 3: are just like, yeah, you know what, there's some pretty
28:00
Speaker 3: minor inflammation here, but it's definitely inflamed, or there's a
28:06
Speaker 3: there's a hairline tear, there's a little feathering here that
28:10
Speaker 3: I don't like on this MRI. So from an abundance
28:14
Speaker 3: of caution, I'm going to advise that we sit this
28:18
Speaker 3: young man down, that we send him back to Finland
28:21
Speaker 3: for a week whatever. Of course, the Utah Jazz physicians
28:27
Speaker 3: don't live under a rock, and they are probably going
28:30
Speaker 3: to be coloring their advice with the best interest of
28:33
Speaker 3: the franchise in mind. What if the NBA physician sees
28:37
Speaker 3: the exact same thing and it's just like, oh, there's
28:40
Speaker 3: minor inflammation here, there's that weird little hairline. I don't
28:44
Speaker 3: like that. I wipe the ketchup stain off and it
28:47
Speaker 3: turns out there's nothing behind it. Then what does the
28:52
Speaker 3: NBA do do They try to handle it quietly. They've
28:58
Speaker 3: got to write because there's absolutely no way that The
29:01
Speaker 3: next report coming from Tony Jones is Adam Silver has
29:05
Speaker 3: fined the Utah Jazz again because their independent evaluator doctor
29:11
Speaker 3: says he needs to play through an injury that the
29:13
Speaker 3: Jazz think is severe enough to sit him down. Because
29:17
Speaker 3: now you're a dictatorship in the NBA front office. Now
29:22
Speaker 3: you're deciding you the league are the ultimate authority on
29:26
Speaker 3: whether or not a player should play through injuries that
29:30
Speaker 3: are questionable about their severity. Uh huh. The NBA can't
29:35
Speaker 3: do this. Now they can say, hey, guys, we know
29:42
Speaker 3: you're tanking because that's not enough. That inflammation is not
29:45
Speaker 3: enough to stop lowry marketing. If he actually wants to play,
29:48
Speaker 3: if he actually wants to try, if you actually want
29:50
Speaker 3: to try, I know what it looks like, and that's
29:53
Speaker 3: not severe enough. Our doctors said that's not severe enough.
29:57
Speaker 3: And if you're the Utah Jazz. You just say, okay,
29:59
Speaker 3: go ahead, let's play chicken here. You want to start
30:03
Speaker 3: setting this precedent that you decide in the league office,
30:08
Speaker 3: your doctors decide who plays. It's a pretty severe conflict
30:12
Speaker 3: of interest from a player and a player relations and
30:16
Speaker 3: collective bargaining standpoint. You ever watched like the old the
30:25
Speaker 3: old military videos and the UH they did like a
30:28
Speaker 3: vice on this of the India Pakistan border. So there's
30:35
Speaker 3: just a ton of peacocking going on at that India
30:38
Speaker 3: Pakistan border. They have these checkpoints set up and it
30:41
Speaker 3: is the most extravagant of like marching displays and rifle
30:46
Speaker 3: spinning and crazy goose stepping. It's like a very performative peacocking.
30:54
Speaker 3: They're like the animals in the wild that don't want
30:58
Speaker 3: to fight because they know that it's going to be
31:01
Speaker 3: costly for both right, so there's a bluff charge on
31:04
Speaker 3: both sides, always constantly forever. It feels like there's a
31:09
Speaker 3: little bit of that going on right now where this
31:11
Speaker 3: could be a stalemate of standoff where the Utah Jazz,
31:15
Speaker 3: sure you're not just talking about the Cold War, The
31:18
Speaker 3: Utah Jazz have to do what they have to do
31:21
Speaker 3: there's no other option here. You cannot win your way
31:25
Speaker 3: out of having this draft pick and letting it convey
31:28
Speaker 3: to Oklahoma City. That is a non starter for the
31:30
Speaker 3: Utah Jazz and for the NBA they feel the same way.
31:33
Speaker 3: We cannot let teams tank, and we've chosen them to
31:36
Speaker 3: be our example. So now you've got two exotic birds
31:40
Speaker 3: in the wild fluffing up their feathers and crowing and
31:45
Speaker 3: making a bunch of weird gestures. But I don't think
31:48
Speaker 3: they either side can actually afford a fight here. Now,
31:51
Speaker 3: the Jazz less than the NBA, certainly, But the NBA
31:54
Speaker 3: can't afford to pick this fight, not in a real way.
31:57
Speaker 3: They could throw a five hundred thousand dollars fine out
31:59
Speaker 3: and they can and make some phone calls to Ryan Smith,
32:04
Speaker 3: but there's too much precedent for this. They can't actually
32:07
Speaker 3: do this. You can't force players to play just because
32:12
Speaker 3: you think that their injury is not severe enough. Cannot
32:16
Speaker 3: do it, not from the NBA league office. You can't
32:19
Speaker 3: even do it if you're the team. Certainly, can't do
32:22
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Speaker 3: I'm on mind Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell show.
33:53
Speaker 3: Welcome in our resident NBA guru, Gordy Chiasa. He's here
33:57
Speaker 3: in studio with us for the next hour or so. Gordy, welcome.
34:01
Speaker 3: How are you, sir, Sean. I'm doing well, Thank you.
34:05
Speaker 3: Lowry Marketing. Injured in practice going to have an MRI
34:09
Speaker 3: on the hip, and that has set off a little
34:13
Speaker 3: firestorm of conversation about league oversight on these injury situations.
34:19
Speaker 3: There's some nuance to this, it would appear after Tony Jones,
34:22
Speaker 3: who initially reported that the NBA was going to double
34:25
Speaker 3: check whatever the results were with the Utah Jazz. Now
34:28
Speaker 3: that tweet has since been deleted, but the accurate language,
34:32
Speaker 3: according to Tony himself, is that, no, the league is
34:35
Speaker 3: still going to evaluate. Maybe the tweet was deleted because
34:40
Speaker 3: it suggested that the league was actually going to send
34:42
Speaker 3: people to Salt Lake City. Who knows, But Gordy, you've
34:46
Speaker 3: been around the league longer than most of us have
34:49
Speaker 3: been watching it, and is this Has this ever been
34:54
Speaker 3: something that happens with the league where they're like, oh,
34:57
Speaker 3: so and so got injured, Well, let the league gets
35:00
Speaker 3: self check up on how severe that injury is or
35:02
Speaker 3: do they defer to teams?
35:04
Speaker 4: They defer to teams. This is I've never heard before
35:08
Speaker 4: in my life with the NBA where they're so involved
35:11
Speaker 4: with the injury and you know, the team doctors they
35:14
Speaker 4: have to document it. So players get hurt in practice.
35:17
Speaker 4: So Larry Marketing for the listeners right ankle and write
35:19
Speaker 4: hip injury yesterday. In practice you're taking an MRI, So
35:23
Speaker 4: we don't know the MRI I what as far as
35:26
Speaker 4: what the results are right now. And the NBA right
35:30
Speaker 4: now is overreacting to anything that the Utah Jazz do
35:35
Speaker 4: right now, which is absolutely unfortunate. And I always said
35:38
Speaker 4: mentioning it to you last week's Sean, why is the
35:41
Speaker 4: NBA picking on the Jazz of all teams because many
35:44
Speaker 4: teams have the exact same issues, But they're signaling out
35:48
Speaker 4: to Jazz, so there's no way that they're going to
35:51
Speaker 4: send a doctor out here. The team doctors that are professional,
35:55
Speaker 4: they're going to document with the MRI whe whether what
35:58
Speaker 4: type of injury is right now, then the just decide
36:01
Speaker 4: whether they're gonna play or not.
36:03
Speaker 3: And I think it's important to note that when you're
36:05
Speaker 3: talking about these injuries, it's not like there's a threshold,
36:10
Speaker 3: there's uniformity to Let's say they do find something a
36:14
Speaker 3: tear of some kind of partial tear of some kind.
36:17
Speaker 3: There are some players who are going to say, Oh,
36:19
Speaker 3: this is a pain management thing. I'll play through this.
36:22
Speaker 3: Oh there's one year left in my career. I'll play
36:24
Speaker 3: through this. Oh we're headed to the NBA Finals this year,
36:27
Speaker 3: I'll play through this. It's not like a binary thing
36:30
Speaker 3: where it's, oh, it's a broken ankle, you can't play
36:34
Speaker 3: until that bone is healed. When we're talking about soft
36:36
Speaker 3: tissue injuries and you know the evaluation of soft tissue injuries,
36:42
Speaker 3: you have to take everything into context. So given that,
36:46
Speaker 3: I mean, even if the league does want to oversee
36:48
Speaker 3: what the Utah team does, it doesn't mean they know
36:51
Speaker 3: anything about Lowry Markinen's pain threshold. It doesn't mean they
36:55
Speaker 3: know anything about like his growth plates. It doesn't like
36:59
Speaker 3: there's so many things that can affect what you see
37:03
Speaker 3: in an image and whether or not that is a
37:05
Speaker 3: disqualifier from competing at a high level or not agreed absolute.
37:09
Speaker 4: That's something at also Larry Marketing is having to create
37:12
Speaker 4: high as far as points per game average at twenty
37:15
Speaker 4: six points, seven points per game, and now he's averaging
37:17
Speaker 4: a solid seven seven rebounds and he's a big part
37:20
Speaker 4: of the future. And if he's if he's hurt right now,
37:24
Speaker 4: the Jazz are going to use good judgment and not
37:26
Speaker 4: play him. So I'm assuming he's hurt. So I'm gonna
37:29
Speaker 4: take the glasses half fill approach where he's hurt, he
37:34
Speaker 4: wants to play, but he's hurt right now. Take an
37:36
Speaker 4: MRA and they've not shown as a few minutes ago,
37:40
Speaker 4: they've not announced the results yet. They've not announced it,
37:42
Speaker 4: so it's all speculative right now. But the NBA, they
37:47
Speaker 4: are looking at the Jazz a much closer viewpoint than
37:50
Speaker 4: the other teams, which I feel is absolutely unfortunate. Remember now,
37:54
Speaker 4: Larry Marketing, there's an element right now, there's twenty four
37:57
Speaker 4: games left, and so the Jazz are right now the
38:01
Speaker 4: thirteenth place with a record of eighteen and forty and
38:06
Speaker 4: they've lost free to last games in a row, and
38:09
Speaker 4: the Jazz are going to the number priority right now
38:13
Speaker 4: is to protect their their draft pick this year in
38:16
Speaker 4: the twenty twenty six draft, where if it's eight eight
38:20
Speaker 4: or below, they keep the pick. If it's not above,
38:22
Speaker 4: it goes to the OKC thunder. So that's part of
38:25
Speaker 4: the backdrop that the NBA is looking at. But if
38:29
Speaker 4: the guy's hurt right now with an injury, the Jazz
38:32
Speaker 4: are going to use good judgment as far as playing
38:34
Speaker 4: them and not playing them.
38:35
Speaker 3: Okay, it's just a clarification here. Tony Jones, who's kind
38:38
Speaker 3: of at the center of this, and there's a long
38:40
Speaker 3: time jazz insider, and you know he's a good reporter.
38:43
Speaker 3: He just tweeted this lowry marketen is undergoing his MRI.
38:47
Speaker 3: I'm told, so the Jazz should have results coming. The
38:49
Speaker 3: NBA is evaluating the results a standard practice. They did
38:54
Speaker 3: not send medical personnel to Utah, so it's like we
38:56
Speaker 3: were just hypothesizing. He said that part I got wrong.
39:00
Speaker 3: My apologies. So again, there's no functional difference because an
39:08
Speaker 3: MRI is a picture that is taken. It doesn't it's
39:12
Speaker 3: not even something that has to be conducted by a doctor.
39:15
Speaker 3: It is an MRI tech. You can go to a
39:19
Speaker 3: trade school and you can learn how to do this,
39:21
Speaker 3: and I'm not trying to diminish that because it's a
39:24
Speaker 3: great field to be in and these medical images are
39:27
Speaker 3: an important part of the diagnostic and treatment process. But
39:32
Speaker 3: you don't have to send medical personnel to Utah. It
39:34
Speaker 3: doesn't change the point of what we're talking about here.
39:37
Speaker 3: If the league office is saying, no, I need to
39:40
Speaker 3: see that picture. I need to see that image. We
39:43
Speaker 3: need to double check your work. That is the crux
39:46
Speaker 3: of the argument here. And Tony says, NBA is evaluating
39:50
Speaker 3: the results as standard practice. How standard is that practice?
39:54
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm they do they make sure that they
39:57
Speaker 3: get the results from every injury, from every t If
40:00
Speaker 3: the answer to that is no, then you're absolutely singling
40:02
Speaker 3: out the jazz here.
40:03
Speaker 4: Yeah, very much.
40:04
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
40:04
Speaker 4: And to my knowledge, I've been in the NBA for
40:07
Speaker 4: thirty eight years now, I've never heard this scrutiny of
40:10
Speaker 4: an injury because remember, players want to perform, and if
40:15
Speaker 4: you if you can't play because of an injury, then
40:18
Speaker 4: the doctor's decide who plays, not the player. The doctors do.
40:22
Speaker 4: And these doctors are professional. Let let's say the least.
40:25
Speaker 4: And you know, Sean, I was, I'm looking at this,
40:27
Speaker 4: uh this injury. Remember now you're staring right now across
40:30
Speaker 4: the headsets of somebody with two fake emphasize fake hips
40:36
Speaker 4: with as far as a surgery, so I know firsthand
40:39
Speaker 4: about it. If you're you got if you got hit
40:41
Speaker 4: it in the during practice, will you fall down, you
40:43
Speaker 4: crash to the ground, you sprain your ankle, if you
40:46
Speaker 4: know it's it's a right hip. Also, it's a right ankle.
40:48
Speaker 4: So he fell on his right side of his body
40:51
Speaker 4: in practice, he probably got tangled up going for a
40:53
Speaker 4: rebound and he crashed through the floor. Because remember in
40:56
Speaker 4: the NBA, it's so hard to practice, you know, as
40:59
Speaker 4: far there's so few days we actually practice once the
41:01
Speaker 4: season starts. So yesterday is one of those days. And
41:07
Speaker 4: I'm sure he got hurt, and that's why they're taking
41:09
Speaker 4: to MRI and to be becautionary about it. Also, shown's
41:13
Speaker 4: a business situation, you know. Larry Markining is a huge
41:17
Speaker 4: part of the Jazz going forward, and his contract is
41:20
Speaker 4: this year and three more years out. So next year
41:24
Speaker 4: it makes forty six point one million, forty nine point
41:28
Speaker 4: eight in the twenty seven twenty eight season, the twenty
41:32
Speaker 4: eight twenty nine season he makes fifty three point five million.
41:35
Speaker 4: So guess what. The Jazz have a lot of things
41:37
Speaker 4: vested in him, and they're gonna make sure that he's okay,
41:40
Speaker 4: he's ready to play.
41:42
Speaker 3: We will await the results with baited breath. We will
41:45
Speaker 3: tell you what's coming. We will tell you whatever the
41:48
Speaker 3: Utah Jazz announced regarding Lowry's injury.
41:51
Speaker 4: So on, this firestorm all started because the Jazz were paid.
41:54
Speaker 4: We've got fined five hundred thousand dollars by the league
41:59
Speaker 4: office about twelve years ago, now whatever it was. And
42:03
Speaker 4: that's how it all started. Now with the scrutiny. And
42:06
Speaker 4: Rick Carlile just said two days ago that he questioned
42:09
Speaker 4: the NBA they're fine of one hundred thousand dollars of
42:13
Speaker 4: playing it. Also, Rick Carlisle is the president of the
42:17
Speaker 4: Coaches Association, So Sean, that's part of the backdrop. Also, Sean,
42:23
Speaker 4: so which means he's defending all the coaches in the NBA.
42:27
Speaker 4: Is happening to me, this is what I'm going to say.
42:30
Speaker 4: This is what I'm saying about our situation to make
42:33
Speaker 4: you aware of it. There's any problems with the NBA,
42:37
Speaker 4: you talk to me about it, and I'll be the
42:40
Speaker 4: front and center because that's what I do. As far
42:42
Speaker 4: as being elected as the president of the Coaches Association,
42:46
Speaker 4: which is the alliance of thirty head coaches and thirty
42:49
Speaker 4: head thirty coaching staffs.
42:53
Speaker 3: Well, I don't like seeing the Jazz at the center
42:56
Speaker 3: of any kind of firestorm here given the context of
43:00
Speaker 3: what this team needs to happen right now, you need
43:03
Speaker 3: to you need to see the team climb the ladder
43:06
Speaker 3: in terms of an NBA draft to where you can
43:09
Speaker 3: get one of these top three to four prospects that
43:12
Speaker 3: are in this upcoming draft. The rebuild, I think has
43:14
Speaker 3: been accelerated by the trade that happened a couple of
43:17
Speaker 3: weeks ago, but it is so far from being complete.
43:21
Speaker 3: And we learned this last year. You can't assume a
43:24
Speaker 3: positive result by any stretch of the imagination with the
43:27
Speaker 3: NBA Draft lottery. So maximizing those odds while you're on
43:31
Speaker 3: the you know what list of the NBA office doesn't
43:34
Speaker 3: seem like it's very likely agreed.
43:38
Speaker 4: For the listeners. Last year to Jazz had the worst
43:42
Speaker 4: record in basketball there was the three worst teams have
43:45
Speaker 4: a fourteen percent chance of getting the first pick of
43:49
Speaker 4: the draft, and it did not fall to them. The
43:51
Speaker 4: Jazz got the fifth pick, and that is a very
43:54
Speaker 4: talented player in Ace Belly, and I'm sure they're a
43:57
Speaker 4: static if you're going to pick number five he was
43:59
Speaker 4: the guy that he took and aces having an excellent
44:02
Speaker 4: rookie season, and you get the feeling that he's gonna
44:05
Speaker 4: be terrific each year out. And he's a he was
44:08
Speaker 4: a he was a smart pick by the Jazz and
44:10
Speaker 4: it was the right pick. Sean. This is not me
44:13
Speaker 4: talking about a colleague of mine told me this that
44:15
Speaker 4: part of the reason why the NBA is so vocal
44:20
Speaker 4: about this is because you remember, now, Sean, it's legal to
44:24
Speaker 4: bet on NBA games, and the Draft King is part
44:28
Speaker 4: of the equation right now, where Draft King is, the
44:32
Speaker 4: Sean is a is a sponsor of the betting site
44:36
Speaker 4: for NBA games. And so remember, Sean, besides you and
44:40
Speaker 4: James Peterson, you guys are very competent. You know, it
44:42
Speaker 4: is also very competent, Sean. The odds makers in Vegas,
44:47
Speaker 4: they never get it wrong, Sean, ninety percent of the time.
