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12-year-old girl found missing just after Honor Student Christmas Concert, leotards left on chair. Where is Jonelle? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Just a few days before
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  Speaker 1: Christmas nineteen eighty four, Janelle was dropped off at home
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  Speaker 1: after a choir concert. When her parents returned an hour later,
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  Speaker 1: Janelle was gone. Her shoes were left behind, the front
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  Speaker 1: door was opened, the TV was on. No good clues
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  Speaker 1: or solid leads have ever been found in the case.
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  Speaker 1: Both police and her family are convinced Janelle was kidnapped
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  Speaker 1: and murdered. Shoes left behind right after a choir concert.
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  Speaker 1: You're hearing our friend at News nine. That was Roger
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  Speaker 1: Wolf talking about the abduction of a beautiful twelve year
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  Speaker 1: old little girl, Janelle Matthews. I'm Eancy Grace. This is
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Take a listen to our friend at KMGH.
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  Speaker 1: This is Stuart Jacobi. Twelve year old Janelle Matthews disappeared
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  Speaker 1: from her Greeley home one month ago today. It's believed
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  Speaker 1: she's the victim of a kidnapping. She has not been
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  Speaker 1: seen or heard from since December twentieth. Authorities and the
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  Speaker 1: girl's parents still have many avenues open to them in
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  Speaker 1: their search, but the Matthews family feels their whitest avenue
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  Speaker 1: is prayer. A twenty four hour prayer vigil began at
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  Speaker 1: noon today at most Greely churches. The Matthews family, Jim, Gloria,
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  Speaker 1: and sixteen year old Jennifer, attend the Sunny View Church
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  Speaker 1: of the Nazarene. Throughout the ordeal, their faith has been
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  Speaker 1: strong and unwavering. One of the things we're learning through
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  Speaker 1: this is patients, obviously, and in realizing that we have
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  Speaker 1: to turn this over to God and it's God's timing
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  Speaker 1: that's going to bring her back. Jim Matthews says, it's
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  Speaker 1: fellow church members Christians who are helping him and his
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  Speaker 1: family work through this ordeal. Church members and students will
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  Speaker 1: conduct an area wide foot search for Janelle sometime next month. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 1: Jim Matthews says he and his family will keep hanging
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  Speaker 1: on to the hope that Janelle is alive and will
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  Speaker 1: one day be found. We'll keep hanging on, he says,
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  Speaker 1: and will not. Can you imagine the suffering this family
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  Speaker 1: has gone through. She goes to acquire concert that night
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  Speaker 1: and then seemingly disappears off the face of the earth.
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  Speaker 1: The only thing left behind the shoes she was wearing.
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  Speaker 1: A bizarre and heartbreaking clue left behind, joining me right
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  Speaker 1: now an all star panel. Ashley Wilcot, judge, trial lawyer.
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  Speaker 1: You can find her at Ashley Wilcott dot com. Renowned
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  Speaker 1: forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University
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  Speaker 1: and author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Doctor
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  Speaker 1: Karen Stark Psychologists you can find her at Karen Stark
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  Speaker 1: dot com. Joining us today from Manhattan, Stephen Lampley, detective,
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  Speaker 1: author of Inside the Mind of a Serial Killer, but
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  Speaker 1: straight Out to Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter Levi Page.
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  Speaker 1: Take me through the night of her Janelle May Matthews,
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  Speaker 1: a twelve year old little girl disappearance. Well the night
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  Speaker 1: that she vanished, she was participating in a choir program
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  Speaker 1: and she was singing Christmas carols with people her age
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  Speaker 1: at a nursing home and she had a friend that
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  Speaker 1: took her back home. Their family took her back home
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  Speaker 1: at approximately eight PM, and she was home alone because
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  Speaker 1: her mother was visiting family out of state and her
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  Speaker 1: dad was at a basketball game that her sister was playing,
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  Speaker 1: and they returned around nine thirty pm that night, came
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  Speaker 1: home and discovered Janelle missing. Now the dad, you're referring
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  Speaker 1: to Janelle's adopted dad. Jim, correct, you're saying he was
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  Speaker 1: in a basketball game that night with Janelle's sister. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so we know where he was. Where's the mom? She
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  Speaker 1: was out of state visiting relatives. Okay. Question who brought
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  Speaker 1: her home from the from the concert at the nursing home.
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  Speaker 1: We know that it was a family, a friend of hers.
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  Speaker 1: Their family dropped her off, and we know that she
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  Speaker 1: did arrive home because her father was a principal at
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  Speaker 1: an elementary school and a teacher had called that night
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  Speaker 1: and left a message for her father that Janelle was
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  Speaker 1: supposed to relay to him. She never got to relay
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  Speaker 1: that message. I'm sorry, what did you say about a message?
