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Jonathan Frakes: Directing and Discovery · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 3: I'm Misty.
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  Speaker 6: I think I'm Jay again.
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  Speaker 7: Am I?
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  Speaker 3: Are you not sure?
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  Speaker 2: I guess I am.
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  Speaker 1: Toy Convention in the stairwell. Hiding, once again. We're sent
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  Speaker 1: to scurry off with the rest of the vermin and
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  Speaker 1: hide in the dark down here in the stairwell.
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  Speaker 6: And apparently I'm stupid. I just have, like, they just jiggle.
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  Speaker 6: They just kind of jiggle.
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  Speaker 1: They just jiggle.
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  Speaker 6: That's locked.
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  Speaker 2: That's stupid.
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  Speaker 3: Why do you have a mic?
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  Speaker 6: We're recording.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 5: That's okay.
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't calling you stupid.
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  Speaker 6: I was calling them.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 6: They've got that locked off. Okay, just like FYI.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, ma'am.
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  Speaker 5: That's okay.
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  Speaker 6: I get called stupid all the time.
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't calling you stupid.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 5: I'm just.
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  Speaker 1: Kidding. Back to the jiggling.
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  Speaker 2: What was that from?
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  Speaker 1: Shut up, stupid.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 8: What was that?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 6: I didn't mean yours.
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  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 3: Did we talk about any of the goings on of
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  Speaker 3: the convention or are we just kind of just like
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  Speaker 3: not doing that? We're just talking about the Jim Morris event.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have any other goings on?
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  Speaker 3: Pauly Shore has not aged well. I would have not
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  Speaker 3: known it was Pauly Shore had not somebody else pointed
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  Speaker 3: out to me, which maybe I just have this. Pauly
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  Speaker 3: Shore is forever locked in my head as the same
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  Speaker 3: Pauly Shore from like 1994. He's never like changed. He
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  Speaker 3: still has the calling.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think he's grown much, but I guess physically
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  Speaker 1: he's changed a little.
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  Speaker 3: But, yeah, I mean, this place, they had a lot
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  Speaker 3: of big name celebrities, like a huge list. There's more
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  Speaker 3: people here than I, in all the years we've been coming,
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  Speaker 3: which is good for them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Good for the celebrities.
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  Speaker 1: It's a huge lineup this year.
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  Speaker 6: Hopefully they can take away something from this and learn
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  Speaker 6: and be able to better organize.
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  Speaker 2: I could only hope.
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  Speaker 3: It's a learning process.
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  Speaker 2: It is.
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  Speaker 6: I have never seen this many people.
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  Speaker 3: They probably didn't expect the turnout they were going to get.
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  Speaker 1: It's a lot of people here this year.
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  Speaker 3: All the years we've been coming, it's good for them.
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  Speaker 3: You have to learn.
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  Speaker 2: It was overwhelming.
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  Speaker 3: It was very overwhelming. Like I said, for the amount
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  Speaker 3: of people they had here, it still went a lot
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  Speaker 3: better than it Could have, and better than some conventions
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  Speaker 3: that we have.
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  Speaker 1: Been to in the past. We've been to a lot
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  Speaker 1: of conventions over the years. We've seen a lot of them,
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  Speaker 1: and not in specific. I said this earlier. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like I need to start working as an efficiency expert
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  Speaker 1: for conventions because I walk into most of them now,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like, you really should set this up like this,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't know why this table is here. I
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  Speaker 1: just have seen things go so wrong so many times
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  Speaker 1: in so many different cities over the years, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: just like, now– when I see people that run into
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  Speaker 1: problems and kind of hold it together and, and we're
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  Speaker 1: planning ahead and have a different layout set up or
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  Speaker 1: have something in mind to take care of these issues,
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  Speaker 1: like that's more impressive to me is when you have
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  Speaker 1: something thrown at you, like a ton more people show
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  Speaker 1: up than you were expecting and you can deal with
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  Speaker 1: it and you find a way to make everything work.
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  Speaker 1: That to me is more impressive.
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  Speaker 3: Without things falling apart too. Yeah. Things still.
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  Speaker 1: Everything ran pretty smoothly. You know, it's like even fighting
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  Speaker 1: with the issues of tons of people that they did.
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  Speaker 1: It was still kind of like, as soon as they
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  Speaker 1: got a handle on it, they're like, okay, and here's
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  Speaker 1: what we do. So it's like, that's how you run
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  Speaker 1: a convention.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they adapted to the, okay, we have a problem
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  Speaker 3: right here. We need to fix this problem. How do
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  Speaker 3: we go about that? Okay.
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  Speaker 1: That's how you run an efficient convention, and that's what
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  Speaker 1: more of them need to have. So, have you seen
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  Speaker 1: any movies?
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  Speaker 3: I will talk about some movies. One of them will
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  Speaker 3: tie in somewhat to one of the stars of the
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  Speaker 3: convention that we are currently at. We watched, one boyfriend
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  Speaker 3: wanted to watch, watched it the night before the convention.
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  Speaker 3: You wanted to watch it, you discussed this movie.
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  Speaker 6: The movie is The Octagon.
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  Speaker 3: Which you would not know by actually watching the movie.
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  Speaker 6: Because they don't tell you anything about an octagon.
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  Speaker 3: There's no mention.
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  Speaker 6: Or there's no mention of an octagon. But this is
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  Speaker 6: the first movie, this is the first Chuck Norris movie
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  Speaker 6: that I saw. My friend had HBO. and we were
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  Speaker 6: on vacation.
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  Speaker 3: You know what HBO stands for?
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  Speaker 6: Hey, Beastmaster's on.
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  Speaker 3: Yes!
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  Speaker 6: Back then, it didn't stand for that, because I don't
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  Speaker 6: think Beastmaster was on at the time.
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  Speaker 3: What year was this?
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  Speaker 6: Oh, jeez.
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  Speaker 3: Pre-Beastmaster? Is there a time before Beastmaster?
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so.
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  Speaker 6: It would have been early, early 80s.
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  Speaker 1: Beastmaster was in medieval times. It's been around for years
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  Speaker 1: and years, back when the Earth was roamed by black
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  Speaker 1: tigers and whatnot.
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  Speaker 3: You know?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I want to say.
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  Speaker 1: It's around the same time, because Beastmaster's like 82, right?
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  Speaker 1: So it's probably right after that.
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  Speaker 6: I wanted to say 1980.
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  Speaker 1: Could be. He started late 70s, so he definitely had
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  Speaker 1: his own leads by the 80s. You know, I can't.
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  Speaker 6: Remember how old I was, because Poltergeist was another movie
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  Speaker 6: that was on.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's 82.
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  Speaker 6: 81, 82, something like that. And I don't remember if
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  Speaker 6: I saw that the same year we were down there
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  Speaker 6: or if that was the next vacation because we spent
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  Speaker 6: a lot of summers together. But yeah, that was the
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  Speaker 6: first Chuck Norris movie that I saw.
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  Speaker 1: And what was your take on it back then?
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  Speaker 3: How many times did you see this movie?
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  Speaker 2: A bunch of times.
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  Speaker 3: 498? Yeah, something like that.
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  Speaker 1: What was your take on it as a kid?
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  Speaker 6: As a kid, it was awesome. It had ninjas in it.
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  Speaker 1: Ninjas are outlawed.
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  Speaker 3: You don't even speak the name of ninjas.
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  Speaker 6: When you were a kid, you didn't know what ninjas... Well,
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  Speaker 6: I mean, This was before the whole ninja craze, so
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  Speaker 6: we had no clue what the hell a ninja was.
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  Speaker 6: This was before the huge ninja craze of the 80s.
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  Speaker 1: And it was. There were so many ninja movies on VHS.
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  Speaker 9: It was out of control.
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  Speaker 6: Revenge of the Ninja.
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  Speaker 1: Ninja 3.
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  Speaker 6: The Domination.
