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January 22 Court Hearings: Judge Boyd, Simpson, Middleton + More | TCF Podcast #215 · The Courtroom Files

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  Good morning, everybody. What is a Thursday?
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  That sounds right. Happy Thursday.
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  Welcome to the courtroom. Files live.
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  Good to have you here. We're going to start our day in
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  the 44th District Court, Royal Oak, MI.
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  This is Magistrate Donald Chisholm.
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  It's a very quiet start to the morning, but we'll spend a few
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  minutes here to see what's going on.
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  Trying to go in the yellow light.
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  Sorry, I apologize for that one. I'll not do it again.
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  Never, Sir. Please.
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  It's my humble request. I beg you, Sir, please don't
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  give me. Point is.
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  There. Anything you want to add to this
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  officer? No, Your Honor.
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  Mr. Nessen, the points don't come from the court.
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  The points come from the Secretary of State.
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  I have no control of the points. The points for any given
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  infraction are exactly and only what the Secretary of State says
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  they are. Now, in this matter, based on
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  your driving record, I can tell you that the Secretary of State
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  is going to send you a letter that will tell you how to take
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  an online Traffic Safety class to keep the points from going on
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  to your record. It doesn't take the points off.
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  It stops the points from ever going on.
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  It's a once in a lifetime opportunity.
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  Yes, Sir. For a driver with a good record
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  who is sighted with the civil infraction, that carries 3 or
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  less points, not including careless driving.
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  So do you still live on Lorraine?
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  Yes, Sir. That's the address to which the
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  Secretary of State is going to send the letter.
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  Now on this matter, the courts consequences amount to a fine
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  and the fine is $130.00. That can be paid online or by
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  mail or you, if you chose, you could pay it at the courthouse
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  counter. Now, if the Secretary of State's
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  a little slow in sending you the letter, that's not a problem to
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  you because they will not give you the points until you've had
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  the chance to take the class. And I want to repeat, the class
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  doesn't take the points off. It stops the points from ever
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  going on. So what what?
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  What's your mail from from the Secretary of State?
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  Because it's going to be good news.
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  OK, Sir. Thank you, Sir, thank you.
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  And so when I need to pass Sir. Well, if you were standing in
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  the courtroom, I'd say you can pay as you leave.
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  But what? What kind of time do you need?
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  I'm, I'm at home at this moment, Sir.
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  So if if you give me a like a one or two weeks time, it would
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  be nice for me. Sure, we can go 2 weeks.
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  OK, Sir. Two weeks to pay.
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  You are good to go Sir, Have a good day.
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  Thank you, Sir. Bye.
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  Good morning once again everybody.
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  Happy Friday Eve. Welcome to TCF Live.
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  Looking for other courts to come online.
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  We're going to hang with the magistrate here for just a few
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  minutes. He's not exactly known as Mr.
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  Spicy or anything, but but he's a place to start.
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  I'm seeing a lot of courts just starting to boot up now.
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  So we'll, we'll have some really cool stuff right here shortly.
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  And I would direct you to the pinned chat in the blind with
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  Mike and Dan, our pilot episode, our premiere episode right after
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  the show today. So be sure to stick around for
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  that. Trial Do you still live on
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  Aberdeen? Yes.
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  And I don't show a phone number for you. 313515.
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  Thank you. She's requesting appointed
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  council. Yes, sure.
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  You'll stay on with Mr. Manoogian and Estevan.
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  Mr. Manoogian. You're on it.
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  Miss Johnson is 18 years old. She has a, she has a driver's
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  license. It's just suspended.
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  And it's only suspended because of the 1 ticket in 34th District
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  Court. She didn't have that ticket
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  cleared up by her pretrial date and she'll have a valid license
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  by then. She's appearing on Zoom this
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  morning with her father. I spoke with both of them.
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  She was attending school at Grand Valley State and is on a
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  break from that. And I would just ask that a
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  personal bond be sent. That's in the purpose of a bond
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  is not to punish somebody before the trial.
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  It's to make sure that they get to the trial and to ensure the
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  safety of the public pending. Your attorney here has indicated
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  that by the time of the pretrial you should have things solved in
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  order with the Secretary of State.
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  But even if you don't and say something turns to mud, don't
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  skip the pretrial because then there's a warrant issue for your
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  arrest. So just don't, just don't do
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  that. Show up no matter what.
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  The bond in this matter would be $2500 personal.
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  You don't need to pay money to stay at a jail to the trials.
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  A personal bond in the event you don't appear or in the event you
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  violate the statutory terms and conditions of the bond, then in
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  that event you could owe the money.
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  But that is very remote. All you need to do is OK, don't
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  drive without a license and show up on time.
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  The next hearing, the pretrial, will be a Zoom hearing, but it
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  won't use the same set of Zoom numbers that you're using today.
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  So when you get the notice in the mail for the date and time,
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  they will include the new Zoom contact information for that
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  hearing. OK.
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  Thank you. Good.
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  Good luck. Thank.
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  You. Thank you.
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  All right, friends, we're going to stay in the 44th, but Judge
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  Meineke is just getting started, so let's go over there.
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  Dog related case that was taken under a delayed sentence to
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  potentially have the case be dismissed.
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  The only thing that I needed to confirm.
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  I haven't heard that there were any other issues with the animal
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  in question. I just had to confirm whether or
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  not the $200 has been paid. Did you pay that?
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  Just got in. Yes, I paid it.
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  It was either last week or the week before all.
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  Right. Can you check that out?
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  I hope. You weren't here and nobody
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  called in. Well, we'll be able to verify
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  that. OK.
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  So we're just checking out it right now.
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  The most recent update that I had still had a $200 balance,
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  but that was last week or so. It is my, my staff just verified
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  it's a 0 balance. OK, All right.
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  So this should be a very simple straightforward hearing.
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  I will note that you have complied with all terms and
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  based on your compliance, the case is dismissed and the file
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  is closed. So good luck going forward.
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  Hope you have no further issues like this and, and good luck to
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  you. Thank.
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  You so much, I appreciate it. All right, Norman Jackson is
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  here for a review. Let's take a look here 2501221
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  Mr. Jackson. Can you state your name?
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  Oh, and lonely Lord Jackson. All right, Jackson, how are you
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  doing? I'm on.
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  All right. So when I saw Mr. Jackson, I
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  turn this out, said that I would suspend jail and just give fines
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  and costs on this as long as he didn't pick up any new criminal
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  charges. And we're set for a review
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  today. Interesting.
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  We, we set this. I I asked to set up for a review
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  in six months. We're back here in four months.
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  But Mr. Jackson, I'm looking at your criminal record.
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  It doesn't look like you picked up any new charges, Is that
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  right? Right.
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  You haven't been in any other trouble, right?
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  No. Good job, Mr. Jackson.
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  All that's left is that you owe $250.
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  Are you are you working now? No.
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  All right. Where are you staying?
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  I'm staying with my mother. I'm disabled.
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  OK. All right.
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  Is Mom there with you? No.
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  His other guardian. His I'm his sister.
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  I'm here. Oh, great.
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  OK, so, so for four months, originally I wanted this to be
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  set out six months. For some reason, my staff put it
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  up at four months. But because he showed up today
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  and because he hasn't picked up any new criminal charges, the
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  only part of this that's left is the $250.
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  But I'm going to make one more offer to Mr. Jackson if he can
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  continue to stay out of trouble for another two months, since
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  again, my original plan was six months.
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  All right, we're. Just here a little.
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  Early. If he could stay out of trouble
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  for another two months, then I'll waive his fines and costs,
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  and he doesn't have to worry about trying to figure out how
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  to get $250 when he's disabled. Do you do you understand that,
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  Mister Jackson? Yeah.
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  Can you keep staying out of? Trouble.
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  Yes. All right.
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  So ma'am, you're guardian, you're are you hearing what the
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  court's saying here? As long as he stays out of
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  trouble at 2:50, that is still outstanding.
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  I'll waive that for him. Yes, Sir.
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  OK, so I appreciate you looking out for Mr. Jackson.
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  I'm glad Mr. Jackson is staying out of trouble.
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  Stay away from alcohol. Doesn't do anything for you but
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  get you in trouble, right? Right, so I will adjourn this
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  for 60 days if no new criminal contact and waive the $250 and
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  close the file. I think we got a plan there.
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  All right. That way I can save him some
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  money and he can continue to stay out of trouble.
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  All right, we'll keep it simple. Thank you, ma'am.
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  Good luck, Mr. Jackson. All right, thank you.
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  We'll send a notice in the mail. We're going to still send it to
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  the 13 mile address, right? Yeah.
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  All right. Good luck, Sir.
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  OK, friends again, courts starting to come online now.
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  Let's stay in Michigan. But let's say good morning to
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  Brian Oakley. What's that?
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  You were able to steer my client scene right in line.
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  Has been cooperating with the probation department.
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  Good. Good.
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  He would. Is he the guy that was just
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  Blotto the first? Time you brought him in here.
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  Yeah, he's been doing really well.
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  Oh, this is the guy that we couldn't get a hold of.
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  Yeah, yeah, all of them are good.
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  Good morning. On behalf of Your Honor, there
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  is a pointed agreement in the file that my.
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  Is responsible for the. Double. $500 fine, all right.
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  We'll do the double parking on the civil infraction.
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  All right. Miss Gamble, is that your
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  understanding of the agreement? You've agreed to pay $500.
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  All right, I will accept that plea.
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  I'll dismiss both the original charges.
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  Can you pay the 500 today? Yeah.
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  But understand that we don't we don't do all this disposition
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  till we get our money. So if we don't get the money
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  within that due date, you're back dealing with all this.
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  All right, So I can do it in 30 days.
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  Don't. I'm.
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  Can you remember that? All right, so I'm not going to
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  send you downstairs to do any paper with that downstairs.
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  Just you get that paid within 30 days.
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  Thank. You.
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  All right. Good luck always.
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  Jim for culture. Is it the new act or is it?
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  My both are here. Oh, that's right, people versus
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  miracles. Great trust.
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  Morning, council, morning. You're just all paying for and
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  I'm. Here is that standing to my life
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  spiritual heat. Save your name on the record
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  standard. I believe we do have a deep
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  resolution containing file executed by my client whereby
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  he's going to plead guilty to one account of driving while
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  license suspended. In exchange for that, the
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  companion case is going to be dismissed and X to the DWLS the
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  the ticket. Along with that, DWLS speeding
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  already defaulted and I believe it's written on accordingly.
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  So you're asking me to set aside the default and dismiss?
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  Yes. All right.
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  Mr. Miracle, did you discuss your rights and options with
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  counsel today? You understand all those?
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  You understand the understand the possible penalty for the
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  charged global license suspended, revoked, or denied.
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  Understanding all that, are you in fact pleading guilty to that
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  charge today? Yes.
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  On October 2025, did you drive a vehicle in here on Township and
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  at that time was your license suspended, revoked or denied?
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  Council satisfied. Satisfied here on it.
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  So am I. I'll dismiss the two charges
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  from August 6th. What's the status of the license
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  now Invoke? Currently, Mr. Marigold is not
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  full in Wayne County for a dozen tax.
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  License. He, he understands that this
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  will constitute the violation of the probation that he is on and
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  is prepared to deal with that through my office as well as
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  he's committed, your honor, to when he is first eligible to
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  coming back. And he knows I do these and, and
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  helping him to get full license restoration.
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  I look forward to that. OK.
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  That body pain scribble. Does it say no payments posted?
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  OK. Are you working, Sir?
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  What do you do? What do you do?
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  OK, How long? 2012?
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  OK, you're working now. Are you working now?
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  Currently not working. We got work just with the.
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  Weather, Yeah. So you're employed, you're just
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  waiting for it to be above 0? Right.
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  OK. All right.
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  Yeah, tangent alert. So a number of years ago I met a
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  guy, mutual friend had a party. So I met this guy.
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  He was a retired Carpenter, he's from Michigan, moved to Alaska,
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  was a framer and Alaska and then move back, you know, so I'm
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  talking to my grew up construction.
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  So I'm talking to it and I'm like, how long is your building
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  season in Anchorage? He said, what do you mean?
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  I'm like, well, you know, do you just build like from June, July
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  and August or He said, no, we build year round.
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  I'm like, man, I could never, I could never get get a handle on
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  working with gloves, you know, nail pouches and gloves.
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  And he said, me neither. That's probably why these don't
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  work anymore because he worked year round in Anchorage, AK.
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  He said yeah, I I got a lot of problems with these.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right.
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  Anything else I should know before I sentence on this file?
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  Your honor, like I said, he's he's, he's a hard working guy.
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  He knows my office well. He's going to move forward in
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  the right way. So we would ask you for
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  consideration of that. All right.
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  So we've got some old files we owe money on.
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  It looks like 860 bucks. Part of that was the case I just
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  kicked out that was 170. Are you in a position to get
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  some kind of payment set up on a regular basis, weekly, bi
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  weekly, monthly? Can you make a, can you get some
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  payment schedule set up on a regular basis?
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  Can you commit to that today? OK, do that before you get out
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  of my building. All right, so on today's file
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  fines and cost of $500. I'm ordering four days on the
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  court work program. Work program is assessed as an
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  alternative to jail. I would suggest you go down and
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  find out the quickest you can schedule them because you're
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  either going to work for me during the cold weather or you
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  for the cold weather. So let's get these banged out so
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  when you get a job that actually pays you, you can get it done.
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  Any questions? Begins.
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  We don't weekends are tough for us.
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  We're we're trying to gear up with more weekends.
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  But right now do the weekdays while you're not working.
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  Yeah, because we're not, we're not going to kill you out there.
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  You're not going to work as hard for us out in this weather than
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  you would for you. So with the money you already
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  owe on the old stuff and the 500 day go down to set up your
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  payment plan. Will do you honor all right.
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  Good luck with your license. When you get there.
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  Thank. You always a pleasure off the
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  record our our friend John helping something else.
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  He's doing well. Good.
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  I brought a Christmas basket for my daughter.
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  Always. Yeah, he's a sweet guy.
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  Take care of you. Say hello to your big boss.
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  Well, Caitlin Langley. Miss Langley, are you going
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  forward today without benefit of an attorney?
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  You've met with the prosecutor, says here that you're going to
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  plead responsible to a double parking civil infraction.
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  You've agreed to pay fines, a cost of $150.00 and the
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  prosecutor wants me to dismiss the misdemeanor.
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  That's all crew, true. All crew.
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  Crew. That's correct and true.
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  Both. OK, can you pay the 1:50 today
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  by three? OK, questions.
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  Good to go. Enjoy your day.
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  Devon Rodkey, like Rodney, but AK instead of an N.
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  Did I pronounce it right? Yes, Sir.
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  Good morning. You're going forward today
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  without benefit of an attorney. Double parking for you.
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  Find the cost 300. And that's the way you want to
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  resolve this today. All right, I'll.
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  I'll dismiss both charges from December 19th.
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  Can you pay the 3:00 today? No.
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  I'll give you a due date. Look at the calendar.
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  Tell me how long you need to pay 300.
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  The reason is because all this is on hold until we get your
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  money. Then we make we put it through
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  to match the deal. You looking for a due date?
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  You can walk over there if your eyes aren't any good.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So.
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  February 6th. February 6th.
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  What day is that? Yep.
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  I like Friday due dates. All right.
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  Any questions? Good to go.
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  Stay warm. Meredith Allen.
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  Good morning, ma'am. Are you going forward today
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  without benefit of an attorney and you've met with the
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  prosecutor, You've agreed to plead responsible to 1/3 charge
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  double parking, You've agreed to pay fines a cost of $500.
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  Wonderful. I will dismiss the original
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  charges from November 23rd. Can you pay the five today?
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  Go down. You're probably going to be the
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  first in line so you'll get a big smile from the cashier.
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  Have a great day. You're welcome.
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  Yep. Yep, and it's. 5. 100.
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  Yep. Good morning, Mr. Young.
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  Subsidium. Dean, is it Crumpton?
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  Come on up, Sir. Mr. Crompton, are you going
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  forward today without benefit of an attorney?
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  Let's see what you did. You made a deal with the
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  prosecutor. Oh, you're all right.
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  You're requesting an adjournment.
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  OK, March, I think. You want to talk about?
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  Bond Yeah. March twelve, 8:00 AM.
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  Yes, whatever I have on. Yep, Yep.
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  You can get started all right, Mr. Crumpton.
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  We've got 2 files. You've got bond money on both.
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  You've got a civil infraction, which is a speeding ticket.
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  That bond IS300. You've got a misdemeanor, drove
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  all license suspended, revoked to deny that bond is 500.
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  If we switch your bonds, that'll give us enough money to pay off
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  the civil infraction. You're done with it.
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  That alright with you? OK, Actually, probably the way
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  to do it is just. Yeah.
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  And then whatever's left. Put it on.
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  So have a seat. We're going to get you a paper
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  notice for that new date questions.
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  You're good to go. So Lily says in the chat, lots
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  of double parkers here. So double parking is this
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  court's equivalent of allowing another to operate a motor
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  vehicle, which is something that Judge Middleton and some other
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  courts use. It's basically a legal loophole
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  to be able to take the charge and plea it down to something
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  that's basically just a fine. So that's what's going on.
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  All right, you're going to plead responsible to double parking.
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  Prosecutor wants me to dismiss both charges from January 2nd.
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  And you've agreed to pay $300, right?
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  Can you do it today? Are you working?
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  Where do you work? Mako.
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  Mako. What do they do?
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  Where they at? OK.
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  How long you been there? Full time.
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  Good. All right, so you owe some money
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  on some other stuff too. Violation of permit equipment
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  violation. Oh, that's what these are yeah.
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  You got to fail to display valid license 2 times.
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  You got 1 from 23, one from 24, almost 1000 bucks.
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  So are you in a great. But you still owe the money?
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  Yeah. So are you in a position to
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  commit to some payments weekly, bi weekly, monthly?
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  What works? All right, how much can you do
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  and when can you start? Start.
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  No, no, no. It's you're working full time
• 25:40
  probably still equipment I have that's about like 3000 back to
• 25:46
  do I can start paying for these. Can you?
• 25:48
  Can you do 50 a month starting soon, part of February, Pick a
• 25:54
  date, temp. Yeah, we'll always take extra
• 26:01
  money, but this way at least we got nibbling away at it.
• 26:05
  All right, so you need to go downstairs and get that on paper
• 26:11
  before you get out of here. You go to the front counter,
• 26:13
  tell them you're setting up a payment plan.
• 26:15
  Yep, Yep. All right, so that 300 plus what
• 26:18
  you already owe us, that's one big payment plan.
• 26:20
  All right, good luck. Good luck.
• 26:23
  Barbara, thank you for the five. Ellie thanks you.
• 26:25
  It's very nice of you. William Burrell.
• 26:53
  Burrell or Burrell? Mr. Burrell, you're going
• 26:56
  forward without an attorney, Yes.
• 26:58
  You've made an agreement with the prosecutor, correct?
• 27:02
  You're going to pay $300 on the double parking and the other two
• 27:04
  get dismissed, right. All right, that's two charges
• 27:07
  from 12/12/25. Can you pay the three today when
• 27:13
  due date over there? If you can see the calendar.
• 27:14
  If you can't take a walk, 1030 days.
• 27:19
  Yeah, we can do that. Any questions?
• 27:25
  All right, you can remember that you don't need a piece of paper
• 27:27
  from us. All right, under.
• 27:29
  Did you hear what I said? If if the money doesn't get paid
• 27:31
  when it was supposed to, then these are back up and you got to
• 27:33
  deal with them. Got you.
• 27:36
  Yeah, you should be. It's a good deal.
• 27:38
  Have a good day. You're welcome.
• 27:50
  It's not. Working, Yes.
• 28:00
  Hardaway, Miss Hardaway, are you going forward today without
• 28:05
  benefit of an attorney? OK, so you're pleading
• 28:15
  responsible to impeding traffic and the misdemeanor charge from
• 28:19
  12/31 is dismissed. That's the deal.
• 28:24
  OK, impeding traffic is $180. Can you take care of that today?
• 28:28
  Go downstairs and get your smile and get on your way.
• 28:31
  You're welcome. Enjoy your day.
• 28:49
  Morning Council, is it Hamadi, Come on up.
• 28:58
  Sir, are you going forward today without an attorney?
• 29:00
  Yes, Sir. All right.
• 29:07
  So you made a deal to plead responsible to double parking
• 29:10
  and receive 2 dismissals from January 1, correct?
• 29:15
  And you've agreed to pay fines, a cost of $300.
• 29:17
  Can you pay that today? Go downstairs and get a smile.
• 29:20
  We'll get you on your way as soon as we can.
• 29:22
  You're welcome. Enjoy your day.
• 29:26
  I'm out of files. All right, well, if he's out of
• 29:42
  files, let's move on. Let's go, let's go down to
• 29:45
  Georgia just like the devil did and see what's going on with
• 29:51
  Judge Lowell. First appearance has been had
• 29:55
  for most of these cases. Individuals have bond set in
• 30:02
  their cases as well. And today we're going to find
• 30:06
  out how each defendant would like to move forward with his or
• 30:09
  her case. I'm just trying to make sure
• 30:12
  that everybody is OK. Good.
• 30:16
  So today, after the each defendant has had the
• 30:18
  opportunity to speak with their respective attorney, we will
• 30:22
  determine whether the defendant would like to accept a plea
• 30:25
  offer from the state and in exchange for a recommended
• 30:30
  sentence or whether the defendant would like to enter a
• 30:33
  plea of not guilty and the case will be further notice for
• 30:36
  trial. Other matters that we may
• 30:38
  address today include bond modifications, bench warrants,
• 30:43
  as well as probation. If you are a individual accused
• 30:47
  of one or more misdemeanor offences, Please remember that
• 30:50
  you have a right to remain silent.
• 30:53
  Anything that you choose to say during this virtual proceeding,
• 30:56
  your statements can and will be used against you in the
• 31:00
  treatment of your case. You have a right to an attorney
• 31:03
  if you cannot afford 11 will be appointed to represent you.
• 31:07
  All right. And courtroom 2.
• 31:14
  We have Mr. Haddad there. Oh, I have Mr. Haddad's
• 31:17
  checklist over here. OK excellent.
• 31:20
  And Mr. Haddad is there. Mr. White is also on Zoom and
• 31:26
  it's just and miss and who else is interview today.
• 31:31
  Mr. Bartell's judge. She's handling the ACDC folks.
• 31:34
  OK. Good morning, Sir.
• 31:37
  Good morning. OK, All right.
• 31:40
  Who do we have first number? 31 Mr. Robinson OK.
• 31:44
  Thank you. Good.
• 31:48
  Morning, Your Honor. Good morning.
• 31:49
  Good morning. OK, we have genero Robinson.
• 31:58
  Mr. Robinson has been accused of battery, family violence, theft
• 32:03
  by taking and cruelty in the third degree.
• 32:06
  Case number is 26CR152A. Mr. Robinson, you've been
• 32:11
  advised of your rights and your attorney is Mr. Fortis.
• 32:14
  Mr. Fortis, how are we proceeding today as.
• 32:17
  We're going to maintain our not guilty plea at this time, Your
• 32:21
  Honor. OK.
• 32:22
  And. Have you filed a wave of Raymond
• 32:26
  or would you like me to arraign this case?
• 32:28
  I can't recall, sorry. We've already filed it.
• 32:31
  But if you, if you want to arraign it, you can.
• 32:33
  I can arraign it. Not a problem, but we did file
• 32:36
  it. Just the dasher here, let.
• 32:39
  Me. Just take a quick look.
• 32:44
  Miss Young, can you see if this case has got a wave of
• 32:47
  arraignment fault? I'm having trouble trying to get
• 32:50
  not yet. You're on.
• 32:52
  It this morning, it's the other case that has a waiver in all.
• 32:55
  Right. Mr. Mr. Fortis, do you waive
• 32:58
  reading of the accusations? Yes, Judge, we'll waive reading
• 33:02
  of the accusation, enter plea of not guilty and request 10 days
• 33:05
  from receipt of all discovery to file motions.
• 33:08
  All right. Mr. Robinson, your attorney has
• 33:13
  waived a reading of the accusation.
• 33:14
  As I've already indicated the charges that have been brought
• 33:16
  against you, these are misdemeanor offenses and you
• 33:20
  have the right to enter a plea of not guilty and the case will
• 33:23
  be scheduled for trial. At the time of the trial, you
• 33:27
  and your attorney will appear where the prosecutor would have
• 33:30
  the complete burden to try and prove the charges against you
• 33:33
  beyond a reasonable doubt. If the prosecution does prevail
• 33:37
  and overcomes your legal presumption of innocence, it's a
• 33:41
  possibility you could be convicted of one or more of
• 33:43
  these offences and face a penalty of up to a year in jail
• 33:47
  and or up to $1000 fine for each convicted offence.
• 33:51
  Given this information, how do you plead today?
• 33:53
  Because. We're going to maintain our
• 33:56
  we're going to maintain our not guilty plea.
• 33:58
  All right. Do you agree with your attorney,
• 34:00
  Mr. Robinson? All right, case has been
• 34:04
  arraigned and further notice for jail jury.
• 34:07
  Thank you, Miss Fortis. Thank you, your Honor.
• 34:09
  Good to see you. You too.
• 34:10
  Thank you. Next case please let.
• 34:16
  Me go to #26 Mr. Mohammed. Yeah, Hey, Tom.
• 34:38
  Yeah, the the. This is state versus Khalid
• 34:41
  Malachi Muhammad accused of accused of two counts of Pi.
• 34:45
  We're going to wave sounding on the charges from July 2nd, 2025.
• 34:50
  His accusation is 26 CR 220J. Let's actually change it up,
• 34:55
  friends. Judge Simpson's just getting his
• 34:56
  day started. Let's go over.
• 35:04
  There. Public defender, We too do not
• 35:09
  believe that there is a conflict, but if there is any
• 35:12
  conflict, we would waive it as well.
• 35:15
  Thank you. The court also does not believe
• 35:17
  this conflict either. In the Michigan court rules are
• 35:19
  the cases decided. They understood the extent of
• 35:21
  conflict does exist. Given the waivers, court will
• 35:23
  consent to hear the matter. Court does call the case of the
• 35:26
  People's State of Michigan versus Sandra Law.
• 35:36
  Stephanie Can, on behalf of Miss Law, I will.
• 35:50
  I will let him know, Your Honor. Miss your?
• 35:53
  Name please? Sandra Law.
• 35:55
  All right, where do we go? Miss Law has elected to waive
• 35:57
  her right to a preliminary exam. Your Honor, my client is outside
• 36:06
  of counsel's advice, asking to speak to the court, and she's
• 36:09
  also asking to have her daughter be allowed to speak to the
• 36:12
  court. I've informed her that her
• 36:14
  daughter would likely not be able to speak to the court
• 36:16
  because that is inappropriate, but she wanted me to ask.
• 36:21
  All right, Well, you can do the way.
• 36:23
  I don't know what you want to address to the court.
• 36:26
  Can I have it read something to you, please?
• 36:30
  Your Honor, do you want to address the waiver first?
• 36:33
  How do? You want to You want to do the
• 36:35
  order? Since what?
• 36:36
  What is that, Miss Cannon? If you want to do the waiver, we
• 36:40
  can. That's fine, ma'am.
• 36:44
  You're waiving your right to a preliminary examination.
• 36:47
  Yes. Do you understand that that's a
• 36:49
  proceeding where the people would have to show by probably
• 36:51
  because that the offense alleged was committed and that you
• 36:53
  committed it? Yes, Do you?
• 36:55
  Understand that you'll not have that hearing.
• 36:58
  You'll proceed to Circuit Court for further Bless you.
• 37:01
  You'll proceed to 2nd report for further proceedings.