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  Speaker 1: Her father was a principal at an elementary school and
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  Speaker 1: one of the teachers that worked for him had called
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  Speaker 1: and was trying to reach him. He wasn't there, but
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  Speaker 1: she left a message for Janelle, and she never got
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  Speaker 1: to relay that message. But we do know that she
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  Speaker 1: was home because a teacher called and spoke to her
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  Speaker 1: on the phone. The name of the ride was Dane Ross,
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  Speaker 1: was a little friend of Janelle Matthews. It was her
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  Speaker 1: father and her Dan Ross that gave Janelle a ride home,
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  Speaker 1: and you're right, it's confirmed, Levi Page that she was
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  Speaker 1: at the house. Now, tell me about the search that
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  Speaker 1: ensued looking for twelve year old Janelle Levi. The entire
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  Speaker 1: community was searching for her, and police found footprints in
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  Speaker 1: the back of the home and the garage door was open.
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  Speaker 1: Those are the only clues that we have regarding this case.
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  Speaker 1: This little girl, Janelle Matthews was last seeing wearing a
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  Speaker 1: blue vest and a red shirt. She was wearing that
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  Speaker 1: when she performed at a Christmas concert with the Franklin
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  Speaker 1: Middle School Honor Choir. They're in Greeley, Colorado. We also
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  Speaker 1: know for sure that a friend after the concert, Janelle's
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  Speaker 1: friend and her dad dropped her off around eight pm
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  Speaker 1: at a snow covered wrench style home where she lived
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  Speaker 1: with her dad, Jim Mong Gloria's sister, Jennifer. Now her
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  Speaker 1: parents tell police they get home at ten pm that
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  Speaker 1: night to find the front door open and their twelve
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  Speaker 1: year old little girl, who's just the cutest thing ever gone,
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  Speaker 1: That is what they said. Her shoes were sitting by
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  Speaker 1: a chair, her leotards were thrown over the couch, but
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  Speaker 1: she was gone. No arrest has been made, and the
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  Speaker 1: community was in shock and stayed in shock four years.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. I just have I feel
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  Speaker 1: a lot of gratitude that missing children are not forgotten.
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  Speaker 1: Janelle Matthews is not forgotten. Ten years after she disappeared,
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  Speaker 1: police and volunteers scoured every corner of Weld County looking
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  Speaker 1: for her. Just a few days before Christmas nineteen eighty four,
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  Speaker 1: Janelle was dropped off at home after a choir concert.
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  Speaker 1: When her parents returned an hour later, Janelle was gone.
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  Speaker 1: Her shoes were left behind, the front door was opened,
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  Speaker 1: the TV was on. No good clues or solid leads
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  Speaker 1: have ever been found in the case. Both police and
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  Speaker 1: her family are convinced Janelle was kidnapped and murdered. Next Tuesday,
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  Speaker 1: the Matthews family will gather with friends in Greeley for
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  Speaker 1: a church service to remember Janelle and to say goodbye.
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  Speaker 1: But we've never said goodbye to her, and it's just
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  Speaker 1: kind of putting a closure on it because most likely
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  Speaker 1: she's she is dead, and you might, you know, a
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  Speaker 1: heart start torn in wanting to put a closure on it,
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  Speaker 1: and yet keeping a hope and somehow other this hope
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  Speaker 1: I think Tuesday Night will kind of be buried. You know,
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  Speaker 1: this thread of hope will will bury that hope. I
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  Speaker 1: think Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Friends dropped Janelle off
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  Speaker 1: at her Greeley home after a choir concert. When her
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  Speaker 1: father got to the house later that evening, she was gone.
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  Speaker 1: Her shoes and a shawl were the only clues left behind.
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  Speaker 1: Ten years later, the Matthews family held a funeral service
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  Speaker 1: for their missing daughter. Still no arrests, no clues, and
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  Speaker 1: no closure. We realize that we haven't got complete finality
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  Speaker 1: here because we don't have a body or proof of something,
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  Speaker 1: but we would still we still want to go through
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  Speaker 1: and commit Janelle to the Lord and just say goodbye
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  Speaker 1: to her. Thirty four years after Janelle Matthews saw her
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  Speaker 1: family for the final time, I can assure you that
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  Speaker 1: we are going to be working tirelessly to bring justice
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  Speaker 1: to Janelle, a break in the case, even if it
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  Speaker 1: isn't yet solved. And while this week's discovery of something,
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  Speaker 1: officers here and really have been working towards for more
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  Speaker 1: than thirty years, actually solving this case is far more difficult.