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  Speaker 1: Enter the Ninja. That was the 90s. That was the
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  Speaker 1: 90s resurgence of kid ninjas.
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  Speaker 6: Pray for death.
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  Speaker 3: They mentioned in this movie that ninjas are outlawed.
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  Speaker 6: They were outlawed in Japan. I don't know.
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  Speaker 9: Were they?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. According to this movie. That's all that's important.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on.
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  Speaker 3: Which part of this movie? Because there were like three movies.
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  Speaker 3: They scrammed into one movie. There was a lot of
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  Speaker 3: movies in this.
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  Speaker 6: They all crammed into one.
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  Speaker 3: It was. Because it's like, which movie are we in now? Oh,
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  Speaker 3: we're in this movie now. Or, oh, we're in this one.
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  Speaker 3: Because it's either from this scene with Chuck Norris. Then
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  Speaker 3: you go to the camp where they're training the ninjas
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  Speaker 3: that are outlawed. And... There's very little to any segue
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  Speaker 3: to any scene in this movie. Plus, it's one of
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  Speaker 3: the first movies that uses this weird voiceover whisper of
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  Speaker 3: what's going on in Chuck Norris' head.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's whispering to himself a lot.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of whispering in his head. And I'm like, boyfriend,
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  Speaker 3: when you talk to yourself in your head, do you whisper?
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  Speaker 6: Yes, I do.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, I don't.
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  Speaker 1: Do you yell at yourself?
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  Speaker 6: I call it speaking at performance volume.
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  Speaker 1: Project from the diaphragm.
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  Speaker 6: Which is apparently what I get accused of doing when
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  Speaker 6: I'm at home.
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  Speaker 3: You don't have an inside voice.
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  Speaker 6: I do not have an inside voice.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, there's a good portion of this movie where
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  Speaker 3: he's just, where is AJ?
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  Speaker 1: Where is AJ gone?
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  Speaker 3: Have the ninjas taken him? Where are the ninjas? How
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  Speaker 3: do I get to the ninjas? And do not be
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  Speaker 3: a chick in a Chuck Norris movie in the Late 70s,
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  Speaker 3: early 80s. Because chances are, you're going to damn die.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It wasn't really a strong female league kind of
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  Speaker 1: a time. Certainly not in those kind of movies.
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  Speaker 6: Well, they all died.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that one chick. That one chick lived.
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  Speaker 8: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 6: That one girl lived. The one who made sweet, sweet
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  Speaker 6: love to Chuck Norris.
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  Speaker 3: In between the scenes of her boobs and the guy
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  Speaker 3: with his flippy sticks.
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  Speaker 6: With his camas.
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  Speaker 3: It's like they are there. She takes her shirt off
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  Speaker 3: and then immediate the other guy training and then back
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  Speaker 3: to her and then back to him training.
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, what is he?
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  Speaker 6: There's no good for like a young teenage boy that
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  Speaker 6: just wants to get a look at some boobs.
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  Speaker 1: And some fighting.
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  Speaker 2: And some fighting.
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  Speaker 3: That's really all you want.
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  Speaker 2: You'll mix those two together.
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  Speaker 3: You're learning to associate them together. This is a whole,
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  Speaker 3: this is where the violence of our culture has come from.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, that's.
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  Speaker 1: And our obsession with boobs.
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  Speaker 3: Well, duh.
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  Speaker 1: So, what is your take on it as a grown-up now?
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  Speaker 1: You hadn't seen it before.
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  Speaker 3: As a grown-up.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, let's see.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I still like it, but I don't know if
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  Speaker 4: I like it more for the nostalgia or if I
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  Speaker 4: just like it because it's got Chuck Norris in it.
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  Speaker 3: And we laughed at a good portion of it.
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  Speaker 1: We laughed at a good portion of it. Just a
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  Speaker 1: little crossover.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, you gotta think about it. A lot of
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  Speaker 6: the stuff nowadays really doesn't translate Or a lot of
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  Speaker 6: things back then don't translate well to today. And I
• 10:50
  Speaker 6: start to see this a lot of times. Like, a
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  Speaker 6: lot of the things that I thought were badass, and
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  Speaker 6: a lot of the people that I thought were badass, nowadays,
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  Speaker 6: in today's world, they're not that badass.
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  Speaker 9: They're just not, you know?
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  Speaker 1: It was all presentation. It was. And you hadn't seen
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: anything like that.
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  Speaker 3: Lee Van Cleef was in this movie.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Lee Van Cleef was in this movie. He's kind
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  Speaker 1: of always a badass.
• 11:12
  Speaker 3: Ernie Hudson had a weird throwaway, like, five lines. I'm like, what?
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, are they going to work Ernie Hudson into this? No.
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  Speaker 1: This was pre-Ernie Hudson, Ernie Hudson.
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  Speaker 3: It was the only scene he had in the whole guy.
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  Speaker 1: He was lucky he got an upgrade to five lines.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I forgot it had the guy in it.
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  Speaker 5: What guy?
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  Speaker 3: Fabulous hair guy. I was so smitten with that guy.
• 11:33
  Speaker 3: You would know him as the guy who wore the
• 11:35
  Speaker 3: coat in Black Christmas.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that guy is so cool and nothing's cooler than
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  Speaker 1: that coat.
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  Speaker 3: That hair. The hair he had.
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  Speaker 6: In that movie.
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  Speaker 3: In this movie. In the octagon.
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  Speaker 2: Could not be stopped.
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  Speaker 3: It was beautiful beyond words.
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  Speaker 6: Except for when they cut his throat.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That slowed him down a little.
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  Speaker 2: Just a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: It didn't cut through the hair though. It just cut
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  Speaker 3: around the front. You know. It was a glorious masterpiece
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  Speaker 3: of hair. There was like flips and waves and just.
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  Speaker 6: A lot of feathering.
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  Speaker 3: There was so much feather. There was feathers on feathers.
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  Speaker 3: It was.
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  Speaker 1: It's a lot of feathers.
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  Speaker 3: It was beautiful.
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  Speaker 7: It was.
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  Speaker 3: It was.
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  Speaker 2: Magnificent.
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  Speaker 3: It was. It was just like glorious. It was like.
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  Speaker 3: I just. It was epic beyond words.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty cool.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think I've ever actually watched a Chuck Norris
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  Speaker 3: movie in its entirety.
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  Speaker 6: We're going to watch more.
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  Speaker 3: Are they going to have grenade launchers? Because that's what
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  Speaker 3: I was expecting. Every trailer you showed me beforehand had
• 12:27
  Speaker 3: rocket launchers and grenade explosives.
• 12:29
  Speaker 6: And then we're going to.
• 12:32
  Speaker 3: Watch Invasion USA. Yeah, it was an event.
• 12:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah, this is pre-Beard. There was a mustache. When he
• 12:39
  Speaker 6: was rocking the mustache, not the beard.
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  Speaker 3: He had hairy shoulders, which was weird. I was like, oh.
• 12:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's a hairy guy. If you ever watch, oh, geez,
• 12:49
  Speaker 6: what is that? Is it Fist of Fury? Is that
• 12:51
  Speaker 6: the one where he fights Bruce Lee?
• 12:54
  Speaker 3: You should know this.
• 12:54
  Speaker 6: I should know this. Yeah, I used to be a
• 12:56
  Speaker 6: huge Bruce Lee fan. I can't think right now, but
• 12:58
  Speaker 6: it's late, and I haven't eaten hardly anything.
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  Speaker 3: I had a sandwich.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, I did have a sandwich, didn't I?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 6: I forgot that.
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  Speaker 3: A bag of gummy bears and a sandwich. Gummy worms. Yeah,
• 13:09
  Speaker 3: gummy worms.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: But yeah, there's a part in that movie where Bruce
• 13:13
  Speaker 6: Lee rips out a huge chunk of his chest hair.
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  Speaker 3: While they're fighting.
