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BONUS: The Podcast About Podcasts – Featuring Just Fly Performance · The Gill Athletics Track and Field Connections Podcast

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  It's bonus time. Here we go.
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  This month in February of 2025, we are doing a podcast about
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  podcast. We want to introduce you to
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  other track and field themed podcasts that are out there that
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  might be great for your listening pleasure.
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  So all month we're introducing a new podcast each and every day,
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  showing you who they are, what they are, how they are, why they
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  got started and even their favorite episodes and most
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  popular. And hopefully this adds to your
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  podcast listening library. So here we go.
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  Let's get started with today's podcast about podcast.
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  All right, let's hop right into it here.
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  Why don't you start by introducing yourself, kind of
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  give us like a 30,000 foot level 30 second version of who you are
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  involved in our sport. And what's the name of your
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  podcast? Sure.
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  So my name is Joel Smith. I've been coaching track now, so
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  I'm 41, so I've been coaching for almost 20 years, been a
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  strength and conditioning coach for almost 20 years as well.
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  Have worked on the club level, high school, college, D3,
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  strength coach for D1. So a lot of different
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  populations within track of the field and then a lot of other
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  sports as well. A lot of time is swimming too.
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  It's so interesting. Parallels.
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  And then with the podcast. I started that eight years ago
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  because my daughter's 8 and that's how I keep track.
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  So yeah, it's, it's been a great journey so.
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  Far and and give us the name of the podcast.
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  That's what we're here for today.
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  Of of course, yeah. Just Fly Performance podcast.
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  Just Fly performance. So what is the significance of
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  the name? Just like how'd you come up with
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  Just Fly? That's a good question.
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  So that name existed before the podcast.
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  That was, I want to say I I started the website company
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  about five years before the actual podcast 2011.
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  And I think it was just because I was always known in track back
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  in the Internet a long time ago. To keep this quick.
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  I was one of the first people, I think, who was just starting
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  writing and blogging when that was a thing, Blogger and all
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  this stuff. And so my initial, a lot of my
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  initial and that was a jumper in track.
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  And so a lot of the initial knowings was in jumping, but I
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  also kind of viewed it as the this like evolutionary, like
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  just trying to evolve performance and track and our
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  knowledge of training, my own knowledge of training.
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  So that's where the flight comes in.
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  So and it's just kind of taken off from there.
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  I think there's been a lot of a lot of different topics that are
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  talked about, track and otherwise.
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  Love that. What kind of tell us about the
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  style? You know, there's solo podcast,
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  there's interview podcast. What's kind of your your main
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  style? You may switch up of course
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  sometimes, but what's the main style of the podcast?
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  Yeah, it's almost always one guest.
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  I do some solo shows that are almost always Q&A or question
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  and answer. I've done topic shows, but I it,
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  it's funny you'd ask my wife, she tells, she'll tell anybody.
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  I like to talk, but I get really self-conscious.
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  Honestly, if it's just me in front of the microphone, I don't
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  have anyone else. I don't, I think sometimes it's
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  just you don't have another person that you're reading
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  visual cues. And so I much prefer to have
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  conversations with other people, both for the sake of having
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  someone else's or highlighting someone else's knowledge.
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  But I, I've also found over the eight years of doing this, that
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  talking to somebody else, it's like a resonance chamber for the
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  way my own brain thinks. So I've learned so much through
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  this podcast. Yes, first and all these, the
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  wonderful guests I've been able to have.
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  But just in talking to the guests, it helps my brain to
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  work differently. So it's usually a guest, but
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  then when I get two or three guests on, sometimes it's even
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  better. And I try to do that when
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  possible. So it's it's just more fun.
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  The more people, the more challenged, but maybe the more
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  value that comes out as well. And for people thinking about
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  this podcast, let's do what is kind of the average length.
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  That may vary, of course, but what's an average length of an
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  episode? Sure.
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  I would say about an hour 15, hour 20.
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  It's that's skewed by the ones that go an hour 30, hour 40.
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  I would say the average I try to make it about 70 just because I
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  think once you get to a certain length and it's like all the
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  things you can use and remember, but then it a lot of times it
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  ends up being a little bit longer.
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  But I, I like the long form. I find if it's about I, I did 2
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  podcasts for example in a row yesterday and one was 70 and the
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  other was an hour 30. And by the end of the second
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  hour 30, my brain, I could barely think.
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  I was slipping on words. So my brain only has so much
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  capacity to take notes and do this for so much time.