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  Speaker 1: There have been suspects over the years. Throughout the course
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  Speaker 1: of this investigation, but no one has ever been charged
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  Speaker 1: in this crime. Our friend at NBC nine, that was
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  Speaker 1: Mark Salinger. A little girl sings at an honor concerted
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  Speaker 1: a local nursing home concert put together by her school,
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  Speaker 1: is brought home by a classmate and her dad. They leave,
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  Speaker 1: don't get the idea that the dad lingered in the
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  Speaker 1: home by all accounts, But when her own adopted parents
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  Speaker 1: get home two hours later, they find her shoes, the
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  Speaker 1: leotard she wore for her outfit, but no Janelle. Take
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  Speaker 1: a listen to this as the years ticked by. This
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  Speaker 1: is a case the Greeley Police Department has been working
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  Speaker 1: to solve for more than thirty years. Janelle Matthews was
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  Speaker 1: twelve years old when she went missing. Today she'd be
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  Speaker 1: in her mid forties. Officers say they've never stopped looking
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  Speaker 1: for her. This case is way too heavy on the
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  Speaker 1: heart of the Greeley Police Department and the family and
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  Speaker 1: the entire city of Greeley Since that December night she
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  Speaker 1: went missing in nineteen eighty four, people search throughout Weld
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  Speaker 1: County in the entire country for the twelve year old.
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  Speaker 1: President Ronald Reagan even mentioned her in one of his
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  Speaker 1: national addresses. I feel a lot of gratitude that missing
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  Speaker 1: children are not forgotten. Gloria Matthews and her husband Jim
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  Speaker 1: were the first to notice their daughter was missing. You know,
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  Speaker 1: when you look at scenarios like this to actually walcott,
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  Speaker 1: the first thing you do, and sad but true, you
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  Speaker 1: look at the parents because so often, unfortunately in the
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  Speaker 1: world I live, in the work I do, parents are
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  Speaker 1: responsible because there's no other good sense, common sense explanation.
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  Speaker 1: A kid just disappears. What are you kidding me? So
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  Speaker 1: you look at the closest people first, which are the parents,
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  Speaker 1: and then you go outward from there to look at
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  Speaker 1: the other relatives and people that knew the child. But
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  Speaker 1: you always, unfortunately, have to start with the parent. You
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  Speaker 1: have to Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert, Professor of forensics
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  Speaker 1: and author, Why why do we always start with the parents?
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  Speaker 1: Because they're the biggest stakeholders, Nancy, They're the ones that
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  Speaker 1: have an intimate relationship and obviously they're the ones that
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  Speaker 1: are going to have access to the victim, and that
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  Speaker 1: is paramount when we conduct this investigation. We're going to
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  Speaker 1: look at all of the intimates within the victim's circle
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  Speaker 1: to Stephen Lampley, detective author of Inside the Mind of
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  Speaker 1: a Serial Killer. You can find that on Amazon. Steve,
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  Speaker 1: in a case like this, you've got a two hour window.
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  Speaker 1: She's dropped off by the little friend and her dad
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  Speaker 1: at eight. The parents come home at ten. The mom
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  Speaker 1: is out of state. The dad is with his other daughter,
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  Speaker 1: Janelle's sister, at a basketball game. They find her shoes
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  Speaker 1: and the leotard she was wearing, laying over a sofa.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean, to me, that sounds absolutely normal, because
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  Speaker 1: I can't remember, you know, my twins don't get past.
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  Speaker 1: They come into the back door. They get as far
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  Speaker 1: as the den's that's ten steps, and there go all
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  Speaker 1: their shoes, their clothes there everything I could see that.
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  Speaker 1: I could see her coming in, taking off her shoes
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  Speaker 1: and those tight leotard's girls have to wear and throw
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  Speaker 1: them on the chair. But that's all there is of her.
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  Speaker 1: The only clue, Steve, what do you do in a
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  Speaker 1: case like that? Well, answer this is a tough one,
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  Speaker 1: you know, since she did. She came in, and she
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  Speaker 1: put her clothes in, and she even had she even
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  Speaker 1: brought a space heater, her dad said, brought a space
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  Speaker 1: heat road where she would normally sit till she would
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  Speaker 1: stay warm. There's not a lot to go on. I
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  Speaker 1: don't I don't know what I do know. There were
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  Speaker 1: footprints outside the windows, as if somebody was looking in.
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  Speaker 1: There were supposed to footprints either in I couldn't make
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  Speaker 1: sense out of this, either in the garage or outside
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  Speaker 1: the garage in the snow. The others were by the
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  Speaker 1: by the windows. Uh. There's a supposition there was some
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  Speaker 1: pop that I read somewhere on this case that she
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  Speaker 1: passed knew the person had had prior interaction with the person.
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  Speaker 1: Given the fact that there was no obvious struggle. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if if indeed there was somebody that she knew.
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  Speaker 1: But this is the complint answer. But you start off,
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  Speaker 1: like we talked about, you start off always with the
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  Speaker 1: inner circle. You start off in this case with the
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  Speaker 1: parents because there was no boyfriend or husband, and you
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  Speaker 1: go out from there and then that's all you can do.