• 37:04
  Yes. All right, people also waive the
• 37:06
  right. Yes, preliminary examination
• 37:11
  haven't been waived. Bound over to Circuit Court on
• 37:14
  count one with two follow. Your Honor, we would waive
• 37:20
  formal reading of the information, stand mute, and
• 37:23
  we're asked for our next pretrial date.
• 37:26
  Kind of name we waive formal reading standing new court will
• 37:28
  enter not guilty plea. Pretrial will be set for other
• 37:30
  words. At 1:30 before Judge.
• 37:33
  Moved. February 2nd, 2026 1:30 Judge
• 37:37
  removed. Can I read something to you,
• 37:39
  Anna? As long as it's not too long, go
• 37:43
  ahead. I apologize to you and your
• 37:45
  court for my situation, of my stinking, thinking attitude to
• 37:48
  allow my relapse and my time of sorrow.
• 37:51
  I've been caught in addiction for 15 years before this
• 37:54
  relapse. I have been sober for over a
• 37:56
  year. As of now, I have been
• 37:58
  incarcerated for 78 days waiting for a plea deal to be sent to
• 38:02
  treatment. So far there has been no eval.
• 38:06
  I was set to leave for treatment on a tether to Oakdale twice and
• 38:11
  subsequently been let down both times.
• 38:14
  There was a delay in my relapse due to bond differences in
• 38:18
  between both cases. I was not present for my
• 38:21
  Medicare renewal so it has cancelled.
• 38:26
  Cancelled. I'm concerned about me not being
• 38:29
  eligible to pay or have insurance pay for my long term
• 38:33
  treatment. I worked hard in my sobriety to
• 38:37
  have a productive life. I went from having nothing in my
• 38:40
  life but a pipe and a rock to having things that make my life
• 38:44
  of importance. A job, schooling, a home,
• 38:48
  surrounded by my family pets. I accumulated all that back.
• 38:53
  I write this to your court today to ask that I be released today
• 38:57
  to go back to my productive lifestyle that I struggled for.
• 39:02
  I have an awesome support system, a sponsor.
• 39:05
  I will continue outpatient treatment, drug testing, and my
• 39:09
  sobriety. I want a chance to show to this
• 39:13
  court I can be a responsible, clean and sober out of jail.
• 39:17
  Thank you for your time. Yes, I'm going to be real.
• 39:25
  I've listened to this now 3-4 times.
• 39:29
  My position by position has not changed and it is not going to
• 39:34
  change. Regarding this case, I did
• 39:38
  approve. The last one I approved was
• 39:41
  January 14th, her release to treatment.
• 39:46
  Understood, Your Honor. And that is what I said I would
• 39:51
  do every time I approved it. I don't know what has happened
• 39:55
  there. Somebody else can look at that,
• 39:58
  but I'm not changing my position.
• 40:00
  This law, you can keep saying the same thing over and over.
• 40:03
  I'm not going to do anything different.
• 40:05
  I understand that, but what has held me back is with the
• 40:08
  treatment situation. OK.
• 40:10
  I was put on a 90 day home arrest tether with Miss
• 40:13
  Washington's case and me going to Oakdale.
• 40:16
  They sent me back, they put me in tether and I couldn't leave.
• 40:20
  So my case with her is up and I did my time in jail with her.
• 40:23
  It'd be Monday. So that's what set me back from
• 40:26
  treatment. And I have an eviction on my
• 40:28
  home that you did. I have to be out April 1st.
• 40:30
  So it's like I'm facing an eviction that I can't get my.
• 40:33
  All of this. I know this.
• 40:35
  It's not like I'm operating in the dark.
• 40:38
  I have heard everything that you were telling me now 234 times.
• 40:44
  I understand that and I don't understand why I don't deserve a
• 40:46
  chance to do outpatient treatment and get my life back
• 40:48
  on track over 1 relapse. Did you hear me?
• 40:51
  I approved outpatient treatment for you.
• 40:54
  You didn't. Approve outpatient.
• 40:55
  You approved inpatient? You want to see the form.
• 40:57
  I signed it January 14th. I'm done.
• 41:00
  Bye. Continue.
• 41:02
  Bye. Thank you.
• 41:03
  Honour, goodbye. I don't.
• 41:08
  Understand. That was one case, 11 case.
• 41:31
  Great start. No.
• 41:34
  And you were involved. Thank you.
• 41:46
  Kurt calls the case people versus Avion Johnson.
• 41:48
  Good morning. Your Honor, Chief Assistant
• 41:53
  Prosecutor. Victoria.
• 41:54
  Burton here. It's up here on.
• 41:55
  Behalf of the team. You were not supposed to let all
• 41:59
  that happen to me. Never.
• 42:02
  Mind, I'm so. Sorry.
• 42:04
  Good morning, Good morning, Your Honor.
• 42:06
  Edward Dugas, on behalf of Avion Johnson and Mr. Johnson, can you
• 42:11
  unmute and state your name, please, Sir?
• 42:14
  Good afternoon. Well, good morning, Avion
• 42:16
  Johnson. Good morning.
• 42:18
  All right. What are you doing?
• 42:19
  Your Honor? I'm asking for an adjournment.
• 42:20
  We are downloading videos and we.
• 42:23
  Need some more time? More time.
• 42:25
  So. What am I?
• 42:28
  Doing. 5th, I got to skip that one.
• 42:30
  Fifth and 12th, how long are you intending on being in Oakland?
• 42:35
  How long are you going to be in Oakland County Jail, do you
• 42:38
  know? To May.
• 42:41
  He's till May. Till May all right probable
• 42:45
  cause conference will be adjourned to February 12th,
• 42:51
  2026. Ninety fine continue.
• 42:56
  Thank you. Court calls the case of the
• 43:00
  people versus James Kimbrough. I achieve.
• 43:08
  Assistant Prosecutor Victoria Burton Harris appeared on behalf
• 43:10
  of the People. Edward Drucas on behalf of James
• 43:13
  Kimble James Kimble Your honor, Rich needing a brief adjournment
• 43:18
  in this case is going to be nallied and I'll adjourn this to
• 43:24
  5th February 5th 2026 ninety 5/20/30.
• 43:33
  Thank you. On cuts case, people versus
• 43:39
  Marcus play Brown. Good morning.
• 43:48
  I'm Sam Bernstein for Marcus Claiborne.
• 43:50
  Mr. Claiborne, can you please state your name for the court?
• 43:51
  Margaret Claiborne. Thank you.
• 43:54
  We're asking for an adjournment to obtain a review discovery.
• 43:58
  All right. See being held on anything else
• 44:00
  other than this here. Just this, I believe.
• 44:02
  Your Honor. Probable Cause Conference,
• 44:05
  February 5th, 2026, 9:00 AM. Bound to continue.
• 44:08
  Thank your Honor. Thank you.
• 44:14
  Court calls the case People versus David Gilbert.
• 44:24
  Chairman Foster Tucker on behalf of David Gilbert.
• 44:28
  He is on Zoom. I have no explanation for his
• 44:35
  absence. For the record, I'd.
• 44:37
  Ask for an adjournment and what were.
• 44:39
  You looking at at the. Door, never mind.
• 44:43
  Pentwar will issue for defendant's failure to appear
• 44:45
  bond to set him at a $10,000 cash surety.
• 44:50
  That warrant will issue immediately.
• 44:53
  Thank you. Thank.
• 44:54
  You, Your honor. Court calls case people versus
• 44:58
  Joseph Bondville. Brandenburg, on behalf of Joseph
• 45:20
  FarmVille, Mr. FarmVille, can you please state your full name?
• 45:22
  For the record, justify. There.
• 45:24
  Thank you. All right.
• 45:26
  You're requesting an adjournment.
• 45:28
  I'm correct, John. All right.
• 45:29
  This is the only thing he's held on, I believe.
• 45:33
  Is this the only thing? Yeah.
• 45:35
  I believe so. Probable God's Conference then
• 45:39
  will be February 5th 2026 9:00 AM bond continue just permission
• 45:44
  to address bond y'all respectfully.
• 45:47
  My client indicate to indicated to us that he does have Medicaid
• 45:52
  and he's looking to be released to community health.
• 45:55
  It's not the fact that to community health mental health
• 46:00
  he's looking for some sort of mental health treatment.
• 46:03
  It's not the fact that he can't afford bond.
• 46:05
  He could have he he, he could have been posted bond if he
• 46:08
  wanted to, but actually, and he has a place to stay.
• 46:12
  So it's not like he's usually as housing either, but he's been
• 46:17
  trying to make sure he stays out of trouble.
• 46:20
  But he really wants to address mental issues.
• 46:23
  And he just asked in this court, can he please be released to the
• 46:28
  mental health? I I'm not going to have an issue
• 46:34
  with that necessarily. I mean, he's got $1000.10
• 46:37
  percent bond. I think it is on this case.
• 46:41
  So I mean, it's not like we're really holding him.
• 46:45
  If you prepare an order, I'm sure the jail will use their
• 46:48
  resources to try to see something that will see if
• 46:51
  there's something available. For them.
• 46:53
  Thank you. All right, thank you.
• 46:55
  So at this point his bond will continue any honorable Claire,
• 47:01
  have a great day. You did.
• 47:03
  Are you done? That should make you stay as
• 47:07
  long as you buy your. Lunch.
• 47:12
  Clerk has the case People versus Marissa Dix.
• 47:26
  Good. Morning, Your Honor.
• 47:28
  Robert Elman, on behalf of Miss Dix, who should be president
• 47:31
  over Zoom. Good.
• 47:33
  Morning, Your Honor. Good morning.
• 47:35
  State your name please. Marissa Dix.
• 47:39
  OK, I have you for me a plea form that indicates that the
• 47:42
  defendant would be pleading to a count no, Well, doesn't say.
• 47:48
  I'm presuming since I read the police reported to no contest.
• 47:51
  That's correct Your honor, my apologies.
• 47:53
  No contest plead to count 3 of stalking the one year offense.
• 47:58
  Upon our successful plea to that charge, count 1 and 2 would be
• 48:03
  dismissed. Defendant is also agreeing to
• 48:06
  complete full five years probation with no early
• 48:09
  discharge, not object to any personal protection order
• 48:14
  extension by the victim, participate in mental health
• 48:17
  treatment, complete a substance abuse assessment and follow all
• 48:21
  recommendations from that assessment.
• 48:25
  That is what the defendant is agreeing to do.
• 48:27
  The prosecutor and defendant agree that the prosecutor will
• 48:33
  recommend that the I guess a current PPO violation will be
• 48:37
  dismissed. That's the court's full
• 48:40
  understanding of the the defense understanding as well.
• 48:47
  Dicks, can you please raise your right hand?
• 48:51
  Do you solemnly swear or affirm? Testimony you're about to give
• 48:54
  will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the
• 48:56
  truth. To help you guys, I do state
• 49:00
  your name again for the record. Marissa Dicks.
• 49:03
  All right, you can put your hand down.
• 49:05
  Ma'am, it is this court's understanding that you are going
• 49:07
  to be pleading guilty to the charge or pleading no contest to
• 49:10
  the charge of stalking. That's a misdemeanor punishable
• 49:13
  by up to one year incarceration on $1000 fine and up to five
• 49:16
  years probation. You understand that?
• 49:19
  Yes, I do. All right.
• 49:21
  Do you understand what a no contest plea is?
• 49:24
  Yes, I do. All right.
• 49:26
  Two things about it, I have to make sure that you understand.
• 49:28
  The first thing is, is it means that you're not further desirous
• 49:31
  or wanting to contest this charge.
• 49:32
  You understand that? Yes.
• 49:36
  The second thing you need to understand is that for purposes
• 49:38
  of sentencing, the court will treat you the same as though you
• 49:42
  had pled guilty. You understand that?
• 49:44
  Yes. You also understand, ma'am, that
• 49:47
  while I'm taking your plea, I would not be your sentencing
• 49:49
  judge and you would be sentenced before Judge Perry in the 15th
• 49:53
  District Court. Yes.
• 49:55
  All right, Do you still wish to plead no contest?
• 50:00
  Yes. Basis for no contest, please.
• 50:03
  Potential civil liability to the charge of stalking.
• 50:06
  How do you plead? No contest.
• 50:10
  And you understand that by pleading no contest, you will
• 50:12
  not have a trial of any kind. Yes.
• 50:16
  You executed A cause to be executed in advisive rights
• 50:19
  form. I'm sorry, what was?
• 50:22
  That. You caused to be executed in
• 50:25
  divisive rights form, meaning you gave your you went through
• 50:28
  it with your attorney and your attorney signed with permission
• 50:31
  or you signed off on the divisive rights form.
• 50:34
  Yes, I did. All right.
• 50:36
  Do you have any question regarding any of those rights?
• 50:39
  No, I do not. All right, with particular
• 50:42
  attention to paragraph 5, which are your trial rights, you
• 50:44
  understand that you're waving or giving up all of those rights?
• 50:47
  Yes. You understand you're giving up
• 50:50
  your right to appeal of rights. Yes.
• 50:53
  Are you on probation or parole? Not currently, not yet.
• 50:59
  Has anybody promised you anything other than what's been
• 51:02
  stated here today on the record to get you to play?
• 51:05
  No. Has anybody threatened you or
• 51:07
  coerced you in anyone? No.
• 51:10
  You're doing this voluntarily and of your own free will.
• 51:13
  Yes. Court has been provided and has
• 51:19
  reviewed 2 police reports. The first the both Ann Arbor
• 51:23
  Police Department reports for cases for their case numbers
• 51:26
  2551811 and also for 2540451. Any objections in the court
• 51:38
  having reviewed those reports? No, Your Honor, based upon the
• 51:44
  review of those reports, the court does find that there's a
• 51:46
  sufficient factual basis in which the court could determine
• 51:49
  the defendants guilt of this offense.
• 51:51
  Miss Dix, I do have to inform you that if between the time of
• 51:55
  my acceptance of your plea and the time of your sentencing, if
• 51:58
  you commit misconduct is defined by the Michigan court rules, the
• 52:02
  court would no longer be owned by any sentence evaluation or
• 52:05
  recommendation and you would not be entitled to withdraw your
• 52:08
  plea. You understand that?
• 52:10
  Yes. Is Council aware of any other
• 52:12
  promises, threats or other inducements which have led to
• 52:15
  this plan? People are not Your Honor.
• 52:17
  No, Your Honor. And have I complied with the
• 52:19
  court? Defense is satisfied.
• 52:23
  Court will accept the defendant no contest.
• 52:25
  Plea to Count 3. Counts 1 and 2 are dismissed.
• 52:28
  Pre sentence investigation and reporters ordered at 15th
• 52:31
  District Court Probation. Sentencing in this matter will
• 52:33
  be February 18th. February 18th, 2026, 8:30 before
• 52:42
  Judge Berry. 9:00 AM before Judge Berry.
• 52:45
  Excuse me. Thank.
• 52:50
  Bond will continue. Thank you.
• 52:52
  Thank you, Miss Dix. Thank you, Your Honor.
• 52:54
  May I address Bond shortly? She's still has AGPS tether on.
• 52:59
  Now that the charge has been reduced, is there any chance of
• 53:03
  removal of the tether prior to sentencing?
• 53:05
  I am not going to remove it. Fair enough.
• 53:07
  Roger. Thank you.
• 53:08
  OK. I like that kind of Thank you.
• 53:12
  Mr. Alvin Court, that's called the case of People versus Seth
• 53:16
  Cronick. Morning.
• 53:19
  Honoring can not be pretty. Happy people.
• 53:24
  Morning, R Christy Still. Preparing on behalf of with
• 53:27
  Seth. Cronick.
• 53:28
  Your name, Sir Seth. Cronick Yeah, Today my client
• 53:33
  understands he has a right to preliminary exam.
• 53:35
  He's knowingly going to waive his right and be bound over the
• 53:38
  circle. Is that a correct statement,
• 53:40
  Sir? Yes, your Honor.
• 53:41
  And you understand that a preliminary examination is a
• 53:44
  proceeding where the people would have to show by probable
• 53:46
  cause the offenses pledge were committed?
• 53:48
  Committed. Yes, Your Honor.
• 53:51
  And you understand you'll not have that hearing you'll proceed
• 53:54
  the Circuit Court for further resolution?
• 53:56
  Yes, Your Honor, people also where they're in here,
• 54:01
  preliminary examination having been waived depending is bound
• 54:04
  over to Circuit Court on count one with two following Mr.
• 54:07
  Easton. General wave, formal reading
• 54:09
  stand mute. Defending every wave.
• 54:10
  Formal reading standing mute. Court will enter not guilty plea
• 54:13
  as to both counts. Pretrial will be set for
• 54:15
  February. 4th. At 1:30 before.
• 54:18
  Judge February 4th, 2026 1:30 Judge Common Fine continue.
• 54:31
  That's called the cases of the People versus Kimberly Douglas.
• 54:34
  2 cases talk channel asking to Google is Mr. Gaddy Oh there it
• 54:45
  is, Mike Gaddy I. Just spoke to founder on behalf
• 54:48
  of Miss Douglas is here via Zoom judge.
• 54:52
  All right, Miss Douglas, can you state your name for me?
• 54:55
  Kimberly Sue Douglas. Yeah, I'm requesting A brief
• 55:02
  adjournment of this matter. The people have made an offer.
• 55:05
  It was after I visited Miss Douglas yesterday and she's not
• 55:09
  able to appear here today so I couldn't see her in the lock up.
• 55:11
  About it. Just the only kids holding her.
• 55:17
  I do not believe so, Judge. All right, gotcha.
• 55:21
  All right. Probable cause then will be
• 55:22
  adjourned. February 5th, 2026, 9:00 AM.
• 55:27
  Thank you, Anna. Thank you, Bob.
• 55:28
  Continue. I'll come visit you, Miss
• 55:32
  Douglas. Thank you.
• 55:51
  That's called the cases of the people versus do you by any moot
• 55:58
  Assistant public Defender Jay Bellinger on behalf of Mr. Moot,
• 56:03
  Your Honor on this is not ending in 1665.
• 56:09
  Good morning, Your Honor. James Wilski, appearing on
• 56:11
  behalf of Mr. Moot on the Case, 166. 5 Your name, Sir?
• 56:18
  Giovanni Mood. Thank you, Your Honor.
• 56:20
  We are just seeking an adjournment.
• 56:21
  We have an ongoing investigation that should hopefully be wrapped
• 56:24
  up in the next. Couple of weeks.
• 56:26
  I'm also waiting on some electronic video discovery.
• 56:30
  Your Honor, and we have, I have confirmation that that was sent
• 56:33
  via mail yesterday, so he should be receiving that soon.
• 56:37
  All right. So 5th or the 12th, which would
• 56:42
  you prefer? I prefer the 12th.
• 56:44
  I have a conflict on the 5th. I would defer to Mr. Pipalski.
• 56:48
  Probable Cause Conference, February 12th, 2026.
• 56:52
  That'll give us more time. 9:00 AM Bound to continue.
• 56:56
  Thank you, Your honor. Once again, good morning
• 57:00
  everybody. Welcome to TCF Live.
• 57:01
  Good to have you here. Lots going on today.
• 57:04
  I've got my eyes on something that if it comes to fruition,
• 57:09
  we'll discuss later. A bunch of different courts are
• 57:12
  starting to come online. We have sidebar tonight where
• 57:16
  the jumping off point is going to be that Louisiana Parole
• 57:22
  Board case we saw at the end of the fourth hour yesterday and
• 57:28
  right after the show. So what is that?
• 57:30
  1:00 PM Eastern, 10 AM Pacific is what that would be the
• 57:36
  premiere episode of In the Blind with Mike and Dan.
• 57:38
  Yes, Michael Groff, guest host of the show.
• 57:42
  And I have teamed up for a brand new show and all you have to do
• 57:45
  is stick around here and YouTube will send you right over to that
• 57:48
  premiere. Just as soon as this is done.
• 57:51
  I can continue to ride with Judd Simpson for a little bit.
• 57:53
  I've got my eyes on him because former U of M coach Sharon Moore
• 57:58
  is supposed to be in his court today, so we'll keep an eye.
• 58:02
  Behalf of Miss Thomas and the matters ending in 5653 and 121.
• 58:06
  All right. Got it.
• 58:08
  You got to give. Him space with that your name,
• 58:12
  ma'am. Hello.
• 58:14
  Do you want to equate Cynthia Rose Thomas?
• 58:23
  And your honor, we're asking for a German.
• 58:25
  We are attempting to seek a global resolution for the
• 58:28
  matters that she has outstanding.
• 58:33
  They like our. Office, I've been in contact
• 58:35
  with the prosecutor regarding that, so hopefully we'll have
• 58:37
  some. Sort of resolution show.
• 58:39
  All right. That's not a.
• 58:42
  Problem. How much time are you going to
• 58:45
  need to try to wrap all of these up?
• 58:47
  It's, it's, it's a, it's a lot of information for the
• 58:50
  prosecutor to are. You saying they're slow?
• 58:56
  You're saying they're slow and can't pick up the information.
• 58:58
  What are you saying? No, it's just it's a lot.
• 59:01
  To. Over and come to a resolution.
• 59:03
  I didn't know what you we have. The big dogs, now you're at her.
• 59:06
  So wow. You're not.
• 59:10
  The things don't happen. My staff make things happen
• 59:14
  every single day. Her.
• 59:17
  Staff is just phenomenal. OK, now that we've gotten done
• 59:21
  with the pat on the backs, how much time do we need?
• 59:24
  Pardon. And at which point I do believe
• 59:27
  my client will be in treatment by then so.
• 59:29
  OK, Probable cause conference February 19th, 2026 9:00 AM
• 59:37
  bound continue court calls case of people versus Cynthia.
• 59:47
  Is it dupless? I'm forgetting an S in there
• 59:53
  somewhere. Come on up, man.
• 1:00:00
  We don't. This is a public defender case,
• 1:00:03
  but I don't know who's assigned. Let's drop down Assistant
• 1:00:06
  prosecuting Attorney. You have to be.
• 1:00:07
  He's here. The substitution.
• 1:00:13
  Is. Being.
• 1:00:13
  Emailed to me. Oh, the substitution right now.
• 1:00:22
  OK, go ahead. Good morning, Your honor.
• 1:00:24
  Jordan Goldberg. PA7047 I'm standing in for newly
• 1:00:27
  substituted Council Nicholas Somberg on behalf of Miss
• 1:00:31
  Duplessis. You have no objection to that,
• 1:00:33
  ma'am? No.
• 1:00:35
  All right. What are we doing?
• 1:00:37
  Your Honor, we would ask that you set it for an exam.
• 1:00:39
  I have Mr. Somberg's calendar. Is all discovery complete?
• 1:00:44
  He has received discovery. He is still reviewing it, but he
• 1:00:48
  is ready to go for an exam just. I understand what you're saying
• 1:00:52
  to me. My question is, is all
• 1:00:54
  discovery? Complete.
• 1:00:56
  I believe so, Your Honor. People, are the witnesses
• 1:01:10
  available. The 3rd.
• 1:01:11
  I'm actually on trial that way with the any objection to going
• 1:01:20
  beyond that date council? No, Your Honor, we would waive
• 1:01:25
  21 days. The 10th Will that work for the
• 1:01:31
  people? Yes.
• 1:01:33
  Yes, your Honor. Preliminary Examination in
• 1:01:37
  person February 10th, 2026, 9:00 AM.
• 1:01:41
  That's before judge before judge, fresh out.
• 1:01:45
  And I do have one bond issue I'd like to address.
• 1:01:48
  Go ahead. Your Honor, my client has no
• 1:01:52
  felony criminal history. I understand the charges in this
• 1:01:55
  case are serious. She has been ordered not to have
• 1:01:58
  contact, obviously with either complaining witness, but she's
• 1:02:01
  also not to have contact with children of any kind.
• 1:02:05
  She's been ordered not to return to her own house where one of
• 1:02:09
  the complaining witnesses previously resided and no longer
• 1:02:12
  resides as a result. She's been living out of her
• 1:02:15
  car. She's been driving 2 hours from
• 1:02:18
  Clinton to Adrian to work every day.
• 1:02:21
  Your Honor, I'd be asked that you modify bond to permit her to
• 1:02:25
  have supervised time with her three children separate from the
• 1:02:30
  complaining witness in this case and also returned to her home in
• 1:02:33
  Clinton. Her husband, who was the father
• 1:02:35
  of her three children, separate and completely unrelated to this
• 1:02:39
  case is present. He would be present for any
• 1:02:43
  supervised time with the child, the children who again, are not
• 1:02:48
  complaining witnesses in this case.
• 1:02:50
  I believe the bond condition that you not have contact with
• 1:02:53
  any of her children at all is over broad and unreasonable.
• 1:02:59
  Your Honor, I was at the. Arrangement.
• 1:03:00
  It was supervised to be supervised by letting me having
• 1:03:04
  CPS that's already been ordered. That's what I see then the only.
• 1:03:10
  Outstanding matter would be permitting her to return to her
• 1:03:13
  home. It was previously listed as the
• 1:03:15
  home of one of the complaining witnesses.
• 1:03:19
  None of them stay there anymore. The people who live there are
• 1:03:21
  her three children and her husband, her three children who
• 1:03:25
  are not. Related Who is Khalil Harvey?
• 1:03:27
  I believe that is the that. Is the.
• 1:03:31
  One that's I know, but who is that to this defendant?
• 1:03:34
  An ex and a child of her father, he is one of the complaining
• 1:03:38
  witnesses. She she she indicated in the
• 1:03:42
  arraignment that she was living on Carriage Ave.
• 1:03:44
  We can't. She can't.
• 1:03:45
  That's not true. That's what I had to say.
• 1:03:48
  I believe that's where she was sleeping during the arraignment,
• 1:03:51
  but that has since changed the the.
• 1:03:53
  I don't think the victim or the the child is in.
• 1:03:57
  Claim so I. Don't have an?
• 1:03:58
  Objection. They won't.
• 1:03:59
  They're not in claim. The address in Clinton.
• 1:04:03
  What's the? Address with the father, the
• 1:04:05
  other. 2. Children who are not involved, I
• 1:04:07
  don't have. That's not the prohibited
• 1:04:10
  address I have in Clinton. How about this?
• 1:04:13
  I have a prohibited address of Ann Arbor on Ann Arbor Trail and
• 1:04:20
  then post Oak Dr. OK, that one I see post Oak Dr. they didn't
• 1:04:25
  list the town. So that's, those are the two
• 1:04:28
  that I have, right. We we could do a stipulation if
• 1:04:32
  you want. I I think.
• 1:04:34
  You need to because I I don't know what you're.
• 1:04:39
  We're asking she'd be allowed to return to Post Oak.
• 1:04:40
  Drive, I understand what you said, but I don't you're not
• 1:04:44
  giving me all of the information regarding who's there, who's not
• 1:04:47
  there. Yeah, I can put it in the
• 1:04:50
  written motion if that's preferable.
• 1:04:52
  Why don't you? Try this, talk to him and then
• 1:04:59
  see if you can stipulate. If you can't stipulate, then
• 1:05:02
  I'll be happy to hear your motion.
• 1:05:04
  Happy to do that, Your Honor. Thank you so much.
• 1:05:07
  Bond is continued. Motion at this point is denied.
• 1:05:16
  Thank you, Court Coast case people versus Devante Connor
• 1:05:20
  Belcher. Sherilyn Foster Tucker on behalf
• 1:05:28
  of Devante Connor Belcher. Your name, Sir.
• 1:05:34
  Devante Connor Belcher. Thank you.
• 1:05:36
  What are we doing, Judge? There should.
• 1:05:39
  Be an amended. Complaint.
• 1:05:41
  Yes. I emailed that to.
• 1:05:46
  Kurstein I informed Miss Foster Tucker about it and then it's
• 1:05:53
  going to be remanded on count 2 down.
• 1:05:55
  Yes. Yes.
• 1:05:58
  So with that objection, count 1 is dismissed.
• 1:06:02
  As to count 2, waive reading of that and stay on mute.
