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Patriots Unfiltered 1/2: Takeaways from the loss to the Buffalo Bills, Potential Changes in 2024 · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
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  Speaker 1: at Jillets Stadium, and it's Jets Week. For whatever that's worth,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's it's worth a lot. What you wear
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  Speaker 1: sweater and cold.
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  Speaker 5: I'm gonna pull a Fred. I don't care for it.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a Fred McMurray.
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  Speaker 3: Well I will, I.
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  Speaker 9: Will say, out of all of Fred's fall fits, which
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  Speaker 9: I guess it's winter now, so I can't use as
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  Speaker 9: like this isn't my favorite.
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  Speaker 5: I know you don't like this. You paid top dollar.
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  Speaker 3: I like this is last on my friend.
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  Speaker 1: I like zip ups. I don't like three quarter zips.
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  Speaker 1: Things you have to pull over your head.
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  Speaker 6: El you wear what you want to wear. Fred, don't
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  Speaker 6: listen to them.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to just do me.
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  Speaker 5: Wait, wait hear what he does to me. Wait, but
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  Speaker 5: I'm going to get him back.
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  Speaker 3: Don't don't listen to em.
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  Speaker 9: Because this is also someone who's had multiple people come
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  Speaker 9: up to him and say, you wear the same quarter
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  Speaker 9: zip every single week.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, first of all, First of all, we see each
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  Speaker 6: other a lot here. Okay, I only have so much clothes.
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  Speaker 6: All these people care enough, like come up.
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  Speaker 5: To me and doesn't have time for clothes.
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  Speaker 6: You just got a film, like I have this expansive
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  Speaker 6: wardrobe like you know Kim Kardashian, and I got like
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  Speaker 6: a warehouse for my clothes.
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  Speaker 5: I wear a lot of the same.
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  Speaker 3: Did get a new though?
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  Speaker 5: Did you get a NEWE know way too much about.
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  Speaker 7: Don't you feel like after you get stuff for the holidays, though,
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  Speaker 7: you have to kind of soft launch your new clothes.
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  Speaker 5: I can't wear it that day.
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  Speaker 1: You don't want to walk in like especially with somebody
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  Speaker 1: got something for friends, especially friend, he will not let
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  Speaker 1: it pass, especially in this place.
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  Speaker 5: I got.
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  Speaker 7: I got a pair of black jeans which are just
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  Speaker 7: like you get new jeans and black jeans. They are
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  Speaker 7: way too black and like it just really bugging me.
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  Speaker 7: But you know, everywhere I walk around, if you feel
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  Speaker 7: self conscious, because like everyone knows, Oh do you get
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  Speaker 7: those for Christmas?
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  Speaker 4: They look great, It's fantastic.
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  Speaker 5: I have to ask, who are you wearing? Yeah, all right,
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  Speaker 5: Tommy Bahamash.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's kind of a big week for so so
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  Speaker 1: many reasons. One, we're playing the Jets and there's a
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  Speaker 1: streak on the line here going streaking sixteen in a
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  Speaker 1: row wins against the Jets on the line. Got to
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  Speaker 1: keep that up. Last game of the season, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you know, yeah, it is what it is.
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  Speaker 1: Could it possibly Bill Belichick's last game as a coach.
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  Speaker 1: We don't know, We don't know, but all eyes will
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  Speaker 1: be on that. And to top it off, there's a
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  Speaker 1: possibility of a major snowstorm Saturday night into Sunday morning.
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  Speaker 7: Every time I brought up snow, Samara is like, no, stop,
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  Speaker 7: I hadn't heard major.
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  Speaker 4: I have.
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  Speaker 3: I'm actually allergic to snow.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that means you're allergic to water.
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  Speaker 9: My mom my grandparents said that when I was little,
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  Speaker 9: like whatever, it's snowed because I was born in New York.
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  Speaker 9: I don't know if I told you that, but so
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  Speaker 9: whenever it's snow in New York, which is all the time,
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  Speaker 9: they always had to carry me, I refuse to step
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  Speaker 9: in it.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm like, that tracks because I actually.
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  Speaker 6: Hate It's okay, so you're not actually aler I am.
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  Speaker 7: So we're going to strap you into like a baby.
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  Speaker 1: That's not an allergy, that's a phoba.
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  Speaker 3: I just hate it. I can't.
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  Speaker 4: She just can't even I hear you.
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  Speaker 5: But it's gonna make that commuty.
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  Speaker 1: It might snow. They don't know like what's going on yet,
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  Speaker 1: whether it's going to be a mix or heavy, but
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  Speaker 1: it could be anything from a wintery mix to a
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  Speaker 1: major blizzard. According to the news.
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  Speaker 6: We all staying at the hotel at Patriot Place for
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  Speaker 6: no you'll leave.
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  Speaker 1: Your house at four in the morning.
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  Speaker 4: I got a spot, and anybody wants to crash.
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  Speaker 5: Thinking about that might put might put.
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  Speaker 1: I mean for those of you who have to get
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  Speaker 1: up early. I don't. I don't know. It's supposed to
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  Speaker 1: be like morning Sunday and then trickle off during the day,
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  Speaker 1: so I think the Sunday night commute will be fine.
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  Speaker 1: It's just getting to the stadium that you better leave early.
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  Speaker 4: I hope it doesn't like ruin the atmosphere. That would
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  Speaker 4: be you.
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  Speaker 7: Know more, because I'm just curious what the atmosphere is
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  Speaker 7: actually you would add to the atmosphere, well, maybe if
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  Speaker 7: it's the right amount of snow, but if it's too much,
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  Speaker 7: then I feel like people are just going to be
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  Speaker 7: kind of bum bundled up and miserable.
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  Speaker 5: Fred, I think it might help the atmosphere because I'm
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  Speaker 5: not sure what that's going to be like on Sunday normal.
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  Speaker 7: You don't want to get people snowballs in this game.
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  Speaker 7: They might be they may be firing.
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  Speaker 5: Well, just you know, there's a lot. There's a lot
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  Speaker 5: going on.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot going on for a meaningless Week eighteen game.
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  Speaker 5: For both teams.
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  Speaker 6: Yea, all, yeah, well it's not meaningless, but yeah, I
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  Speaker 6: mean the reverse of meaning meaningful.
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  Speaker 5: So go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: No, I was gonna move the page to talking about
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  Speaker 1: what it transpired on Sunday.
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  Speaker 3: So oh no, yeah, No, mine is not about Sunday.
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  Speaker 3: It's about Jets.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, yeah, so hold that thought. All right,
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  Speaker 1: So before we get into Jets week, we have to
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  Speaker 1: kind of go back and look at what happened Sunday.
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  Speaker 1: People calling it another example of this team playing hard
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  Speaker 1: to the finish.
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  Speaker 3: Do we have to talk about it. It's a new year.
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  Speaker 3: We have to leave the past in the past.
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  Speaker 1: I know. But four, I think I think the game
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  Speaker 1: was remarkable, not in an outstanding sense, but just it's
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  Speaker 1: worth making remarks about.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah. I don't I mean, I don't. I don't really
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  Speaker 7: care about the playing hard stuff. I just I think,
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  Speaker 7: to me, it was just another game of the twenty
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  Speaker 7: twenty three Patriots that just kind of told you, like, look,
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  Speaker 7: it's not Mack or Zappy, Like this whole thing is
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  Speaker 7: screwed up right now in this offense, especially like there
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  Speaker 7: isn't like a player that was going to fix this.
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  Speaker 7: This was a problem top to bottom. And you know,
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  Speaker 7: even though Zappy made some plays, like again, it's it's
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  Speaker 7: the same thing. You can't hold protection, you don't have
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  Speaker 7: you know, enough guys they can catch the ball and
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  Speaker 7: make big plays. So in that sense, I just liked.
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  Speaker 7: It was like reassuring, like, Yep, this is what the
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  Speaker 7: team was.
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  Speaker 4: We know we have to do to change this wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the thing, you know, I know a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people want to say, oh, they're so close this year.
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  Speaker 1: You know, if this didn't happen, if that happened, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they'd be right in it.
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  Speaker 5: But game.
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  Speaker 1: But that's the case for most teams that aren't good
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  Speaker 1: in the NFL. It's it is a matter of this
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  Speaker 1: or that. But that's what separates the good teams from
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  Speaker 1: the bad teams in the NFL. And like you said, Mike,
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  Speaker 1: the fact that this has been a recurring issue tells
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  Speaker 1: us that we can be confident in our evaluation that
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  Speaker 1: this is who they are.
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  Speaker 7: But I would say too that the good teams and
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  Speaker 7: even some of the bad teams have had times this
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  Speaker 7: season where they're blown doors off of people, or it's
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  Speaker 7: all clicking and wow, they got the defense on the rune,
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  Speaker 7: like the things that we point to with his Patriots teams.
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  Speaker 4: Like they almost held on. Like that's what the consolation.
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  Speaker 7: I get that the games are always close, but like
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  Speaker 7: you know, even some of the bad teams this year
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  Speaker 7: have seen have shown more of like a potential on
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  Speaker 7: offense to actually move the ball.
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  Speaker 4: And you know how many times this year did you.
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  Speaker 7: Ever feel like, wow that the Patriots offense really got
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  Speaker 7: this team on the run right now, Like it was
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  Speaker 7: always just hanging on by the skinning your teeth and
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  Speaker 7: there you go, Hey, that was like a drive. That
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  Speaker 7: was a good you know, no, that's it, that's exact.
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  Speaker 7: But that's you know, to me, it's just you never
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  Speaker 7: you never saw that. Even a couple of years ago,
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  Speaker 7: you'd see you know, they'd come in with a Jacksonville
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  Speaker 7: team that had nobody and they're like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 7: like look at the explosion.
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  Speaker 1: Not even those.
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  Speaker 4: Things mattered this year.
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  Speaker 7: They lost to the Giants, they lost to the Colts,
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  Speaker 7: They lost to the teams that were undermanned and had
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  Speaker 7: a back a court.
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  Speaker 1: Team like the Cowboys. That's an inconsistently good team. You know,
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  Speaker 1: they have these great games and then they have these
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  Speaker 1: games that they lose they shouldn't lose or hang on.
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  Speaker 1: The Patriots are consistent, but it's in a bad way, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Derek Assistant. They're consistently bad, and they make the same
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  Speaker 1: mistakes week after week that keep them from winning.
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  Speaker 9: And I will say they got lucky that the Bills
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  Speaker 9: were very off on offense as well, like Josh Allen
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  Speaker 9: was just not his usual Otherwise they could have got
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  Speaker 9: blown out with all those interceptions.
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  Speaker 3: Like they're lucky at.
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  Speaker 1: Guilt some credit to that, you know, Like you know,
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  Speaker 1: during the game, a lot of people, oh, good thing,
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  Speaker 1: Josh Allen's having a terrible game. But I did I
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  Speaker 1: give the defense some credit, you know, into making that happen.
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  Speaker 5: As receivers, I would say that, I would. I would say,
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  Speaker 5: but to echo what Mike is saying that it was
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  Speaker 5: a micro microcosm of the season because they just can't
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  Speaker 5: move the ball and turnovers aside. I know everybody fixates
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  Speaker 5: on the turnovers, turnovers aside, they don't move the ball
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  Speaker 5: when they hold on to it, they don't move it. Now,
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  Speaker 5: the one slight difference with Zappi is the thing we
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  Speaker 5: talk about all the time. He moves around better than
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  Speaker 5: Mac did. And occasionally they make a chunk play, right,
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  Speaker 5: and when they get that chunk play, they're able to
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  Speaker 5: score on a drive twice Like that's what happened. They
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  Speaker 5: got two chunk plays, a fifty yard screen and a
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  Speaker 5: forty yard past a Rager, and they scored on those
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  Speaker 5: two drives. Otherwise, they can't move the ball no matter
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  Speaker 5: who the quarterback is. Defensively, general terms, they will play
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  Speaker 5: at a level that's good enough for you to compete
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  Speaker 5: if you can if you have offense. Yep, they have
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  Speaker 5: no offense. And I thought, I agree with you, Fred.
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  Speaker 5: I thought, yes, Josh Allen was terrible in that game. Yes,
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  Speaker 5: the Bills receivers dropped a bunch of passes, but a
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  Speaker 5: lot of that I do think was due to the
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  Speaker 5: Patriots defense. I think they played well. They didn't only
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  Speaker 5: dropped like huge short passes, big player.
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  Speaker 6: You have to like the context of of the drops
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  Speaker 6: are important because they dropped a past Sirfield dropped a
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  Speaker 6: pass on the little return route that Alex Austin would
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  Speaker 6: have tackled him six yards shorter. That's what I said,
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  Speaker 6: short pass right and then so really the only pass
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  Speaker 6: that they dropped that was a huge factor as Latavius
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  Speaker 6: Murray dropped one passed the sticks that was wide open
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  Speaker 6: that would have been a first down. The other plays,
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  Speaker 6: I look, I Zappi's a roller coaster. His film is
• 11:02
  Speaker 6: an absolute roller coaster. You're either going all the way
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  Speaker 6: down or you're going all the way up and there's
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  Speaker 6: no in between, and it's it's kind of crazy to
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  Speaker 6: watch it out of the gate. I had him with
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  Speaker 6: like five negative plays in a row.
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  Speaker 5: You did, pf F had no none. We'll get to that.
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  Speaker 5: They had him for no turnover worthy plays. We can
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  Speaker 5: get to two of them.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it was a roller coaster, Paul, you know, you
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  Speaker 6: said it perfectly. They get like a couple of big plays.
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  Speaker 6: I thought he made a really good throw to Parker
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  Speaker 6: on a crossing route. Uh, the scramble that he you know,
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  Speaker 6: seventeen yard touchdown on a scramble. Nice play, the ragerbomb,
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  Speaker 6: nice play. Like those those are nice.
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  Speaker 4: I like that.
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  Speaker 5: I like that.
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  Speaker 6: I told Neil, I was like, you missed an opportunity
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  Speaker 6: that here, Neil. Yeah, anyways, so right, but I did.
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  Speaker 6: I do want to give the defense flowers though, because
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  Speaker 6: I really feel like that defensively, the fact that they
• 12:02
  Speaker 6: have Alex Austin and Sean Wade playing significant naps at
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  Speaker 6: corner and they are ninth and DVOA in the NFL
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  Speaker 6: right now, they are the fact that they've held on
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  Speaker 6: defensively like that is.
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  Speaker 1: Now have to put context into there. I want to
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  Speaker 1: be fair. Teams don't have to, you know, go crazy,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 6: So, Yeah, but I don't feel like the Bills play
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  Speaker 6: that way. Like the Bills are pedal to the medal.
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  Speaker 6: Like if the Bills could have scored fifty points on
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  Speaker 6: the Patriots on Sunday, I think they would have.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say yes and no. But I think
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  Speaker 5: on this game, I think the Patriots played like and
• 12:35
  Speaker 5: you know I've been sometimes I push back on you guys.
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  Speaker 5: I thought this game they did stuff that bothered the
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  Speaker 5: Bills offense. Yeah, and Josh Allen in particular.
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  Speaker 6: They have a formula against Josh Allen.
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  Speaker 5: Like I think they maybe it's the first time that
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  Speaker 5: I've ever seen him really get slowed down by the Patriots. Well,
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  Speaker 5: I think they did it in Week seven too. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I didn't. I thought that was more. I mean, they
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  Speaker 5: still scored twenty five points and it wasn't turnal related. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: but I just think that they.
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  Speaker 6: Want They won their fair share of rounds against Josh
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  Speaker 6: Allen in Week seven too.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that's all you're looking for is a few
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  Speaker 1: stops in a game against a team like that to
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  Speaker 1: give yourself a shot.
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  Speaker 6: I think they've closed the gap.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of teams can't that. A lot of teams
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  Speaker 1: can't do that.
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  Speaker 4: My wonder though, was, and I mean this maybe a
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  Speaker 4: question for discussion was.
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  Speaker 5: Through the Bills.
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  Speaker 4: Are the Bills getting stale?
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  Speaker 7: And are the Patriots they're smart, like you know where
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  Speaker 7: when they had Dable who maybe could stay one step
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  Speaker 7: ahead of the curve, are they kind of just going
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  Speaker 7: to the well too many times? It seemed like a
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  Speaker 7: lot of these plays the Patriots were understanding the concepts
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  Speaker 7: and able to drop off and make plays.
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  Speaker 6: So yeah, and that's exactly what the players said after
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  Speaker 6: the game was our assistant coaches deserve all the credit.
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  Speaker 6: We knew their plays, we knew their formations, we knew
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  Speaker 6: I want to get into that a little bit. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: and they were really well prepared. I mean Alex Austin
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  Speaker 6: saw that play on film, the to Dalton Kincaid and
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  Speaker 6: jumped the wheel route and picked it off. I mean
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  Speaker 6: those are plays that they practiced during the week that
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  Speaker 6: he was prepared for.
