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UK Column News - 27th October 2025 · UK Column Radio

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Good afternoon. It's Monday the 27th of October
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2025, just after 1:00. Welcome to UK column News.
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I'm your host Mike Robinson and my Co Co host in the studio
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today is Ben Rubin. Welcome to the program, Ben.
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Thanks, Mike. And joining us by video link are
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Sandy Adams and Diane Rasmussen. Now later in the program,
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Diane's going to be covering attempts to change behaviors in
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one of UK console and she'll be talking quite a bit about Magna
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Carta later on as well. Sandy is Sandy is going to be
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reporting on the World Heritage event in Glastonbury and protest
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over data centres in Merseyside. Ben's going to be covering more
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protests, this time with UKIP, but we're going to begin with AI
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and it's continuing roll out into government.
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Ben. Indeed we are.
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Yes. Hello everybody.
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Artificial intelligence. What could possibly go wrong?
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We're going to migrate all of government to a new
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technological paradigm. It's completely experimental.
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All core functions of major government departments are now
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going to be run on these new algorithmic systems built by
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multinational corporations owned by unaccountable billionaires
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with 0 loyalty to the British people.
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Who better to lead the charge than David Lammy?
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Let's have a listen. We're at a new technological
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frontier, one that will transform how government
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delivers for you. In our justice system, we're
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already seeing what's possible. AI is helping our probation
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officers spend less time on paperwork and more time working
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directly with offenders to cut crime and protect communities.
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It saves me hours of typing case notes and reports, allowing me
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to focus on what really matters, which are supporting my team and
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managing risks. I'm announcing that we're
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expanding this technology to 1000 more probation officers
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across the country. This is AI enabling us to be
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more human, not less. Handling routine tasks so people
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can focus on what humans. Can do AI is one of the most
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powerful tools governments have to modernize public services to
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make them faster, easier, and more reliable.
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That starts with giving public servants the best AI tools built
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with strong privacy and safety guard rails to help government
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work better for everyone. The Ministry of Justice is
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expected to save up to 240,000 days of valuable time every
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year, allowing staff to spend more time monitoring offenders
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and keeping our streets safe. There's a global race to lead on
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AI. We're determined to win it for
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jobs, for growth, A justice system that truly works for
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everyone. A global race for AI.
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Who decides that we're in a race?
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How does that happen? They decided for themselves.
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They're running this race. Nobody else particularly wants
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to be involved in it. It is big.
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Seems like a slippery slope to me, Ben.
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It certainly does, yeah. So, but they're at it.
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They're implementing this stuff. They're running experiments at
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the moment, right? But this is absolutely coming.
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So what's Lammy just described there?
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They've put this into the probation service.
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They're using it for case notes. So essentially conversations
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between probation officers and people who are going out onto
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probation are being recorded by this system, and then that's
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being annotated and that's been presented as something that is
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positive for society. Whereas actually what we're
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ending up with is really quite important.
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Interactions with crucial interactions with people who are
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going back into society are actually being handled by an
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algorithmic system. And there's no control here, as
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far as I can tell about what's being put into the system, how
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it's then being interpreted, and also what's going on with that
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information in the background, right.
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And this is just a microcosm. They talked about expanding this
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out to 1000 more case officers across the probation system.
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Apparently that's going to save 240,000 days a year.
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And the whole thing's presented almost as an advert for for open
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AI and by extension from Microsoft.
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I mean, that came from Lammy's personal Twitter page X page,
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and he's up there speaking as a joint representative of this
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initiative with the Chief commercial officer of Open AI.
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It's almost like the British government kind of in joint
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enterprise here with this multinational corporation.
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And of course, you know, it's not like there's anything
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particularly bad going on at the Ministry of Justice at the
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moment. I mean, let's not forget last
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week that Hadoosh Kabatu, the illegal immigrant who triggered
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the Epping protests, who had sexually assaulted a 14 year old
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girl in Essex just eight days after he crossed the Channel,
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was sent down for 12 months and then accidentally released from
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prison. At which point a manhunt then
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ensues around central London. And he's seen walking around
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McDonald's in, in, in Dalston, not far from where I used to
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live, right. So, you know, the people that
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have done this are the people that are implementing these new
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technological systems. And obviously, by the way, Lammy
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was quick to jump all over that after the gentleman was
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apprehended again, basically saying that he's going to be
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deported this week, assuming that they can still locate him
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when it comes around. So that needing to happen.
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So, but this isn't just the Justice Department.
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This is the the whole of the whole of government.
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So they've been running this trial since the end of last
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year. You can see here a report
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talking about the Microsoft 365 Copilot experiment which has
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been running across 20,000 civil servants in DWPHMRC, the Home
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Office, Ministry of Justice as we just talked about, plus a
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bunch of other government departments, Defra, ONS,
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Companies House. And apparently this is all about
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task completion, efficiency, user satisfaction, action and
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nothing whatsoever to do with centralisation of power and
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extraction of profit, which is ultimately the, you know, the,
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the end point of all of this. Importantly, particularly in the
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context of what we just heard about in terms of the probation
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service, one of the things that came out of this report is that
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in sensitive areas like grievance handling or
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performance evaluations, there is a lot of concern about the
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accuracy of the outputs and any area, any errors could lead to
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reputational risk. So I think that probably plays
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directly into this thing with the probation service, right?
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If you were having conversations with a prisoner about going back
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into society and that conversation is being
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inaccurately recorded and analysed by the system, then
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that could deliver severe reputational risk and not as
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reputational risk, public safety risks.
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And that's already been identified in the trial, but
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apparently no ones particularly interested in that and they're
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continuing to roll this whole thing out.
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In fact, this has now become the single issue for the civil
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service. We can see here the One Big
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Thing 2025 program which is now live.
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So the one big Thing, which runs from October until February next
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year, is about civil servants learning to use AI confidently
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and responsibly and applying it to the work that they do, which
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is all about apparently helping us be more efficient and
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effective as we deliver the citizens, even though that
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doesn't appear to be the outcome of this.
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Who's pushing this into the system?
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So be our behavioural insights team, absolutely front and
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centre in this. They released a kind of a
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blockbuster report actually. I mean, the amount of work that
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has gone into this, the AI and human behaviour report where
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they look at augmentation, adaptation, alignment and, and
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adaptation inside companies and government departments.