44:51
Speaker 4: So here's the question, what does Sean O'Connell and James
44:55
Speaker 4: Peterson have in common with the odds makers in Vegas?
44:58
Speaker 3: We always get it right.
44:59
Speaker 4: You always get right at least ninety percent of it.
45:01
Speaker 4: And so suddenly the this is the colleague of mine
45:05
Speaker 4: told me this that suddenly wait a second, Hey, wait
45:08
Speaker 4: a second, in the fourth quarter of these games right now,
45:12
Speaker 4: with these people are betting. We won't correct me.
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Speaker 3: I don't bet.
45:15
Speaker 4: Ever, so life betting by during game shows little, yeah,
45:18
Speaker 4: you do it. Okay, So suddenly these people are betting
45:20
Speaker 4: on these games. And wait a second, they're not playing
45:22
Speaker 4: these guys in the fourth quarter. That tilted a lot
45:25
Speaker 4: of things as far as the odds. And that's part
45:28
Speaker 4: of the reason why that the NBA is very in
45:31
Speaker 4: tune about this makes sense, all.
45:35
Speaker 3: Right, Lots left to get to. We will get away
45:37
Speaker 3: from the lowry marketing controversy because we don't have any
45:40
Speaker 3: real hardcore answers on it. Yet, There's plenty left to
45:43
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45:46
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46:28
Speaker 3: Chiasa here in studio with us Uh Gordi. We were
46:32
Speaker 3: just talking about this in the break. There's uh clutch
46:35
Speaker 3: points in the NBA. First of all, you have to
46:39
Speaker 3: be in situations that are regarded as clutch, which means
46:42
Speaker 3: you have to be playing in games in aredecently close
46:45
Speaker 3: before you could be on these clutch The Jazz are
46:48
Speaker 3: out of this conversation right now. Unfortunately, yes they are.
46:52
Speaker 4: So the players though, it's the clutch points means that
46:56
Speaker 4: is that your team is five points to five diferential
47:00
Speaker 4: under five minutes. So that's the criteria. So your team
47:04
Speaker 4: is you're playing in a game where there's five points
47:07
Speaker 4: differential with five minutes and under left in the game.
47:13
Speaker 4: So the leaders are right now as far as the
47:16
Speaker 4: most differential by the players, as far as being positive,
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Speaker 4: number one leader in the NBA is Tyrese Maxi of
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Speaker 4: the seventy six is He's one hundred and thirty seven.
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Speaker 4: Number two is h Jillis Alexander of the OKC Thunder.
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Speaker 4: He's one twenty eight. Number three Anthony Edwards of the
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Speaker 4: te Wolves is one twenty one, Kate Cunningham of Detroit
47:40
Speaker 4: Pistons is one fifteen, Jamal Murray of the Devin Nuggets
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Speaker 4: is one ten, and the sixth player is Nikolai Jokic
47:50
Speaker 4: of the Nuggets, also at one oh one. And so
47:53
Speaker 4: it just shows you that these clutch players that they
47:57
Speaker 4: lead their teams in direct correlation with Kate cunning and
48:00
Speaker 4: being there and Shae Jos Alexander, they lead their teams
48:04
Speaker 4: in first place in each each conference with the Pistons
48:07
Speaker 4: of forty three and fourteen and the Thunder of forty
48:11
Speaker 4: five and fifteen. And so the question right now is
48:15
Speaker 4: is the MVP. So part of this discussion right now
48:20
Speaker 4: that Sean and I had off air was about the
48:24
Speaker 4: MVP race, which is actulutely a factor at these six
48:29
Speaker 4: guys right now, the top three this is just my opinion,
48:33
Speaker 4: now the top three that have I was voting, I'd
48:37
Speaker 4: vote number one sha Jos Alexander as the leading candidate
48:41
Speaker 4: for MVP. Number two, I'd vote Nikolai Jokic, and number
48:45
Speaker 4: three and climbing is Kane Cunningham. Those three, and then
48:50
Speaker 4: number four is Victor Wemby Amber and number five it's
48:54
Speaker 4: hard to imagine, but number five he's vastly underrated. He's
48:57
Speaker 4: never in the discussion for some bizarre reason, and is
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Speaker 4: gel and Brown of the Celtics. So those five guys
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Speaker 4: I'm saying should be the leading candidates for m v P.
49:08
Speaker 4: And part of the segue is because of the clutch
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Speaker 4: shooting ability and basket making in the fourth quarter. What
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Speaker 4: about h luk at Dantag. The answer is, yeah, he'sa
49:18
Speaker 4: get some votes to the m v P, but you
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Speaker 4: get the but he's not one of the leaders as
49:22
Speaker 4: far as clutch points, as far as under five with
49:25
Speaker 4: five points or less. Now you're saying the reason. Part
49:28
Speaker 4: of the reason why could because the Lakers don't play
49:30
Speaker 4: in a lot of games where the Lakers either win
49:32
Speaker 4: big or lose big. And that's part of it. Also,
49:35
Speaker 4: I get it, but when you're a winner, you're involved
49:38
Speaker 4: in a lot of close games, both home and away.
49:40
Speaker 4: That's why you that's why you have a great record
49:43
Speaker 4: because those games where you don't fee, you're not shooting well,
49:47
Speaker 4: but you somehow you just grind it out and win
49:50
Speaker 4: by two or three. And these guys I mentioned above
49:53
Speaker 4: right now, these guys lead the charge.
49:56
Speaker 3: There's a graph. I'll find it and tweet it. There's
49:59
Speaker 3: a graph out there that shows the the most the
50:04
Speaker 3: highest clutch shooting percentage by teams, by players, et cetera.
50:08
Speaker 3: And unfortunately the Jazz are way down at the bottom
50:10
Speaker 3: because they haven't been in those games. They haven't been
50:13
Speaker 3: in the in the close games. They've deliberately in a
50:16
Speaker 3: lot of cases, not been in those games. Correct.
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Speaker 4: And that's where again, that's why winning close games, whether
50:22
Speaker 4: it's in the NBA or the NFL, it comes down
50:25
Speaker 4: to one star power the whereas these guys have ball
50:30
Speaker 4: skills and the mental capacity to score the ball when
50:37
Speaker 4: the defense is actually really strong. And so I call
50:40
Speaker 4: that they make something out of nothing.
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Speaker 3: Often.
50:43
Speaker 4: So think about these guys, Terse MAXI good, tremendous one
50:47
Speaker 4: on one player got elevation game, Sha jillis Alexander when
50:50
Speaker 4: the best drivers in the game excise me. Anthony Edwards
50:55
Speaker 4: three point shooter and also what a tremendous acrobatic finisher Dingham.
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Speaker 4: He almost has an old school like back back down
51:04
Speaker 4: game the way he plays Jamal Murray. That guy's feel
51:07
Speaker 4: us in the fourth quarter with games. And then Nikolai Jokic,
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Speaker 4: where we all know about him is that he is
51:15
Speaker 4: as a tremendous, unbelievable talent, he's almost impossible to guard.
51:19
Speaker 4: But I would lean towards this year again, the defending
51:22
Speaker 4: defending MVP would be j Jills Alexander. Now he's missed
51:27
Speaker 4: eleven games, and you know the rules right now as
51:29
Speaker 4: far as Sean being MVP, is that the criteria who
51:33
Speaker 4: was put in the twenty three to twenty fourth season,
51:35
Speaker 4: you have to play in sixty five games to qualify
51:38
Speaker 4: for and be eligible for any of the major award recognitions.
51:43
Speaker 4: All right, So the players you agree with that with
51:45
Speaker 4: the NBA to mandate at the clause combined individual individual,
51:51
Speaker 4: it takes away from teams. Segway also about resting guys
51:55
Speaker 4: when they're healthy, and so this is why wants to
52:00
Speaker 4: have their star players as much as they can't be
52:03
Speaker 4: on the court.
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Speaker 3: Well, that's a that's an interesting thing. I want to
52:07
Speaker 3: take a break care I want to come back and
52:08
Speaker 3: talk about that. Sixty five game. Manshold the mandate because
52:14
Speaker 3: you know there there's obvious utility to it. Is it
52:18
Speaker 3: serving the fan is we know that the broadcast partners
52:22
Speaker 3: like it, but is it helping the fan base. We'll
52:25
Speaker 3: take a quick one. We'll come back with Gordon Chiza
52:27
Speaker 3: talk for another twenty five minutes or so. It's the
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Speaker 1: You were listening to The Sean O'Connell Show from the
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Speaker 3: Hundred and ninety two to one, alf A m the
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Speaker 3: sixty five game threshold for end of season awards. It
52:56
Speaker 3: was agreed upon by the league's broadcast partners. It was
52:59
Speaker 3: agreed upon by the players Association. It was agreed upon
53:04
Speaker 3: by all the powerful parties in the NBA because, well,
53:09
Speaker 3: like Gordy already stated, for obvious reasons, you want the
53:12
Speaker 3: best players to be able to play. Players were like, Okay,
53:16
Speaker 3: I've got certain clauses in my contract. If I make
53:19
Speaker 3: all NBA, I get another bonus, I get to unlock
53:23
Speaker 3: a potential Supermax contract, whatever. But I'm gonna agree that
53:27
Speaker 3: I'll play at least sixty five games. Here in the
53:30
Speaker 3: load management era of the NBA, sixty five might be
53:33
Speaker 3: too high of a number, and it's starting to be
53:36
Speaker 3: looked at again. For example, Gordy, Steph Curry, Lebron, James Giannis,
53:46
Speaker 3: Anthony Davis. But I don't think he was going to
53:47
Speaker 3: be anything anyway. Those guys are already ineligible because they
53:51
Speaker 3: haven't played sixty five games. They mathematically cannot play sixty
53:54
Speaker 3: five games. Kawhi Leonard can miss three more games and
53:58
Speaker 3: then he's ineligible. Nikola Jokic, he could miss one more
54:03
Speaker 3: game and then he's ineligible. Victor wm Binyama three more
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Speaker 3: games before he's ineligible for All NBA All Defense, MVP,
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Speaker 3: Defensive Player of the Year, Most Improved Player. I just
54:16
Speaker 3: named for you most of the important players in the NBA,
54:22
Speaker 3: and they're not going to be eligible for these postseason
54:24
Speaker 3: awards if they miss more games.
54:27
Speaker 4: Correct, And you could thank these four teams that over
54:30
Speaker 4: the years abuse of sitting out players. They were the Spurs,
54:35
Speaker 4: the MAVs, the Cavs, and the Clippers. Those are the
54:39
Speaker 4: fourth franchises historically and institutionally they set out guys, and
54:44
Speaker 4: that's where the NBA and more importantly, show's alluding to
54:48
Speaker 4: the partners, meaning television. If your television your your TV,
54:53
Speaker 4: and you spend billions of dollars on the contract, and
54:57
Speaker 4: there's a lot of eyeballs gonna watch this certain game,
55:00
Speaker 4: and you set out a player and usually shown with
55:03
Speaker 4: the Spurs, it was Tim Duncan. See that was Tim
55:06
Speaker 4: Duncan often set out some back to back games and
55:09
Speaker 4: Tony Parker and Monitor Nobili, and then the NBA said
55:13
Speaker 4: to the with the TV partners, uh, really leading to charge,
55:17
Speaker 4: we can't do this, and that created this. So if
55:21
Speaker 4: you make All League and you make Defensive Player of
55:25
Speaker 4: the Year, that means besides having an elite skill set,
55:30
Speaker 4: is that also that season you're you you had very
55:33
Speaker 4: few injuries f at all, and you give the following
55:36
Speaker 4: year you get play even better as far as statistically,
55:39
Speaker 4: and your team did played wonderful. Your team, but you
55:42
Speaker 4: miss games you wouldn't, you'll be ineligible. So it's a
55:46
Speaker 4: slippery slope for those people. And that's why it's so
55:49
Speaker 4: important if you're if you're not injured, play.
55:54
Speaker 3: The defending m v P. Shade Gildess Alexander has already
55:57
Speaker 3: missed eleven games side left.
55:59
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's got six left.
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Speaker 3: He's got six left. I mean, it gets, it gets dicey.
56:04
Speaker 3: And the reason for me like, is this serving Is
56:07
Speaker 3: this serving the broadcast partners? I kind of don't care
56:10
Speaker 3: because that's above my pay grade. Is this serving the fans? Well,
56:15
Speaker 3: that's what the NBA should really be doing. And I
56:18
Speaker 3: don't want load management to be the thing that it is.
56:20
Speaker 3: I don't want guys to be sitting out. I don't
56:23
Speaker 3: want I don't want people who are compensated tens of
56:28
Speaker 3: millions of dollars every year to say, oh, this job
56:30
Speaker 3: is too hard for me to be expected to show
56:33
Speaker 3: up to work every day. I think that's ridiculous. I
56:34
Speaker 3: think that's silly. But I also don't want to see
56:38
Speaker 3: someone who's MVP worthy MVP caliber eliminated from contention on
56:44
Speaker 3: a technicality, especially if he rushes himself back as quickly
56:49
Speaker 3: as he possibly can, maybe misses eighteen twenty games, but
56:53
Speaker 3: still plays at an MVP or at least an all
56:55
Speaker 3: league level, you're gonna say he's not the MVP and
57:00
Speaker 3: instead Jalen Brown is that's bananas. The NBA having an
57:05
Speaker 3: MVP by default is not good for the fans. It's
57:10
Speaker 3: not good for anyone if the MVP award goes to
57:12
Speaker 3: someone who is not the most important, the best player
57:16
Speaker 3: in the NBA, because that person missed too many games,
57:19
Speaker 3: especially with legitimate injury, we have now missed the point
57:23
Speaker 3: of the award.
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Speaker 4: Now, with that said, so the wild card right now
57:30
Speaker 4: is Kate Cunningham, who's having an absolute incredible season. His
57:35
Speaker 4: team's in first place. He's a walking double double every
57:40
Speaker 4: single game, he plays tremendous defense, he's a world class leader,
57:45
Speaker 4: and he's the catalyst for the Pistons, and so Sean
57:50
Speaker 4: if it was the fault, just hypothetically, as far as
57:53
Speaker 4: the narrative right now, unit are discussing and listeners right
57:56
Speaker 4: now driving in the car there, it's focusing on Nikolai
58:02
Speaker 4: Jokiz and Shajes Alexander. That Kay Cunningham, if he got
58:06
Speaker 4: the MVP, he's absolutely worthy of it because he's on
58:09
Speaker 4: the best team. Remember, now, the question is who votes.
58:12
Speaker 4: The coaches don't vote. It's the accredited media personnel around
58:18
Speaker 4: the NBA. It's roughly one hundred and twenty five people
58:21
Speaker 4: vote on the MVP, so it's not voted by the coaches,
58:24
Speaker 4: and that's a different factor also because sometimes you not.
58:27
Speaker 4: Sometimes often coaches would vote differently as far as MVP.
58:32
Speaker 4: They would because they view the game much differently than we, say,
58:35
Speaker 4: just the media that understands the game, but they look
58:39
Speaker 4: at mostly only scoring, which is absolutely important I get,
58:42
Speaker 4: but also the intangibles of leading your team. So if
58:46
Speaker 4: Kay got it, the Pistons are forty three and fourteen.
58:50
Speaker 4: The home record is twenty two and seven, and more importantly,
58:53
Speaker 4: the away record is twenty and seven. So he's leading
58:57
Speaker 4: the charge both home and away for his friend. And
59:00
Speaker 4: you know for the Pistons, if you're a Detroit fan,
59:03
Speaker 4: is that Let's not forget two seasons ago they lost
59:08
Speaker 4: twenty eight straight games in a row, so they go.
59:10
Speaker 4: Kate Cunningham has has led the franchise for the last
59:13
Speaker 4: five years to this renaissance, and he's he's worthy of
59:16
Speaker 4: being MVP.
59:20
Speaker 3: Is he worthy of being MVP in a fully loaded
59:24
Speaker 3: race that includes SGA, Jokic, etcetera. Or is he worthy
59:28
Speaker 3: of being MVP because he played more than those guys
59:31
Speaker 3: who are going to be ineligible if they can't meet
59:34
Speaker 3: the sixty five game threshold.
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Speaker 4: No, this year he's worthy. Yeah, sure, And this year
59:38
Speaker 4: you can this year, he's absolutely worthy. Yeah, he's right
59:42
Speaker 4: there as far as him see a lot of times. Also,
59:45
Speaker 4: it's it's a bias, you know, where if you don't
59:49
Speaker 4: see a guy play all the time. In the other words,
59:52
Speaker 4: like everybody knows Nikolai Jokic from the championship level that
59:56
Speaker 4: you know back in twenty twenty three and there were
59:58
Speaker 4: champions and then Shape Jills Alexander he was champions. But
1:00:02
Speaker 4: really Detroit Pistons. I thought the Celts are better than
1:00:06
Speaker 4: the pitchers. No, they're not. Detroit's having a having a
1:00:09
Speaker 4: great year and Detroit also last season had a really
1:00:13
Speaker 4: good good alleger where it's the Pistons won less last
1:00:17
Speaker 4: year forty four games and thirty eight, so this year
1:00:20
Speaker 4: they're gonna win close to fifty eight games. And so
1:00:25
Speaker 4: that's the bias where that the media if they didn't
1:00:29
Speaker 4: vote Ky Cunningham the MVP because he's worthy of it,
1:00:32
Speaker 4: it's because they don't realize how good he is yet
1:00:37
Speaker 4: because of the team's success of not consecutive seasons. So
1:00:42
Speaker 4: it's the one time right now, but they're trending up
1:00:45
Speaker 4: from last year and so that's part of it also,
1:00:48
Speaker 4: and it's important to understand that that being m VP
1:00:54
Speaker 4: means that you're the most valuable player usually on a
1:00:57
Speaker 4: absolutely winning team, not the best team, but at this
1:01:01
Speaker 4: time it is the best team though with them them
1:01:03
Speaker 4: in the Thunder, but a winning team. So look at Donte.
1:01:06
Speaker 4: You canna make a discussion. Also is a tremendous player
1:01:10
Speaker 4: MVPs far statistics, but his team isn't as good this year.
1:01:13
Speaker 4: Is it his fault?
1:01:14
Speaker 3: No?
1:01:14
Speaker 4: Not really, not totally. But he the Lakers right now,
1:01:18
Speaker 4: the thirty four and twenty three much different than the
1:01:21
Speaker 4: Thunder forty five and fifteen. And Sewan with the Nuggets.
1:01:24
Speaker 4: As far as defending Nikolay Jokic, let's not forget they'll
1:01:27
Speaker 4: playing with that. Alan Gordon now's the whole season and
1:01:29
Speaker 4: that's impressive what he's done.