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  Speaker 2: That's uncalled for.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's fighting dirty.
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: Unsportsmanlike behavior.
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  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, he rips out a huge.
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  Speaker 2: Chunk of it.
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  Speaker 3: Any other words on this before we move on to
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  Speaker 3: my next movie?
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 3: I pretty much watch it by myself. Leatherface.
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  Speaker 1: Is this the third in the series?
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  Speaker 3: This is the prequelist of prequels.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, this is the more recent.
• 13:38
  Speaker 3: This is the most recent.
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  Speaker 1: Because I thought the The third one in that original
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: series was also just called Leatherface. I don't know. And
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: then like colon Texas Chainsaw 3 or Legend of the
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: Family or whatever the hell it is.
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  Speaker 3: It has Stephen Dorff in it.
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  Speaker 1: Your boy, Dorf.
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  Speaker 3: Dude, I'm not even going to lie. In the day,
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  Speaker 3: I was so like.
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  Speaker 1: You were all about some Dorf.
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  Speaker 3: I was. A little bit. Maybe I'm not going to lie.
• 13:59
  Speaker 3: He's still looking pretty good. But I was like Blade era.
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  Speaker 1: I remember, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Steven Dorf. Why is he not doing conventions?
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: You would think he would, actually.
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  Speaker 2: What else is he doing?
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  Speaker 3: I would wait in that line. I would. But not
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  Speaker 3: in that way.
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  Speaker 6: Would you Chuck Norris wait in that line?
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  Speaker 3: I would Ethan Embry-weight in that line. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: That's how we're going to start.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: That's how we're going to start gauging this. Gauging these.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, Leatherface. It's when the young Leatherface clan, as
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: it were, the mom and.
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: Her- It's certainly become about the family.
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: All her children get taken away. Yeah, so eventually the
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: mom gets all of her children taken away because, of course,
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: her and her little redneck family kill the sheriff's daughter,
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: Stephen Dorff's daughter.
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: That's probably not a good idea.
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, don't piss off Stevendorf. He will go all kinds of...
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: Just in the real world. He'll go sheriff from... That
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: was rejects on you, apparently. But not quite as successful.
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: But yeah, all the kids get taken away. So, fast
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: forward ten years. She wants her boy.
• 15:04
  Speaker 10: Alright.
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: So she goes to look for a boy, and he's
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: in this home where they apparently renamed all the kids.
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: You don't automatically know which one is hers.
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: Little Leatherface. No. They don't call him that?
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: Come on. So I called it like 10 miles away.
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: I'm like, it's not going to be the one they're playing.
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: He's not going to be the dopey big guy over
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: here who's a little bit special. It's not going to
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: be him. It's going to be the somewhat attractive, really nice,
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: gentle guy. Spoiler alert. Because I called. Everybody else is
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: going to call. If I can see it coming, you're
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: going to see it coming. I'm not really spoiling anything.
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: It's just a train wreck. It was bad from front
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: to back. The only shining point was Stephen Dorff and
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: his anger smoking.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: I don't approve of that.
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: He was just so angry the whole time. But they
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: did kill his daughter. Which she was kind of dumb.
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: Because she did go off, oh, this kid wearing a
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: cow's head laying in the road. He runs off. Oh,
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: let's go check on him.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: No, bitch.
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: That's when you leave alone. Because if you see a
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: little boy... Okay, this is a public service announcement. If
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: you're ever driving along through the country in the middle
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: of nowhere and you come upon a small child wearing
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: the hide and head of a cow.
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you just keep on going and you go as
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: fast as you can because no good's gonna come from
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: this mess.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: But I better stop and check on this little boy.
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: And then run like a mile and a half to
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: his barn where you have fallen a big pit that's
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: in the floor and you get spiked and then you
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: get a fucking car motor dropped on you.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: Spoiler alert. This doesn't sound comfortable at all.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this happens in like the first ten minutes. So
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: she's gonna get a car motor dropped on her. Is
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: that motor or an engine? I know people won't get
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: specific on me.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: Car parts.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Don't drop them on yourself. Yeah, anyways.
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: Anyways, you pissed off Stevendorf. He takes your kids away,
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: and then you get your revenge later. But, yeah, that
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: was just... It was unnecessary. Why do we need to have, like,
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: detailed backstories for everybody? Why is there no, like, mystery anymore?
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: Why can't this guy just, like, wear no faces? Why
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: do we have to have some, oh, well, then this happened,
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: and this happened, and he had a troubled childhood. Why
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: do we have to have backstories for everything?
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, there can be... There can be movies like that,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: but why do we need to do all of them
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: like that? You know, it's like, why do we need
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: to drag that out every time? Just let some of
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: the characters be the way they are because that's the
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: way they are. Hell, that's usually the way the world is.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Sometimes people are just messed up when they come out
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: and they do horrible things. So you can backtrack it
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: all you want, but they're still just doing horrible things.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: All right, next movie on my list.
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: Are you ready?
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: Amityville, The Awakening.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Yes, once again. They keep making new Leatherface movies. They
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: keep making new Amityville movies.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: This one's at least a sequel, not a prequel. All right.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: I just spent most of the time being confused. I'm like,
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: how is this shirt even staying on Bella Thorne?
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: I don't... It did? That's unusual.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: The shirt that she sleeps in there is legit.
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: Is it shirt or rags?
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: It's like there's more hole than there is.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Is there duct tape or.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: No, but it's just like, you know when you get
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: a little bit of hole in your shirt? Imagine that
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: being 98% of your shirt. I'm like, if I slept
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: in that, I would wake up choked by my own shirt.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: I would be killed by my own sleepwear.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: It does seem like a hazard.
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: Of some sort.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: It is. I'm like, how are you? There's no material left.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: It's all hole. Stop it. You have a small, younger
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: child running around the house.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: But you've seen the way she dresses in general, so
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: this can't be a surprise, really.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: Which is, yeah, it's still more than she wears in
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: normal real life. Out in public in the real world. Well,
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: this one, I had to call bullshit. Because if you're, if, okay,
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: her mom and dad get divorced. They get divorced? Yeah.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: Or there's a hospital. Her brother, Cameron Monaghan? You know
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: who he is. If you see him, he's another soulless ginger.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: You might have seen him in Gotham. Oh, yeah.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Isn't he from Shameless?
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't watch that show.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Is he the Joker?
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: Joker? possibly, but they don't want to say he's the
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: actual Joker. Anyways, the brother, which of course they had
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: to have some stupid backstory as to how he got
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: in a coma, and of course it's, I could picture
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: Bella Thorne totally doing this because it's Bella Thorne. Anyway,
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: the way her brother gets in a coma, she has
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: to have this, oh my god, super heartbreaking, heart-wrenching, oh
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: my god, let me tell you my backstory. She took
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: naked pictures of herself.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: So this is just the Bella Thorne story.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: I know, right? Send them to a dude.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: This is just the Bella Thorne story.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: They end up everywhere.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: The internet. Or her Instagram feed, but whatever.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: Her brother goes to defend her honor. Gets thrown off
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: a balcony.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Ends up in a coma.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: Well, he might have defended her honor. i adore her.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: But jiminy christmas i don't know about her honor let's
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: just say that never mind she's an honorable lady that's
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: what we're saying as far as you know but uh.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: So they moved to this house it's supposed to be
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: closer to whatever physical therapy that might be able to
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: help him even though he's a vegetable um so they
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: get there and of course he starts having some kind
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: of miraculous activity going on and of course he's being
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: possessed because duh but uh ghosts and shit but i'm
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: serious you you moved to amityville my first thought is
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: mom are we moving to the amityville house Who doesn't
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: know this?