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  Speaker 1: What about it too? Justice Scott Morgan, forensics expert. What
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  Speaker 1: do you do with those facts that Steve Lampley, detective
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  Speaker 1: laid out. You pursue every inch that you possibly can
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  Speaker 1: and listen, you have to hold onto this information Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: We're multiple decades past this event, so what they did
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  Speaker 1: back then is very very important relative to keeping her
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  Speaker 1: narrative alive. So you have to follow each one of
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  Speaker 1: these leads. Relative to those footprints that that Stephen was
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  Speaker 1: referring to, you have to document those very carefully and
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  Speaker 1: see if they're actually matchable to a set of say
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  Speaker 1: a footprints that they might have on record. And it's
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  Speaker 1: not going to be to a specific person, but say,
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  Speaker 1: for instance, to a type of shoe. One thing that's
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  Speaker 1: very important here though, to keep in mind is that
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  Speaker 1: whatever happened, I believe happened quickly because her shoes were
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  Speaker 1: left inside. You have already stated that it was cold outside.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about Colorado and Nancy. This is December. You
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  Speaker 1: know that it was freezing, So this was a very
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  Speaker 1: quick event. Take listen to our friends at CBS four.
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  Speaker 1: This is Tory Mason. I spoke to Janelle's mother this morning,
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  Speaker 1: and she says her family is numb. After thirty four years,
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  Speaker 1: their daughter has been found and now it's time to
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  Speaker 1: find the person responsible. This case is way too heavy
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  Speaker 1: on the hearts of the Greeley Police Department and the
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  Speaker 1: family and the entire city of Greeley. Oil Field workers
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  Speaker 1: found human remains in Weld County Tuesday night, about twenty
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  Speaker 1: four miles from the Matthews home in Greeley. Evidence at
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  Speaker 1: the scene helped investigators determine the remains belong to twelve
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  Speaker 1: year old Janelle Matthews. According to GPD, there was red
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  Speaker 1: and blue clothing similar to what Janelle was wearing the
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  Speaker 1: night she went missing. Janelle disappeared on December twentieth, nineteen
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  Speaker 1: eighty four, after performing a concert with the Franklin Middle
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  Speaker 1: School Honor Choir. She was last seen entering her home
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  Speaker 1: after being dropped off by a friend and her friend's father. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the investigation remains active and Grilly Police says they're chasing
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  Speaker 1: tips on a suspect. Anyone with information is asked to
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  Speaker 1: contact their tipline. I don't understand how cops were led
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  Speaker 1: to this location. To Levi Page Crimeline dot com investigative
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  Speaker 1: reporter tell me about the discovery of these bones. So
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  Speaker 1: oil workers were digging a pipeline in Well County, which
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  Speaker 1: is about twenty two miles south of Greeley, Colorado, where
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  Speaker 1: this twelve year old vanished. What are the chances Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: they're digging this pipeline and they come across her body,
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  Speaker 1: thirty four years after she vanished. It's a miracle. Her
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  Speaker 1: parents seemed to have given up hope that she would
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  Speaker 1: ever be found, and then it happens. And there's so
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  Speaker 1: many cold cases out there. And even though this may
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  Speaker 1: not be what we all wanted, at least they now
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  Speaker 1: gave her a proper memorial. They knew that she's dead,
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  Speaker 1: They know that she's dead now. And Nancy, you know
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  Speaker 1: what is so tragic about this. Her biological mother gave
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  Speaker 1: her for adoption when she was thirteen years old, and
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  Speaker 1: police actually investigated her. They had her under surveillance for
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  Speaker 1: six weeks. She lives in Los Angeles and the FBI
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  Speaker 1: was looking at her, but they couldn't tell her based
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  Speaker 1: on the law because it was a closed adoption. And
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  Speaker 1: then decades later, in nineteen ninety seven, she goes searching
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  Speaker 1: for her biological daughter and then discovers that her daughter
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  Speaker 1: is missing presumed death. Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here a
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  Speaker 1: beautiful mom of two. In fact, I call her a
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  Speaker 1: Reese Witherspoon look alike because in a lot of pictures,
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  Speaker 1: that's exactly who she looks like the mother of two
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  Speaker 1: beautiful little children, including an eight year old little girl,
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  Speaker 1: is found dead in a bloody bathtub a slip and fall,
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  Speaker 1: and her eight year old daughter Anna is the one
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  Speaker 1: that found her. This Saturday, six o'clock Eastern, five Central
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  Speaker 1: on Oxygen Injuice with Nancy Grace, we investigate the death
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  Speaker 1: of Shelley Danishevsky because I do not believe this was
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  Speaker 1: a slip and a fall, and from what I can see,
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  Speaker 1: there has been a grave injustice on many levels. Please
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  Speaker 1: join us in a search for the truth. This Saturday,
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  Speaker 1: six pm, Eastern, five Central Injustice with Nancy Grace. Thanks guys.
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  Speaker 1: Climb Stories with Nancy Grace. So this is the area
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  Speaker 1: where Joanelle's body was found by the oil field crew.
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  Speaker 1: It's about thirty minutes away from her home, and you
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  Speaker 1: can imagine what this area looked like thirty four years ago.