• 1:06:06
  Yes, your Honor. And he pleads not guilty to
• 1:06:10
  that. Charge that is correct.
• 1:06:11
  Pleads not guilty to Count 2. Retrial in that matter at 8:00.
• 1:06:30
  30 before Judge Perry. February 11th, 2026 8:30 right
• 1:06:36
  before Judge Perry found with its conditions.
• 1:06:42
  Thank you. Thank you.
• 1:06:44
  Have a good day. You do the same for calls, the
• 1:06:48
  case people versus July, July, Allen people.
• 1:07:03
  Assistant Public Defender within on behalf of Miss Allen.
• 1:07:09
  OK, I was going to try that first and I said Nah anyway, go
• 1:07:13
  ahead. We have requested some
• 1:07:16
  additional media discovery are requesting of an adjournment.
• 1:07:21
  OK, that's fine. Do I have a green sheet or?
• 1:07:25
  Yes, your Honor. It is completed.
• 1:07:35
  It is working. Oh, so it was.
• 1:07:39
  Late. Yes, yes.
• 1:07:41
  Don't worry about it. It's OK.
• 1:07:43
  It's Miss Gaines. We'll let it slag.
• 1:07:45
  I apologize. I don't, I don't know if I was
• 1:07:48
  sitting there holding them. I I said that's your.
• 1:07:50
  It's OK. February 12th.
• 1:07:56
  Will that work? Or you want the name, or you're
• 1:07:58
  going. To need.
• 1:07:59
  More time February 12th, 2026 9:00 AM Bond continues.
• 1:08:07
  Thank you. Court calls case people versus
• 1:08:14
  Mary Burnley. Good morning, Judge Michael
• 1:08:24
  Kenny, assistant. Public defend.
• 1:08:25
  Drop me Miss Barney, who's here in the courtroom.
• 1:08:28
  If you could state your. Name Miss Barney Mary Barney.
• 1:08:33
  Yeah, what do we do? Fiona, this is going to be a
• 1:08:37
  waiver I have gone over. Miss Barney is executing the the
• 1:08:41
  waiver forms as we speak. The people have agreed not to
• 1:08:47
  add any additional charges. Judge.
• 1:08:54
  She's waving on both cases. She is waving on both cases.
• 1:08:57
  Judge. Ma'am, is that correct?
• 1:09:00
  Yes. You understand that a
• 1:09:02
  preliminary examination is a proceeding where the people
• 1:09:05
  would have to show by probable cause that the offenses alleged
• 1:09:07
  were committed and committed them.
• 1:09:11
  Yes, I understand. You understand that you'll not
• 1:09:13
  have that hearing. Yes, we'll.
• 1:09:15
  Proceed to Circuit Court for further resolution.
• 1:09:18
  Yes. People also waive the ring.
• 1:09:22
  Preliminary examinations having been waived, defending is bound
• 1:09:25
  over to Circuit Court on the case ending in 2206 on all four
• 1:09:34
  counts and on the other matter, 1869123, with four following.
• 1:09:41
  That is correct, Your Honor. I have gone over her right to an
• 1:09:44
  exam with this Barney, as has the court.
• 1:09:47
  OK. In terms of arraignment on the
• 1:09:49
  information, we'd waive reading. Stand mute.
• 1:09:51
  And in every way forward reading, standing mute.
• 1:09:53
  Courtland are not guilty. Pleased to all 8 counts.
• 1:09:57
  Pretrialing. These matters will be set for
• 1:10:03
  February 3rd, 2026, 1:30 before Judge comes.
• 1:10:08
  Thank you, Judge. Thank you.
• 1:10:13
  Yes, ma'am. Surely.
• 1:10:15
  Well, I can get that. I don't say that.
• 1:10:18
  Sorry. Yeah, court does call the case
• 1:10:34
  People versus Amber Lee Almany, Michael Gaddy, Assistant.
• 1:10:43
  Public defender on behalf of Miss Almany.
• 1:10:50
  I have before me a plea form that indicates that she's going
• 1:10:52
  to be pleaded with the charge of firearms, charge of possession
• 1:10:58
  on a on restricted premises, the 90 day offense.
• 1:11:02
  On our successful plea to that charge, count 1 would be
• 1:11:05
  dismissed and there is a sentence agreement.
• 1:11:10
  The prosecutors delayed sentence under 771.1 to dismiss the case.
• 1:11:17
  Upon successful completion of delayed sentence, term set by
• 1:11:21
  the court that forts full understand.
• 1:11:26
  That's the extent of our agreement.
• 1:11:29
  May I have her swarm? Raise your right hand 2. 1200
• 1:11:32
  per On the testimony about to give me the truth, the whole
• 1:11:34
  truth. Yes.
• 1:11:36
  Take your name please. Amber Almany.
• 1:11:38
  All right, you can put your hand down.
• 1:11:40
  Ma'am, it is this court's understanding that you're going
• 1:11:41
  to plead guilty to the charge of possession of a firearm in an
• 1:11:45
  unrestricted premises. Yes, now.
• 1:11:48
  That is a misdemeanor punishable by up to 90 days incarceration
• 1:11:52
  on $100 fine plus court cost. I think it also requires
• 1:11:55
  forfeiture of the device and mandatory forfeiture of the
• 1:11:59
  device or weapon. You understand that?
• 1:12:01
  Yes. All right.
• 1:12:05
  You also understand, ma'am, that while I'm taking your plea, I
• 1:12:08
  would not be your sentencing judge and you would be sentenced
• 1:12:10
  before Judge Valvo. Valvo or her successor, likely.
• 1:12:16
  I don't. I don't know who's going to be
• 1:12:17
  handling the dockets, but Judge Garwood in the 15th District
• 1:12:23
  Court. You understand that?
• 1:12:24
  Yes. OK.
• 1:12:28
  No. Wish to plead guilty.
• 1:12:29
  Yeah. And to that charge, how do you
• 1:12:31
  plead? Guilty.
• 1:12:32
  And you understand everybody pleading guilty, you will not
• 1:12:34
  have a trial of any kind. Yes.
• 1:12:36
  You signed any advice of rights for him?
• 1:12:38
  I did. Any question about those rights,
• 1:12:40
  please look at paragraph five. You see a copy on the podium.
• 1:12:42
  Those are your rights that you are part of a trial.
• 1:12:44
  You understand, make pleading guilty, you'll be giving up
• 1:12:46
  those rights as well as all the rights on that form.
• 1:12:48
  I do. You understand you're giving up
• 1:12:49
  your right to appeal of right? Yes.
• 1:12:51
  Are you on probation or parole? No.
• 1:12:53
  Has anybody promised you anything other than what's been
• 1:12:56
  stated here today on the record? To get you to plead.
• 1:12:59
  No. Anybody threaten you or coerce
• 1:13:01
  you? No.
• 1:13:02
  You're doing this voluntarily. Yes.
• 1:13:05
  Of your own free will, yes. And because you believe that you
• 1:13:08
  are indeed guilty. June 28th, 2025 Location of 1514
• 1:13:16
  E Hospital Drive, City of Ann Arbor, Washtenaw County, State
• 1:13:20
  of Michigan, and I believe that's part of U of M hospital
• 1:13:23
  premises. Did you have a weapon in your
• 1:13:27
  possession? I did.
• 1:13:29
  All right. And you were carrying that
• 1:13:30
  weapon. It was in the vehicle, yeah.
• 1:13:33
  It was in your vehicle and you understand that you were not
• 1:13:38
  that it they the hospital location is prohibited premises.
• 1:13:42
  Yes. To do that, you understand that,
• 1:13:45
  all right. And if I accept your plea, if
• 1:13:50
  you between the time of your plea and the time of sentence
• 1:13:53
  and if you commit misconduct as defined by the Michigan court
• 1:13:56
  rules, first of all would not be entitled to withdraw your plea
• 1:14:00
  and the court would not be bound by any sentence evaluation or
• 1:14:04
  recommendation. You understand that?
• 1:14:06
  Yes. Council, are you aware of any
• 1:14:08
  other promises, threats or other inducements which have led to
• 1:14:10
  this plea? No.
• 1:14:12
  No, judge. And have I complied with the
• 1:14:15
  court? Yes.
• 1:14:16
  Defense is satisfied. Court will accept the
• 1:14:19
  defendant's plea owed. Guilty 2 Count 2 Count 1 is
• 1:14:25
  dismissed. Pre sentence investigation and
• 1:14:28
  reports ordered. Mr. Court, Probation sentencing
• 1:14:31
  in this matter will be February 17th.
• 1:14:34
  At 9:00. AM February 17th.
• 1:14:37
  Mr. Feaster, can you approach on a separate matter, please?
• 1:14:42
  February 17th, 2026 for Judge Rattle.
• 1:14:51
  All right, I'll keep an eye on Judge Simpson's court, but let's
• 1:14:54
  move along. Go down to Texas, say good
• 1:14:57
  morning to Judge Stevens. You said about Nate's.
• 1:15:02
  That's strange. That's what the doctor said.
• 1:15:03
  He finally made me what I. Need that he.
• 1:15:05
  Said I needed in Vincent. Yeah, that was 3 minutes behind.
• 1:15:12
  Yeah. That's pretty good, Joe.
• 1:15:20
  OK, You were Mr. Cruz in 25 CR 804, Alejandro, You were charged
• 1:15:28
  with the state jail felony of burglary of a building that got
• 1:15:32
  convicted. That carries with it up to two
• 1:15:35
  years in the state of jail, which is not a good felony we're
• 1:15:38
  going to do today. There is an initial.
• 1:15:40
  I still have the media about him, about her.
• 1:15:42
  Two weeks to. Get that in.
• 1:15:44
  July. He was indicted in July.
• 1:15:47
  This is not first appear. I know that it shouldn't take
• 1:15:51
  long. Have you moved recently?
• 1:15:54
  I was in custody in Italy. I was in custody.
• 1:15:58
  Where in Brazil he'll win, I don't understand about over or
• 1:16:07
  what the third charge over there, what was it the same
• 1:16:12
  trade? So what happened in the case?
• 1:16:16
  Did it get served? Yes.
• 1:16:18
  Did it get disposed though? Yes.
• 1:16:20
  OK. Do you know that?
• 1:16:22
  I wasn't aware of that. So just in my first appearance,
• 1:16:25
  which is, hey, I'm talking about over there because I don't I
• 1:16:29
  don't see a criminal history here.
• 1:16:31
  But you were convicted in that other one.
• 1:16:33
  Yes. What was it?
• 1:16:34
  A what? What was the job 1244?
• 1:16:39
  You gave me 1244, but it's still a state jail conviction.
• 1:16:44
  But you received punishment as though it was a misdemeanor.
• 1:16:47
  Yes, those are good things if you can get them.
• 1:16:51
  And what was the crime? Burglary of a building?
• 1:16:54
  Was it the IT wasn't the same of it?
• 1:16:56
  No, it was it was a different different locations.
• 1:17:02
  You got to get a resetting. Yes, yes, Sir.
• 1:17:06
  Chester Fobs. Please FOBBS.
• 1:17:11
  Oh, sorry. Here.
• 1:17:14
  Sorry, yeah. I.
• 1:17:20
  Didn't want to. Are you justified?
• 1:17:28
  I'm calling clause #25 CR 1/6/63 and you are charged here with my
• 1:17:36
  indictment with failure to comply with sex offender
• 1:17:40
  registration, which you were required for life, right?
• 1:17:49
  This. You have to do that for life,
• 1:17:53
  and this is a third degree felony.
• 1:17:55
  That's why we'll have to be very cautious and ensure that you
• 1:17:59
  register regularly and timely because if convicted of this,
• 1:18:04
  you were facing up to 10 years in prison of them.
• 1:18:07
  Yeah, that's the way it is. It's a third degree felony for
• 1:18:10
  not registering properly. What are we going to do for
• 1:18:14
  that? So do I need some time to go?
• 1:18:15
  Over the media with it just got invited.
• 1:18:18
  It's a new couple months ago, so I'll give you 4 weeks on this.
• 1:18:24
  Are you registered properly now? Yes, there was a hesitation.
• 1:18:30
  You're nodding vigorously Yes this morning.
• 1:18:33
  I know, but verifies yes. Just state now the answer to
• 1:18:38
  that I. Don't know off the top of my
• 1:18:39
  head I can look into. It you look, I don't want him
• 1:18:42
  leaving until I find out if he's registered properly right now.
• 1:18:46
  OK? No, it's crimes.
• 1:18:48
  No, I understand that's going to affect his bond if he's not.
• 1:18:51
  But he's, he's got a duty to do it and he's got to do it.
• 1:18:55
  I understand. And I don't want you to leave
• 1:18:58
  until I know whether you have been properly registered and
• 1:19:05
  complying with this registration because every day it's a crime.
• 1:19:12
  Change of address. Is that what you did?
• 1:19:17
  Let's just verify it before Mr. Fobs leaves and don't leave, you
• 1:19:22
  know, make sure it's put this on the side.
• 1:19:26
  Only this on the side. Remind me, Mr. Bobs.
• 1:19:29
  I mean, that's the. Receptive.
• 1:19:32
  Legislature makes that very important.
• 1:19:36
  When you get caught not registered, the first thing you
• 1:19:39
  have to do is register if you're not in jail already.
• 1:19:43
  I'm sorry, I need you to sign. Right there on the high level.
• 1:19:45
  That's for me, yeah. If you want to sit over here
• 1:19:50
  while they do it, yeah. Yeah, I can say that.
• 1:19:53
  Thank you, Ricardo Kelly. Ricardo Kelly can follow things.
• 1:20:04
  23 CR 2261 is called You are Ricardo Kelly is.
• 1:20:15
  Wow, you were. This is your first appearance in
• 1:20:22
  this case, right? You were invited over two years
• 1:20:26
  ago. You must have moved around.
• 1:20:29
  Yes. You're still at 11514.
• 1:20:33
  No. So.
• 1:20:35
  What? What's your address?
• 1:20:37
  947 W 13th St. Hold on Tex, you're shooting
• 1:20:45
  fast in 77. 640.
• 1:21:02
  I have 947 W 13th. Yes, OK.
• 1:21:14
  You're no longer at 11514. No, Sir, That was it.
• 1:21:20
  That was the problem, you know. Yeah.
• 1:21:29
  No. OK.
• 1:21:33
  Once again, this carries with it if convicted up to two years in
• 1:21:38
  the state jail. I don't see any prior
• 1:21:44
  convictions on this. Are you getting a lawyer?
• 1:21:47
  I was supposed to be assigned a court appointed lawyer.
• 1:21:50
  I'm sorry I. Was assigned a court appointed
• 1:21:52
  lawyer. Why?
• 1:21:54
  I've been working since the day I turned 16.
• 1:21:56
  I paid my own way. Everybody else.
• 1:21:58
  If I can do it, anybody can do it.
• 1:22:00
  The people, the taxpayers are not going to pay your way.
• 1:22:03
  Are you able to work? OK, I expect you to work and pay
• 1:22:07
  for your lawyer. That's what we all have to do.
• 1:22:09
  You're not going to rewrite the system.
• 1:22:12
  You've got to go and get a job and pay for your lawyer.
• 1:22:15
  Now we're going to get you somebody appointed, but you're
• 1:22:18
  going to pay for the for the people of this county to
• 1:22:21
  represent you. They're the ones burdened.
• 1:22:24
  They're the ones carrying the burden, but you're the one
• 1:22:26
  charged with a crime. They shouldn't be.
• 1:22:29
  Is that too hard to figure out? It's really not.
• 1:22:32
  You made a mistake, according to the grand jury, just like
• 1:22:35
  everybody makes mistakes. You've got to fix it and it's
• 1:22:38
  your responsibility. Just like it's mine and I have
• 1:22:42
  to put gas in the car. The person parked next to me
• 1:22:45
  doesn't pay for it. We've got to take care of our
• 1:22:48
  own obligations, and this is an obligation.
• 1:22:50
  I expect you, if you're able to work, to go out, get a job and
• 1:22:55
  pay the people back who are going to be footing the bill for
• 1:22:58
  your representation. You understand that's not.
• 1:23:01
  It's just the way it works every.
• 1:23:05
  This it's. Not a free ride system.
• 1:23:09
  Somebody's paying for everything.
• 1:23:12
  When's the taxpayers include What?
• 1:23:13
  You are included in that. That's why you got to do your
• 1:23:17
  part, like we all do. When was the last time you were
• 1:23:21
  employed? I'm employed.
• 1:23:23
  Oh, good. What are you doing?
• 1:23:28
  OK. Have you ever worked with them
• 1:23:32
  before that company before? They have a pretty good deal
• 1:23:36
  going. And your manager?
• 1:23:40
  Well, you've got responsibility. OK, How much you what do you
• 1:23:43
  make an hour over there, though? I'm sorry, $12.00.
• 1:23:49
  OK, that's 25. That's 25 annual.
• 1:23:56
  One thing you need, he needs to fill out one of these incomes
• 1:24:10
  financial forms that's not in here and that has to always be
• 1:24:16
  in the world when somebody is not represented, is not
• 1:24:24
  represented by a repaying lawyer.
• 1:24:26
  So you're going to have to fill that out.
• 1:24:29
  We'll look at it and we're going to get you some help in until
• 1:24:33
  you can hire somebody. We're going to get you some help
• 1:24:38
  to represent you, one of the public defenders here, OK, And
• 1:24:42
  we'll introduce you to him. Fill that out first, OK, Right
• 1:24:45
  over there in the box. OK.
• 1:24:50
  We're going to just reset this for a review in about four
• 1:24:58
  weeks. Yes, for Nelson.
• 1:25:03
  All right, friends, what do you say we try something new,
• 1:25:06
  something different? So we're going to go to
• 1:25:09
  Dickinson County, Michigan. This is the Iron Mountain area.
• 1:25:12
  So like the very West side of the Upper Peninsula.
• 1:25:15
  This is Judge Julie Lacoste. Let's see what she's all about.
• 1:25:20
  Carlson Prosecuting Attorney's Office is not here in this
• 1:25:24
  morning of their own choosing. We're set for a sentencing.
• 1:25:28
  We did get the assessment, excuse me, to that extent it's
• 1:25:32
  updated, recommending an alcohol highway safety program.
• 1:25:35
  Do you have that update? I didn't see a judge but I was
• 1:25:38
  informed of the same from the probation department.
• 1:25:40
  All right. I have reviewed the assessment.
• 1:25:43
  It was done by Vanessa Larson. In respect to the matter then,
• 1:25:47
  is there anything factually inaccurate in the report?
• 1:25:51
  No your. Honor anything that you need to
• 1:25:54
  update or correct. No, Your Honor.
• 1:25:56
  Have you been over it with Miss Kitsman?
• 1:25:58
  I have. All right.
• 1:25:59
  Anything you'd like to tell the court before the court imposes a
• 1:26:03
  sentence on behalf of Miss Kitsman?
• 1:26:05
  John, if I may just briefly. You may.
• 1:26:06
  Your Honor, thank you, Your Honor.
• 1:26:08
  Miss Kitsman appears before this honorable court, as the court
• 1:26:10
  can see, for a first time interaction with law enforcement
• 1:26:14
  in our first criminal conviction.
• 1:26:16
  Your Honor, I, I, I referenced it to Miss Kitsman and I, I've
• 1:26:20
  heard you say if I had a dollar every time you said it, probably
• 1:26:22
  I said it as well. Good people make bad decisions.
• 1:26:26
  Miss Kitsman was out this night and celebrating and things got
• 1:26:30
  away from her. Very obviously, your Honor, she
• 1:26:33
  consumed much more than she intended.
• 1:26:35
  She consumed much more than she should have to drive, your
• 1:26:38
  Honor, frankly, she things got away from her and the but the
• 1:26:43
  other thing judging it and I was chatting with her about this as
• 1:26:46
  well. When we see high BA CS, it, it
• 1:26:49
  causes us pause, causes us to come some concern.
• 1:26:53
  And I've discussed with her that concern because of the high
• 1:26:57
  level, you know, even though perhaps that night she made a
• 1:27:00
  bad decision, it, it, there was a history that led up to it be
• 1:27:04
  able to get to that level. And the way I've explained it
• 1:27:07
  and chatted with her, we've had discussions about it.
• 1:27:11
  Sometimes these things happen and you have it.
• 1:27:14
  It allows us to take an inventory of of kind of where
• 1:27:16
  we're at in our lives and, and how we got there.
• 1:27:19
  And I've portrayed this and talked with Miss Kitzman, We've
• 1:27:22
  discussed it and taking this as an opportunity to to do an
• 1:27:25
  evaluation and take a step back. She's going to have to do that
• 1:27:29
  because her license is going to have these restrictions with the
• 1:27:31
  high BAC is the court knows and she knows she'd have a
• 1:27:34
  suspension followed by a full year of of having an interlock
• 1:27:38
  in her car. So she'll have a daily reminder
• 1:27:40
  every time she starts that vehicle of her actions that
• 1:27:43
  evening and how things got away from her.
• 1:27:46
  And because things got away from her, she has ramifications,
• 1:27:49
  judge. Thankfully nobody got hurt her
• 1:27:52
  included her fiance as well. There was a parked car, nobody
• 1:27:58
  was in it, but it was damaged and it could have been much
• 1:28:01
  worse. And that was the first thing
• 1:28:03
  that she made the comments me when she called me was thank
• 1:28:05
  goodness nobody got hurt. I can't believe I'm in this
• 1:28:08
  situation. I don't know how I got here.
• 1:28:10
  This was your honors. All that being said, I think
• 1:28:15
  that the lack of criminal history, she's not a 21 year old
• 1:28:19
  young lady making a foolish decisions.
• 1:28:22
  She knows better and and this is just a simply an opportunity for
• 1:28:25
  her to make amends with herself, the community, this court or
• 1:28:29
  family and make better decisions in the future.
• 1:28:31
  Because next time, next time there will be bigger
• 1:28:34
  ramifications, including mandatory jail license
• 1:28:37
  sanctions, but also somebody gets hurt.
• 1:28:40
  The fallout could be much, much more dramatic, your Honor, based
• 1:28:44
  upon the lack of criminal history, based upon the isolated
• 1:28:47
  circumstances. And I think also important.
• 1:28:50
  I watched the entire video. Of course, she was very
• 1:28:52
  cooperative with the officers, very respectful, very courteous
• 1:28:57
  with them. She acknowledged, as noted in
• 1:29:00
  the incident report, that she drank too much alcohol.
• 1:29:03
  She shouldn't surprise me. So I think she immediately
• 1:29:06
  realized her bad decision making that evening.
• 1:29:10
  Your Honor, I think the recommendations are appropriate.
• 1:29:12
  I think they're in line with what we normally see, what the
• 1:29:15
  situation like. For some of her steps, we'd ask
• 1:29:18
  the court to follow the recommendations.
• 1:29:21
  I anticipate that the court would adopt A silver link based
• 1:29:24
  on the level of the BAC I would notice the court notes.
• 1:29:28
  So she will have the interlock in her vehicle separate from
• 1:29:31
  this. But if the court perhaps
• 1:29:34
  considers that a bit, I don't know if that if the suspension
• 1:29:36
  is started already, but she will have a sober link in her vehicle
• 1:29:40
  as well. So I'd ask the court to take
• 1:29:43
  that into consideration when handing down its ultimate.
• 1:29:45
  Sentence. Thank you, Judge.
• 1:29:47
  Yes, Miss Kitzman, anything you'd like to add before the
• 1:29:51
  court imposes a sentence? All right, All right, then.
• 1:29:59
  Concerning the matter, Miss Kitzman, I think your attorney
• 1:30:02
  has hit the nail on the head in respect to the matter.
• 1:30:05
  You're extraordinarily lucky that nobody was injured.
• 1:30:09
  Your fiance wasn't injured. Nobody was in the vehicle that
• 1:30:12
  you had. But as I read the police report,
• 1:30:16
  you were quite well inebriated and really should not have been
• 1:30:21
  behind the wheel of the vehicle. So you have to make smarter
• 1:30:25
  choices from here on out, especially working in the field
• 1:30:29
  that you do. You're going to have to abstain,
• 1:30:32
  not just while you're on probation, but you've got to
• 1:30:35
  make sure that you don't make this mistake again, because one
• 1:30:40
  is tough, right? 2 is almost insurmountable at
• 1:30:44
  times, especially if you value driving privileges.
• 1:30:50
  So in respect to the matter, then make sure that you abide by
• 1:30:54
  the terms of your sober link. You know, just the fact that in
• 1:30:59
  a environment like this, you're no longer able to use your
• 1:31:03
  remote starter because you're not you have to be there to blow
• 1:31:06
  into that machine. So it's all you know, it's all
• 1:31:11
  part and parcel of the the hole that you've dug.
• 1:31:16
  Now, this is not a hole you can't dig out from.
• 1:31:18
  This is something that you pick yourself up, you brush yourself
• 1:31:22
  off. And you move.
• 1:31:23
  Forward, having learned some lessons in life, What I like to
• 1:31:27
  say is that nobody's perfect. We all make mistakes, but it's
• 1:31:31
  how we fix our mistakes that define us.
• 1:31:33
  So make sure that you just be smarter than this and that you
• 1:31:37
  make better choices. All right.
• 1:31:40
  I know you can do that. All right, I think the
• 1:31:43
  recommendations are appropriate. I'm going to place you on a nine
• 1:31:46
  month term of probation. There's a $300 oversight fee.
• 1:31:50
  This is one of those cases that is subject to early discharge
• 1:31:56
  from probation. So you can talk to Mr. Carlson
• 1:32:00
  about it if you don't understand the advisor.
• 1:32:03
  Fines and costs are $640. There's a $75 prosecutor's fee
• 1:32:09
  100 and restitution payable to Kingsford Public Safety Crime
• 1:32:14
  Fund fee is $75.00. The justice system assessment
• 1:32:17
  fee is 50. It's a total of $1240.
• 1:32:23
  The recommendation is for 150 a month starting March 1st.
• 1:32:28
  Can you do that? I have.
• 1:32:29
  Money with. Me.
• 1:32:32
  All right, good for you. I'll order that.
• 1:32:34
  That be paid in full today, then 20 days in jail, one day credit,
• 1:32:39
  19 days suspended if you complete 38 days on the sober
• 1:32:44
  link. I see them as independent and
• 1:32:47
  distinct of one another in regard to the vehicle.
• 1:32:51
  That's going to be something you need to do each time you step in
• 1:32:55
  the vehicle. However, the sober link is
• 1:32:57
  something you're going to be blowing into approximately 6
• 1:33:00
  times a day for the next 38 days.
• 1:33:05
  All right, I'm going to order that you attend the Alcohol
• 1:33:08
  Highway Safety Program as recommended.
• 1:33:11
  In addition, like I said, to the general terms of your probation,
• 1:33:15
  which are listed as one through 7 on the top, the following are
• 1:33:19
  specific to you. You must absolutely abstain from
• 1:33:23
  the possession or consumption of alcoholic liquor in any form
• 1:33:28
  whatsoever. You may not use, possess or
• 1:33:32
  consume any non prescribed controlled substances or
• 1:33:35
  prescription medicines that are not prescribed to you.
• 1:33:39
  You must avoid all people that you sell or possess those items.
• 1:33:43
  Do you have a medicinal marijuana card?
• 1:33:46
  All right, unless or until further order of the court, do
• 1:33:50
  not use or possess either medicinal or recreational
• 1:33:53
  marijuana. You're subject to random breath
• 1:33:56
  tests and drug screens while you're on probation.
• 1:34:00
  Refrain from entering or remaining in places of business
• 1:34:04
  where alcohol is sold for use therein, excluding during the
• 1:34:09
  course of your employment and during your hours of employment
• 1:34:13
  at the TNT Steakhouse. If I didn't say it, random
• 1:34:21
  breath tests and drug screens, do you understand the terms of
• 1:34:25
  your probation and did you understand your appeal rights?
• 1:34:30
  I. Did all right then, Mr. Carlson
• 1:34:33
  anything? No.