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: So within this universe, in this movie, the other stuff
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: actually happened and took place.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: The movies exist.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: The movies themselves, not just that book. The movies exist.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: But the movies exist.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: The movies exist.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're kind of an idiot.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: How do you look at this house and not immediately
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: look at the house and know? Because the books, who
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: does not know what the Amityville house looks like? In
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: the real world.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: In the real world, yeah. Most people could probably, well.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: Anyway, they're already moved in and she still has no
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: fucking idea. legit. And I'm just like, of course she
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: goes to high school. And I'm like, that's a lot
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: of big step right there. And I was like, yeah,
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: you live in the Amityville house. She's like, the what?
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, just shut it, Bella. Just stop. You're
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: not doing yourself any favors. So of course her friends
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: want to come over and watch the Amityville horror in
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: the Amityville house.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: This is a weird universe we're creating here.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: So yeah, they come over and of course all the
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: clocks are doing weird things and then there's flies and
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: That's a mess.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: So you like this movie?
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: I watched it and I'm like as soon as it
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: was over I'm like okay that was just dumb. I
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: made it all the way through. Alright. I mean there
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: have been some movies that I'm just like no we're
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: just going to stop this one right here. I can't
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: remember right off the bat what the last movie that
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: we just legit stopped was.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: But not this one.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: I made it through because at least it wasn't long.
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: The only one I can think of is Die You
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: Zombie Bastards.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: That one, that one's been like 11 years ago.
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that was a long time ago.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: But yeah, it was just, and then there's just death
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: and blood and then people die.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: That seems to happen around that Amityville place.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, that would be my automatic assumption. Mom, are
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: we moving to Amityville? We're moving into that house, aren't we?
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: Oh my God, Mom, why would you do this? But
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: then her mom, no, her mom wanted that.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: What a jerky mom.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: Who was the mom in this one? It's somebody that
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: we all at least know the name. She's got a
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: three name. From like maybe she was a star in
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: the 80s. Three name chick. Lee. Is Lee in there?
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: Not Jamie Lee Curtis. Not Rachel Lee Cook. Yeah, I
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: give up. Hold on.
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: That would be Jennifer Jason Leigh.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I do like her. She is a very good actress.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on in this movie, but
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: in general, she's a very good actress.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: I've spoiled it for anybody. I didn't tell you the
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: very end, but it's just shaking my head if you
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: can't see it.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Sigh.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: Should we touch on a few of the other movies
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: that I mostly by myself watch because Boyfriend usually just
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: sits in internets?
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: If you have any.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: I have got a shit ton.
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: I watched some of them.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you. Okay. Southbound. Did you watch Southbound? No, you
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: didn't watch Southbound.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: Yes, you did. In a way, it kind of reminds
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: me not really of Triangle because it loops together so
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: many different stories because it's like first you have the
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: first scene is these two guys in a truck and
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: you can tell they've been through some shit already. There's
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: been some shit. And they go and it's just... Every story... Oh,
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: that movie. I liked this movie.
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: No, I didn't say it was a bad movie.
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: I was just like, oh, that movie.
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: That was a weird movie.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: I know, but it's like you have this story, then
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: the next thing you know it interweaves with this story,
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: which then in turn interweaves to this story. And then
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: you get to the next story, and then it all
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: loops back to the first story. I really enjoyed the movie.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: I can't say that there's anybody in this movie that
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: I know, but it's... I think it's four interconnecting stories
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: of This happens in this, and then as the story ends,
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: you happen to be seeing somebody walk by, and then
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: you follow that person, and you get into their story.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: And it's just... None of them are nice stories.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Triangle meets slacker.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: But it's... They all are just horrible stories. But it's entertaining,
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: because I... Sometimes people kind of deserve the bad things
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: that happen to them.
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: Horrible as in horribly written or horrible as in horribly deadly?
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Horrible actions happen to this person.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, I enjoyed the movie. I didn't think it
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: was horribly written. I enjoyed this movie fully.
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: So when you say horrible, you're meaning horrible things happening
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: to people.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: Wasn't anything good that happened to anybody in any of
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: these parts.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, nothing good happened to anybody. No. I think only
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: maybe one person escaped completely unscathed in this film.
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: Did they really?
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure unscathed, but they survived. I'm not going
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: to talk too much about it because I actually watched
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: a lot of movies.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: I will ask you, what was the title again? Because
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: I know listening to these, sometimes I get midway and go, oh,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: that does sound interesting. Wait, what did they say the
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: title was?
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: Southbound. I can't remember if it was on the Netflix,
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: but I don't know if it's on the Watch It
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: Now anymore. I think it was for a while, but
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: you know how they pull stuff back and forth.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, it rotates pretty quick.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: So, I mean, it's slow.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Seek it out.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: It's a lower unknown. I mean, I had never heard
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: of it. I think I'd read a list of movies
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: you might not have seen that you should watch.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: I think I've heard about it just because when we
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: were doing the anthology series, I think that's like an
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: indie anthology that people were referencing when we did the
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Halloween stories this year.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: Briefly, we'll touch upon another one. Alien Covenant.
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: I watched some of that.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: It was awful. I was just.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, for those of you wanting to hear my thoughts,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: you can reference our Alien Covenant episode because we go
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: plenty into it.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Did you like it? Just general yes or no.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, again, there's two movies there. The David stuff
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: is really smart, and it's telling an interesting story, whether
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: or not you even agree that it's something they need
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: to be focusing on. But at least in those moments
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: on the screen when you've got Fassbender and Fassbender... It's like,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: those are great scenes. They're well-written. When he's getting ready
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: to make out with himself, that's unnecessary.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, super hot.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Unnecessary.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: But the characters are interesting.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: So it's like, those scenes are really smart and deserve
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: to be in a good sci-fi movie. And then the rest.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: And it pains me to say this because nobody likes
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Xenomorph more than I. Alien, like, I have so many
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: alien products, geek that I am. Like, I have so
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: much alien stuff because I just love that creature. So
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: anytime I can go and see that creature on the
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: big screen, I'm going to do it. but I get
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: this and I'm just like, why?
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: It was just too slobbery.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: And again, I don't, I don't fault the alien. It's
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: not the creature's fault that it's been stuck into a
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: bad slasher movie is essentially what the rest of it is.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: It takes a series that used to be such well-written
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: sci-fi instead of it going for, you know, the really
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: smart characters that we used to have back in the
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: first two, even first four movies are pretty interesting. But,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: now we go to like these characters become the normal
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: idiots in any slasher movie that are you know walking
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: in head first into something stupid and falling in the
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: blood from the last person that died there and yeah
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: why firing off into the artillery of their own ship
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: where they i mean it's just doing the dumbest things
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: that you expect in a slasher movie but this shouldn't
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: be that kind of... Like, we're not dealing with... I mean,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: these people.
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: I thought these people were actually supposed to be smart.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: They're trained enough to be flying in space. They should
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: be smart enough to not get into these dumb... I'm
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: not saying the alien's not going to kill them. That's
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: the way these plots go. It should, but it's going to.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: You just have to work for it.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's going to show that it's a better
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: predator than they are, you know? It's better at hunting
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: them down. They might be quote-unquote smart, but, like, his
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: instincts are going to be smarter and more efficient, and
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: he's going to kill them. So... that's fine but like
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: the fact that they just make them bumbling idiots the
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: entire movie is what gets on my.
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: Nerves that's how he hunts them yeah he waits for
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: them to fall into zany.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Traps fall into their own nonsense that they did and
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: then just eats the yeah eats the leftovers that alien
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: becomes a vulture at this.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: Point when are you ever going to learn oh here's
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: a huge alien product like an egg let's put my
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: face right in it and see what happens yeah Every
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: goddamn time.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Let's poke it.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: I'm on an alien planet. Let's just walk around without
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: any breathing apparatuses so we can breathe in this.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Weird dusty shit. That one guy over there tested it.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: It probably had loaded with space diseases.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: We're going to move on to the next movie.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Again, go listen to our episode.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Atomic Blonde.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: I liked Atomic Blonde.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: This is one the boyfriend picked out so he better
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: fucking watched it.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: I did and I liked it.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: My only problem with this movie, not enough Til Schweiger.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: Why put Til Schweiger in a movie to have him
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: in it for like five seconds?
