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OJ SIMPSON DEAD, EN ROUTE TO HELL TONIGHT! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Oorenthal James Simpson dead aka
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Speaker 1: oj aka the Jews, so many other names, former Heisman
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Speaker 1: Trophy winner, but he may be best known for this.
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Speaker 2: Listen in a matter of the People of the State
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Speaker 2: of California versus Orenthal James Simpson, case number b A
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Speaker 2: zero ninety seven two one one, we the jury and
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Speaker 2: the Ambulveden Title Action find the defendant, Orenthal James Simpson,
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Speaker 2: not guilty of a crime of murder in violation of
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Speaker 2: penal cult Section one eighty seven a A felony upon
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Speaker 2: Nicole Brown Simpson. I.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories O. J. Simpson on
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Speaker 1: his way to hell right now. But I play that
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Speaker 1: not guilty verdict because seemingly that has overshadowed everything else
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Speaker 1: he has ever done in his life. You know, it's
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Speaker 1: often said that the Lord loves a sinner, that's a
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Speaker 1: ciner that repents. But how did Simpson live his life
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Speaker 1: after that moment when he snatched the Golden Ring, when
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Speaker 1: he won the lottery with that not guilty verdict? The
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Speaker 1: same as he did before. No change, no apology, no repentance,
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Speaker 1: no reformation, no doing good works. As a matter of fact,
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Speaker 1: he continued to live his life boozing, drugging, sex, assaulting women,
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Speaker 1: beating them, stealing, mooching, and trying to live off his
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Speaker 1: past glory as a football star. And somehow it seemed
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Speaker 1: to worry. He got standing ovations every time he entered
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Speaker 1: a restaurant or a bar, free court, side seats, you
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Speaker 1: name it, special treatment. Wherever he went, women throwing themselves
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Speaker 1: at Simpson. Why. I don't know. I'm just a trial lawyer,
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Speaker 1: not a shrink, but I know this. He murdered you people,
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Speaker 1: and there's something else.
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Speaker 3: Listen, this is OJ Simpson's one day in court.
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Speaker 4: By your decision, you control of his very life in
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Speaker 4: your hands. Treated carefully, treated fairly, be fair, don't be
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Speaker 4: part of this, continue and cover up, do the right thing,
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Speaker 4: remembering that if it doesn't fit, you must have quit.
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Speaker 1: Okay, you know not many phrases can actually make me
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Speaker 1: feel nauseous, but that's one of them. Joining me an
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Speaker 1: all star panel to make sense of what we know
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Speaker 1: right now. But first I want to go to a
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Speaker 1: special guest, a long time and dear friend of Nicole Brown's,
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Speaker 1: Keith Zlamsowitch. You can find him at Keith z k
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Speaker 1: at aol dot com. Keith, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: You and Nicole were romantically linked for a long time,
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Speaker 1: and you remained friends throughout her life. She told you
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Speaker 1: a lot about OJ Simpson before she was murdered. What
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Speaker 1: sticks out in your mind?
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Speaker 5: She told me about all the violence that predicated us meeting.
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Speaker 5: We actually had numerous instances of confrontation with OJ, face
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Speaker 5: to face threats, stalking. But when I first met Nicole,
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Speaker 5: she she clued me in on a lot of stuff
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Speaker 5: that happened in there Trier that she never really told people.
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Speaker 5: I think partially embarrassed that she allowed it to happen.
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Speaker 5: I'm her hardest to get out of the situation, so
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Speaker 5: I unfortunately knew a lot of the horrible details about
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Speaker 5: her situation and then lived it for several years up
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Speaker 5: until her murder.
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Speaker 1: When you say, Keith Zlovsowitch, that you had numerous confrontations
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Speaker 1: with Simpson, what do you mean by that, Well, it started.
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Speaker 5: I met Nicole in the winter of ninety two in Aspen,
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Speaker 5: and I didn't know who she was when I first
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Speaker 5: met her. Really care told me that she was divorcing
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Speaker 5: her husband. He was abusive, so she started to fill
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Speaker 5: me in on that kind of thing. She knew I
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Speaker 5: had the restaurants in Los Angeles, so I'd be visiting
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Speaker 5: out there soon after the initial weekend that we met.
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Speaker 5: So we connected immediately upon me arriving to town, and
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Speaker 5: the first night or two she came to visit one
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Speaker 5: of my restaurants, Mets Luna and Beverly Hills. We had
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Speaker 5: a big Tuesday night event that we did every week,
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Speaker 5: so she brought some friends and it started instantly. The
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Speaker 5: first night I ived him down, I went to visit
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Speaker 5: her at her house and we got thirty forty NonStop
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Speaker 5: phone calls hang ups, so we were convinced we were
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Speaker 5: being watched immediately from that point. A night or two later,
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Speaker 5: when she joined me at Metsalouna and Beverly Hills with
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Speaker 5: some of her girlfriends, OJ showed up almost instantly, you know,
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Speaker 5: came pulling up in his Bentley and squealed the tires
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Speaker 5: in front of the restaurant and slammed the door. Came
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Speaker 5: barging in right up to our table and slammed his
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Speaker 5: fist down on the table and proclaimed that he was
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Speaker 5: OJ Simpson and she was still his wife. So that
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Speaker 5: was the first instance, and then it was followed by
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Speaker 5: numerous other ones. Every time we went out he would
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Speaker 5: show up at whatever restaurant or bar. And then there's
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Speaker 5: the famous night that he followed us home from Roxbury.