• 1:34:34
  You're wrong. Thank you.
• 1:34:35
  All right. Good luck to you, Miss Kitzman.
• 1:34:38
  Please wait for your paperwork. OK, quick interruption here.
• 1:34:45
  First off, Michael in the chat says it's a cute little
• 1:34:49
  courtroom, like baby's first courtroom.
• 1:34:53
  I. Think it's a good way to put it.
• 1:34:56
  I thought it'd be fun to go up there though.
• 1:34:57
  It's, you know, the Iron Mountain area isn't exactly
• 1:35:00
  booming metropolis. So I thought it'd be fun to take
• 1:35:02
  a look at and kind of see what was going on up there.
• 1:35:04
  It just popped up in my feed yesterday and I watched a little
• 1:35:07
  bit of that court offline and it's kind of interesting.
• 1:35:11
  Now let's address Barbara real quick.
• 1:35:13
  So First off, Barbara, thank you for gifting 5 memberships.
• 1:35:16
  But you said, I hope this makes up for the pre show.
• 1:35:19
  I want to be clear to everyone of you.
• 1:35:22
  First off, none of you owe me anything, OK?
• 1:35:24
  And we don't apologize here at TCF for anything.
• 1:35:27
  For those of you who are in the pre show, you know what we're
• 1:35:29
  talking about. For the rest of you, it doesn't
• 1:35:32
  specifically matter the details. But Barbara, you didn't do
• 1:35:37
  anything wrong and in fact, you might have clued us into
• 1:35:41
  something that is worthwhile. I've got my eyes on it.
• 1:35:46
  Nothing's happening yet, but if it does and it makes sense,
• 1:35:50
  we'll take a look at it. I feel bad, though, that there
• 1:35:54
  is a YouTube actor out there who's taking advantage of
• 1:35:58
  people, and more importantly, he's taking advantage of the
• 1:36:02
  names of the name of a good man to boost himself up.
• 1:36:07
  And that bothers me. But I'm not bothered by anything
• 1:36:10
  with you or any one of you out in the audience.
• 1:36:12
  You guys are the greatest. You're the best, and Barbara,
• 1:36:15
  you are the most helpful person on this channel, bar none.
• 1:36:19
  You're out there posting links and keeping everybody informed,
• 1:36:21
  and you're doing all these things.
• 1:36:22
  So don't apologize for anything ever.
• 1:36:25
  There's no need, OK? We're good.
• 1:36:27
  Trust me. And I appreciate everything you
• 1:36:29
  do. I don't.
• 1:36:31
  I probably don't say it enough more because I don't know how to
• 1:36:34
  express it enough, I guess. But this would not be the place
• 1:36:38
  it is without people like you, Barbara.
• 1:36:40
  So don't worry about it. We're good.
• 1:36:42
  Let's let's go to a place where maybe people aren't good.
• 1:36:48
  Let's go to the parole board. 22nd the time is nine O 6 My
• 1:36:55
  name is Carolyn Stakenson. I'll be the chair of panel
• 1:36:58
  today. My colleagues are joining us by
• 1:37:01
  Zoom, Mr. Steve Prater and Miss Gerald Ledoux.
• 1:37:08
  Is there any staff where you're at, Sir?
• 1:37:11
  At Orleans Parish Prison, right. Outside the.
• 1:37:17
  Door pardon. They have one, they have one
• 1:37:19
  outside the outside the door. OK, they're right outside the
• 1:37:26
  door. They can come in and introduce
• 1:37:27
  themselves for the record. Yeah, you want me to call them
• 1:37:32
  ma'am? That's that's OK.
• 1:37:34
  Normally they're inside. OK, well will you introduce
• 1:37:39
  yourself and DLC number for the record please?
• 1:37:42
  My name is Sean Dennis. My DLC number is 729679.
• 1:37:48
  OK. And to repeat, our remote
• 1:37:50
  location is at Orlean Justice Center.
• 1:37:57
  Do you have a questionnaire in front of you, Sir?
• 1:38:00
  A questionnaire. No, ma'am.
• 1:38:02
  Yeah, they'll put it up on the screen.
• 1:38:04
  Did. You say, ma'am.
• 1:38:12
  They're going to put it up on the screen.
• 1:38:14
  Yeah, I have. I have.
• 1:38:15
  I have that paper. I'm sorry, I have nothing.
• 1:38:17
  OK. Well, based upon your answers to
• 1:38:19
  this questionnaire, you are not eligible today for appointed
• 1:38:23
  council. All right.
• 1:38:30
  You have people here today and support in support of you.
• 1:38:34
  I miss Miguel and then I miss Judy Palm, which is your mother.
• 1:38:41
  The person taking leave for your case today is Miss Jerry Ledoux.
• 1:38:48
  She will answer your question. She will ask you the questions
• 1:38:52
  on your revocation sheet. You won't answer guilty or not
• 1:38:56
  guilty, with or without a statement.
• 1:38:59
  Miss Ledoux. Did you want him to start off
• 1:39:01
  with his support first? No, ma'am.
• 1:39:04
  I'd like to get the pleading out of the way.
• 1:39:09
  Mr. Dennis, I'm going to read the allegations against you and
• 1:39:15
  then give me a plea of guilty. Guilty with a statement or not
• 1:39:19
  guilty condition #4 says you refer you failed to refrain from
• 1:39:25
  criminal activity. You were arrested 8/29/25 by
• 1:39:31
  NOPD and booked with domestic abuse battery with child
• 1:39:37
  endangerment that there were marks on the victim's body and
• 1:39:45
  on 10/28/25 the charges were refused because the victim
• 1:39:53
  recanted. So what is your plea to that?
• 1:39:58
  Not. Guilden number six, you failed
• 1:40:02
  to work at a job that was approved and you could not
• 1:40:06
  provide evidence of employment. What is your plea not?
• 1:40:11
  Guilden. #10 you are currently behind $758 paying your fees for
• 1:40:23
  the Department of Correction. How do you believe?
• 1:40:28
  OK, so you had a job? Yes, ma'am.
• 1:40:38
  And your parole officer knew you had this job.
• 1:40:42
  Yes, ma'am. Was it a job that you got a
• 1:40:45
  paycheck for? That's not.
• 1:40:51
  So why would he say you didn't have a job?
• 1:40:54
  I don't have an idea, ma'am. I was working at the blue crab
• 1:40:58
  on a Lake Shore, on a Lake Shore front.
• 1:41:01
  Make sure I drive. I was working at the blue crab.
• 1:41:03
  Ain't knew even though I had a job.
• 1:41:07
  OK. And you're not behind in your
• 1:41:09
  fees. Yes, I'm behind in my fees.
• 1:41:13
  Why did you plead not guilty? Because at the same time, like
• 1:41:17
  it's, it's like I was, I was paying bills, you know, I was
• 1:41:20
  providing for myself At the same time, it was not, it was, it
• 1:41:23
  wasn't that I wasn't trying to pay him, but it was like, you
• 1:41:27
  know, it's hard out there and I wasn't getting paid them.
• 1:41:31
  Wasn't like you were not trying to pay me.
• 1:41:34
  Didn't pay them though, right? I couldn't pay him at that, out
• 1:41:38
  of the homeless at the same time.
• 1:41:40
  OK, you're you're the victim of this crime is on with us today
• 1:41:50
  and I would like to have Miss magaz now.
• 1:41:53
  Miguel speak to the panel. Good morning.
• 1:41:58
  Morning. What would you like to say?
• 1:42:04
  I was just wanted to say that it was a misunderstanding.
• 1:42:10
  First of all, it was a little it started off as just a heated
• 1:42:13
  argument. He did grab me, but it wasn't to
• 1:42:16
  hurt me. I don't feel he would hurt me.
• 1:42:19
  I've been I've been, I've been dealing with strong for a while
• 1:42:24
  now. And this is the first time it
• 1:42:26
  ever got that escalated to where we had to even get, you know,
• 1:42:33
  calling call the police or anything like that.
• 1:42:36
  And it wasn't intentional that I felt it like I was upset.
• 1:42:40
  I was just upset and emotions and passion.
• 1:42:43
  When you're upset, you're drilling rushes just was a
• 1:42:46
  misunderstanding. As far as the child
• 1:42:49
  endangerment, my daughter was not present for the physical
• 1:42:53
  when he grabbed me. He was she was not there with
• 1:42:55
  that. She just was there present when
• 1:42:57
  the argument. She entered the room when the
• 1:42:59
  argument was escalated. That was that was the only
• 1:43:02
  involvement she had. As far as Sean, he was working
• 1:43:08
  and also he was supposed to start CDL classes with job one
• 1:43:13
  this January and he was starting that process as well.
• 1:43:17
  He was doing good. I didn't want this situation to
• 1:43:19
  defer him from being on the right track because he was.
• 1:43:25
  So did you file a false police report?
• 1:43:28
  Because it wasn't. It was idiot.
• 1:43:31
  Yeah, it was, it was. I was upset and he was great.
• 1:43:34
  He grabbed me. It was aggressively, but it
• 1:43:37
  wasn't to where it hurt me. I didn't explain everything at
• 1:43:41
  that moment because I was just frustrated and just wanted to
• 1:43:45
  just of him to just go at that moment.
• 1:43:47
  But I, I, I wasn't trying to. I didn't want him to leave, but
• 1:43:51
  I did. He did grab me, but I didn't
• 1:43:52
  want, it wasn't to where he tried to physically hurt me.
• 1:43:55
  He didn't hit me or punch me or anything of that nature and they
• 1:44:01
  said strangulation. So he grabbed well, he just he
• 1:44:04
  grabbed my shirt and I did have a mark, but to A to a dead coup
• 1:44:08
  for that. I was on in the car with a
• 1:44:11
  friend and she had to do a sudden stop and the seat belt
• 1:44:14
  was around my neck and I did have a little line going down my
• 1:44:18
  neck and I and I that probably by me not explaining that
• 1:44:22
  because in the heat of the moment that wasn't running
• 1:44:23
  through my head. I think that was documented as
• 1:44:28
  as if he but he just grabbed the top of my shirt and it wasn't
• 1:44:30
  like a strangulation. It was just a grab and, you
• 1:44:34
  know, and lift me up. That was it wasn't a hit or
• 1:44:38
  anything of that nature. OK.
• 1:44:41
  We also have Judy Palmer, your mother.
• 1:44:46
  Ma'am, if you'd like to make a statement to the panel.
• 1:44:53
  I'm sorry you're on mute. Good morning.
• 1:44:56
  How you doing? Good morning.
• 1:44:58
  Good. I just want to reiterate Sean
• 1:45:01
  was on the right path. He was working at the time this
• 1:45:05
  incident happened with him and his fiance, which I don't know
• 1:45:09
  what happened, what transpired because I wasn't there.
• 1:45:12
  But I'm all I'm speaking on his behalf that he was working.
• 1:45:16
  And before then I've moved to Texas.
• 1:45:19
  And when Sean, I spoke with his parole officer, you know,
• 1:45:23
  stating to try, you know, to get him out the environment, you
• 1:45:27
  know, living in New Orleans because he no longer had have
• 1:45:31
  like, you know, immediate relative that he can, you know,
• 1:45:34
  stay with like Forrest me so he can start all over again.
• 1:45:38
  You know, his parole officer, you know, gave him a hard time
• 1:45:42
  stating that he has to stay in Louisiana.
• 1:45:44
  And that's the reason why, you know, he's still in Louisiana,
• 1:45:47
  you know, trying to work, you know, but he's he's been
• 1:45:51
  working. He's been trying to be a model,
• 1:45:54
  you know, person living in society and, you know, working
• 1:45:58
  like, I don't know why his parole officer know he had a
• 1:46:01
  job. So I don't know why he and he
• 1:46:03
  put that in documentation that he was not working and, you
• 1:46:07
  know, working for a certain company, you don't get paid that
• 1:46:10
  much money. And you know, he even integrate.
• 1:46:14
  I told him myself, you know, if I have to, you know, I probably
• 1:46:17
  can help you, you know, sometime, you know, pay your
• 1:46:21
  fee. But at the time, you know, I'm
• 1:46:23
  struggling. He's he's trying to, you know,
• 1:46:25
  start over in society because he's really starting over.
• 1:46:29
  So it's not like that he's going to be able to like pay
• 1:46:32
  everything. I'll give him a big payment, but
• 1:46:35
  he was on the path of trying to, you know, paid his, his parole
• 1:46:39
  officer money, but he was working and, and stuff.
• 1:46:42
  The parole officer know he had a job and, you know, he's was, he
• 1:46:46
  was trying to be a model citizen, you know, after, you
• 1:46:49
  know, they released him. OK, I, I will let you know it's
• 1:46:53
  not the fault of the parole officer that he couldn't go to
• 1:46:56
  Texas. There's certain process.
• 1:47:00
  Mr. I, I'm sorry, but I had spoke with, you know, the
• 1:47:04
  Department of Texas and he, you know, he would say, you know,
• 1:47:07
  you know, they had told me the process and everything.
• 1:47:10
  OK, good. OK.
• 1:47:12
  Mr. Dennis, have have you started an Interstate compact to
• 1:47:19
  go to Texas? No, I never, I never received
• 1:47:23
  one. I remember Royal, we talked
• 1:47:25
  about it. He was saying that he had to
• 1:47:27
  send paperwork off to Texas and then take up to 2-3 months for
• 1:47:32
  the for the happen for for the INTERPAC to happen.
• 1:47:37
  OK. So did you pay the fees for the
• 1:47:41
  Interstate compact to be initiated?
• 1:47:44
  Never. Told me about a fee for
• 1:47:45
  Interstate compact. OK, Mr. Where do you want to
• 1:47:51
  live? Where do you want to spring?
• 1:47:55
  Spring. Marine, Texas.
• 1:47:59
  So. So what is your relationship
• 1:48:01
  currently with the victim? Well, that's that's my child's
• 1:48:06
  mother at the at the at the time, man, you know, and I love
• 1:48:10
  her. I'm not going to lie.
• 1:48:13
  I'm in love with her. So you know, man, man, you know,
• 1:48:16
  we, we getting we, we, we, we fussed and we're not.
• 1:48:18
  But and then a deal like this this, I love her.
• 1:48:22
  OK, so here's the dilemma. If you go to Texas, you can't
• 1:48:28
  come back and forth between Texas and Louisiana without
• 1:48:32
  permission. So where do you want to live?
• 1:48:42
  Texas. OK, well, OK, I have.
• 1:48:51
  I feel like I know what I'd I'd like to do, so I'd entertain my
• 1:48:57
  colleagues to ask any questions they may have.
• 1:49:00
  Mr. Prater. OK, Miss McGill.
• 1:49:14
  Miguel. Is that the way you say your
• 1:49:16
  name? It's Miguel.
• 1:49:20
  Miguel. Miss McGill.
• 1:49:22
  Hear me? I'm just curious about the fact
• 1:49:26
  according to the report you said he took you told the police he
• 1:49:29
  choked you to you almost passed out.
• 1:49:32
  Well, no. He, I remember what I recall
• 1:49:34
  when he asked me did I lose conscience or anything, I told
• 1:49:37
  him that it wasn't aggressive. I mean, it wasn't forceful
• 1:49:40
  enough for me to lose conscience.
• 1:49:41
  He just grabbed me. But that's not what the report
• 1:49:45
  says you told the police. Well, I don't know if they
• 1:49:49
  misunderstood, but I from initial, my initial conversation
• 1:49:54
  that I remember with them, I they asked me specifically was I
• 1:49:58
  did I lose breath or anything? And I described that I didn't.
• 1:50:01
  I didn't. It wasn't enough force for me to
• 1:50:03
  lose breath or pass. OK, so you got the marks, you
• 1:50:08
  got the marks on your neck and all that from a car wreck.
• 1:50:11
  Now I have one line. It was a my.
• 1:50:17
  I was in the car and they made a sudden stop and the seat belt
• 1:50:19
  was pressed on my neck. But it wasn't a mark, it was
• 1:50:23
  just that mark on my neck, a line going down.
• 1:50:26
  From a day or two before. Yes.
• 1:50:30
  Was it a car wreck or just to stop?
• 1:50:32
  The no. It was almost, it could have
• 1:50:33
  been, but she was good thing she was vigilant enough she was able
• 1:50:37
  to stop it, but it it came pretty.
• 1:50:40
  Close. To where the seat belt was
• 1:50:44
  pretty, you know, tight around. OK, I don't have any other
• 1:50:49
  question. Well, I'm just going to follow
• 1:50:52
  Mr. Prater for a for a moment here.
• 1:50:56
  You know, they had a body camera on you.
• 1:50:59
  They were videotaping everything you said.
• 1:51:01
  So we know exactly what you said to the police officer and it was
• 1:51:05
  that, no, he did not choke you to unconsciousness.
• 1:51:08
  But yes, he was strangling you. And then the other thing was the
• 1:51:13
  child, the child was in the video trying to explain what she
• 1:51:17
  had seen also. So everything now that you're
• 1:51:22
  discounting was exactly what the police officer wrote in his or
• 1:51:27
  her report and and it back what the body camera showed us you
• 1:51:35
  saying to the police officer. So you are telling a very
• 1:51:39
  different story than what you told them.
• 1:51:42
  Well, I'm not. I probably was more as far as my
• 1:51:47
  my, my daughter saying what she was just expressing when she saw
• 1:51:51
  the. Verbal.
• 1:51:52
  She didn't see anything physical, she didn't express
• 1:51:54
  anything physical. And as far as me not explaining,
• 1:51:58
  I maybe was not verbalizing myself at the moment because I
• 1:52:02
  was upset, but I did let them know that if I wasn't
• 1:52:07
  unconscious, he did grab me by my shirt and the shirt was
• 1:52:09
  around my neck, but his hands didn't physically go around my
• 1:52:12
  neck. Now, you you did answer that.
• 1:52:15
  You said that he did not string and consciousness, but that he
• 1:52:19
  strangled you, but not to the point.
• 1:52:22
  Yeah, that's what I said. I probably miss and choking you.
• 1:52:25
  And that's what's in his report. So report is accurate.
• 1:52:28
  So really, based upon what you're telling us now about a
• 1:52:31
  seat belt being around your neck and none of this really happened
• 1:52:36
  is contrary to what you told police officers who were called
• 1:52:39
  up to your house last night and fearful someone was being
• 1:52:44
  injured. Well, I'm, I'm not saying that
• 1:52:46
  nothing did, didn't happen. I did.
• 1:52:49
  I just wanted to stick the fact that I, I didn't say about the
• 1:52:54
  seat belt or anything at that moment with the cops because it
• 1:52:57
  was a heated moment and I, that wasn't on my mind first, firstly
• 1:53:01
  and secondly, I did. I'm not saying a different story
• 1:53:04
  because everything happened. I just it wasn't as intense as
• 1:53:09
  it probably I probably was very upset.
• 1:53:12
  So it was more, I probably described it as a little more
• 1:53:15
  intense than what it was because I didn't wanted this to defer
• 1:53:19
  him because it wasn't of a situation to where it was I was
• 1:53:24
  he's violent towards me on a database.
• 1:53:27
  This is a norm for me. That's why I just wanted to
• 1:53:30
  express that because I don't want that to be a factor in him
• 1:53:33
  not being able to be free because that didn't happen that
• 1:53:37
  way. I just wanted to convey that
• 1:53:39
  that's why I came because I didn't want that to be a factor
• 1:53:43
  in him not being able to continue to do what he was doing
• 1:53:47
  because he I got you. I got you.
• 1:53:49
  I'm going to pass it to Miss Ladue so that she can speak and
• 1:53:53
  I'm going to. I'm going to go ahead and vote
• 1:53:55
  because I do believe that there were some violence.
• 1:54:02
  The charges have been dropped. My vote today is in lieu of
• 1:54:08
  revocation to send you to the Domestic Abuse Battery program
• 1:54:15
  within the confines of the Department of Correction.
• 1:54:19
  And that will give you an opportunity to start your
• 1:54:23
  Interstate compact to go to Texas so that you would have no
• 1:54:28
  contact with your victim and supervised transfer for your
• 1:54:35
  child so that you can see your child, but with no contact with
• 1:54:39
  your victim. And so that's my vote today.
• 1:54:50
  OK. So the term is in lieu of
• 1:54:54
  revocation, it means you're not totally revoked.
• 1:54:58
  You would go, you would stay in the Department of Corrections
• 1:55:01
  custody until you've completed a six month, it's about 6 months
• 1:55:07
  domestic abuse battery program and then you would be released.
• 1:55:14
  And I am hoping that you have your Interstate compact taken
• 1:55:18
  care of by then, but that you would have no contact with your
• 1:55:23
  victim, Mr. Prater. Hey, that that sounds, that
• 1:55:35
  sounds reasonable. My initial thought was to go
• 1:55:39
  ahead and revoke him because I think that lady's lying.
• 1:55:43
  And in fact, I think it's pretty evident that she's lying and I
• 1:55:47
  think he's got violent tendencies, but maybe this
• 1:55:49
  domestic abuse battery will will help him by going through this
• 1:55:57
  this extended period in of incarceration.
• 1:56:02
  So I concur with Miss Ledoux, bottom line.
• 1:56:07
  I also concur with Miss Ledoux because certainly I agree with
• 1:56:13
  Mr. Prater also. So as of today, Sir, you have
• 1:56:19
  then in lieu of revocation you will enroll, you will be
• 1:56:24
  enrolled into the it's a long term program up to 26 weeks
• 1:56:30
  domestic violence Bender program and then you would would have no
• 1:56:36
  contact with your victim. So this concludes your hearing
• 1:56:40
  at 9:26. OK, friends.
• 1:56:45
  So Austin just put in the chat. He wonders if perjury could be
• 1:56:49
  applied to a witness in these hearings.
• 1:56:51
  So I did some quick research and here's the answer to that.
• 1:56:56
  Usually, yes. The first question is, are they
• 1:57:00
  sworn in? Now?
• 1:57:01
  We never see them in Louisiana being sworn in on camera, but it
• 1:57:05
  doesn't mean they're not sworn in ahead of the proceedings.
• 1:57:09
  So that would be the first question.
• 1:57:11
  If they are sworn in, then yes, because it's considered an
• 1:57:15
  official proceeding, an administrative hearing.
• 1:57:18
  So making a false statement can constitute perjury.
• 1:57:22
  Every state would punish that differently.
• 1:57:24
  The most severe one that I was able to quickly find would be
• 1:57:27
  Missouri, where they actually consider it a class D felony to
• 1:57:32
  lie in a parole board hearing. So that's the skinny on that.
• 1:57:37
  Okie, Dokie. Let's go back to Texas.
• 1:57:41
  Jefferson County Judge Stevens. Or permanent information in
• 1:58:00
  stock conditions for it. You can have a.
• 1:58:02
  Suggestion. Call you back then bye.
• 1:58:11
  Thank you. Hold on just a second, what are
• 1:58:33
  we doing today Longus Jed? We literally just got discovery
• 1:58:36
  last week. The state just made her offer a
• 1:58:39
  few years. Finally would like to.
• 1:58:41
  Consider it and visit with me. We got some issues here we'll
• 1:58:45
  have to take out. OK so I'm looking at first of
• 1:59:00
  all you or Kempo, Rochelle Fontenot, Mr. Turk is here
• 1:59:05
  representing, I'm looking at the 2 cases and they were indicted
• 1:59:11
  at different times. The earliest is an indictment.
• 1:59:16
  24 CR 2421. And it alleges that on or about
• 1:59:30
  October 13th, 2024, Jefferson County, Texas, you committed the
• 1:59:35
  state jail felony or credit or debit card abuse by misusing
• 1:59:46
  someone else's Citibank credit. Probably looks like my
• 1:59:50
  daughter's. We want to see my daughter
• 1:59:51
  because I. Kind of.
• 1:59:57
  Want to show 100 agents having to stop?
• 1:59:59
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:00:04
  Still with Mr. Oh, thank you. That's the question I'm.
• 2:00:15
  Going to ask.
• 2:00:49
  Police in that case on that event, based on that event of
• 2:00:55
  October 13th, 2024, filed a prompt will cause affidavit on
• 2:01:07
  November 12th of 2024 after speaking with the defendant who
• 2:01:19
  admitted to using the card. And then that probable cause
• 2:01:29
  affidavit was filed into the records on that date and the
• 2:01:39
  defendant was indicted on December 11th of 24.
• 2:01:53
  However, after that meeting and discussion and probable cause
• 2:01:59
  affidavit was filed again dated November 12th, 2024 after the
• 2:02:10
  police had interviewed the defendant.
• 2:02:17
  Apparently, thereafter she leaves and misuses a credit card
• 2:02:21
  on November 30th of 2024, which would have been about two weeks
• 2:02:31
  after she had met with the police and admitted to using
• 2:02:37
  that credit card. That is what is represented in
• 2:02:41
  25 CR 645 where it is alleged on or about November 30th, 2024,
• 2:02:48
  she misused another credit law. These are both state jail
• 2:02:53
  felonies which carry with it up to two years in the state jail
• 2:03:03
  on each case. What's the violence?
• 2:03:09
  I mean, what's disturbing is, is they caught you, they met with
• 2:03:15
  you thereafter, you do it again, you victimize another person
• 2:03:20
  just a few weeks afterwards. That's dangerous for people.
• 2:03:25
  That's on the 24 case, 24 BCCR. The bond is $30,000.
• 2:03:32
  On. The 20. 5 BCCR.
• 2:03:42
  It's 5. Two knowledge.
• 2:03:46
  Yeah. So the it's quite naturally you
• 2:03:49
  commit another offense after you were put on notice and they make
• 2:03:54
  up much lower bond subsequent. What's obvious, whoever did that
• 2:03:58
  was must not have been aware of what the circumstances were
• 2:04:01
  because that's preposterous. I mean, that doesn't make any
• 2:04:03
  sense. You get you have to pay a higher
• 2:04:08
  price or subsequent mistakes. That's the way the criminal
• 2:04:15
  system works. Otherwise, I mean it would be
• 2:04:17
  who people to keep making more mistakes, they get lesser
• 2:04:21
  punishment. That doesn't make any sense.
• 2:04:24
  Your bond is going to be changed on that second one.
• 2:04:27
  But that is obviously an incorrect and invalid amount
• 2:04:34
  based upon the findings and what supports the evidence in those
• 2:04:42
  case. It's it's preposterous.
• 2:04:44
  And what happened was she goes out and commits the same offense
• 2:04:47
  again and then it's it's one, it's 15% of the value of the
• 2:04:58
  previous bond. That doesn't make any sense.
• 2:05:02
  So our first bond is how much? 30,000 and the on the 2040 CBR.
• 2:05:07
  Your bond, Yeah. The second one, the 25 GCECCR,
• 2:05:11
  it's 5000, yeah. Your bond is not 5000, it's
• 2:05:16
  60,000. On that it's doubled.
• 2:05:18
  It's doubled for the subsequent alleged bad behavior, which is
• 2:05:24
  exactly a photo image of what you were what the police indict
• 2:05:34
  you for and what they investigated and and met with
• 2:05:38
  you and discussed in the first case.
• 2:05:41
  So that's the ruins that some funding for the form and you'll
• 2:05:47
  be taken into custody until you can post that bond.
• 2:05:49
  Plus you're going to have to have AGPS device.
• 2:05:53
  OK, that's good. And you and not make any
• 2:05:57
  financial transactions with any credit cards or any other
• 2:06:03
  financial instruments except through the approval of this
• 2:06:09
  court. You're you're dangerous and
• 2:06:12
  other people on being punished because of your actions.
• 2:06:17
  Judge, are you saying she cannot use her own credit cards as long
• 2:06:21
  as they're her own? But I want to know she's not
• 2:06:24
  charged with that. She's charged with misusing
• 2:06:26
  others. I understand.
• 2:06:27
  I was wondering. That's why we're here.
• 2:06:30
  Yeah. I'm sorry.