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  So 70s like the sweet spot, a lot of them end up a little bit
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  longer. Yeah, I love that.
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  So why you mentioned you started this eight years ago.
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  I love that you have a marker, by the way, your daughter 8
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  years old, so you know how how long it's been going on.
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  I love that. Why?
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  What was the motivation to start the podcast in the first place?
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  It's a good question because I would have never seen where it
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  is gone in a sense of when I started it.
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  You know, of course, all the traffic for my website and
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  things is on the website. And then I, I had no idea that
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  the majority of it eventually would be mostly on the podcast.
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  And it's social media too, which is its own animal,
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  unfortunately, an attention span based animal.
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  And that's where podcast is great because you you sit down
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  and you're more dialed into the whole thing.
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  But yeah, it's it's, I just did it because I had there was a
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  couple other podcasts I remember very well.
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  There was the Physical preparation podcast, which is
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  Mike Robertson's. There was Jay Demaio's, which is
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  Central Virginia sports performance, Both sports
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  performance. I don't even know what was
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  popular in track, honestly at the time, but I saw those.
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  I was like, oh, I guess this is a thing and I suppose I should
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  be doing this. And then the other piece with it
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  was, and that was really it. I just saw the people were doing
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  it. And I feel like I should.
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  But the bigger thing from a personal level was I had spent
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  so much time being very much of A lone wolf.
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  I'm going to read. I remember it's a reader.
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  So I study books and I read on my own and then I synthesize and
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  whatnot. But I realized I just needed to
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  have more conversations with other people to continue to
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  grow. So a lot of it was just my own
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  personal journey. And that has dramatically, and I
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  would say exponentially changed like even my own coaching
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  ability. It's like if people think about
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  I am a podcaster, but I I'm a coach.
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  And so this whole thing has been a learning conduit for me.
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  And selfishly at the beginning, the heritage just to try to be a
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  better learner with other people.
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  Yeah, I was going to say the same.
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  You know, there's a lot of, you're doing it for a lot of
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  altruistic reasons, but there is some selfishness of like I get
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  value as the host of interviewing these amazing
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  people that choose to be track coaches.
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  Absolutely. You know, sometimes things
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  evolve. Your coaching evolves, right?
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  You continue to hopefully get, you know, a little bit better
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  every year. Has the podcast evolved at all
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  or has it stayed the same in regards to the style that your
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  motivation, your thought process of what you're trying to put
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  out? That's a really good question
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  just because it is interesting. It's like the frog in the
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  boiling pot or whatever, right? Like it not, not that it's like
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  a bad ending here or anything like that, but you don't
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  sometimes it's interesting to be aware of what's changed as you
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  go along. And I think for me the when I
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  started, it was like, OK, wow, I have a podcast.
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  Well, I can interview this like level, you know, this
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  popularity, I guess that's awesome.
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  Oh, I got this popularity and you're you're first you're so
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  excited that all the big names in the industry you're
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  interviewing and this is great. And then there comes a day where
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  you kind of checked all those people off in a sense, you know,
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  and it's like, well, now what do I do?
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  And, and you always have to find a guest.
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  And sometimes people ask me, wow, how do you keep finding
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  people? And it seemed, you know, like
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  for the longest time was just funny because I would just run
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  out of ideas. And then someone like, send me
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  their book and I'd be like, all right, I'll read the book.
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  And I was like, ah, this is really good.
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  Let's do a podcast. And that happened, that type of
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  thing happened for a long time. And I will say, I think once I
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  got to about 300, so six years in, it got a lot harder.
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  I've had a lot of repeat guests on.
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  But I think that how I just see the whole education and training
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  sphere has changed in the sense of when I first started like
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  just happy to have people on. Then it was more probably
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  getting into what you would call more typical training
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  constructs. Here's exercises, sets, reps and
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  those types of things. And a lot of it has evolved
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  into, for me, the things that excite me is like motor learning
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  and environmental team environment factors and things
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  that I think there are things that the longer you've been
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  coaching, the more you're like, yes, this is the thing that
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  really does take the time and the skill to develop over time.
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  This is what makes a coach artful.
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  And but it was interesting is if I do a podcast on motor
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  learning, it gets less views than if it's like, Oh, the
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  speed, you know, something big speed podcast, just like the
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  very general, everyone loves that kind of thing.
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  But I to me, I've been a lot more drawn into the motor
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  learning space. The format's the same, even the
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  same little tunes, like the little guitar and tornado is the
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  same. My, my, I will say one thing,
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  I've gotten better as my pre roll where I used to introduce
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  the guests to talk about the show.