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  Speaker 1: I would say that, you know, I've been saying, and
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  Speaker 1: I think we all have all season long, that the
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  Speaker 1: defense has been well coached. But it's the first time
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  Speaker 1: I've heard the players call out the assistant coaches for
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  Speaker 1: the game plan. And you know, it could be just
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  Speaker 1: unique that they specifically really had the number on Josh Allen,
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  Speaker 1: or could these players be thinking the same thing everyone
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  Speaker 1: else is, like, this is the end of the line
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  Speaker 1: for a lot of people here, including these assistant coaches.
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: Let's do a shout out to them because they could
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: be looking for jobs.
• 14:28
  Speaker 5: I don't want to get that deep. Okay, it's possible.
• 14:30
  Speaker 6: I just looked at it and thought that datas felt
• 14:35
  Speaker 6: like those guys have been coaching their butts off all season.
• 14:38
  Speaker 5: That's what it even looked like on TV. Like I
• 14:40
  Speaker 5: just felt like, like I said, I've been willing to
• 14:43
  Speaker 5: say that, I thought they got kind of like like,
• 14:45
  Speaker 5: I don't think they did anything to stop Kansas City,
• 14:48
  Speaker 5: and Kansas City hasn't been able to move the ball
• 14:50
  Speaker 5: again and score points against anybody, but this game, I
• 14:53
  Speaker 5: do think that they were responsible for keeping the Bills
• 14:57
  Speaker 5: in check. Now, it has been a very sporadic offense
• 14:59
  Speaker 5: all year. It's been, and I think that Joe Brady
• 15:03
  Speaker 5: has made a big difference for them, but you didn't
• 15:06
  Speaker 5: see that on Sunday, and he's been that offense has
• 15:09
  Speaker 5: been better since they made the switch, but it wasn't
• 15:12
  Speaker 5: better on Sunday, and they benefited obviously from short fields.
• 15:15
  Speaker 5: They had four turnovers, they' scored two touchdowns two field goals.
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: Off of them.
• 15:18
  Speaker 5: That's the game. Yeah, yeah, that's the game, and you
• 15:22
  Speaker 5: know the rest of it. I kind of agree with
• 15:25
  Speaker 5: Mike with you know, we talked a lot in the postgame,
• 15:27
  Speaker 5: you know, the the competitiveness and the playing hard stuff, like, okay, whatever,
• 15:34
  Speaker 5: it's the same game that I've seen all year along.
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: The Cardinals are playing hard, everybody's playing it.
• 15:38
  Speaker 5: But it's the same game, you know, Like I don't
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: know how close the game was another Now we'll never
• 15:44
  Speaker 5: know what would have happened if they didn't turn it
• 15:45
  Speaker 5: over four times on the first whatever four possessions, five possessions, Well,
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: we won't know. But the fact of the matter is
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: that's what they do and the game was kind of over.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: That's who they are.
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: Like, when you go into the fourth quarter down two
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: scores consistently, you're not going to win. And a lot
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: of their one score losses or games that they trailed
• 16:02
  Speaker 5: by two scores in the fourth quarter, yeah, like you're
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: not going to win those games.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: But you have to admit when Rager returned that kickoff,
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, we were just laughing.
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: I was laughing.
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: I mean you well laughing.
• 16:13
  Speaker 7: I think you know the comparison of last year's finale
• 16:15
  Speaker 7: in there, I mean that was that was crazy. And
• 16:17
  Speaker 7: then of course Bailey Sappy follows that up with two
• 16:20
  Speaker 7: weeks in a row of turno.
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: From the very first play.
• 16:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I from the press box angle, you could see
• 16:26
  Speaker 6: the whole open for Jalen Rager, and I'm sitting there like, oh,
• 16:29
  Speaker 6: he's got a chance here, and then he you know,
• 16:31
  Speaker 6: ends up going yeah.
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: Did you see that like the next gen he hit
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: like twenty.
• 16:36
  Speaker 6: Months Yeah, Taylor basket, Yeah, yeah, because.
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: It was got one eye black.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: But you know, they they returned the kick, then I
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: think they go three and out right yeah, and you think, okay,
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: here we go.
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: He got stripsacked on the first Yeah, Okay, here we go. Yeah.
• 16:51
  Speaker 6: Just yeah, I stay like yeah, I just I really
• 16:53
  Speaker 6: think that this defense with a lot of people that
• 16:58
  Speaker 6: you weren't expecting to play, like Alex's a mid season acquisition,
• 17:01
  Speaker 6: like you sign him off with somebody's waiver wire.
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: I want a quick question for you. This is a
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: total aside. Do you remember me saying that he's not
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: an NFL player? Yeah, I did, no, because I don't
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: I don't remember. I don't know anything about Alex Austin.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: So you're getting killed by somebody.
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Mike Reese had like a tweet after his pick, which,
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: by the way, was a terrific play in Evan's right.
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: That wasn't just like a routine they threw the ball
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: to him. It was like Jalen Ramsey's play and build
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: compared it to that in Miami. But uh, he had
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: the thing, and then some guy tweets and says, yeah, PFW,
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: Paul says he's not an NFL player. I'm like, I
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: don't even know who Alex as like when they got him,
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: he was a seventh round pick for Buffalo. I don't.
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I don't know the draft seven rounds deep.
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: I don't pretend to, and I did not. I was
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: not familiar with Alex Austin before he became a Patriot,
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: So I don't know if I ever called him, like,
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: not an advot.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: To think that you did, because you call most of
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: the Patriots non NFL.
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: I might call him a jag or something like that,
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: but like not belonging in the NFL and a guy
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: I've never heard of, I don't know. I feel like
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: I have to see you play, like Trent Brown doesn't
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: belong in the NFL right now.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: It could have been part of a.
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: Different yeah, but I don't it doesn't sound like me anyway.
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: I've been. I've been.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: It's remarkable, what's use because you remark on it right.
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: Like, I don't know what the right word is because
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: I'm not trying to hype him up like he's you know,
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: prime Stefan Gilmour.
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: But I've been intrigued.
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: By Alex Austin. I think that he moves really well
• 18:29
  Speaker 6: on film.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Sounds like he's coachable.
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, he moves like an NFL cornerback. You know,
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: he's got speed, he's got length, he's got change of direction.
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: He just has to you know, he's got mental Erreage's
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: a rookie, he just got he has one or two
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: brain farts a game where he's not in the right
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: coverage or he's not in the right spot. And the
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: big d post to Diggs was was I think on
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: him that there was no post safety on that play.
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: But like those are things that you think with time
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: and with seasoning, like he could iron out and maybe
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: he can be a third corner.
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: That's the one Jonathan Jones was like looking immediately looked,
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: oh yeah, it looks like someone was looking for a
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: little help on that. Yeah.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Nothing, nobody calls out teammates. More like secondary play corner.
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: That's what you gotta do, right, corners, corners and white outs. Yeah,
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: It's It's like it was a post cross and Jalen
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: Mills was the post safety originally he jumped the crossing route,
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: which means Alex Austin should be replacing him on the
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: post now if it's a long way to go, like,
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: I don't know if it would have been a big
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: factor anyways, but that was I think what the rotation
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: was supposed to be. And Jonathan Jones did the did
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: the old daggers right at Alex Austin after that play.
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: Now, that was an example of a play that Josh
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: Allen being off, Yeah, because that was that was a touchdown.
• 19:39
  Speaker 7: I just didn't know why Mills jumped the cross as
• 19:41
  Speaker 7: it felt like map who had I think it.
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: Was, Yeah, had decent decent coverage there. Yeah, I don't know.
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: I also thought that Kyle Duggars, you know, the fifty
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: one yard er to Kincaid like Steve like, come back
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: to us please, Like we're calling cover zero on the
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: thirty six yard line on first and ten, Like what that? Like,
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: I get we all, well, you know Duggar has his
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: issues in coverage, like we all can see that. But
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: that was just a horrible call.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was wondering, like why he ended up where
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: he was.
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: He was in man coverage on Kincaid and there is
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: no deep help and they blitzed the house on first
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: and ten. I don't know why you do that.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Well, if it works, like oh look good.
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: You know they they have what they say.
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: They have blitzed Josh Allen more this year than they
• 20:26
  Speaker 6: did the last couple of years, and I think it's
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: mostly worked.
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: But that one played it. He beat him bad.
• 20:32
  Speaker 7: It's interesting because how much do they have to because
• 20:34
  Speaker 7: they don't have chewed on Like they have to send
• 20:35
  Speaker 7: guys because they just don't have the horses right now
• 20:37
  Speaker 7: outside of you know, bar Moore, maybe Keon White a
• 20:40
  Speaker 7: little bit, but you know, just to go back to Mapo,
• 20:43
  Speaker 7: I thought I thought he looked pretty good. I mean
• 20:44
  Speaker 7: it seemed like they specifically put him in there. I
• 20:46
  Speaker 7: didn't look at the splits from the first Bills game.
• 20:48
  Speaker 7: I know Kincaid had a bunch of production in that game,
• 20:50
  Speaker 7: but you know, other than the big catch, I thought,
• 20:52
  Speaker 7: you know, Mapu did a pretty good job on him.
• 20:54
  Speaker 7: And I think that's what I'm seeing from Maphu is
• 20:57
  Speaker 7: like just that length, Like none of those other safeties
• 21:00
  Speaker 7: I really ideally suited to cover tight ends like he is.
• 21:02
  Speaker 7: So I just I wonder if that's something that he's
• 21:05
  Speaker 7: kind of carving out as a role that they can
• 21:07
  Speaker 7: use going forward.
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he played a lot at the second level.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Of Rodney Harrison type coverage. Guy.
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he had a good coverage on that.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: I couldn't really see.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Hermont in the end zone.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: There was an incompletion. I think it was to Kincadie.
• 21:20
  Speaker 7: He kind of was just running like a like a
• 21:21
  Speaker 7: little post from inside, but I couldn't tell if it
• 21:24
  Speaker 7: was just kind of a bad throw. It's like one
• 21:26
  Speaker 7: of those ones where everything kind of happens in a
• 21:27
  Speaker 7: jumble you can't see it. But but I thought Mapu
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: looked pretty good. I know, key On White was two
• 21:31
  Speaker 7: people were. I wish I could see it.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: I just I don't know.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: So, you know, I think there's two narratives coming out
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: of this game. One, like Paul said, microcosm of the season,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: more of the same, and the other was, Wow, they're
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: playing hard to the end and it must be for billt.
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not going it's not. I'll give the defense
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: a lot of credit for what they did. And I'm
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: intrigued that the fact that I think they have closed
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: the gap against Josh Allen. I mean, in twenty twenty one,
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: the guy didn't punt right like, he just up and
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: down the field, up and down the field, and they
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: look like they were playing a different sport against Buffalo.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: But really though, and not to take anything away from
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: the defense though, but is it that they've closed the
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: gap with the Bills or the Bills offense just isn't
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: what it was.
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: I mean, it can be both. I think it can
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: be both. But either way that's good news for the Patriots.
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: Oh like, if Josh Allen is going to be this
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: player instead of the player that he was, you know,
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, when I think he was
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: really in his peak of his powers with Dable, then
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: if I'm a Patriots fan, I'd much rather him be
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: this guy like guy.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: It's almost like the same thing that's going on in
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: the AFC West, you know, except no one can really
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: play well enough. But you know, the Chiefs are having
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: a hard time with their offense.
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the difference is like I think Buffalo
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: has better supporting cast. Yeah, like I Sefon Diggs, Gabe Davis.
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: I think Shaker can play that slot role pretty well.
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: James Cooks are really good running back, Like I think
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: that they're offensive issues are that Allen has developed some
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: bad habits.
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: He's regressed in a lot of areas. Yeah, Like the
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: two fumbles for him, like this is like you go,
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: you know, it's like four turnovers. Everybody four turn well,
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: like the other side is like they got to kick
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: me turn for a touchdown, which is like a turnover,
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: you know, And then they turned it over once and
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: they had two other fumbles. And yes, they didn't lose
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: the fumbles, so they didn't lead directly to points, but
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: they were really mindless fumbles, especially the second one which
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: could have which could have put them behind in the
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: fourth quarter. Yea, you know, like he's short by a yard.
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: He's a moose. Just go for it on fourth and one.
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: They're not stopping him on fourth and one. That was
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: another play where they ran Murray on a third and
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: third and less than the yard when every quarterback sneak
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: was getting like five yards in the game, Like, why
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: would you turn around and hand it off to Latavious
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: Murray in that situation the quarterback sneaks they would get
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: in the zon they were getting like nothing. Yeah, they
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: weren't even close.
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: It just feels like all bets are off now with
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: Josh Allen, we're getting don to the coach.
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: That was insane, and you know, you know, I don't
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: want to play you aside of you know, I like
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: Josh Allen, but that was an insane stupid.
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: I get frustrated watching Josh Allen now because it's it's
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: Freddy you say this all the time. It's like talent wasted.
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: Like he needs somebody that's going to coach him and
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: is gonna rain him in but and have him play
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: under control. Right now, his eyes, his feet, everything is
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: just all over the place and you can see that
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: he's just sped up and moving at a different pace.
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: He didn't look good. He didn't look good at that
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: game at all.
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: Chill and I feel like the frustrations like taking him now,
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: and he's just like, I'm just I got to try
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: to will us to a super Bowl.
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: But I agree with Evan too. I think that they
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: have some options. I don't think they have elite talent
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: other than Diggs, but they have more options than Kansas
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: City does. Like, I think Shakira in particular, is a
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: guy you and I really liked.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Mike.
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: I think he's better than the supporting guys for Kansas City. Yeah,
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: you know, like Kadarius Tony.
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: I think Shakira would be a lot better if Allen
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: was playing more under control.
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: But right, they played by Shakida in the game. Real, Yeah, terrible.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: I want to want to go back to what you
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: said earlier. I think they're playing for not Bill.
• 25:23
  Speaker 9: I think they're playing for themselves and getting their tape
• 25:26
  Speaker 9: together because a lot of them will be free agents.
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so that's what they're saying.
• 25:30
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't think I has anything to do with
• 25:31
  Speaker 9: playing for Bill. I don't think it has anything to do
• 25:33
  Speaker 9: with that, and more so playing for themselves and their futures.
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and whether it's Bill or not. And I agree
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: with Tamara because I think a lot of players have
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: said as much. But I just feel like there can
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: be things that are true. I think the Patriots are
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: continuing to play hard. I haven't seen since early in
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: the season a lot of examples with now there were
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: individual players, and we can probably get to that in
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: the second hour of the show Brown who have decided
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: to just flat out quit, you know, So that's a
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: different thing. But the guys that are on the field,
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: and I say this all the time when you tank
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: quote everybody's tank, tank this tank. That the guys on
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: the field are playing hard, and this is an example
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: of it. Fred brought up the Cardinals who go to
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: Philly and allow a ninety nine yard pick six and
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: still find a way to win the game playing for nothing. Yeah,
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: you could certainly make the argument, just like in New England,
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: that that win hurt them. But they're playing hard because
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: what Tamara said, a lot of the guys that are
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: out there playing are playing for their career.
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: Our boy, Greg Derch, I just don't don't see why.
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: I just can't really get into that, Like, don't I
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: don't know why it matters exactly like it exactly. It
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: just doesn't matter.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Well, I think in this case, you know, it takes
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: on a little extra because of the situation. Right.
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: It's but there's it's it's all extreme, right because it's
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: either they're Brandon staliating it and they give up like
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: a hundred point and totally, which is.
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: The one game that I can point to this year
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: where I saw it, like I visibly saw the team.
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: Quit, right, or or they're doing what the Patriots are doing,
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: which is just not being a good football team and losing, right.
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: And I just don't really know, like there's that's it's
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: either so okay, great, they're not They're not giving up
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: sixty points to the Raiders and getting blown out and
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: losing games like that.
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: I had one of my friends point out, He's like, well,
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: you know, like what about the Jets against Cleveland like
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: last Thursday, And I'm like, well, the Jets did what
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: they do and they they've turned the ball over thirty
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: two times this year, which is by far the most
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: in the league, and they I don't think that they
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: weren't trying. I just think they're not good. In Cleveland
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: is good and Cleveland has been exceptionally good at defense
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: at home, like, they continued to play. They fell behind
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: twenty seven to seven. The game didn't go away after that.
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: They you know, the Jets, they got down inside the five,
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: they went for a fourth down, didn't get it. They
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: scored again later. They never really got back in the game,
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: but they kept competing in the game. And then he's like, no,
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: they just quit. I go, well, did the Patriots quit Sunday?
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: Because I saw a team that turned the ball over
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: four times in the first half, Like, is that an
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: example of minutes? Is that an example of not playing hard?
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: I don't think it was. I don't think Bailey's appy
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: quit and that's why he threw three picks. I think
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: it just happened.