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Speaker 5: We were at one night and watched us engaging in
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Speaker 5: an activity through the window of her house. We both
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Speaker 5: know that he tried to get in, but the house
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Speaker 5: was locked and alarms were set, and he approached the
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Speaker 5: next day.
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Speaker 1: Okay, white white, white, kath kaith I assume that this
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Speaker 1: is the now famous incident or Simpson comes up to
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Speaker 1: Nichole's house and this is after they've broken up, and
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Speaker 1: is looking in the window and sees you guys making
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Speaker 1: out kissing and does the backflip.
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Speaker 5: Essentially, we were unaware that he was outside the house,
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Speaker 5: but we knew that he had followed us that evening.
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Speaker 5: We were at several different places and he showed up
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Speaker 5: at them all. So Nicole just looked at me at
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Speaker 5: one point and said, let's just go home.
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Speaker 3: So we went home.
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Speaker 5: We engaged in some activity in the downstairs living room,
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Speaker 5: unawares outside watching us. We found out the next day
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Speaker 5: when he showed up the house and her and I
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Speaker 5: were in one of the back rooms and he burst
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Speaker 5: in the door, got in my face, started threatening and
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Speaker 5: screaming and yelling, and you know, tried to get her along,
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Speaker 5: which she was standing behind me. I was in between
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Speaker 5: the two of them, so she was holding my hand
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Speaker 5: and I could feel her trembling. It was just it
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Speaker 5: was a volatile situation and it could have gone either way.
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Speaker 5: He wanted to be left alone with her, and I wasn't.
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Speaker 5: I wasn't having any of that at that point. I
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Speaker 5: was aware of what had happened in the past, so
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Speaker 5: I was scared for her safety and obviously my own.
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Speaker 5: So we argued for several minutes until she convinced me
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Speaker 5: to wait outside the door, but stay close. She made
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Speaker 5: a very clear stay with an earshot so he could
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Speaker 5: you know, read her the riot act as he used
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Speaker 5: to doing. So that was the day after he watched
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Speaker 5: us through the house and I could hear him screaming,
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Speaker 5: you know how he watched us through the window and he.
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Speaker 6: Followed us home.
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Speaker 5: So it's a bad scene too.
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Speaker 1: Then on trial lawyer with her own unique connection to A. J.
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Speaker 1: Simpson and A. C. Collings defense attorney in the Atlanta jurisdiction,
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Speaker 1: Rene Rockwell you and I both tried a lot of cases,
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Speaker 1: and could you just take off your defense hat for
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Speaker 1: just one moment and speak the truth? And what universe
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Speaker 1: is Nicole Brown's killer? Not the same man that is
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Speaker 1: stalking her and following her and attacking her even after
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Speaker 1: they've broken up.
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Speaker 7: Well, Nancy as not a defense attorney. Of course, he's
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Speaker 7: the usual and likely suspect. But here's a case where
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Speaker 7: the jury has punished the state for the actions of
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Speaker 7: the police.
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Speaker 1: Okay, you know, I know what you're doing. Bobby Chaconne
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Speaker 1: joining me from a special agent with the FBI screenwriter
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Speaker 1: Criminal Minds. You can find him at Bobby Chcne dot com. Bobby,
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Speaker 1: you hear what she just did, right? She processed what
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Speaker 1: I said, admitted it to be true that Simpson is
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Speaker 1: the killer, because who else would it be other than
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Speaker 1: the man, other than the man that is stalking her
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Speaker 1: and beating her and busting into the room with another
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Speaker 1: guy there after they've broken up. But she said, instead,
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Speaker 1: don't look at that, look at this. Look what the
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Speaker 1: police did. What did the police do? They did nothing?
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Speaker 1: You actually think there's some big conspiracy that they all
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Speaker 1: got together and said, hey, let's frame our favorite football star,
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Speaker 1: you know, the Heisman Trophy winner, that guy. Yeah, let's
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Speaker 1: frame him. That was all BS. I asked Johnny Cockr,
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Speaker 1: My former co anchor, one million times. Simpson did it?
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Speaker 1: He did it? Didn't he? Cochrane would never say no.
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Speaker 1: He always said, and Johnny Coffry, and God rest his soul.