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but isn't that always how it goes? Yeah, there
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: wasn't enough Til Schweiger. I mean, look at Inglourious Bastards.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: It's the same thing. But he lived in this one.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: He lived in this movie. They could have put him
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: in it more.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: There's a sequel. Yeah, saving it up for the sequel.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: This is very much a female John Wick.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: It's exactly a female John Wick with a rockin' 80s soundtrack. Yeah,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: I've seen it.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the soundtrack was pretty amazing. It's a cool 80s soundtrack.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: It did throw me for a loop at some point.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: I was like, when you have an 80s song with
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: a recent band doing it, I was like... like, is
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Marilyn Manson?
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Again, that's artistic.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: But I didn't have a problem with it. It didn't
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: throw me out too much.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: They have artistic license. They can do what they want.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Because again, if they're playing a jukebox and it's playing that,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: then it doesn't make sense. You can call it bullshit.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: If it's just going on in the background... That's the
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: director doing what they want to do. They have license
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: to do that. So whatever. I'll let that slide.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: It was very visually, aesthetically pleasing. In other words, fly.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: It was very nice to look at.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: I think it's great overall. But again, we just referenced
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: it on the awards last week. That fight scene in
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: the stairwell.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Awesome.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: That's what says a lot. We got tons of votes
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: for that fight for being best action sequence. And almost
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: nobody for John Wick 2. John Wick 2 is amazing,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: but it's still like nobody remembered the fight scenes in
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: John Wick 2 like they remember that stairwell scene. To me,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: that says a lot.
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: That stairwell scene, as far as fighting is concerned, that's
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: a good realistic fighting scene.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: It's brutal.
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: She is beat to hell. That is exactly what it is.
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: It is dirty. I almost put it in the same
• 30:47
  Speaker 6: league as the fight scene from The Punisher where he's
• 30:50
  Speaker 6: in prison. and those guys try to kill him, and
• 30:54
  Speaker 6: he ends up shanking him.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: That is one of the most- Which version of the Punisher?
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: The TV show.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: Okay. You said movie.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: Sorry about that.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: We don't want people to think it's Dolph Lundgren. I
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: was like, Thomas Jane, or.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: Is this Warzone? Dolph Lundgren.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: No.
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: I'm sorry.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: I'm talking about the TV show. The Netflix show that's got.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: Shane from Walking Dead?
• 31:15
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: What's his name?
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: John Bersmal?
• 31:16
  Speaker 9: John.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: It's got him in it. That's probably one of the
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: most realistic. I mean, you can't get any more real
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: than that. I mean, I've got friends that actually work
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: in prison system, guys I train with, that are like,
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: that is exactly how it goes. They went to somebody
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: that knew what the hell they were talking about to
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: do that fight scene.
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: It's not flashy.
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: It's not high kicks. It's not all kinds of crazy moves.
• 31:43
  Speaker 6: It's just straight up shanking and killing. And that stairwell
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: scene is just straight up. shooting and killing yeah and
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: it is brutal.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: And the fact that it goes on and it draws
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: out like the normal action movie like action scene fight
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: scene we get like they just without even like thinking
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: about it they just go through people right and left
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: like not only is she getting her ass beat along
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: the way while taking people out but it's just winded
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Like she is just out of breath trying to get like,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: it literally is like, if you were going to survive
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: something like this, this is how it would go down
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: because she is hurting through every step.
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: A lot of people don't seem to understand too. They
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: think you get shot once and you're dead.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Depends on where that lands.
• 32:28
  Speaker 6: It depends on where it lands. A lot of times
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: you get shot with a pistol round. You're not going
• 32:31
  Speaker 6: to die.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: You know, whether or not you can kick a bunch
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: of dudes asses.
• 32:35
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 32:35
  Speaker 6: Like a bitch, but depending on where you get shot
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: and what you get shot with, uh, Depends on how
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: fast you're going to bleed out and whether you get
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: shot in any of the major vitals. But she gets
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: hit in the side, I think, doesn't she?
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: I need to re-watch it. I need to go buy
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: it because it's awesome.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: Should we go next to another movie that you picked?
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, sure.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: Ghost in the Shell.
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: Oh, Ghost in the Shell. I like that movie, too.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: See? I was a big fan of the anime. It's
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: one of those, I understand why everybody's annoyed by the casting,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: but I'm trying to take that out. I'm trying to
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: just look at it in a vacuum.
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: Okay, why is everybody annoyed by the casting?
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Because I think they addressed that, too. They fixed it.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: As best they could. The real world version is this
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: movie was not going to get made without Scarlett Johansson attached.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: That's why she's in the lead role. So they were like, okay,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: how can we write that in? They find a good way.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: The shell looks like this. The person is that. It
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: has a reason within the concept of what's going on.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: I understand.
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: But anime geeks.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Just want to get bent out of shape because it's
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: not what they want.
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: I heard a lot of people bitch about, oh, well,
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: she's not Asian enough and blah, blah, blah. Okay, this
• 33:48
  Speaker 6: is coming from an Asian guy. Fuck you. Nobody cares.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: I'm glad somebody defends the other side.
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: The anime, she doesn't look overly Asian anyways.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: A lot of anime.
• 34:02
  Speaker 6: Anime doesn't look overly Asian. You don't look at them.
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: You think about anime, they got big eyes. You know,
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: we don't have big eyes. I don't have big eyes.
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: Unless Misty punches me in the eye.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: You're asking for it.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: Quit talking to me. I know, really.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: But, um. Again, I thought the special effects were great.
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: Special effects were great.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: The story was great. I just wanted a reason to
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: have her running around somewhat naked. She wasn't naked. She's white.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: She's somewhat naked.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: She's covered in whiteness.
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: She's not naked.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: She might as well be naked.
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: She walks funny.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: She does walk funny.
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: She walks like a robot.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: Dude, this is my big... I was like, whoa, wait
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: a second. What the fuck's up with them feet? I
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: was like... I literally had to stop and like, all right,
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: what size shoe does she wear? Because those.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Is this Uma Thurman level?
• 34:44
  Speaker 8: Dude.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: What did I say they were?
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: They were size 10 and a half, I think.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: Which, for somebody who's shorter than me, she's shorter than me,
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: and her foot size is like two and a half
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: sizes bigger than mine.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: You know what they say about girls with big feet.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: They wear big shoes, and they walk funny, apparently. There
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: you go. I was very distracted. I'm like, is she
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: walking like that because she's a robot?
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: Yes, she's walking like that because she's a robot.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: As far as you know.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: I can't tell. Well, she's not wearing heels. Every time
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: I've seen Scarlett Johansson, she's wearing heels. So when she's
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: wearing flat shoes, I'm like, does she just walk like that?
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: Is that just her natural gait? I mean, I don't understand. No.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: I thought for what they were trying to do, like, again,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: you're coming into a bad situation trying to take one
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: of the most beloved anime and turn it into a
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: dumb American movie. You're going to piss off all your fanboys.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: So knowing that they're coming into a bad situation. I
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: thought they did a pretty decent job. I thought they
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: did an excellent job. Yeah, I think it's still... But
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: I can get away.
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: From all that.
• 35:37
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: I can get away from a lot of the arguing
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: and the bickering.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: I tried to take it out of context and just
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: look at it as a sci-fi movie. I think they
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: told an interesting story.
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: I went into it with absolutely no expectations.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: I went into it thinking, okay, I'm either going to
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: like it or I'm not going to like it. I'll
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: just sit back with an open mind and watch it.
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: And I tell you, the guy... They got to play
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: her partner. I can't remember his name.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: He was pretty damn good.