• 28:21
  Speaker 7: I watched some of those bowl games this weekend, and
• 28:23
  Speaker 7: not the semi fin. To watch the semi fine, but
• 28:25
  Speaker 7: not talking about the semi final. I was watching it
• 28:26
  Speaker 7: and going football players are used to playing meaningless games,
• 28:29
  Speaker 7: like you know, it's part of like college football, like hell, like,
• 28:32
  Speaker 7: were they trying hard in the bowl game?
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: Have one of those kind of things.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the Georgia Florida State one. There are many.
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: Questions on Florida State. You know, Florida State play with
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: their scout team. Yeah, yeah, like that was really.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: Is that what Scrap told you?
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: No, No, I refused to talk to Scrap.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: I wanted to ask you, like, do you remember, like
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: about a week and a half ago we got some
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: some email or a call about USC lit it up
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: in their bowl game? Does this make you think differently
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: about Calebiams? Kind of? Well, did anybody think definitely about
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: Jaden Daniels Now is the guy that played for LSU
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: yesterday lit it up through for like almost like three
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: hundred and ninety yards and four touchdowns. Oh, by the way,
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: commonality here LSU has like really good players that were
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: catching passes for them, So like, yeah, I mean there's
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: a lot of talent in some of those schools, now
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: Florida State. It's a situation. It's a little different because
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: they're on the way back and then like they're basically
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: they're too deep, didn't play. They had like twenty four
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: healthy opt outs not counting like the quarterback who's hurt.
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: Like that was like they still arguably arguably playing the
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: number one team in then the best team in the country.
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: Who's pissed with all your backups? They just like it
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: was like a you know early in the year when
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: you see some of the big time teams play like
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: a one double a opponent and they can just hand
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: the ball off every player of the second. You know,
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: you could just like hand the all off every play
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: and you can't stop him. That's what Jeorjia did to
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: Florida State. It was embarrassing. It was like a high
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: school mismatch. Yeah, it was terrible, sixty three to three,
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: and it could have been worse. Oh, they, like I said,
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: they handed the ball off almost every play.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:13
  Speaker 7: I watched the Alabama Michigan game though, that was Did
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: you watch that every minute of it?
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: It was I'd be interested to get like maybe a
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: third hour to get your thoughts on that.
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: We do you have to know, thanks on JJ McCarthy,
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: But no.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: It was neither one of those quarterbacks.
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: I'm a little disappointed because I feel like you watched
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: the word like the game that did that mattered less.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: I know, well, I mean I'm not going to rule
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: out yet, but now I I it was.
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: I mean, you can rule JJ McCarthy.
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: The atmosphere, I think, oh yeah, the atmosphere.
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: I don't want to I don't want to get it
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: thrown back in my face. I don't think they need to.
• 30:47
  Speaker 9: Move the time of those games because for the grandma's
• 30:49
  Speaker 9: like me, that second game starting as late as it did,
• 30:52
  Speaker 9: I'm not watching that.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: I watched the highlights the next day.
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: I watched it. I watched it. I watched every minute
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: of it. I watched the first half. Penix is excellent.
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: He's an excellent college quarterback. I mean he was really
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: really could last.
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: That first throw that he made that was like whoa.
• 31:07
  Speaker 9: From the highlights that I saw on Twitter, it just
• 31:09
  Speaker 9: looked like a video game, like it didn't look real
• 31:11
  Speaker 9: watching my.
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: Kind of guy throws it downfield too. Of this J
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: McCarthy like play Actors is gonna dump it in the
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: flat time.
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: I mean, just talking about talent goodness.
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: So it's left arm. It's unfortunate.
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: It is unfortunate. Watch it. Watch it.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: I take offense with that.
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: Wat watch it flipped.
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know it looks perfect, right.
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: Because everybody at me that Michael Pennix has bad mechanics.
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: This funny. He's just lefty. Like, if you watch it,
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: lefties look smooth.
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: If you watch it from a right the only one
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: hitting the righty perspective. It's fine. Now he does have
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: like kind of that Philip Rivers type release where it's
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: like a little bit lower than like the Brady over
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: the top release, but it's it's not like a broken
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: mechanically throwing motion.
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: He was so good last night. But how did they
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: almost blow that game? That was amazing?
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: The injury, the injury to h to the running back,
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: stop the clock and.
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: You know how you can avoid that, Take a knee
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: and let the clock run, just saying cost him.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: All right, So we've set the table. There anything else
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: that we need to.
• 32:21
  Speaker 7: Bring up or no, some I mean some still some
• 32:24
  Speaker 7: fallout from Trent Brown kind of dragging into the you
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: know that stuff, but you.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Know, yeah, I mean Bill, I mean, he never would,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: but he certainly didn't pooh pooh the idea that you know,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: he was in hot water and that's why he didn't travel.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I mean I saw.
• 32:41
  Speaker 7: I mean, I don't know the exact numbers of how
• 32:43
  Speaker 7: much he lost out on that, but I mean, I
• 32:46
  Speaker 7: I'd be surprised.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: If he finishes the season here. I don't know.
• 32:49
  Speaker 7: I mean, does it make sense just to not dress
• 32:51
  Speaker 7: him for the last one? Or do you cut him
• 32:52
  Speaker 7: this week?
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: I'll give credit to Vadian Low, like I would much
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: rather see Vaderian Low for whatever reason.
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: I don't know why. Like it's not like Darian Low.
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: It's a big part.
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: But he's been much better at left tackle than right tackle,
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: much better. Like I think that that's his natural position,
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: that's where he played in college. And uh, he he
• 33:11
  Speaker 6: allowed two hurries in this game. Uh, and it really
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: wasn't It wasn't a huge issue.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: In the middle though, Huh. I saw some of the
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: way we could get to that. Yeah, I mean, and
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: all of them and all of them in the middle.
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: I hate to David Andrews is an all time, all
• 33:27
  Speaker 6: time great patriot to me, red jacket guy. I do
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: wonder if he's starting to slow down a little bit.
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: A long season he's been in Iron Man. He's played
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: like almost every offensive snap for them this year, and
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: it just I would say three out of the last
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: four games have been iffy and.
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: This was his worst game of the year.
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: Does he retire? That's what we were kind of talking about.
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: I just what more does he have to prove? I
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: don't know.
• 33:48
  Speaker 7: I mean, he's a banged up guy. He's played in
• 33:50
  Speaker 7: the trenches for a long time. He's got multiple super
• 33:52
  Speaker 7: Bowl thought.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: It well, you know, initially, if Bill's gone, like he
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: has to look at.
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: That stage, I really want to reset.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, reset with a new coach, perhaps a new system,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: you know, go.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: To find a lot of energy to go through that transition.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Exactly, you know. Yeah, although I mean, like if he
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: wanted to, he's not a free agent, is he. I
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: was gonna say, if he wanted a backup job somewhere,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: he could still be, you know, collecting a check elsewhere
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: in the NFL if he.
• 34:21
  Speaker 9: Wanted to, I was going to say, on the flip
• 34:22
  Speaker 9: side though, to be a part of something fresh with
• 34:24
  Speaker 9: a new quarterback and hopefully get a lot of help
• 34:27
  Speaker 9: on the roster.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: He could want to see what happens.
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So I just don't think he's a backup.
• 34:32
  Speaker 6: No, No, I just think it's tough because when you
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: watch it, like how much is he making.
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: Up for the rookie guards? Right?
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: Like City Show is on one side of him, Mafi's
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: on the other side.
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: I thought the early sack was responsible for that. Yeah,
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: he's like they had a stunt inside. It looked like
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: he was trying to do too much?
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and he's I would agree that that is part
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: of it. And how much of the communication inside Like
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: they're just getting destroyed by twists up front, Like they
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: can't pick up a stunt to say, there.
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: Had some big guys in on sacks and that game
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: like that you don't expect to be really Yeah, I
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: just their.
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: Picks and stunts up front, like they can't pick any
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: of it up, and like how much of that is
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: just a lack of communication and a lack of awareness
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: by the younger guys, and David Andrews is just getting
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: left out to dry, you know.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: By the communication has been a big issue. Tamara brought
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: up the idea of a new quarterback, So we should
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: at least update people on the current draft status for
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: the Patriots as a result of the Cardinals winning. Right now,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: I think they sit in the third spot. There's a
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: chance they could get back to the two spot.
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: Correct.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Somebody from nets and Dakota Remington cold forty five, what's
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: his name?
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: Coda Randall?
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Coda Randall.
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: I got some project.
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: I had all the permutations. Yeah, I was talking to
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: him about it in the press box on sea.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: He did a thing, which I appreciate somebody doing that
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: kind of work about all the different ways the Patriots
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: could move up or down, and a lot has to happen,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: you know, either way to get the two or get
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: down to I think the worst they could be a six, right.
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: I had heard seven, but I don't know.
• 36:06
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but it's so weird with the strength of schedule stuff,
• 36:09
  Speaker 7: because I think, like the Atlanta game has like a
• 36:11
  Speaker 7: significant impact on this. The schedule stuff, like there's it's
• 36:15
  Speaker 7: just it's so hard to figure out every game is
• 36:17
  Speaker 7: going to impact it a little bit.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: But if they stay at three, I mean they're in
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: the running for at least Drake May, I would think, right,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: because now there's a big movement in Chicago to keep Fields. Now,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know what that means to the front office,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: but like fans are like clamoring to keep them.
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: Oh, I think there's a possibility of that. But I
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: would say that they're going to trade if that, Oh.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they could trade with the Patriots.
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: Well yeah, but then then you lose resources that you
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: don't have.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: But if you love Drake May or if you love
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Caleb Williams and you can do it that way, then
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: you probably need to do that, right, Yeah, they're not
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: going to be in next year's draft, they're in this
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: year's draft.
• 36:57
  Speaker 10: No.
• 36:58
  Speaker 7: I mean Washington's going to need a quarterback too, So
• 37:00
  Speaker 7: I mean if they get to two.
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: And the other part of that is to go back
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: to the way you started the show with how big
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: this game is. Yeah, I feel it. Wales feels like
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: they're gonna win it.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: I think they are going to win it.
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: And you know that drops you down probably five anyway,
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: you know, to someone someone's going to win.
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: It's what I hate about it.
• 37:20
  Speaker 7: It's like you could lose the game to the Jets
• 37:23
  Speaker 7: and get the quarterback and then dominate the Jets for
• 37:25
  Speaker 7: you know, in theory if it all work perfectly.
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: Like it's just such a weird conundrum.
• 37:29
  Speaker 7: I wish it was not like this where you want
• 37:32
  Speaker 7: to lose so that therefore we can continue to beat
• 37:34
  Speaker 7: the Jets with someone new.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Like what was the game against Miami where I think
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: with Castle threw the ball in the stands.
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but that was the two point conversion to set
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: up a playoff matchup with Jackson.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Right, So they there been an example of Pittsburgh, But
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: I can't see the Patriots losing this game, so I can't.
• 37:53
  Speaker 9: But what happens if the Cardinals they played the Seahawks.
• 37:56
  Speaker 9: So if the Cardinals beat the Seahawks and the Patriots
• 37:58
  Speaker 9: beat the Jets.
• 38:00
  Speaker 7: But then there's also washing open your stats book and
• 38:04
  Speaker 7: it's it's it'll may give you an ice cream headache
• 38:07
  Speaker 7: trying to think about it.
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: That's why I like, I don't know, let's just let's
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: let's talk after the.
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: Assuming the Giants lose, the Giant strength of schedule is
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: very close to the Patriots. So if the Patriots end
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: up winning.
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: Another team probably in the market.
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: So if they start, you know what they want, A
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: big contract.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: They gave that nobody could. Oh sorry, I said, if
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: they start Mac, then we know what they're doing.
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: They start Nathan Ryk.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: They already said, they already said that that be starting.
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: So let me ask you who said that.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: Bill O'Brien, o'briandon this morning.
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: So now we're just announced quarterback.
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: He's been doing that. He's been doing that.
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: I've seen him say a lot of those decisions aren't mine.
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: Earlier it was a coin toss.
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah, when it was Mac and yeah, since since Zappi
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: has been interesting He also said it after the Dallas
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: game or the New Orleans game, one of those games,
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: that it's going to be it's gonna be Mac like
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: he's given us a bone everyone in a while.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I can't see any reason not oh no,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Zappy this week?
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: Did you think it any chance of a change on
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: Sunday because a lot of people, a lot of people
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: were clamoring for Yeah, I was not.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: One of it.
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: I was not one of those clamoring.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Somebody's sitting next to me, Oh they should.
• 39:20
  Speaker 6: Bring in Mack and like no, no.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: But then there was a play I forget what it was,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: and I said, yeah, maybe I.
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: Have to say when the third interception happened. Now we're
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: on TV, so like we don't get the all twenty two.
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: You know, when I saw when I saw the when
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: I saw the interception, I was like thinking to myself,
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: you got to get him out. And then they immediately
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: showed the replay and it was clear it wasn't him.
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: It was clear that there was a miscommunication on the play.
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: And I was like, Okay, I think.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: That's the one where I said, yeah, maybe you bring
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: it that.
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: That was the one that I didn't put on ZAPPI
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: like that was definitely a Jalen Raker sided just issue.
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: But I would say that the first two, like the fact,
• 39:58
  Speaker 6: you know, we can get into the PBF thing if
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: you want, the fact that none of them are his fault.
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: I don't. Honestly, I don't care enough to get into it.
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: I just thought I just thought it was funny that
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: the guy had had three interceptions and none of them
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: were deemed turnover worthy plays.
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: The first one, he's a beat late to it, Like
• 40:16
  Speaker 6: you can't throw a quick game, and you can't double
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: hitch on a quick game, like if you're gonna if
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: you're gonna throw a curl flat quick game, that ball's
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: gotta be out before GICKI turns around, like you can't.
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: Just like the same kind of thing, like if you
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: have like a screen, you know how like a lot
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: of times you have a misdirection screen and you turn
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: without looking and just throw it. So those are not
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: turnover worthy plays if they get picked on.
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: No, So the reason why the first one wasn't a
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: turnover worthy play is because at Oliver made a ridiculous
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: diving interception.
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: But when you throw the ball on a slant and
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: the other guy hits it first. That's a turnover worthy play.
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: Douglas could have caught that one too.
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah, which one the.
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: First one Douglas got inside? I think it was Parker right,
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: Parker inside, Douglas got inside. The snoffs on both of that.
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: That was in my mind. Like the first one is late,
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: like and he said it after the game. The first
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: one is late.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: The guy was just sitting there waiting.
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 41:10
  Speaker 6: The second one is he read the wrong side of
• 41:12
  Speaker 6: the field first of all. Second of all is it's
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: an absolute telegraph telegraph pass and he's just staring down
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: the slant waiting for DeVante Parker to make it cut.
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: It's like, what do you think Rasul Douglas is gonna do?
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: He jumps it. I thought both of those plays, look,
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: we can all it was a terrible route by DeVante Parker.
• 41:31
  Speaker 6: It was you know GASICKI could he have tried to
• 41:33
  Speaker 6: box out Rissell Douglas a little bit more. It was
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: a bad luck that it got tipped up in the
• 41:38
  Speaker 6: air and it Oliver picked it off shore. Fine, but
• 41:40
  Speaker 6: like you have to at least give some of the
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: blampie to the corner.
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: First one, the one that was the one that he
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: was underneath them, Like, you can't throw a slant if
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: the guy's got that position.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Gasicki had a step, but the other guy was just waiting,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: you know when they open there.
• 41:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean there's so there's a there's a nickel
• 41:59
  Speaker 6: that that he's reading right the cornerback and when the
• 42:02
  Speaker 6: corner goes with farrow Brown into the flat, that triggers
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: for him to throw the curl and he just takes
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: an extra beat in the pocket to make the decision
• 42:10
  Speaker 6: and the ball is late and that's how you get
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: the tip.
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: I would also say the quick out that he threw
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: through Ajpanessa was probably a turnover worthy play. I'm just
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: saying because that one he was looking at, he was
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: looking where he was throwing, and he literally threw it
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: through number fifty seven for the Bills.
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, this was this game worried me for Zapi because
• 42:28
  Speaker 6: the Bills play a lot of zone coverage. They play
• 42:30
  Speaker 6: their a soft zone team, and they have a decent
• 42:32
  Speaker 6: pass rush, and Mac beat them in Week seven with
• 42:36
  Speaker 6: a quick release, short passes, get the ball out, get
• 42:39
  Speaker 6: it into space, all that sort of stuff, and that's
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: just not Zapi's game. And they had to dial up
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: deeper passing concepts in this game to cater to Zapi,
• 42:49
  Speaker 6: and he was under fifty eight percent pressure rate in
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: this game. And I don't think it was all because
• 42:53
  Speaker 6: the offensive line was bad. I think some of it
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: was him holding the ball and waiting for things to develop.