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Speaker 1: You know I'm telling the truth. He always said, Bobby
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Speaker 1: Jerry acquitted him.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 8: Well, there's an old axiom that we just saw in
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Speaker 8: play that says, if you can't attack the facts, you
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Speaker 8: attack the police. It's very popular in the defense bark
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Speaker 8: and obviously you gave a bunch of facts stalking, beating, three, threatening,
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Speaker 8: and then the defense attorney attacks the police. That's a
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Speaker 8: very common axiom of the defense bar And what you
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Speaker 8: saw in the Johnny Cochrane clip that you ran, he
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Speaker 8: first started his closing argument saying this is OJ Simpson,
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Speaker 8: and then he says I want him treated fairly. And
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Speaker 8: then you heard Keith say OJ walked into a restaurant,
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Speaker 8: banged his hand on a table and said I'm OJ Simpson.
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Speaker 8: Johnny Conchrane didn't want him treated fairly. He wanted him
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Speaker 8: treated as O. J. Simpson, the endeared athlete and celebrity
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Speaker 8: that he was. So this ridiculous assertion that I want
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Speaker 8: him treated like anybody else. That wasn't the defense position.
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Speaker 8: The defense started the closing argument saying, this is OJ Simpson.
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Speaker 8: Treat him like the beloved athlete and celebrity that you
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Speaker 8: know him to be. And so fairness went out the
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Speaker 8: window this.
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Speaker 1: Day, the day that OJ Simpson is on his way
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Speaker 1: to hell. He is still being lauded as a football icon,
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Speaker 1: a star. But this is how I remember him.
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Speaker 9: Listen, my house, what's the problem or my ex husband
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Speaker 9: or my husband just broke into my house and he's
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Speaker 9: ranting and raving.
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Speaker 10: Now he's just walked out in the front yard and
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Speaker 10: he didn't drinking or anything. No, but he's crazy is
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Speaker 10: he's not going to black?
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Speaker 1: What's your wearing right now?
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Speaker 10: My pants and a golf shirt.
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Speaker 1: And he said he hasn't been drinking.
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Speaker 10: Get you, No, he haven't send her against No, what's
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Speaker 10: your name? Nicole Simpsons marriages three two five gretton a
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Speaker 10: green Way that has an apartment as a house.
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Speaker 11: Please thank you.
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Speaker 1: Oh and that's not all.
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Speaker 9: Listen someone over here now three two five grett and
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Speaker 9: a green He's back he's okay, what.
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Speaker 10: Okay, Jimson? I think you know his record?
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Speaker 9: If you over here? What is he doing there? Over
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Speaker 9: he's in a white frocks. Look for that to or
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Speaker 9: I'll give in Wait a minute, what's your name? Either
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Speaker 9: sports counter or whatever? Yeah, wait a minute.
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Speaker 10: Something about some DIA and it's and joining me right now.
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Speaker 1: Special guest Shannon Henry, President, founder of sass S a
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Speaker 1: s s S Surviving Assault Standing Strong Shannon Henry Did
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Speaker 1: you hear there? At the end, she says, this is
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Speaker 1: all my fault. She's got Simpson breaking down the door.
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Speaker 1: We've seen so many shots of Nicole Brown beaten up
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Speaker 1: to a pulp, and she says, it's all it's my fault.
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Speaker 1: I'm the reason this is happening.
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Speaker 6: To me, right And it's true so many survivors try
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Speaker 6: to navigate the way that these abusers are abusing them.
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Speaker 6: It's you know, they're making sure that they're not sleeping,
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Speaker 6: they're controlling finances, they're physically abusing them, mentally abusing them.
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Speaker 6: There's so many different things. You can't wear this, you
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Speaker 6: can't go out with this person. And so what you
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Speaker 6: see there is her going gosh, I've tried so hard
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Speaker 6: to manage the way that he treated me, but inevitably
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Speaker 6: it's always out of control because he's Oj Simpson and
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Speaker 6: this is what he does.
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Speaker 1: Shannon Henry, I was trying to get it out of
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Speaker 1: Renee Rockwell, who has tried so many many cases, including
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Speaker 1: cases where there are there's domestic violence. But Shannon, is
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Speaker 1: there any universe where the man that repeatedly stalks, beats
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Speaker 1: the victim is not the man that kills her? That
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Speaker 1: is crazy talk.
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Speaker 9: It is talk.
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Speaker 6: And we know that people like this in general do
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Speaker 6: not change. They're going to keep this pattern of behavior
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Speaker 6: which always increases with intensity and frequency over time. And
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Speaker 6: then you see that, you know, those wires in his
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Speaker 6: mind are crossed so far back. His feelings, his safety,
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Speaker 6: his emotions are first and foremost his priority, not hers,
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Speaker 6: and it never will be. And you can say, well,
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Speaker 6: can we get therapy, can we do all the things
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Speaker 6: to try to make this better, But again, those wires
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Speaker 6: across so far back, and it's kind of like, if
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Speaker 6: she were to stay with him, it's like putting an
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Speaker 6: alcoholic in a bar and saying, don't drink. He is
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Speaker 6: more in love. She may have been in love with him,
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Speaker 6: but he is more in love with controlling her than
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Speaker 6: he ever was with her herself, and so they had
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Speaker 6: two different definitions of love. She truly wanted to love him.