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: He was spot on.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: And again, the special effects, for no spoilers, what happens
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: to him are really cool. The fact that they make
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: all that stuff work shows just how... There's no way
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: they could have even done something like that 10, 15
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: years ago. That would have looked like shit. But the
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: CG is getting better and better. So as much as
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: I will call things out when it's bad CG... There's
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: times when that stuff looks amazing. Most of the stuff
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: they're doing looks pretty good.
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: That movie was just, again, like Atomic Blonde. It was
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: visually just beautiful.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: I like it. Alright.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Does that round out your movie viewings?
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: I think it has. I don't think we watched anything else.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: We're still on the ongoing saga of Beavis and Butthead. Yes.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: The classics.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah.
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: We are cultured.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: All right. If that rounds yours out, I think we're
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: going to take our break and go talk to this
• 37:02
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• 37:03
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• 37:34
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• 44:05
  Speaker 1: So this week's guest is Jonathan Frakes, and I'm sure
• 44:08
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• 44:34
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• 45:01
  Speaker 5: My father was a huge movie buff. And we used
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: to watch Wizard of Oz a couple times a year.
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: And he got me into the John Ford movies, Searchers,
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: and Tie a Yellow Ribbon, and then into the Spielberg movies.
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: So it was always a big part. Jazz and movies
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: were a big part of my upbringing.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Were you leaning towards music? Was that ever an option
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: for you?
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: Well, I play the trombone. I don't play well, but
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: I've been playing since I was in fourth grade. So
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: I had fantasies about making a living as a trombone player,
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: which is the most ridiculous thing, even more than being
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: an actor.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: That's a rough road.
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a limited, small road, small path.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Musician in general is like a crapshoot if you're ever
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: going to make money at it. But trombone is a
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: rough road.
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: There used to be a joke about the definition of
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: an optimist was a trombone player with a beeper.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Now you'll have to explain to the kids what a
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: beeper is.
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: Exactly what a beeper was, I know.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: So then I guess at what point did you start
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: heading towards acting? Was it still school plays?
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: I did plays all through high school and junior high
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: school and then went to college as a psychiatry major.
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: I wanted to be a shrink. And I changed when
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: I saw how much, actually how much fun and how
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: much creative energy was being put out by, there was
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: a professional company at Penn State when I was there
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: called the American Repertory Theater. And then actors in from
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: New York. And I changed majors and got the most
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: useless degree you can get. A BFA in theater arts
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: with a focus on acting. And I was one of
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: the lucky ones who managed to stay with it long
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: enough to Get paid for it and not have to
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: move furniture anymore.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: I've played that game. Might be doing that now. But yeah,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: it is interesting. I think the degree is maybe a formality.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: I think it probably is more of just the forcing
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: yourself to do that every day.
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: Well, also, there are techniques that I learned. I had
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: a very, very good trio of teachers, both for directing
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: and for acting, and movement and voice and sound. I
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: don't regret any of it. But it's hard to.
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: I don't encourage people to go into this profession because
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: it's unjust. And other professions, if you are trained to
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: do something, you can generally find a way to do
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: what you've been trained to do. And acting just... None
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: of the rules apply.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: No, it's sit by the phone. If you're lucky, maybe.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: But yeah, so I guess at that point... You originally
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: go to New York to try to make something happen?
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: I went to New York after doing a couple of
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: seasons at the Loeb Drama Center, which was at Harvard.
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: And I, you know, like everyone else, I waited tables.
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: I was the worst waiter in the history of New
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: York City. As a matter of fact, I was working lunches,
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: and I said to the owner of this French bistro
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: I was working at in the Upper West Side, I said,
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: I've really got to work nights here because I'm an actor,
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: and I've got to go out and pound the pavements.
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: He said, you're not good enough to work here at night.
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: Maybe it was that time I opened that bottle of
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: red wine into that woman's lap that didn't go well.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: She was asking. So then, I mean, with that, were
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: you already like specifically wanting to stick with stage work
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: or were you thinking.
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: I want something else? The way I came out of
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: college and most of the people in my sort of era,
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: or at least at our school, was our dream was
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: to get a job at one of the big repertory
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: theaters like the Guthrie or Actors Theater Louisville or ECT
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: in San Francisco, and become a member of one of
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: those companies, the Arena Stage in Washington. I was lucky
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: enough to go to work in Seattle Rep and do
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: a play out there, and I thought, this is fantastic.
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: And then things changed for me in New York. I
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: was cast on a soap called The Doctors, and then
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: I had done a summer play version of a play
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: called Shenandoah with John Cullum, which was a Broadway show
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: that I went in as a replacement. So I was by,
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: you know, in the 70s, I thought I had died
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: and gone to heaven. I had a day job at
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: 30 Rock where I was playing on a soap opera.
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: And I had a night job on Broadway in the
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: chorus and with a small part in Shenandoah. And it's just,
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: I couldn't imagine getting any better.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: That's better than most actors.
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was really I've been very blessed through my
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: whole career.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: So what then led to L.A.? After you had the
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: job on The Doctors, like, did that.
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: Well, I got killed off on The Doctors, and Shenandoah closed,
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: and by that time I had an agent who said,
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: you should probably go to L.A. because there's more work,
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: and most television was being made out there then.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: So I did.
• 49:59
  Speaker 5: I packed up this 1967 Chevy Sport van, and my
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: brother and I drove out to L.A. and stayed with
• 50:06
  Speaker 5: my old college friend, Nate Cook, out in the south
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: pasadena and started to bounce around and ended up doing
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: just that being the you know the guest villain of
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: the week on.
• 50:17
  Speaker 11: There was a lot of shows it was everything i
• 50:21
  Speaker 11: remember the voyagers episode and uh duke's a hazard you
• 50:25
  Speaker 11: know it's yeah it's an amazing lineup of stuff just
• 50:29
  Speaker 11: just again finding your way through there but then i
• 50:31
  Speaker 11: think that the main thing even before i saw you
• 50:34
  Speaker 11: on next generation i remember north and south and that
• 50:36
  Speaker 11: being such an amazing like i mean they They.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: Blocked out time on television. They don't do that now.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: There is no miniseries like that.
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: As a matter of fact, that was meant to be
• 50:46
  Speaker 5: a six-hour miniseries that became a 12-hour miniseries. While we
• 50:50
  Speaker 5: were shooting it, they were so pleased with what they
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: were getting that they rewrote the contract. We were out
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: on the road in Charleston and Natchez, Mississippi and other
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: places for the better part of a year. During that time,
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: I actually fell in love with my wonderful wife, Ginny Francis,
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: with whom I've been for the last 33 years.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: That is also an impressive feat in Hollywood.
• 51:13
  Speaker 9: Or in life.
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: Or in life.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: Truthfully. But yeah, that, what, I mean, that had to
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: be kind of an amazing shoot in general. Just those,
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: those huge battle scenes. Like how did that.
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but my character was spineless Stanley Hazard. So I
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: was never involved in any of the.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: Hanging out with the girls back at the house.
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: I stayed around the house.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: It's the better place to be in a war, I suppose.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: But yeah. So I guess then you're heading into Next Generation,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: and I think that was what I noticed pretty early
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: on was seeing within a pretty decent amount of time
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: your name popping up in the director's chair. So was
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: that something you'd always been toying with, or was it
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: something that once you were on set started to see?
• 51:53
  Speaker 5: Once I was on set, it gelled for me that
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: this was actually the better job because it became clear
• 52:00
  Speaker 5: that it was, I mean, I was the second best
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: actor in my own house. And I was probably, you know,
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: fourth or fifth on a show that I was on.
• 52:07
  Speaker 5: So I was very fortunate to be on, you know,
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: making a living as an actor. And I sensed from
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: looking around that I wouldn't want to be putting my
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: kids through college as the guy who used to be Riker.
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: And I also would like to be involved all day.