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  You know, there's a way to avoid that.
• 2:06:33
  Don't. It's not a debate, ma'am.
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  So you don't get lesser. You don't get a lesser bond.
• 2:06:40
  You can shake your head all day long.
• 2:06:42
  You can shake your head all day long.
• 2:06:44
  But that's defies logic and the law.
• 2:06:47
  That's what the ruling of the court is.
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  She's going to. Her bond is $60,000.
• 2:06:52
  One facer on both faces, the second 10.
• 2:06:55
  Is so some. 90,000 total, yeah. Yeah.
• 2:06:58
  Just she's she's clearly here on an initial docket.
• 2:07:00
  She's been moved. Communicating with me.
• 2:07:02
  She's interested in her case and I don't the bond.
• 2:07:05
  The purpose of a bond is not to punish anyone, is to make sure
• 2:07:08
  that they show up in court. I wrote the article on that.
• 2:07:11
  I know what it is. Yeah, I know what the purpose of
• 2:07:14
  the bond is, but it's also for the safety of the community
• 2:07:18
  otherwise otherwise, you know, somebody can who who does
• 2:07:26
  terrorism can post a bond and continue as continue to do that.
• 2:07:32
  But where is the logic in allowing people to I would
• 2:07:36
  commit subsequent crimes. I can guarantee you this that
• 2:07:40
  misusing credit card hurts the victim far more.
• 2:07:44
  That's going to hurt her because they're stuck with an issue of
• 2:07:47
  dealing with their creditworthiness for the rest of
• 2:07:50
  their life. Almost.
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  We all know the way that works. Think everything was returned,
• 2:07:53
  Judge. Nonetheless, it's in the system.
• 2:07:58
  Well. The defense objects to that
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  objection. Yeah, OK.
• 2:08:01
  That's your objections noted. But her bond is now 60,000.
• 2:08:12
  What are? We going to do before.
• 2:08:15
  Hold on Kendall. Let's take care of this, the
• 2:08:17
  hearing 1st and let's let me finish this before we take her
• 2:08:21
  into custody, OK? Feeling.
• 2:08:22
  She was asking, she was saying she had checked herself into.
• 2:08:25
  Revive Recovery Center in May not.
• 2:08:30
  Not for any other reason. It was before any of this had
• 2:08:35
  come about. It was strictly Judge Stevens
• 2:08:39
  knowing where I was headed and where I was going and the the.
• 2:08:43
  Behaviors. That I was committing, I don't.
• 2:08:45
  Understand what you're saying. Start from the beginning.
• 2:08:47
  Checked myself, it's not anything to to make.
• 2:08:52
  Feel. Like any type of way or anything
• 2:08:55
  like that. I'm just saying like I I've been
• 2:08:58
  trying to do everything that I possibly can to do make sure I
• 2:09:02
  start going back in the right direction.
• 2:09:04
  Yes, I did start on when whenever I relapsed in November.
• 2:09:11
  For what And. You're not completing this
• 2:09:14
  thought and what do you have a substance abuse problem?
• 2:09:17
  Yes, and I did and I, I regained back control of that back in in
• 2:09:22
  May whenever I checked myself in a Revive recovery center and
• 2:09:26
  inpatient treatment and whenever I I was in Orange County jail
• 2:09:32
  serving the time on my MTR, PS Judge or Keen gave me a
• 2:09:38
  reinstatement on my MTRP. And and I was just in hopes that
• 2:09:43
  since I was trying to do the right thing and I was headed
• 2:09:46
  back in the right path, that maybe.
• 2:09:49
  What were you on probation for up there?
• 2:09:51
  I have in 2017 I. What were you on probation for?
• 2:09:55
  For credit card abuse and burglary of a habitation.
• 2:09:59
  OK, you're still. And so we're back here with
• 2:10:02
  credit card abuse again. I got.
• 2:10:05
  Is that right? Stated on Yes, Yes Sir, I.
• 2:10:10
  Think it was in about the same time as those judge VPS.
• 2:10:15
  I. Don't think they're Did the
• 2:10:18
  judge in Orange know about these new cases?
• 2:10:21
  Yes, Sir. Well, that's her decision.
• 2:10:24
  That's not mine. She can do whatever she wants on
• 2:10:28
  those cases that are before her, but generally people who are on
• 2:10:34
  probation for an offense and, and then or there's a motion to
• 2:10:39
  revoke file for committing the same type of offense, they're
• 2:10:42
  pretty much dealt with strictly. And but that's, that's so when
• 2:10:50
  did you go to the recovery center of what year?
• 2:10:56
  The 2000s. Last year. 25 when I have 25.
• 2:11:03
  How long were you there? A month and a half their program
• 2:11:07
  can continue the three months, but I only did not continue the
• 2:11:12
  program for the three months because I I had to report to
• 2:11:16
  probation. OK, so you didn't complete the?
• 2:11:19
  Program. I did complete the program, the
• 2:11:22
  inpatient treatment, yes. How did you do that?
• 2:11:24
  I thought you said you didn't. No, the whole 3 months, there's
• 2:11:28
  30 days of inpatient and then you transition and sober living
• 2:11:32
  in which I did that as well. And however long you stand sober
• 2:11:35
  living is, however long you stand sober living, that's up to
• 2:11:38
  you. Because, like, she's completed
• 2:11:40
  the OK, I want the certification of completion.
• 2:11:43
  Can you give me a copy of that? She needs to be out to help you
• 2:11:46
  do that. No, she's not going.
• 2:11:48
  She's not going to be released except under this court's
• 2:11:51
  orders. She's committing crimes.
• 2:11:53
  Wow, she was on probation apparently, and while she had
• 2:11:58
  committed the same types of conveniences.
• 2:12:00
  With the judge. Entertained 30,000 for both, he
• 2:12:02
  said. The 60 for it's the one is
• 2:12:06
  revoked and the bond is 60 total.
• 2:12:11
  It's total for both. Yeah, OK.
• 2:12:14
  Yeah, that's that's what I did. It's I revoked and then I accept
• 2:12:19
  1 bond for all of them. Thank you, Jeff.
• 2:12:24
  But. What was the substance abuse?
• 2:12:28
  What was the substance you were using?
• 2:12:30
  I'm sorry opiates didn't start with my prescription.
• 2:12:37
  Yes. Started with prescription judge
• 2:12:40
  and then what? Sorry, A prescription of of
• 2:12:44
  norcos for a congenital effusion.
• 2:12:46
  And then what? And then after Norco, I don't
• 2:12:57
  Norco, I guess the the next thing that was available.
• 2:13:17
  OK, he's muted for a little bit more of a private discussion
• 2:13:20
  about that, but while he's muted, couple programming
• 2:13:23
  reminders sidebar tonight, 8:00 PM Eastern, 5:00 PM Pacific.
• 2:13:26
  We are actually basing at least the beginning of our discussion
• 2:13:31
  on the parole hearing. We heard from Louisiana at the
• 2:13:35
  end of the fourth hour yesterday, so that should be
• 2:13:39
  good. And also at the end of the live
• 2:13:43
  here today. So about an hour and 45 minutes
• 2:13:45
  from now, Michael and I will be premiering our pilot episode of
• 2:13:49
  In the Blind. So Michael, friend of the
• 2:13:52
  channel, guest host of TCF Live and sidebar panel member and I
• 2:13:56
  have teamed up and what we're doing there is not court,
• 2:13:59
  although I think we did have a court ish related topic in the
• 2:14:03
  Lightning round if I recall correctly.
• 2:14:06
  But anyways, you want to check that out, all you have to do is
• 2:14:08
  hang here and YouTube will redirect you after this show
• 2:14:11
  into that premiere. We had a lot of fun filming it.
• 2:14:14
  I think it's going to be a great concept and looking forward to
• 2:14:18
  continuing to build that out. This one was pre recorded, but
• 2:14:20
  after this they'll all be live. So that will be fun.
• 2:14:25
  All right, it looks like he's going to stay muted for a little
• 2:14:26
  bit, so let's let's go back to Louisiana.
• 2:14:33
  Today's date is January 22nd. The time is 9:34.
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  My name is Carolyn Stapleton. I'll be serving as the chair
• 2:14:42
  today from DLC headquarters in Baton Rouge.
• 2:14:46
  My colleagues on today's panel, my way of Zoom is Miss Gerald
• 2:14:51
  Ledoux and Mr. Steve Prater. Will you?
• 2:14:57
  Let's see, our remote location is going to be the Orleans
• 2:15:01
  Parish Prison. And will you please introduce
• 2:15:05
  yourself, ma'am, with your DLC number?
• 2:15:08
  How you doing? My name is Veronica Marie
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  Porter. My DLC number is 396879.
• 2:15:18
  That's fine. Thank you very much.
• 2:15:21
  OK. Do you have a questionnaire in
• 2:15:25
  front of you that you would have answered?
• 2:15:27
  Yes, ma'am. OK.
• 2:15:34
  The way the questionnaire was answered is you do qualify for
• 2:15:38
  appointed council, which is present today.
• 2:15:42
  So with that, we're going to continue on with our hearing.
• 2:15:49
  You ready? OK, all right, let's see.
• 2:15:56
  The lead person assigned to your case today is myself, Miss
• 2:16:00
  Stapleton, and I'm going to review your violations and you
• 2:16:05
  can answer guilty or not guilty with a statement.
• 2:16:09
  OK OK so violation for rule #4 you have engaged in criminal
• 2:16:17
  conduct on or before 772025 when you committed the following
• 2:16:24
  offenses, simple battery of the affirm, violation of protective
• 2:16:30
  orders, simple criminal damage to property, criminal
• 2:16:35
  trespassing which was 3 counts and disturbing the peace.
• 2:16:39
  Now the charges have been refused for those what do you
• 2:16:43
  plead? Guilty or not guilty?
• 2:16:44
  Not guilty when the statement have Yes, ma'am.
• 2:16:51
  OK. And then #10 you have failed to
• 2:16:54
  make any supervision fee payments and you are currently
• 2:16:58
  in arrears of $1134. How do you plead?
• 2:17:04
  Guilty with a statement, ma'am. Nothing beautiful because I
• 2:17:08
  didn't have the money. OK.
• 2:17:10
  Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am.
• 2:17:13
  OK, We have speaking today. I'm sure the attorney, would you
• 2:17:20
  like to speak last now? Miss Kershaw, you're going to
• 2:17:26
  speak last today, and we'll have the other people speak before
• 2:17:30
  you in support. I would like to speak first and
• 2:17:34
  then one year is on the call now he could be next and then if
• 2:17:40
  Miss McDonald, could be last. OK, so the paralegal Mr. is that
• 2:17:48
  divorce drain you want to go second?
• 2:17:52
  If he's allowed to speak, I would love for divorce to speak
• 2:17:55
  as well. Yes, and he can go either before
• 2:17:58
  or after Megan. Sorry, yes.
• 2:18:00
  All right. And then the she has her son
• 2:18:03
  also in support. So yes, I will go first one year
• 2:18:07
  can go next. Who is her son?
• 2:18:10
  Divorce can speak, and then Megan can be last.
• 2:18:13
  OK. All right, that works out.
• 2:18:16
  All right. So, Miss Kershaw, will you go
• 2:18:18
  ahead and say what you'd like to say?
• 2:18:21
  Yes. Thank you all so much, so much.
• 2:18:24
  Good morning. I'm Gabrielle Kershaw.
• 2:18:27
  I'm here today with Javoris Jane and Megan McDonald.
• 2:18:31
  Today we are asking for a conditional release be granted
• 2:18:35
  upon Miss Veronica Marie Porter, with those conditions being the
• 2:18:39
  one specifically outlined in the release plan we have today.
• 2:18:43
  I'm Gabrielle Kershaw, an attorney with the Orleans Public
• 2:18:46
  Defendant's office, and I'm here with Megan McDonald, a licensed
• 2:18:49
  social worker and paralegal, Javores Drain.
• 2:18:54
  And also there's a previous attorney, Agent Dubois, who also
• 2:18:57
  worked heavily on this case as well, and I want to acknowledge
• 2:18:59
  his help. We here at the Public Defender's
• 2:19:02
  office are really, really grateful to have worked for Miss
• 2:19:05
  Porter on this case. It's been a joy.
• 2:19:07
  For clarity, Miss Porter pleads guilty with no statement to the
• 2:19:12
  fines and fees. She pleads not guilty to the
• 2:19:14
  allegation of new criminal activity.
• 2:19:17
  First, I want to talk about Miss Porter and who she is as a
• 2:19:21
  person. Second, I will discuss the case
• 2:19:23
  at hand. Next, we will discuss moving
• 2:19:26
  forward what her next chapter and what her next steps look
• 2:19:30
  like. Finally, I will share my message
• 2:19:32
  of support and then I will pass it along to the other people.
• 2:19:36
  Miss Veronica Marie Porter is a mother of four in the native of
• 2:19:39
  New Orleans with family that ties back two generations.
• 2:19:42
  As a child, Miss Porter was primarily raised by her
• 2:19:45
  grandmother who worked 2 jobs to keep the family sustained with
• 2:19:48
  her two siblings, a brother and a sister.
• 2:19:51
  Miss Porter is a mother herself. One of her sons is here on the
• 2:19:54
  call and she understands how much family means to her as that
• 2:19:57
  has been the sole focus of her commitment when given the
• 2:20:00
  opportunity to be released. As a Southern woman, Miss Porter
• 2:20:04
  loves nature, watching TV, and as a Crescent City native
• 2:20:08
  listening to all styles of music.
• 2:20:10
  She also loves cosmetology in here.
• 2:20:13
  At the age of 10, Miss Porter was diagnosed with schizophrenia
• 2:20:17
  and bipolar disorder, as well as paranoia.
• 2:20:20
  However, her family has not been able to ever afford consistent
• 2:20:24
  and formal medical treatment thereafter the formal diagnosis.
• 2:20:28
  All throughout her life, Miss Porter's grandmother was her
• 2:20:31
  primary primary support system of the family who stood in to be
• 2:20:36
  that support for her mental health needs.
• 2:20:39
  When her grandmother died, it became difficult for the family
• 2:20:42
  to fill such big shoes that the grandmother once did.
• 2:20:45
  Due to finances and quality of life barriers, Miss Porter has
• 2:20:49
  not received formal and consistent medical care for her
• 2:20:53
  mental health needs. Rather, the most disheartening
• 2:20:56
  realization that we have come to realize as her defense team,
• 2:21:00
  Miss Porter herself, as well as her family, is that Miss Porter
• 2:21:05
  only receives a fraction of that medical attention when she is
• 2:21:09
  initially arrested, but not throughout the duration of her
• 2:21:13
  incarceration. That is what a pattern that
• 2:21:17
  we've seen, and I do want to call that out.
• 2:21:20
  Miss Porter is someone who slipped through the cracks of
• 2:21:23
  the legal system and has simply started to become viewed as a
• 2:21:27
  number and a case. She's a person with needs that
• 2:21:30
  have been unaddressed in and out of jail because she was not
• 2:21:33
  receiving the medical attention she needed.
• 2:21:36
  And it just became a repeated close circle full of unaddressed
• 2:21:39
  issues at the root. But today we are cutting that
• 2:21:43
  circuit now that we have a release plan in place that
• 2:21:46
  finally does address those mental needs, mental health
• 2:21:49
  needs head on comprehensively in full detail.
• 2:21:53
  Miss Porter would be in much better hands today than she's
• 2:21:56
  ever been if the board gives her an opportunity today to be
• 2:21:59
  released. I know that she can do this.
• 2:22:02
  I've seen her dedication to getting it right.
• 2:22:04
  Miss Porter poses no danger to the community.
• 2:22:07
  In Miss Porter's words, I want to stand on my own 2 feet and
• 2:22:11
  start depending on myself. I quickly want to talk about the
• 2:22:14
  case at hand. The case at hand is one that's
• 2:22:17
  been no prosecuting by the Orleans District Attorney's
• 2:22:20
  Office. This means, in short, that the
• 2:22:21
  case is closed with no conviction rendered and the DA
• 2:22:25
  made that choice on their own. The case itself alleges Miss
• 2:22:28
  Porter violated protective order, civil criminal damage to
• 2:22:31
  property, and battery of the infirm.
• 2:22:33
  These charges did not stick for a reason.
• 2:22:36
  Miss Porter is going to continue leaving Miss Crawley alone as
• 2:22:39
  she's been doing. Miss Porter has also made the
• 2:22:42
  very tough decision to leave her husband alone as well.
• 2:22:45
  Michael Boxey as she has made the decision and come to realize
• 2:22:49
  that if she focuses on herself and puts that investment into
• 2:22:53
  herself as a priority, she's even closer to retiring from her
• 2:22:57
  previous life, putting it permanently behind her.
• 2:23:00
  As well as all of the influences involved.
• 2:23:04
  Other considerations that were made when the DA decides to know
• 2:23:07
  prosperity a case is also the background of the cooperating
• 2:23:11
  witness. Miss Carly also has a criminal
• 2:23:13
  history herself involving drugs. There's nothing to cooperate and
• 2:23:17
  prove beyond a reasonable doubt that any of the allegations is
• 2:23:20
  this police report are true and could be proven at trial.
• 2:23:25
  So these are all of the considerations that the DA has
• 2:23:27
  made when they make a decision to no prosecute the case as they
• 2:23:31
  have done in here. Miss Porter is not a danger to
• 2:23:34
  the community. She wants to turn her life
• 2:23:36
  around and we as her legal team are asking for her to have the
• 2:23:39
  opportunity to do so. So moving forward, Miss Porter
• 2:23:43
  has a release plan. I want to let Megan discuss it
• 2:23:46
  in full detail, making this one of our best social workers at
• 2:23:49
  the public defender's office. But I just want to say really
• 2:23:53
  quickly as well, Miss Porter has expressed her desire to work
• 2:23:58
  with our public defender office on other resource that we had
• 2:24:02
  outside of the release plan itself.
• 2:24:04
  I know she wants to get this right.
• 2:24:06
  I would like to know a vast majority of public defenders
• 2:24:09
  office across the nation do not have social workers, which makes
• 2:24:12
  us very grateful to Megan. So when we have clients that
• 2:24:15
  have hundreds of clients, when we have clients who want to take
• 2:24:19
  control of their lives and use the resources around them by
• 2:24:23
  saying, hey, even though my case is closed or even though I've
• 2:24:27
  gotten released, I still want to work with you all.
• 2:24:30
  Miss Porter has said that. And so for her to share that
• 2:24:32
  with me, that shows like her deep commitment to wanting to
• 2:24:37
  get this right. And I do want to point that out
• 2:24:39
  in favor of Miss Porter. Quickly.
• 2:24:41
  I just want to talk about my relationship with Miss Porter,
• 2:24:45
  my message of support, before I pass it to everyone else down
• 2:24:48
  the line. Since being on this case
• 2:24:51
  representing Miss Porter since October 2025, I can genuinely
• 2:24:55
  say that Miss Porter is such a sweet and loving soul.
• 2:24:59
  I remember when I first came to meet Miss Porter in October, she
• 2:25:03
  had been incarcerated for well over four months.
• 2:25:05
  At this time she expressed how sad and alone that she felt in
• 2:25:09
  hurt because I couldn't touch her.
• 2:25:11
  I couldn't give her the hug that I knew she needed.
• 2:25:14
  She is still a human that feels things and feels them even more
• 2:25:17
  intensively due to her condition.
• 2:25:21
  She the pain that was in her voice, the confusion.
• 2:25:25
  And at the end of our meetings, I will actually put my hand on
• 2:25:28
  the window, and she would put her hand on the window.
• 2:25:31
  And I was our way of connecting. Miss Porter needs that
• 2:25:34
  connection. She will always say thank you
• 2:25:37
  for treating me like a human. That's because Miss Porter is 1.
• 2:25:41
  But she's used to not being treated that way.
• 2:25:44
  In my words, I'm sincerely asking for the parole board to
• 2:25:47
  not demonize Miss Porter for her mental health.
• 2:25:51
  Miss Porter only has love in her heart, and she's very passionate
• 2:25:54
  and means well. She's not a danger to the
• 2:25:56
  community and cares about New Orleans as well.
• 2:25:58
  This is a community that she's from.
• 2:26:01
  She takes pride in this community.
• 2:26:03
  And Miss Porter has shown her grit and dedication to being a
• 2:26:06
  better person, continuing her motherhood.
• 2:26:10
  And they, her family, have gone great lengths to be supportive,
• 2:26:14
  reaching back out frequently to see what they can do to be that
• 2:26:17
  support system for her. Anything they can do to help.
• 2:26:21
  They've always been there to let me know what I need or to look
• 2:26:24
  to give me what I need to work on her case.
• 2:26:28
  This is a big day for everyone. Miss Porter has a 99 year old
• 2:26:31
  grandfather who is not here today because he is a little
• 2:26:34
  older and he's probably asleep right now, whom she's very close
• 2:26:37
  with. And this is the husband to the
• 2:26:39
  grandmother we mentioned at the very beginning.
• 2:26:41
  She wants to continue to spend time with him in his last few
• 2:26:44
  days. And then that's something that's
• 2:26:46
  also really, really important for her.
• 2:26:49
  So while Orleans Parish Jail doesn't offer, does not offer
• 2:26:52
  much opportunity for classes and training, I do want to say that
• 2:26:55
  she's been a self starter and speaking up for this parole
• 2:26:58
  packet and this release plan and is really trying to take control
• 2:27:02
  of her life. I see it in her soul that she's
• 2:27:05
  committed to adhering to her parole conditions.
• 2:27:08
  I also lastly just want to know. Miss Porter has been
• 2:27:10
  incarcerated since July 2025 with no infractions or other
• 2:27:14
  disciplinary actions. While in Orleans Parish Jail,
• 2:27:18
  Miss Porter is often confined to her 5 by 5 cubicle for 23 hours
• 2:27:22
  a day without daily showers and with her mental condition,
• 2:27:25
  that's not the best conducive environment for her and with her
• 2:27:29
  age is also not the proper environment for her.
• 2:27:33
  This is Miss Porter's opportunity to receive these
• 2:27:35
  services now. She's in the best hands now that
• 2:27:39
  she's ever been. And I don't mean that in a
• 2:27:42
  hyperbolic way. I mean that in the most literal
• 2:27:44
  sense. I want to make sure that she's
• 2:27:48
  able to obtain and access these resources now since they're so
• 2:27:52
  comprehensive. She has that support now, and it
• 2:27:55
  would make sense for her to access them now.
• 2:27:58
  Miss Porter takes ownership of her mental health.
• 2:28:00
  She acknowledges that her mental health contributes to this cycle
• 2:28:03
  with the law, and she takes ownership of that and wants to
• 2:28:07
  take control of her life by taking control of her mental
• 2:28:10
  health. I know she can.
• 2:28:11
  Many prayers, lots of love, tears and real love have been
• 2:28:15
  put into this packet in this release plan leading up to
• 2:28:18
  today. I hope you all hear us, all of
• 2:28:21
  us, and I would love to turn it over to the family.
• 2:28:24
  Thank you so much. I'm going to ask you a question
• 2:28:27
  real quick before we turn it over to the family, OK,
• 2:28:30
  referring to the husband between these between these two women,
• 2:28:35
  but she has a different name from the man listed in the
• 2:28:38
  police report. Are they actually married?
• 2:28:41
  What What's the? What is the status there?
• 2:28:44
  My understanding is that they've been together for 11 years, so
• 2:28:49
  there's been a very, if not legally married, there's a
• 2:28:55
  common law marriage. They're together, they've hold
• 2:28:57
  themselves out as to be a married couple.
• 2:29:00
  OK. And she and he's also involved
• 2:29:02
  with Miss Crowley, who is listed as the victim and he must be
• 2:29:08
  staying with her or something because that's causing the I'm
• 2:29:11
  going to to go on over. There some things, so my
• 2:29:17
  understanding and also it says in the police report when Miss
• 2:29:20
  Porter was incarcerated, they had Miss Crowley and Mr. Boxy
• 2:29:27
  had engaged in some type of informal relationship, which
• 2:29:31
  did, you know, cause a bit of a disagreement between Miss Porter
• 2:29:36
  and Mr. Boxy. But that's my understanding is
• 2:29:41
  that like I don't know if they were staying or living together,
• 2:29:44
  but there was some type of fling going on.
• 2:29:49
  OK, I, I just wanted to make sure I was dealing with husband
• 2:29:55
  and wife and, you know, an extracurricular activity or if
• 2:30:00
  everybody, if she was really actually separated from, you
• 2:30:03
  know. They've helped themselves out to
• 2:30:06
  be married. For over a decade, yes.
• 2:30:09
  Right. And who would you like to move
• 2:30:10
  on to next, ma'am? Juanier Porter, who is her son,
• 2:30:14
  thank you so much. Thank you, Mr. Porter.
• 2:30:21
  Hi, how are you doing? I'm fine.
• 2:30:26
  I'm all right. What would you like to say for
• 2:30:31
  your mother today? So I'm going to start off with
• 2:30:35
  my introduction. Obviously my name is Rhonda
• 2:30:37
  Porter. I'm Veronica's son.
• 2:30:40
  And all I can say is throughout the entire time period of me
• 2:30:45
  knowing my mother and and actually getting to like I know
• 2:30:50
  her as a person and everything, she's nothing but full of love
• 2:30:54
  and joy and care. And every time we speak on the
• 2:30:57
  phone, the main thing she tells me is she can't wait to come see
• 2:31:00
  me. She wants it.
• 2:31:01
  She wants to come and reunite with me and the rest of her
• 2:31:04
  kids. She wants to try and find the
• 2:31:07
  best way she can to get us all back together even though we are
• 2:31:11
  grown now. But she obviously as a mother,
• 2:31:14
  you would want that family again, you know, you want that
• 2:31:18
  family intact. And having everybody in one
• 2:31:20
  spot, it kind of makes you feel better.
• 2:31:23
  And at the same time, just to kind of piggyback off of what
• 2:31:27
  Gabrielle was saying, if she's home and you know, in the
• 2:31:31
  presence of people that love and care for her and not just a
• 2:31:35
  building that looks at her as a number, she has a very higher
• 2:31:40
  chance, a very high chance of getting the help that she needs
• 2:31:44
  for her mental conditions, for the, the, the certain health
• 2:31:50
  issues and things that she has. So that way she can have the
• 2:31:53
  right hygiene, have the right health, have the right resources
• 2:31:56
  and going to be a lot more tangible in the moment rather
• 2:31:59
  than being incorporated. I'm going to interrupt you.
• 2:32:03
  It looks to me like you're in the passenger position, that's
• 2:32:05
  why I didn't ask earlier. But you are not driving, am I
• 2:32:08
  correct? Oh, no, ma'am.
• 2:32:09
  No, ma'am, I didn't. Think so it looked like you were
• 2:32:11
  on you were on the passenger side.
• 2:32:13
  But we do need to OK. So for everybody's Peace of
• 2:32:16
  Mind, your passenger OK, go for it is.
• 2:32:20
  Yeah, I'm going to pass your side.
• 2:32:21
  I got 3. There.
• 2:32:23
  You go. That was.
• 2:32:24
  On this side. All righty, go right ahead, Sir.
• 2:32:28
  Oh, yeah. So where was I?
• 2:32:32
  Yeah, she'll be able to get the the help that she needs.
• 2:32:34
  And me as her son, obviously I'm going to have a stronger feeling
• 2:32:40
  of wanting to help because, you know, that's my mother.
• 2:32:43
  I obviously want her back and I obviously want her to have an
• 2:32:46
  opportunity and the chance to do things the right way.
• 2:32:51
  Everybody deserves a second chance.
• 2:32:53
  Everybody deserves an opportunity.
• 2:32:55
  And I feel like if you're not given that opportunity, how do
• 2:32:58
  you ever find out if you're able to show what you're what you're
• 2:33:02
  talking about? Because actions speak louder
• 2:33:04
  than words. And if you're not given the
• 2:33:05
  ability to complete the action, to follow up with the words,
• 2:33:10
  then it's all futile. Let.