1:01:32
Speaker 3: Gordy Chaz is here with us for a few more
1:01:34
Speaker 3: minutes on the Sean O'Connell show. Gordy in the conversation
1:01:39
Speaker 3: about tanking in the NBA and how the league can
1:01:41
Speaker 3: control tanking. There's been all these crazy proposals put out
1:01:44
Speaker 3: put out there. Some of them I think are crazy,
1:01:46
Speaker 3: some of them not so crazy. I like the idea
1:01:50
Speaker 3: that I'm reading in this one. I don't know. I'm
1:01:52
Speaker 3: sure you have seen this, but one of the proposals
1:01:55
Speaker 3: out there is that right now most of you out
1:01:59
Speaker 3: there know this. Right now, the team with the most
1:02:02
Speaker 3: losses has the best odds to get the number one
1:02:05
Speaker 3: pick in the draft lottery. There's a proposal that instead
1:02:10
Speaker 3: of racking up the losses being incentivized at the All
1:02:14
Speaker 3: Star break, you would flip to where now instead of
1:02:20
Speaker 3: rewarding losses, now the teams that are in that lottery position,
1:02:26
Speaker 3: the wins count towards bettering your odds. So the harder
1:02:29
Speaker 3: you try after the All Star break, after the tail
1:02:33
Speaker 3: end of the season, the better you do there. That
1:02:37
Speaker 3: improves your draft odds. So you would lop off the
1:02:40
Speaker 3: bottom of the league after the All Star week or
1:02:44
Speaker 3: All Star weekend, you'd say, all right, these are the
1:02:46
Speaker 3: teams that are going to be in our draft lottery.
1:02:48
Speaker 3: Now it's a race to the end. How many of
1:02:50
Speaker 3: you can get wins and try to maximize and you
1:02:53
Speaker 3: would put you'd basically count wins in the second half
1:02:55
Speaker 3: of the season the way that you count losses in
1:02:58
Speaker 3: the first half of the season convoluted. When you're talking
1:03:01
Speaker 3: about teams that are like borderline good, borderline bad. But
1:03:04
Speaker 3: what do you think of that as a proposal.
1:03:06
Speaker 4: It's radical, but it could possibly make sense. But instead
1:03:09
Speaker 4: also a weekend, i'd go to less twenty games of
1:03:12
Speaker 4: the season, So I go twenty games and so then
1:03:15
Speaker 4: it's almost like showing almost like a mini tournament now
1:03:19
Speaker 4: for the lesser teams, like a mini tournament of how
1:03:22
Speaker 4: many wings we can get? And then the odds, so
1:03:25
Speaker 4: showing the way the odds are. The three worst teams
1:03:29
Speaker 4: in the NBA after the lottery were also chosen some
1:03:33
Speaker 4: time in May. They haven't told shed what's the exact
1:03:36
Speaker 4: day of the lottery. It's always on a Tuesday. I
1:03:38
Speaker 4: know that, and positive that, so sometime in May, usually
1:03:42
Speaker 4: middle of May, usually speaking during the second round of
1:03:46
Speaker 4: the playoffs, and so they'd have forty chance of getting
1:03:49
Speaker 4: the first pick of the draft. So the three worst
1:03:51
Speaker 4: teams would get to fourteen percent of the draft as
1:03:54
Speaker 4: far as the odds, but in this situation that might happen,
1:03:59
Speaker 4: but it's based on geting wins versus losses, so many
1:04:02
Speaker 4: showing it's radical, but the NBA is trying to do
1:04:06
Speaker 4: something that the that the product is better the whole
1:04:10
Speaker 4: season long we'll see.
1:04:12
Speaker 3: The official stance of the Sean O'Connell Show is that
1:04:15
Speaker 3: the way to fix it is to have an actual
1:04:18
Speaker 3: tournament instead of like a pseudo race to the end,
1:04:22
Speaker 3: an actual tournament where the winner of said tournament gets
1:04:26
Speaker 3: the number one pick, with the caveat being in order
1:04:29
Speaker 3: to prevent roster manipulation to where you sit, you know,
1:04:34
Speaker 3: allow remarking in a triple j you sit hitting those
1:04:37
Speaker 3: guys all season long, so you're in the lottery tournament,
1:04:40
Speaker 3: but then you make them available for the lot of returnament.
1:04:43
Speaker 3: The Sean O'Connell show proposal is that the tournament happens,
1:04:47
Speaker 3: but your players are only available for as much of
1:04:50
Speaker 3: the tournament as they were of the regular season. So
1:04:54
Speaker 3: if a guy missed half of the regular season and
1:04:57
Speaker 3: that's why you're in the lottery tournament, that guy can
1:04:59
Speaker 3: only play half of the tournament. And the way that
1:05:02
Speaker 3: you do it is you use minutes in games. So
1:05:06
Speaker 3: your first game of the tournament, if Lowry market and
1:05:08
Speaker 3: missed fifty percent of the time in the regular season,
1:05:11
Speaker 3: he can play fifty percent of the minutes in your
1:05:13
Speaker 3: first tournament game, and that way it's a reflection of
1:05:17
Speaker 3: the regular season, a direct mathematical reflection of the regular season,
1:05:21
Speaker 3: but now with higher stakes. And I think that would
1:05:23
Speaker 3: be from a viewership standpoint, I truly believe that would
1:05:26
Speaker 3: be compelling. If you had the best teams in the
1:05:29
Speaker 3: league competing for an NBA championship and the worst teams
1:05:32
Speaker 3: in the league competing for the number one overall pick,
1:05:35
Speaker 3: I would watch both of those.
1:05:37
Speaker 4: And add to that you left out also the playing tournament.
1:05:40
Speaker 4: So now the NBA would have three things. Then the
1:05:43
Speaker 4: regular season as far as the top six, then it's
1:05:46
Speaker 4: number seven through ten for the playing tournament, with two
1:05:49
Speaker 4: of those winners make the playoffs. And then the proposal
1:05:53
Speaker 4: you're talking about, and so as many people in the NBA,
1:05:56
Speaker 4: as far as having a mini loser bracket to try,
1:06:00
Speaker 4: they chased the first, second, third pick of the draft.
1:06:03
Speaker 4: But showing I would still keep I would still keep
1:06:05
Speaker 4: the fourteen percent odds style. I still would.
1:06:07
Speaker 3: Oh you'd want to keep it still as though. Yeah,
1:06:09
Speaker 3: in other words, so you're playing for the highest odds,
1:06:11
Speaker 3: not for the for the top pick directly.
1:06:13
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, that's what That's what I recommend. If it happens.
1:06:16
Speaker 4: Remember now the border governors meeting NBA owners have to
1:06:19
Speaker 4: vote on this, and I'm sure they're all very cognizant
1:06:22
Speaker 4: of it. Now show I know we have a get
1:06:23
Speaker 4: I know where we have a game tonight at the
1:06:25
Speaker 4: Adulta Center. And so ironically we're talking about odds and lotteries,
1:06:30
Speaker 4: et cetera, et cetera. So the Jazz right now the
1:06:32
Speaker 4: thirteenth seed in the West as far as place at
1:06:37
Speaker 4: eighteen and forty and the Pelicans showing are fourteen at
1:06:41
Speaker 4: seventeen and forty two. So ironic right now number thirteen
1:06:44
Speaker 4: and fourteen are playing each other. And so tonight's game
1:06:47
Speaker 4: be going to the Delta Center. Right now, is that
1:06:52
Speaker 4: the Pelicans fired Willie Green during this thought the season
1:06:56
Speaker 4: he was two and ten and then James Barrego is
1:06:59
Speaker 4: an ENTRANM coach. Right now the head coach of the
1:07:01
Speaker 4: of the Pelicans is wrecked is fifteen and thirty two. Now,
1:07:05
Speaker 4: when's the last time anybody's shown in this building? Meaning
1:07:09
Speaker 4: you and James and Spence and everyone else that's here.
1:07:14
Speaker 4: And the Gordon chers have mentioned this person's name, member Sean.
1:07:18
Speaker 4: His name is Zion Williamson. This NBA is cruel Sewan
1:07:23
Speaker 4: where suddenly you're you're you're popping out your sneakers in
1:07:27
Speaker 4: college and everyone's talking about you. He's laughing, showing he
1:07:30
Speaker 4: Seawan's laughing right now where he've popped out his sneakers.
1:07:32
Speaker 4: He literally that's exactly right, and that gave so much
1:07:36
Speaker 4: street cred to him as far as everything. So Zion
1:07:39
Speaker 4: Williamson again segue talking about missing games. So he's missed
1:07:44
Speaker 4: so many games in his first six years of his career.
1:07:47
Speaker 4: This year is sewn. He's missed sixteen games out of
1:07:50
Speaker 4: the team's fifty nine games. But here's the quick metrics
1:07:53
Speaker 4: about him. He's still absolutely a force inside. He's averaging
1:07:56
Speaker 4: twenty one point nine points per game, fifty eight point
1:07:59
Speaker 4: five field goal percentage, a very wobbly twenty five percent
1:08:04
Speaker 4: from threes, and he's only averaging six point rebounds a game,
1:08:07
Speaker 4: six point zero. So with that body and that vertical
1:08:11
Speaker 4: lift right now, he's a better rebounder, all right. They
1:08:14
Speaker 4: picked in the lottery last year, both the Pelicans did.
1:08:17
Speaker 4: They came out with a guy named Jeremy Jeremiah Fears.
1:08:21
Speaker 3: All right.
1:08:21
Speaker 4: He was picked number seven in the draft. Ironically, sewn.
1:08:25
Speaker 4: He's played on every game this year. So the young
1:08:27
Speaker 4: fella nineteen years old that was picked number seven last year,
1:08:31
Speaker 4: has played on every single game all fifty nine. His
1:08:34
Speaker 4: quick numbers, just to just to a show of what
1:08:37
Speaker 4: he's done, thirteen point one points per game, three point
1:08:40
Speaker 4: to assist. But again, he's shooting a very ice copercentence
1:08:44
Speaker 4: from the field, which means that, well, you don't shoot
1:08:47
Speaker 4: well as a young player. That means that that besides
1:08:51
Speaker 4: your shot is the mechanics are incorrect, is that the
1:08:54
Speaker 4: physicality of the defense makes you shoot off balance way
1:08:57
Speaker 4: too much. And also your shot selection is best questionable.
1:09:01
Speaker 4: And that's right now Jeremiah Fears. Right now, he's shooting
1:09:04
Speaker 4: forty two point five from the field and thirty one
1:09:07
Speaker 4: point four from three. Last guy mentioned about is Derek Queen.
1:09:11
Speaker 4: He was picked number thirteen in the draft. All right,
1:09:13
Speaker 4: he's a talented, versatile big guy.
1:09:15
Speaker 3: That's uh.
1:09:16
Speaker 4: He's only missed one game, So Sewan the Pelican young
1:09:19
Speaker 4: fellas once played every single game and the other guy's
1:09:23
Speaker 4: only missed one game. So that tells us that these
1:09:26
Speaker 4: guys enjoy playing, that they have youthful enthusiasm. And with
1:09:30
Speaker 4: Derek Queen right now, he's averaging twelve point two points
1:09:33
Speaker 4: per game seven point three rebounds. And here's the thing
1:09:36
Speaker 4: about him. Sean as a big guy, leads the Pelicans
1:09:39
Speaker 4: and assist. So when's the last time a rookie led
1:09:43
Speaker 4: a team and assist And that's him right now. So
1:09:46
Speaker 4: the Jazz, believe it or not, should should have the
1:09:49
Speaker 4: knockout punch tonight. The Jazz at home should win this
1:09:52
Speaker 4: game tonight. And I don't care who's playing right now.
1:09:54
Speaker 4: The Jazz are the players on the court. They're going
1:09:57
Speaker 4: to try to compete hard and look for the Jazz
1:09:59
Speaker 4: to get a win tonight and adulta center.
1:10:03
Speaker 3: We've talked a little bit about betting on the show today.
1:10:05
Speaker 3: New Orleans is a six and a half point favorite
1:10:08
Speaker 3: at the Delta Center tonight.
1:10:10
Speaker 4: All right, I'm glad I don't bet because I'm I'm
1:10:13
Speaker 4: I'm leaning towards the players, the Jazz players. If I'm
1:10:15
Speaker 4: a Jazz player right now, so let's let's go. Isaia Kallier,
1:10:20
Speaker 4: I am so tired of hearing about this thing for
1:10:24
Speaker 4: next season, you know, building for the future and his
1:10:26
Speaker 4: world right now, get me out there. I want to play.
1:10:29
Speaker 4: And if I'm Ace Bailey, I'm the same way. And
1:10:31
Speaker 4: if I'm Kyle Philipowski. I'm the same. I'm out there
1:10:34
Speaker 4: trying to compete and bright senseerball who's really has having
1:10:38
Speaker 4: an excellent, excellent season as far as off the bench.
1:10:42
Speaker 4: That guy can score. That guy can get twenty points
1:10:44
Speaker 4: in every game he plays, and he's he's a version
1:10:47
Speaker 4: of a Jordan Clarkson and Colin Secon And that's why
1:10:51
Speaker 4: I love his game right now, and I'm saying that
1:10:54
Speaker 4: Jazz should win.
1:10:55
Speaker 3: Shown, Gordy, what's your list today?
1:10:58
Speaker 4: I am a list today, shunt right on cue about injuries.
1:11:04
Speaker 4: So I talked at the other day. I was thinking
1:11:06
Speaker 4: about Jason Tatum and Dashante Murray who's playing tonight for
1:11:14
Speaker 4: on the second game of the season. He's missed the
1:11:16
Speaker 4: last thirteen months with him with his injury, which we're
1:11:20
Speaker 4: going to talk about one second. Here we go, sean
1:11:23
Speaker 4: Notable NBA players to suffer torn achilles? All right, Notable
1:11:29
Speaker 4: NBA players to suffer suffered torn achilles? Why the injury?
1:11:35
Speaker 3: Want?
1:11:35
Speaker 4: Usually speaking, explosive movements, stop and go first, and that
1:11:40
Speaker 4: creates what so much stress on your achilles. High intensity
1:11:44
Speaker 4: shifting where you change direction three so many games meaning
1:11:49
Speaker 4: game frequency four overall lower body fatigue, your body is fatigue,
1:11:56
Speaker 4: and that means you're very susceptible to lower extremity injuries
1:12:00
Speaker 4: and five sudden awkward falling in a game where you
1:12:05
Speaker 4: get it's a bang bang play and you feel your
1:12:08
Speaker 4: doug after the ball and your compromise your body injuries.
1:12:13
Speaker 4: Remember the body heals at different rates for every athlete.
1:12:18
Speaker 4: Usually full recovery and rehab for a person that suffers
1:12:22
Speaker 4: a torn achilles usually is eight months to a year.
1:12:25
Speaker 4: All right, so listen, only fifteen guys. Everyone knows these
1:12:28
Speaker 4: people are and you're gonna say what I forgot about
1:12:31
Speaker 4: this guy having an injury? Here we go quickly. Nineteen
1:12:35
Speaker 4: ninety two, Dominique Wilkins had the achilles ripped achilles at
1:12:38
Speaker 4: age thirty two. Nineteen ninety seven. Lafonso Ellis at age
1:12:42
Speaker 4: twenty six, ripped achilles two thousand and seven. Elton brand
1:12:47
Speaker 4: at age twenty seven. Twenty eleven, remember this one sean
1:12:53
Speaker 4: member O Corps in the first game of the twenty
1:12:57
Speaker 4: ten first round Plague and versus Denver. He ripped his
1:13:00
Speaker 4: achilles at age thirty one Memodo Corps, and he was
1:13:04
Speaker 4: a tremendous player. Twenty twelve, Chncy Bills at age thirty five,
1:13:10
Speaker 4: finished his career. Remember this guy, Seewan twenty thirteen. Kobe
1:13:15
Speaker 4: Bryant ripped the Achilles at age thirty four, twenty fifteen.
1:13:20
Speaker 4: Former jazz Men Wellslie Matthews h. Twenty nine, twenty seventeen,
1:13:26
Speaker 4: former jazz man Rudy Gay age thirty one, twenty eighteen,
1:13:31
Speaker 4: DeMarcus Cousins aged twenty eight two thy nineteen heading to
1:13:36
Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame. Kevin Durant at age thirty one
1:13:39
Speaker 4: had a ripped Achilles twenty and twenty one. Clay Thompson
1:13:46
Speaker 4: at age thirty one ripped the Achilles. And in last
1:13:49
Speaker 4: year these four guys that we all know and they
1:13:53
Speaker 4: affected their franchise. Jason Tatum ripped the Achilles at age
1:13:57
Speaker 4: twenty seven. I mentioned this seconds ago to Shante Murray
1:14:02
Speaker 4: age twenty eight ripped Achilles. Weaber States own Oakland, proud
1:14:06
Speaker 4: Dame Lillard aged thirty four, and this guy affected his
1:14:10
Speaker 4: team being world champions to the ultimate game seven end
1:14:14
Speaker 4: of the first half Hares Halliburton h. Twenty five. So
1:14:21
Speaker 4: rip the Achilles happens often to athletes in the game.
1:14:24
Speaker 4: And Sean, let's go NFL A one time. Remember when
1:14:28
Speaker 4: Dan Marino ripped his achilles back in nineteen ninety three
1:14:32
Speaker 4: and in nineteen ninety four Sewan he won the NFL
1:14:35
Speaker 4: Comeback Player of the Year. So we ripped ther achilles.
1:14:39
Speaker 4: It doesn't mean your your career is over. That means
1:14:41
Speaker 4: what you've got to work hard on your rehab and
1:14:43
Speaker 4: you've got to attack it like it's a full time job.
1:14:47
Speaker 4: And all these guys did, and that's why they're able
1:14:49
Speaker 4: to overcome these injuries and play still at a high level.
1:14:53
Speaker 3: Gordian. It's always a great pleasure to have you here
1:14:56
Speaker 3: in studio, even better than having you on the phone. Hopefully, well,
1:15:00
Speaker 3: I'll get a chance to see at the game tonight.
1:15:01
Speaker 3: My plan is to get there probably about halftime after
1:15:04
Speaker 3: putting the kids to.
1:15:05
Speaker 4: Bed, enjoy and enjoy the game, showing thanks and peace out.
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Speaker 3: the Jazz are signing Mobomba to a ten day contract
1:16:35
Speaker 3: drafted in the top ten because of his length and
1:16:40
Speaker 3: now bouncing around on these types of ten day situations.