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We'll put a link to this like really quite in in some ways a
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phenomenal piece of work until you really begin to understand
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what it is they're trying to achieve with it.
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They've developed this process that they're taking
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organisations through, which is about moving from no adoption on
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the left hand side there in the centre to deep adoption on the
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right hand side and how to and helping people to build
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motivation, trust and capability to migrate along this journey.
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Essentially overcoming threats to things like competence,
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relevance and identity, right? So this is about manipulation
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and coercion into engagement with this new technology and
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overcoming questions like why am I making myself redundant, which
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is probably what a lot of people are asking is this stuff is
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being rolled out now. That report has come from this
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fella Michael Holdsworth, PhD, who's the chief behavioural
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scientist at the Behavioural Insights team, still basically
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not directly owned by the British government, but
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essentially operating as a kind of non governmental organization
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as part of Nestor's. We talk about them pretty much
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every week. Certainly I do.
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And this, this guy actually was one of the original co-authors
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of the Mindspace document, right?
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So the original document that came out in 2010, which was the
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precursor to the Behavioural Insights team and Nudge unit,
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developed in the Cabinet Office underneath David Cameron,
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obviously working closely with David Halpern, who's still the
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President, I believe, emeritus of the Behavioural Insights team
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and this guy's new book, entertainingly, it's called The
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Hypocrisy Trap, which apparently means he's telling us that we
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need to rethink hypocrisy and that will improve our
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relationships. What?
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Just by being more hypocritical. Well, you know, you just can't
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be, you can't be too judge mental on this stuff.
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You know, all right, these are the people pushing this stuff
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out into the system. And it's it's not just labour
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insights team in UK government. This is the whole, what do they
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call it? Civil society, charitable
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foundation, tech entrepreneur, tech visionary paradigm is
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pushing this thing forward. Let's have a look at Omejar
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network. They're talking about
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envisioning a future where our shared humanity steers our
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digital future. And they introduced this term
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recently, which is about hard wiring humanity to the grid.
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Yeah, think about that. They want to hardwire us to the
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digital control grid, starting in government but then
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absolutely rapidly moving across the rest of society as well.
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And this stuff is dangerous. I will be completely upfront
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with you. And we know it already, not
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least because of its provenance and where it's come from.
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But, you know, this report issued by MIT earlier on this
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year, she talks about this idea of cognitive debt and the fact
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that in their controlled trial, people who were using AI
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performed worse than their counterparts in all levels.
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So this is destroying people's minds, right?
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And it's been pushed into the education system.
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The whole thing's also built on fraud as well, pretty much,
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right? So they're certainly playing
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fast and loose with intellectual property legislation.
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Open AI submitted some evidence to the Lord's Communications and
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Digital Committee earlier on this year.
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I think it was actually, you know, start of last year, start
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of 24. And they were asked if they
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could explain their position on the use of copyrighted material.
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And they said, well, it would be impossible to train today's
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leading iron models without using copyrighted materials,
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which they haven't paid for, right?
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So essentially they've ignored the law.
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Let's just say that and actually this entire thing, this entire
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industrial paradigm is coming extraordinarily confusing
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financially, right? So they've introduced this term
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of a, what they're calling a circular economy, which is this
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phenomenon where you have a handful of tiny, a tiny handful
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of, of dominant companies who are basically engineering a new
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technological and financial system that everything in our
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society is going to run on. And they're blurring the lines
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between a customer, a supplier and a partner.
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So we can see that NVIDIA announced back in September that
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it was going to invest $100 billion in Open AI and NVIDIA
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make the microchips that this stuff runs on.
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Open AI is the organization that builds the, the the AI models
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and that David Lammy is introducing into the government,
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amongst others. NVIDIA announced an investment
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of 100 billion into Open AI and in exchange, Open AI committed
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to building 10 gigawatts of data centre capacity.
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So basically, we'll give you some money, but then you give it
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straight back to us. And then we present this as
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turnover and economic activity. But it's not, it's kind of
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closed loop of people just shuffling money around between
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themselves really doesn't make any sense at all.
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And that's just one example out of this diagram.
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And this is, this came from Bloomberg.
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There's a lot of people talking about this at the moment.
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My view is the circular is really just a way of saying this
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is basically an elaborate scam. And this completely takes us
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immediately straight back into this territory because Microsoft
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are at the centre of this, are a strategic partner of the World
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Economic Forum. The organisations on that chart
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that we can see here that aren't World Economic Forum partners
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are largely owned by organisations like BlackRock,
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who owns 8% of NVIDIA. And actually, I suppose none of
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this should really be a surprise because our justice system as of
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2019, based on this program, AI Advisory Group established by
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Lord Burnett of Malden, who was the Lord Chief Justice at the
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time, was set up alongside of a bunch of other senior judges,
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but also a lady called Cade Burth Butterfield, who is the
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head of AI and machine learning at the World Economic Forum.
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So this this has been engineered for at least six years now and
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that this is what our government is being migrated onto.
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This is going to be a big topic during UK called News Extra, I
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have no doubt. Diane, let's let's welcome you
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onto the program. And well, one council in the UK
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has been having interesting conversations, including about
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behaviour. So let's let's hear what you
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think about that or what's been going on.
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Yeah, thanks Mike and hello Ben and Sandy and, and to everyone
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watching today, it's great to be here.
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I attended a Durham County Council meeting at last week on
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the 22nd of October because it's the council where I live now
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currently. And there have been some
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interesting things going on in this council, largely because
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there's very large majority of Reform Party local councillors
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who really do seem to be doing the best they can for their
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local residents. And so I wanted to cover a
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little bit about what happened at some of the the two main
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points of the meeting. And 1 is about about freedom of
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expression, the council. And the other one is about
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Maya's Law, which is related to child safeguarding, which I will
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speak about a bit later. I wanted to credit to me the
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people Northeast, the Rumble channel that I work with appear
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locally. They have recorded a large
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portion of the the council, which is now available on the
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Rumble channel. And this will be available if
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you want to watch the full video in the show notes as well as the
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entire council meeting, which is available on YouTube directly
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from the council. But what I would like to talk
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about first is the amendment to the Code of Conduct based on
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freedom of expression. And the amendment has to do with
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relating to Human Rights Act in 1898, Article 10.
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And saying that basically that any member of the council has
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the right to say what they want to say based in speeches or in
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writing and on social media. And that this is a proposal to
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amend the member Code of Conduct to include specific reference to
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members rights to freedom of expression.