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: And the director's involved in every shot. And, you know,
• 52:27
  Speaker 5: during pre-production, post-production. It was a job that I wanted
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: to do. And was fortunate enough to be on a
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: show where Rick Berman, who was our producer at the time,
• 52:39
  Speaker 5: allowed me sort of behind the scenes. So I went
• 52:41
  Speaker 5: through prep on shows and working on the scripts and casting.
• 52:46
  Speaker 5: And then spent about 300 hours in the editing room
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: learning what the editors needed to actually cut together the scenes.
• 52:52
  Speaker 5: And I go through post-production and spotting the sound and
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: the scoring sessions, which I also loved. So I got
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: a sense of what it took. to put an episode
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: of television together from beginning to end. And I shadowed
• 53:08
  Speaker 5: for a couple of years before they finally relented. And
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: then when they did, I was blessed with an episode
• 53:15
  Speaker 5: that happened to be a Data episode, which was called Offspring.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: So it kept you behind the camera anyway.
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: Well, no, it wasn't that so much as it was
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: Data was fabulous. Brent is a genius. And if you
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: get an episode that featured him, generally that's... It was
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: also Rene Echeverria's spec script who went on to become
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: one of our greatest writers and a producer of many
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: other shows after that. So it was a great sort
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: of lightning in the bottle moment for me. I was
• 53:41
  Speaker 5: over prepared. It was a data episode and Rene's spec
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: script and it worked out. Because we used to do
• 53:49
  Speaker 5: 26 episodes a year.
• 53:50
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: TV's changed so much since then.
• 53:54
  Speaker 5: And you know they can't all be home runs. And
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: as a director you're sort of at the mercy of
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: your script. So I was lucky I had a good one.
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: Same with my first movie, With First Contact, by Brandon
• 54:06
  Speaker 5: Braga and Ron Moore. The script was just spectacular. People
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: loved that.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: One in particular.
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a winner.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, that was something I was wondering, too, as
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: you got towards the end of the series, and you're
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: only doing some episodes, so you're watching other directors. Did
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: it become more frustrating to have to sit on the
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: sidelines and watch other directors?
• 54:27
  Speaker 8: No, I.
• 54:28
  Speaker 5: I enjoy that to this day. Everyone has their own technique.
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: No matter what movie you watch or what episode of
• 54:35
  Speaker 5: anything you watch, there's always something to be learned what
• 54:38
  Speaker 5: to do or sometimes what not to do. I was
• 54:41
  Speaker 5: always told to steal from the good ones.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: As you did First Contact and then go on to
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: do the rest of them in that series, you... What
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: are you trying to do that's different than the episodes?
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: Because that's got to be a challenge coming off of
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: so many years of doing the show.
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: Well, you don't try to do anything different. You're just
• 54:59
  Speaker 5: given the privilege of having a little more money, a
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: little more time. That means you can have some more
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: toys so that you can use cranes that we would
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: never be allowed or they would never pay for. And
• 55:08
  Speaker 5: our sets were more expansive and we got to go
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: and do exterior shooting which never happened on the show.
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: So the scope was bigger and therefore your appetite could
• 55:16
  Speaker 5: be as big.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: Well then, just kind of moving through some of the
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: other film stuff, like, then you start dealing with, I mean,
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: you certainly had a lot of special effects, you know,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: dealing with Star Trek over the years, but then going
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: into something like Clockstoppers, it's like everything about that premise
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: is based around doing effects shots of some sort. So
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: do you, like, how do you have to plan out
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: everything you do to be able to then later be
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: able to fix the effects.
• 55:41
  Speaker 9: After the fact?
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: Well, that's what prep is for, and hiring great people.
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: Mike Fink was our visual effects supervisor on Clockstoppers, and
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: It was the first time I'd ever used the array cam,
• 55:51
  Speaker 5: which is what we ended up using to create the
• 55:54
  Speaker 5: Clockstopper's time-stopping effect, which is, you know, you rig up
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: 60 or 70 individual cameras and shoot them in a
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: sequence like a domino. So it was generally some teams
• 56:08
  Speaker 5: spending a day to set up what ends up being
• 56:10
  Speaker 5: a shot that maybe lasts seven seconds. So it was
• 56:14
  Speaker 5: like using what we used to call the big cameras. Anyway,
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: we'll come back to him. Looks like the Monitor and
• 56:25
  Speaker 5: the Merrimack.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, the giant process. Well, that's, yeah, it's just
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: going to one of the next ones. We actually had
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: Jamie Anderson on years ago that's Jerry Anderson's son, and
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: he and his partner Eric Chu had been working on
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: trying to do a reboot of the original idea of Thunderbirds.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: So you're handed almost the opposite problem. You're taking something
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: that's built around a premise that it is these puppets
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: and this crazy idea of filming that and making it
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: into its own thing. So when you strip that all away,
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: how do you approach it as, okay, the thing that
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: everybody knows about this, we're taking away now. We have
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: to come up with this.
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: Well, it turned out to be not such a great
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: idea to take away, I mean, in terms of the
• 57:07
  Speaker 5: way the movie was received.
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:09
  Speaker 5: But we didn't know that while we were making it,
• 57:11
  Speaker 5: so we were making the biggest, most exciting action-adventure kid's
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: version that we could possibly make.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: And, I mean, still a pretty amazing cast there.
• 57:23
  Speaker 5: Sir Ben Kingsley and the late, great Bill Paxton.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: Vanessa Hutchins is like a child.
• 57:29
  Speaker 5: I forgot. It might have been her first job. I
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: forgot how.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: And going back and looking, I'm like, still, I mean,
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: even then, I'm assuming you could see how, like, she
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: had to be driven already to be.
• 57:43
  Speaker 5: She was a stage kid.
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:45
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: And she was. full of energy and the camera loved
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: her and she was a hard worker and I gather still.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: Is yeah I mean looking now it's funny she's moved
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: into these adult roles now and like it's just an
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: amazing committed actress so yeah so I guess as you
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: go through you've still continually worked in television way more
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: so than film is there something that draws you more.
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: No it has nothing to do with that after the
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: Thunderbirds bombed I went to movie jail yeah and when
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: you're in movie jail they don't hire you to direct
• 58:16
  Speaker 5: other movies On television, the medium is driven by the writing.
• 58:21
  Speaker 5: And in movies, for better or for worse, the director
• 58:24
  Speaker 5: gets the blame if a show doesn't do well. So
• 58:27
  Speaker 5: Dean Devlin, my friend, called me when I was living
• 58:30
  Speaker 5: in Maine and said, I can't cover this librarian movie
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: that we're shooting in Africa. Would you be interested in
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: coming to direct it? So Dean bailed me out of
• 58:42
  Speaker 5: movie jail. I went to Africa. with my lifelong friend now,
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: Noah Wiley, and Bob Newhart and Jane Curtin, and we
• 58:51
  Speaker 5: made this wonderful action-adventure comedy called The Librarian, and I've
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: been with that show ever since.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was such a fun idea anyway, and
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: I think that's what I was most impressed with, is
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: that somebody gave that a chance, that it really did
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: find a home or relocate as it went on, and
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: like they able to keep doing movies and then turn
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: it into a series and said most even good properties
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: don't get that chance.
• 59:15
  Speaker 5: Anymore so yeah that was a real blessing for a
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: long time.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah so i mean as you as you do tv
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: series now that's something i always wonder too like that
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: one at least you've been on the run the whole
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: time but When you come in and do a one-off
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: of a Welles that you're doing in CIS Los Angeles
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: or something that is many years process, everybody else already
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: kind of has their groove and knows what they're doing.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: How do you approach it when you come in as
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: a director for one episode?