1:16:43
Speaker 3: So the Jazz adding Mobomba to a ten day if
1:16:48
Speaker 3: lowry marketen has to be shut down, if use of
1:16:51
Speaker 3: Nurkic he already is shut down. Vince Williams, Jared Jackson Junior.
1:16:57
Speaker 3: I mean, all these guys, it's getting thinner. So the
1:17:00
Speaker 3: Utah Jazz is gonna have to add some depth. They're
1:17:02
Speaker 3: gonna address that with a ten day contract. All right,
1:17:07
Speaker 3: This this might be the most interesting story of the
1:17:10
Speaker 3: day for me, even though it's a college football story.
1:17:14
Speaker 3: So we have seen now the Darien Mensis situation where
1:17:19
Speaker 3: it was school versus player, collective versus player. You sign
1:17:24
Speaker 3: a contract, then you left after you signed the contract,
1:17:27
Speaker 3: and there's some big boy, big girl decisions being made
1:17:31
Speaker 3: by college athletes when it comes to these nil opportunities
1:17:35
Speaker 3: that they have. The curious situation with Texas Tech and
1:17:41
Speaker 3: their quarterback now Brendan Soorsby, Cincinnati filed suit yesterday. They
1:17:47
Speaker 3: are suing Brendan Soresby for failing to pay a one
1:17:50
Speaker 3: million dollar exit fee on his nil contract. Apparently, according
1:17:59
Speaker 3: to the since an auty side of this equation, Brendan
1:18:01
Speaker 3: Soresby had something in his deal, which, by the way,
1:18:05
Speaker 3: is what people should be putting into these deals now
1:18:09
Speaker 3: had a clause in his contract that if he left
1:18:12
Speaker 3: and transferred to another school, he had to pay a
1:18:15
Speaker 3: one million dollar exit fee within thirty days. As far
1:18:20
Speaker 3: as I've been able to assess by reading up on this,
1:18:22
Speaker 3: the Brendan Soresby side of this argument is uh nah.
1:18:31
Speaker 3: He and his agent, he and his attorneys, maybe he
1:18:33
Speaker 3: in Texas Tech don't think that this is actually enforceable,
1:18:38
Speaker 3: and so they're just saying I'm not going to pay it.
1:18:43
Speaker 3: It will become far more common practice for these individuals
1:18:49
Speaker 3: to have to make decisions on what kind of out,
1:18:52
Speaker 3: what kind of buyout, they're going to have to pay
1:18:56
Speaker 3: in college football because collectives and schools and advertisers are
1:19:02
Speaker 3: they're going to have to react to the wild wild West.
1:19:05
Speaker 3: It's already happened. It's already happening. We saw the Washington
1:19:10
Speaker 3: situation get sorted out. We saw the Darien Mensa Duke
1:19:15
Speaker 3: Miami situation get sorted out, although I think in a
1:19:18
Speaker 3: much more complicated way. And now Brendan soarsby Big twelve
1:19:24
Speaker 3: quarterback Big twelve. He's going to be the preseason first
1:19:28
Speaker 3: team All Conference Quarterbacks spoiler alert next year as a
1:19:33
Speaker 3: returning starter, but just at a different school. He is
1:19:38
Speaker 3: supposed to pay Cincinnati, according to Cincinnati, one million dollars
1:19:44
Speaker 3: in order to get out of his nil contract at Cincinnati.
1:19:48
Speaker 3: His alleged deal with Texas Tech has been reported at
1:19:52
Speaker 3: as low as four million dollars as high as six
1:19:54
Speaker 3: million dollars. Where have we heard this before? You os
1:19:58
Speaker 3: one million dollars for leaving lawsuit? I mean all over
1:20:03
Speaker 3: the place with this. You gotta put it. You have
1:20:05
Speaker 3: to put it in now. I like, I don't know,
1:20:09
Speaker 3: I don't know what the contracts look like for the
1:20:12
Speaker 3: University of Utah. That is actually one of the things
1:20:14
Speaker 3: that I really really want to get get in on
1:20:17
Speaker 3: as soon as we talk with the new GM and
1:20:19
Speaker 3: we can kind of like at springball, maybe see some
1:20:22
Speaker 3: people hopefully, Buddy, Buddy. One thing I'm very very curious
1:20:26
Speaker 3: about is what do those out clauses look like for
1:20:32
Speaker 3: a University of Utah. Now, they're always going to be commensurate.
1:20:36
Speaker 3: Buyouts are always commensurate with salary. Right when you're a
1:20:41
Speaker 3: highly paid, highly compensated like Kirby Smart highest paid, one
1:20:45
Speaker 3: of the highest paid coaches in college football. I think
1:20:48
Speaker 3: last year he had the highest buyout. It was like
1:20:51
Speaker 3: he had to pay sixty eight million dollars or something
1:20:53
Speaker 3: to get Kirby Smart out of Georgia. Obviously, that's nobody's
1:20:57
Speaker 3: interested in doing that. Right now. I believe Kurt Signetti's
1:21:02
Speaker 3: contract now has escalated him to the highest paid average
1:21:06
Speaker 3: annual value coach in all of college football. I think
1:21:09
Speaker 3: he's making thirteen point four million dollars to be the
1:21:12
Speaker 3: head coach of Indiana right I'm sure his buyout is
1:21:16
Speaker 3: something that's absolutely absurd. So your buyout is always going
1:21:21
Speaker 3: to be some fraction of your pay. If you're not
1:21:26
Speaker 3: paying as much as Texas Tech is, which I don't
1:21:29
Speaker 3: think Utah is in most positions, your buyout is probably
1:21:31
Speaker 3: not going to be as high. I think though, your
1:21:33
Speaker 3: buyouts are probably going to be on par with what
1:21:35
Speaker 3: Cincinnatis were. Like, I kept asking the question, how did
1:21:43
Speaker 3: you get Devin Dan Pierre and Bird Fickland to stay
1:21:46
Speaker 3: at the University of Utah. Now I know Bird Fickland
1:21:49
Speaker 3: was not making a ton of money last year. He
1:21:53
Speaker 3: was barely making any money last year. It's crazy how
1:21:56
Speaker 3: low that was relatively what you would relative to what
1:22:01
Speaker 3: his production was. Ten touchdowns for that price Heck, yeah,
1:22:08
Speaker 3: now you got a significant raise. You got a significant round,
1:22:13
Speaker 3: well deserved right in the new landscape of college football.
1:22:17
Speaker 3: It's absolutely on par with what he should be making.
1:22:20
Speaker 3: And I think the same is true of Devin Dampierre,
1:22:22
Speaker 3: who came at a relative discount last year. But I
1:22:27
Speaker 3: was asking, like, how did you get both of these
1:22:29
Speaker 3: guys to stay? I don't know if there was a
1:22:31
Speaker 3: buy out in Devin's contract. I don't know, because I
1:22:33
Speaker 3: know Arizona State was very, very interested in him, especially
1:22:37
Speaker 3: after they lost Sam Levitt and after things didn't look
1:22:40
Speaker 3: like they were going all that swimmingly in terms of
1:22:44
Speaker 3: replacing Levitt. That's a home state school too. They probably
1:22:47
Speaker 3: felt like we have a bit of an advantage here.
1:22:49
Speaker 3: They got his coach on their staff, his high school
1:22:53
Speaker 3: coach on their staff. They probably felt like they had
1:22:55
Speaker 3: a good advantage in the run there, and he ends
1:22:58
Speaker 3: up staying here. Now, when we get a chance to
1:23:00
Speaker 3: talk to Devin next, I think we'll I mean, I'll
1:23:03
Speaker 3: ask him about that and maybe we'll get some insight
1:23:05
Speaker 3: onto how serious that process got. But maybe there is
1:23:09
Speaker 3: a buyout in his Utah clause that he didn't want
1:23:12
Speaker 3: to pay. I don't know. I hope there was if
1:23:15
Speaker 3: I'm being honest, like I want a guy to stay
1:23:17
Speaker 3: because he wants to stay. But also the like a
1:23:21
Speaker 3: good business practice now in the modern landscape is you
1:23:24
Speaker 3: just better put these things in. You have to protect yourself,
1:23:28
Speaker 3: you have to recoup some kind of loss. And I
1:23:31
Speaker 3: know you're probably thinking the same thing that I think. Well,
1:23:35
Speaker 3: I can't get a million dollars to throw a touchdown
1:23:38
Speaker 3: pass for me. But the point is you can hopefully
1:23:42
Speaker 3: translate that million dollars into a body that actually can
1:23:46
Speaker 3: You can entice some kind of transfer because you have
1:23:51
Speaker 3: a little bit more money because you are being compensated
1:23:53
Speaker 3: for your loss. And by the way, this is general
1:23:57
Speaker 3: practice in NFL, Major League Baseball, NBA. When you lose bodies,
1:24:05
Speaker 3: you get something back that helps you fill in the blanks,
1:24:10
Speaker 3: that helps you backfill for those bodies. It's not ever
1:24:13
Speaker 3: an apples to apples thing, but like when you lose somebody, retirement,
1:24:18
Speaker 3: ir whatever, there is compensatory picks, things like that, there's
1:24:24
Speaker 3: special salary exceptions whatever. In the NHL, especially so Brendan Soresby,
1:24:34
Speaker 3: Oh's Cincinnati one million dollars for his exit fee. The
1:24:39
Speaker 3: other thing about this that I question if he ever
1:24:42
Speaker 3: has to pay it, and we probably won't get the
1:24:46
Speaker 3: real answer here, but if he ends up a court
1:24:50
Speaker 3: rules you have to pay this one million dollar exit fee,
1:24:54
Speaker 3: is Brendan Soresby actually writing that check? Like, is it
1:25:01
Speaker 3: actually going to be oh Man, who I have a
1:25:05
Speaker 3: four million dollar deal and now I lose twenty five
1:25:09
Speaker 3: percent of that to my exit fea at Cincinnati? Or
1:25:12
Speaker 3: does Cody Campbell come in and just be like, you
1:25:15
Speaker 3: know what, I didn't want to have to pay five
1:25:19
Speaker 3: million dollars for you, but I'm not gonna make you
1:25:21
Speaker 3: do it. You're just getting started in life. Yeah, and
1:25:23
Speaker 3: I made a million dollars an interest in the last
1:25:25
Speaker 3: twelve minutes, So there you go. Yeah. I was gonna
1:25:29
Speaker 3: say who's in who's in Source Bees? And I was
1:25:34
Speaker 3: I was discounting the Texas Tech, But who's in his
1:25:38
Speaker 3: personal corner that can? I was like, is his agent
1:25:40
Speaker 3: gonna pay that? If it's not him? No, like the
1:25:43
Speaker 3: Texas Tech big donor probably pre agent ain't gonna pay it, right.
1:25:46
Speaker 3: I Mean it's kind of like like these civil suits
1:25:49
Speaker 3: that come against players, these uh fines that players have
1:25:53
Speaker 3: to pay, Like Georgia all their players. It's a rite
1:25:56
Speaker 3: a passage apparently at Georgia, where you have to be
1:25:59
Speaker 3: a reckless drive and you have to wreck a car,
1:26:02
Speaker 3: and they have a real problem with that down at Georgia.
1:26:06
Speaker 3: I would be willing to wager a massive amount of
1:26:10
Speaker 3: money if I could access a massive amount of money.
1:26:12
Speaker 3: But you get the point. I would wager a lot.
1:26:15
Speaker 3: It's probably on. It's probably on one of these prediction markets.
1:26:18
Speaker 3: Will there be a reckless driver situation with the Georgia
1:26:22
Speaker 3: football player this year? Yes, those guys aren't paying their
1:26:25
Speaker 3: traffic fines right. This is one of those situations where
1:26:28
Speaker 3: either Kirby Smart makes a phone call to the police
1:26:31
Speaker 3: department or to the traffic school or to whoever and says, hey,
1:26:35
Speaker 3: could you wash this thing out? Or Kirby Smart probably
1:26:39
Speaker 3: not Kirby Smart, but his DFO makes a phone call
1:26:43
Speaker 3: to some wealthy donor and says, hey, so and so
1:26:47
Speaker 3: is a real idiot and has a thousand dollars fine
1:26:50
Speaker 3: he needs to pay. Could you take care of I mean,
1:26:52
Speaker 3: it's it's gonna be fascinating to see how it works out. Now,
1:26:56
Speaker 3: A million dollars is a lot bigger ask than telling
1:26:59
Speaker 3: some boost or to get rid of your traffic fines
1:27:02
Speaker 3: and your parking tickets. But I'm very curious to see
1:27:06
Speaker 3: how schools handle it. Both your old school with Cincinnati
1:27:10
Speaker 3: now suing, and thank goodness for Washington for stepping out
1:27:14
Speaker 3: first and trying to challenge these things. Wouldn't it be great?
1:27:19
Speaker 3: Oh see if everyone just decided, now we're gonna, we're gonna,
1:27:24
Speaker 3: especially now that these guys are getting paid, now we're
1:27:28
Speaker 3: gonna we're gonna make them be responsible. I would love that.
1:27:31
Speaker 3: I would love if incredible. Like the better thing would
1:27:34
Speaker 3: be for Cody Campbell to be like, we, Paige, you four,
1:27:37
Speaker 3: are you get a net three? Yeah? Man? Like I
1:27:40
Speaker 3: guess you should have planned for that best. I guess
1:27:43
Speaker 3: you shouldn't negotiate. I mean, the reports are four to six,
1:27:46
Speaker 3: so whether it's four or it's five or at six,
1:27:48
Speaker 3: but like if you wanted to keep all four, five
1:27:51
Speaker 3: or six of that, maybe you didn't tell us about
1:27:55
Speaker 3: this exit fee. It's not my thing, man, And and
1:27:58
Speaker 3: maybe there that will be the response. Or maybe it's
1:28:01
Speaker 3: four to six because they're like, we don't know what
1:28:03
Speaker 3: we've been told there's an exit fee. We don't know
1:28:05
Speaker 3: what that is, well, we'll tack on another million if
1:28:08
Speaker 3: it's If that's the case, who knows. I just we're
1:28:13
Speaker 3: now in this brave new world of throwing very adult
1:28:18
Speaker 3: decisions on the plate of these individual players, and we're
1:28:23
Speaker 3: paying them big time money. Like I wouldn't even call
1:28:26
Speaker 3: it a quarterback. I won't even call it grown up
1:28:28
Speaker 3: money because most grown ups never see this kind of
1:28:30
Speaker 3: money in their lives. We're paying them professional athletes money,
1:28:34
Speaker 3: big league money, and like the NFL doesn't pay your
1:28:39
Speaker 3: fine for you if you're in the NFL.
1:28:42
Speaker 5: No.
1:28:42
Speaker 3: But the other thing about this is as as I'm
1:28:46
Speaker 3: thinking of this, as we're talking about as we're talking
1:28:49
Speaker 3: about this in real time, hero see when coaches change
1:28:54
Speaker 3: and there's a buy out the school, I mean general
1:28:58
Speaker 3: practices that the school pays the school acquiring the coach
1:29:05
Speaker 3: pays that buyout. Now, I'll tell you there's a school
1:29:10
Speaker 3: here close to us that that wasn't the case in
1:29:14
Speaker 3: recent years. I'll just leave that there. But generally they
1:29:19
Speaker 3: say the school, like Mark Pope going to Kentucky, Kentucky
1:29:22
Speaker 3: paid the buy his buyout so that he could be
1:29:27
Speaker 3: so that he could go be the coach of Kentucky.
1:29:29
Speaker 3: So that being said, I don't maybe maybe it shouldn't
1:29:34
Speaker 3: be on the player in this case. Like maybe if
1:29:37
Speaker 3: if you want to take if you want me, then
1:29:41
Speaker 3: just like you want when you bring in a new
1:29:43
Speaker 3: coach and you pay for them to be able to
1:29:45
Speaker 3: come here, you need to pay for me to be
1:29:46
Speaker 3: able to come here. Maybe that's not the worst thing either.
1:29:51
Speaker 3: We're going to see how this all plays out. And honestly,
1:29:54
Speaker 3: like when we're talking about these blue blood programs or
1:29:57
Speaker 3: these programs that have blue blood money like Texas Tech
1:30:00
Speaker 3: does and like BYU has shown to have, it's probably
1:30:04
Speaker 3: just a line item on the balance sheet, you know.
1:30:07
Speaker 3: It's probably just something that you have to It's a
1:30:09
Speaker 3: cost you have to account for. Now when you're making
1:30:12
Speaker 3: these negotiations and you're doing this thing. If your Oregon
1:30:16
Speaker 3: and you're trying to buy Phil Knight a championship before
1:30:19
Speaker 3: he passes away, you're like, oh, you got a million
1:30:22
Speaker 3: dollar buyout. Okay, fine, we'll pay the million dollar buyout.
1:30:27
Speaker 3: At some point. For most programs it does run out.
1:30:32
Speaker 3: But the hill you're gonna die on is not You're
1:30:34
Speaker 3: starting quarterback necessarily, So I don't know if we'll get
1:30:41
Speaker 3: a bunch of insight on how this thing plays out.
1:30:43
Speaker 3: But I hope we do because I want to know
1:30:45
Speaker 3: if Brendan Sorosby has to pay the money, or if
1:30:47
Speaker 3: Texas Tech pays the money for him, or if no
1:30:50
Speaker 3: one ends up having to pay this money at all. Yeah,
1:30:52
Speaker 3: is this just gonna be a lot of smoke and
1:30:54
Speaker 3: nothing actually happens. That tends to happen too. Every year
1:30:59
Speaker 3: you get rule changes after coaches meetings, competition committee meetings,
1:31:05
Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. In the NC Double A world
1:31:08
Speaker 3: in college football, the NC Double A is finally finally
1:31:13
Speaker 3: solving the problem that we have all worried most about
1:31:18
Speaker 3: in college football. They're finally doing something to address our
1:31:21
Speaker 3: number one concern as fans. You're probably sitting in your
1:31:25
Speaker 3: car right now being like, oh, they're changing the targeting rule, Well,
1:31:29
Speaker 3: maybe something with efficient. They're putting pylon cams on every broadcast,
1:31:33
Speaker 3: not just the SEC broadcast. No, it's not that. It's
1:31:37
Speaker 3: not that, and no uniformity yet on targeting and whether
1:31:42
Speaker 3: or not they're going to remove the suspension, the ensuing
1:31:44
Speaker 3: game suspension from targeting. I was actually talking about. I
1:31:49
Speaker 3: was actually talking about our number one concern, and that
1:31:52
Speaker 3: is players showing too much skin on their legs. Oh
1:31:56
Speaker 3: oh yeah, absolutely, I've been outraged about that. Actually, now
1:32:01
Speaker 3: Deon Sanders cares a lot about this. Remember how many
1:32:04
Speaker 3: times he just got we got guys wearing bicker shorts
1:32:07
Speaker 3: like Dion. Can we talk about anything else, please, We
1:32:11
Speaker 3: really don't care about this. But this is in response
1:32:14
Speaker 3: to to credit Don. This is in response to the
1:32:17
Speaker 3: fact that especially punters kickers DB's, they're wearing short shorts.