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So first, let's hear how they announced this item in the
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agenda. The report sets out the legal
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basis for freedom of expression under Article 10 of the European
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Convention of Human Rights in the Human Rights Act 1998, and
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in particular the right for individuals to express their
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views through public protest and demonstrations, published
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articles, books, leaflets, television or radio
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broadcasting, works of art, the Internet and social media.
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So that's the item and now I'd like to play a clip from
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Councillor Darren Grimes, who is the deputy leader of Durham
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County Council, who has reformed.
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We need to actually get back to a sensible democratic debate
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where each of us recognise that we are ultimately accountable to
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our voters at the ballot box. If our voters find what any of
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us in this Chamber have said on social media, in this chamber,
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wherever else to be objectionable in any way, shape
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or form, they are absolutely free to do.
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What is their right, their democratic rights that we wear
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this poppy to actually stand up and remember those who fought
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for us to actually be able to exercise that right.
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And that right says that if you invite someone at the ballot box
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who stands for election, you are able to put them up the behind
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and tell them to get out, right? It's as simple as that.
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I'm accountable to the people of County Durham through that
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ballot box and long may that continue to be the case.
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But I'm afraid what we've seen actually since May is the
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weaponisation of the standards process, a weaponisation to
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actually alter people down who you disagree with, with
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vexatious complaint that says I didn't like something you said.
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You know what I say to that? That's called life.
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You don't always agree with everything anyone says.
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I think you'll find that both of us on this side of the chamber
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disagreed vehemently when the Liberal Democrats stood up and
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said to a vote in which 17.4 million people took place.
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Bollocks to Brexit, That was offensive to me.
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I didn't complain about any of the Liberal Democrats.
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I stood against them in an election and we did quite well
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actually. I wonder why that is.
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Could it be because there was obviously to contend evidence
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for the electorate? I would because it has to guess
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My friends are actually imposing you and taking part in that
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process. So in response to that, we have
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a reply from Councillor Amanda Hopgood, who is the leader of
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the Liberal Democrats here in County Durham.
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And let's hear what she had to say about what Darren said.
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Councillor Hopgood. Yeah.
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Thank you, Chair. I think it's already been said.
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No one in here, I'm sure, will disagree with the principle of
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free speech. In reality, Chair, though, this
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amendment does nothing more than put into writing what is already
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considered when each complaint comes in.
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But what it is doing is publicly given.
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In their view some members the right to be aggressive and
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offensive all in the name of politics.
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It won't reduce the number of complaints, it's already been
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confirmed by the monitoring officer.
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The complaints will still have to be looked into whether or not
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this passes or not. The only thing that will
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actually change the number of complaints and therefore up till
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now 11,000 lbs of wasted taxpayers money is the people
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being complained about changing their behaviour.
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So her overall point being that just because we can't say
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something in the chamber doesn't mean that we should do so.
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So then there was a bit of chaos that broke out after that.
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Let's see this final clip. The dehumanization that comes
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from opposition members who have the goal, the temerity to
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suggest that their record is completely unbleashed in that
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regards. How dare you?
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How dare you? Yeah.
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And I find it absolutely extraordinary that Councillor
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Shuttleworth, who stands up and frankly is aggressive in his
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tone in nature, can stand there and say that actually we on this
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side of the chamber have questions to answer.
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I would ask him to take a good hard look in the mirror.
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Ultimately, the Liberal Democrats, I believe, have shown
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their authoritarians here. The Liberal part of their name?
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Long since forgotten. The Democrat part of their name,
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Well, no. No further than that Brexit
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vote, that's forgotten too. I think ultimately the
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authoritarian street is to call for censorship.
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I'll note that the leader of the Opposition stood up there and
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said I need to change my behaviour.
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Do you know what that means, my friends?
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It means silence. It means censorship.
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What is liberal about that? The key tense of liberalism,
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which may I please raise the point of political.
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Moment. May I raise a point of personal
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reflect clarification. I did not say that whatsoever.
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I did not infer that he had to stop putting posts on at all or
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silence them. Those were the word.
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Science never came out of my mouth when I spoke.
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Thanks for the clarification, Council.
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Grimes, Tony. Download, please.
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OK. So the change of behaviour, what
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could that mean in the context of speech, if not silence?
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I find that absolutely extraordinary goal.
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The same thing. I did not say silence.
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He can say that twist it as many times as he wants, but I did not
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say he had to be silenced. I said it was a change of
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behaviour. So, Mike, I don't know if you
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have anything to say about this change in behaviour, but just to
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say that this amendment passed of 63 to 28 votes.
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OK, very good. No, I've got nothing, nothing
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particularly to add to that. But what?
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What is? What is Maya's law then?
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Maya's law is something that is in sort of supporting this
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little girl who was shaken to death in 2022 by her mother's
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boyfriend. The mother is now in prison in
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the BBC reported last week, unfortunately that on the 15th
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of October that Parliament turned down this law taking
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place which is basically meant to help identify, notify those
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who might be putting children at at risk.
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It is also supported locally because the girl was in County
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Durham by Amanda Hopkud, who we just heard from the the Liberal
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Democrats, as well as Liz Twist who is the Labour MP up here in
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the area. Unfortunately, however, what we
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found out when we heard from the children's Minister, the Labour
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MP Josh McAllister, he said that he agrees that we need to change
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the law and that is what we are undertaking.
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However, I do not believe that now would be the time to to
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introduce a child risk disclosure scheme specifically,
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but many of the proposals are reflected in what the government
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is taking forward. So basically he's saying it's
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not the time for child safeguarding against potentially
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dangerous people being around children.
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I did an interview with Councillor Kenny Hope, who is
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another Reform councillor here in County Durham on Maya's Law
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who's been leading the effort to promote this in County Durham
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and around the country. So here's a short clip from
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that, from that interview that I had with Kenny after the meeting
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on Tuesday. All right.
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Hello, this is Diane Rasmussen with UK column.
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I just watched a very long County Council meeting with
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Councillor Kenny Hope present. Of course, I wanted to talk to
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you in particular about Maya's law because I know that you've
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been doing a lot of work to get this law through.
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And if you could maybe tell the audience a little bit about what
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the law is for and what what you want to do with it.
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Yeah. So Maya's Law is strengthening
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safeguarding if if children baby Mia was murdered by her mum's
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boyfriend several years ago and it was a bit of a harrowing,
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harrowing event, and if these safeguarding measures were in
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place then that could have prevented Mia's death.