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Speaker 6: She tried to stay from the age of eighteen until
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Speaker 6: he murdered her at thirty five.
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Speaker 9: And my emergency, someone over here now for three two five? Gretton,
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Speaker 9: agree he's back?
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Speaker 12: Please? Okay?
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Speaker 9: What does he look like?
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Speaker 10: Okay Simpson? I think you know his record.
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Speaker 9: I'll be over here. Okay, what is he doing there?
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Speaker 9: Throw him over? Wait a minute? What kind of cry?
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Speaker 9: He's in a white broncle for that. Wait a minute?
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Speaker 9: What's your name?
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Speaker 10: Okay?
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Speaker 9: Is he's the sports canter or whatever?
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Speaker 6: Yeah?
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Speaker 9: Okay, wait a minute, what's what is he doing?
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Speaker 12: You? O? J?
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Speaker 1: Simpson dead? But his legacy and for those of you
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Speaker 1: that can't see me, can only hear me. I'm definitely
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Speaker 1: using air quote. His legacy lives on. What legacy is that? No,
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Speaker 1: not of a gridiron great, a Heisman Trophy winner, a
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Speaker 1: loving father and husband. His legacy is getting away with
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Speaker 1: murder and then seemingly living the high life for the
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Speaker 1: rest of his life after kicking Lady Justice in the teeth.
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Speaker 1: A lot is being made of his football career and
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Speaker 1: what a quote legend he is. But I want to
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Speaker 1: show you something. This is the reality of OJ Simpson.
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Speaker 1: I want to warn you. This is graphic content. Prime
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Speaker 1: scene photos from the night of a double murder. Nicole
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Speaker 1: Brown left lying outside her home covered in blood, and
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Speaker 1: from what we've learned from the autopsy report, her head
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Speaker 1: was barely still on her body. Ron Goldman horribly, horribly
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Speaker 1: sliced and stabbed. This is what Oj Simpson is, murder
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Speaker 1: and desecration. And the suggestion that the police somehow formed
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Speaker 1: a conspiracy to frame a football star is just more
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Speaker 1: crazy talk. Somehow my old co anchor, Johnny Cochran managed
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Speaker 1: to pull it off. Did you see the look on
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Speaker 1: all the lawyers faces when they not guilty was announced?
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Speaker 1: You're like, what did you hear? That? Joining you right now?
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Speaker 1: In addition to Nicole's longtime friend Keith zlamswitch Fornee Rockwell,
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Speaker 1: Bobby Chaconne, Shennon Henry, doctor Jory Crafsen, Art Harris with me,
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Speaker 1: former CNN national investigative correspondent who was on the Simpson
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Speaker 1: case as it unfolded. You know the problem now, Art
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Speaker 1: is that I don't think the victims have anywhere to
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Speaker 1: put their anger and their grief. You know, at first
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Speaker 1: there was the trial. They got through the trial. Then
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Speaker 1: there was the civil trial, which they won after Sebstance
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Speaker 1: scored what a negative forty on its light detector, caught
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Speaker 1: in one lie after the next after the next, including
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Speaker 1: those Bruno molly shoes. The bloody footprints clearly were Bruno o' molly's.
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Speaker 1: He said he didn't own any and then they were
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Speaker 1: found in a photo from the Inquirer. I mean, there's
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Speaker 1: just so many lies about that night. So they get
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Speaker 1: through the civil trial, they win, they go on a
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Speaker 1: crusade for justice. Simpson is dead. There's nothing to fight anymore.
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Speaker 1: It's over. And to me that that really takes wind
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Speaker 1: out of their sails. And it's just another reminder that
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Speaker 1: Ron Goleman and Nicole Brown are never coming back.
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Speaker 3: So O J.
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Speaker 13: Simpson was was a jock obsessed with with someone he
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Speaker 13: believed he owned, and that was Nicole he was. He
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Speaker 13: was enraged that she was driving a white Ferrari he
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Speaker 13: bought around Beverly Hills, around Matsalona and going to visit
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Speaker 13: you know, Ron Goldman. He was following them everywhere and
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Speaker 13: so you know, the night that they had they were visiting,
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Speaker 13: and and she put candles out and made it try
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Speaker 13: to make it special for someone she found very special,
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Speaker 13: who later would try to come between her and a
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Speaker 13: knife and O. J. Simpson, you know this is this
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Speaker 13: is a crazy totally. I mean the guy was obviously associopath,
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Speaker 13: but also a psychopath. I mean he had no he know,
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Speaker 13: no compassion. I mean, if you can do this to
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Speaker 13: the mother of your children, what what can't you do?
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Speaker 3: Hey?