1:32:24
Speaker 3: They're putting no pads in their pants, and they are
1:32:28
Speaker 3: wearing the smallest size possible, and then they they cut
1:32:31
Speaker 3: the bottom seam so that it can ride all the
1:32:34
Speaker 3: way up to like mid thigh. They're just spandex shorts
1:32:37
Speaker 3: at that point. Well, the NCAA is going to put
1:32:41
Speaker 3: a rule in for this year where, like the NFL,
1:32:45
Speaker 3: you have to be covered by sock and pant. Everything
1:32:49
Speaker 3: below your waist is fabric. I see, it's been so
1:32:54
Speaker 3: ubiquitous at this point that I didn't I didn't even
1:32:57
Speaker 3: realize that was required in the NFL. It's just like
1:33:00
Speaker 3: we just so used to it that it doesn't even
1:33:03
Speaker 3: stand out. Yeah, you don't even NFL versus college yeah,
1:33:06
Speaker 3: you don't even think about it, but you never see
1:33:08
Speaker 3: people's calves in the NFL. We're going amish in NC
1:33:12
Speaker 3: DOUBLEA football. Don't show those ankles, you Trollope, put it away. Cover,
1:33:19
Speaker 3: cover that skin. Don't tempt our eyes, you college football
1:33:23
Speaker 3: players with the ankle and calf muscle. And you bet
1:33:27
Speaker 3: I'd better not see your kneecaps. Okay, I bust some
1:33:31
Speaker 3: kneecaps if I've seen that is an honor code violation.
1:33:33
Speaker 3: Now not just to b YU, but for everybody. Ncuble
1:33:40
Speaker 3: A mandating the high sock long pant. I mean, this
1:33:46
Speaker 3: is just this is just another example of the uh
1:33:50
Speaker 3: college football becoming the NFL just the pro The pro
1:33:55
Speaker 3: model of college football is another example of it. OC.
1:33:59
Speaker 3: You know what's actually kind of weird is like we're
1:34:02
Speaker 3: watching the NFL scouting combine. They're gonna start running drills
1:34:05
Speaker 3: here in like eleven minutes, and so they're showing a
1:34:07
Speaker 3: bunch of highlights of guys. And I never realized again
1:34:12
Speaker 3: because it's just something I don't really notice. You don't
1:34:16
Speaker 3: notice how different it looks than the NFL, where like
1:34:21
Speaker 3: in the NFL, uniform rules are that your skin doesn't
1:34:27
Speaker 3: show Yeah, it's uniform. It's uniform, and it's not in
1:34:31
Speaker 3: college football. So we're watching these highlights and I'm just like,
1:34:33
Speaker 3: there's like, there's twenty five percent of players. Maybe they
1:34:37
Speaker 3: cover their entire leg Jeremiah Love highlight, He's fully covered
1:34:42
Speaker 3: the Indiana player behind him trying to catch him. From
1:34:47
Speaker 3: last year's college football playoff game. I'm guessing not this
1:34:51
Speaker 3: past one. Not legs uncovered. But look freeze frame of
1:34:57
Speaker 3: Jeremiah Love in his mock drafts, his Boka shorts and
1:35:01
Speaker 3: I'm seeing biker shorts. I could see both knees and
1:35:03
Speaker 3: the bottom of those quadriceps muscles. Unacceptable, Jeremiah. No love
1:35:08
Speaker 3: for you, Jeremiah. I don't like that. Uh. I think
1:35:12
Speaker 3: I have made it clear, and this probably doesn't have
1:35:15
Speaker 3: to be a daily dumb story, but I think I've
1:35:17
Speaker 3: made it clear over the years that I am absolutely
1:35:20
Speaker 3: I'm a Nike guy, right. I love me some Nike.
1:35:23
Speaker 3: I thought you were gonna make another official Chan O'Connell
1:35:26
Speaker 3: Show's stance about the whether not legs or should be shown.
1:35:31
Speaker 3: The official Sean O'Connell Show's stance on legs is that
1:35:35
Speaker 3: we like legs like we like for people to have them.
1:35:38
Speaker 3: We like for people to be able to use them
1:35:40
Speaker 3: to run, jump, walk, amble, dance, whatever. If you want
1:35:45
Speaker 3: to show me some leg that's fine. I don't. I
1:35:48
Speaker 3: don't worry about the biker shorts. It doesn't. It has
1:35:51
Speaker 3: never once detracted from my college football viewing experience when
1:35:57
Speaker 3: someone has short shorts on. If anything, I'd like to
1:36:00
Speaker 3: laugh at the kickers when they come out wearing their
1:36:02
Speaker 3: short shorts. It's like, why what are you trying to
1:36:05
Speaker 3: show off there, buddy, you and your two hundred and
1:36:09
Speaker 3: twenty five pounds squat. I'm not impressed. So we are
1:36:12
Speaker 3: We're for We're pro do whatever you want with your legs.
1:36:18
Speaker 3: Yes on, in college football, you can uncover them. You
1:36:21
Speaker 3: can cover them, but that is now a moot point
1:36:24
Speaker 3: because the NCAA is gonna make it so you have
1:36:27
Speaker 3: to cover them. Fine, look at the the Notre Dame
1:36:32
Speaker 3: quarterback CJ. Carr. He had one leg covered in one
1:36:36
Speaker 3: leg not covered. He's half conforming to the rule. What
1:36:39
Speaker 3: are we doing here? Sorry? I interrupted your Nike point.
1:36:44
Speaker 3: You are unequivocally a Nike guy who's but you know what,
1:36:47
Speaker 3: I'm airing a premature agreements with Nike. Here, what have
1:36:52
Speaker 3: you done, Nike? There's an undersupply. There's a shortage on
1:36:57
Speaker 3: Team USA official Olympic hockey. Of course, many many people
1:37:05
Speaker 3: where like, I'm gonna go get me a huge jersey.
1:37:08
Speaker 3: I need that Hella Buck Team USA sweater Presidential Medal
1:37:13
Speaker 3: of Freedom. Yep, I want that. A lot of Utah
1:37:18
Speaker 3: Mammoth fans already have the Keller Mammoth sweater, probably home
1:37:22
Speaker 3: and away. Well guess what I got bad news for you.
1:37:29
Speaker 3: Nike underproduced their official sweaters. And this is something called
1:37:34
Speaker 3: a hot market, where the typical practice is they make
1:37:38
Speaker 3: a certain stock and then they just stop making it.
1:37:42
Speaker 3: They don't relaunch, rerelease now. Of course, Nike will respond
1:37:45
Speaker 3: to demand if you get enough sternly worded emails or whatever.
1:37:49
Speaker 3: But and this is where it really hurts. You know
1:37:56
Speaker 3: how you know how many Team USA jerseys they made
1:38:00
Speaker 3: relative to Team Canada jerseys? Ooh, way less half oh?
1:38:06
Speaker 3: Because Nike anticipated that Team Canada would win the gold medal.
1:38:15
Speaker 3: And that I'm sorry, Nike, I thought you were an
1:38:18
Speaker 3: American company. Phil Knight from Oregon allegedly probably from BC.
1:38:25
Speaker 3: Actually he might be one of those Pacific Northwesterns who's
1:38:28
Speaker 3: just like, oh yeah, you know, hey, Vancouver Island as
1:38:34
Speaker 3: a little Irish, I think that's actually the East coast
1:38:37
Speaker 3: of Canada, Nova Scotia and whatnot. But this is upsetting.
1:38:42
Speaker 3: This is and you know it's even more upsetting than this,
1:38:45
Speaker 3: the fact that they admitted the reason say, hey, sorry, guys,
1:38:49
Speaker 3: we have an undersupply of Team USA jerseys because there
1:38:52
Speaker 3: were supplying chain issues. COVID gave everybody an open excuse
1:38:58
Speaker 3: to always use supply chain issues as like a vague
1:39:00
Speaker 3: explanation why you are failing in your duties as a
1:39:04
Speaker 3: manufacturer or why you are overcharging as a manufacturer. Supply
1:39:08
Speaker 3: chain is the catch all term. And Nike could have
1:39:11
Speaker 3: just said, oh, sorry, guys, we're laid on these sweaters
1:39:15
Speaker 3: supply chain, and all of us would have just been like,
1:39:17
Speaker 3: come on, but all right, I'll still order. It'll get
1:39:20
Speaker 3: here in six weeks. Somebody at Nike had the lack
1:39:25
Speaker 3: of foresight, the audacity. Maybe maybe they did a purpose,
1:39:28
Speaker 3: Maybe they're a Canadian double agent working for Nike, and
1:39:31
Speaker 3: they're just like, oh, yeah, sorry, we didn't make a
1:39:32
Speaker 3: bunch of Team USA sweaters because we thought Canada was
1:39:35
Speaker 3: gonna win. Well, they didn't. Are you saying? Are you
1:39:40
Speaker 3: saying a mounting undercover at Nike? Hard? It would be
1:39:45
Speaker 3: to be a mounty undercover. Hey, sir, why are you wearing?
1:39:48
Speaker 3: Why are you riding that horse? What do you mean?
1:39:52
Speaker 3: We don't typically bring horses to the drug deals? Are
1:39:56
Speaker 3: you an undercover cop? Oh? Nice, it gives you an
1:40:00
Speaker 3: appreciate I like a horse. I'm on a horse. We
1:40:04
Speaker 3: don't typically nobody typically rides a horse to the meet
1:40:09
Speaker 3: with the shady, unmarked vans where they're smuggling illegal guns.
1:40:15
Speaker 3: I don't remember seeing that on the wire. Why why
1:40:17
Speaker 3: are you riding a horse to this meeting? No reason
1:40:20
Speaker 3: in particular? Sorry? Sorry, have yourself? Are you an undercover mounty?
1:40:28
Speaker 3: Could be the case? Could be the case at Nike
1:40:31
Speaker 3: and embedded at Nike? Why are you wearing that that
1:40:35
Speaker 3: cowboy hat looking thing? Life? I would have said, I
1:40:40
Speaker 3: thought I would have thought I would ever say, Hey,
1:40:42
Speaker 3: you know what, maybe it would have been better if
1:40:43
Speaker 3: fanatics handled this than Nike. Fanatics has been awful. But
1:40:52
Speaker 3: there's not an undersupply of any NHL sweater right now,
1:40:56
Speaker 3: Team USA, when the whole country wants to celebrate this. Yes,
1:41:02
Speaker 3: Nike's like, oh, sorry, we thought it was going to
1:41:05
Speaker 3: be Canada winning the gold medal. I am going to
1:41:09
Speaker 3: love seeing all of those stupid black maple leaf jerseys
1:41:17
Speaker 3: on extra super closeout sale because nobody wants them because
1:41:21
Speaker 3: they won the silver Yeah, the silver medalist jerseys. You stink.
1:41:27
Speaker 3: I don't like it. You failed us, Nike. Why we've
1:41:33
Speaker 3: given you so much support over the years we have,
1:41:37
Speaker 3: we have paid exorbitant prices for your sneakers. You let
1:41:43
Speaker 3: you somehow let us be convinced that you were good
1:41:46
Speaker 3: at manufacturing cold weather gear, even though all of us,
1:41:48
Speaker 3: in our heart of hearts, knew that we should just
1:41:51
Speaker 3: go with like an actual ski jacket, but got the
1:41:55
Speaker 3: Nike one instead because we like your stuff. The swoos
1:41:59
Speaker 3: is cool. And this is how you repay us by
1:42:06
Speaker 3: betting on Team Canada to win the gold medal with
1:42:08
Speaker 3: your supply chain. How dare you I rebuke you? Shame
1:42:14
Speaker 3: on you, Nike hockey sweater supply buyer. You've been rebuked.
1:42:23
Speaker 3: You're devastated right now. By the way, uh, you open
1:42:27
Speaker 3: the we opened the show you were talking about. You
1:42:30
Speaker 3: mentioned the mammoth loss and all the way too many
1:42:34
Speaker 3: Colorado Avalanche fans in Salt Lake City and beyond are
1:42:40
Speaker 3: those are those? Are those fans anti American? There's no
1:42:44
Speaker 3: Canadian teams on the Mammoth. There're no Canadian players on
1:42:47
Speaker 3: the Mammoth, at least not on the national team. Not yet.
1:42:51
Speaker 3: They're not they're not on the national team. I mean,
1:42:53
Speaker 3: I don't know this year you're still going to be
1:42:56
Speaker 3: an ABS fan when when they're When as two best
1:42:59
Speaker 3: players are silver medalists for Canada, what does that say
1:43:05
Speaker 3: about your patriotism? AVS fans? If you were wearing Utah area,
1:43:09
Speaker 3: if you're wearing a McKinnon sweater at the Delta Center
1:43:12
Speaker 3: last night, rebuked, Okay, yeah, you should you shop soft rebuke, Ye,
1:43:18
Speaker 3: you should have. Also, did that sweater come with the
1:43:22
Speaker 3: the uh turn inside out yogurt silver showing yogurt can
1:43:29
Speaker 3: label like in the office Olympics? Did that? Did it
1:43:32
Speaker 3: come with that? You should be required to wear that?
1:43:35
Speaker 3: When you I will say, if you were wearing an
1:43:37
Speaker 3: AVS sweater, that was a brock Nelson sweater, it's a
1:43:41
Speaker 3: net neutral. Yeah, okay, and you know what, you know what,
1:43:45
Speaker 3: maybe I needed a little just quick rebuke here. Maybe
1:43:48
Speaker 3: those AVS fans need to respond by saying no, I'm
1:43:51
Speaker 3: a brock Nelson fan. All right, fine, that's fair. Three
1:43:56
Speaker 3: third generation gold medalists. I don't we're gonna talk about
1:44:03
Speaker 3: this with Tom Callahan. But four to two victory for
1:44:07
Speaker 3: the Colorado Avalanche at the Delta Center last night, and
1:44:11
Speaker 3: the most disappointing thing about it, I'm not not overreacting here,
1:44:17
Speaker 3: but the most disappointing thing about it is that you know,
1:44:20
Speaker 3: they Avalanche were missing the guy who's sells the most
1:44:24
Speaker 3: sweaters for them most of Locked on the Utah Mammoth
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Speaker 3: joins us next to talk a little hockey, Tom Callahan
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Speaker 3: in three minutes on The Sean O'Connell Show, ESPN seven
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Speaker 3: ninety two.
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Speaker 1: This is the Sean O'Connell Show. You were home of
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Speaker 1: the best inside of your utes. Let's get back to
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Speaker 1: oc from the Murdoch Chevrolet studio of the ESPN seven
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Speaker 1: nine m.
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Speaker 3: Sean O'Connell Show continues here. Welcome to our number three
1:45:07
Speaker 3: on a Thursday. Let's welcome in Tom Callahan, host of
1:45:11
Speaker 3: the Lockdown Mammoth podcast, Utah Mammoth and hockey insider friend
1:45:15
Speaker 3: of the program, Tom, welcome back. How are you, sir?
1:45:19
Speaker 5: I'm doing well, thanks for having me back on I
1:45:21
Speaker 5: apologize for missing you a couple of days ago, so
1:45:23
Speaker 5: I'm happy to be back and chat a little hockey.
1:45:26
Speaker 3: Well, it's great because now we get to extend our
1:45:29
Speaker 3: conversation about a US Team USA gold medal into you know, Thursday,
1:45:34
Speaker 3: instead of just having to burn all through all of
1:45:36
Speaker 3: it on a Monday or Tuesday. We'll get to the
1:45:38
Speaker 3: Mammoth here in just a second. But every time I
1:45:41
Speaker 3: think about it, I was at the Mammoth game last
1:45:43
Speaker 3: night I was talking about with some people. It's just
1:45:46
Speaker 3: it's such a wonderful thing to see this all come
1:45:49
Speaker 3: to fruition for Team USA in the same kind of
1:45:53
Speaker 3: like timeline cycle that we're now an NHL market, right,
1:45:57
Speaker 3: this is the first Winter Olympics since we had an
1:45:59
Speaker 3: NAH team. Obviously we had one of our own guys,
1:46:02
Speaker 3: Clayton Keller on Team USA, even though we didn't playing
1:46:05
Speaker 3: that gold medal game. Seeing him have that hung around
1:46:08
Speaker 3: his neck and seeing how it came together for Team
1:46:11
Speaker 3: USA just just an incredible moment for the sport in
1:46:15
Speaker 3: our country. And I just wanted to get your general
1:46:17
Speaker 3: thoughts on what it could be moving forward.
1:46:20
Speaker 5: Well, I can tell you I mean, oh see, not
1:46:22
Speaker 5: to date myself, but I will, and that's fine. I
1:46:25
Speaker 5: started playing hockey in nineteen eighty one, right after the
1:46:29
Speaker 5: nineteen eighty Olympic gold medal, and I can tell you
1:46:33
Speaker 5: for all the kids of my age and my generation
1:46:35
Speaker 5: putting on the skates back then, it was very fresh
1:46:38
Speaker 5: in our minds, and you know we we were certainly
1:46:42
Speaker 5: too young to understand the gravity of it, especially in
1:46:44
Speaker 5: the context of the seventies and the decade that preceded it.
1:46:47
Speaker 5: But you know, you look at now, it's going to
1:46:51
Speaker 5: have the same effect on a lot of kids here
1:46:53
Speaker 5: in the United States, and the same thing with the
1:46:55
Speaker 5: state of Utah. Plus you've got now a hometown hero
1:47:00
Speaker 5: from the Mammoth who brought home a gold medal. And
1:47:04
Speaker 5: the extra special contact here is that eight years from now,
1:47:07
Speaker 5: we're going to do it in town, have the Olympics
1:47:10
Speaker 5: right there, and hopefully by that not only as Keller
1:47:13
Speaker 5: on the team, but Logan Cooley as well. So there's
1:47:16
Speaker 5: so much just you know, great things, And when your
1:47:20
Speaker 5: country wins a metal like that, especially the US, it
1:47:23
Speaker 5: takes a leak forward for your programs. The world Juniors
1:47:26
Speaker 5: have been very heavily dominated recently by the United States.
1:47:31
Speaker 5: They've had some really good showings and I think that
1:47:34
Speaker 5: that has now started to propagate itself into the the
1:47:39
Speaker 5: you know, basically professional ranks and then the world tournaments
1:47:43
Speaker 5: for the men's side. So it's great to see, and
1:47:46
Speaker 5: of course the women's program is just absolutely dominant.