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Hence the reason why we at full council today are very, very
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strong in wanting to move forward, change our policies to
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help now in County Durham, our safeguarding policies within
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within the county to further look after our children.
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So just to say quickly, there is a petition that is available on
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the UK government website. It has just under 8000
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signatures. Of course we need even 10,000 to
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even get it looked at in Parliament.
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So this will be about disclosure and safeguarding for these at
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risk children. And the link to sign the
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petition will be in the show notes.
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So everyone please sign to help us get this passed.
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Thank you. OK, Dan, thank you very much for
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that. Sandy, let me welcome you to the
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program. And well, we're heading off to
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Glastonbury again, where all the best Agenda 21 Agenda 2030
25:02
activity seems to happen and we're we're looking at World
25:05
Heritage. Indeed, I mean it's been fun and
25:09
games actually. This last Saturday on the 25th,
25:13
Glastonbury Town Council held a consultation event regarding the
25:17
ongoing scoping exercise for WHS status.
25:21
That's the people haven't asked for, which has currently cost
25:24
over 30,000 lbs when they can't even maintain the public toilets
25:29
here. So it's, you know, the people
25:31
aren't too happy about it. It was very poorly advertised.
25:35
I've got a a slide here to show you the the makeshift shift
25:40
board went up 45 minutes before the and you can see they really
25:45
spent a lot of money on that one.
25:47
And there was another huge event happening at the same time in
25:50
the town. And this wasn't a mistake
25:52
because it happened the same time last year.
25:54
They were, you know, the, the event was, was, was happening
25:58
when there was a big event in the town.
26:00
So they are actively discouraging people to attend.
26:04
So we did our own internal advertising for it.
26:07
And they were very shocked that so many people turned up because
26:10
they did, they weren't expecting it and they didn't want it.
26:14
So yeah, we had the next slide is, is the consultants we had,
26:20
we had two people speak on behalf of the contractors about
26:24
local WHS bids that were successful to WHS, and that was
26:29
the city of Bath and Asbury and Stonehenge.
26:32
And there was a level of manipulation to try and get us
26:34
to agree that it was a good idea because they just really
26:37
presented the very what they thought were the positive
26:40
aspects. Now, it wasn't long before the
26:43
17 goals crept into the PowerPoint.
26:46
And he was challenged by a resident about the links to the
26:50
UN and the WEF, quite rightly. So.
26:54
Let's hear how he tried to justify this.
26:56
He was actually a really nice guy, but was a bit misinformed.
27:01
Oh yeah, we had that. There's this, we'll go straight
27:04
to, yeah, there's a, a clip of the, there's a slide of the, the
27:08
woman that she, this lady was, was presenting on on behalf of
27:14
WHS for the Avebury and Stonehenge, which has a lot of,
27:19
a lot of adverse reactions to what's happened at Avebury and
27:23
Stonehenge with, with what's happened to the sacred sites
27:27
there. So let's hear what this, this
27:29
consultant has, has to say about what he believes.
27:34
He's got the 17 goals there up on the on the screen and he
27:37
doesn't really get it. You listen to what he says.
27:40
He's a lovely man but sadly doesn't get it.
27:44
No, what the what relationship is between the World Economic
27:47
Forum and UNESCO is I can speak to these.
27:51
So we adopt the indicators and we respond to the indicators in
27:57
the Sustainable Development Goals.
27:58
So I'm going to say 2 for example, 1 is about eradication
28:02
of poverty. Now how that influences how we
28:04
campaign for new housing and developments is to ensure that
28:12
or to we campaign that developers ought to be creating
28:16
more space for allotments and prophecy gardens so people have
28:20
the ability to grow their own food, so that there is greater
28:23
control over use of chemicals, over the availability of food,
28:26
the affordability of food. That's a fundamental way for us
28:30
to be able to influence in a very direct way how people can
28:37
help to eradicate poverty, which is why, you know, it's not,
28:40
we're not the only reason. I'm not proclaiming all of that,
28:43
but Bath has got double the number of allotments per person
28:46
who lives in Bath than the average of the UK.
28:49
We're not going down to World Heritage, but it gives us a
28:52
focus to be able to specifically look at those indicators and how
28:59
those can be changed through our work.
29:03
However, the. Recognition of polity through
29:10
the world is the fact that none is alone.
29:12
Absolutely. I'm not here to.
29:13
I'm honestly, I'm not here to disagree with you.
29:14
My, my journey. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
29:16
Absolutely. Absolutely.
29:19
So all I can say is I haven't got anybody coming in to Bath
29:22
telling me how to run my business, how to run the charity
29:27
that I work, what our campaigning priorities are.
29:30
I don't have a group of people influencing what we should be
29:33
saying and how we work in in engaging people.
29:36
That's self determination. That's what we do as an
29:38
independent charity and we are facilitators to be independent
29:42
because, like it or loathe it, that tourism is good enough in
29:46
Bath to make our charity financially independent.
29:49
So we are free of a voice about how we express ourselves now.
29:55
So he thinks he's autonomous or the World Heritage Site or
29:59
whatever is autonomous, but they are clearly not.
30:03
So after the presentation we were encouraged to discuss any
30:06
issues with three different groups on round tables, the
30:09
consultants, the council and the working party and the public
30:14
group who'd been cherry picked by the council.
30:16
It's a form of gatekeeping. And this, this next slide is a
30:20
warrior woman who stood up on a chair and refused the Delphi
30:24
technique that they, they'd encourage us to, to participate
30:28
in, which is where they put you on separate tables.
30:31
And, and we, we were, we were asking for a panel discussion
30:35
actually. Now this lady in pink in the
30:38
next slide was she's the, the deputy town clerk became very,
30:43
very irate, I have to say, saying it was their event and we
30:46
must do as we're told. We don't tell people in
30:50
Glastonbury to do as they're told.
30:52
So we won the battle for a panel Q&A and we had a heated
30:55
discussion about the lack of transparency regarding unminuted
30:59
secret meetings with lack of community engagement and a a
31:03
call for an open debate. Now, I, I did look at some of
31:07
these slides. If we have the next slide up
31:10
within the presentation, I realized there was some very
31:13
interesting slides and, and following it up, one of them was
31:17
the sustainable Tourism toolkit. And so I looked at this and I
31:23
put everything in the show notes.