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  Speaker 1: It was more or less just an empty field at
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  Speaker 1: the time. Out here along County Road thirty four and
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  Speaker 1: a half, it's busy oil field crews heading in and
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  Speaker 1: out of an area that will soon be home to
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  Speaker 1: Weld County's newest pipeline. Along with all the construction traffic
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  Speaker 1: a single police car after the remains of Joanelle Matthews
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  Speaker 1: were discovered here on a Tuesday. We would also like
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  Speaker 1: to offer our deepest condolences to the Matthews family. I
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  Speaker 1: can assure you that we are going to be working
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  Speaker 1: tirelessly to bring justice to Janelle. For more than three decades,
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  Speaker 1: her family has been searching for answers because there was
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  Speaker 1: never a body found or anything. You just don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Her sister, Jennifer, now lives in Washington. It was always
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  Speaker 1: like a cold case. And sometimes I go to Walmart
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  Speaker 1: and I would see the age progression photos and that
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  Speaker 1: would kind of like startle you a little bit. You're
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  Speaker 1: hearing our friends at Dinver seven. That was making Lopez
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  Speaker 1: take a listen to NBC nine Mark Salinger. The journey
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  Speaker 1: back to Colorado was easy. Travel was very uneventful, easy
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  Speaker 1: compared to the journey they've been on for thirty four years.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, it was a real shock when we first
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  Speaker 1: heard it. Gloria and Jim Matthews got the call last week,
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  Speaker 1: a detective in Greeley had some long awaited news. We
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  Speaker 1: both were just really surprise and shocked, totally totally caught
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  Speaker 1: off guard. Yeah, it was just as we were. We
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  Speaker 1: have been consigned to the fact that we probably never
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  Speaker 1: would know what happened to her, and this is just
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  Speaker 1: an absolute miracle about how she was found. Janelle's case
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  Speaker 1: stumped investigators and captivated the country. Five days before Christmas,
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  Speaker 1: Joanelle disappeared from her home. It was an excavation crew
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  Speaker 1: that would find her remains at an oil and gas
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  Speaker 1: site in Weld County thirty four years later. So we
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  Speaker 1: really believe that God has provided a miracle for this
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: to happen. While Greeley police work to figure out who
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: is responsible for Janelle's death, her parents say they just
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: wanted to find her whereat peace. Everything changed in the
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: late afternoon when oil field workers who were digging a
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: pipeline about a quarter of a mile northwest of a
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Weld County Road forty nine, unearthed a small hole containing
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: a child's skull, bones and a severed jaw fit with braces.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: This is what we were learning, according to the Greeley Tribune,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: I got a question for you, just got Morgan, my
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: professor forensics at Jacksonville State. After nearly thirty five years,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: could clothing found with the bones and braces reveal forensic
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: evidence that could lead to the killer. Well, relative to
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: the braces, the braces are a specific identifier, nancy, and
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: that work that was done orthodonically, it is going to
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: be traced back to the individual that did the work. However,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: as far as the braces are concerned, No, I don't
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: think that there would be an innication there. However, with clothing,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: for instance, particularly synthetic blends that are in there, You're
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: not going to find like a lot of natural stuff
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: like cottons and that sort of thing, but synthetic blends.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: If they have clothing, the state of the clothing was
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: it torn, was it ripped, was it deposited? Say, for instance,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: as you know, we have a lot of these cases
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: where we'll have skeletal remains that are found. We might
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: find clothing that's in an adjacent area, as if the
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: person was stripped nude and then the clothing set aside.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: That might give us more of the nature of the case.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: But as far as a specific identifier, I think that
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: that would be very very difficult. Well, what about DNA
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: from the perp on either her braces, which lead you
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: to a lot of horrible images about what may have
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: happened to her or on her clothing. Couldn't there be
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: DNA on particularly her clothing, if not her braces, but
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: even on her braces. Yeah, you know, I think that
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: it would be ideally. Yeah, I think that that would
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: be great to have. But the problem is, Nancy, We're
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: very familiar with this area where her body was found.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: It's it's a very arid areas, it's hostile. She's been buried,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming in bare dirt. Remember they were talking about
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: how there was a hole that was dug and she
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: was placed in there. I think that from a biological standpoint,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: anything that was there as far as DNA, because of
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: the environmental exposure, I think that it would be very,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: very difficult to recover anything. But I just keep thinking
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: if her clothing. I guess I'm grasping at straws because
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: I'm want this solved. I just can't help but think
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: that there could be DNA on her clothing. I mean,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: apparently her clothing was still on her body. I don't
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: know that fact. I don't know that it wasn't separate,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: but apparently the clothing was on her body. Yeah, and
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: that's a significant finding from an investigative standpoint, If she
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: was not stripped of her clothing, and we have essentially
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: a set of human bones that are found contained within clothing,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: that tells us a bit more about the nature of
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: the crime if she was not undressed. So I think
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: that this is going to be more reliant this case.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: In solving this case, it's going to be more reliant
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: upon the nature in which her body was found as
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: more so than say, at a molecular level, trying to
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: tie this back to somebody specifically. Well, also then you
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: have super freaks. He would redress victims, which is always
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: a possibility. But if he did do that, he could
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: have left DNA. But another issue which I find to
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: be very probitive, or it proved something to me, the
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: clothing that she was wearing were tattered. The clothing was tattered,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: but it was the blue and red clothes she was
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: wearing at the time she disappeared. That tells me she
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: hadn't gone back to the back and taken a bath
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: and put on her pj's. As Steve Lampley said earlier,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: this happened very very quickly. But what more do we
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: know right now? No comment on how authorities were able
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: to identify the remains. But I guarantee you if the