1:47:50
Speaker 3: Really cool to see both men and women get the
1:47:53
Speaker 3: gold medals together. And you know, even after like some
1:47:57
Speaker 3: maybe miscommunication with leadership, etc. Etc. Like in this last week,
1:48:03
Speaker 3: the support that the men have offered the women and
1:48:05
Speaker 3: the women have offered the men. Clearly hockey culture is
1:48:09
Speaker 3: alive and thriving, especially at that level in the United
1:48:12
Speaker 3: States of America, and.
1:48:15
Speaker 5: The game is growing, right, I mean it's growing in
1:48:17
Speaker 5: all these places that you know, twenty thirty years ago,
1:48:20
Speaker 5: skeptics said it's not going to work there. How's Nashville, Dallas, Miami,
1:48:24
Speaker 5: Tampa Bay, those both places aren't going to work, and
1:48:28
Speaker 5: they have and it's grown the game even more. And
1:48:31
Speaker 5: now we're seeing look at the players coming out of Arizona.
1:48:33
Speaker 5: I mean, the Coyotes did a tremendous job. I mean
1:48:38
Speaker 5: not talking about the results on the ice, but I
1:48:41
Speaker 5: mean off the ice in that Phoenix area community building rinks,
1:48:45
Speaker 5: getting kids playing youth programs. You know you spawn in
1:48:50
Speaker 5: Austin Matthews. You know you spawn a bunch of kids
1:48:53
Speaker 5: who now and look up to these players on their
1:48:57
Speaker 5: way up. So you know, it's it's all across the
1:49:01
Speaker 5: country now, and this brings even more notice to it.
1:49:05
Speaker 5: People that probably didn't pay any attention to hockey whatsoever
1:49:09
Speaker 5: before now at least might have tuned in or at
1:49:12
Speaker 5: least art of a gold medal game, and maybe it
1:49:14
Speaker 5: inspires somebody somewhere to put on the skates, pick up
1:49:17
Speaker 5: a stick and give it a shot.
1:49:20
Speaker 3: All right, let's focus in on the Utah Mammoth here
1:49:23
Speaker 3: for a second. Because you got a bronze medalist on
1:49:26
Speaker 3: the team, you have a gold medalist on the team.
1:49:29
Speaker 3: Those guys were turning back to action with everyone else
1:49:32
Speaker 3: in the Colorado Avalanche in town last night, who are
1:49:35
Speaker 3: without a couple of guys for the same reason that
1:49:39
Speaker 3: other teams around the NHL are, because they're giving some
1:49:41
Speaker 3: time off to reintegrate after the NHL, especially the gold
1:49:46
Speaker 3: excuse me, after the Olympics, especially that gold medal game
1:49:49
Speaker 3: four to two results last night. But more importantly, did
1:49:54
Speaker 3: the team play the way you thought they would play Colorado.
1:49:57
Speaker 3: He is the best squad in the league right now.
1:50:00
Speaker 3: So I try not to judge too much based on
1:50:01
Speaker 3: what we see against them. Did Mammoth Hockey look the
1:50:05
Speaker 3: way you thought it would with everyone, you know, practicing
1:50:08
Speaker 3: about a week and maybe looking a little bit more
1:50:09
Speaker 3: rested up.
1:50:11
Speaker 5: They they looked the way. I hope they wouldn't, but
1:50:15
Speaker 5: knew they might, is the best way to put it,
1:50:18
Speaker 5: you know. Robin Leanyo, my co host, and I on
1:50:21
Speaker 5: the Lockdown Mammoth, we always had the debate about rest
1:50:23
Speaker 5: versus rust. The Mammoth were one of the teams that
1:50:27
Speaker 5: probably hated the Olympic break the most because they were
1:50:30
Speaker 5: playing so well before the break. Colorado needed that break.
1:50:35
Speaker 5: They were four five and one rolling into the Olympics
1:50:37
Speaker 5: in Vegas. Was another team that was subed five hundred
1:50:39
Speaker 5: and their last ten going into the break. That was
1:50:42
Speaker 5: Colorado's worst stretch of the season, so really helped them out.
1:50:45
Speaker 5: When you found out there was no Nathan McKinnon last night,
1:50:48
Speaker 5: my hope got up. You know, I'm like, oh, you
1:50:51
Speaker 5: got Cooley and Kirkpuk coming back. Hopefully they're going to
1:50:54
Speaker 5: get a boost from that, and then I'm really hoping
1:50:56
Speaker 5: that there's going to be another boost here along the
1:50:58
Speaker 5: line that is in from Clayton Keller and the Golden
1:51:02
Speaker 5: medal and Holy Mata and the bronze medal, and you
1:51:04
Speaker 5: really hope that those things kind of, you know, make
1:51:07
Speaker 5: an impact. And unfortunately, they looked like a team trying
1:51:11
Speaker 5: to reintegrate a couple of guys who hadn't played in
1:51:13
Speaker 5: the in a while. Bully hadn't played his Sember fifth
1:51:16
Speaker 5: and then Keller coming back. They still have points. Bully
1:51:20
Speaker 5: had thisis Keller had this syst. But honestly, it was
1:51:23
Speaker 5: just it was Russ. It was bad giveaways, it was
1:51:27
Speaker 5: not being sharp with the puck. They just didn't have
1:51:31
Speaker 5: their normal speed and execution. They certainly didn't play as
1:51:34
Speaker 5: physical as I would have liked to have seen them play.
1:51:36
Speaker 5: They just they just weren't sharp. And you know what,
1:51:41
Speaker 5: Colorado coming onto the break, even without mckennonth I am
1:51:44
Speaker 5: actually happy to see that. If you're going to have
1:51:47
Speaker 5: that game against any team, it's Colorado, because that is
1:51:49
Speaker 5: your wake up call. I'd rather have the alarm ring
1:51:51
Speaker 5: right away than a week from now, so you know
1:51:55
Speaker 5: they're They're just gonna have to kind of get back
1:51:57
Speaker 5: to normal here. Colorado executed much better. Every time Utah
1:52:00
Speaker 5: made a mistake, they made him pay for it in transition.
1:52:05
Speaker 3: Tom Callahan our guests here on the Sean O'Connell show
1:52:08
Speaker 3: talking about the Utah Mammoth hockey host of the Lockdown
1:52:12
Speaker 3: Mammoth podcast and NHL insider. It's not going to get
1:52:15
Speaker 3: a lot easier. You got arrest day today and then
1:52:18
Speaker 3: tomorrow night. It's the Minnesota Wild. They're not quite the
1:52:21
Speaker 3: Colorado Avalanche, but they're a really good team who's been
1:52:25
Speaker 3: hot as of late.
1:52:27
Speaker 5: Yeah, Minnesota was another team that hated the Olympic break.
1:52:30
Speaker 5: They were flying before they got into the break. They
1:52:33
Speaker 5: got points in nine to ten, one eight of them.
1:52:35
Speaker 5: I mean, they were just humming right along. And that's
1:52:38
Speaker 5: a really, really good hockey team. The thing about Minnesota
1:52:42
Speaker 5: is they went for it kind of early, made the
1:52:44
Speaker 5: trade to get Hughes who you know now, I mean,
1:52:47
Speaker 5: the Hughes brothers are everywhere after the Olympics, right, you know,
1:52:50
Speaker 5: that's everybody is excited and talking about that for Team
1:52:53
Speaker 5: USA supporters, But it's not so much fun when you're
1:52:56
Speaker 5: the Mammoth no, you've got to face them. So it's
1:53:01
Speaker 5: going to be interesting to see if Utah does sharp
1:53:04
Speaker 5: at the game up a little bit and does play better.
1:53:07
Speaker 5: They really just need to take care of the defensive
1:53:09
Speaker 5: zone better, especially against Minnesota. That's another team that can
1:53:12
Speaker 5: bite you in transition. They're very quick, they are aggressive,
1:53:16
Speaker 5: and they are playing a really, really good hockey right now.
1:53:19
Speaker 5: So yeah, you're right, it's another test for Utah and
1:53:23
Speaker 5: this little stretch here coming out. I mean, you know
1:53:25
Speaker 5: it was going to be tough, and they you know, honestly,
1:53:28
Speaker 5: they kept it close enough against Colorado even though they
1:53:30
Speaker 5: didn't have their best game. But you know, Minnesota, I
1:53:34
Speaker 5: really want to see them come out in the start. Really,
1:53:37
Speaker 5: for me, the first ten minutes is going to tell
1:53:39
Speaker 5: us an awful lot about what they're bringing to that game.
1:53:44
Speaker 3: We've got what eight days before the trade deadline. What
1:53:48
Speaker 3: do you think that looks like? First from the mammoth perspective,
1:53:51
Speaker 3: and then is it going to be wild in the
1:53:54
Speaker 3: NHL at the end of next week or are we
1:53:56
Speaker 3: going to see a lot of teams standing.
1:53:57
Speaker 5: Pat Well, I think there's going to be too many
1:54:02
Speaker 5: deadlines within the deadline because right now the way it
1:54:04
Speaker 5: sets up is you have some teams that have already
1:54:07
Speaker 5: declared if they're definite buyers and definite sellers, and I
1:54:10
Speaker 5: think you may see activity from those teams heading into
1:54:13
Speaker 5: the weekend. But then you have other teams and probably
1:54:16
Speaker 5: my prime example of this is the Toronto Maple Leafs
1:54:18
Speaker 5: who are on the outside looking in, are not necessarily
1:54:22
Speaker 5: close to a wild card, but are going to give
1:54:25
Speaker 5: it a couple of games and see they may give
1:54:27
Speaker 5: it three games, they may go through the weekend, and
1:54:29
Speaker 5: that's going to compress their deadline timeline right into the
1:54:32
Speaker 5: early part of next week. With the deadline coming up
1:54:34
Speaker 5: on March sixth, they are going to be in that
1:54:38
Speaker 5: later basket of teams that really want to play three
1:54:41
Speaker 5: games out of this break and see what happens. So
1:54:45
Speaker 5: so there's the cluster of teams that's already out there
1:54:48
Speaker 5: actively buying or selling, and then you're having teams that
1:54:51
Speaker 5: are going to wait a little bit. So I think
1:54:52
Speaker 5: it might actually break up the action on the deadline
1:54:57
Speaker 5: a little bit. It could really come down to the
1:54:59
Speaker 5: last day or two before it. And for Utah, they
1:55:03
Speaker 5: say they always want to be aggressive, they want to
1:55:05
Speaker 5: be active, but I don't think that's going to come
1:55:07
Speaker 5: at the cost of mortgaging the future, which is important
1:55:11
Speaker 5: because I think they have a lot of great prospects
1:55:12
Speaker 5: in the pipeline right now. But if there's a no
1:55:16
Speaker 5: brainer trade out there where you dou send a current
1:55:18
Speaker 5: player and a prospect for someone who's going to help
1:55:21
Speaker 5: you not only right now. The Mammoth don't need a rental,
1:55:24
Speaker 5: they need someone who's going to be here for several
1:55:27
Speaker 5: seasons to make an impact. I want to see him
1:55:29
Speaker 5: get a top six center, I really do, because I
1:55:31
Speaker 5: think they need one. But those guys don't come cheap,
1:55:34
Speaker 5: and certainly the ones that are available now, you know,
1:55:38
Speaker 5: you have to see, hey, does this player make sense
1:55:41
Speaker 5: for the long term for us as well? Because the
1:55:43
Speaker 5: Mammoths are just starting to open their window. They're not
1:55:46
Speaker 5: winning a Cup this year, They're just starting to open
1:55:48
Speaker 5: the window two three years from now, like we've talked
1:55:51
Speaker 5: about all year. That's when they're really throwing the window
1:55:54
Speaker 5: wide open.
1:55:57
Speaker 3: Is this trade deadline that a reasonable time to address
1:56:00
Speaker 3: your your backup goalie situation?
1:56:05
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is a funny one because I like v
1:56:07
Speaker 5: Tech Vanicheck and I think he's just fine as a backup.
1:56:09
Speaker 5: I know a lot of people don't because they look
1:56:11
Speaker 5: at the record in games he's played. Yeah, there's like
1:56:16
Speaker 5: like Vegg, you know Vann, He's got some goals that
1:56:18
Speaker 5: he would love to have back. You know, they both
1:56:21
Speaker 5: haven't played super solid throughout the year. Vana Check. It's
1:56:24
Speaker 5: tough because he doesn't get a lot of work, but
1:56:26
Speaker 5: he just wasn't getting the run support. I felt like
1:56:29
Speaker 5: he took some bad beats in there. I think he's
1:56:31
Speaker 5: better than people are giving him credit for it. I
1:56:34
Speaker 5: don't feel the need to make a panic trade to
1:56:36
Speaker 5: get a backup goaltender right now. And honestly, whoever you
1:56:38
Speaker 5: bring in is not going to play very much. That's
1:56:40
Speaker 5: not fair style. He's going to run Vege till the
1:56:42
Speaker 5: wheels fall off. So I don't know that. Honestly, it
1:56:45
Speaker 5: needs to be addressed. I wouldn't probably not worry about it.
1:56:50
Speaker 3: I'm remissed, And I mean, you played the position, and
1:56:53
Speaker 3: when we were talking Team USA Hockey, I did not
1:56:56
Speaker 3: ask you about Hella Buck and the incredible gold medal
1:57:00
Speaker 3: game he had, but how well he played for the
1:57:02
Speaker 3: whole tournament, and especially for a guy who had been
1:57:06
Speaker 3: starting to develop the reputation or the question was at
1:57:09
Speaker 3: least being asked about whether or not you could win
1:57:12
Speaker 3: the important games, you could win the big one, whether
1:57:14
Speaker 3: or not you were, you know, kind of a regular
1:57:16
Speaker 3: season star, but in playoffs and crunch time you were
1:57:20
Speaker 3: maybe going to choke. And he did the exact opposite
1:57:23
Speaker 3: of that, stood on his head against Canada in that
1:57:26
Speaker 3: gold medal game, and he's getting a Presidential Medal of Freedom,
1:57:29
Speaker 3: the highest civilian honor in the United States. He's one
1:57:31
Speaker 3: of just a handful of athletes to ever get that.
1:57:35
Speaker 3: Really cool to see that for Hella Buck, as long
1:57:37
Speaker 3: as he doesn't hurt you, because Winnipeg's not excellent this year.
1:57:42
Speaker 3: But your thoughts on his performance in the fact that
1:57:45
Speaker 3: it was so kind of like counter to what his
1:57:48
Speaker 3: reputation had been growing into being.
1:57:50
Speaker 5: You know what the two guys, and I'm glad you
1:57:52
Speaker 5: mentioned that. The two guys who I think might have
1:57:54
Speaker 5: countered their narrative the most are Connor Hallibuck and Austin Matthews.
1:58:00
Speaker 5: There was the narrative starting to evolve around Austin Matthews
1:58:05
Speaker 5: in Toronto that he couldn't lead this team to a championship,
1:58:08
Speaker 5: naming the maple leafs and that he's not much of
1:58:10
Speaker 5: a leader and what have you. Same thing with hellibug. Oh,
1:58:14
Speaker 5: he's great in the regular season, but he can't deliver
1:58:16
Speaker 5: when the tips are down. He's not that guy and
1:58:19
Speaker 5: he'll never be that guy. Well, that was the biggest
1:58:22
Speaker 5: stage in the world as far as hockey eyeballs, and
1:58:26
Speaker 5: that is best on best, Like there is no best
1:58:29
Speaker 5: than the gold medal game in ment Olympic hockey. And
1:58:32
Speaker 5: not only did he show up, but he played an
1:58:35
Speaker 5: incredible Yeah, Hellibuck can handle the big stage. You're right.
1:58:39
Speaker 5: Winnipeg has fallen off substantially this year, and I think
1:58:42
Speaker 5: the Jets is actually a little surprising to me how
1:58:45
Speaker 5: poorly they've done. But I think he has changed the
1:58:49
Speaker 5: narrative around himself. Now what's interesting for Winnipeg is do
1:58:53
Speaker 5: they think they can retool and go right back at
1:58:56
Speaker 5: it again next year with him, or does he become
1:59:00
Speaker 5: the start of starting to move the chips around and
1:59:03
Speaker 5: rebuild because the Central Division is so top So that's
1:59:07
Speaker 5: a great question. But I think he just up his
1:59:10
Speaker 5: own value tremendously with that showing in the Olympics.
1:59:14
Speaker 3: Back to the to the Mammoth and we touched on
1:59:17
Speaker 3: this a little bit earlier, but with the reintegration of
1:59:20
Speaker 3: Cooley and I guess maybe to a lesser, lesser extent Kerfoot,
1:59:25
Speaker 3: at least from a prominent standpoint. There's a couple of
1:59:28
Speaker 3: ways you can manage these things in any sport from
1:59:32
Speaker 3: a hockey perspective. And the Olympic break and they had
1:59:34
Speaker 3: some time to practice. Do you throw them right back in?
1:59:38
Speaker 3: Do you just say, all right, we're gonna pretend that
1:59:40
Speaker 3: those injuries never happened. How's Bear going to handle this?
1:59:43
Speaker 3: Not just in that Avalanche game, but you know, you
1:59:47
Speaker 3: get one day arrest and then another tough one, as
1:59:49
Speaker 3: we already talked about with Minnesota, when you're getting Kooley
1:59:52
Speaker 3: back in, how aggressive are you with that that process?
1:59:56
Speaker 5: I think I only managed Cooley's minute if he is
2:00:00
Speaker 5: needing it from a recovery standpoint, if he has a setback,
2:00:07
Speaker 5: or he has some soreness or what have you. But
2:00:09
Speaker 5: other than that, I put him right back to where
2:00:12
Speaker 5: he was. You know, trust that the recovery process has
2:00:15
Speaker 5: gone well for him. And now for him, I mean
2:00:18
Speaker 5: the guy in this twenty eight games, he's trying to
2:00:21
Speaker 5: catch a moving trip, really The only way you're going
2:00:23
Speaker 5: to do that is by getting in his case, you know,
2:00:27
Speaker 5: your regular minutes he logs, you know, eighteen nineteen minutes
2:00:30
Speaker 5: a night, getting him out there, trying to just keep
2:00:32
Speaker 5: pumping him out in all situations, getting him that power
2:00:35
Speaker 5: play time and let him find his feel again. And
2:00:38
Speaker 5: I'm confident he will. He's a very high skilled player.