31:24
It's really interesting to have a look at this because there is
31:27
a, a rather darker agenda at at at play here.
31:31
So I did some research and it, it, this particular toolkit
31:36
explains the collaboration of the UN and the WF in the
31:39
transformation of tourism under the 17 sustainable goals with
31:44
the United Nations World Tourist Organization, who have this sort
31:51
of logo with tourism at the heart of the 17 goals.
31:55
Now the next, the next slide is, is how in, in this document,
32:01
which is the, the, the UN tourism document, how they are
32:06
using goal 12:14 and 8:00 to promote this.
32:11
And they, they, they've put addendums to these three goals.
32:16
So for instance, target 8, they've put it Target 8.9 devise
32:21
and implement policies to promote sustainable tourism that
32:26
creates jobs and promotes local culture and products.
32:29
And then also SGG 12 point B develop and implement tools to
32:35
monitor sustainable development impacts for sustainable tourism.
32:40
So if we then go on to the next slide, now I looked at this,
32:45
this is EU, the the UN tourism's digital transformation under the
32:52
seventeen goals. And it, you know, once
32:55
inscribed, basically the World Heritage status becomes a
32:59
subject to international oversight by ENESCO and it's
33:03
partner bodies. So local control is kind of
33:06
eroded and they take control really.
33:09
Sites are activated economically through the global tourism
33:12
industry involving public private partnerships.
33:16
Now we've spoken about all this, this big corporations coming in
33:20
and and taking over. And UNESCO pushes visitor
33:24
management systems and digital destination platforms part,
33:28
which is part of the broader smart city, smart region model
33:31
under Gender 2030. It's been a very long term plan
33:34
because Tony Blair's government and the obviously the Lisbon
33:38
Treaty explicitly promoted a post industrial model.
33:42
Now this is something I've been looking at for years,
33:44
positioning the UK as a service and cultural hub within a
33:48
globalised economy. And manufacturing that was
33:51
destroyed in the 1980s by all those governments would be
33:56
outsourced to low cost regions, while Britain would profit from
33:59
finance, education and tourism, all tightly integrated with
34:03
supranational governance. And this is this is where this
34:05
is all coming together in my head.
34:07
So heritage and tourism become instruments of technocratic
34:11
management and surveillance, not necessarily preservation, and
34:15
certainly not spirit spiritual pilgrimage.
34:18
And it's been witnessed at Machu Picchu and Uluru, both WHS sites
34:23
and other world sacred sites where indigenous local people
34:26
have been overlooked. So I also, I was looking at this
34:30
and thinking, well, the whole idea of the long term idea of
34:34
this plan of the SDGS is to actually reduce plane and car
34:39
travel. So where does this fit in with
34:40
tourism? And I suddenly, you know, got a
34:43
bit of an aha moment and here we go.
34:45
The next slide is virtual reality market size.
34:50
And these are the biggest virtual reality sectors, you
34:56
know, that are coming through. And the next 1 is really how
35:00
that can be monetised. And the, the, the fact that the,
35:03
the, the market for virtual reality tourism is massive.
35:08
And this is what we're looking at.
35:10
So the next slide is, yeah, digital and virtual travel.
35:14
Now this comes from the UN World Tourist Organization.
35:18
It says the use of technologies including the Internet of
35:21
Things, location based services, art, virtual intelligence,
35:25
augmented, augmented and virtual reality are you know, they're,
35:30
they're bringing all of this in and it's a, it's a way of, of
35:33
keeping the carbon down. If you can sit at home and and
35:37
go somewhere in your virtual reality headset instead of
35:40
actually getting on a plane, then it's a win for them.
35:43
So this is this is sadly, this is what we're looking at.
35:49
Sandy, thank you. Sandy, thank you very much for
35:51
that. Now let's move on and say if you
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Now tonight Jerome is talking to Quinton Junk.
36:29
The title of this is he was told he would die within four years
36:33
and in fact he went on to live for 20 so far and is still going
36:37
strong. That's on Germ Warfare tonight,
36:39
so have a look at this at 7:00 if you can.
36:44
And Dan, very, very briefly, please.
36:47
The so-called Banned Books and Libraries article is now up.
36:52
Yes, thanks Beck. I just posted this this morning.
36:54
This is a version of the article that I posted in the Scottish
36:58
Union for Education sub stack a couple of weeks ago.
37:00
There's some very important information here again about the
37:03
child safeguarding and what our children are being faced with in
37:07
libraries today. OK, so that is up on the UK
37:10
column website front page now reject digital ID.
37:14
Diane, 1st of November, you're speaking at this one?
37:18
Yes I am. This is a please join us on the
37:20
1st of November at the Monument in Newcastle.
37:22
I will be there speaking along with Fiona, Rose Diamond and and
37:26
someone from the Freedom Alliance.
37:27
So please join us, it'll be a great day.
37:30
And then why Scottish education matters?
37:34
This is the conference for the Scottish Union Free Education
37:37
which I will be attending as well on the 15th of November.
37:40
Tickets are around 25 lbs in Glasgow.
37:43
OK. Thank you, Diane.
37:45
Now to get back on track here a little bit, we have a couple of
37:51
video clips from the from the conference that we want to show,
37:54
but we'll do that in in extra from the conference that we held
37:57
a week or so ago. But let's let's move on.
38:00
Then the question is, is history repeating itself?
38:04
Banned. It doesn't repeat, but it
38:06
rhymes. Isn't that what they say?
38:07
That's what they say. They do, yeah.
38:09
Someone in the chat box a minute ago said is the civil war
38:11
started yet? And they're certainly trying for
38:14
it. So this weekend up in London,
38:18
there were a bunch of St. protests.
38:20
The Guardian presenting this is a rerun of the famous Battle of
38:24
Cable Street from I think it was 1936 where anti fascists
38:29
protested against Moseley's black shirts and they're saying
38:33
that history is repeating. Essentially what this is about
38:36
is a UKIP protest. Interestingly, not Tommy
38:39
Robinson, it's UKIP. You can see there.
38:42
Haven't seen that in a while actually, that purple flag,
38:45
right? Yeah.
38:46
And but they're very much in the kind of, as you would expect, in
38:49
the National, in the nationalist spirit, should I say, but not
38:54
welcoming White Chapel scenes of provocation.
38:56
So the March was diverted up to the West End and they walked
39:00
down, I think these actually looks like New Oxford Street.