• 2:33:12
  Me ask you something once you live as compared to where your
• 2:33:15
  mother. Lives.
• 2:33:17
  Or do you live in a different city, state or or you know that
• 2:33:21
  has kept y'all apart physically? Yes ma'am, I live in Houston,
• 2:33:25
  TX. OK.
• 2:33:27
  All right, all right, all right. Did you have anything else you
• 2:33:31
  wanted to say? Honestly, no, I, I, I think
• 2:33:38
  that's about it. OK, You love your mother.
• 2:33:41
  And then if she comes, she'll have family support, which she
• 2:33:46
  does need. There's no doubt about that.
• 2:33:48
  OK. Thank you very much, Mr. Porter.
• 2:33:52
  All right, We're going to go next to the paralegal.
• 2:33:58
  Is that who you would like to speak, Miss Drain?
• 2:34:04
  Oh. Yes, ma'am.
• 2:34:09
  All right. Good morning.
• 2:34:11
  Sorry about that. I was muted.
• 2:34:14
  Oh, that's OK. Thank you.
• 2:34:16
  Oh yes, ma'am. First of all, I want to say good
• 2:34:18
  morning to everyone. Thank you to the team, and I
• 2:34:25
  want to get started by saying this.
• 2:34:29
  Thank you for the opportunity to speak.
• 2:34:31
  I am here in support of Miss Porter.
• 2:34:34
  The conduct that led to this revocation is closely tied to
• 2:34:37
  her ongoing mental health struggles.
• 2:34:39
  It's not a refusal to comply our district or a disregard for the
• 2:34:43
  court's authority. Since this incident, the related
• 2:34:46
  criminal charges have been no processed, which reflects that
• 2:34:49
  the case itself did not move forward.
• 2:34:52
  Miss Porter has a documented history of mental health needs
• 2:34:54
  and when she is properly supported and engaged in
• 2:34:57
  treatment she has, she's able to comply and be stabilized.
• 2:35:02
  What is different now is that those needs have been clearly
• 2:35:06
  identified and there's a concrete release plan in place
• 2:35:10
  to address them. Continued custody does not
• 2:35:12
  resolve the underlying issue, but treatment and structure that
• 2:35:17
  are mentioned in the release plan will.
• 2:35:19
  Miss Porter understands the seriousness of being on
• 2:35:22
  supervision and takes responsibility for her
• 2:35:24
  obligation. She is asking for the
• 2:35:27
  opportunity to continue her parole in the community with the
• 2:35:30
  program mental health support rather than being punished for
• 2:35:33
  symptoms of an illness. We respectfully asked the Board
• 2:35:37
  to consider her mental health context, the fact that the
• 2:35:40
  charges were no processed and the availability of community
• 2:35:43
  based supports and making this decision.
• 2:35:46
  Thank you for your time and consideration.
• 2:35:48
  Thank you. OK, now we're going to go to
• 2:35:53
  Miss Megan to speak to as a social worker.
• 2:35:57
  Hi, my name is Megan McDonough. I'm a licensed clinical social
• 2:36:00
  worker with the Public Defender's office.
• 2:36:03
  And I just wanted to highlight the release plan that Miss
• 2:36:06
  Porter and I have put together that I believe addresses all of
• 2:36:10
  her complex needs, beginning with an assertive community
• 2:36:15
  treatment team, which is the highest level of mental health
• 2:36:18
  care available in the community. They will provide her with both
• 2:36:24
  a psychiatrist and additional caseworkers and come to her
• 2:36:28
  eliminating the barriers to medication access related to
• 2:36:33
  transportation. They aim to see the people
• 2:36:38
  enrolled about once to twice a week so she will have a
• 2:36:43
  consistent team around her. In addition to that, she has
• 2:36:49
  been referred to FAIR, which is a part of Disability Rights
• 2:36:51
  Louisiana to address her employment struggles and getting
• 2:36:56
  her SSI turned back on so that she can have income and be
• 2:37:01
  stable. And the last referral that I've
• 2:37:05
  made is Operation Restoration, which is a re entry service here
• 2:37:10
  in New Orleans that will help her get back on her feet by
• 2:37:14
  providing things like a phone and peer support.
• 2:37:17
  I believe this wrap around service including me because I
• 2:37:21
  will be facilitating all of these referrals and stick with
• 2:37:25
  her as until she is stabilized will address her needs.
• 2:37:33
  Thank you. OK, I've got a question for you.
• 2:37:36
  OK. Is she going to be in a
• 2:37:38
  controlled environment because because with all of that said in
• 2:37:43
  between and we do know we're dealing with as y'all have said,
• 2:37:46
  a severe mental health and will that be a controlled
• 2:37:54
  environment? Because a lot of people with
• 2:37:56
  mental health, they will wander around, they will get thoughts
• 2:37:59
  in their heads as compared to a structured environment.
• 2:38:04
  And you know, some people are in nursing homes or or hospitals or
• 2:38:08
  something like that. So is she going to be living
• 2:38:10
  independently? Where?
• 2:38:13
  So currently she'll be living with her grandfather while we
• 2:38:18
  get her income back on. I think a group home placement
• 2:38:22
  is something that we can discuss, but only once she has
• 2:38:26
  income and right now she'll be living with her family.
• 2:38:30
  Groupon. And so you were talking about
• 2:38:32
  SSI, Medicare, Medicaid. They're going to help with all
• 2:38:36
  of that also, which would help pay for to go to the facility.
• 2:38:43
  OK, well I'm going to talk to the attorney now at this time, I
• 2:38:51
  know everything was not processed, but it looks like,
• 2:38:57
  you know, there was a severe issue with jealousy and they
• 2:39:04
  threats and different things like that.
• 2:39:07
  And the, and the mental health issue is something that I'm very
• 2:39:15
  glad I'm very impressed with everything y'all are talking
• 2:39:18
  about, you know, the treatment team and that people are going
• 2:39:21
  to come to her and they'll lay eyes on her housing and the
• 2:39:26
  condition that she's living in. Because, you know, when those
• 2:39:29
  things start going down, that's an indication of where her
• 2:39:32
  middle state is. Will you have the ability to
• 2:39:38
  intercede if you see something or the the different team, the
• 2:39:43
  fair team and the Operation Restoration, will somebody in
• 2:39:47
  there have the ability, if they see her not doing well to have
• 2:39:52
  her OPC or PEC? Should that be the ACT team
• 2:39:57
  because it includes a psychiatrist has the ability to
• 2:40:01
  OPC people if they deem it necessary?
• 2:40:04
  OK. And and so the ACT team is going
• 2:40:07
  to be part of this. Biweekly visit or or just
• 2:40:11
  referral? No, they, they are the people
• 2:40:13
  that will be giving be visiting her at her home.
• 2:40:17
  It will not always be the psychiatrist I think like
• 2:40:19
  sometimes the nurse practitioner will visit her, but between the
• 2:40:23
  whole team, they will light lay eyes on her once to twice a week
• 2:40:29
  and of course twice a week. Better in the beginning, you
• 2:40:33
  know, because we do have a real problem and I don't demonize
• 2:40:40
  mental health and I do know that mental health problems lead to
• 2:40:43
  other problems. And so I don't have any further
• 2:40:50
  questions. Do you have any questions, Miss
• 2:40:52
  Ledoux? I would like to speak with with
• 2:40:56
  Veronica myself. I've heard from everyone else.
• 2:40:59
  I'd like to speak to her. OK.
• 2:41:04
  Veronica. Veronica, we don't see you on
• 2:41:06
  camera. Is there anyone who can?
• 2:41:08
  Yes, ma'am. I'm going to.
• 2:41:11
  I'm help. He's there.
• 2:41:16
  Something is wrong with their camera, so it's going to come in
• 2:41:19
  and out. OK.
• 2:41:25
  Miss Veronica, do you OK? I'll skip it.
• 2:41:33
  I'll. Skip it.
• 2:41:34
  Thank you. There you are.
• 2:41:39
  OK, Miss Veronica. Miss.
• 2:41:44
  OK. Miss Veronica.
• 2:41:46
  How you doing, ma'am? Good.
• 2:41:48
  Tell me, how do you feel about not seeing Mr. Boxy and and
• 2:41:54
  staying away from the other lady?
• 2:41:57
  Tell me. Tell me how you're thinking
• 2:41:58
  about that. If I knew that what I know now
• 2:42:02
  ma'am, none of this would would happen.
• 2:42:06
  My plans are not to see Mr. Boxing or Miss Proud ever again.
• 2:42:12
  I want I want to have a purpose in life and I want to stand on
• 2:42:15
  my own 2 feet. Even though I qualify for
• 2:42:18
  disability, I don't want to depend on it.
• 2:42:21
  I was told that I can work 4 hours a day a time a week.
• 2:42:26
  So I want to earn my way, earn my way to life and earn my
• 2:42:30
  stability. And I want my grandpa and my
• 2:42:33
  Mama to be able to depend on me and not me, just depend on them.
• 2:42:39
  I'm, I'm very stable now and I'm well aware of everything that's
• 2:42:43
  going on. And I plan on staying this week.
• 2:42:47
  How long? How long were you incarcerated
• 2:42:50
  before you were released in December last year?
• 2:42:54
  Two years. And nine months, OK.
• 2:42:59
  Have you spent a lot of time in in prison or how much time have
• 2:43:04
  you spent in prison total? Well, not I didn't.
• 2:43:09
  I did a lot of time. I've never done.
• 2:43:11
  More than two. Just the first time that two
• 2:43:13
  years and nine months work was the longest I ever did.
• 2:43:16
  But even though I did 2 years and nine months, what I've
• 2:43:19
  learned it now from my social worker, I didn't learn all of
• 2:43:22
  that. All I was ever told whenever I
• 2:43:25
  went to prison was that I qualify for a check.
• 2:43:29
  So I was always depended upon a check.
• 2:43:32
  Now I know that I can earn my own stability and that's what I
• 2:43:37
  want, but I mean earn my own stability.
• 2:43:39
  It gives me things to do, like opportunities, and it gives me a
• 2:43:44
  chance to have address and a paycheck.
• 2:43:48
  Not ADOC, no. OK, that sounds like you've got
• 2:43:54
  your mind straight. How compliant are you with
• 2:43:57
  taking your your medication? Whenever you have medication, do
• 2:44:02
  you take it or no? I'm very compliant with you.
• 2:44:05
  That's why I'm not able to work full time.
• 2:44:07
  I have to work part time. So I.
• 2:44:10
  Can and I? Want to work part time.
• 2:44:12
  I want to work period. It gives me something to do.
• 2:44:16
  OK. I don't have any other
• 2:44:19
  questions. Is it greater?
• 2:44:27
  Where were you living when this problem occurred with this other
• 2:44:30
  lady? At 828 Orange.
• 2:44:34
  Street Sir by my grandpa. And that's where you're going
• 2:44:38
  back to, correct? Yes, Sir.
• 2:44:41
  That's all the way across town, which is where I've been
• 2:44:43
  whenever, whenever the police did call.
• 2:44:46
  I'm in an area 828 Orange St. And how?
• 2:44:50
  How did? How old is your grandpa?
• 2:44:52
  Almost. About 100 if I'm not mistaken.
• 2:44:57
  I think he's almost hungry. OK, I don't have any other
• 2:45:01
  questions. Well, I'm going to follow up on
• 2:45:05
  what Mr. Prater just said. OK, So where this happened,
• 2:45:09
  you're going right back to and we're going to have a no contact
• 2:45:14
  situation here. You had or you had a didn't,
• 2:45:18
  didn't you have a protective order?
• 2:45:20
  You weren't supposed to go around this lady.
• 2:45:24
  Can I clarify this? Yes, sorry Miss Stapleton, I
• 2:45:31
  just wanted to clarify where this allegation the address is
• 2:45:36
  the CWS address. It is not Miss Porter's
• 2:45:41
  grandfather slash grandmother's home.
• 2:45:43
  It happened at Crowley's address.
• 2:45:46
  That's where this allegation she hasn't.
• 2:45:49
  So just wanted to clarify. That and she won't be living
• 2:45:53
  near this. Yes, they do not live near.
• 2:45:58
  Either OK, because because that that that wouldn't be he.
• 2:46:03
  Did not live near each other. All right, So you do understand
• 2:46:08
  that's a no contact that's you know you stay away from those,
• 2:46:11
  both of them, yes. And I know that the compliance
• 2:46:16
  is there if you have your medication, but that's been
• 2:46:19
  spotty on and off the ability to get your medication and if you
• 2:46:24
  have been on insurance and your SSI was cut off, that medication
• 2:46:30
  is extremely expensive. So a lot of their medication
• 2:46:35
  cannot get it. But it's from what I understand
• 2:46:39
  with this acting, they're going to see to it that you get the
• 2:46:42
  correct medication. Yes, ma'am.
• 2:46:46
  Yes. And you're on board with
• 2:46:47
  everything that you've heard said today.
• 2:46:49
  Yes, ma'am. Be twice a week and you'll do
• 2:46:54
  what they asked you to do and you'll be available for visits
• 2:46:57
  and such. Yes, ma'am.
• 2:47:01
  OK, OK. Somebody wanted to say Megan
• 2:47:08
  wanted to say something. I just wanted to say that she
• 2:47:12
  will be released from the jail with medication and if she's
• 2:47:16
  not, I will be able to coordinate.
• 2:47:18
  So if there is any lapse in insurance, it will not 'cause
• 2:47:23
  her to go without any medication.
• 2:47:26
  Very important. I would like to call for an
• 2:47:29
  executive session at this time. Please.
• 2:47:34
  Miss Lagoon? Yes, yes for you.
• 2:47:52
  OK, the Louisiana Pro board goes to executive session.
• 2:47:58
  So while they do that and we await the outcome, let's back to
• 2:48:04
  Judge Stevens, new contestant. I've been talking with state
• 2:48:08
  about a possible resolution on this case and I think we can't
• 2:48:11
  get it resolved. We just.
• 2:48:12
  Need We just need a few weeks. How much we're talking about 3.
• 2:48:17
  Weeks. Whole week. 3-4 weeks.
• 2:48:18
  Yeah, OK, done. Thank you reset three weeks on
• 2:48:24
  this. Please get a resetting from that
• 2:48:26
  Lady. Thank you Timothy Kegger.
• 2:48:28
  I'll. See.
• 2:48:29
  OK, Mr. Macon, can you hear that some plea here?
• 2:48:33
  Yes, that's fine. Martin.
• 2:48:35
  Give me just a second. OK, no problem.
• 2:48:43
  My point is, here we're. In front of me.
• 2:48:48
  James, your client is Square. Is that?
• 2:48:52
  You right there. He's right behind you.
• 2:48:56
  Surprise. You need to see this lady.
• 2:49:01
  He's she's going to swear you in, Sir.
• 2:49:02
  Thank you. How longer is it moving?
• 2:49:35
  Sign on the holiday. Decks for me please.
• 2:49:37
  This is Peter. Take care buddy.
• 2:50:11
  25 CR 400 is now called the State of Texas versus Timothy
• 2:50:15
  Keter Cater and you were here with Mr. Macon, your attorney in
• 2:50:21
  the State's Attorney. Does the defendant reading of
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  this indictment and the arraignment can we proceed in
• 2:50:28
  something? In summary, this indictment
• 2:50:31
  alleges that Honor about February 2nd, 2025 in Jefferson
• 2:50:35
  County, Texas, you committed the state jail felony of to being
• 2:50:40
  involved in the collision which involves injury to another and
• 2:50:44
  apparently you intentionally annoyingly left the scene of the
• 2:50:46
  accident without following the rules of the law providing
• 2:50:53
  information. This is a state jail felony.
• 2:50:57
  Do you understand what you were charged would say?
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  Yes, you're. What happened to the other drive
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  them? They went to the hospital and
• 2:51:16
  released Your Honor. You're welcome.
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  That's. Correct.
• 2:51:23
  To my knowledge there was some injuries but.
• 2:51:27
  Nothing scary I'd. Grapes.
• 2:51:30
  Some abrasions. Because.
• 2:51:34
  The indictments is it resulted in serious bodily injury.
• 2:51:38
  Is that not wrong? Well, with him going to the
• 2:51:41
  hospital and let me I'm listening intently how you're
• 2:51:46
  going to explain this one grand Yuri that's saying something
• 2:51:50
  different from what you're saying.
• 2:51:52
  Well, the information I have you on are they just were kind of
• 2:51:56
  bruised and shocked and all of that and they were on a
• 2:52:00
  motorbike that was reading in and out and.
• 2:52:50
  You understand what you're charged with.
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  Yes, Sir. This is state jail felony, which
• 2:52:55
  means if convicted, you face confinement in a state jail for
• 2:52:58
  any term of not less than 180 days or more than two years.
• 2:53:02
  In addition, a fine may be assessed not to exceed $10,000.
• 2:53:06
  You understand? Yes, Sir, agreements been
• 2:53:09
  reached where you would be pleading guilty be placed on
• 2:53:14
  deferred or unadjudicated probation, which can be up to
• 2:53:16
  five years in length by $500. And what is the restitution of
• 2:53:22
  the year? We will have to determine
• 2:53:25
  probation. Prostitution, which is to be
• 2:53:27
  determined. We're going to have to have a
• 2:53:29
  present report done anyway and prepared that will or a post.
• 2:53:36
  Well, we'll, we'll figure it out here in a minute.
• 2:53:40
  And the court needs to know if and how much restitution is
• 2:53:45
  involved. That will be a mandatory
• 2:53:48
  condition of probation. Do you understand?
• 2:53:51
  Yes, Your honor, I've been given information that Mister Bennett
• 2:53:55
  is hiring personal injury lawyer to soon.
• 2:53:58
  Too. That's correct, Your Honor.
• 2:54:00
  There is a civil suit pending between these parties as well.
• 2:54:05
  That only meant a lot to me in criminal.
• 2:54:07
  I'd be worried about it, but I'm going to make my own findings
• 2:54:11
  and he will be given credit or whatever it's the civil side
• 2:54:18
  does or whatever that may be. But restitution is going to be
• 2:54:23
  ordered by and through him in some way or through his
• 2:54:29
  insurance Rep representatives. But they're not the one liable.
• 2:54:35
  They're liable to him. He's liable to the victim.
• 2:54:41
  If I follow this agreement, you have no right of appeal of your
• 2:54:45
  place. Do you understand?
• 2:54:47
  Yes, Sir. How do you plead to disserve?
• 2:54:49
  Guilty? You're not guilty.
• 2:54:50
  Guilty. Are you pleading guilty
• 2:54:54
  voluntarily and because you are guilty?
• 2:54:58
  Yes Sir, to show you what's marked it's exhibit 1 here.
• 2:55:02
  Did you sign that document voluntarily understand it,
• 2:55:04
  discuss it with your attorney or the contents all through
• 2:55:07
  incorrect State's Exhibit 1 tendered into evidence without
• 2:55:11
  objection is moving among other things to state you are mentally
• 2:55:14
  competent to enter your guilty plea.
• 2:55:16
  It's freely and voluntarily made you know what you've been
• 2:55:18
  charged with being by Muslim votes you you were guilty of the
• 2:55:22
  crime choice and any lesser included offenses.
• 2:55:24
  You were giving up your rights to a jury trial by actually
• 2:55:28
  appearance confrontation cross examination witnesses.
• 2:55:31
  You were totally satisfied with the representation provided by
• 2:55:34
  your lawyer. All of this is true So help
• 2:55:36
  you've got state's exhibit one part of the record for all
• 2:55:39
  purposes pre sentence report waived on this would waive OK if
• 2:55:46
  nothing further. I'm going to make the findings
• 2:55:49
  that you are mentally competent in through this guilty.
• 2:55:52
  It is voluntarily made. You know and appreciate the
• 2:55:55
  consequences of pleading guilty. There's sufficient evidence
• 2:55:58
  supporting your guilty plea to find you guilty beyond a
• 2:56:01
  reasonable doubt. But I'm going to follow this
• 2:56:04
  plea agreement and defer any finding of guilt postponed so
• 2:56:09
  long as you follow the terms and conditions of probation.
• 2:56:13
  In this probation order, you will be placed on probation for
• 2:56:19
  five years. You do well.
• 2:56:21
  It can be shortened to one third additional.
• 2:56:25
  There will be terms and conditions of probation.
• 2:56:27
  Probation officer will go over with you.
• 2:56:29
  The one thing that we don't have, there's a $500 fine among
• 2:56:34
  other conditions. But the restitution with it
• 2:56:37
  which is going to have to be determined later upon more
• 2:56:42
  investigation on this through the probation offices efforts.
• 2:56:47
  But that will be your responsibility.
• 2:56:49
  If there's an issue of how much it is, then thank you.
• 2:56:53
  If there's an issue on how much it is, then the court will
• 2:56:57
  resolve it in a hearing that we're all parties that have to
• 2:57:00
  be heard. OK.
• 2:57:02
  Anything else so they see probations?
• 2:57:05
  Thank you. It's certainly been waiting in
• 2:57:08
  the outside. All right, let's head back to
• 2:57:11
  Louisiana, see how this thing finishes up.
• 2:57:15
  There we go. Miss Porter, we're back from
• 2:57:30
  executive session. We need somebody to call us back
• 2:57:37
  in. OK, OK.
• 2:57:43
  I'll make a motion. We go back into regular session.
• 2:57:46
  Thank you, Mr. Prater I second and the time is 10/20 and we're
• 2:57:54
  back in regular session. And and.
• 2:57:59
  For the, for the. Record I am here.
• 2:58:02
  I can't start my video. All my attempts to start it have
• 2:58:07
  failed thus far. OK.
• 2:58:13
  All right. Well, we can hear you, Mr.
• 2:58:14
  Prater. Thank you.
• 2:58:15
  Very now. Now the OK, all right.
• 2:58:21
  OK. Well, at this time, I'm prepared
• 2:58:24
  to vote and the panel will vote. Miss Porter.
• 2:58:31
  Yes. Ma'am.
• 2:58:33
  I'm very, I'm very supportive of everything that you said.
• 2:58:39
  The problem is for me that you are an eighth class offender.
• 2:58:44
  And you do, you know, I know that some of this stuff was not
• 2:58:56
  crossed, but you are an eighth class offender.
• 2:59:00
  And at this time, based upon that and based upon the fact I
• 2:59:06
  heard them say that, that you're in lockdown 23 hours a day.
• 2:59:10
  Is that correct? Yes, ma'am.
• 2:59:14
  Yeah. You won't be like that when you
• 2:59:17
  get out. You'll have your freedom back.
• 2:59:21
  And before when you had your freedom back, you committed
• 2:59:25
  crimes. And I, and I'm not demonizing
• 2:59:28
  mental illness by no means. And I think programs that they
• 2:59:33
  have set in place for you will be wonderful.
• 2:59:38
  And I hope that they will stay and continue to be a part of
• 2:59:41
  your life and help you wherever you're located at.
• 2:59:44
  But today my boat I'm going to I'm going to have to revoke you
• 2:59:51
  today. Miss will do.
• 3:00:02
  My vote is also to revoke and to be placed in DOC facility that
• 3:00:10
  will provide continuing mental health support.
• 3:00:16
  OK. Mr. Prater, I.
• 3:00:20
  Concur. Hey, so at this time this order
• 3:00:26
  have been revoked. I do concur that you should be
• 3:00:30
  placed in ADOC facility that will provide continuing mental
• 3:00:35
  health support which I I think it's been spotty.
• 3:00:39
  So that concludes our hearing at Orleans and the time is 10/23.
• 3:00:49
  Okie Dokie friends, 4th hour time, TCF overtime.
• 3:00:59
  So I don't know that there's a whole lot that we saw during the
• 3:01:05
  day from these cases that would spark huge amounts of
• 3:01:09
  discussion. But if you have anything you
• 3:01:11
  want to talk about regarding today's cases, obviously if
• 3:01:15
  you're a channel member, you can phone in, go to the Discord, and
• 3:01:17
  you will find a link there under the members section for you to
• 3:01:21
  get at that section. If you're a channel member, you
• 3:01:23
  need to make sure that your YouTube account is linked with
• 3:01:25
  your Discord account that pulls all your privileges over and
• 3:01:28
  allows you to get the link to join me here on the show.
• 3:01:31
  And oh, by the way, you don't have to join with your camera
• 3:01:33
  turned on. So if you just want your voice,
• 3:01:35
  you can do that. Lily asks.
• 3:01:37
  Do they ever vote to approve? Yeah, quite often, and
• 3:01:42
  especially of late, it feels like I've seen more approvals
• 3:01:45
  than normal. And the reason why I go to the
• 3:01:48
  board, well, a couple reasons. One of them is that it's, you
• 3:01:53
  know, they're good stories. They're intriguing to kind of
• 3:01:56
  follow along with. But you also never really know
• 3:01:59
  what this board is going to do. They confound us, they baffle
• 3:02:04
  us. But I will also tell you that I
• 3:02:08
  give them all the respect in the world because they put
• 3:02:14
  themselves out there every time and they never take their stuff
• 3:02:19
  down, unlike many other judges that we see where they'll
• 3:02:23
  they'll put themselves out there, but they'll mute during
• 3:02:25
  certain times and then they'll immediately pull their stream
• 3:02:28
  once it's done and all that. These people don't do that.
• 3:02:30
  They they leave their work out there for all the world to see,
• 3:02:34
  good or bad. And I do respect them for that
• 3:02:37
  because it's not always the norm in the law tube space for that
• 3:02:42
  to happen. So good on them there.
• 3:02:45
  Now, I do have a couple of things that are worth discussing
• 3:02:48
  today. One of them I'm kind of
• 3:02:49
  passionate about. So, you know, if, if you would
• 3:02:55
  like to express similar or dissenting passion once we get
• 3:02:58
  there again, feel free to call in and talk to me because I
• 3:03:02
  would love the debate programming note again at the
• 3:03:05
  end of this hour, you will automatically be directed to the
• 3:03:10
  premiere episode of In the Blind.
• 3:03:12
  That will premiere at 11:00 AM my time.
• 3:03:16
  So or 11. Yeah, 11:00 AM my time so 1:00
• 3:03:18
  PM on the East Coast, 10 AM on the West Coast.
• 3:03:23
  And that is set as a premiere. So there will be a live chat
• 3:03:26
  feature going on and I'll be present in the chat and I'm
• 3:03:29
  guessing Mike will too. So join us for that.
• 3:03:32
  We had a lot of fun filming the pilot last night and that's what
• 3:03:34
  we'll be showing you. And I think it's going to be a
• 3:03:36
  great show, different from what we do here for sure.
• 3:03:40
  But if you like Mike and you like me, I think you'll love
• 3:03:43
  this show. It's a lot of fun.
• 3:03:45
  And then also reminder sidebar tonight at 8:00 PM E 5 Pacific,
• 3:03:50
  where we're going to talk about some parole board stuff.
• 3:03:53
  Not the case, we just saw one from yesterday, but still
• 3:03:56
  worthwhile. So I'm going to start us off
• 3:04:00
  with something that is light hearted slash, slightly baffling
• 3:04:08
  because I just can't believe that this actually happened.
• 3:04:14
  So this is from CBS News. It is basically the real life
• 3:04:20
  reenactment of the movie Catch Me If You Can, which was based
• 3:04:23
  on a real life thing. But ex flight attendant got
• 3:04:27
  hundreds of free flights posing as pilot and current flight
• 3:04:31
  attendant, Justice Department says.
• 3:04:38
  So. Former flight attendant for a
• 3:04:39
  Canadian airline posed as a commercial pilot and as a
• 3:04:42
  current flight attendant to obtain hundreds of flights.