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Speaker 1: Aright, Harris, I got a question for you. You did a
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Speaker 1: lot of investigative reporting, You did a lot of digging
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Speaker 1: during the trial. Okay, Simpson is dead. How about the truth.
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Speaker 1: Isn't it true that that night, the Knight of the murders,
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Speaker 1: he was high as a kite on drugs, possibly met.
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Speaker 3: Well and he did a lot of cocaine.
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Speaker 13: And Nancy I interviewed his limousine driver who said that
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Speaker 13: if you were a friend of OJ's, he would share
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Speaker 13: his cocaine with you. His cousin, her cousin, Ralph Mauer, Uh,
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Speaker 13: did a lot of cocaine with OJ. And that was
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Speaker 13: a stumbling block in the marriage because he was you know,
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Speaker 13: he was out of it a lot, and uh and
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Speaker 13: and and you know that that drug can make you
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Speaker 13: especially enraged and if he's doing other things too. And
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Speaker 13: Nicole was not totally innocent in the party partying, but
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Speaker 13: that was something that came between them. And this is
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Speaker 13: something that yeah, he was fueled with rage and and.
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Speaker 3: And often high on cocaine.
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Speaker 13: So but if you look at the also if you
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Speaker 13: look at the bloody footprints and the walkway, police analyze
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Speaker 13: that and they they were able to to say that
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Speaker 13: this is he moved between the two people, uh, you know,
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Speaker 13: slicing and slashing and then he cut himself. All the
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Speaker 13: evidence is there, and you know, the mare never get
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Speaker 13: a Fletely Bailey. The DNA did not matter because uh,
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Speaker 13: a flee Bailey had. They had a plan to pick
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Speaker 13: jurors who who did not believe in DNA. There was
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Speaker 13: a very very callous in terms of how to pick
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Speaker 13: the right jury. That picking people who did not have
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Speaker 13: had never taken like high school science and math, and
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Speaker 13: they bored them to death. And then they used Ojay's
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Speaker 13: celebrity to to you know, to reach the verdict. He
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Speaker 13: reached out to people he'd left behind long ago. Nancy
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Speaker 13: the black community he pretended to care about, but look
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Speaker 13: at how he was living, and this was he did
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Speaker 13: not have.
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Speaker 3: You know, he was not tried by a jury of
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Speaker 3: his peers.
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Speaker 13: If he had been, he would be in It would
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Speaker 13: have been in Santa Monica because his peers were country
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Speaker 13: club golfers, and so here he was. They found the gloves.
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Speaker 13: They were his size, extra large. Nicole had gotten them
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Speaker 13: for Christmas, and you know, all the evidence was there.
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Speaker 3: It's just how do you, how do you? How do you?
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Speaker 3: How do you get over that?
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Speaker 2: State of California versus Orenthal James Simpson case number b
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Speaker 2: A zero ninety seven two one one, We, the jury
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Speaker 2: and the ambulved in title action find the defendant or
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Speaker 2: Orenthal James Simpson, not guilty of a crime of murder
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Speaker 2: in violation of Pinal Coult Section one eighty seven a
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Speaker 2: A felony upon Nicole Brown Simpson.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm just looking at Johnny Cocker when that happened.
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Speaker 1: He's like, what nobody can believe it, including me? Uh.
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Speaker 1: You know to you Renee Rockwell, high profile defense attorney
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Speaker 1: in the Atlanta jurisdiction. You call me early early this
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Speaker 1: morning to remind me about a bet, and I'm not
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Speaker 1: a person much less on a case, so I wouldn't
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Speaker 1: put any money on it. But we did do a handshake.
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Speaker 7: And Nancy, what was the bet? I bet you just
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Speaker 7: liking Michael Jackson that he was not going to get convicted.
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Speaker 7: And where does it start from the venue where the
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Speaker 7: trial was held, Nancy, Just like the relationship that was
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Speaker 7: doomed from the start, so was the trial. There was
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Speaker 7: not going to be a conviction.
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Speaker 1: Nancy. Those are two bets that I lost. And again
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Speaker 1: I'd like to reiterate, I did not put money on it.
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Speaker 1: It was a handshake in a courthouse hallway. I swore
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Speaker 1: there was no way Simpson was going to walk on
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Speaker 1: this because the evidence was so strong, and somehow, by
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Speaker 1: the time f Lee Belly and Johnny Cochran got through
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Speaker 1: with the case, everybody believed the police had taken part
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Speaker 1: in some big conspiracy. The police got put on trial
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Speaker 1: and Simpson walked. Okay, you know I heard Art Harris
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Speaker 1: talking about the crime scene and aren't Harry there have
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Speaker 1: been a lot of theories, And again, didn't you tell
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Speaker 1: me that just before the murders, Simpson was with his
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Speaker 1: dealer at a Burger King, and yes, you're right, it
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Speaker 1: was cocaine, not meth. Isn't that true? He was with
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Speaker 1: his dealer getting jacked up at a Burger King.