39:02
And they walked down to Speakers Corner, but you can see there
39:06
someone's holding a crucifix. You've got lots of Union Jacks,
39:10
lots of, I don't know. Well, they almost look like
39:11
Templar flags, don't they? And there's certainly a lot of
39:14
Christian iconography of play here led by this chap Nick
39:18
Tenchoni, who's been the leader of UKIP since February.
39:22
So another splinter organization to dish unite the right wing of
39:27
British politics, pretty much exactly the same as what's going
39:30
on the left wing of British politics at the moment as well
39:33
with the Green Party and what Corbyn and Zara Sultana are up
39:36
to. And then the response over back
39:39
over in Whitechapel was the the local kind of Bangladeshi and
39:43
Pakistani Muslim crowd community I saw is mainly the men were out
39:48
on the street all blacked up and faces covered and protecting
39:56
their turf essentially, right. And this is very much in the
40:00
vein of this kind of slippery slope towards sectarianism that
40:04
we appear to be being dragged down at the moment.
40:06
And I don't think this is heading in a particularly
40:08
positive direction at all. But one of the things that
40:12
jumped out at me in particular was this interaction now between
40:17
one of the stand up to racism, anti fascist protesters and some
40:23
of these young men, these young Muslim men out on the streets of
40:26
Whitechapel. Let's have a little look.
40:28
There's no. Need for that?
40:33
We're on the side side bro. Yes we are bro.
40:42
Do you hear that? We're on the same side bro?
40:45
No, we're not. Which puts quite an interesting
40:48
spin on that, doesn't it? Because stand up to racism.
40:51
We're going up all around the country on a weekly basis.
40:54
They're in Plymouth over the weekend.
40:56
They're all around the UK standing up for immigrant
41:01
community, standing up for refugees, facing down the anti
41:06
fascist building. This, you know, United Colours
41:10
of Benetton Group of, of, of, of, of all different races and
41:18
creeds. But actually it turns out that
41:20
that is a very shaky alliance. And I think that what these, for
41:24
me, that's a really stand out moment, I think.
41:26
And these deserve to be seen by a lot of people, particularly on
41:29
the political left, right, because actually what you think
41:32
is happening is not actually what was happening.
41:34
And it's entirely possible we're going to start to see some of
41:38
these supposed alliances disintegrate, and then who knows
41:41
what will happen. The the UKIP demonstrators,
41:45
they're supposedly right wing fascists.
41:48
Of course. Oh yes.
41:49
They they are, they're barefaced.
41:52
You can see exactly who they are exactly.
41:54
The left wing protesters covered up and we'd actually couldn't
41:58
see who they're. Always masked up.
42:00
Yeah, absolutely. And then I look at all of those
42:02
young, the, the sort of the young Bangladeshi men, and it's
42:06
like they will. It's almost like they're in
42:08
uniform. So you're saying black shirts?
42:10
You know, we're presenting this as the back of the cable St.
42:12
OK, Well, mostly fascists with the black shirts.
42:14
Well, they're all there in black shirts.
42:16
Like, was it? What's actually going on there?
42:17
Not, not quite as cut and dry as the Guardian certainly would
42:20
have you believe. Sandy, let's come back to you
42:22
then and sticking with the idea of protest, but this time over
42:27
the dissenters. Yes, the, the goodly people of,
42:32
of Merseyside, their, their national residents association
42:36
held an event on Saturday and I, I was just really knocked out by
42:41
how aware they were and how well they presented their case about
42:45
these data centres because without the, the data centres,
42:49
digital ID cannot happen really. So here's one of the banners
42:53
from, from the from the event and it, it, it really he tells
43:00
you exactly what these data centres are all about.
43:02
If I can have the next slide up. Yeah, there's about, there's
43:05
hundreds of these planned for the UK.
43:08
They, they've got extreme power consumption, which is less power
43:12
for the people. One MW is 24 hours power for
43:16
1000 homes. There are massive fire risk due
43:20
to thermal run runaway which has happened and and these flat
43:24
fires take take hours and hours to put out.
43:27
And the, the the fire brigade are against these data centres
43:30
as well. By the way, generators and
43:33
lithium battery storage say these are all toxic water is
43:36
needed to cool them down. And it's, it, it really what,
43:41
you know, what these data centres mean for us is that
43:44
basically we lose out and, and the, and the digital ID marches
43:49
on. So I just want you to just, if
43:52
you could just listen to this, this clip from the National
43:56
Residents Association, which I must say I did.
43:59
I've done an interview with Cassie from National Residents
44:02
Association. Do look at it very, very
44:04
powerful. But let's have a look at this
44:06
next clip from the Merseyside National Residents Association.
44:10
Thank you. Welcome friends, concerned
44:14
residents welcome today's today's rally.
44:20
Sefton Residents Association part of the National Residents
44:24
Association and the the rally for today is about the site
44:28
which is proposed for a data centre just here Bridal Rd. in
44:32
Bootle. The aim of today's rally is to
44:36
raise awareness most local residents about the risks and
44:39
impacts and the things that they can do to push back against this
44:42
proposal. This proposal's in the planning
44:45
stage at the moment and we have every opportunity to push back
44:48
and work back against the the infrastructure that's been
44:51
placed upon us as part of a surveillance society.
44:56
Some background to National Residents Association, it was
44:58
formed in 2022 by a group of concerned residents from around
45:01
the UK. They must create a national
45:04
group which can protect our national and local communities.
45:07
New members are always welcome from anywhere in the UK and more
45:10
associations that join the more influencer that we have.
45:13
The National Residents Association is an umbrella
45:15
organization helping local groups to organize themselves.
45:19
Because Keir Starmer has given the British population the
45:22
greatest chance in human history to change this world for the
45:26
better. Inadvertently be it.
45:29
But he doesn't know the opportunity that he has given us
45:33
to unite behind one single cause, and that is the digital
45:37
identity. Yeah.
45:40
Yeah. I want to cover three things.
45:42
I want to show you a vision of what his world will look like
45:46
and his global partners. I want to show you how and who
45:51
are putting this world together for us.
45:54
I want you to go away and research everything I say.
45:57
Do not believe anything I say, but I will give you specific
46:01
people who will tell you more detail and truth than I can.
46:05
And thirdly and most importantly, I want to give you
46:09
solutions. Well, there we go.