• 3:04:45
  Dallas Pokornik, 33, of Toronto, was arrested in Panama after
• 3:04:49
  being indicted on Royer wire fraud charges at a federal court
• 3:04:52
  in Hawaii last October. He pleaded not guilty Tuesday
• 3:04:55
  following the extradition. So I would I would have written
• 3:04:58
  that as he pled not guilty. We had that whole pleaded pled
• 3:05:01
  debate. I think that was on sidebar the
• 3:05:04
  other day. I like pled myself, but we we
• 3:05:07
  looked it up. Both are correct.
• 3:05:09
  If convicted, Pokornic faces up to 20 years in prison, a fine of
• 3:05:14
  $250,000, plus the term of supervised release.
• 3:05:17
  According to court documents, Pokornik was a flight attendant
• 3:05:21
  for a Toronto based airline from 2017 to 2019, then used fake
• 3:05:26
  employee identification from that carrier to obtain tickets
• 3:05:29
  reserved for pilots and flight attendants on three other
• 3:05:32
  airlines, US prosecutors said Tuesday.
• 3:05:35
  Pokornik even requested to sit in the jump seat.
• 3:05:38
  That's that extra seat in the cockpit typically reserved for
• 3:05:41
  off duty pilots. It wasn't clear from court
• 3:05:44
  documents whether he ever actually rode in the plane's
• 3:05:47
  cockpit, however. Indictment didn't identify the
• 3:05:52
  airlines except to say they're based in Honolulu, Chicago, Fort
• 3:05:55
  Worth. Representatives for Hawaiian
• 3:05:57
  Airlines, United Airlines and American Airlines, which are
• 3:06:00
  respectively based in those cities, didn't immediately
• 3:06:02
  respond to emails from the AP seeking comment.
• 3:06:06
  Air Canada, based in Toronto, didn't respond to an e-mail
• 3:06:09
  seeking comment. Scheme lasted 4 years.
• 3:06:13
  US magistrate ordered Mccornick to stay in custody.
• 3:06:20
  His federal defender declined to comment.
• 3:06:23
  So nobody wants to comment on this thing, which implies to me
• 3:06:25
  it was very prolific. So yeah.
• 3:06:31
  In 2023, an off duty airline pilot riding the cockpit of
• 3:06:34
  Horizon Air said I'm not OK just before trying to cut the engines
• 3:06:38
  power mid flight. That guy later told police he'd
• 3:06:43
  been struggling with depression. That's not related to this.
• 3:06:51
  I'm not sure why they added it, other than to say that having
• 3:06:53
  somebody in the cockpit who isn't actually flying the plane
• 3:06:55
  is potentially a safety risk. But this one just caught my
• 3:06:58
  attention #1 because it it, it mirrors the movie Catch Me If
• 3:07:02
  You Can, which if you've never seen it, Tom Hanks, Leonardo
• 3:07:05
  DiCaprio. Leo plays Frank Abagnol.
• 3:07:09
  Abagnoli, I think is how it's pronounced, who is a real life
• 3:07:14
  person who did things like impersonate being an airline
• 3:07:18
  pilot and use that to to gain free flights across the country.
• 3:07:24
  And that was just part of his shtick.
• 3:07:27
  But interestingly enough, he actually started working for the
• 3:07:31
  FBI to help hunt down people like him.
• 3:07:35
  He used to, he used to write bad checks, and I think at one point
• 3:07:40
  he pretended to be a doctor. All sorts of weird things with
• 3:07:43
  him. But an actual modern time
• 3:07:48
  reenactment of that. What's scary though to me was
• 3:07:52
  the fact that he got away with it for a few years.
• 3:07:55
  What does that say about the security of our airlines that
• 3:07:58
  somebody can come up with credentials like that and fake
• 3:08:02
  their way into the jump seat of an airline cockpit?
• 3:08:07
  I'm just saying, not sure I'm a fan of that one.
• 3:08:11
  So that's kind of my lighter story.
• 3:08:15
  This is the one I'm a little more passionate about.
• 3:08:17
  And again, I would love your comments on this one once I'm
• 3:08:23
  done ranting, perhaps. So I'm sure we all remember
• 3:08:30
  Uvalde, and that was the school shooting where a whole bunch of
• 3:08:37
  children were killed. And that one has been debated
• 3:08:43
  right, left and sideways in the media because of law
• 3:08:47
  enforcement's, in my opinion, complete failure to act quickly.
• 3:08:57
  So when that shooting went down, they weren't quick to take out
• 3:09:02
  that gunman and a whole bunch of kids died because of it.
• 3:09:06
  But the the school police officer, the one who was
• 3:09:09
  assigned to the school was in trial and they reached a verdict
• 3:09:12
  on that trial specifically, A jury returned a not guilty
• 3:09:16
  verdict Wednesday evening. So this was last night in the
• 3:09:19
  trial of former Uvalde school police officer Adrian Gonzalez,
• 3:09:23
  charged with 29 counts of child abandonment or endangerment tied
• 3:09:27
  to that 2022 Rob Elementary shooting.
• 3:09:31
  Jury deliberated for only 7 hours before returning the
• 3:09:33
  verdict. Gonzalez faced charges tied to
• 3:09:37
  the early minutes of the attack. 19 children and two adults died
• 3:09:41
  in the shooting, which is the deadliest in Texas history,
• 3:09:44
  according to the Texas Tribune. His counsel brought up two
• 3:09:49
  witnesses to the defense to stand in his defense.
• 3:09:52
  Gonzalez did not take the stand. Speaking to the press after the
• 3:09:55
  verdict was read, both Gonzalez and his legal team share details
• 3:09:59
  of their conversation with the jury.
• 3:10:01
  Defense attorney Nico Lahood said the jury told them there
• 3:10:05
  were, quote, a lot of gaps in the evidence.
• 3:10:10
  You can tell they say there were gaps in the evidence, said
• 3:10:13
  Lahood. They appreciated us bringing out
• 3:10:15
  those gaps. They considered everything.
• 3:10:17
  They were very diligent. They worked very hard back
• 3:10:19
  there. They were very mindful and
• 3:10:22
  deliberate. Obviously, they were saddened
• 3:10:25
  because they know that the other families are mourning still, but
• 3:10:28
  they said there was a lot of gaps in the evidence and some of
• 3:10:32
  that didn't make sense to them, La Hood added.
• 3:10:36
  On Gonzalez's part, he thanked God, his family, his legal team
• 3:10:39
  and the jury after being acquitted.
• 3:10:41
  First things first, I want to start by thanking God for this,
• 3:10:44
  Gonzalez said. My family, my wife and these
• 3:10:47
  guys right here, he put them in my path.
• 3:10:50
  You know, I'm thankful for that. Thank you to the jury for
• 3:10:53
  considering all the evidence and making their verdict.
• 3:10:56
  When asked if he had anything to say to the Evaldi families,
• 3:10:59
  Gonzalez responded no, not right now.
• 3:11:04
  Former Evaldi Police Chief Pete Arredondo, Yeah.
• 3:11:09
  Arredondo was also criminally charged in relation to the 2022
• 3:11:13
  shooting. He's charged with the dangerment
• 3:11:14
  and abandonment, pled not guilty.
• 3:11:17
  The date for his trial has not been set.
• 3:11:24
  So I bring this up because obviously it's a legal thing and
• 3:11:28
  it is very much court thing and it's also a very much a national
• 3:11:37
  peace. I mean, this is something that
• 3:11:42
  that we all saw, we all lived through and men straight out.
• 3:11:46
  I'm one of the people that shook my head at the police response
• 3:11:49
  to it. And I take huge issue with the
• 3:11:57
  verdict in this one for a few reasons.
• 3:11:59
  Now, if our friend of the channel Bailey were here, he
• 3:12:03
  would tell me that he has faith in the jury and the jury never
• 3:12:07
  gets it wrong. I'm not sure the jury got it
• 3:12:10
  right in this case because let me find it here.
• 3:12:19
  This is a witness, last name of Flores.
• 3:12:23
  Flores is a key witness for the state, providing the only first
• 3:12:26
  hand testimony about what Gonzalez did or didn't do in the
• 3:12:29
  first few minutes as the shooting began.
• 3:12:31
  Flores said she fell after seeing the gunman and as she got
• 3:12:35
  up, a police vehicle drove up to her.
• 3:12:38
  She told the officer two or three times where the shooter
• 3:12:40
  was headed. He just kept pointing or I just
• 3:12:43
  kept pointing. He's going in there, he's going
• 3:12:46
  into the 4th grade building, she said.
• 3:12:50
  He just stayed there, she said of the officer.
• 3:12:52
  He was pacing back and forth. So that ultimately is my
• 3:13:03
  challenge that I have in my mind with so much of this situation.
• 3:13:09
  We had a, we had a deal there where you had an active shooter
• 3:13:15
  situation, but the police refused to move in on it until
• 3:13:19
  they had what they felt was sufficient numbers in a good
• 3:13:22
  tactical position to be able to take on the shooter.
• 3:13:27
  And the first guy on the scene, who was Gonzalez, the the
• 3:13:31
  officer assigned to the school, did not take any action on his
• 3:13:37
  own either. If this witness is to believe he
• 3:13:39
  was more in paralysis than he was at a point where he would
• 3:13:43
  take actual action to help these children, that says so many bad
• 3:13:51
  things about where we're at, If I may be blunt, if you are in
• 3:13:58
  law enforcement, if you are in that position, if you've taken
• 3:14:02
  that job. And we can debate how much
• 3:14:05
  they're paid and how much stress they're under and all this kind
• 3:14:08
  of stuff. And those are good debates to
• 3:14:10
  have. But two things can be true at
• 3:14:12
  once. They can be underpaid and
• 3:14:14
  overstressed, but they still signed up for the job.
• 3:14:17
  And their job is to throw themselves in harm's way at a
• 3:14:19
  moment's notice to help those that they've committed to
• 3:14:22
  helping. Period.
• 3:14:24
  End of discussion in my mind anyways.
• 3:14:27
  And what happened here was they didn't move in.
• 3:14:32
  They waited until they had what they felt were sufficient
• 3:14:35
  numbers, until they had what they felt was a good tactical
• 3:14:37
  position, and then they decided to take action.
• 3:14:40
  Meanwhile, the people that they are sworn to protect died.
• 3:14:45
  And I don't think that says a lot about our law enforcement,
• 3:14:48
  unfortunately. And I'm not an anti law kind of
• 3:14:50
  person, but I'm also not exactly pro law either.
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  I'm somewhere in the middle. And it's probably based on the
• 3:14:58
  fact that there's a whole lot of law enforcement that are out
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  there acting the fool. But honestly, there's a whole
• 3:15:03
  lot of public out there acting the fool, egging them on, trying
• 3:15:05
  to get them to do bad things. So there's problems on both
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  sides, but especially in this case when you are sworn to
• 3:15:13
  protect in, in this instance, children, you got to go in there
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  and do it. And I'm sorry if it's not a good
• 3:15:20
  tactical position for you. I'm sorry if you're fearful for
• 3:15:23
  your life. I don't care because that's the
• 3:15:27
  job that you decided to take, that you swore to do and you
• 3:15:32
  didn't do it. And really what it tells me, if
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  that is going to be the case, then I would question our
• 3:15:40
  ability to count on law enforcement to protect us.
• 3:15:44
  Honestly, I've always questioned that ability because the
• 3:15:46
  response time's too slow. By the time the police get
• 3:15:50
  there, in most cases, whatever was going to happen has already
• 3:15:53
  happened. So they're there to investigate
• 3:15:55
  and clean up much more than they are there to prevent a crime
• 3:16:00
  from happening. But in this case, there was an
• 3:16:01
  officer there who might not have prevented the first shots but
• 3:16:05
  could have ended it sooner, and he didn't take action.
• 3:16:08
  And then we have a jury that somehow looks at this and says,
• 3:16:15
  yeah, no, it was cool. I just, I don't know how.
• 3:16:20
  Now, obviously I was not in that jury room.
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  I don't know what they were presented with.
• 3:16:23
  But the fact that we know that the officers delayed in their
• 3:16:32
  response to this event and kids died for that, it had to be some
• 3:16:42
  really compelling evidence or some really compelling holes in
• 3:16:45
  the evidence, as they put it, to keep some kind of conviction
• 3:16:49
  from happening there. Dude didn't do his job and
• 3:16:52
  people died. I don't know.
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  I would be anxious to hear from some of you if you have other
• 3:16:58
  thoughts on the matter. But I am really bothered by that
• 3:17:02
  result. I don't think juries are
• 3:17:07
  perfect. I don't expect them to be
• 3:17:09
  because we're human beings. But I'm absolutely shocked at
• 3:17:12
  that outcome. I really am.
• 3:17:15
  I'm just, I'm baffled by it. I would not have expected with
• 3:17:19
  all of those dead children, for them to look at an officer who,
• 3:17:28
  from the looks of it, froze in the moment, rather doing his
• 3:17:31
  duty. And they're just like, yeah,
• 3:17:33
  it's cool, it's fine, It's no big deal.
• 3:17:35
  I don't know. But I'll move on to a couple of
• 3:17:39
  other things. And you, you call in and talk to
• 3:17:44
  me if you feel differently about it or if you feel the same and
• 3:17:46
  want to just echo my sentiments. It's totally up to you.
• 3:17:49
  But there's a couple of the news stories we can cover in the
• 3:17:51
  meantime, so we'll do those. So this is also from CBS News,
• 3:18:02
  something I found interesting. It doesn't have to do with the
• 3:18:04
  United States, but it has to do with a drug operation in Europe.
• 3:18:10
  And this is also from yesterday. European police said Wednesday
• 3:18:14
  they busted a major synthetic drug ring working across several
• 3:18:18
  counties in the largest ever operation of its kind, striking
• 3:18:23
  a several countries rather striking a massive load.
• 3:18:26
  Organized crime authorities dismantled 24 industrial scale
• 3:18:30
  labs and seized around 1000 tons of chemicals used to make stuff
• 3:18:35
  like MDNA, amphetamine and meth. Quote, I've been in this
• 3:18:44
  business for a while. This is by far the largest ever
• 3:18:46
  operation we did against synthetic drug productive
• 3:18:48
  distribution. I think this is genuinely a
• 3:18:51
  massive blow to organized crime groups involved in drug
• 3:18:54
  trafficking, specifically synthetic drugs.
• 3:18:56
  The profits generated were considerable, police said at
• 3:18:59
  press conference in Warsaw. For every euro spent on drug
• 3:19:03
  production, traffickers made approximately €30 in profit.
• 3:19:08
  Well, yeah, a 30X return on your investment.
• 3:19:10
  There's no, no surprise then why so many people get into the drug
• 3:19:14
  trade. That's better than the stock
• 3:19:16
  market on most days. I don't know if it's better than
• 3:19:20
  silver though. Silver's been running way up.
• 3:19:22
  The year long operation involved police from Belgium, the Czech
• 3:19:25
  Republic, Germany and the Netherlands, Poland and Spain.
• 3:19:29
  Agency released a video of operations showing officers
• 3:19:32
  conducting raids, making arrests and seizing evidence.
• 3:19:34
  Europol said police search. Police conducted 50 city house
• 3:19:38
  searches, 45 in Poland, 2 in Belgium, 2 in Germany and one of
• 3:19:42
  the Netherlands. Well, Mrs. TCF won't like the
• 3:19:46
  fact that 45 of the 50 were in Poland because she's half
• 3:19:50
  Polish. That will make her sad.
• 3:19:53
  One of the 85 arrests were made, including the two suspected
• 3:19:56
  ringleaders, both from Poland. This surprises me too, because
• 3:20:00
  Poland, at at least politically, has gone very conservative.
• 3:20:06
  But that might be. So it surprised me that the
• 3:20:10
  crime is there, but in this, that kind of crime anyways, is
• 3:20:13
  there. The conservatives have crime
• 3:20:14
  too, but it's normally not drugs.
• 3:20:16
  But that also might be part of what this is about is if the
• 3:20:22
  more Conservative government over there made this a priority
• 3:20:25
  to crack down on. I don't know.
• 3:20:26
  I said crack down on like crack, like the drug.
• 3:20:30
  These precursors were legal, generally used in the
• 3:20:33
  Pharmaceutical industry, but the quantities acquired in the
• 3:20:36
  processes were very large, unrelated to the actual needs of
• 3:20:39
  the companies acting as fronts for the trafficking.
• 3:20:41
  So that's how they count. They caught them.
• 3:20:44
  Very interesting stuff. I brought that up because it
• 3:20:48
  kind of proves that we don't just have problems here, we kind
• 3:20:52
  of have problems everywhere. I like your background, Michael.
• 3:20:55
  Yes, yeah, it's it's it's such a great background.
• 3:20:59
  I you know, maybe I'll just maybe I'll just get out of the
• 3:21:02
  way. There we go.
• 3:21:05
  Nothing like cross promotion as much.
• 3:21:07
  Yes. Well, hey, so I'll tell you
• 3:21:12
  what, Dan, this is a great, great time for some advice.
• 3:21:15
  Diversify your portfolio. I'm I'm going to invest more.
• 3:21:19
  This is a big time to invest in meth and cocaine and silver, I
• 3:21:23
  think 30 to one. Yeah, Yeah.
• 3:21:27
  I don't know. I think it's worth it.
• 3:21:29
  Might be worth the. You know, Well, whatever.
• 3:21:31
  So I'll tell you. I don't know, though.
• 3:21:33
  That barely outpaces inflation. I know.
• 3:21:38
  Yeah. Extra.
• 3:21:39
  Go out, buy groceries the other day.
• 3:21:44
  Tell me about it. So I'll tell you.
• 3:21:48
  Did this, the loan went through then yeah, yeah.
• 3:21:52
  Luckily they only wanted one arm and that's that's good.
• 3:21:57
  So, yeah. So I, I, I gave them the left
• 3:22:02
  because I, I need, I kind of need the right arm.
• 3:22:07
  They grow back, right? Oh yeah.
• 3:22:10
  That's what I've heard. OK, actually, so fun.
• 3:22:16
  In fact, what is the one part of your body go back completely
• 3:22:20
  like it was before? The liver.
• 3:22:22
  Do you know the the Yeah, it's the liver that'll do that.
• 3:22:27
  OK. The one part of your body that
• 3:22:29
  you can see. Oh, OK.
• 3:22:30
  The other part of your body that you can see, The hair.
• 3:22:35
  Well, not my hair, but some people's hair.
• 3:22:37
  Fair enough. No, your fing your finger in
• 3:22:40
  front of your nail, you know, off the very tip of your finger.
• 3:22:44
  It will completely go back. And that happened to my buddy
• 3:22:47
  Roy. He was walking a dog, his dog, I
• 3:22:51
  guess, many, many years ago, had the leash kind of wrapped around
• 3:22:55
  and something happened and, and this dog just tore ass off and
• 3:23:01
  it got the this, the this part of his finger, like this ring
• 3:23:05
  finger, I think, and just took this part off this the from this
• 3:23:09
  joint forward. And it was gross.
• 3:23:12
  It was just horrendous. But then what was even stranger
• 3:23:14
  was it started to grow back. And at first it looked like it
• 3:23:19
  looked like a little baby finger coming or like a little like it
• 3:23:22
  looked very small, very disproportionate.
• 3:23:25
  But then it grew back to like a full, the full finger.
• 3:23:29
  It looked a little strange, but it, it was, it was back to full.
• 3:23:33
  It was, it was wild human body's weird.
• 3:23:37
  Sometimes It's very sidetracking.
• 3:23:40
  Sorry, so, so I, I don't want to disagree with you, Dan, on this
• 3:23:46
  verdict because I, I kind of mixed feelings, right?
• 3:23:49
  Yes. You know, your response when
• 3:23:52
  you're a police officer, when you're a law enforcement and you
• 3:23:55
  have a job to do and when you don't do it, there should be
• 3:23:58
  consequences. OK, I agree with that.
• 3:24:01
  So then why aren't all the other officers that were involved in
• 3:24:04
  this not facing consequences as well?
• 3:24:07
  But because they didn't wait as long as this dude who was like
• 3:24:10
  their first, like I, I, the police chief has the same
• 3:24:14
  charges. The guy who was running the
• 3:24:15
  scene, yeah, he has the same charges.
• 3:24:19
  I mean, but why? Why not all the other officers
• 3:24:21
  too that didn't go in? I don't know.
• 3:24:26
  Maybe they're waiting. They're test.
• 3:24:27
  Maybe they're testing it on the leader.
• 3:24:30
  Maybe it could also be that through testimony, the officers
• 3:24:34
  below them were objecting to it. I don't know.
• 3:24:37
  Maybe. But yeah, I mean, you raise a
• 3:24:38
  good point, don't get me wrong, but I'm massively disturbed.
• 3:24:43
  Number one, I was disturbed at the time by the idea that these
• 3:24:46
  guys didn't go in. I don't.
• 3:24:49
  I'm sorry about your safety, dude.
• 3:24:50
  You took the job. Yeah, it bothered me too.
• 3:24:53
  Yeah, it bothered me as well. I mean, and, and I don't think
• 3:24:58
  anybody I get it for, for, for me, I don't think I'd go in, you
• 3:25:03
  know, if I was the only one there.
• 3:25:04
  I don't think I'd go in guns blazing, so to speak, or maybe
• 3:25:07
  quite literally, because I'm the only guy there.
• 3:25:12
  And I don't necessarily know the situation.
• 3:25:14
  I just know that there's a guy shooting.
• 3:25:16
  But at the same time, if I signed up for the job, I mean,
• 3:25:18
  that's kind of what I'm supposed to do now, if he guns me down,
• 3:25:23
  you know, that's not good. Obviously that's that's not
• 3:25:26
  optimal and I haven't done my job.
• 3:25:27
  But at the same time, that's one of those that it's life or
• 3:25:31
  death, not just for yourself, but for all those other children
• 3:25:35
  in there and. So I.
• 3:25:39
  I'm not saying that I'm, I'm not going to lose sleep that this
• 3:25:41
  guy is, you know, is it was on trial.
• 3:25:46
  It's weird that he was found not guilty.
• 3:25:47
  I do think that's strange, especially due to the outrage
• 3:25:51
  that everybody seemed to have about it.
• 3:25:54
  Maybe the jury felt the same way, like maybe they're they the
• 3:25:57
  jury also felt, hey, it wasn't even about the facts.
• 3:26:01
  It's just like this guy is, they're kind of set them up to
• 3:26:04
  be the fall guy they're making, they're holding him solely
• 3:26:07
  responsible, him and the police chief solely responsible when
• 3:26:11
  there was a bunch of other officers there that didn't do
• 3:26:13
  the job either for what was it over an hour.
• 3:26:17
  So yeah, I, this is one of those straight away because that's
• 3:26:21
  where he was assigned. Yeah, no, I, I get it.
• 3:26:24
  And, and again, school resource, you're supposed to be that's,
• 3:26:27
  that's, that's like your one job, like it's protect the
• 3:26:29
  school. But I, I, so I, I, there are
• 3:26:34
  mixed thoughts that I have on that whole situation.
• 3:26:39
  You know, I, I guess obviously there's going to be, there's
• 3:26:44
  qualified immunity, yes, but there's probably civil liability
• 3:26:48
  still that could attach here because qualified immunity is
• 3:26:51
  only going to get you so far when you grossly deviate, you
• 3:26:56
  know, from your, from your stated job and you dare, it's
• 3:27:02
  basically dereliction of your, of your duty as a police
• 3:27:05
  officer. Now, his not guilty verdict
• 3:27:07
  would probably go a long way to protect him from a lot of the
• 3:27:10
  civil liability, but who knows? Not that you'd probably get much
• 3:27:13
  from this guy, you know, making a police officer salary.
• 3:27:16
  What I mean, what's, what are you going to get?
• 3:27:18
  I mean, really. But still, there's probably
• 3:27:23
  going to be more litigation that this guy will face.
• 3:27:28
  Yeah, I mean, undoubtedly. And it's not like the family's
• 3:27:32
  going to see any justice there either, because there's no doubt
• 3:27:35
  that this guy is not rich. I'm just, I'm trying to figure
• 3:27:39
  out the how and the why that it ended up with a not guilty
• 3:27:46
  because you look at you, you look at other outcomes for
• 3:27:53
  police officers and more often than not, a jury will do
• 3:27:57
  anything they can to nail him to the wall.
• 3:28:00
  I mean, you look at like the, you know, the Derek Chauvin
• 3:28:04
  situation. He's got a, a his knee on the
• 3:28:07
  neck of somebody who's chewing on a speedball and OD ING.
• 3:28:12
  But he's, you know, he's got 18 consecutive life sentences for
• 3:28:16
  that. And I'm not I'm not disputing
• 3:28:18
  that that was a that was a bad look and a bad choice on his
• 3:28:22
  part. And I'm not here to debate that.
• 3:28:25
  But but that's just an example of, you know, we see a cop not
• 3:28:29
  doing their job properly and nailed to the wall.
• 3:28:32
  But then, but you could argue that that the guy's name slips
• 3:28:39
  my mind. But the one pin to the ground.
• 3:28:41
  You can argue that he was not the greatest of people.
• 3:28:45
  George Floyd had a criminal record.
• 3:28:47
  George Floyd, thank you. He had a criminal record and all
• 3:28:49
  that. I'm not saying it made it right,
• 3:28:51
  but I'm saying you've got that contrasted with the innocence of
• 3:28:56
  a bunch of children, right? And this guy is tasked with
• 3:29:01
  protecting them. He doesn't do the job or even
• 3:29:05
  try to do the job. And they're like, yeah, you're
• 3:29:09
  cool, right. If he got if he got gunned down,
• 3:29:12
  he'd he'd be a hero for at least trying.
• 3:29:15
  Now, I'm sure some would, you know, Monday morning quarterback
• 3:29:18
  and say, well, why didn't you wait for the other officers?
• 3:29:20
  And, you know, we would have had that discussion, but I think
• 3:29:24
  that would have been a better discussion than, hey, why did
• 3:29:27
  they all stand around for an hour?
• 3:29:29
  No way, you know, And it's it's that is the problem that I have
• 3:29:34
  with with the whole case. Now, I do wonder, Dan, if the
• 3:29:37
  police chief, when it gets around to him, if the jury is
• 3:29:41
  going to be the same way because now that's that's a leadership
• 3:29:44
  right? That's that's higher up.
• 3:29:47
  Are they going to hold that guy accountable?
• 3:29:51
  Same set of facts, basically, I would hope so.
• 3:29:53
  Somebody's got to be held accountable for that.
• 3:29:56
  It just, it's one of the most wrong things that I, I remember
• 3:30:04
  seeing in the, in recent years in law enforcement, we've had
• 3:30:07
  many wrong things. We've had a, we've had a lot
• 3:30:10
  more right things that never make it to the media.
• 3:30:13
  So let's be clear about that before people accuse us of being
• 3:30:16
  overly political here, because I don't think that's the case.
• 3:30:19
  I, I think, I think the vast majority of law enforcement
• 3:30:23
  really try to go and do their job to the best of their
• 3:30:25
  ability. I believe that because the world
• 3:30:28
  isn't just filled with complete idiots, however, the ones that
• 3:30:33
  the ones that get the press are the bad ones.
• 3:30:35
  And yeah, normally, like I said, normally when we see these
• 3:30:41
  situations, they're just they're nailed to the wall.
• 3:30:44
  And this is not the case. But I but I hope there's some
• 3:30:46
  kind of accountability here because this was just a a
• 3:30:49
  horrible situation. Again, not not the fact that the
• 3:30:55
  situation was there is not the fault of the officers.
• 3:30:58
  They didn't create the situation.
• 3:31:00
  Sure, but it's their job to respond to it, right?
• 3:31:04
  You know, it's is it just me or is does it seem like one of the
• 3:31:10
  things we're losing in our society is that sense of honor
• 3:31:14
  and bravery that that I think, yeah, there's you know what?
• 3:31:21
  It reminds me of your, of your rant couple of weeks ago, Dan,
• 3:31:26
  about strong men versus strong men.