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: When you have an over three second average time to
• 43:00
  Speaker 6: throw and you are throwing a lot of screens in
• 43:03
  Speaker 6: a lot of quick game and it's still inflated to
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: three point three seconds, that tells you that the quarterback's
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: holding the ball.
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  Speaker 5: for de two.
• 44:12
  Speaker 13: Final road game of the twenty twenty three season for
• 44:15
  Speaker 13: the Matriots on the final day of twenty twenty three,
• 44:19
  Speaker 13: Jalen Laker two are right on mcgell line to return.
• 44:22
  Speaker 13: They opening kick a sales and over end in his direction.
• 44:25
  Speaker 13: He'll feel from the left hash too straight ahead to
• 44:27
  Speaker 13: the ten to the fifteen to the twin birth of
• 44:29
  Speaker 13: Crod the thirty and.
• 44:30
  Speaker 11: He went to mass bits away to McField.
• 44:32
  Speaker 14: He's gone to the forty to the thirty left side,
• 44:34
  Speaker 14: twenty ten touchdown Patriots.
• 44:38
  Speaker 11: They turned the table probably where at the road when
• 44:42
  Speaker 11: ninety US credit opening.
• 44:44
  Speaker 14: Kickoff back from Buffalo Sex nothing new England.
• 44:48
  Speaker 11: Holy crap.
• 44:49
  Speaker 14: He played at the back foot at the one and
• 44:52
  Speaker 14: you saw this lane over the left side.
• 44:54
  Speaker 11: Top of the numbers creases it and he broke one tackles.
• 44:57
  Speaker 14: Then it was one on one with the kicker and
• 44:59
  Speaker 14: it's a bit move out and there ain't no flags.
• 45:03
  Speaker 13: It's gonna be a diving interception on the carrows peck
• 45:06
  Speaker 13: dock all. It takes the snap, lowers the shoulders with
• 45:09
  Speaker 13: knife in the left side to leave the Buffalo touch down.
• 45:12
  Speaker 11: Josh Allen grows.
• 45:14
  Speaker 13: Hena Douglas has another rising running across the thirty ankles
• 45:19
  Speaker 13: inside twenty five twenty fifteen to ten.
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: He's gonna be hit.
• 45:22
  Speaker 11: By Parker outside and.
• 45:24
  Speaker 14: Go line putting tumbles oom and my pick sacks ont
• 45:27
  Speaker 14: touch down Buffalo.
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to turnover by knowing good what.
• 45:31
  Speaker 11: Is he looking at?
• 45:33
  Speaker 14: I mean that jokes get loose because this kid ain't
• 45:36
  Speaker 14: see it today. And to be faird what do you
• 45:39
  Speaker 14: call for the other guy? He's gonna start calling for
• 45:42
  Speaker 14: the other guy here. That's another awful, awful throw.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: To the left side. Nobody's there.
• 45:47
  Speaker 11: Three determined chunk it duck.
• 45:49
  Speaker 13: Get Sickney short motion from the left and baked to him.
• 45:52
  Speaker 13: With Zapy back in the pocket, he's gonna run it
• 45:54
  Speaker 13: to the left. He's got room to the tan, he's got.
• 45:56
  Speaker 11: Room to the foe. Get a clear lay to the
• 45:58
  Speaker 11: end zone. Touch down, hatreds. I want to tell two
• 46:04
  Speaker 11: quarters here, man.
• 46:04
  Speaker 14: I mean, if the offense doesn't have a chance, and
• 46:08
  Speaker 14: then they have a drive like this, you overcome a
• 46:10
  Speaker 14: potential fumble, then you have to drop and then you
• 46:13
  Speaker 14: got the big screen pass and then you fall asleep
• 46:15
  Speaker 14: from the backside defensively for seventeen yard scamper for your
• 46:19
  Speaker 14: quarterback's proven. He's got a bounce back from those three
• 46:22
  Speaker 14: early pigs.
• 46:23
  Speaker 11: I want to run by him. He knew Man was there.
• 46:26
  Speaker 11: He red Man well, and he got up through that
• 46:28
  Speaker 11: left side.
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: Now you get a chance.
• 46:31
  Speaker 13: The receiver's left with Allan in the boot leg, gave
• 46:33
  Speaker 13: him the pocket.
• 46:34
  Speaker 15: Off the play Bowl and he had to throw a
• 46:35
  Speaker 15: keapball down when upside friaking.
• 46:36
  Speaker 11: Got it, except that the lapsus and rons over and.
• 46:39
  Speaker 13: Makes the big plans inside the boundary and he tumbles
• 46:42
  Speaker 13: out of bounds with an interception against his original NFL
• 46:47
  Speaker 13: team at the Buffalo twelve.
• 46:49
  Speaker 11: Can you have two quarterbacks played worson of first time?
• 46:52
  Speaker 11: Can what did an awful telegraphs.
• 46:54
  Speaker 16: Throw that was horrible?
• 46:57
  Speaker 13: The snap of the spot, swinging with a leg, the
• 46:59
  Speaker 13: kick lifted to the uprights. That game is booking the gold.
• 47:03
  Speaker 11: Snugger roller coaster for that kid.
• 47:09
  Speaker 10: Boy.
• 47:10
  Speaker 14: They'll bump with the confidence from a week ago in
• 47:13
  Speaker 14: Denver hit the game winner.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: And the problems.
• 47:15
  Speaker 11: You give Buffalo the ball back at thirty six.
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: He takes the staff, he gets the shot from Bowie.
• 47:20
  Speaker 11: He's into the end zone.
• 47:21
  Speaker 13: How a second time today Josh Allen touched down Buffalo.
• 47:26
  Speaker 14: It was easier to drive as you could draw up
• 47:28
  Speaker 14: thanks to the big play to bring the order back
• 47:29
  Speaker 14: in the game, winning wide open down middle the Floyd.
• 47:33
  Speaker 11: He just considered it seen as just calm found the rock.
• 47:36
  Speaker 11: After that, now you're dropping right.
• 47:40
  Speaker 13: Dona snabs you, Mary holds Ryley kicks and it clears
• 47:42
  Speaker 13: the line. That kick is sailing to the uprights. That
• 47:45
  Speaker 13: game about a technic lay man. They called the lay
• 47:49
  Speaker 13: game Stelas stopping in the lay the proceedings far to
• 47:54
  Speaker 13: the staff.
• 47:55
  Speaker 11: It's the play a game of I told you the last.
• 48:00
  Speaker 13: The team out and now the Patriots will keep burying
• 48:03
  Speaker 13: her out there.
• 48:04
  Speaker 14: Let's say he's Ryland to Bell because he chucked that
• 48:06
  Speaker 14: one too. We won't see him postgame.
• 48:09
  Speaker 13: The Patriots have a first. Who's going to go inside
• 48:11
  Speaker 13: the seven right? Ash Zapiana Center's lake.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Give it to Elliot coming right here right, stays at
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: his feet, carry hit.
• 48:20
  Speaker 11: You the touchdown dress man.
• 48:25
  Speaker 14: If we're in this game, that's crazy because you've got
• 48:29
  Speaker 14: so many people out. I mean, it's a lot of
• 48:31
  Speaker 14: backups in there, thirteen guys and the effort by Zake
• 48:34
  Speaker 14: Kelliott as I said, he's got a lot left in
• 48:36
  Speaker 14: his tank.
• 48:37
  Speaker 11: These guys had a good year playing his role.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: That's a have an Allen up to.
• 48:42
  Speaker 11: He's bringing a different guy in exchange and all that. Yeah,
• 48:45
  Speaker 11: I will mean you're not up, not up twenty one.
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: I was six.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: He's one back step man.
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: He's been on the sideline.
• 48:51
  Speaker 11: He's cold he's killing kidding.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: I would look in the center.
• 48:54
  Speaker 13: He's got your tier behind him as the same dude
• 48:56
  Speaker 13: story strives to be left knee on a final play
• 49:00
  Speaker 13: in the final game.
• 49:01
  Speaker 17: In twenty twenty three, is.
• 49:03
  Speaker 13: The Patriots and the Bills part their separate ways, two
• 49:07
  Speaker 13: teams headed in vastly different directions. Buffalo will be ten
• 49:11
  Speaker 13: and six, Patriots have dropped to.
• 49:13
  Speaker 10: Four and twelve.
• 49:15
  Speaker 13: They guaranteed a last place finish for the first time
• 49:19
  Speaker 13: since two thousand as they drop it in Buffalo in
• 49:23
  Speaker 13: their road finale by a twenty seven twenty.
• 49:26
  Speaker 14: One final bottom line makes some plays in this game,
• 49:28
  Speaker 14: Yeah you did. Your defense played its teleoff.
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: The game.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: Can't commit four turnovers.
• 49:32
  Speaker 14: In the first half, expect to beat anybody special district
• 49:34
  Speaker 14: their face.
• 49:36
  Speaker 11: I felt like this game was over into the first
• 49:38
  Speaker 11: happy bounce back. But one thing.
• 49:41
  Speaker 14: We talk about why these players, because of the lack
• 49:43
  Speaker 14: of ball security of his football team, they can't go
• 49:46
  Speaker 14: back to turn.
• 49:47
  Speaker 11: Over like that keeps you out of this league.
• 49:50
  Speaker 13: At play that position, different quarterbacks, higher scoring game, but
• 49:54
  Speaker 13: a microcosm of so many games this season. The defense
• 49:58
  Speaker 13: trying to do its part, and for the most part,
• 50:00
  Speaker 13: doing it to keep doing the game of the offensively
• 50:02
  Speaker 13: with too many.
• 50:03
  Speaker 11: Turnover or to hear your buddy.
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: Last road happy in.
• 50:06
  Speaker 13: Your ear last game coming up next week, but again
• 50:09
  Speaker 13: as the Patriots of the Bills wrap up the calendar
• 50:11
  Speaker 13: year of twenty twenty three. It's Buffalo twenty seven, Emma
• 50:15
  Speaker 13: Pats twenty one.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: Milk all right back here in Patriots nfiltered eight five
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: to five pass five hundred. It's the A stick and
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: Hutline web radio at Patriots dot com as the email address.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: You know, Zoe, I know the Patriots are playing tough
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: and hard to the finish, but Zoe sure isn't. I'm
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: looking at him fifth quarter. They he's got the mike
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: with no mike flag. He's got his fofy jacket that
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: he doesn't even take off.
• 50:43
  Speaker 13: You know.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, you know Roachie has got his nice you know
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: suit on. You know whoa yeah, Fred, Yeah, I mean,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: come on, Zoe, I was you know.
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: Made me laugh on the third pick that was clearly
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: on Rager and not on Zappi. When he's watched it live,
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: he's like, you gotta get him out. You gotta be fair.
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: We said to make the move when the other kid
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: was in gotta make a and never mentioned anything about
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: the possibility that I was like a you know, a miscommunication.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: Another funny ninety eight point five story. So we're getting
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: to Buffalo, and we land in Buffalo and it was
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: a hard landing, and Mark Cappella, who is the producer
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: of the broadcast, is one row behind me diagonally and
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: his glasses go flying. His coffee and his phone, you know, goes.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: So we land and he's looking, finds the glasses, can't
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: find his phone. So, like the whole plane is like looking, looking, looking,
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: can't find it. The buses leave, He's still on the
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: plane looking with the flight attendants and the crew. They
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: can't find it. And it turns out his phone fell
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: in the backpack of the person sitting next to him,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: and the person in the with the backpack took it
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: and left, and they didn't find it till later. Yeah,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: who was the person?
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: Was it?
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: Somebody? Somebody from ninety point five?
• 52:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's unbelievable.
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure he had a lot of people to
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: tell the story about it like that, but they couldn't
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: find it anywhere.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: But you know, he was getting it all weekend, right.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: Do you know where your phone is you get your phone?
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: So what was up with the hard landing?
• 52:20
  Speaker 5: Though? Oh yeah, he's Buffalo.
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: He just came down.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: We came down and you know like sometimes he goes
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: left to right, you know cross, So to uh.
• 52:28
  Speaker 6: Full context here, I was told by Tony Flanna again,
• 52:32
  Speaker 6: the Great Tony Flann again that if you're military trained,
• 52:35
  Speaker 6: defy planes that because because they land on aircraft carriers,
• 52:40
  Speaker 6: they land immediately. There's no you know, coast into the landing.
• 52:44
  Speaker 6: And so he thinks that our our pilot, baby boy, isn't.
• 52:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah I was trained by top Gun.
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, which I don't.
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: We're also doing to Buffalo on the way home a
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: barrel roll.
• 52:56
  Speaker 6: You know, Well, if he's trained by top gun, then
• 52:58
  Speaker 6: it's good in my book.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like, if we get into
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: a you know, into trouble up in the air where
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: we're in good shape, or if we want or if we.
• 53:07
  Speaker 6: Want to play like beach volleyball or something, will be great.
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: Right play with the boys.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: But it was it was pretty funny. We just couldn't
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: find his phone. It's like it went into the vortex.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: We just couldn't find it. So whose series going on?
• 53:22
  Speaker 5: It's not mine.
• 53:23
  Speaker 6: It wasn't mine. I just looked.
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: I don't know any weird.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: Uh So I just want to read this email. This
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: is Steve in Arizona. As far as Penix goes. While
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: I recognize the talent, he's had four seasons then with
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: injuries and a chrome chromo clavicular joint separation, left throwing shoulder,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: twenty a right stern clavicular a cl injuries both eighteen
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: and twenty plus. He'll be twenty four in May. To me,
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: he'll be he'd be a risk as a backup, never
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: mind as QB one, and certainly not a first round pick.
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: Oh, the last part might be true. Okay, So come on.
• 54:03
  Speaker 6: The one thing, the one thing about all of this
• 54:07
  Speaker 6: that's gonna piss me off the most. I'm going to
• 54:09
  Speaker 6: tell you this right now. Okay, if you want to
• 54:11
  Speaker 6: bring up his injury history, that's the book. Okay, Like
• 54:15
  Speaker 6: he's an injured player. Like he's been injured multiple times.
• 54:19
  Speaker 6: That's why he's not being talked about. Is the number
• 54:21
  Speaker 6: one pick in the draft? Let alone, you know, a
• 54:23
  Speaker 6: second round pick?
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 54:24
  Speaker 5: Well, no, no, no, I'm not done, not done.
• 54:27
  Speaker 6: Hey, Hey, the fact that he is twenty four years
• 54:30
  Speaker 6: old is because he got hurt earlier on in his
• 54:33
  Speaker 6: career and this whole like breakout age thing like this
• 54:37
  Speaker 6: is I'm gonna argue with my fellow nerds on this one.
• 54:40
  Speaker 6: Breakout age is the most ridiculous draft stat I've ever
• 54:43
  Speaker 6: heard in my life, like breakout age because the kid
• 54:46
  Speaker 6: I've never even heard of it.
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: So everybody.
• 54:48
  Speaker 6: The reason, the reason why it matters that he's twenty
• 54:50
  Speaker 6: four is because people are saying that he's not a
• 54:53
  Speaker 6: truly blue chip elite talent because it took him five
• 54:56
  Speaker 6: years in college to start to play like this.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: Oh no, I think it's it's the reason why they
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: don't like the fact that he's twenty four is that
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: he's closer to the end of his career.
• 55:06
  Speaker 6: No, that's not why I'm telling you that. The reason
• 55:09
  Speaker 6: why the nerds bring up his age is because, like
• 55:12
  Speaker 6: a guy like, just to use an example, somebody like
• 55:15
  Speaker 6: Jamar Chase who broke out at nineteen and is just
• 55:18
  Speaker 6: out of the gate at blue chip, incredible NFL prospect,
• 55:22
  Speaker 6: he has a much higher ceiling to people than somebody
• 55:26
  Speaker 6: like Pennix because Pennix is older and is considered a
• 55:29
  Speaker 6: finished product. Right, like he's matured and this is what
• 55:33
  Speaker 6: he's going to be. This is him maxed out.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: No, But to your point, if he's missed a lot
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: of time with injury, he never had a chance.
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: Correct, Right.
• 55:39
  Speaker 6: So that's why the context of every individual player in
• 55:42
  Speaker 6: his age matters. Kyle Dugger was an older prospect because
• 55:47
  Speaker 6: it took him a while to mature into an NFL prospect.
• 55:50
  Speaker 6: Michael Penix had a bunch of injuries where he had
• 55:53
  Speaker 6: Indiana in the top ten of the AP pole in
• 55:56
  Speaker 6: twenty twenty and would have been a big time NFL
• 56:00
  Speaker 6: prospect two years ago, three years ago if it wasn't
• 56:04
  Speaker 6: for the fact that he had all these injuries. So
• 56:06
  Speaker 6: the whole story with him is about injuries.
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: I think that's one of those case by case bases
• 56:11
  Speaker 5: kind of right, you know, because I would full disclosure.