46:15
People of Sefton really, really well informed and and yeah, the
46:20
the National Residents Association doing a great job
46:22
there. Thank you.
46:24
Thanks, Sandy. Diane, let's let's come back to
46:28
you then. And Durham Cathedral has been
46:31
featuring Magna Carta. Yeah, they've had a really great
46:35
exhibition that has been on since July and it ends on the
46:38
2nd of November. So excuse me, I thought this
46:41
would be a good time to talk about the exhibition, which I
46:44
visited just over the weekend in case anyone wants to go in its
46:47
final week. So this is the officially, the
46:50
name of the exhibition is Magna Carta, and the North Durham
46:53
Cathedral in particular has a lot of documents that are
46:56
related to the Magna Carta, including early and original
46:59
versions which are not found everywhere and they're only
47:02
available every few years. So it's a really chance to see
47:05
what is available once you go into the exhibition space, you,
47:09
you, you first, you see a whole lot of really beautiful
47:11
historical items on display. So this is kind of just the sign
47:15
that you see when you're first going into heading towards where
47:18
the actual big Nakarta's are located.
47:20
So I just want to go quickly through a few of these just just
47:24
for a little bit of visual enjoyments.
47:26
There's some Roman stones here that are on on available for
47:29
example. We also have a library, so of
47:33
course is UK columns Librarian had to mention the library with
47:37
the space that you walked through to get to the exhibition
47:39
area was originally the dormitory of the monks that used
47:42
to be part of Durham Cathedral. And it has now been what is
47:46
called the new library since for since 1856.
47:50
When you finally go into the exhibition space where there are
47:53
only 15 people allowed in at a time and there is an airlock to
47:57
protect the documents that are available.
47:59
There are some things related to the basically the start of the
48:03
Magna Carta and some of the political situations that led to
48:06
what happened. So here's one for example.
48:09
That is I just took this photo because I thought it was just a
48:12
beautiful documents of course called Polypritus written by
48:16
John Salisbury around 11:59. This version is from about 14
48:20
Madrid and this document says, according to the exhibition,
48:23
explored political authority, including what makes a good or a
48:27
bad ruler. Drawing on stories from the
48:30
Bible of bad kings punished by God.
48:32
It even suggests ways to deal with them.
48:34
Quote. It is not only permittable
48:36
permitted, sorry, but it is also equitable and just to stay
48:40
tyrants to slay tyrants. Sorry, I'm confusing that to
48:43
slay tyrants. This text may have influenced
48:46
the barons when they included a clause in the 12:15 articles
48:49
putting the King's affair under their scrutiny.
48:52
So from there we could go on to see why the North and Durham
48:55
were so important to the Magna Carta.
48:58
It was the barons who rebelled against King John in the North
49:01
in 12/15. They were from all across
49:03
England, but most of them were from the North and so they
49:05
became known as the Northerners and they were the ones rebelling
49:09
against King John for some things that were going on at the
49:12
time. And these articles were the
49:14
barons that resulted from their work aimed at limiting the
49:17
powers of King John and preventing unjust behavior,
49:20
establishing that no one, not even the king, which is
49:23
important in 2025, was above the law.
49:27
These demands eventually became the document we know today as
49:30
the Magna Carta and Durham in particular was important because
49:34
it was being so close to Scotland and so on, but also
49:37
because of the the the northern location.
49:40
It was strategically important for various reasons, and they
49:44
sort of had some situations around the outside of the direct
49:48
authority of the crown, and they became very powerful for this
49:51
situation, geographically and politically and otherwise.
49:55
So I took a few photos which I know we won't be able to read,
49:58
but just to kind of understand what they look like to go
50:01
through very quickly. This is the original 1216 Magna
50:05
Carta. And then from there we've got
50:07
the 1217 Chamber of the Forest, which goes along with the Magna
50:11
Carta. This was issued on behalf of
50:13
King Henry the Third when he was 10 years old.
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The charter curbed the unbridled power of the monarchy over
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England's forest and reasserted the rights of the common people.
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Then there's the 1225 Magna Carta, which is available next.
50:28
And then also we have the related 1225 Chamber of the
50:32
Forest, which again extended the the Magna Carta.
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As I said previously in the updated version, this is from
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the exhibition from the preamble from the 1225 Magna Carta with
50:42
the Great Seal of the King saying quote, know that we have
50:46
of our own spontaneous goodwill given and granted to all of our
50:50
realm. These liberties written below to
50:52
be held in our Kingdom of England forever.
50:56
And so this is known as the definitive Magna Carta.
50:59
The 1225 version the the kind of it was the one of the the final
51:04
version that as it was issued under the king seal was on the
51:07
28th of March 1300. And there are only a few
51:11
examples of the 1300 version that survives.
51:14
And Durham Cathedrals example is an almost perfect condition
51:17
apparently according to the other ones that are still in
51:20
survival, but is the 1225 version that is used as the
51:23
definitive version in terms of what the text says.
51:27
And so from there, we can see this was something that was
51:30
displayed in Galilee Chapel, which is part of Durham
51:32
Cathedral, sort of summarizing how this is still important to
51:36
us today, saying that Magna Carta established the principle
51:39
that everyone is subject to the law, even the king.
51:44
It guarantees the rights of individuals, the right to
51:46
justice and to a free trial. And I went there with Tim
51:51
Coulter from We the People Northeast, who has also
51:53
contributed to UK column. And so we talked about it a
51:56
little, a little bit standing there in Galilee Chapel.
51:59
And he's a bit of an expert on this.
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So let's hear what he had to say about it.
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This is Diane Rasmussen from UK Column.
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I'm here in Durham Cathedral this afternoon with Tim Coulter
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of We the People NE as well as has been a recent contributor to
52:12
UK Column as well. And we've just visited the Magna
52:15
Carta and the North exhibition which ends on the 2nd of
52:18
November. What did you think of the
52:20
exhibition, Tim? Well, it was a great pleasure to
52:23
come to this exhibition and actually finally see three
52:27
different Magna Cartas, the 1216 Magna Carta, which was one year
52:32
after the original Magna Carta, the 12:25 and the 1300 Magna
52:37
Carta. But it was a real thrill for me
52:40
to actually come and see them because I've got here one of my
52:43
books. I got Magna Carta and to the
52:45
Constitution of America and the effect it's had on the common
52:50
law constitutions of the world, which have been so badly
52:54
affected during the COVID period, of course.