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: parents saw the blue and red outfit, they would know immediately.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: And as Joe Scott was saying, you don't necessarily need
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: DNA if you have the teeth. If you have the
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: teeth and the braces that were individual to her, that's
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: how you identify her. You don't have to wait on DNA.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: What about it, Joe Scott, Yeah, you're absolutely right, because
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: particularly with braces, Nancy, you know, she's only twelve, so
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: she's not going to have like us as adults. She's
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: not going to have like a lot of restorations in
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: her mouth relative to things like fillings and caps and
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: crowns and all those sorts of things. But those braces
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: are very specific. That gives us an indicator that the Orthodonis,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: the Orthodonis felt is though, that all of her adult
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: teeth had erupted at that point in time, because now
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: they're trying to specifically straighten those and so that is
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: a major identifier for her. But you know, from a
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: forensic standpoint, trying to solve this case, we're going to
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: have to rely on who, and this is very important,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: who had access and knowledge of not just her home,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: but to this specific area. This is a very very
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: specific area in amongst all of these oil fields. I
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: hate to bring his name up, but keep in mind,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: this is where Chris Watt's deposit of those bodies. That
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: gives you an idea how vast this area is. So
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: tell me again what you're saying about the specific nature
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: of where her body was found. Yeah, you know, keep
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: in mind she was found. Janelle was found along this
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: kind of pipeline area that was out there that Levi
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: had had described. It is a very vast area. Chris
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Watts worked in an area very similar to this in
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Welled County, the same county, believe it or not, all
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: of these years later, and it's I find it. It's
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: rife with irony that this little girl's body would be
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: deposited out there. But you know, Chris Watts had specific
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: knowledge of that area because he worked in that area.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: I think for me, you would want to look at
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: individuals that were working on this construction site that had
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: knowledge of this area. They knew that it was secluded
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: that no one else they thought at least would ever
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: come back to it, and of course in this case
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: they did. To Levi page climb online dot Com investigative
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: reporter LEVI go through the area for me again because
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: I find what Joe Scott Morgan is saying. It's very
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: very significant. I mean I always use Scott Peterson because
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: it's a good example. He's a fisherman. Where does he
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: hide Lacy and Connor's body out where he goes fishing
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: in San Francisco. Hey, that's just an example of people
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: go to a place where they are familiar, a place
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: where they have been before, just like Chris Watts how
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: he buried his wife Shanane and Celeste and Bella Eddie
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Anadarko oil fields where he worked. Tell me about where
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Janelle's body was found. It was in Weld County, Colorado,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: and it was twenty two miles south of where she
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: went missing in Greeley, Colorado. So this was not in
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: the same town. It was twenty two miles away. So
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: if there's any suspects that police had over the years,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: I would wonder if they are going back and looking
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: to see if they have any ties to Weld County, Colorado.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: And you know what's odd about this case, Nancy As
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: police have investigated several people remembering the John Benet Ramsey case.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: John Mark Carr gave a false confession because he was
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: a nutcase that was obsessed with John Benet. There are
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: this was a very high profile case. President Reagan even
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: mentioned it, and there were people similar in this case
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: that were obsessed with the case, that collected newspaper clippings
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: and we're giving false confessions and police had to investigate them.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: So police have investigated a lot of people over the years,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: and I hope they go back to see if anybody
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: has ties to this remote rural area in Weld County, Colorado,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: twenty two miles south of where she lived. Clime Stories
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Of course, it was a real shock
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: when we first heard it. Gloria and Jim Matthews got
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: the call last week a detective in Greeley had some
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: long awaited news. We both were just really surprise and shock,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: totally caught off guard. Yeah, it was just a were
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: we have been consigned to the fact that we probably
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: never would know what happened to her, and this is
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: just an absolute miracle about how she was found. Janelle's
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: case stumped investigators and captivated the country. Five days before Christmas,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Janelle disappeared from her home. It was an excavation crew
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: that would find her remains at an oil and gas
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: site in Weld County thirty four years later. So we
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: really believe that God has provided a miracle for this
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: to happen. While Greeley police worked to figure out who
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: is responsible for Janelle's death, her parents say they just
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: wanted to find her. Whereat peace. You are hearing Janelle's
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: parents speaking to Denver nine News straight out to judge
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: and trial lawyer Ashley Wilcott at Ashley Wilcot dot com.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: I have so many questions, as so many thoughts colliding
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: in my head right now, way Anne, Ashley Wilcot. Yeah, So,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: first of all, you know, my heart goes out to
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: this family because I dont want to throw up. I've
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: got an eleven year old. I can't even imagine your
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: twelve year old. But a couple of things. It is
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: a miracle they found the body. Now that they found
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: the body, note though, they can tell from testing on
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: the body at the age at which she died, So
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: now we're gonna know that she most likely died at
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: the age of twelve, not that she was kept captive
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: somewhere and then killed years later. Second of all, there
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: was mention of I believe unless I misunderstood a broken
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: jaw bone perhaps, and if that's the case, that's going
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: to give more information about what happened to her, perhaps
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: how she was killed. Now, the last piece I have
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: to say is, now this goes from the cold case
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: with one crime scene. The only crime scene they had
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: was the house from which she disappeared, leaving everything behind.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Now they have an entire another crime scene where the
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: body was found, and now they can investigate from their outwards.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: So started that crime scene and see did anyone see anything?