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  It was like 4, even 5 minutes at the beginning of this whole
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  thing, which is insane. And I hated doing it.
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  And I still don't like doing that part.
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  And now it's like 45 seconds just because it's like no one
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  wants to hear this. Like you realize you learn about
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  yourself. And so that I've improved a lot
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  just to try to really put that, you know, guest experience 1st
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  and also get myself out of the way.
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  But yeah, I've also kind of, I think the the things that I see
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  are different. And it's also interesting
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  because you get to see almost everyone's, the ideas, like
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  everyone has a shade of the truth or a lot of the truth, you
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  know, but everyone has a perspective on the truth.
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  And so you start to accumulate all these little perspectives
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  looking at the same thing. And to me that's so fascinating
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  because you just see the arguments on different sides.
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  Sometimes it's like, oh, well, I know these people have this
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  thought. You also see the personalities
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  behind it, which is cool. I'm getting a little bit long
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  winded, but that's been a really interesting and rewarding part
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  as this has really gotten into its.
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  I don't know what stage it's in, the latest stage in the middle.
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  I don't. I really don't know, but it's
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  been interesting for sure. I love that you know, for in
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  business businesses will create a profile called their ideal
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  customer profile. It's who is the person that
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  you're creating new products for marketing, trade showing,
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  etcetera. So if like here at Gill, you
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  know, certainly we do have moms and dads who buy some of our
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  equipment, athletic directors, construction contractors, but
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  our ideal customer is high school and college track
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  coaches. That's who we focus on and
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  everything that we do And the rest honestly is residual.
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  If a mom wants to buy a discus, well, we didn't make that for a
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  mom to buy a discus. We made that for coach to help
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  his athlete. Who would you call for your
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  podcast, your ideal listener profiles?
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  There's a lot of people that might listen, athletes, coaches,
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  strength coaches, the the people who just in general want to know
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  more about fitness and things like that.
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  But who is who are you really trying to speak to on each one
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  of your episodes? Yeah, that's a really good
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  question because like I mentioned, personality, my
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  personality is, is one that goes in many different directions.
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  You can call it ADD, but it's ultimately cap.
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  I like this. Just I want to know everything
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  there is to know about human performance.
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  Like I want to dig in as far as I can dig in.
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  And that mentality is actually I have, yes, a lot of track
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  coaches. I have a lot of sports
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  performance coaches, but I actually have more very
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  interested athletes and parents than I had thought.
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  Like I have people reach out. It's like, oh, I'm just, you
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  know, I not just a bit like, because no one's adjusted this,
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  but hey, I'm an athlete. Like I don't coach, but I really
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  love this. I listen to all your podcasts or
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  I'm a parent. I, I love sports performance and
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  watching my children grow and, you know, learn and move.
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  And so it's really that I and, and I don't know what that means
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  for a population. It's probably a bad business
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  plan to be honest, but it's just, and a lot of it's just
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  been capped on my own curiosity, which which tends to filter into
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  a variety of of sectors. So that would be, it's more of a
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  trait, I would say, than a specific population, yeah.
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  I love that, you know, you've been doing it for eight years.
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  You got lots and lots of podcasts, episodes out there.
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  What has been your favorite podcast episode that you've
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  done? And maybe another way to ask it
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  is maybe what's been your most popular, because those two might
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  not be the the exact same. What's been maybe the most
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  popular episode and what has been your personal favorite one?
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  Oh man, well let's see. I would say the most popular one
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  in in as per most statistics would be like Keith Barr.
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  The first tendon health and performance episode I did with
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  him. I've done 2, but the first one
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  that he did is was just a runaway hit because it
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  transcends so many populations. You could be a strength coach,
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  you could be a track coach, you could be an athlete with tendon
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  pain or something. You could be a researcher.
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  And so it's just so universal. And it's also a real simple
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  premise. So that one, I don't even know
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  how many views it got, but it was far and away the best in so
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  many ways. And another one that I'll say
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  it's my favorite, just, I mean, there's so many in the sense
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  that it was a total like, OK, here, I'm here.
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  And now I heard this and now I'm like, wow, this is a huge can of
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  worms. And I'm so excited to like go
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  into this was Christian Thibodeau, not a track coach,
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  but a Canadian strength coach. He had just started to come with
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  a system called a neuro typing system based off like 5 athlete
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  types, which is Charles Poliquin had something like that.