52:58
So what? What do you think is the
53:00
relevance of Magna Carta to today's world in 2025 and 2020
53:04
as well? Well, I think it's got a massive
53:07
relevance in all sorts of ways. Obviously this, the Magna Carta
53:12
is the basis of of many individual liberties which have
53:16
been so attacked at the moment. It's the basis of course is the
53:21
trial by jury and the the fact they're trying to do it diminish
53:27
or get rid of trial by jury is extremely significant in the
53:33
attempt for we could say new aristocracies to try and take
53:38
over on general living and do away with the liberties of the
53:43
individual. And it seems to be something
53:45
that we're seeing now with some of the things going on in the
53:47
current government in this country.
53:49
Well, absolutely. I mean King John when 1215 Magna
53:56
Carte he's he put his seal to that I believe or he signed it.
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And of course, we're seeing now he was an authoritarian and
54:06
we're seeing a similar attacks on us now through authoritarian
54:11
measures like the interaction of digital ID, taking away our
54:15
individual liberties which we fought for in the past and wish
54:21
to retain. I hope you can join me this
54:24
coming Saturday when I'll be speaking against Digital ID at
54:26
our rally up in Newcastle at the Monument.
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Thanks for joining me today Tim. It's been a great afternoon.
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I appreciate your time. Oh, well, thank you very much,
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Diane. Yes, it's excellent.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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So I would encourage everyone, if you can get up to Durham
54:43
before Sunday, this so which is the last day of the exhibition,
54:45
or to remind your local politicians and your national
54:49
politicians and monarchs that nobody is above the law in this
54:53
country. Indeed.
54:55
Thank you, Diane. Thank you.
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Nobody is above the law. We'll see what happens,
54:59
particularly with the former Duke of York and see whether
55:05
whether he turns out to be above the law and not too distant
55:08
future. But look on last week's last
55:12
Monday's program, Ben, Last time we were on, I think we showed a
55:15
little bit of video from Edge of the Matrix.
55:19
With. Respect to the trans activists.
55:21
Indeed we did. Yes, I think Sandy showed it and
55:24
it showed a chap called Steve who was at our event up in York
55:28
last weekend being attacked in Liverpool.
55:32
And it got quite a reaction, not least in the chat box actually.
55:38
And I wanted to just replay it and just put another spin on
55:42
what we saw actually, because this is a really important issue
55:47
in terms of what's going on in the country.
55:48
And it's just what's the clip again?
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Well, I hope you. Fucking Irish, the police.
55:53
It's been. Serious.
56:06
What the fuck is? That is assault.
56:09
You were making a muck. That is absolute.
56:11
Assault. Fucking.
56:12
Country you would make everything worse.
56:16
What? The fuck?
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Why are you? Doing this, my friend fucking
56:22
died last year. So the first thing to say is,
56:31
and that woman should absolutely not have attacked him like that,
56:34
right? And that was uncalled for,
56:37
dangerous. If he got that stuff in his
56:39
eyes, potentially could have caused him some serious problem.
56:42
What was that stuff? It was like chili sauce
56:45
basically. So, you know, she's, I don't
56:47
know if she's deliberately gone to find something that's going
56:49
to cause him a problem, but you know, that's that she shouldn't
56:52
be doing that, right. But also, and what what I saw
56:57
happened in the chat box last week was a lot of people come in
56:59
basically just start insulting her, her looks and made a lot of
57:06
assumptions about her based on what she did and what she was
57:10
saying and all that kind of thing.
57:11
But if you actually listen to what she said, she said that,
57:17
well, you're making a mockery. She used some expletives that I
57:20
won't repeat, and she said you're making everything worse.
57:22
And then at the end, she said, I had someone die last year.
57:27
And what you're looking at there is someone who's experienced
57:31
some quite significant trauma, who's obviously got someone
57:33
quite close to them who has died.
57:36
And I don't know if they took their own life.
57:38
I don't know anything about it. But it's clearly had an impact
57:42
on her. And it sounds like it's related
57:44
to this issue of transgenderism. And I think what people need to
57:48
be cognizant of is that there are a lot of people in this
57:51
country who are being physically, mentally,
57:55
psychologically, spiritually abused by the system, by
58:01
academia, by teachers, by people in healthcare, by people in the,
58:08
you know, like, like psychologists.
58:09
I mean, this, this, these ideas are absolutely everywhere,
58:12
right? And they're in a bad way.
58:16
And what they need from us is empathy and understanding.
58:22
And I just wanted to, to replay that to draw that out, right?
58:28
Because it's very easy to demonise and point fingers and
58:32
go on about how awful other people are.
58:34
But even just in that clip, from what we just heard, you can sit,
58:37
you can sense, you can tell because she communicates it.
58:40
There's something really quite traumatic has happened to her.
58:42
And there's a lot more going on around that than that moment
58:45
where she lost control and she and she carried out that attack
58:49
and that kind of interaction. We need to avoid that.
58:53
But the issue that we're talking about here is absolutely going
58:56
to be front and centre over the next year or two is this.
58:59
This issue gets dragged out into the public discourse on a on a
59:03
more regular basis. So stick with us on extra
59:06
because I've got a couple of comments on this as well.
59:09
So we're going to have a bit of discussion on it.
59:11
We're also going to be talking about Magna Carta and so on.
59:14
But Diane, let's just end them with a final thought.
59:20
Yeah, well, I thought that since Halloween is coming up this
59:23
week, it was worth scaring everybody a little bit or maybe
59:26
trying to prevent some fear. So the New Jersey Department of
59:29
Health has said that to scare COVID away, that getting the
59:32
COVID vaccine is your best protection against COVID.
59:36
Talk to your healthcare provider.
59:37
So I'm not sure who's more scared of COVID or of the
59:41
vaccine in 2025, Mike. But either way, obviously we
59:44
should continue to be scared for sure.
59:46
For sure, that's definitely the message that is being
59:49
encouraged. OK, well, look, let's leave it
59:51
there for for today. Thank you very much, Diane,
59:54
Sandy and Ben. Of course, we'll be back in a
59:56
couple of minutes for some extra, don't forget germ warfare
1:00:00
tonight. And we'll see you at, well, 1:00
1:00:05
tomorrow actually for another interview.
1:00:07
And we'll be back for the news 1:00 PM on Wednesday.
1:00:10
See you then. Bye bye.