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Speaker 3: I believe so.
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Speaker 13: So however he got it, Nancy, he had. He had
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Speaker 13: a lot of cocaine and he would often share it
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Speaker 13: with his friends. Limousine driver told me that, and a
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Speaker 13: lot of people who were friends of his.
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Speaker 3: He was, he was. He loved a party and that's
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Speaker 3: what he did.
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Speaker 1: Well, I guess you call it partying art Harris, I
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Speaker 1: call it a felony. But that said something else you
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Speaker 1: said about the footprints. There have been a lot of
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Speaker 1: theories that's been out over the years, such as his
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Speaker 1: son was responsible, not true, that there were two attackers
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Speaker 1: not true. And you said something very critical that was
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Speaker 1: never really emphasized at trial. The footprints then went back
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Speaker 1: and forth between Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown were from
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Speaker 1: the same person. There was one pair of Bruno Mali
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Speaker 1: shughes going back and forth. There were there were no
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Speaker 1: other footprints except for one person. Isn't that true?
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Speaker 3: That's right?
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Speaker 13: And Oj cut himself in between cutting cutting the two victims.
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Speaker 13: So uh, you know they got that DNA off the
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Speaker 13: off the crime scene too, Nancy, And it was a
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Speaker 13: it was a horrific scene. And I don't know how
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Speaker 13: you get over that, but but they.
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Speaker 3: Were able to see the way that the.
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Speaker 13: Footprints moved, that that he was just going back and
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Speaker 13: forth until they bled out.
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Speaker 3: So this was.
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Speaker 1: He was high as a kite on cocaine and angry.
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Speaker 1: He was angry before he got jacked up. And when
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Speaker 1: you've got a football player of his notoriety and his
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Speaker 1: skill and his agility, as I was saying, he had
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Speaker 1: hands the size of two Virginia Ham's and then he's
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Speaker 1: already angry about Nicole Brown seeing someone else. Then he
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Speaker 1: gets cranked up on coke. What do you think is
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Speaker 1: going to happen? But if that's not enough, he apparently
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Speaker 1: is clairvoyant as well. Listen, I remember I grabbed a knife.
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Speaker 1: I do remember that portion, taking the knife from Charlie.
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Speaker 1: And to be honest, after that, I'll remember what in
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Speaker 1: the h E Double L that is from his book
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Speaker 1: if I did it. I remember I grabbed a knife.
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Speaker 1: I do remember that portion taking the knife from Charlie's Charlie,
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Speaker 1: And to be honest, after that, I don't remember joining
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Speaker 1: me right now, doctor Jory Crasing, psychologist's former law enforcement
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Speaker 1: and faculty at Saint Leo University. Doctor Jory, thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us. Why is it that so many
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Speaker 1: stone cold killers are clairvoyant? Remember Scott Paterson said to
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Speaker 1: his girlfriend, Yeah, it's going to be the first Christmas
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Speaker 1: I have without my wife. She died and then boom,
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Speaker 1: it became true. And here you have Simpson having a
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Speaker 1: dream of sorts about killing Nicole and it matched up
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Speaker 1: exactly with the facts. Wow, some of those are like delusions, definitely.
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Speaker 14: And but can I address the thing about the cocaine,
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Speaker 14: cause I find that very interesting. Even back in that
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Speaker 14: period of time, there was a lot of cocaine in
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Speaker 14: use in this country, and here in Florida we experienced
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Speaker 14: several cases of what's called cocaine toxicity, that's like an overdose,
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Speaker 14: but then the cocaine actually becomes toxic in the system
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Speaker 14: and it starts to create this hypervigilance and psychologically moves
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Speaker 14: them into psychosis. And when you look at this attack,
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Speaker 14: how aggressive and violent was you know, that's outside the
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Speaker 14: realm of normal human behavior. That's something I would expect
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Speaker 14: to see as a psychologist, as a homicide investigator when
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Speaker 14: I worked at some substance to add to that aggression,
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Speaker 14: and that could be like cocaine definitely would fit. Methanphetamine,
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Speaker 14: phoenix cyclodine PCP would be another one.
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Speaker 15: With the jury in above entitle case. Find the defendant
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Speaker 15: Orenthal James Simpson as follows. Count one conspiracy committed crime guilty.
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Speaker 15: Count two conspiracy commit kidnapping guilty. Count three, conspiracy commit
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Speaker 15: robbery guilty. Count four Burglary while in possession of a
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Speaker 15: deadly weapon guilty. Count twelve coorsion with use of a
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Speaker 15: deadly weapon Alfred Beardsley alternative count six guilty of porsion
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Speaker 15: with use of the deadly weapon, dated this third day
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Speaker 15: of October two thousand and eight. You're number three four person,
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Speaker 15: Ladies and gentlemen, the jury are those your ritics is read?
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Speaker 15: So say you one, So say you all. As to
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Speaker 15: defendant Orenthal James Simpson.