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  And he's going through these types and as he's going through
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  them, I'm like, oh, this is that athlete.
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  This is that athlete. This is and all these things are
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  starting to make sense and granted that that idea and
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  philosophy has been dramatically debated by other professionals,
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  but the basic ideas of these these types and some of the the
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  the ways to look at different buckets of athletes really got
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  me on a journey that it was. I had even like Ross Jeffs, the
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  track coach came on and he was in familiar by Christian and he
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  had his three types of sprinters, concentric,
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  scholastic and metabolic, and that was the kind of like the
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  underpinning was Christian's show in so many ways.
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  I'm sure I know Ross was influenced by a lot of others,
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  but to me that that set my mind going like nothing had in a
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  really long time, if ever. And so from just the like the
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  ideas and and seeing the world of training differently.
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  That was just absolutely massive.
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  It was really popular too, up there with Doctor bars.
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  But yeah, those two are very just very noteworthy in that
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  sense. You know, our listeners, we
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  certainly have a percentage of our listener base that have
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  maybe been with us from day one or you know, you've been around
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  for eight years now, maybe year 2 and have listened to all of
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  them. But most of our listeners kind
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  of come in and out depending on who the guest is or the time of
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  the year for them. But you as the podcast host,
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  you're there for every single one of them.
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  What have you learned? What about your own evolution as
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  a podcast host? What have you learned about
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  maybe yourself and maybe, and not necessarily like you talked
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  about there with Thibodeau and those guys about what you've
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  learned, like how to go coach better and things like that, but
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  you as a podcaster, what have you learned through these eight
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  years? Yeah, I'm glad you asked me that
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  question because when you first said I was like, it was going to
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  be as if it was going to be. What did you learn that you're
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  putting into your coaching? I'd be like, I don't even know
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  where to start. It's just like it's the notion.
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  Too much. But as a podcaster, that's a
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  great question. Much more, you know, finite in
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  the sense of being able to answer readily.
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  And I don't edit so many of the shows anymore, but I used to
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  listen to all of them. So I'm listening to myself and
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  all that stuff. And even now as I learn more
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  about myself, I realize if I could put in a word, it would be
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  grounded. Because the, the ground being
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  grounded is you can speak slowly and confidently and you know
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  which direction your mind is going.
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  And so for me, a lot of times and I, I, I know this myself
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  doing this when I'm talking, there's two things that I tend
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  to do that can get out of hand. And, and this, the podcast
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  experiences allow me to get a hold of those.
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  One is my mind goes too many directions at a time.
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  I talk too fast and I don't have this internal grounding,
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  patience and confidence with the topic at hand.
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  That can also happen very easily if IA guest I'm talking to is
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  extremely intelligent and it's actually overwhelming me
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  intellectually. Like I'm sitting in calculus
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  class and I can't absorb, but I have to come up with something
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  to say. My mind just starts to go in all
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  these directions to almost validate, hey, look, I have
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  something to say. You know what?
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  And it's it, it when it gets difficult.
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  So I see that tendency in myself and I can also notice it when I
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  coach. And then the other thing would
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  be just if this is just kind of funny.
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  This is out of something called neuro linguistic programming.
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  And it's like eye movements and you know what someone is saying
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  or think thinking based off the direction of their eye motion.
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  I think it's more conjecture than I don't think there's been
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  like Stanford's peer reviewed research found this, but I find
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  it very interesting to watch. And when I am talking all the
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  time, I see myself doing this, I will start looking up and to the
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  right or up and to the left and that's associated with how
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  you're processing. So I learned about myself, I
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  tend to be someone who processes things first more as an idea or
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  collection of ideas versus being on the ground first, if that
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  makes sense. So I just realized that about
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  myself. But I also realized it's that
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  can be hard for the listener to really process well.
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  And so to start from that place of groundedness and just to come
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  back to it more often, not only in this, but in the coaching
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  medium. And even as I'm talking, I'm
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  like, I'm becoming more grounded because I'm seeing this in
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  myself again, because I, you know, the last podcast I did,
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  I'm noticing this to myself. So those two are just big ones
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  that I've learned about myself. And then also, I'll just say to
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  the brevity, I used to have this really long winded pre rolls.
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  I've cut those down. And a lot of it is just
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  understanding what's important to the listener and getting my
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  own ego and and chatterbox out of the way there.
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  Yeah, that, that there's my problem right there, getting my
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  own ego out of the way. Exactly right.