• 56:15
  Speaker 5: I fall into that all the time. You know, there's
• 56:18
  Speaker 5: a reason why when the guys declare early for the draft,
• 56:21
  Speaker 5: those are the guys that all generally go quick because
• 56:23
  Speaker 5: more time, well they're better. It's not like it's not
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: just about it, because no one would argue if you
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: draft Michael Penix and he's twenty four and you get
• 56:32
  Speaker 5: a good fifteen years out of them. What's wrong with that?
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: Nothing?
• 56:35
  Speaker 5: I mean is that out of the realm of possibility
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: to go from twenty four to thirty nine for an
• 56:39
  Speaker 5: NFL career. That's the quarterback.
• 56:40
  Speaker 6: That's the other thing is his position. Like if he
• 56:43
  Speaker 6: was a receiver, if he was a corner or something
• 56:45
  Speaker 6: like that, and he was an advanced age player, I
• 56:48
  Speaker 6: would say, Okay, that deck gives me pause. But if
• 56:51
  Speaker 6: you're hoping that he's going to be your quarterback for
• 56:52
  Speaker 6: the next decade, he's still only thirty four.
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: Years old, right, So why that? Like case by case
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: right now? I do in general, I do kind of
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: look at the early entries as being more talented.
• 57:05
  Speaker 6: Christian Gonzales, but early entry.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: But I would, I would, you know, be cautious and
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: I'd want my doctors to look at him because is
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: there something structural with him.
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: That That's what I would have question prone to tras
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: a c L again because he's done it.
• 57:21
  Speaker 6: Twice, right, That's the whole conversation. Yeah, is his injuries,
• 57:24
  Speaker 6: and there's a really good chance that he falls out
• 57:26
  Speaker 6: of the first round because of that. But in terms
• 57:28
  Speaker 6: of his what he's put on the field, basically going
• 57:32
  Speaker 6: all the way back to Indiana. He's been a hell
• 57:34
  Speaker 6: of a quarterback.
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: And I remember watching him in Indiana and Indiana Stakes
• 57:38
  Speaker 5: every single Oh yeah, they were really good.
• 57:41
  Speaker 17: Yeah.
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: When he played, they had a receiver that I really
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: liked too, And I can't remember his name. I think
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: he was number eight, no number I forget all right.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: Marvin writes in from uh I believe he's in Uh. Yes,
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: he's in North Carolina. Uh Fred. I want to hear
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: Paul's take on the rest call at the end of
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: the Detroit Dallas game.
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: I think everybody's already heard all of the takes, you know.
• 58:05
  Speaker 5: I think everybody's already hasn't heard your take, so I
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: don't really have one that's any different. That's my only point.
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: It's like, I mean, based on what I saw, it
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: looked to me like Brad Allen was talking to Sewell
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: and Decker and then saw Skipper coming in and didn't
• 58:23
  Speaker 5: even wait for him to get there. He just went
• 58:25
  Speaker 5: and said seventies because he's been reporting all games, right,
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: So that's what I think happened, But no one knows
• 58:33
  Speaker 5: because you can't hear it, and you have to rely
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: on what people are saying the Lions say that Decker
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: reported and Skipper didn't. Alan's saying that Skipper reported and
• 58:43
  Speaker 5: Decker didn't. Here's a way to sort of avoid this stuff.
• 58:49
  Speaker 5: The referee has a mic, right, why shouldn't it just
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: be open all the time, you know, not open to
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: the public.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: But just transparency.
• 58:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, a little transparency that way we know who's lyon.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: God, you know that that would be something, but you know,
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: God forbid they you know.
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: And again not open, so like the whole game, like
• 59:08
  Speaker 5: you know how sometimes the reference and everybody laughs, you know,
• 59:12
  Speaker 5: not that open, not like that, but.
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: Like kind of like a body cam on.
• 59:16
  Speaker 5: Yes, you can hear and then you can go back.
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: It's like when you have a player miked up.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: For those like sometimes we're in the press box and
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: the Michael forget to turn off these forget to turn
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: off his mic and nothing gets a press box howling, Oh,
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: than to hear Mike forget about you know, it's like, oh,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: no matter what he says, ah, you know, they.
• 59:36
  Speaker 6: Just when people bring up Michael Pennix's age, that's it.
• 59:38
  Speaker 6: That's the only other thing.
• 59:39
  Speaker 5: So like the Brad Allen thing, you know, he's been
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: involved in some of these games now, and at some
• 59:46
  Speaker 5: point there has to be repercussions. I was I think
• 59:48
  Speaker 5: they got I pissed the Yeah, the Lions. I think
• 59:52
  Speaker 5: the Lions got screwed. But I also think the Lions
• 59:54
  Speaker 5: contributed to it by trying to intentionally be yes, uh no, vague.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 5: I think they try to pull a Patriot because I
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 5: never saw the metal.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: I never saw sixty eight go like, you know, like this.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 6: Apparently nobody signaled on the shirt that it was all verbal, right.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 6: My other favorite part about the road is that, like
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 6: when there's a Saturday night game, the Sunday morning, before
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 6: the buses leave, we talked about this and it's like
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 6: everybody's got an opinion, everybody's got a way in. I
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 6: just that the Lions. Everybody's given the Lions the benefit
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 6: of the doubt. And my whole thing is why they're
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 6: the Lions. But this is things up for my entirety.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 5: This is my point. Just let us hear and then
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 5: that way I don't have to take. Now here's my
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 5: problem with Brad Allen specifically, did you hear the did
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 5: you read the pool.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: Report at all a little bit?
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So he goes to the whole thing, and he says,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 5: seventy reported sixty eight did not. Okay, whatever, I think
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 5: we can all sort of have our opinion as to
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 5: whether or not we think he's telling the truth. Then
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 5: he said something along the lines of they also were
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 5: in a legal formation, so even because he was covered up,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 5: you didn't call it exactly. Yeah, so that's a lie. Yeah,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 5: because I've seen a million examples of there are two
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: fouls on the play, both against the offense, illegal shift,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 5: that penalty has declined. Blah blah blah blah blah. Right,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 5: they didn't do that, so you can tell me that
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 5: you had another penalty anyway. So even if I got
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 5: it right, they wouldn't have counted because he was covered up.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 5: That's not what you called on the field. It's just
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 5: I mean, there's no difference between that and letting a
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 5: blatant holds go. Yeah, you didn't call it on the field,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 5: so it didn't happen.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: And you know, to Paul's point, with the transparency, they
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: might have to move in that direction because with more
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: and more and more casual fans now betting because it's legal,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: you can't have the public losing confidence in the officials.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 7: It's just so hard to imagine these guys are like
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 7: going home working a job during the week, you know,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 7: at whatever the law firm that they're at, and then
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 7: you know, I just I don't know for sure though
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 7: that the answer is that if they're in ref school
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 7: all week and reviewing, that's doing those things, that it's
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 7: really going to make that much of a difference.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: But it's just it's it's just strange to have this.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 7: Multi billion dollar industry all kind of hinging on part time.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: I think Paul Paul should open up a business. It
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: should be the Paul Perillo School of officiating in time
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: clock management.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 6: He is good at the clock manager. You would have
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 6: helped Andy Reid.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: Back in the day, well he did consult.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 5: The maybe like like you're you're right, friend. I think
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 5: it is trending to to a change in that direction.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 5: And I think it's very like you have that replay
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 5: booth and you know the sky judge so to speak,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 5: that they kind of sort of use, you know, they
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 5: fixed plays quickly now, which I think is a step
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 5: in the right direction. They do it in those other
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 5: leagues like the USFL. I think did it let us
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 5: hear it like it's not the whole game.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: Look, yeah, let's hear what they're saying.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 5: Like at least so that what let's just say there's
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 5: a replay judge, right, he has access to everything communication
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 5: wise that's going on on the field, and if it's
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 5: something like this that we need to hear later, we
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: can hear it. Because I think what bothers people is
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 5: John Parody was the guy, he was the official in
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 5: the booth. Yes, and it's like, and you know why
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 5: he's butchering it, ev He's he's just this guy. Yeah,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 5: he's just well, it's the onus is on the player there.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 5: I mean, what so in other words, you don't just
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 5: have to report, you have to knock the guy over
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 5: and say, hey, you make sure I do actually that
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 5: you get this, but I don't understand.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: So they have to make a public announcement. You know,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: number seventy is reported to be eligible at that point,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: doesn't Dan Campbell say whoa who who wo? No, that's
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: not right.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 5: I'm not even paying I'm on my headsets, I'm calling the.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: Play somebody Jared Goff or whoever, somebody.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 5: I don't think that that's something that you'd be even
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 5: paying attention to Okay, like I'm calling the play in
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 5: the huddle, the game's on the line, I'm not listening
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 5: to what the reference saying to the other team.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 6: I guess I do agree that, like with the point though,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 6: that the onus is on the player, like my report. Yeah,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 6: like Mike Rabel, I don't know if it was recently
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 6: or whatever, but he talked about it because obviously he
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 6: had to report. He would come on the field, and
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 6: he said that he would like grab the ref like
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 6: and look eye to eye with him and be like,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 6: I am reporting.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 5: As don't you feel like Decker did that? It didn't
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 5: look like what I don't know what he did. I'm
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 5: saying that the huddles here, Brad Allen and Decker are
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 5: over here and and right right. That's why I think
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 5: they were trying to be vag But what else could
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 5: he possibly be saying?
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was weird because there were two people with
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: the ref and then seventy comes running over like.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 5: And if you watch it, as seventy gets about halfway there,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 5: he gives Brad Allen leaves right, Brad Allen never let
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 5: seventy get within earshot. Yeah, and yet he just determined
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 5: that he was the guy that was reporting, right, so
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 5: it was weird. So I do think that they ma
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 5: a mistake, but I think part of it is the
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 5: lion's fault.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: I file it too.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 7: It's just what happened here with the balls, Like it's
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 7: just the rest showing inattention to detail and these little
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 7: things that are just kind of slipping through the cracks
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 7: and it's like, huh, sorry, we didn't know.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 5: And I think that people wouldn't be I think what
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 5: I don't know about you, but what I get incensed
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 5: after the fact when you're seeing something and you clearly
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 5: see it, right, they tell you that you didn't see
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 5: what you saw, yeah, you know. So that's why I
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 5: think if you just have a little transparency, or even worse,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 5: if it's a guy and I don't know Brad Allen
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 5: from from Mike Yoursell, I don't know who this guy is,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: So, I mean, we have the technology right he should
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: this should be repercussions. Even on some of these close calls,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: they can stop the clip and they can say, see
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: that that's where we made our determination at that point,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: I mean you kind of can't see it the way
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 4: he kind of like looks.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 5: At like that Pool report was insulting to anybody who's
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 5: ever watched a game, because you're watching something that's totally
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 5: differ from what this guy is saying.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: All right, a five to five past five hundred. Let's
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: turn it over to the listeners. We'll start with Harry,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: who's in Maryland. What's up, Harry.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 17: Hey, it's good to hear your voices here. It's perfect
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 17: timing because I was calling to talk about this Detroit thing. Okay,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 17: I thought I was on an island. I'd blame this
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 17: completely on Detroit.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 13: You are, I've been taking a beating with everybody telling
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 13: me it's the ref's.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 5: Ball, so it was the rest.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: I think it's part. I think both are culpable here.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that the Lions tried to be too cute,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 5: but it's on the ref. The ref screwed up.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: And then you know, they asked me.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 5: If this happened to the Patriots, they'd be a storming
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 5: of Roger Goodell's office. And this morning, you know, I'm saying,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 5: if they tried to be intentionally vague and do that
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 5: and they didn't, if if Bill Vanovitch screwed up, the
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 5: Ravens game. They would be an attack on Bill Vinovitch,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 5: not on the Patriots for trying to be too I couldn't.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 6: I couldn't agree with you more.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: They asked Bill this morning about it, you know, and
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: they went back to that Ravens game and said, you know,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: what's the process you know when you're doing that? And
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: Bill took it totally the wrong way. It's like there
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: was nothing illegal back then. And this, you know, he
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: wasn't saying that what you did was illegal. He was
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: asking what's the process to make sure that the ref right?
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 5: And it would in sense a team that does go
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 5: outside the box to think of these different ways to
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 5: try to get an edge within.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: The rules, within the rules.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 5: And if the referees screwed it up, and again, if
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 5: Dan Campbell is to be believed, which I'm not necessarily
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 5: believing everything, if he went over this before the game
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 5: with them and they still screwed it.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 6: Up, well, apparently, Brad Allen and this is standard operating procedure.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 6: Brad Allen was not in that meeting, So that's I
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 6: guess that's how it's I don't know, that's a Pro
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 6: Football Talk report. And he said that that's standard.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: What else, Harry.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 17: Earlier, when you said no one knows what was said.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 17: That's that's the big point. You know, we see these guys.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 17: Sixty eight runs over to the rest.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 15: He might run over there and say, hey, we're running.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 17: That tackle eligible thing again, and the rest says, oh, okay.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 17: You know you have no idea what that conversation was.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 5: That's why I said there should be transparency.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: And again, now that gambling is legal, we have to
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: have that transparent. When it was illegal, you know, you
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: couldn't feel sorry for the better. I don't think something
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: that was against the law, But now.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 5: I know everybody. Everybody goes down that road. I don't
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 5: really care about that.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: I don't I do. I want I want it all
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: to work out.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 5: I just want the games to be officiated properly. I
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 5: don't think that's too much to ask.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 10: Yep, but Paul, they announced it.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 17: I mean, the entire Detroit team is standing there and
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 17: no one thought, whoa seventy that's what.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 5: I don't think you're even paying attention to that. I
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 5: think you you go over and report it.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 10: Now.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 5: You're worried about the play. You're calling the play. Yeah,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 5: you're not listening to what the referees. I don't know.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 10: There's a lot of undred guys over there that somebody.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 5: Should have there's actually eleven, but that's okay. No, but
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 5: he's talking about everybody on the sideline.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: Assistant co all right, thanks, Harry.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 6: I just to go back to your point about if
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 6: they had messed this up with the Patriots against Baltimore.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 6: My whole thing is is that you would have been
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 6: one of them.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 5: You would have been at I'm with your point.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 6: What I'm telling you is is that the Patriots would
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 6: not have screwed this up. That the Patriots would not.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 5: But I'm not willing to say de Troyd screwed it up.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 5: I'm telling you that's all I'm saying. I would like
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 5: to hear the actual conversation so I know who's screwed up.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 5: I like to know who did something wrong. That's my
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 5: whole problem with this. I'm not telling you Detroit's right
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 5: or wrong.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but when you don't know, and that's the way
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 5: the league wants to go.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: But when you don't know, then to Evan's point, and
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: you see Detroit screw up things over the years, you're like, well,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: they probably did something wrong.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 5: But that isn't that wrong.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 6: But you know coaches such a fraud Campbell.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: Because I think he's one of the most unique guys
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: in the league.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 6: He's a great motivator, great cheerleader for his tea, but
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 6: his coordinators do all the work, okay, and like, good
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 6: for him.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 5: So I'll say this is anyone.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: Giving him credit for putting together the game plan. No,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying giving him credit for motivating his team. Yeah,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: and he does a good job of that. But if
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: you're asking me again, like, do I think that he
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: handled this whole thing properly as the head coach of
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: the team. Yeah, And I tell you no, because I
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: think he's a knucklehead.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 5: And I'll take it a step further. I think that
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 5: once the play happens, okay, it's unfortunate you lost a
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 5: potential go ahead two point conversion. Notice I say go ahead,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 5: not game winning yeap, which is another element of that
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 5: that got completely glossed over. You gotta just kick the
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 5: extra point. Like you can sit there and say I'm pissed.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna try to prove a point and win anyway,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 5: So I can tell you to go screw yourself after
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 5: the game. So I was dumb.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: He's so boneheaded when it comes to those situations.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 5: But I don't think that there was boneheaded to go
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 5: for two. But when you go back to the seven
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 5: yard line, now you're just being stubborn.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: Right right, Just take the tie kick the.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 5: Extra point from the thirty eight year it would be
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 5: thirty eight yards now instead of thirty three. Just kick
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 5: the extra point, right.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 4: I've got into my head, but I am trust I
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: got it into my head when I imagine.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 5: I think that was part of like I got Decker.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 7: Walking over like hey, hey, hey, reporting reporting, reporting, and
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 7: then because what what what?
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 4: Who's reporting?
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 7: And then he looks up and he sees Skipper saying, okay,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 7: you're reporting and reporting reporting, Like it's like I'm muddled
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 7: and stuff.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 5: I don't think And if you're asking me my personal opinion,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 5: I think Decker went over and in no uncertain terms,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 5: he reported, I think this there's not a coincidence that
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 5: it was fifty eight and sixty eight. And I think
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 5: that that's why they both went to him, and Decker
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 5: said I'm reporting, and they figured when they said, maybe
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 5: there'll be some confusion. Was it sixty eight or fifty eight,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 5: one of those deals. That's what I think they tried
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 5: to do. I'm reporting, who's reporting? This guy coming in?