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Speaker 1: Yes, thank you, mister Simpson.
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Speaker 7: Home suit.
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Speaker 1: So this guy wins the jackpot, right, he gets a
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Speaker 1: not guilty on a double murder when he so clearly
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Speaker 1: did it. His blood at the crime scene when he
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Speaker 1: cut himself. As Art Harris just reminded us, he has
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Speaker 1: the bloody shoes, the Bruno Molli shoes, that the footprints
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Speaker 1: were at the scene. The victim's blood was on his
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Speaker 1: socks found in his home. He did it. So what
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Speaker 1: does he do after that? Does he reform? Does he say, oh,
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Speaker 1: thank you God in heaven. I'm going to lead a
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Speaker 1: life to honor you, or to make up to the victims,
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Speaker 1: to make up to crime victims, to make up to
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Speaker 1: batter women. No, he keeps on boozing, drugging, chasing every
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Speaker 1: Nicole Brown look like he can find, sex assaulting them.
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Speaker 1: There are reports that he would walk up to Nicole
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Speaker 1: Brown in public, in public at restaurants and bars and
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Speaker 1: grab her by her crotch in front of people. The
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Speaker 1: beatings go on and on with different women. I'm sure
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Speaker 1: you're all familiar with that. Instead of changing his life,
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Speaker 1: accepting responsibility, maybe even apologizing. Hey, he could have even
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Speaker 1: blamed his drug habit. A lot of people would have
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Speaker 1: bought into that, but no, he did none of that. Instead,
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Speaker 1: Art Harris, he teams up with a former co defendant.
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Speaker 1: I believe you're familiar with Charles Arlick aka Charlie Tuna
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Speaker 1: that I tried in Inner City Atlanta and put away
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Speaker 1: for cocaine for twenty years for trafficking in cocaine. He
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Speaker 1: was a rich playboy at the time that lived in
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Speaker 1: a high rise on Peachtree Street right across from Lindburgh,
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Speaker 1: and a big hunk of uncut cocaine was delivered to
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Speaker 1: his place and I got him. He gets out of
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Speaker 1: jail early art and somehow, out of all the places
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Speaker 1: in the world, he makes his way to OJ Simpson
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Speaker 1: and what do they do? Come in an armed robbery
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Speaker 1: in Vegas, amazing Nathy.
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Speaker 13: He was there to reclaim, he said, memorabilia that had
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Speaker 13: been you know, sold out from under him and that
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Speaker 13: he felt entitled to so.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 13: He was told that it was in this room. Do
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Speaker 13: you want to get into this? It was in the
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Speaker 13: room at this hotel. And he shows up with a
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Speaker 13: friend who has a gun, and suddenly, uh, he's back
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Speaker 13: in play for the for for law enforcement.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 13: He's arrested and charged with armed robbery and gets nine years.
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Speaker 13: And often people wonder, uh, you know, was this you know,
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Speaker 13: may you know make up a makeup sentence for what
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Speaker 13: he avoided? Your your friend, your colleague, Judge Glass.
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Speaker 3: Threw the book at.
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Speaker 13: Him and uh, uh you know, he was never contrite.
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Speaker 3: He was never.
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Speaker 13: You know, he always blamed the cole and as as
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Speaker 13: often happens in domestic abuse and murders. Uh, you know,
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Speaker 13: he blamed her and she it was her fault because
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Speaker 13: she was the one who made quote him mad and
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Speaker 13: she deserved it. And that's the only way he could,
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Speaker 13: you know, go on living with himself, I suppose, because
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Speaker 13: she was the woman behind his rage and you know,
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Speaker 13: was cavorting and having a normal life.
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Speaker 1: Here to Keith Zlamzowitch, Nicole Brown's boyfriend, Keith, have you
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Speaker 1: noticed how even now people steal gloss over, they airbrush
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Speaker 1: the truth about Simpson's felonies, his crimes. For instance, he
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Speaker 1: was roped in to the armed robbery in Vegas. He
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Speaker 1: was quote back in play with law enforcement. He took
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Speaker 1: things that he thought were his. That's all a lie.
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Speaker 1: He that up with a guy I put in jail
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Speaker 1: for twenty years on trafficking cocaine, and they commit an
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Speaker 1: armed robbery in Vegas on unarmed people. That's what happened.
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Speaker 1: But to hear it told, oh, he was just taking
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Speaker 1: back some pictures and memorabilia footballs that were really his
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Speaker 1: to start with, that's bs. He was still doing the
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Speaker 1: same thing.
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Speaker 5: It's a pattern that never changed from early on. And
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Speaker 5: just to clarify, Nicole and I were not dating when
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Speaker 5: she was murdered. He had forbid us to have any
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Speaker 5: contact and he threatened her pretty violently. The nine one
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Speaker 5: one teape that you played earlier in the program where
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Speaker 5: she says my name sparked an incident where he he
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Speaker 5: absolutely went ballistic over us and refused to allow her
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Speaker 5: any contact with me whatsoever for the last several months
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Speaker 5: of her life. Sadly, we had no intact because of that,
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Speaker 5: and she had tried the ill fated reconciliation with him,
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Speaker 5: but part of that deal was she was absolutely forbidden
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Speaker 5: any contact with me whatsoever.