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  I love that. All right.
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  Last two questions here, Joel, where can we find the podcast or
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  what may be of the major apps? And are you maybe on YouTube,
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  anything like that? Tell us where we can find it.
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  Sure, so just Live performance podcast on Spotify and iTunes
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  seem to be the ones that everyone goes for.
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  I think it's on everything. I don't know.
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  I have a guy who puts it out there for me, so I'm assuming
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  it's pretty much everywhere. You could find podcasts.
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  I just started to put a lot of the older episodes on YouTube
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  because people would say, oh, I could only go back 200 shows on
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  the app. And so I really try to make it
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  so, hey, if you wanted to find like that Christian Tibideaux
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  show I did, it's there. Or like your rant when I had
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  Randy Huntington on several times, that was really popular.
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  So eventually when that becomes, you know, ancient on the on the
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  apps, you can find it on YouTube.
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  So it's also on YouTube, all the backlog, there's no video.
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  So it's not very exciting there, but you know, you can get it.
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  So those are some places to access that.
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  I encourage all podcasters to put their stuff on YouTube,
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  whether you have a video component or not for two
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  reasons. One, it's another library for
• 17:54
  you and two, it is really popular for people to have
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  YouTube on in their offices without the video, you know, so
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  tapping to a different thing and doing their work.
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  And and so it's like a a podcast coming from your computer, but
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  it's just through YouTube. So I love that you do that and I
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  love that you had Randy Huntington on your podcast.
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  I love Randy very, very much so All right, so we know I'm a big
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  podcaster. So I've taught podcast
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  one-on-one classes, things like that.
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  And through all my research, I know that the average podcast
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  listener listens to between 7:00 and 10:00 different podcasts.
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  So I'm going to go out on the limb and say that you are
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  probably a podcast listener since you create podcasts.
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  What is your favorite podcast that's not track related?
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  Oh man, that's a good one. You know what, I, I let me real
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  quick, I can actually, well, I could say in the, in the
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  strength and performance here. I have them up in front of me
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  actually right now, so I can be a little bit better with that
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  one. But I've been listening a lot
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  that's not track and the just in like the strength and
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  performance. I, I've been listening to Bill
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  Hartman's podcast a lot. He's a he is, he's a physical
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  therapist and does strength and conditioning, but his view on
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  bio mechanics like I find trying to weave that with what I see on
• 18:58
  the track is just it's like to me it's like the same excitement
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  as Christian Tibideaux system. You see all these all the times
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  you saw someones technique. You feel like I queued him but
• 19:07
  then nothing changed or they feel like they couldn't change
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  or there was a physical structure they're working on.
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  Bill stuff has been really helpful with that.
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  Other than that, it's hard to say.
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  I I'm pretty eclectic. I can just generally tell you
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  topics more or less is probably like, I think very typical
• 19:21
  entrepreneur like things that are more than the personal
• 19:23
  development space that just so a lot of podcasts like whatever I
• 19:27
  was listening to very typical. But the last one, I'll just say
• 19:29
  the last podcast I was listening to was Tony Robbins was on Theo
• 19:33
  Von's podcast I. Find it interesting?
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  Yeah. Absolutely.
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  So like that's that's just an example of that I.
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  Love that. That's very cool.
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  I love that. Well, listener, here's my
• 19:42
  challenge to you. So we're we're pretty much done
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  today, right? So hit pause and the same app
• 19:47
  that you're listening to this right now, just search for just
• 19:50
  fly sports and it'll pop right up.
• 19:52
  And maybe the best way, kind of the way I think about trying out
• 19:55
  new podcast is 1 is maybe the most obvious.
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  Listen to the latest episode that will kind of give you a
• 20:00
  flavor of what you know where the podcast is today.
• 20:02
  And then some of those favorite podcasts of his that he talked
• 20:05
  about and the most popular one, maybe those are good ones to go
• 20:07
  search that library and check out those.
• 20:09
  So go check that out right here in the same app that you're
• 20:11
  listening. To and even on YouTube, again,
• 20:13
  you can just search just fly sports, but I just challenge you
• 20:16
  to go check those out, hit the subscribe button.
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  Then you'll know when his next episode's coming out.
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  And maybe that'll be a blessing to you and your career and your
• 20:23
  entertainment as well. So thanks for being here.
• 20:24
  We're going to do it all over again and see what the next
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  podcast might be. Thanks, Joel.
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  Appreciate you being here. Yeah.
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  Thank you, Mike.