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Who was in the area. So it gives them a
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: whole bunch of new opportunity to find evidence to solve
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: this cold case. Wow, well put Ashley will caught to
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Steve Lampley, detective, author of Inside the Mind of a
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Serial Killer, what do you make of Ashley's correct observation
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: that we now have a secondary crime scene, What, if
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: anything can we learn from it? Well, thank you. There's
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: any number of things going back to the DNA. It
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: is possible that there is I don't know to which
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: about the DNA still on the teeth or even necessarily
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: on the clothing, But my guests and Joseph Scott would
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: know more than I that there made the greatest chances
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: for DNA might be fiber or left by the suspect
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: on her clothing, or maybe from the car that she
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: will contruct or however she was transported. I'd be looking
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: at that or hello, sperm. Do you think the perp
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: just kidnapped her to go for an evening drive? No,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: he kidnapped her for a reason. I'm thinking this through
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: and I'm deducing a lot. Did Joseph Scott, Morgan forensics expert,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: was killed the night that she was abducted. She still
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: had on the same clothing. Okay, there was a space
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: of two hours, two hours according to the timeline that
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: we have. Who if anyone saw her? Okay, we know
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: that the purp realized she was home alone. Who would
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: know that? Who would know how to go to the
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: back window and leave footprints in the snow? Who would
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: know she was there? Her mom was out of town,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: her dad was at a basketball game. Because if you
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: thought somebody else was home, highly unlikely you would break
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: into the home and still a little girl. There was
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: no sign of a struggle. It all tells me very
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: clearly that she knew the purp. This was not some
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: purv that saw her singing at the rest time. We went, wow,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: I'm going to follow her home. For all the purvnew
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: would have known that was her dad taken her. Okay,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: so that didn't happen. This is somebody that knew her
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: and knew she was home alone. Joe Scott helped me out, Hey, look,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: this is not dumb luck that this happened, Nancy. Someone
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: I think probably targeted this, and it's somebody that has
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: a specific inclination towards children this age. That's why I
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: think that right now, in today's present context, this monster
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: might still be alive. I think that it's very important
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: that they go back and they check the registered sex
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: offenders that originated in this area that have a history
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: of this. Hopefully that they're doing this moving forward. Somebody
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: that had intimate knowledge of the family, Nancy, I mean,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: who else is you know, Look, the dad's not there,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: the mom's not there, Okay, we know that there's a concert,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: we know that the girl's there a home alone. You've
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: got somebody that felt comfortable enough to walk around the
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: perimeter of this house peeking in the windows, potentially leaving
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: shoeprints behind and touching all manner of things. That's all
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: gone at this point. I hope they documented it really well.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: But what kind of tieback do we have to some
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: kind of sycophant that's out there that are not sycophant,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: but some kind of sicko that's out there that's actually
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: targeting small children of this age. I think that that's
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: very critical in this case. Isn't it true that DNA,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: although it may be dried up, you can get DNA
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: years later Joe Scott, Yeah, you can, Nancy, if it
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: is in a protected environment. And that's the big hook here.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: One of the things I was always amazed with Golden State,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: for instance, is that they were able to preserve that
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: evidence so well. And I think the evidence that he
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: had left behind all those years ago, they were able
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: to protect that, And I say they the police with
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: the evidence room, and you and I have been in
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: some nasty evidence rooms, that they were able to maintain
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: that in a pristine condition. How well were they able
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: to collect any kind of physical evidence that was found
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: at the scene. So I haven't heard anything about blood deposits,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: about any indication that there's some kind of other biological
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: evidence left behind that they had noted to preserve. So
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: that's going to be key. We ask you this, well,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: I've got you, Joe Scott. What is the location in
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: the manner in which she was buried. We don't know
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: how she was killed, whether she was asphyxiated that strangler
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: or smothered, whether she was shot, whether she was stabbed.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: What can you say about the severed jaw? Did that
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: happen just naturally? But more important the location in the
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: manner in which she was buried. What does that tell
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: us about the killer's mo Well, let's talk about the
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: jaw first off, since you mentioned it. If people will
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: just touch their chin, there's actually what's herfer too as
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: a suiture line in that area. That's where the bones
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: fused together. It's not surprising that the jaw would kind
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: of break in half after thirty four years, and it's
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: not really a breaking as much as it is and
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: I'm this is an assumption on my part that it