• 3:31:29
  And I, I think we, I think we have a lot of, a lot of guys
• 3:31:36
  that want to, they're, they're strong men.
• 3:31:39
  They're, they're, they, they're keyboard warriors or they talk
• 3:31:43
  tough or, or they are tough when there's a bunch of them and
• 3:31:45
  somebody that they just want to bully.
• 3:31:48
  But when it comes when, when the chips are down, when the crap is
• 3:31:53
  hitting the fan, these guys fold up like AJC penny suit.
• 3:31:58
  And that's, that's what I worry about.
• 3:32:02
  You know, that's we need law enforcement to, I don't know,
• 3:32:08
  not just enforce law, but to do so, especially in these critical
• 3:32:14
  situations where, where you have children that are that are at
• 3:32:19
  risk, that are literally getting killed right in front of you.
• 3:32:23
  And I think the Parkland shooting, I think wasn't there
• 3:32:26
  was a resource officer there too.
• 3:32:29
  And, and I think that guy didn't do his job either.
• 3:32:34
  Yeah, if I recall correctly, there was issues with that as
• 3:32:36
  well. No, no, that, that case is a
• 3:32:38
  little different because it wasn't an hour or 70 minutes or
• 3:32:42
  whatever of waiting, you know, it was, but it was still a
• 3:32:47
  delayed or an inadequate response.
• 3:32:50
  And, you know, so this is not an isolated thing.
• 3:32:55
  This is not the first time that we've seen a situation like this
• 3:32:58
  where somebody didn't respond properly.
• 3:33:02
  And again, this is it's harder to, you know, I know people will
• 3:33:04
  say, ah, you know, your, your, your back seat driving this,
• 3:33:07
  your, your rearview mirror, you know, your hindsight.
• 3:33:11
  But then while that may be true, at the same time, these are
• 3:33:15
  police officers. That's what they're supposed to
• 3:33:17
  do. I mean, that's, you know, I
• 3:33:20
  don't expect a teacher to try and tackle A gunman.
• 3:33:23
  I don't expect, you know, the janitor to come rushing in or,
• 3:33:27
  you know, this. We have resource officers on
• 3:33:31
  campus kind of for this reason. Kind of sad that we have to, but
• 3:33:35
  you know, that's the world we live in, you know, so do your
• 3:33:40
  job. I'm going to disagree with you a
• 3:33:44
  little bit, Michael. I do kind of expect a janitor or
• 3:33:48
  a teacher to, to get in the mix if it comes to it.
• 3:33:54
  If, if a gunman charges into your classroom, you got to try.
• 3:33:59
  If for no other reason, then you're going to take that bullet
• 3:34:02
  before the child does. Because there's a hierarchy to
• 3:34:06
  things. And that's part of, that's part
• 3:34:10
  of, in my opinion anyways, being a proper human being is there
• 3:34:15
  are certain times where where the good of the many outweighs
• 3:34:19
  the good of the few or the one, to quote Spock in Star Trek.
• 3:34:25
  But it's true. You know, I, I see what you're
• 3:34:30
  saying, Dan, There's a time where, where you've got to
• 3:34:33
  consider laying down your life. You have to try knowing even
• 3:34:38
  that you might not walk away from it.
• 3:34:40
  And you know, I, I suppose you'd say, well, that's easy for you
• 3:34:43
  to say, Dan, you've never had to do it.
• 3:34:45
  Well, the time may come. And I pray every day that I'll
• 3:34:48
  have the strength to do it. And I believe that I will
• 3:34:51
  because because of the fact that I have morals and ethics and a
• 3:34:58
  priority system in my brain of what's what's most important.
• 3:35:03
  And if you've got a gunman charging into a classroom of 30
• 3:35:06
  kids and you're the adult, the most important thing is doing
• 3:35:10
  anything possible to protect those kids.
• 3:35:12
  You charge with that guy, you grab a chair and throw it at
• 3:35:15
  him. I don't, you know, grab your
• 3:35:18
  scissors and you know, Chuck them like a, a knife and turn
• 3:35:22
  yourself into into the bride from Kill Bill and just start
• 3:35:26
  with I, I don't something two guys charged at the at the
• 3:35:32
  shooter at the Gabby Giffords event back in 2011.
• 3:35:35
  When the guy was reloading, he was going to go for now he was
• 3:35:38
  reloading. But you know it.
• 3:35:41
  You know, if you're trained, you know, and especially if you have
• 3:35:44
  just multiple magazines on you, it does not take long to reload.
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  And so these guys saw the opportunity and they, they
• 3:35:55
  seized the moment and did the, and, and had they not, I know
• 3:35:58
  people still died then, including a nine year old.
• 3:36:01
  And it was, it was just terribly tragic.
• 3:36:04
  And Gabby Giffords has forever changed as a result of that.
• 3:36:07
  And it was just a horrible thing.
• 3:36:09
  But imagine how much worse it would have been but for the
• 3:36:12
  bravery of two dudes, one of whom I believe was like in his
• 3:36:16
  60s, and then another guy, like they just charged at the guy.
• 3:36:23
  And as I, as I recall too, one or both of them was actually
• 3:36:27
  armed at the time. But the better play was to just
• 3:36:30
  physically tackle. And that's what they yes,
• 3:36:35
  because by the time they got there, he was reloading.
• 3:36:37
  So that's what they did. So, I mean, they made some
• 3:36:40
  really good choices in the split second with what they had to
• 3:36:43
  work with. And, you know, I'm not saying
• 3:36:46
  that in the back to the Duvaldi situation that if that officer
• 3:36:50
  had acted immediately, that there still would not have been
• 3:36:52
  death. Sure.
• 3:36:54
  I I think there, there may well have been.
• 3:36:56
  Well, because at that point that gunman has the jump on you.
• 3:37:00
  He's he's ahead, he's seconds ahead of you.
• 3:37:03
  He wins initiative. Try to catch up.
• 3:37:05
  Yeah. Yep, I don't know, but I, but I
• 3:37:09
  saw that last night and my blood just started to boil because it
• 3:37:13
  says so many things about where we're at right now.
• 3:37:17
  Well, and, and I know that, you know, the larger conversation is
• 3:37:20
  why is it like this in the 1st place?
• 3:37:23
  Why do we have so many school shootings?
• 3:37:26
  What is going on? Why, why is it that we're even
• 3:37:28
  having to have this discussion in the 1st place?
• 3:37:33
  You know, you know, Michelle and I were talking about how it
• 3:37:39
  seemed like 1999 was like this big turning point year for the
• 3:37:45
  US and things really started to make this major change back in
• 3:37:51
  like 99. You know, you had like Columbine
• 3:37:56
  happened, you know, right. There was also that that was the
• 3:38:01
  same week I got hit by a car. And but I mean, no, you had you
• 3:38:06
  had Columbine that happened right there.
• 3:38:09
  And then just kind of that was this tone changer.
• 3:38:14
  I think not that school shootings never happened before
• 3:38:17
  Columbine, but that was that was like a big deal.
• 3:38:21
  And then we started to see this escalation in those and then
• 3:38:24
  just things, everything just started to kind of go, you know,
• 3:38:28
  sideways, you know, not to make a, you know, an overly grandiose
• 3:38:35
  thing about it. But that's that's kind of how I
• 3:38:37
  I look at that as a big turning point.
• 3:38:42
  Yeah. No, I would, I would agree.
• 3:38:45
  I think a lot of things turned in 1999, just society in
• 3:38:49
  general. It's like, it's like we stopped
• 3:38:52
  building culture then. I don't know.
• 3:38:55
  I've never figured out specifically why it's probably
• 3:38:59
  it's probably an Internet thing, but cuz most things are, I blame
• 3:39:05
  AOL. Yeah, maybe.
• 3:39:08
  But yeah. I don't know.
• 3:39:11
  It was, you know, we were so busy worried about Y2K and, you
• 3:39:15
  know, all the computers crashing in the end of the world.
• 3:39:17
  But at the same time, what we weren't aware of was, you know,
• 3:39:20
  this big change in society. And I'm not saying that that was
• 3:39:24
  that one event or a couple of events from that year are the
• 3:39:27
  are the only things. You know, there's many things
• 3:39:30
  that have happened throughout history that you can say we're
• 3:39:32
  turning points of their own. But that was, I feel like
• 3:39:39
  without, again, without sounding cheesy or hokey, I feel like we
• 3:39:44
  kind of lost a lot of innocence right after that.
• 3:39:50
  I don't know, maybe maybe I'm misreading that.
• 3:39:53
  But I, I really, I, when I look back at it, you know, having the
• 3:39:56
  benefit of 27 years almost of hindsight, I kind of feel like
• 3:40:01
  that. And because, you know, then we
• 3:40:03
  go into the 2000s and you have all these terror attacks and the
• 3:40:07
  USS Cole gets hit and then the year later, 911.
• 3:40:10
  And then, yeah, it just, it kind of snowballs from there, OK.
• 3:40:16
  We we lost everybody there for a minute.
• 3:40:19
  Oh, I had to switch to the backup Internet.
• 3:40:23
  Oh, God. So I don't know what you said.
• 3:40:28
  Oh. It was like right at right at
• 3:40:30
  the start of your of your your statement there.
• 3:40:33
  It just everything caught. I was going to say, Dan, I feel
• 3:40:36
  like we 1999. I feel like as cheesy and hokey
• 3:40:40
  as this may sound, I feel like Columbine, I think like that was
• 3:40:44
  like the mark turning point where we sort of lost some of
• 3:40:46
  our innocence. And then after that, you know,
• 3:40:50
  we, we had the, what was it the USS Cole that got attacked in
• 3:40:54
  like 2000? The terror attacks started to
• 3:40:57
  ramp up. Then there was 911 and it just
• 3:40:59
  things kind of, it was like this snowball.
• 3:41:01
  And I don't know, I I guess, I guess I just feel that that's
• 3:41:06
  kind of where things really started to turn weird.
• 3:41:11
  Now, you know, for me personally and for the country and just
• 3:41:15
  kind of in a in a weird, it was just a very strange.
• 3:41:18
  I know there was some good stuff in the 2000s, but I mean, it was
• 3:41:21
  just like there was this palpable turn.
• 3:41:25
  I don't know. No, there, there really was.
• 3:41:29
  So Wahoo put in the chat. A question I've never had a good
• 3:41:33
  answer to is, was there we go? Was there school shootings in
• 3:41:38
  the pioneer days? I will tell you that when my
• 3:41:45
  father was in school, it wasn't uncommon for a kid to be
• 3:41:49
  carrying a rifle around because they're going to go hunting
• 3:41:51
  after school. That's my parents too.
• 3:41:53
  You know, my my dad, you know, he was in North Dakota.
• 3:41:56
  People on their cars, they had, they had rifles, the shotguns,
• 3:42:02
  you know, it was not an uncommon thing odd to have that in on
• 3:42:07
  people's cars, gun racks and all that.
• 3:42:09
  I mean, that was, it was that's hunting territory up there, you
• 3:42:13
  know, So I, so I think to answer Wahoo's question, I no, I don't
• 3:42:20
  think there were because that's just not, that's just not the
• 3:42:25
  kind of crime that people would think of.
• 3:42:29
  I mean, even even, you know, the, the robbers and the outlaws
• 3:42:35
  and all of that, unless history has been lying to us, they were,
• 3:42:42
  they were most likely to ignore the children because that's not
• 3:42:48
  a target. Yeah, I sort of feel that way as
• 3:42:51
  well. I always felt like schools were
• 3:42:54
  sort of these like off limits, the schools and churches.
• 3:42:57
  And not to say that there weren't church burnings and all
• 3:42:59
  that sort of thing, because, you know, there was a lot of it.
• 3:43:02
  But but I mean, from the outlaws, from these gangsters
• 3:43:05
  that that seemed to be like they left that alone.
• 3:43:10
  Well, there was an all, you know, among thieves little bit,
• 3:43:14
  you know, I mean, sure, Al Capone had gunned down anybody
• 3:43:18
  that looked at him the wrong way.
• 3:43:20
  Absolutely. But he's not going to go into a
• 3:43:22
  school and shoot all the children.
• 3:43:24
  I mean it, you know, it's there's, there's a big
• 3:43:27
  difference. Well, and they dress in their
• 3:43:30
  Sunday best to go do it too. Yes, you know, and, and and
• 3:43:35
  they'd be nice back and back when bullets were apparently
• 3:43:39
  free, they'd be nice enough to shoot their name into the side
• 3:43:42
  of the bank after. They were done robbing it.
• 3:43:43
  They. Have a signature, you know?
• 3:43:46
  Yeah. So everybody knew who did it.
• 3:43:48
  There was a certain honour. It's like, yeah, this was me.
• 3:43:51
  This is me. Come on, coppers.
• 3:43:53
  Catch me if you can. I don't know.
• 3:43:58
  Oh, doctor, this is firecrackers.
• 3:43:59
  I tell you. I'm so confused by this world.
• 3:44:06
  I am too. It's, it's a weird place, Dan,
• 3:44:10
  what other thing that is. So I, I think, I think we're
• 3:44:15
  still on page 12 of that lawyer's story about her client
• 3:44:22
  Veronica today. My goodness, that was like that
• 3:44:25
  was a Paul Harvey rest of the story and beyond.
• 3:44:29
  Oh my goodness, I I don't know if I this isn't necessarily a
• 3:44:37
  sidebar topic, but I will say what relevance does her third
• 3:44:42
  grade teacher's dog or or you know her her well, you know, she
• 3:44:47
  was in the ballet when she was 5.
• 3:44:49
  What does that have to do with the crime that she's committed
• 3:44:55
  today or crime that she committed recently?
• 3:45:02
  Well, I suppose we could 6° of separation it somehow sure look
• 3:45:08
  that way. The part I have no idea.
• 3:45:11
  The part where dad goes out for cigarettes in 1998 and doesn't
• 3:45:15
  come back, you know, that part I get that can be included, sure.
• 3:45:20
  The part where, you know, maybe they were, you know, abused in
• 3:45:24
  various ways as children, that part can come in, sure.
• 3:45:28
  But I mean, we were getting down into the weeds of when she was
• 3:45:31
  and then when she was 10, she attended a baseball game at at
• 3:45:37
  Synergy Field. And I was like, why?
• 3:45:39
  Why are we, what, what are we getting down to here?
• 3:45:42
  We're, we're breaking down like she wrote a report on the Alamo
• 3:45:46
  in 4th grade. Her mother found the handwriting
• 3:45:49
  was sloppy and tore it up and had her redo it and say this is
• 3:45:54
  how you're supposed to. It's like, why, why do we, I, I
• 3:45:58
  don't get it. This was like wild.
• 3:46:01
  So I maybe, maybe we ought to start having a clock just like
• 3:46:06
  we do for in the blind. Let's put a clock on these maybe
• 3:46:10
  testimonies. It felt, it felt like a giant
• 3:46:14
  filibuster. And maybe, maybe I'm giving her
• 3:46:18
  credit here, but maybe that's what she was thinking.
• 3:46:21
  It's like I've just put Mr. Prater to sleep, so if I throw
• 3:46:24
  enough words at it, maybe one of them will stick.
• 3:46:27
  Well, I was going to ask a question, but I don't feel
• 3:46:30
  asleep during what she was talking about.
• 3:46:34
  So my vote is to grant because I don't want to hear another damn
• 3:46:38
  word. Well, I don't know if you saw
• 3:46:41
  this, but when she was done talking, I like applauded
• 3:46:44
  because I'm like, yeah, it's done.
• 3:46:46
  And then I I don't know if it was Prater or who, but one of
• 3:46:49
  them said, well, I've got some questions for you.
• 3:46:53
  It's like, it's like the kid that goes, Hey, you forgot sign
• 3:46:57
  us homework that just as the bell is ringing.
• 3:47:01
  I was beat up afterwards and deserved it.
• 3:47:06
  My God. And come on, Prater, the tick
• 3:47:12
  tock, man. The clock is running out for
• 3:47:14
  you. How much longer do you have to
• 3:47:15
  live? You want to listen to this
• 3:47:16
  lady's story? The you want a publicity like
• 3:47:20
  this? This lady, this lawyer was, I
• 3:47:22
  mean, I'll I'll give her this. I mean, that was quite the
• 3:47:25
  story. Oh yeah, I mean, I was zoning
• 3:47:29
  out for it, but I'd come back from time like I'm working, like
• 3:47:34
  I'm working on stuff and I'm, I'm hearing this and then, and
• 3:47:37
  then I'm, I'm kind of going over to the chat and I'm like, what
• 3:47:39
  is, what is all this? So I was, it's still good stuff,
• 3:47:44
  but I just don't know. We maybe a 2 minute clock on
• 3:47:47
  these people would be good. Well, they tell them that
• 3:47:50
  sometimes they'll say, you know, you've only got 3 minutes.
• 3:47:54
  That's the thing too, is they're, they're so all over the
• 3:47:56
  place. Yeah.
• 3:47:58
  Like the, the one that you had. Oh, my God.
• 3:48:02
  When I was in Montana at the time, Yes.
• 3:48:04
  And that actually got replayed on Monday.
• 3:48:08
  On Monday. Yeah.
• 3:48:10
  Yeah. It was part of the best.
• 3:48:11
  That was a great one. That thing went on for like 42
• 3:48:14
  hours. I don't know.
• 3:48:17
  I, I, I was happy that you were able to stick with it, but you
• 3:48:19
  must have been parched by the end of it.
• 3:48:22
  You know what though? I, that was one, I'm glad there
• 3:48:25
  wasn't a clock. I thought for sure they were
• 3:48:27
  going to cut it off. But I think we wanted to hear
• 3:48:28
  about the threesomes and the, and then the, the drugs and then
• 3:48:33
  we go and tell the truth. And I was like, oh, OK, let's do
• 3:48:36
  it. Let's keep, I mean, that went
• 3:48:39
  way into over. I started that.
• 3:48:41
  I, if I remember right, it was like 10/10/20.
• 3:48:44
  I'm like, oh, let's go to the Louisiana Board of Pardons and
• 3:48:46
  Paroles. And I already had like a couple
• 3:48:49
  other places I wanted to go. That thing went to like 11:30
• 3:48:52
  and like, you know, it was like the hungry 20 hours, 30,
• 3:48:56
  something like that. It's like lunchtime.
• 3:48:59
  Come on. This was the wild.
• 3:49:02
  That was like the wildest hearing I've I've ever sat in
• 3:49:05
  for. There was an executive session
• 3:49:07
  in that one too. There was you had to go
• 3:49:09
  someplace else for a while while you were away.
• 3:49:11
  Yes. Yeah, because that one was that
• 3:49:13
  wasn't in in the way back either.
• 3:49:15
  That was pretty much live, almost live.
• 3:49:19
  So I I was like, well, let's go to let's go to Judge Boyd or
• 3:49:23
  let's go to somebody and then we'll come back for that.
• 3:49:25
  Yeah. That was the other thing is I
• 3:49:26
  was like, man, it's it's not over.
• 3:49:29
  So that was that was an insane hearing.
• 3:49:33
  But those guys are all over the place.
• 3:49:37
  They, they, I think enjoyed the salaciousness of that one.
• 3:49:41
  They were just like, yeah, we, we need this when it's just
• 3:49:45
  stuff like, oh, and then, you know, when he was 12, he, he
• 3:49:49
  brought, you know, he, he got an F on his history.
• 3:49:53
  But all right, now we don't need you to move this along.
• 3:49:56
  I ain't got much more time to live.
• 3:49:58
  So I'm, I'm going to ask you to limit your your comments to 12
• 3:50:02
  seconds as opposed to wait a minute.
• 3:50:06
  Did you say threesome? Wait a minute, Dan, hold on a
• 3:50:11
  second. Let me just jot this down.
• 3:50:15
  Did you bring photographs? We go need the pics.
• 3:50:20
  Or didn't happen. Now, you said there were
• 3:50:23
  security cameras in the home. Yeah.
• 3:50:25
  And there were, if you'll recall.
• 3:50:27
  Yeah, there. Yeah, I I'm like there is
• 3:50:30
  evidence that is has got to be somewhere.
• 3:50:34
  And I'm just wondering, you know, there's that's that's all
• 3:50:39
  going to come out eventually. It's all going to be somebody's
• 3:50:42
  going to file a Freedom of Information done that.
• 3:50:45
  In fact, I'm going to draft that upright.
• 3:50:48
  That doesn't matter. Get Eli to do it.
• 3:50:51
  Yeah. Get the paperwork going.
• 3:50:54
  I we didn't find out about it until later on when he told us
• 3:50:57
  this, but Eli at like age 9 filed A FOIA request for
• 3:51:01
  something. Wow, he got it.
• 3:51:06
  Wow. I know.
• 3:51:08
  And then and then he told us later, Dan, you must have been
• 3:51:12
  so proud. Well, we're like like, how did
• 3:51:14
  you get this information? He's like, I filed A FOIA.
• 3:51:16
  I'm. Like you.
• 3:51:18
  Did what? How would you?
• 3:51:21
  How would you know what that is? You're 9.
• 3:51:24
  Oh my, I'm insane. I, I was weird at 9.
• 3:51:27
  Don't get me wrong. I was like listening to talk
• 3:51:29
  radio and stuff like, you know, I did things that were unusual
• 3:51:32
  at 9:00. But even I wouldn't have been
• 3:51:34
  like, Oh yeah, I'll file a Freedom of Information act.
• 3:51:37
  I want to see what about this Iran Contra thing a little bit
• 3:51:39
  more like what we were, we were talking the other night with
• 3:51:44
  them about like, like future plans.
• 3:51:47
  And because, you know, he's 17 now, so starting to think about
• 3:51:50
  where we want to, to craft our future.
• 3:51:54
  And he's like, I'm not that worried about it.
• 3:51:55
  He's like, you know, he's like, I've got a, I've got a couple of
• 3:51:59
  people in Silicon Valley that owe me a favor.
• 3:52:01
  And I'm like, what are you talking about?
• 3:52:03
  And then he gives us this big dissertation about how he helped
• 3:52:06
  these people figure out what was wrong with their server.
• 3:52:11
  I'm like, really? He's like, yeah, here's what I
• 3:52:14
  did. And he like listed the whole
• 3:52:15
  thing out. I'm like, you were in father.
• 3:52:16
  I'm not worried about it. I've invented a time machine.
• 3:52:19
  I really don't. You can't be.
• 3:52:21
  Bothered with all of this palaver about college and and at
• 3:52:26
  university and whatnot. You know what?
• 3:52:28
  It wouldn't surprise me. I I tell you, Dan, that's that's
• 3:52:33
  something else that you got going on over there.
• 3:52:35
  Good for you. I mean, man, I could talk about
• 3:52:39
  hitting a home run. Hit Grand Slam.
• 3:52:42
  Yeah, I don't know. I'll just take over your
• 3:52:45
  channel, Dad. I'll just, it'll be, you know,
• 3:52:47
  courtroom files will be a generational thing.
• 3:52:51
  Yeah. Maybe.
• 3:52:53
  You never know. I don't know.
• 3:52:55
  Kid is, I don't know, Dan. That's that's that's great.
• 3:52:59
  That's great news. Well, good for you, man.
• 3:53:02
  I must have been a proud moment. So I'm.
• 3:53:04
  I'm glad. I'm amazing.
• 3:53:08
  Yeah. Well, I'm excited for for the
• 3:53:12
  new show. Yeah.
• 3:53:14
  Tonight, maybe it's just a few minutes.
• 3:53:16
  Yes. Tonight.
• 3:53:17
  Maybe I'll pop in for sidebar. I've got a meeting, so, you
• 3:53:20
  know, you can always join us. We'll hold down the Fort.
• 3:53:24
  It won't be quite the same without you, but yeah, maybe
• 3:53:28
  I'll put up a still image of you.
• 3:53:29
  Well, there you go. Just to keep U.S. company.
• 3:53:33
  That might be a good idea. Maybe we'll do that sound board.
• 3:53:37
  Just me just randomly laughing at inappropriate things.
• 3:53:42
  Well, isn't that what we pretty much do anyways?
• 3:53:44
  That's pretty much. And, you know, just just throw
• 3:53:46
  in a random inappropriate comment or, you know, that's
• 3:53:51
  pretty much what I do. That's my one spoiler alert.
• 3:53:54
  Within like the first 4 minutes. I made a pretty inappropriate
• 3:53:57
  comment. Oh, I'm in the blind.
• 3:54:00
  Yeah. And then I followed it up.
• 3:54:02
  You did, you know, Yeah. I Dan was like, we'll just make
• 3:54:06
  sure you don't do anything to get us banned.
• 3:54:08
  And then Dan. And then Dan does something.
• 3:54:12
  I don't think it was banned. No, no.
• 3:54:15
  But you know, you're like, hey, look, we have to be on our best
• 3:54:18
  behavior here. Well, I don't think it would
• 3:54:22
  have made us ad friendly, but we're not monetized over there
• 3:54:24
  yet. It doesn't matter.
• 3:54:25
  No, we're right, Of course. Hey, it doesn't bother me at
• 3:54:29
  all. I just, you know, to be.
• 3:54:30
  You played right along. Well, yeah, you were all like,
• 3:54:33
  no, here's where you're wrong. Here's what you mean.
• 3:54:38
  Of course, that's the show. That's the beauty of this show
• 3:54:41
  and you guys will see it. It's it's I, I, I would say of
• 3:54:47
  all the you know, and I've done various shows over the years,
• 3:54:51
  this was of all the first shows I've done, this one was really
• 3:54:57
  the best. It's the most fun.
• 3:55:00
  Perfect. We had a couple of no, no, no,
• 3:55:02
  there's well, tech issues or tech issues.
• 3:55:05
  It doesn't matter how long you've done this, that's going
• 3:55:09
  to be that's always the problem. Well, even that was pretty
• 3:55:14
  light. I mean, we we did it in one take
• 3:55:16
  without blowing anything up, so it's pretty good.
• 3:55:19
  Yeah, no, we didn't have to stop and come back and which again,
• 3:55:23
  it's a great sign. I didn't think that was going to
• 3:55:25
  happen anyway, but but that's why we pre recorded anyway.
• 3:55:30
  Just just you guys be sure you know something didn't go wrong
• 3:55:34
  that you know. What that means, though, is on
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  February 2nd when the show premieres live, we're going to
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  get it's just some's going to blow up.
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  Oh yeah, fully expected. But that's the whole idea.
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  Like like a tornado will plow through the neighborhood.
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  Something is going to happen on that live show.
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  That's but that's why we do things live.
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  I used to do my weather videos live because you never knew what
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  was going to happen. You know, I I had my green
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  screen fall down on my head once during the live weather.
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  IA lot of things happened. The dog, you know, Topaz just
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  came up and jumped right up on my lap once.
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  And, you know, a lot of things can happen in a live show.
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  So that's the beauty of it. That's why we're doing it.
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  Makes it so much fun. Yes.
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  All right, Mikey. Well, let's let's end this so
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  they can be sent over there and get ready for it.
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  Yeah, absolutely, Sir. You gonna join us in the chat?
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  I will be there. All right, see ya.
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  See ya. All right, my friends, if you
• 3:56:38
  want to watch in the blind, just stick right where you are
• 3:56:41
  because YouTube should direct you over there.
• 3:56:43
  See, there's a little in the blind logo right there because I
• 3:56:45
  clicked on the wrong thing in the top right.
• 3:56:47
  That's what it looks like. All right, there we go.
• 3:56:50
  Anyways, that's coming your way in just a few minutes, so enjoy
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  it. Give us feedback in the chat.
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  Let us know what you think because we really, we did have a
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  lot of fun with us and we want to make it something special.
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  So help us make it something special and we'd really
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  appreciate that. But we'll be back tomorrow here
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  at TCF, 9:00 AM Eastern, 6:00 AM Pacific and then tonight for
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  sidebar right here, 8:00 PM E 5 Pacific.
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  So see you guys over in the blind.
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  Hang tight, don't go away.