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 9: Oh?
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 6: That guy foxed everybody, including the official right.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's what happened. I think they confused
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 5: Brad Allen. But that doesn't mean that it's Detroit's fault.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 5: It's Brad Allen's fault for getting confused. I agree if
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 5: that's what happened.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: Patty's an agawam. What's up, Patty?
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 16: What's what's going on? Everyone? That wide receiver you're thinking of,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 16: I think was Antoine ramdellel No.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 5: That was like in the like early nineties with Cal Brown.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 16: I don't have much to Adam.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, thanks for calling him.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 4: I just want to say hi, it.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 16: No, no, just what you guys are talking about about
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 16: the Jets game and how you're kind of I don't
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 16: want to say that you're penciling them in for a win,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 16: but I think the last game that actually penciled this
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 16: team in for a win was the last Jets game
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 16: they've played in the medal lands, and.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 10: Like Week three or four.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 16: I can't do it.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I'm you're right. I'm being overly simplistic
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: about this game. I just can't imagine them losing this
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: game because it's the Jets. They're terrible, you know. And
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: I know their defense is really good and they've played
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: really well, but boy, their offense is putrid. And I
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: think our offense has gotten just enough where we might
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: score twelve points and win the game, you know, turn
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: it over.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be like a ten to seven.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 17: Yeah.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna have to score a lot
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: of points to win this game. In other words, you know.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 6: I'm not I'm not revealing my my bold.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: You already revealed it. I already know what your bullpick.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but that doesn't air right away, so to wait
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 6: and see.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: All right, Thanks Patty, We'll go to California. Rob's on
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: the line. What's up, Rob? Are you a dentist chair?
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: What's going on?
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah?
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: Great?
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 18: Sorry, I must be online. Three man, I can barely hear.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 19: You, but I'm gonna so this is a Robin san
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 19: Diego the Connecticut. Okay that I was that Jersey Mike yesterday.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 19: I was thinking to be all the five A few
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 19: questions because the connection is bad.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna, yeah, make it quick and then we'll try it.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, right, So the firpose.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 18: If if you go down there, they played it Jets
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 18: and they're playing conservative, They're kicking field goals, there's not
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 18: a lot of emotion. I think I know the answer,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 18: but it's more speculations. Do you think that that might
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 18: be indicative that that Belichick is coming back if it's
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 18: not like a high emotion game, that they're not throwing
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 18: the kits and sink at the Jets. They're doing these
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 18: little sink and dunks and hunting. Now, So that's my
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 18: first question, okay, But my fecond question is this. My
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 18: brother in law is in Connecticut right now and he's
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 18: going up to the Hall of Fame this week in
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 18: the stadium. I haven't been there in a few years.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 18: I want to know if there's anything you could check out,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 18: you know, is there a new exhibit, is is there
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 18: anything happening is the Hall of Fame specifically?
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'll answer that when you get off. As far
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: as the Hall of Fame, call first, because sometimes there's
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: like corporate events and they actually close it to the
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: public on game day unless they come on Saturday, and
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: then you can check it out. But how long ago
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: did he say he was the last time he was here.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 7: A couple of years years. I mean, if you didn't
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 7: see the new Super Bowl exhibit. I mean they have
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 7: some new stuff from the latest win.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was a while ago.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 7: It's a wonderful place. My son Cammel came yesterday. We
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 7: shot our show and Campbell tagged along, and then he's
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 7: been there one hundred times.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 4: But he's like, let's go through again.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 7: And there's plenty to do there for the kids, and
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 7: you know, all kinds of interactive stuff.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: And there's a new new bar called the Heart that
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: opened up where CBS.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 4: We went to the Harp.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: You could check that out.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: We did that.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 5: He was very you liked it. There a couple of
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 5: a couple of couple of drinks, couple a couple of noons.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 5: Good for him.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: I was a little bit shocked that that was even
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: open on Harp.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 7: I know, well it was good because there was no
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 7: one there, and so we hop right in, got some
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 7: some app got some no I mean Buffalo Chicken.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: Like the Page's Hall of Fame. Why was that open?
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 11: Oh?
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 6: Was it open or did you just open that open.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 6: You gotta yes because everybody's off, so.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: We should have told him to go. Usually Monday, is.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 7: It ten is the sweet spot because you get to
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 7: see some you might see some famous So let yeah,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 7: like ninety eight point five the sports.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: And what was his first question about that?
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 7: I like, my whole thing with this week is like
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 7: you wouldn't know what week it is, what their record is,
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 7: Like they are just like he he's going to present
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 7: the game plan there, like there's not going to be
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 7: any talk about the health this season or anything.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 5: I would just say, like, it's just this season, Like
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 5: Fred's right, it's been consistent in that they've been sloppy,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 5: but like there's no way of knowing how the game's
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 5: going to unfold. Like I would never have told you
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 5: they're going to turn the Bowl over four times, right,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 5: you know before you even settle in your chair on Sunday?
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: So who knows?
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 5: Who knows?
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean in twenty twenty when they beat the
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 6: jetson was it week seventeen WEEKDS?
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 4: Cam Newton didn't Jacobe throw.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 6: A touchdown pass to Cam Newton in that game?
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 5: I believe that is correct, Like, so they were.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 4: Doing that kind of stuff, Devil Make Care and that.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 5: Right, and it's so he wasn't getting fired after that season.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: The only way, the only way I think we'd get
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: an indication that this is Bill's last game is if
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: they come out like in the Wing Tea or something
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: like that and start running like old school.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 5: I hope they do that so that they can lose
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 5: drop kicks, you know, yeah, stuff like that.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 4: What's he gonna wear to it comes out?
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 5: Aroun This could put a cap.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 4: On the hoodie database too, So what's he gonna wear?
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 5: You know a lot of people want to know how
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 5: you're going to wrap that up if if indeed this
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 5: is the last.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: Now, when it's all done, well, you donate the database
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: to the Smithsonian.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 5: Maybe to the Hall of Fame here, but Naval Academy.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 7: I mean there's there's probably a book in there, so
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 7: I mean, like, I don't know, I'm never really a
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 7: brook in the database, right, Like I mean, like the
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 7: Bill Belichick hoodie has.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 5: Maybe it's like I think there's what's it's a picture book.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 5: It's a picture book, yeah, picture scrap picture graphics. A
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 5: coffee table book about coffee tables.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah, a scrap book, yeah, graphic a picture like, No,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 4: If Bill goes, though, I'm gonna be h.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: Maybe it could be a coffee table book with scraps
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: of each hoodie on the talking I'm going to be
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: each one is, each page is signed by Bill.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 7: If he goes, he's going to be a big week
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 7: for me and the dumpsters out there, because I'm just
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 7: gonna be waiting.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 4: You know, see if anything gets chucked out there, like
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 4: what is rady old sweater?
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 7: They throw it out, you realize that, you know, that's
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 7: the twenty sixteen blue cutoff hoodie that I.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: Once met with this custom book company that makes these
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: like really expensive books on like you know, special cloth
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: paper and all the other and they come in like
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: wood boxes and you literally put gloves on before you
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: open it up and grease. Yeah, like the pages assigned this.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: There was one with Muhammad Ali and and we were
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: thinking of doing like a commemorative Patriots thing that you know,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: each book would be like five thousand dollars, but I
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: couldn't do it. But it was fascinating to see these books.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, usually that's just really old books, not
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 4: really nice.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: No, these are like custom made books, like some of
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: the binding was like snake skin, you know, rich really cool.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: Did you have something to say sexty Booksmara?
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 9: I was wondering you, hey, I was wondering how many
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 9: people are going to show up to the game if
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 9: this weather is horrible and I just want to step up.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: And there's a lot of very cheap tickets on here,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: very alarming.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: But also if it is bill last game, eighty thousand
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: people will say they were there for it.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 5: I'm not so sure.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 9: Literally, in section two twenty four, Row twelve, which is decent,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 9: seats thirty nine dollars.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 4: Oh well, probably shouldn't I want to go to that game.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 9: So I'm just saying I'm not sure I would want
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 9: to see two teams who have probably the worst offenses
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 9: in the NFL playing.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 5: But would you watch on TV?
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: But would you potentially want to see you saw Bill's
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: last game?
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 9: Kind of, I don't know if that's worth sitting in
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 9: a Blizzard to watch a zero zero game at half Yeah,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 9: looking coaching.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 5: Down, look at him, look at it, look at how
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 5: he wears that I.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 4: Just threw that headset he threw.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 5: I disagree with the zero zero but again zero zero half,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 5: it's possible he's going to.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: Break a tablet for the It is possible. It is possible,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: of course, it's possible.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 6: But I think for this game, I will like try
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 6: to soak in a little bit the fact that this
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 6: could be his last game, because in nineteen with Brady
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 6: was a playoff. It was such a different stakes that
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 6: the focus was just on the the play and the
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 6: outcome of the game. This is the outcome of the game.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 6: Unless you are pulling like me for them to lose,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 6: it really doesn't matter. It's more just this is this
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 6: could truly be it?
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 5: Like, right, do you think there are more than the
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 5: people that were actually here claiming they were at that game?
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: Brady's no, because he threw a pick to in the game. Well,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: he had won the game. Everybody said I saw that.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 5: I really don't think that's true. I mean, unless it was.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: Like a super Bowl.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 5: Well Ted Williams, a random Alaska. Yeah, no, one says
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 5: they were at that game.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: That's the whole thing about that game. Everybody said they
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: were there and there was only like fifteen thousand people
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: in at the game.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 5: Well you were there, so right, I'll take your word
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 5: for it time.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: That was the whole thing.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 5: I don't know anybody.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: Last game, everybody said they were there and the ballpark
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: was half empty.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 9: I I couldn't see myself going to a game that
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 9: has like no playoff implications for either team. Buith teams
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 9: are horrible, their offenses are horrible.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: The Blizzard, like, I just don't want to.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: What about simply paying your respects to Bill be watching?
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 5: I could get into that. If this was like THEES no,
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 5: like if they won, like let's just say that they
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 5: won a super Bowl last year and Bill like sort
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 5: of announced I'm retiring, I could get into it. The
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 5: uncertainty surrounding Bill's future to me is not enough for
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 5: me to go to the game. If I if I
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 5: don't want to go, like I mean, if you want
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 5: to go to their season ticket older by all means
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 5: you should go. And I do think the snow if
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 5: we get snow, I think that helps that atmosphere. Like
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 5: you remember the Snow game, and you know there was
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 5: nobody here that day, but they all.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: Claim they were.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 5: Okay, I'll take your word for that stuff. I don't
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 5: really know anybody that clamors to say that they were there,
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 5: but they were. I know I was here. I know
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 5: I left like the day before to get here. I
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 5: just if he was retiring, and I think it would
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 5: be like a pay your respects to Bill Belichick.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 6: I think there's so much certain time. I'm just not
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 6: sold that he that he's done here.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 5: No, I don't think it's done done.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 6: No, I don't think it is either in the closer
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 6: that we get. Duce and I were talking about this
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 6: this earlier. It's it's a whole program that you have
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 6: to tear down if he's gone. Like it's not just well,
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 6: that's what I would do the coach, right, but like,
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 6: but it really is like because it's the coach, the
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 6: whole infrastructure of the football operations is is him Like
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 6: he put the.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 5: Whole thing together.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: We don't know anything, but what if it's.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 6: Well, I guess my point is still that That's kind
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 6: of my point though, is that I just am not
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 6: anticipating that it's going to be all that different. Like, yes,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 6: I think it might be. It could be Girrod, or
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 6: it could be Bill with like a souped up scouting
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 6: staff or something like that. But I'm just not imagining
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 6: that it's going to be Ben Johnson's going to be
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 6: the coach here in two weeks, and it's a completely
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 6: different thing. And you know, we have a GM that
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 6: that none of us have ever heard of or has
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 6: never been here, we never spoken to. Like I think
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 6: a lot of fans, that's what they would prefer. It
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 6: is a complete clean house and rehaul of football. And
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 6: I just don't think that I would prefer I don't
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 6: think that that's real.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 5: If you if you're making a change, like if you're
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 5: keeping Bill, and that's fine, but if you're making your change,
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 5: I would definitely lean to the last.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 9: Yeah, because otherwise I feel like it's ended up with
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 9: with what you said Evan about like dressing up a
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 9: pig or putting a make up on a pig, like
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 9: lipstick on a pig, whatever saying. I feel like it
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 9: would just be the same thing if you just kept
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 9: everybody but call.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 5: The perfume everybody else's lips is.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 7: I mean, and maybe not the best example, but when
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 7: Bill came in here was like the whole scouting staff gone,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 7: the whole all the front office was gone.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 4: I mean it's everybody.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 7: When you turn over everybody, Well, when Bill came they
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 7: that's a great example, they.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 5: Kept the personnel department through the draft. Then they all
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 5: got that that's how it usually was.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, you hear a lot of times
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: and teams like, oh, this equipment manager has been there
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: for fifty years or so. That means that they've gone
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: through many many got through. Yeah, and those those you know,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes things. It's better to just keep people
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: who know what they've been doing rather than have to
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: worry about hiring those positions. Like we have a person here,
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: Nancy Meyer, who's been here since Buck o' kilroy. There's
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: no reason to get rid of her. She will be
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: loyal to whoever the new head coach is. She knows
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: her job, the players love her. She takes care of
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: those things so you don't have to think about them.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: And those people tend to stay from regime to regime.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: So really all the new people have to worry about
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: is what's going on with the players and the plays.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't the closer that we get to it,
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 6: I said it last week, I just I'm not convinced.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 6: I'm not convinced that they're actually going to do it,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 6: because I just think that it's been built up an
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 6: entire infrastructure for twenty five years, and I just I
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 6: don't I don't know if they have the klines to
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 6: do it, honestly, but it's a big, big move to
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 6: move on from Bill Bellichi Oh.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 5: I agree with that part. But in terms of you know,
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 5: it's an entire RESI you're going to have to do
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 5: it at some point. I just whether it's this year,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 5: next year, or two. He's not going to coach forever.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 6: Right, But I think the plan was to pass the
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 6: baton to Girrod. But I don't think they're ready to
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 6: pass the baton to Gerrod yet. And I think the
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 6: plan was to pass it to him in a year
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 6: or two, after he passes Shule's record, and after Gerard
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 6: gets some more experience, and then they do it on
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 6: more of a high note. Now you're passing the torch
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 6: to Gerrod for him to fix a four and thirteen
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 6: football team. It's a much different situation.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 5: I feel like, I don't know if this is speaking
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 5: out of turn. I hope well Fred will just yell
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 5: at me if I am. But I feel like, if
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 5: you want to keep Bill, the only reason to keep
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 5: Bill is because you think he's the best man for
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 5: the job, like a fear of changing, and they're all
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 5: relevant things that you're talking about. I'm not this isn't
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 5: necessarily coming at you for what you just said, But
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 5: if that's the reason why you keep it, because I don't,
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 5: I just I'm not ready to make all these I'm
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 5: not sure that the timeline is right for if you
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 5: think girod Mayo is the next coach and it's a
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 5: year or two before you really figured that you'd make
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 5: the move, that's not the reason to stick with, especially if.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: You've got the third pick and you're planning to somehow
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: get a quarterback. I need, you know, I can't delay
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: the transformation of the offense.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 5: That's how I you know.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: I've got to get going.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 5: And if you want to keep Bill because you think
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 5: Bill is the best man for the job, then keep him.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 5: Then make that argument and make that be the reason
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 5: trying to keep him.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: For that record, it's going to take him five more years.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: And that's another one I cannot I could care less
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: about the I couldn't care less about the record, and
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure Bill cares as much as people think
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: he does about the record.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 6: I just think that the bigger I think that you
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 6: can really say that Bill, it's hard to imagine them
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 6: getting a better head coach than Bill Belichick.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 5: But it might.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 6: He might just not be the right head coach for
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 6: the team right now. That's and that I think is
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 6: where it becomes so difficult to decide what to do.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 6: Is because no matter what you do in two weeks,
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 6: if Bill Belichick's not the head coach of the Patriots,
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 6: you're downgrading the head coach of the Patriots like you're
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 6: but Ben Johnson might be the right guy for this
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 6: era of the Patriots because you are gonna have Drake May,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 6: and you are gonna have young, skilled players, and he
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 6: is gonna put those guys in an offense that's modern
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 6: and has a chance to succeed, and all that stuff
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 6: could be true. I just I think that there's still
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 6: so many things that Bill does better than anybody else
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 6: that it's hard to imagine that he's gonna be truly