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: has just naturally kind of fallen apart. Now, if there's
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: a specific break there which they can tell after all
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: these years, that means that it was fractured by say,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: blunt force trauma. That means that we're dealing with probably
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: a brutal, brutal killer. This is going to be a
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: male that did this. And let's think about what would
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: it take. What kind of person would take a twelve
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: year old girl and beat her to the point where
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: you're going to break her jaw. If that is the case,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: that gives us an indication as to the individual. Now,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: as far as burial, you know, with back again to
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: the monster that Chris Watts is, the burial that he
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: had for his wife was very shallow. We do know
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: from the investigators that that soil out there is very
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: very hard. I'm assuming the soil there where Janelle was
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: found it is very very hard. They're talking about you.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: They're using the term she was buried down in a hole.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: That means that the individual had time with her body
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: to take an implement and dig down into the soil
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: and remove the dirt, place her into the hole so
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: that she would never be found up until this point,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: and then cover her up. He had time with this
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: body out there. He was comfortable with this area. He
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: knew the area and the m and where and how
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: she was buried. That tells you that the killer was comfortable,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: not afraid of getting caught, had plenty of time to
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: do it, and of course was a male digging down
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: into that hard soil to cover her up thinking she
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: would never be found. Back to Levi page Crime online
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter, Janelle's adopted dad, Jim, was considered
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: a suspect at the time. Was he cleared and will
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: he find himself back under scrutiny again? Levi, He was
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: considered a suspect. However, the police are not saying if
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: he is still to this day considered a suspect. They're
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: not giving any details one if they even have any suspects.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: I do know that there was a truck driver that
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: lived in the area that was going around bragging that
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: he did this. The police wrote him off and said
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: that he was someone that was just seeking attention. But
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: I'm wondering if a truck driver fits the profile of
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: someone that would be familiar with this area since they're
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: driving around a lot. What about it too, Karen starts
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: psychologists joining us out of Manhattan. I guess the dads
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: some mom was out of state, has to just settle
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: in for the fact that he's going to be right
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: over the coals again, right or wrong. I think that
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: that might happen, depending upon what they financy. But what
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: everyone is saying, if you pay attention, is that it's somebody.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: They believe it's somebody who's familiar with that area. And
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: I think that that's a really good point. You have
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: to find somebody who has a history of preying upon
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: young girls the sexual offender, I really think that will
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: make a difference, and who is familiar with that area,
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  Speaker 1: and the dad seems to have an alibi, so I'm
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  Speaker 1: not sure that they would focus on you. To you,
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  Speaker 1: Jo Scott, what are the odds investigators will track down
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  Speaker 1: to well, I think that I think that the odds
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  Speaker 1: are going to rest upon how deep they dig into
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  Speaker 1: sexual offenders. You know, I gotta tell you, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if my colleague care and will agree with me
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  Speaker 1: on this, but this is what I think. If this
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  Speaker 1: individual has a proclivity for offending with little girls this
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  Speaker 1: age and is a violent offender, this will not be
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  Speaker 1: the only time he has done this. He has a
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  Speaker 1: desire within him to do harm to little children this age.
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  Speaker 1: I think that if you look at other cases with
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  Speaker 1: people that are familiar with this specific area. I think
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  Speaker 1: that that's going to be key in back to what
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  Speaker 1: Levi I was saying, he is this truck driver that
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  Speaker 1: he had mentioned, I'd revisit that because truck drivers would
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  Speaker 1: in fact have interest in or have knowledge of this area.
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  Speaker 1: Keep in mind, this area was under construction when all
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  Speaker 1: of this was taking place. You had people that were
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  Speaker 1: bringing supplies out there, you had people that were bringing
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  Speaker 1: heavy equipment out there. They're going to have specific knowledge
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  Speaker 1: of it. And Man, I tell you what, I think
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  Speaker 1: that I would look really really hard at him and
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  Speaker 1: anybody in this particular community that is a sex offender. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: a sex offender that just happens to know she's alone
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  Speaker 1: for those two hours. That feels like they have all
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  Speaker 1: the time in the world. We don't know any real
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  Speaker 1: timeline about when she was abducted. Our thoughts and prayers
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  Speaker 1: with those that love Janelle Matthews as we wait for
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  Speaker 1: Justice two Unfold tipline nine seven zero three five fifty
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  Speaker 1: one hundred repeat nine seven zero three five one fifty
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  Speaker 1: one hundred Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off Goodbye Friend,