2:00:41
Speaker 5: Kurfoot is another guy who I think is pretty critical
2:00:45
Speaker 5: to this team, and I hope he stays healthy here
2:00:47
Speaker 5: the rest of the way because he can really drive
2:00:49
Speaker 5: that bottom six. He's a smart, savvy veteran player, doesn't
2:00:53
Speaker 5: mind playing a physical game, is pretty smart defensively, and
2:00:57
Speaker 5: understands how to play within his limit. So I love
2:01:01
Speaker 5: bringing him back as well. But again, same thing with
2:01:03
Speaker 5: perfect Unless there's a need to manage the minutes because
2:01:07
Speaker 5: of the physical recovery aspects, I don't worry about it.
2:01:10
Speaker 5: I just put them back out there and say, all right,
2:01:12
Speaker 5: you guys are as close to one hundred percent as
2:01:13
Speaker 5: you're going to get. You're ready to go.
2:01:15
Speaker 6: Let's go.
2:01:17
Speaker 3: So a couple of games left on a minor home
2:01:20
Speaker 3: stand here Minnesota, then Chicago, and you start a nice
2:01:23
Speaker 3: long road stretch Washington, Philly, Columbus, Chicago again, and Minnesota again.
2:01:31
Speaker 3: I'm sure we'll have an opportunity to talk with you
2:01:33
Speaker 3: maybe sometime next week, but these are crucial points. You're
2:01:37
Speaker 3: in a home stretch now, and it's not going to
2:01:40
Speaker 3: get any easier if we know anything about the way
2:01:42
Speaker 3: the NHL seasons shape up towards the end, so that
2:01:47
Speaker 3: the final two in this homestand and then the road trip,
2:01:49
Speaker 3: how many points does this team need?
2:01:52
Speaker 5: Well, I said at the beginning of the year, I
2:01:55
Speaker 5: figured it was going to take ninety five to make
2:01:57
Speaker 5: the playoffs in the West, ninety six, and I think
2:02:02
Speaker 5: that that's still pretty accurate. So coming through this trip,
2:02:06
Speaker 5: I mean, at this point, if they're gonna they have
2:02:08
Speaker 5: sixty four, they really need to play at a pace
2:02:12
Speaker 5: where they're picking up probably two thirds of their points,
2:02:17
Speaker 5: pushing games to overtime, getting that extra point where they can. Yeah,
2:02:20
Speaker 5: there's gonna be some losses in there along the way,
2:02:22
Speaker 5: but they have to be better than five hundred free
2:02:25
Speaker 5: out of every five is nice, but I'd really like
2:02:27
Speaker 5: to see it be more, you know too, out of
2:02:29
Speaker 5: every three possible points, and through the road trip, that's
2:02:32
Speaker 5: gonna be tough. But here's the reason why this road
2:02:35
Speaker 5: trip now becomes even more critical. Not only are you
2:02:38
Speaker 5: reintegrating your players back, whether it's from the Olympics or
2:02:41
Speaker 5: from injury, but also that's when you're gonna have your
2:02:43
Speaker 5: team set. That's when you know, hey, we're through the
2:02:47
Speaker 5: trade deadline and we know what's going on now, So
2:02:50
Speaker 5: that is exactly you know who you're gonna have down
2:02:54
Speaker 5: the stretch. And that road trip actually will be a
2:02:57
Speaker 5: nice bonding experience for if there are any new players
2:03:00
Speaker 5: in there, then they you know, guys tend to get
2:03:03
Speaker 5: a little closer on the road and learn one another
2:03:05
Speaker 5: a little quicker on the road, So maybe that's coming
2:03:07
Speaker 5: up at the right time, and they just have to
2:03:10
Speaker 5: learn to play better away from Delta Center. They've loved
2:03:13
Speaker 5: the home cooking this year, but they gotta be just
2:03:16
Speaker 5: a little bit better.
2:03:17
Speaker 4: On the road.
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Speaker 3: Tom, appreciate you giving us time as always. Thank you
2:03:23
Speaker 3: for joining us.
2:03:23
Speaker 5: Sir, absolutely thanks for having me on. We'll talk to
2:03:27
Speaker 5: you soon.
2:03:28
Speaker 3: Locked on Mammoth. That's Tom Callahan, NHL Insider, Mammoth Insider,
2:03:35
Speaker 3: friend of the program. The pressure is on in it
2:03:42
Speaker 3: in a strange way for this Utah Mammoth team because
2:03:46
Speaker 3: you get you get the hopes up right, the hype
2:03:50
Speaker 3: that we now have with Team USA Hockey bringing back
2:03:52
Speaker 3: the gold, Clayton Keller getting to participate in that coolly
2:03:55
Speaker 3: getting healthy at the right time. You're like, okay, now
2:03:58
Speaker 3: we're off and running. And again we have to be
2:04:02
Speaker 3: careful about how much we judge a team based on
2:04:06
Speaker 3: their performance against the Colorado Avalanche. That is, even without
2:04:10
Speaker 3: Nathan McKinnon, they are the best team in the NHL
2:04:14
Speaker 3: right now. They're the best team that the odds on
2:04:17
Speaker 3: favorite to win the Stanley Cup this year. So they're
2:04:21
Speaker 3: going to make some teams look bad. You got to improve.
2:04:24
Speaker 3: You gotta look better against Minnesota. You gotta get points
2:04:27
Speaker 3: against Minnesota. You better beat the Chicago Blackhawks before you
2:04:31
Speaker 3: head on on a pretty tough little road trip five
2:04:33
Speaker 3: games in a row on the road for the Utah
2:04:35
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Speaker 3: Who's on the leaderboard James. We got at right at
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2:06:20
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2:06:29
Speaker 3: They're farther down. Shane Lowry is tied for thirty third
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2:06:36
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Speaker 3: you on the preliminary results early happenings here in Indianapolis.
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Speaker 3: De tackles are running their forties at the moment. Lander
2:07:07
Speaker 3: Barton and Logan Fano expected to participate in drills today,
2:07:10
Speaker 3: although not right this second, at least not on NFL network.
2:07:14
Speaker 3: We'll give you results as soon as we get them,
2:07:16
Speaker 3: and we'll talk about the upside for both of those individuals.
2:07:20
Speaker 3: I put a poll out there, who is going to
2:07:22
Speaker 3: improve his draft stock help himself more. Who's going to
2:07:25
Speaker 3: perform better at today's combine? Lander Barton or Logan Fano.
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2:07:34
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show. NFL Combine Now
2:08:14
Speaker 3: in action. They're actually running and I saw the dreaded
2:08:17
Speaker 3: sit in reach being performed earlier by the big defensive tackles.
2:08:22
Speaker 3: You remember that from the Presidential Physical Fitness the sit
2:08:26
Speaker 3: in reach, Man, I could not stand that. That's the
2:08:30
Speaker 3: thing that I have no flexibility, James. The thing that
2:08:33
Speaker 3: kept me from being a Presidential Physical Fitness kid was
2:08:36
Speaker 3: the sit in reach every single year. And I was
2:08:40
Speaker 3: decently chubby as a young boy, but I could still
2:08:43
Speaker 3: run the mile in enough time, Like I was pushing
2:08:46
Speaker 3: to get that mile. The arm hang and then they
2:08:52
Speaker 3: as you get older, they produced they progress it into
2:08:54
Speaker 3: pull ups or whatever I could. I could muscle my
2:08:57
Speaker 3: way through those, but that sit in reach was my
2:08:59
Speaker 3: nemes and they were making the d tackles. Do it earlier.
2:09:02
Speaker 3: They don't give you that measurement, Thank goodness, give you
2:09:05
Speaker 3: some bad memories there. Oh it's terrible, it's traumatic. You know, Well,
2:09:09
Speaker 3: you were this close to a presidential or Medal of freedom. Well, well, different,
2:09:16
Speaker 3: we have a first, by the way, we have our
2:09:18
Speaker 3: first freak of nature of the day, Zane Durant. Zane
2:09:22
Speaker 3: Durant from Penn State, at two hundred and ninety pounds
2:09:26
Speaker 3: ran a four to seven to six. Yeah, detackle. He's
2:09:30
Speaker 3: only six one and a half, so he's not necessarily
2:09:34
Speaker 3: going to be ideal. But four seven six at two
2:09:36
Speaker 3: ninety is ridiculous. And I say this every year when
2:09:39
Speaker 3: we get to this. You actually probably don't know very
2:09:43
Speaker 3: many people in your life who can run for seven six.
2:09:48
Speaker 3: Like the fastest person you know probably doesn't run four
2:09:52
Speaker 3: seven and they're definitely not two ninety running that. Yeah,
2:09:56
Speaker 3: that's the first guy. And I can't remember they've now
2:10:00
Speaker 3: had they're now going on their second attempts, so they've
2:10:04
Speaker 3: had a lot of guys run. But the first guy
2:10:07
Speaker 3: was just over five and he looked like he was flying. Yeah,
2:10:10
Speaker 3: big Florida dude. Lee Hunter from Texas Tech has put
2:10:14
Speaker 3: in a five to two five and a five to
2:10:15
Speaker 3: one eight. No one's mad at that because he's three
2:10:18
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty pounds. So this and offensive line you
2:10:22
Speaker 3: can get away with running quote unquote slow. By the way,
2:10:26
Speaker 3: that three hundred and twenty pounder just ran faster than
2:10:29
Speaker 3: you listening can run. Uh huh, Like five flat is
2:10:34
Speaker 3: a decently fast person. Five to two you're still above
2:10:37
Speaker 3: average speed. And if you question my my accuracy on this,
2:10:42
Speaker 3: look no further than all of the times that you
2:10:45
Speaker 3: see guys running their fantasy their fantasy draft. A bunch
2:10:48
Speaker 3: of people are doing this now where they determine their
2:10:51
Speaker 3: fantasy league draft order by running forties and guys in
2:10:55
Speaker 3: their late twenties thirties forties, they run a forty yard
2:10:58
Speaker 3: draft and then they are embarrassed that there's a six
2:11:03
Speaker 3: or a seven or a five point seven or whatever.
2:11:07
Speaker 3: Jackie Marshall, by the way, Baylor, he looks like as
2:11:11
Speaker 3: he looks like he has a body of a receiver
2:11:13
Speaker 3: compared to some of these other like three hundred pound dudes.
2:11:15
Speaker 3: The weirdness is when you see the Aaron Donald build
2:11:18
Speaker 3: with the D lineman where there's just no gut, like no, no,
2:11:22
Speaker 3: that's not You're not supposed to be a D tackle
2:11:25
Speaker 3: with that a D tackle and he's the best, probably
2:11:27
Speaker 3: the best D tackle ever. The I put a poll
2:11:32
Speaker 3: out who will measure perform better at the NFL combine?
2:11:36
Speaker 3: Lander Bartner, Logan Funnel right now, Logan slightly edging Lander
2:11:40
Speaker 3: Barton out now. Lander has to be fast at this
2:11:44
Speaker 3: combine because he doesn't play fast, so his tape doesn't
2:11:49
Speaker 3: make him look fast, and the NFL wants fast linebackers. Yeah,
2:11:55
Speaker 3: I chose I agree with you on that. I chose
2:11:58
Speaker 3: Lander because is and I'm in the minority here because
2:12:04
Speaker 3: everything about Lander, except for his on field performance as
2:12:11
Speaker 3: a as a high school recruit, going into every season,
2:12:14
Speaker 3: suggested this guy is gonna be a star, right and
2:12:17
Speaker 3: then on the field, he didn't have a bad career,
2:12:20
Speaker 3: not anything close to it. But he was a solid starter.
2:12:23
Speaker 3: But we expected much much more. We expected more of
2:12:26
Speaker 3: a superstar at the linebacker position, like closer to devn
2:12:29
Speaker 3: what we saw from Devin Lloyd right than what we
2:12:32
Speaker 3: than what we actually saw on the field from Lander,
2:12:35
Speaker 3: which I which to me suggests he's I would not
2:12:38
Speaker 3: be surprised at all if he ends up killing it
2:12:41
Speaker 3: in measurables and and certain other measurements. I don't know
2:12:45
Speaker 3: if he's gonna be awesome at the forty or anything specifically,
2:12:48
Speaker 3: but he's gonna kill it in the combine, because that's
2:12:51
Speaker 3: the that's been the best thing about Lander Barton. I mean, look,
2:12:54
Speaker 3: he's he's long armed, he's very tall, he's got big hands.
2:13:00
Speaker 3: He I think he's probably gonna jump well. He needs
2:13:03
Speaker 3: to run well because his tape doesn't say, oh, this
2:13:07
Speaker 3: guy's fast. If your tape says you're fast, and then
2:13:11
Speaker 3: you run fast or you run even like marginally, teams
2:13:15
Speaker 3: can say, oh he plays fast bad at running forties,
2:13:19
Speaker 3: you're not a first round pick. We're talking third, fourth,
2:13:21
Speaker 3: fifth round picks here, right. If you don't kill Procter
2:13:25
Speaker 3: almost took down Zan Durant. See that four eight even
2:13:28
Speaker 3: four eight four and four to eight even on his
2:13:32
Speaker 3: are his uh, his attempts, his two attempts unofficial times
2:13:37
Speaker 3: of course when you first see them here. But Lander
2:13:41
Speaker 3: has to show, oh, I have the capability of being
2:13:46
Speaker 3: faster than what you're seeing on tape. And again, he's
2:13:51
Speaker 3: way faster than any of us, So it feels silly
2:13:54
Speaker 3: to be like, oh, he's not that fast. He's fast,
2:13:56
Speaker 3: he's regular human fast. But he's going to compete in
2:14:00
Speaker 3: a league that is not for regular humans, and he
2:14:03
Speaker 3: has to show maybe even more in the forty but
2:14:06
Speaker 3: in the short shuttle and in the change of direction
2:14:09
Speaker 3: and the lateral speed thing. He's got to show improvement there,
2:14:13
Speaker 3: or he's got to show something above what his tape
2:14:16
Speaker 3: shows there. He's gonna be given the opportunity to play
2:14:20
Speaker 3: in the NFL. I'm talking about a guy that can
2:14:23
Speaker 3: either be a sixth or seventh round pick or a
2:14:27
Speaker 3: third round pick based on what happens in Indianapolis. And
2:14:32
Speaker 3: that is a massive swing in your career because you're
2:14:38
Speaker 3: either a third round pick, you still got a really
2:14:41
Speaker 3: nice signing bonus. And then even if things aren't going
2:14:44
Speaker 3: particularly well, teams are just like no, no, no, no,
2:14:47
Speaker 3: We're like, we're gonna give him some time. We're gonna
2:14:49
Speaker 3: let this play out. We're gonna put them on special teams.
2:14:51
Speaker 3: Like if you are a sixth seventh round pick, if
2:14:55
Speaker 3: you're an undrafted free agent and it doesn't work out
2:14:59
Speaker 3: for you, Okay, have fun in the UFL. Third round picks.
2:15:03
Speaker 3: They don't do that too consciously or subconsciously. Gms are like, no,
2:15:08
Speaker 3: we put some draft capital into this kid, put the
2:15:11
Speaker 3: work in coaching him, developing him. If you're an undrafted
2:15:15
Speaker 3: free agent or a seventh round pick and you don't
2:15:16
Speaker 3: pop in camp, they're just like, thank you for your time.
2:15:20
Speaker 3: We've seen it a million times. We all watch hard knocks, Right,
2:15:24
Speaker 3: they always single out one of these guys like, great
2:15:26
Speaker 3: college career, whatever, the measurables weren't there, a little undersized whatever.
2:15:32
Speaker 3: I was listening on the way driving in today, and
2:15:35
Speaker 3: what the combine does is it tries to find something
2:15:38
Speaker 3: wrong with everybody. Matt Miller was on with Rich Eisen
2:15:41
Speaker 3: and they were talking about this class. They were talking
2:15:45
Speaker 3: about Ruben Bain, the same Ruben Bain we watched at
2:15:48
Speaker 3: Miami destroying everyone in the college football playoff, just laying
2:15:55
Speaker 3: waste to offensive linemen, right, A guy that in the
2:16:00
Speaker 3: highest stakes games popped on film, even in losing efforts.
2:16:05
Speaker 3: You were looking at Rubin Bain from Miami and you
2:16:08
Speaker 3: were just going like, I am terrified of that man. Right, Well,
2:16:12
Speaker 3: Rubin Bain is like many of the guys in this
2:16:15
Speaker 3: year's draft, he's viewed to be something less than ideal
2:16:19
Speaker 3: from a physical trade standpoint for his position, and Matt
2:16:23
Speaker 3: Miller spent five minutes talking to Rich Eisen about how
2:16:27
Speaker 3: Rubin Bain it doesn't have long enough arms to be
2:16:31
Speaker 3: drafted in the top five. Can you imagine what it
2:16:35
Speaker 3: would feel like if you, like, if I walked in
2:16:39
Speaker 3: and I did the best radio show that you had
2:16:41
Speaker 3: ever heard for sixteen weeks, and then someone just like
2:16:46
Speaker 3: we would like to give you a promotion, but you
2:16:49
Speaker 3: don't have long enough arms. Your voice isn't quite loud enough,
2:16:55
Speaker 3: you give us the wrong decibels. I beg, what are
2:16:57
Speaker 3: you talking about? You just watch me do the job
2:17:01
Speaker 3: that you want me to do at an exceptional level
2:17:05
Speaker 3: against elite competition, over and over and over again. I know,
2:17:10
Speaker 3: but your arms. The stat that I was given was
2:17:15
Speaker 3: that we have never seen anyone drafted in the top
2:17:19
Speaker 3: three of the NFL draft with a sub thirty one
2:17:22
Speaker 3: inch arm length. What what you're gonna tell me? I
2:17:31
Speaker 3: don't want Ruben Bain at the top of this draft
2:17:33
Speaker 3: because his arms might be a half inch too short.
2:17:37
Speaker 3: Absolutely that's what they do though. That's that's what they're
2:17:40
Speaker 3: doing at this combine. They're saying, okay, okay, Ruben Bain,
2:17:46
Speaker 3: I thought you were gonna be in the four to
2:17:47
Speaker 3: seven five range. You ran a four to seventy nine
2:17:51
Speaker 3: yike spud. And thankfully you have coaches there. You have
2:17:57
Speaker 3: evaluators that watch the film and they say, okay, okay, okay,
2:18:02
Speaker 3: let's not get overly married to the idea that this
2:18:05
Speaker 3: guy's handspan is a little bit too small, or his
2:18:08
Speaker 3: arm length is less than ideal, or maybe he didn't
2:18:12
Speaker 3: jump as high as we thought he was gonna jump.