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 6: a better well rounded head coach than Bill. And I
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 6: worry about that sort of thing coming out, like that
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 6: sort of side of it wants to dust settles, and
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 6: you know, the reactionary stuff goes away of going four
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 6: and thirteen or five and twelve or whatever it is.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the ideal thing would be, I guess,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: or the easiest thing would be, is if Girod takes
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: over and he gives the offense to one of the
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: one of Evans guys, you know, some new fangled, you know,
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: offensive minded guy, and so Girod doesn't have to worry
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: about the offense. He kind of hands it over to
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: this person. Girod just kind of overseeing the team. Uh,
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: you know, whether it's DeMarcus Covington or whatever. He keeps
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: him as his defensive coordinator, and then the transition isn't
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: as much, isn't as big a thing, you know.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the problem is that's the best idea in theory.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 6: But these offensive minded guys are all getting head coaching.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 6: I hear you, so like they're not gonna take you know,
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 6: Ben Johnson from from Detroit and make him make a
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 6: ladder remove and no it can't.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: But it has to be somebody like that's next in
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: line somewhere to be oc and you're grabbing him before
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: the does and making him yourn.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 6: I'm blanking on his name right now. But the offensive
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 6: coordinator in Miami is an interesting guy because he's somebody
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 6: that doesn't call plays right now in Miami because McDaniel
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 6: calls the plays. So for him to truly get offensive
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 6: coordinator head coach like type of aspirations, it's kind of
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 6: like Eric b Enemy right, Like you almost have to
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 6: leave the nest and call plays for yourself and establish
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 6: yourself as a big offensive mine someplace else. So he
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 6: could bring the Shanahan offense to New England and run
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 6: it himself and call the plays and things like that,
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 6: and then maybe that springboards him to a head coaching job.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 6: But that just means in two years he's going to
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 6: be gone because he's going to be the head coach
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 6: someplace else.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: And you notice we're not talking about GM right now,
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: which could be the bigger question. You know, who's who's
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: picking these guys in April.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 9: I definitely think there needs to be a separation between
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 9: head coach and GM and not have them be all
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 9: in Frank Smith.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 4: Sorry, yeah, I forget that.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 6: Na he was gonna say Matt Smith and I was like,
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 6: that's not it.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 4: No sucks the OC.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 7: I wonder too, what the defense looks like in a
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 7: post Bill you know, post Belichick world here, and does
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 7: this defense get totally changed, because.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: I wonder the defense looks like those little guys in
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: the metal football thing you turned them electricity on. They
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: all go in different directions.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 7: I just feel like he's built it in a very
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 7: specific and there's a lot of players that. I mean,
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 7: I think Gonzalez can you know, play, Jonathan Jones can play.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 7: But I just I wonder if another another guy comes
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 7: in here and says, I don't really have any use
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 7: for Jamal Bentley. You know, I'm kind of over Devon Godshaw.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 7: You know, like a lot of the pieces that they've
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 7: you know, kind of unique to the Patriots, that they
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 7: wanted to do things the way they want to do it.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 7: I could see another person being like, this isn't going
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 7: to work for me in any capacity upfront.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 5: But you might also get guys that would work better
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 5: with a new guy, you know, maybe a new cha, right,
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 5: you know, someone like that.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 4: I mean, I get your point, and I like that point.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 4: I don't know about Chase specific.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 5: No, I'm just saying a guy who doesn't really have
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 5: a full time role.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 4: I was just yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no, I didn't
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 4: going to go.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: Didn't to go to Chris Bordon shine with another.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 6: I'm actually I'm also kind of worried about that. Like
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 6: I think defensively they're really sound, Like I think they're
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 6: really well coached defense. I would totally and I would.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't touch the defense, like I bring back everybody.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 6: I mean, not like if if Kyle Duggart goes out
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 6: and gets fifty million dollars and I'm okay.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: But I mean you wouldn't touch the defense. That means
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: you would touch the defense philosophy.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 5: Correct, Okay.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 6: I don't think the defensive philosophy is broken, okay, And
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 6: I think that they've adapted it enough now where they
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 6: have the Kyle Duggars, Marty Map who's Jabriel Peppers is
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 6: of the world, who are basically, you know, I'm going
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 6: to give him some credit. I think Bill looked at
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 6: it and said, I could have a two hundred and
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 6: twenty five pound linebacker that's a little bit better than
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 6: the average linebacker in coverage but worse against the run,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 6: or I could just have a safety play linebacker who's
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 6: a really good coverage player, you know, And like he
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 6: looked at it and said, I'd rather just play the
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 6: safeties at the second level of the defense.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: But to Douce's point, a guy like Devin Gottschow, who
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: Bill says is one of the best defensive linemen in
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: the league, maybe another guy says, not in mind yet.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 4: But there's you know, the big fatty two gappers and.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 5: The trading guy.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 6: Because they have Kyle Dugger playing at the second level
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 6: of the defense.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 5: So if the.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 6: Guards get up to the second level and a two
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 6: hundred and fifteen pounds safety is up there, then it's
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 6: going to be an issue.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 5: So they have the.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 6: Guys the god Shaws, the Wises, the bar and Moors
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 6: and those guys to hold up the line of scrimmage.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 7: And that goes to the point you know that I
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 7: was just making was that it's all connected. You know,
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 7: if you pull out, you know, if you don't, if
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 7: you want to go smaller at linebacker, then you you
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 7: also might want to get more penetrators up front.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 5: And I mean I think a lot of teams have
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 5: big space eaters up front. I just don't think a
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 5: lot of a lot of teams prioritize they're.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 4: More of a spot player and shortyard.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 5: Like minimum salary guys, not nine million a year guys.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, But on the flip side too.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 7: I mean, like, you know, not to say that Brian
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 7: Flores is going to come here and be the defensive coordinator,
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 7: but I'm sure he could take this personnel and and
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 7: you know, put a really good team together and not
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 7: have to change everything because he's kind of from that
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 7: tree you have blitzing every play.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 6: I would just I would just retain the coaching staff
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 6: on that side of the ball, like if that just
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 6: means okay, like Ben Johnson's the head coach and Girodmeo's
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 6: now the official defensive coordinator instead of whatever the heck
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 6: he is right now, Like I just make it that way.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 6: I would bring back the whole staff if I could.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 3: I don't think you can keep the Belichicks.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 4: That's tough.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 7: I mean, that's why Covington is interesting, just because you know,
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 7: Gerrod kind of comes with the baggage and I mean
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 7: baggage using that trem loosely, but you know, the Belichicks
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 7: are the Belichicks. So Covington, though, I think, is universally respected,
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 7: and you know he was down at the Senior Bowl.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 7: He's another like one of those guys that I could
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 7: see maybe surviving a regime change.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 4: And kind of maybe somebody that could stay.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking though, if Bill doesn't go anywhere else to coach,
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: but he's you know, retires or whatever, and you keep Steve,
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: do you at least get Bill on the phone every week? No?
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: I mean I would go for that.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 3: You have to know.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 6: I don't know why, why, what's wrong with Steve?
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: It's just weird having someone like linger over like Bill.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 5: If Bill's not coaching anymore, that's that's a different scenario
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 5: that Like, if Bill goes somewhere next year, then yeah,
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 5: that's Belichick kids staying here. That's weird. I agree. But
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 5: if he's not coaching and he decides, all right, I
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 5: had a good run, it's a good time to hang
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 5: it up. Yeah, you know, I'd be.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: Shocked to be hung it up.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 5: I would too. I would you still watch the.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: Event he does? I'd like to keep Steve and and
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: you get Bill on the phone hello?
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, why wouldn't you just keep him?
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: If you will?
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 5: Like, if you're so interested in what he has?
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: Great game day? Remember is he yes he is? Yes
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: he is. Remember when Parcells was here and Robert at
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: the end said the best sideline, What did he call
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: Parcels the best game day sideline coach in the history
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: of the modern NFL. Remember that?
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 4: What Remember it was.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: On the field? I think it was the Pittsburgh game.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 5: Can you put like the names instead of He and.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: Robert talked about parcels.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 5: Y apology in the history of the modern Yeah, I'm
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 5: usually much better. I apologize. I'm usually much better at
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 5: speaking Fred. But you are correct, remember that after the
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 5: Jacksonville after He's the greatest sideline coach in the history
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 5: of the modern era. Right, it was like nine qualified.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: But I think you know, if you want to whittle
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: it down, who's better at devising a game plan than
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: Bill Belichie.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 5: I think he's special.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 6: I think he's the best game planner in the history
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 6: of the league. Yeah, I had that I don't think
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 6: is disputable.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Identifying matchup, you know, looking at you know, the weaknesses,
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: looking at the strengths and figuring out how to neutralize them.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 5: You know, which is so funny. He feels like he
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 5: can do stuff to stop offenses, yet he doesn't want
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 5: to build one.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because he just feels like everybody can stop it.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 6: Because I think that I think that, you know, David
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 6: Andrews said it after the game, and I know that
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 6: this is a lot coach speaking, A lot of coaches
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 6: say this, but you have to like learn how to
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 6: what is it not lose to win or something like that.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 6: And I think that that's how Bill approaches offense. Just
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 6: don't lose the game instead of trying to be aggressive
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 6: and actually winning the game with your offense.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 5: Which is why I'm not really yeah, you know that's
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 5: my feeling. Again, it doesn't mean it's the way that
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 5: Robert Kraft is thinking, but that's why I want to
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 5: move on.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 7: Is there a world where Bill Belichick becomes president of
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 7: Football Operations and it's.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 4: Kind of here, he stays here.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 7: It's entitled well, but it's a title'ssioner of the p LL.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 6: I feel like, no, I mean, just is there a
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 6: strains as a coach though?
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 7: Right, like totally, I'm just this is one thing we
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 7: haven't talked about at all of a potential move where
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 7: he kind of stays here but he doesn't really have
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 7: any direct impact anymore.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: President emeritus. I don't see the parent.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 5: Even the biggest Belichick fans would say that he struggles
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 5: in the draft lately, but he's just the president to
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 5: be in charge of say that he'll.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: Be the Hall of Fame archivist.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 5: And what's he doing? What's he doing?
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 6: Now if he's coaching.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 7: See this is like rubbed everybody so wrong that I'm like,
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 7: this could be what it is. This is going to
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 7: be the thing that makes no one happy.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: What if he becomes Mayo's Ernie Adams?
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, why would he do that?
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: Director of research? He's not going to do it.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 7: And football history, so, like you say, roll them on
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 7: Fridays just to give a little swary lesson.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 5: So you can't kid with me like that because.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: It just ever starts getting really nervous.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 5: What do you? Where is this coming from? Now?
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: All right, let's get back.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 5: To the phone. Strange days.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: Indeed, Kendall's in North Carolina. What's up, Kendall?
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 18: What's going on?
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 19: That's good.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 18: I got one quick, christ I just became a fan
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 18: of this.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: Year or so? Where you been?
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 5: Sorry, I've been out man.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 10: Well I'm not familiar with I all see the schedule,
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 10: so would the last week of theater until training camp.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 18: But we go year round.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: Oh no, once the season is over, we go twice
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: a week Tuesday, Tuesdays and Thursdays at noon.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 17: Okay, so y'all COVID to combound.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you stay with us. We will
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: be hearing all of it every step of the way.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 5: I'll come say hi, are you are you working out?
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 18: Sir?
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 5: I was, I was sorry.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: Have you been invited?
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 5: Are you working out?
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 9: No?
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 18: I have my own podcast whatnot and with the media,
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 18: so I get to go to the combat.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 4: We'll be there.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: I mean every step of the way. Will be there, more.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 5: Than likely to be there, right, Yeah, we will be there.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 4: Better be there.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Shrine involved in all your little meetings pro days.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 5: You're talking about it again this morning. Thank god.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 10: I appreciate it.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 5: Okay, thanks Kendall.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Paul, we signed you up for the pro day
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 4: at Washington.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you're gonna go out. I'm going to go out
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 6: to Washington watch Michael Penix. Michael penis apparently going to
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 6: the Senior Bowl. Actually, I don't know if you will
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 6: if they win the Natty.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: But I can see Paul going up to listen. I
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: played quarterback at every and I'm a lefty, so I
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: just want.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 4: To go over and get you. I get you.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 5: Do you feel disrespected, like I always just a little bit.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 4: Wasn't my a c l it was my achilles?
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 6: But you know, serious though, if they do draft Michael Penix,
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 6: one of the most fun things that for me is, Okay,
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 6: now we have to flip everything, right, Like if you're
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 6: going to bootleg, now you're bootlegging the other direction, or
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 6: if you're gonna like does the.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: View for all twenty two change? You put the camera
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: on the other side.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the whole thing is backward.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 6: It's like it's you know, you talk about the passing
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 6: strength is usually to the quarterback's arm side of the
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 6: of the play right, So now you got to flip everything.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: So we need a right tackle to get a backup
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: who's also a lefty?
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 6: Or do you that's a good question, fret.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 6: We'll have to ask, all right, Ben Johnson, Tebow, Timper's
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 6: in charge. Yeah, willing get into existence.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: I looks.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 7: Can I just say one thing though, like everything, every
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 7: little bit and there's only been a handful, but every
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 7: little bit that you've heard about Ben Johnson.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 5: Is that he's a big a hole And like I
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 5: just f we got to get another This is what
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 5: we're gonna hear. For those of us that are not
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 5: familiar with anything other than the fact that he yelled
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 5: at somebody in a middle school plate, what.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 7: Else is he wants to have him a lot of money,
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 7: you know, getting out there that he's he's ten million,
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 7: fifty fifteen million plus.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 5: Okay, those two I just said.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 4: They were only a few.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 5: That's not I mean I do too.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, how do you make it known?
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would make my salary. If I was like
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 5: a commodity on the open market, I would make it
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 5: known what I was looking for.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, sounds like we got a Ben Johnson face. Sounds
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: like it's another apologist.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 5: Absolutely. I don't know. If you've been listening all year,
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 5: how much.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 6: Do you think the enemy is gonna make?
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 3: Like, yeah, how much do you think he wants?
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 5: Oh?
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 6: I don't know, but I'd be interested in the enemy,
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 6: you know, I'd be interested in the enemy. I think, like,
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 6: we're we're gonna do this on catch twenty two eventually,
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 6: Like pairing these quarterbacks with certain offensive minds I think
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 6: is going to be part of the consideration. If they're
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 6: really really in love with Drake May, then Ben Johnson
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 6: is like, get him on the phone. Tomorrow, right, Like
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 6: that's the perfect pairing for that. But if you really
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 6: want to try to go after Caleb Williams, then I
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 6: would hire the enemy like that.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 5: That would be I.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: Would hire the enemy. But he's got to get a
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: different hat, like the Woolen hat that's tilted like that,
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: wear a hood or something.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 3: That's when did Fred become the fashion police.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: I've always been check, its been.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 9: Fashion, But to that point of forgetting these people on
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 9: the phone's I feel like that's why the decision if
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 9: you're gonna keep Bill or not keep it all has
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 9: to be made quick because you don't want to miss
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 9: out on either one of those people.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 7: It's got to be fast and you don't want the
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 7: fans just clamoring for the next like three weeks that's
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 7: gonna happen.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 6: You also have to mention, though, that they changed the
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 6: rule this year so you can't high I do interviews
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 6: with teams that are still alive until the divisional round
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 6: of the playoffs. Now used to be wild card weekend,
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 6: so they pushed it back a week. So guys like
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 6: Ben Johnson, assuming that the Lions advance out of the
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 6: wild card round, you know you'd have to wait to
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 6: interview guys.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 3: But the enemy you could call it, Yeah, a sap.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: It's true.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 4: Do you want the enemy?
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying he's available right now.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: Sean's in Virginia. What's up, Sean? Got how it's going
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: all right?
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 10: Yes, I just wanted to parts about improving the team, like, uh,
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 10: But I think it's interesting what one of you guys
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 10: said Sunday about mortgage. Hear some picks and they basically
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 10: they might have to do that in order to get
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 10: the offense to where it needs to be. Because I'm
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 10: looking at that, but as they actually got a guy
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 10: like Marvin Harrison Jr. Then I'm looking at it how
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 10: they made probably cantarget see Higgins in cre agency and
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 10: so these other guys and I here also kind of
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 10: about them losing different players. But just like I was
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 10: hearing mister man talk, I wouldn't touch the defense side
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 10: of the ball because, like I said, I think they
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 10: could plug in anybody on these on that side of
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 10: the ball and be good. But I would just fixtate
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 10: on the offense somewhere that they would say they struggled at,
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 10: which is evaluate talent offensively receivers, PIX.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: Focused on when you say you can plug in anybody
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the ball and they'll be good.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 10: Why do you say that, but because they're so good dramatically,
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 10: they're so good at coaching up outside of the ball.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 10: But I feel like that, I feel I think it's
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 10: throw anybody on that side of the ball.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: But what if the coaches are gone?