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: When you're a director on an episode of television that's
• 59:44
  Speaker 5: already on the air, your job, your responsibility, and what
• 59:49
  Speaker 5: your challenge is, is to present, direct, deliver the best
• 59:54
  Speaker 5: version of their show that you can. on time, on budget,
• 59:58
  Speaker 5: and hopefully keep the actors and the crew happy while
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 5: you're doing it. So you watch the show, you watch
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 5: how it's made, you watch how it's shot, and you
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 5: shoot it that way, and you try to keep people
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 5: on point and tell the story as interestingly as you can.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 5: But you certainly don't go in and reinvent the wheel
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 5: when you're doing NCIS LA. And that's the challenge of
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 5: doing episodic TV. Each show is a little bit different,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 5: and each show has certain stylistic things that are identifiable
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 5: because for better or for worse, when an audience is, um,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 5: bonking through their TV and they, they recognize they want
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 5: to see in, you know, 30 frames. Oh, I want,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 5: I know what that show is.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: That's, you got to keep it.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: Visually. Oh yeah. I know the style of this.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 5: Exactly.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: Again, why is it that you think they swap out
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: directors so much on, on episodic television? Because it is
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: something that, I mean, the showrunner kind of seems like they,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: especially now in the new era, like the showrunner is
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: who's really in charge. The director is kind of higher
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: hand sometimes.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 5: The showrunner is who, you're talking about the writing showrunner.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 5: But that hasn't changed. That's the way it's been in television.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 5: Now the writers are on the set with you, which
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 5: is a new thing in the last five or ten years.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: It just seems like it would. If they just found
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: one director that they liked and stuck with it, but
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: so often that you don't see that.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 5: Well, you have to have time to prepare and find
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 5: your locations and do your casting, so you can't do
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  Speaker 5: all the shows.
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  Speaker 1: So they hand that off to you.
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  Speaker 5: And there's also a... Diversity is now a mandate, and
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  Speaker 5: it's a new era.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very different now. The other thing you've settled
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  Speaker 1: in over the years into a lot of voiceover work,
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  Speaker 1: is that just... What has drawn you to that? Because
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  Speaker 1: everybody that does it just seems to love the whole idea.
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  Speaker 5: It's a great gig, and I've always wanted to crack it,
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  Speaker 5: and I've just, in the last few years, been lucky
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  Speaker 5: enough to get called in on a few things that
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  Speaker 5: have worked out in a.
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  Speaker 1: Future worm.
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  Speaker 5: Future worm, right? Guardians of the Galaxy. Yeah, there's a
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  Speaker 5: lot of... I just started a new show called Hot Streets,
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  Speaker 5: which is on... I think it's going to be on
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  Speaker 5: What's that called?
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  Speaker 1: I think it's Comedy... No, it's Cartoon Network, isn't it?
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  Speaker 5: No, it's not Cartoon Network.
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  Speaker 9: It's the.
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  Speaker 5: I thought it.
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  Speaker 1: Was Adult Swim.
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  Speaker 5: It's Adult Swim.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it was one of those because I've
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  Speaker 1: seen some of the stuff for it.
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  Speaker 5: Adventure Time is... I mean, there's so many wonderful things
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  Speaker 5: about doing these and then you get a whole new
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  Speaker 5: batch of fans at these conventions because of it.
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  Speaker 1: They probably don't even know what you're up there for
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  Speaker 1: and that everybody else is in line. They're just like,
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  Speaker 1: oh yeah, I love you and Guardians of the Galaxy.
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  Speaker 5: It's kind of a win-win.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. And then looking at some of the newer
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  Speaker 1: stuff coming out, this was one that when I saw
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  Speaker 1: your name pop up at the beginning of the Orville,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: going into that, I was like, knowing Seth MacFarlane's history,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: I really expected it to be more of just roasting
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  Speaker 1: the whole idea. And then I get through those first
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  Speaker 1: couple episodes.
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  Speaker 9: It was just the opposite.
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  Speaker 5: It's a love letter.
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  Speaker 1: It is so just in love with it.
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  Speaker 5: He has wanted to be the captain of a starship
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  Speaker 5: since he was nine years old. And because of the
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  Speaker 5: tens of millions of dollars he's made for Fox, they
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  Speaker 5: gave him the opportunity. And he hired Brandon Braga, who
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  Speaker 5: wrote First Contact. And he hired Marvin Rush, who's a
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 5: cinematographer from Next Generation. And he hired Robbie Duncan McNeil,
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  Speaker 5: and he hired James Conway, and he hired me. So
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  Speaker 5: he was surrounded with Star Trek people. So the show looks, feels,
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  Speaker 5: and yet it's got the Seth MacFarlane taste.
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  Speaker 1: It's got its own sense of humor.
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  Speaker 5: It's got a wonderful sense of humor. And for a
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  Speaker 5: lot of fans, I find, It's their new Star Trek.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it works in a way that we didn't expect
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  Speaker 1: it to. And then, I guess, coming into an actual
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  Speaker 1: official new Star Trek. They brought you in to do
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  Speaker 1: one of those as well. How jarring is that to
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: be back on a Star Trek set?
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  Speaker 5: It's wonderful to be on Discovery, and I'm looking forward
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  Speaker 5: to going back up there. Actually, next month, they're shooting
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 5: in Toronto. That show, I think, has gotten better. Do
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 5: you watch that show?
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: I've seen the premiere.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, you've got to get past that.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: We're coming back into it.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it gets better and better and better and stronger.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 5: And the cast is wonderful. And the writer's room is
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 5: filled with.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: Doug Jones is one of our regulars on this show.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 5: He's amazing. What a great season he's had, too. One
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 5: of the great gentlemen. I worked with him on Falling Skies.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 5: And he's... the acting captain of the Discovery as we speak.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: He's pretty impressive just in general. So, yeah, I can
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: see being on set, especially when, you know, if there's
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: anybody you're going to encase in latex, it's Doug. I mean,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: he knows what he's doing. Otherwise, do you have, like,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: new stuff you're working on?
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 5: I'm going back to Discovery. I'm going back to the Orville.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 5: I'm trying to sell a couple of pilots. So it's
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 5: all good.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: Anything social media? Do you want to get out there
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: and have people follow you?
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 5: Twitter, Jonathan S. Frakes.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Thank you for being with us, man.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 5: My pleasure. All right.
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  Speaker 2: And scene.
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  Speaker 7: Hi, I'm superstar action hero Steak Starbolt. This is a
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 7: public service message about following orders. Remember, kids, do exactly
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 7: what your parents say, or you might just be dragged
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 7: away by flesh-eating zombies like foolish Mira Faye.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 6: Down, down, down, boy.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: The more you know, the more you.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: All right. So, I think we're about ready to wrap
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: it up here at the old Lexington Comic and Toy Convince.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: Are you guys ready to go?
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: I'm exhausted, truthfully.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I am, dude. I got like three hours of
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: sleep last night.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 6: I got a two-hour drive home.
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  Speaker 1: Massive undertaking.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, in your world.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: Seven-hour drive home.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: I got another hour of sleep. I could have got
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: four hours of sleep instead of three, but Mr. Oh, no,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: it takes two hours to drive there and not an
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  Speaker 3: hour and six minutes.
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  Speaker 6: If we had gotten here on real hour time, we
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  Speaker 6: would probably still be standing in line for a long time.
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  Speaker 3: Right now.
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  Speaker 1: So all of that is due to the Lexington Comic
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: and Toy Convention. So a big thank you to them.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: To find out what they've got in the works next
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: time around, go to lexingtoncomiccon.com and see what they've got
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  Speaker 1: going on. And you can be here next time around.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 6: With us in the stairwell.
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  Speaker 1: So otherwise, that about does it. We will return next time.
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  Speaker 1: Same geek feed.
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  Speaker 6: Thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 1: Bye.
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  Speaker 8: Bye.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: So so.
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  Speaker 11: Thank you.
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  Speaker 8: Thank you.
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  Speaker 6: I thought there was a cat.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: Jeez. Scared the shit out of me.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 6: The fucking bag fell down on me.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: I thought it was a damn cat.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: Is there a cat here in the convention? We are
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: in Wildcat Country.
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