2:18:17
Speaker 3: The audacity with which we tear down players for not
2:18:21
Speaker 3: having elite measurables is absolutely bananas. And then you go
2:18:26
Speaker 3: to the actual results and you say, oh, yeah, hey,
2:18:30
Speaker 3: those numbers that everyone's looking for, there's a reason they're
2:18:33
Speaker 3: looking for those numbers, because the tackles with thirty three
2:18:38
Speaker 3: inch arms have a much higher rate of fending off
2:18:42
Speaker 3: pass rushers than the tackles with thirty one in charms. Oh,
2:18:47
Speaker 3: there's a reason why they want receivers who run four
2:18:51
Speaker 3: four or four five, because there's plenty of receivers who
2:18:54
Speaker 3: run four six and four seven who can't get open
2:18:57
Speaker 3: in the NFL? Now, I know that your counterpoint is, well,
2:19:00
Speaker 3: hold on a minute, Jerry Rice, who's the best ever?
2:19:03
Speaker 3: He ran like a four to seven eight or something
2:19:06
Speaker 3: like that. I know, but he is the exception rather
2:19:09
Speaker 3: than the rule. Who ka Nakua is an exception rather
2:19:13
Speaker 3: than a rule. I also don't think he's under athletic
2:19:17
Speaker 3: the way that his combine numbers might have suggested. I
2:19:21
Speaker 3: just think that maybe he doesn't perform particularly well in
2:19:25
Speaker 3: these made up drill scenarios versus actually playing football. I
2:19:31
Speaker 3: just don't. I love the combine, but the conversation around
2:19:36
Speaker 3: the combine, I think, is what really gets under my skin.
2:19:41
Speaker 3: I don't know, Ruben Bain, do you really want to
2:19:43
Speaker 3: draft him that high? We've never drafted a guy with
2:19:46
Speaker 3: those short of arms? How long are Aaron Donald's arms?
2:19:57
Speaker 3: They were talking about the rvel rees from Ohio State.
2:20:01
Speaker 3: He's two hundred and forty three pounds. You really need
2:20:04
Speaker 3: him to be two fifty five? Okay, then draft him
2:20:06
Speaker 3: and tell him to gain twelve pounds. Yeah, it's I mean, no,
2:20:10
Speaker 3: no football programs, no teams actually do that, right.
2:20:13
Speaker 5: Oh?
2:20:14
Speaker 3: Wait, Kyle whittinghams made a career out of doing that,
2:20:17
Speaker 3: all right, Like coaches and programs can do this. Aaron
2:20:22
Speaker 3: Donald thirty two and five eights in charms, Oh long
2:20:28
Speaker 3: arms for not being tall. He's on no way. He's
2:20:31
Speaker 3: an actual Hall of Famer, Aaron Donald. Keep him out,
2:20:36
Speaker 3: by the way. His arms are too short. If you
2:20:38
Speaker 3: listen to the apocryphal stories about Aaron Donald, there's a
2:20:43
Speaker 3: lot of people who say that he was playing the
2:20:45
Speaker 3: last two or three years of his career at about
2:20:47
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty five pounds at detackle. Plenty of
2:20:53
Speaker 3: dudes at that position two ninety five, three zero five.
2:20:57
Speaker 3: He might have been giving up fifty pounds to the
2:20:59
Speaker 3: idea body type and still was better than everyone at it. Well,
2:21:03
Speaker 3: these guys were watching that are not even NFL players,
2:21:06
Speaker 3: yet they're the smallest we saw was too eighty something
2:21:11
Speaker 3: right and something that maybe we're maybe I'm wrong about this,
2:21:14
Speaker 3: but like two fifty five is significantly smaller than these
2:21:18
Speaker 3: guys who are trying to be drafted right now, let
2:21:21
Speaker 3: alone the guys who play in the league. Aaron Donald,
2:21:26
Speaker 3: by the way, and I'm giving you this because he's
2:21:28
Speaker 3: kind of the gold standard. Aaron Donald ran a four
2:21:31
Speaker 3: six eight forty and his his ten yard split was
2:21:35
Speaker 3: one point five to nine seconds, oh, which gosh, of
2:21:38
Speaker 3: course is a big deal. D Lineman rarely run forty yards.
2:21:43
Speaker 3: They run ten yards all the time. Today's today's numbers
2:21:47
Speaker 3: so far, the unofficial numbers. It was Zaine Durant has
2:21:52
Speaker 3: the is the standard for both those four seven six
2:21:56
Speaker 3: and one six six. That's that's almost a second slower
2:22:02
Speaker 3: than or a tenth of a second slower than what
2:22:08
Speaker 3: than what Aaron Donald ran at his combine. I do
2:22:13
Speaker 3: have some news that I have to share about Dallon
2:22:17
Speaker 3: Bentley draft prospect. He's at the combine, a guy I
2:22:22
Speaker 3: think who's going to show some really nice things in Indianapolis.
2:22:25
Speaker 3: Bad news everyone. He has cut his hair. He's got
2:22:27
Speaker 3: short hair now. Oh no, Dallan Bentley had just some
2:22:32
Speaker 3: impressive locks before. But I think he's streamlined himself, probably
2:22:37
Speaker 3: to run a faster for it. Yeah, aerodynamic, but is
2:22:40
Speaker 3: that can hurt his draft stock? The hair less hair. Okay,
2:22:44
Speaker 3: so let me tell you something. When you when you're
2:22:47
Speaker 3: when you're muscular and you're trying to look even bigger,
2:22:52
Speaker 3: having a big head of long hair is actually bad.
2:22:55
Speaker 3: I don't know if you knew this, James's the visual
2:23:00
Speaker 3: It's like a visual trick. You're a big man, right,
2:23:05
Speaker 3: you got a big head, you got a lot of hair. Yeah,
2:23:08
Speaker 3: if you cut your hair, if you buzz your head,
2:23:10
Speaker 3: your body's gonna look bigger. Yeah, that's what dalla I.
2:23:14
Speaker 3: And also, you know what else I've found when I
2:23:17
Speaker 3: do when I do cut my hair, my face doesn't
2:23:20
Speaker 3: look as chubby, interesting at least to me. And yet
2:23:25
Speaker 3: I still let my hair grow out for a ridiculous
2:23:28
Speaker 3: amount of time. I'm gonna have to test this theory
2:23:33
Speaker 3: on myself. What makes my face look less chubby? Not
2:23:38
Speaker 3: eating four pop tarts every morning? Yeah, probably be a
2:23:42
Speaker 3: good start. You know, I could change my dieto se
2:23:45
Speaker 3: but cutting my hair is much easier. All Right, we'll
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Speaker 7: I love your conversation about overthinking measurements when it comes
2:26:40
Speaker 7: to scouting players.
2:26:41
Speaker 6: I was listening to it on the way.
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Speaker 7: And you know, I was lucky enough to do that
2:26:44
Speaker 7: for about three years, and I always just scoffed at
2:26:48
Speaker 7: certain things where you're you're overthinking it in so many
2:26:54
Speaker 7: different ways. You know, you're your point about arm length
2:26:57
Speaker 7: or was it Ruben bangs Ruben Bank, who's just an animal, Like,
2:27:00
Speaker 7: get him on your team. I can remember when Kevin
2:27:04
Speaker 7: Durant so the NBA draft cycle that involved Kevin Durant,
2:27:07
Speaker 7: greg Odin right, and look, every GM would have taken
2:27:10
Speaker 7: Greg Odin won. He was thought to be this generational
2:27:12
Speaker 7: like Bill Russell type defensive center.
2:27:15
Speaker 6: But I remember there.
2:27:16
Speaker 7: I remember at the NBA Draft combine scout saying Kevin
2:27:20
Speaker 7: Durant can only bench press one hundred and forty pounds twice.
2:27:22
Speaker 6: And I'm like, and who cares?
2:27:27
Speaker 7: Like Kevin Durant can only bench press won forty two times?
2:27:32
Speaker 7: I'm like, he's seven feet and he handles it like
2:27:36
Speaker 7: a guard. He can shoot it like a wing. Like
2:27:38
Speaker 7: I don't care if Kevin Durant can't bench press one
2:27:40
Speaker 7: hundred pounds once. Don't overthink it. Draft Kevin Durant. There
2:27:44
Speaker 7: are so many things that people get into. Like one
2:27:48
Speaker 7: of the debates that I was involved with was the
2:27:51
Speaker 7: year that you know, the Knicks in nineteen ninety eight
2:27:56
Speaker 7: ninety nine drafted a French center named Frederick Weiss with
2:28:00
Speaker 7: the fourteenth pick overall. If you would like to know
2:28:02
Speaker 7: who Frederick Weiss is, google Vince Carter jumps over a dude.
2:28:06
Speaker 7: The dude who jumped over was Frederick Weiss. Yes, he
2:28:09
Speaker 7: didn't ever play in the NBA. And the player that
2:28:13
Speaker 7: everyone in the room wanted was Ron our Test who
2:28:15
Speaker 7: was a New York guy, and he went sixteen Indiana.
2:28:18
Speaker 7: And of course, you know, but the the over obsession
2:28:24
Speaker 7: about Frederick Weiss and his hands and his length led
2:28:29
Speaker 7: the interim general manager at Tapscott at the time to
2:28:31
Speaker 7: go rogue, like he didn't listen to any scout and
2:28:33
Speaker 7: he just drafted Frederick Weiss.
2:28:34
Speaker 6: I love that, and it happens all the time.
2:28:37
Speaker 7: One of the things that to this day I will
2:28:40
Speaker 7: never be on board with, like the NBA copied like, hey, hey,
2:28:42
Speaker 7: he's six' two without shoes, like, dude does he playing bare?
2:28:47
Speaker 7: Feet why are we measuring the? Hoop and still to
2:28:51
Speaker 7: this day like, hey dono of A mitchell six' to one,
2:28:53
Speaker 7: Without shoes, i'm like, all right he plays, wearing shoes
2:28:58
Speaker 7: so why don't we measure them with. Shoes on it's
2:29:01
Speaker 7: it's it's. Beyond wild how many things we ever think in?
2:29:03
Speaker 3: This, process WELL and i understand when we're getting to
2:29:06
Speaker 3: players that are bubble guys that our, fifth rounders like
2:29:11
Speaker 3: let's get the long armed guy versus the short. Armed,
2:29:13
Speaker 3: guy yeah when we're Talking about ruben bab right who
2:29:17
Speaker 3: was picking people up and moving them out of the
2:29:19
Speaker 3: way so he could, EAT quarterbacks i don't care if
2:29:23
Speaker 3: his arms.
2:29:23
Speaker 4: Are.
2:29:23
Speaker 6: Short, one no it's a.
2:29:25
Speaker 7: GREAT point i remember when When When steph curry his Final,
2:29:29
Speaker 7: year davidson when he would just make an everybody, look
2:29:32
Speaker 7: stupid and it was so obvious that even though he
2:29:35
Speaker 7: has not Built like durant or lebron or, or, McGrady
2:29:40
Speaker 7: look nobody saw nobody, Saw this nobody saw generation. Was
2:29:43
Speaker 7: SPECIAL but i think he was drafted six or SEVENTH
2:29:46
Speaker 7: if i. Remember correctly Did The tea Wolves take rubio
2:29:50
Speaker 7: that year or maybe it Was Like. Johnny flynn there
2:29:53
Speaker 7: were some random names drafted Ahead, of steph and the
2:29:56
Speaker 7: talent evaluators and roster constructors justified it with the fact
2:30:00
Speaker 7: that he isn't very big and strong. And athletic, i'm
2:30:03
Speaker 7: like he's generationally special shooting in, the basketball but a
2:30:08
Speaker 7: lot of people were Skeptical OF steph's nba future because of,
2:30:11
Speaker 7: his SIZE and i thought it was just so easy
2:30:13
Speaker 7: to see that he was going to.
2:30:14
Speaker 6: Be awesome there.
2:30:16
Speaker 7: Are unicorns so if it doesn't match the profile of
2:30:21
Speaker 7: THE classic nfl body you were Talking About aaron donald,
2:30:24
Speaker 7: Coming in if it doesn't match the profile of YOUR
2:30:26
Speaker 7: classic nba wing between sixty five and sixty eight and, two,
2:30:29
Speaker 7: TWENTY okay i get leaning. Into that but also if
2:30:33
Speaker 7: you get over obsessed, with it You Draft stromile Swift
2:30:37
Speaker 7: And hashim thabeet who don't like basketball and don't turn
2:30:41
Speaker 7: out to put the. Work in so throughout, the process
2:30:43
Speaker 7: whether it's football or, Basketball specifically i've always been fascinated
2:30:47
Speaker 7: AND what i perceived to be an oversaturation of measurements.
2:30:50
Speaker 6: And stats there are things that, Are REAL like i Can.
2:30:52
Speaker 7: Remember dennis lindsay Pointing Out donovan mitchell's hands but not
2:30:57
Speaker 7: the size of, his hands the patting of, his hands
2:31:00
Speaker 7: just how big and thick his, hands were and how
2:31:02
Speaker 7: that allowed him to catch passes in a weird way
2:31:05
Speaker 7: and be able to finish at the rim because he's
2:31:06
Speaker 7: not that big as far as, Being tall like there
2:31:09
Speaker 7: there are some very. Real Things, gordy chiasa by, the
2:31:11
Speaker 7: way Dining my gordy, Hit today, gordy's LIKE if i
2:31:15
Speaker 7: am lucky enough to catch your Show and, gordy's on
2:31:17
Speaker 7: that's a stay in the car to finish the segment thing. For,
2:31:20
Speaker 7: me gordy he's so good and he he has taught
2:31:23
Speaker 7: me as much about talent evaluation as any basketball person,
2:31:26
Speaker 7: out there and he for so like, for bigs, for instance,
2:31:30
Speaker 7: high hips it's a weird thing to, think about but
2:31:33
Speaker 7: if you have high hips as, a big you can't
2:31:35
Speaker 7: get low and post up, Right now it doesn't mean
2:31:38
Speaker 7: you can't play Like pile gasol had very, high hips
2:31:40
Speaker 7: but if you watched, him play he never got down and.
2:31:42
Speaker 7: Posted up he was more of a face up. Type
2:31:43
Speaker 7: guy so there are things that are real that talent evaluators.
2:31:46
Speaker 7: Should use but when it comes to a Player, like
2:31:49
Speaker 7: bang it just sorry his arms aren't an inch and a,
2:31:53
Speaker 7: half longer but he just.
2:31:55
Speaker 6: Eats cornerbacks so go ahead and. Take it it's a.
2:31:57
Speaker 3: Wild THING but, i mean your margin for error. Is
2:32:01
Speaker 3: crazy these are multimillion, DOLLAR decisions, i suppose and when
2:32:05
Speaker 3: you're when you're living or dying based on your ability
2:32:09
Speaker 3: to project IN an. NFIL draft i cannot imagine how
2:32:13
Speaker 3: stressful it is to be one of, the draftnicks to
2:32:16
Speaker 3: be like A mel kiper, who just by, the way
2:32:19
Speaker 3: lucked into hitting on half the picks one year and
2:32:22
Speaker 3: made an entire career out. Of, it yeah he actually
2:32:25
Speaker 3: doesn't know more, than, anyone right he has better access
2:32:28
Speaker 3: than a lot of, people do but he's wrong all,
2:32:31
Speaker 3: the time and he just got really. Lucky Once, blake
2:32:35
Speaker 3: Griffin hashim Tha Beat, James Harden, Tyreek Evans, Ricky Rubio,
2:32:41
Speaker 3: johnny flynn And Then. Steph, curry now didn't you have
2:32:44
Speaker 3: it in front?
2:32:45
Speaker 7: Of You didn't minnesota have didn't they Drop both Rubio?
2:32:48
Speaker 7: And flynn Rubio, And flynn, oh go, And Look ricky
2:32:51
Speaker 7: rubio turned out to be a REALLY nice. NBA player,
2:32:54
Speaker 7: i mean we're Talking About, stephen curry and to, be
2:32:57
Speaker 7: fair we can do this with every single Team the
2:33:00
Speaker 7: jazz technically passed. ON well, i, mean hell everybody passed
2:33:04
Speaker 7: On To kole Jokich Or kawhi Leonard. Or giannis, you
2:33:06
Speaker 7: know there are several several players out there that every
2:33:09
Speaker 7: team has. Passed upon but, that one if You're a,
2:33:11
Speaker 7: Minnesota Fan ricky Rubio And johnny flynn And Then, stephen
2:33:16
Speaker 7: curry a generationally special player.
2:33:18
Speaker 6: Goes right, after that that one's got.
2:33:20
Speaker 3: A sting you Can Have ricky Rubio And johnny flynn
2:33:23
Speaker 3: or a guy who's going to CHANGE the nba in
2:33:25
Speaker 3: the game of. BASKETBALL forever.
2:33:29
Speaker 7: I think That was DAVID conrd i think he lost
2:33:31
Speaker 7: his job like two years. After that and your point
2:33:33
Speaker 7: about the margins when it comes to, analyzing talent because
2:33:37
Speaker 7: the pressure, is there you will lose. YOUR job, i
2:33:40
Speaker 7: mean one draft cycle where You take Flynn and Rubio
2:33:43
Speaker 7: and stephan is sitting there and you don't pull the,
2:33:45
Speaker 7: right trigger you you are out of.
2:33:46
Speaker 3: A job i WOULD rather i would rather take the
2:33:50
Speaker 3: risk on the short armed GUY that i have a
2:33:53
Speaker 3: bunch of film of him. Destroying, offenses yeah then the longer.
2:33:57
Speaker 3: Armed guy it's it Was The Marrio Williams reggie bush
2:34:01
Speaker 3: draft you. Remember, this yes all of us That Watched
2:34:04
Speaker 3: reggie bush, were like he's the best player in. College football.
2:34:07
Speaker 3: He's incredible and then they, WERE like i would Rather
2:34:10
Speaker 3: Have mario williams because he could do backflips at six, foot,
2:34:14
Speaker 3: eight right and he had seven sacks in his.
2:34:18
Speaker 7: Entire, career, yeah, yeah yeah don't. Overthink it. You know
2:34:22
Speaker 7: another example Recently Was, jalen brunson and the, conversation was and,
2:34:27
Speaker 7: it's legit like diminutive point guards IN the nba if
2:34:32
Speaker 7: You're Not chris paul smart and savvy or you know
2:34:36
Speaker 7: the quickness of a, tie loss and you're not going
2:34:38
Speaker 7: to make it in. The league but We Watched, jalen
2:34:41
Speaker 7: Brunton a villanova give it, to everybody and, his craftiness
2:34:45
Speaker 7: his footwork is shot, making ability and he fell to the.
2:34:47
Speaker 7: Second round there are just so many things that you
2:34:50
Speaker 7: GOTTA just, i think overthink during the draft process or
2:34:55
Speaker 7: lean into something that you think is real when you
2:34:57
Speaker 7: just just get the talent man and figure.
2:34:59
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2:36:34
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2:36:36
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2:36:54
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