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 10: That's my that's my point, Like I said, Like if I,
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 10: like I said, if I, if they could mess somehow
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 10: manage to keep the coaches, that side of the ball
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 10: is not the problem. Like I would not fixed, was
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 10: not broken, right, I would fixtate. I would stay fixtated
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 10: on the offensive side of the ball. All we're trying
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 10: to do whatever I need to do to make sure
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 10: that side of the ball gets correct.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: I don't think anyone disagrees with that. You know, and
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: and you know. In terms of mortgaging the future, I mean,
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: if it takes giving up future draft picks to get
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: people you want now, I say, do it, because you
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: know there's no guarantee that in the future you're going
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: to get them. If you there's people that are there
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: now that you want, go get them, right, Go get them.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: I'm not with that, but there's no guarantee we're gonna
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: be able to address it next year. So if you
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: see things that can address it, now address it.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 6: I just I've I keep saying the same thing. I
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 6: just I wouldn't be the Carolina Panthers. I wouldn't be
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 6: in a situation.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: But you can do it right and do it that way.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 6: I suppose you.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: Don't have to take Bryce Young.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 6: Well, I mean I can't really get on them for
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 6: taking Bryce Young because he's a great prospect.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: Okay, so you thought he was going to be really good.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 6: I think everybody thought he was going to be really
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 6: good for it, but he did. Yeah, I mean he's
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 6: number one pick in the draft.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 5: I don't know anybody who was on the record. Doesn't
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 5: mean every other prospect.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, so right, so you pick a quarterback this year,
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: it doesn't work out, So waiting a year is going
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: to make it different.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 6: No, I'm just not giving up a king's ransom to
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 6: pick one player. I'm just not doing it.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: I I if you really think the guy is the guy,
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: go get him, Go get him because he's not going
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: to be there.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 6: Next I just think it's great to have that kind
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 6: of conviction, the amount of times that that kind of
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 6: conviction actually works out.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 5: I need another. I need the parameters. Like it's one
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 5: thing to say I need the King's ransom, but what
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 5: is the.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: King giving up? Mike Ditka, you know the Saints.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 5: I'd be more apt to do that than like the
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 5: two ones, two two's and stuff that really takes to
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 5: do that stuff, right if you're.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 10: Also also was a guy wanted to play it one
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 10: more thing, like for example, like you know, we just
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 10: saw the Bills game.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 5: We just saw the Bill game, right, Yep.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 10: The reason why those guys are able to play as
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 10: aggressive as they were playing because they realized that there's
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 10: somebody on the office that scares them. I mean, most
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 10: things can do that because I mean, if you actually
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 10: look at it, the way they're playing defensively, I don't
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 10: think they playing against the Bangels with Jamar chasing those guys.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 10: I don't think they play against Miami like that.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 5: I kind of think they do what they do and.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 10: The way they playing them because there's nobody on offense
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 10: that scares them.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean there's no question that they've they've had
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 5: a lot of teams that have locked down on them.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: Defense, No question, they play up. They don't worry about anything. Yep,
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: all right, thanks Sean, appreciate the call. Let's go to
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: Robert and Tennessee. What's up Robert?
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 15: Hey, how are y'all doing?
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 15: I got a couple of questions. One is I never
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 15: hear any negative stuff from you all about the Belichick boys,
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 15: about this Belichick son, Can you kind of give me
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 15: an idea what the league feels about them? Kind of
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 15: can you give me just like an idea? Are they
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 15: good coaches?
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 17: Do they do a good job?
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: I see, I can't.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 5: I can't.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: I can't give you an idea because I don't know.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 5: I don't know what the league.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: We've said it before. You know, like if Steve wants
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: to really make a name for himself, he has to
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: get out from under his dad and kind of do
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: it on his own. Because right now on this team,
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: nobody has the title of defensive coordinator Gerard or Steve.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: And you know, so you don't know who's really doing
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: what in this defense. It's still Bill, you know, I
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: don't know. The only thing we know for a fact
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: is that Steve calls the plays.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 7: On the sideline, and that we know that, and that's
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 7: got holes in both of Gerard and Steve's resume where
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 7: you don't know if Steve can cut up, command a room,
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 7: present a game plan, and you don't know if Gerrod
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 7: can call a game, and you know, and those.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 4: Things, and that's in parts of their experience.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: We talked about it at the top of the show,
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: and I speculated that maybe the reason why some guys
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: at the after the Bills game were calling out Girod
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: and I think at least one called out Steve is
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: to give them some props because you know, you really
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: don't know what they're doing all year, and maybe they decided, hey,
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: let's mention these guys because they've been doing a great job,
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: and you know, they don't really get mentioned, you know,
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: after games, so maybe you know, that's that was just
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: my speculation.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 6: I think, you know, just talking to the players about
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 6: those two. Gerard is considered to be almost like a
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 6: big brother to most of the players in the locker room.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 5: You know, really a player's coach.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 15: He's got a lot of energy and charismatic and things
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 15: like that. I just I just never, y'all, never do trash,
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 15: But that seems to be very popular of like, can
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 15: we get a coach in here and not just have
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 15: his son do it? But I don't think they're doing
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 15: I can't really tell what they're doing, but they don't
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 15: think like they're doing a horrible job.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: No, I think I think. I agree, I think they're
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: doing collectively, they're doing a good job.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 5: I mean I would also say that, like, you know,
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 5: Evan watches the film and he breaks down the games,
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 5: and I quite often you said it twice today, I've
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 5: heard you be critical of the play calling and that's Steve. Yeah.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 6: I think on defense, the defensive play call, Steve is
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 6: a good play caller for the most part. I think
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 6: he falls into two traps. One one, he gets a
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 6: little bit too aggressive when he doesn't need to be aggressive,
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 6: Like Colin covers zero. I'm sorry, but it's first and
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 6: ten at the Buffalo thirty six yard line. They haven't
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 6: driven the ball on your defense all day long, and
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 6: you call an all out blitz with all this space
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 6: for Kyle dugger to cover Dalton Kincaid and he gets
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 6: beat for fifty one yard catch, Like is that?
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 6: Could Kyle Duggar have covered the play a little bit better?
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 6: Or could they have obviously or could they have gotten there? Sure,
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 6: But I hated the call the third down play on
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 6: the final drive of the game.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 5: For Buffalo.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 6: They're playing man to man on third down the entire game,
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 6: So on that down he called cover two and they're
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 6: the middle of the field wide open for Khaliol security
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 6: to just catch like a little dump off from Josh Josh.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 5: That play bugged me because I just would have thought, like, Okay,
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 5: I've watched a lot of Buffalo, this is where the
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 5: only way Buffalo's getting this is if Josh Allen does
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 5: a Superman and breaks three tackles and gets the first down.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 5: And to have him just get the snap and as
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 5: easily as that, yeah, throw an easy pass that anybody
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 5: could have completed, was like eye opening, especially on a
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 5: day where I felt like the Page's defense played pretty well.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 5: I just thought situationally, they really let him down.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 6: To Buffalo's credit, they had the perfect play call on
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 6: for the zone that the Patriots played. They had, you know,
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 6: Kincaid run through the shoot and clear out the middle
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 6: of the field and then Shakura just filled it in
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 6: underneath and it was just wide open. But I just
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 6: they kind of disguised it in the back end and
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 6: made it look like man pre snap and then they
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 6: fell into cover two post snap. And I think that
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 6: was one play where he probably just out foxed himself,
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 6: you know, he was trying to out fox Josh Allen
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 6: and give him a different one.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 5: Well, and maybe that's you know, maybe unfair because on
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 5: a day where I think he more than more often
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 5: than not outfox the Bills.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 15: Yeah, what about Brian Belichick.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: That's another one.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 5: He was hurt, you know, sounds he missed he started
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 5: on pup.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he missed like the first I don't know, five
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: or six games because he did have an accident in
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: the offseason where he couldn't be here. But I've always
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: looked at him as a smart kid. I remember seeing
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: him when he was just a little kid walking around
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: with a clipboard, following his dad around, taking notes like
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: he grew up at his father's knee, and I gotta
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: imagine some of that rubbed off on him. I'll bet
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: you he's got a future too.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 6: On game to he's up in the coach's box Robert
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 6: and he he's he's charting the plays and then he
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 6: radios down to Steve and talks to Steve about how
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 6: the game is declaring right, like, this is what they're
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 6: trying to do to us. These are the plays that
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  Speaker 6: we can see from the bird's eye view a little
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  Speaker 6: bit better than maybe you can see on the sideline.
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  Speaker 6: So I would say Brian is a really like detail
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  Speaker 6: oriented guy, like he's got that from his dad, where
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  Speaker 6: Like he can see formations and concepts and like be
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  Speaker 6: able to script those and write those down. Whereas I
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  Speaker 6: think Steve is a pretty good, like broad, big picture
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  Speaker 6: X's and O's type of guy, which is why I
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  Speaker 6: think he's, you know, a pretty good play caller.
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  Speaker 1: Take him as a package.
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  Speaker 7: If they were on the offensive side of the ball,
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  Speaker 7: I think, you know, you might get more of what
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  Speaker 7: the caller is looking for.
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  Speaker 4: But it's like, how do you rail on them? I mean,
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  Speaker 4: play call, sure, but I don't think you guys never
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 4: rail on them and.
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  Speaker 5: Say we never criticize them. What exactly do they do?
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 5: I think I don't, But we don't criticize anybody on
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  Speaker 5: offense either, And I think and I think they're having
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  Speaker 5: a miserable year.
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  Speaker 1: No, we criticize people on offense. Are you kids?
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  Speaker 5: Troy Brown? Okay, I'll just speak for myself coach.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, but like not talking about the coaches,
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: the defensive line and you know, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know what they're what they do. Like I
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  Speaker 5: don't know if Billy Yates is any good. I don't
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  Speaker 5: the evidence suggested.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, but I think you can look and easily
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 5: fall into the trap of oh, the wide receiver coach
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 5: of Minnesota must be really good, because Justin Jefferson is
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 5: like the greatest wide receiver I've ever seen. I don't
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 5: know if he's any good, just like the Patriots wide
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 5: receivers are not very good. Is that because Troy Brown stinks?
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  Speaker 7: I don't know, no, but I but I would say,
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  Speaker 7: like the defense has been generally pretty good, and we
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 7: have definitely talked about Toroy Brown and the issues of
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 7: the coaching and the offensive line, and you know, with
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 7: any Cincerian, I mean, those things have come up, not
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  Speaker 7: to say that they get put in the cross theirs.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 7: So the defense has been pretty good, the safeties have
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 7: been pretty good.
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  Speaker 5: The special teams. You are correct. I have been that
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 5: you are right when I'm wrong, I have to say
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 5: I'm wrong, you are right. I have criticized Joe Judge.
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  Speaker 9: To have multiple people coaching special teams and they still
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 9: be this bad is not good.
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  Speaker 4: To change it.
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  Speaker 6: I ask a lot of questions about the coaching staff
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 6: because I think that there's so little information that Bill
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 6: puts out about what these guys do, and the roles
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 6: and responsibilities are so blurred, and anytime you ever ask
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 6: him about it, it's like, well, it's a team effort.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 6: It's a team effort. Everybody plays a role, the YadA
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  Speaker 6: YadA YadA.
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  Speaker 5: So it makes it difficult.
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  Speaker 6: And I just think, you know, the guys that have
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 6: straints obviously, and you know, on the defensive side of
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 6: the ball, I would say, you know, Mayo, Covington, Pellegrino,
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 6: those guys are really good at coaching technique coaching. You know,
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 6: put your hand here instead of there, and it's going
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 6: to be you know, that sort of thing. And then
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 6: you have like kind of the big picture guys like Steve,
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 6: who are more of like the seeing the forest, and
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 6: I think that everybody does have an individual role in
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 6: that respect. And you know, Gerard is really good at
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 6: watching film and seeing like all right, you know this
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 6: guy likes to do this type of thing or you know,
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 6: that type of thing. Because he played, so he can
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 6: look at it and see where guys look uncomfortable versus
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  Speaker 6: So I think that that's you know, why it works
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 6: in a lot of ways on that side of the
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 6: ball is because everybody has their strengths. You know, Steve's
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 6: not really as much of like a raw ra gay
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 6: up and in front of the room type of guy.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 6: But gerad Is is somebody that can carry your room
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 6: and can demand attention. So it ends up working out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Ryan and Connecticut. I got to shake hands with
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  Speaker 1: Paul this Friday night.
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  Speaker 5: I would remember that PAULI.
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  Speaker 1: I was a little star struck, to say the least.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: I had to explain to my girlfriend that Paul is
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: the one on the radio who likes to argue and
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: drink diet pepsi all the time.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 3: Oh wait, so was this on a Christmas on the Christmas.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 5: On the trolley? Absolutely, I think it was off the
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 5: trolley at the time.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: But yeah, oh I thought you were doing an appearance.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 5: Oh no, no, no, eat and greet. This was what
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 5: led to my my infamous tweet.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: With one more regular season game to go, do you
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: have any opinions on what will happen with DeMarcus Covington.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: With Mayo ahead of Covington in the pecking order, it
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 1: would seem like his have to defensive coordinator could be
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: blocked in New England. He also he made it as
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: an honorable mention in Pelli Sero's article about future NFL
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: head coaches back in November.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we talked a little bit about him.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure. I'm not sure.
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 7: I mean, he might be the right guy that's kind
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 7: of out of the crosshairs a little bit, but I
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 7: think he's a really talented coach. I just I mean,
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 7: I guess my only concern with him would just be
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 7: I mean, certainly he's coached the defensive line. He understands
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 7: the front, but so much goes into the secondary and
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 7: and coordinating that, and I think that's a really big
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 7: piece of the puzzle with the next thing.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 5: It all depends on what happens. I think it's it's
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 5: I know it sounds like a cop out, but when
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 5: you don't know exactly who the next coach is gonna be,
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 5: Like if if Bill's here, you know, you could definitely
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 5: see him maybe trying to get himself out there and
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 5: defensive coordinator interviews. But if Bill leaves a he might
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 5: have an opportunity to stay here as defensive coordinator, and
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 5: if not, then definitely he's going to be on the
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 5: circuit for defensive coordinator openings because they, I mean, everybody
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 5: fixates on the head coach openings, there will be openings
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 5: with the coordinators as well.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I think he deserves a lot of credit though, because
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 6: the defensive line has been by far the best position
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 6: group on the the run defense is like without question, Yeah,
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 6: and those guys are developing, like Christian Barmore has taken
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 6: a huge leap. But I think Kean White's getting better
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 6: here later in the year. Anthony Jennings has stepped right
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 6: in, and that's one of his guys. As he told me
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 6: that I didn't know anything, and then Anthony Jenks meets
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 6: with him.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 5: But yeah, those guys, all those.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 6: Guys have played above expectations.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 5: That's true.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll tell you later.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: So I'm looking for a little inside information. We're all
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: talking about Bill and whether or not he might come.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 5: Back or not allowed to share.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: We don't really know, but Paul, you might have some
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: inside information. What's the deal with Hardy? Is he coming
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: back next year with us.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 5: To be determined. Oh so he has not No, okay,
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 5: he hasn't completely shut the door, and he would very
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 5: much be interested in Like he got mad because Mike
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 5: and I was sort of like wishing him well and
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 5: he's like whoa Like I said, well, you know that
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 5: Fred told you you have this job for life if
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 5: you want it. I did, And he's like, oh oh oh, well,
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 5: uh you know how he likes to work it like, well, Fred,
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 5: anything to make.
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 4: Maybe maybe we see how many night games there are.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 5: So my guess is we will be looking for a
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 5: new host because it's going to be too much too.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: Well, that was my assumption. But I don't want to
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: I have.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 5: Some I have. I've got some thoughts that I can
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 5: share with you off air. Okay, all right, I have
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 5: a king that I could be making as usual.
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, well listen, I just thought i'd close
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: that off for people to think about.
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 4: It's another big thing for the weekend, though Fred's.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 6: Some say it's the biggest last of all.
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 5: This will be known as the Hardy game.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 3: This might be the Slater game, could be the slater game.
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 5: That man talk to David Andrew. Seems like everybody's like
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 5: I don't know last year you might know a little something,
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 5: you guys, afraid he'd be afraid to share with the
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 5: rest of the class.
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 4: It just looks so exhausted from this season.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 7: Like I just I just wonder at a certain point,
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 7: and I don't know, as a professional athlete, you put
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 7: it on the line every week and so much goes
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 7: into it is you know what points you just say, you.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 5: Know what, that's right, high high level.
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 7: But but you know it's I mean, it was funny
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 7: just even seeing him and bergeron talk and how like
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 7: they were, you know, personally, he's like you you stay
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 7: here this long, like Burgeon comp believe the hours of
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 7: a football team and it's a lot, and he's won
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 7: championships and he's gotten beat up and he's got a
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 7: young family, and you know, I don't know, I just
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 7: it wouldn't it wouldn't surprise me that he doesn't want
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 7: to stick around for a whole new thing.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 1: All Right, that's gonna do it for this edition of
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