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Speaker 3: So we had a.
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Speaker 5: Last conversation after that nine one one call she informed
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Speaker 5: me what had happened. I was out of town at
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Speaker 5: the time, so just to clarify that. But as far
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Speaker 5: as his other crimes, you know, and Charlie, there's a
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Speaker 5: school of thought out there that was proposed to me
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Speaker 5: by someone in La that Charlie from Las Vegas was
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Speaker 5: actually the Charlie mentioned in if I did it at
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Speaker 5: the scene of the crime. I mean, I know there's
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Speaker 5: no evidence to show a second person there, but there's
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Speaker 5: a theory out there that he was involved.
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Speaker 1: OJ.
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Speaker 11: Simpson was convinced the former close friend stole some personal
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Speaker 11: effects from him and was selling them through his sports
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Speaker 11: memorabilia business. So Simpson put together a group of five
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Speaker 11: men and on the night of September thirteenth, two thousand
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Speaker 11: and seven, they stormed twelve O three at the Palace
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Speaker 11: Station hotel in Las Vegas and took the items back.
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Speaker 11: Two of the five men OJ led into the hotel
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Speaker 11: room that night were carrying weapons. Within three days, all
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Speaker 11: the men were arrested. OJ was initially held without bail.
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Speaker 11: Simpson faced twelve charges in all, including kidnapping and armed robbery.
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Speaker 11: He was convicted on October third, two thousand and eight
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Speaker 11: on all charges and was sentenced to thirty three years
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Speaker 11: in prison with possible parole after nine years.
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Speaker 1: To Renee Rockwell, high profile defense lawyer joining US out
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Speaker 1: of Atlanta, I remember the chase, the Bronco chase where
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Speaker 1: I guess AJ Simpson held himself hostage. That was a
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Speaker 1: Bronco commercial with a gun to his own head. That
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Speaker 1: was a Bronco I mean, as if there were ever
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Speaker 1: any doubt of rational minds at Simpson committed double murder.
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Speaker 1: Why would you go on the run holding a gun
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Speaker 1: to your head after already threatened suicide, after the murder
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Speaker 1: of your ex wife. I mean, it's such clear evidence
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Speaker 1: of guilt. And in that car was Ac Collings.
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Speaker 7: That's true, Nancy. And let me remind you about the
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Speaker 7: thousands of people that were on the roadway with signs
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Speaker 7: we love you OJ, you know free OJ. Do you
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Speaker 7: recall that, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, thousands that were lining
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Speaker 7: the roadway.
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Speaker 1: I remember very well. They were on bridges by the road.
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Speaker 1: They even had posters already, right.
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Speaker 7: And Nancy, why would you say that people just glossed
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Speaker 7: over the armed robbery He went to prison for that.
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Speaker 7: That was not a gloss over. It was a party
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Speaker 7: to a cross.
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Speaker 1: I said it because to hear it told now. And arn't.
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Speaker 1: Harris was at the trial. He knows exactly what happened.
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Speaker 1: He said. Asstead of saying he committed an armed robbery
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Speaker 1: and stole things from unarmed people, he said, Simpson's back
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Speaker 1: in play. It sounds like a football term. You're back
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Speaker 1: in play. He committed armed robbery. That's a gloss over.
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Speaker 1: He was heisee kite on coke. He murdered two people
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Speaker 1: and nearly cut off Nicole Brown's head and it's glossed over.
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Speaker 1: Did you know yesterday on the Heisman Trophy Twitter account
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Speaker 1: he was being mourned. All those posters along the highway
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Speaker 1: of the Bronco chase should have been about Nicole Brown
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Speaker 1: and Ron Goldman. Instead there were gojes.
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Speaker 10: How he should have taken note.
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Speaker 7: Somebody should have taken note of that and said, we're
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Speaker 7: not trying him where he's gonna get acquitted. We need
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Speaker 7: to try him downtown where he's gonna get convicted. I
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Speaker 7: blame that on the state.
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Speaker 1: What were you saying, Art Well, I was.
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Speaker 3: I was going to say that.
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Speaker 13: You know, in the Bronco he didn't just have the
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Speaker 13: gun nancy, which led everyone to believe always going to
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Speaker 13: go kill himself. Uh, you know, but he had a wig,
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Speaker 13: he had money, he you know, he had an instant
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Speaker 13: escape kit for a vacation in Mexico possibly, So you know,
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Speaker 13: this was not uh you know, this was not someone
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Speaker 13: who purely uh you know, he didn't have the courage
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Speaker 13: to She could kill himself probably, but the main thing
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Speaker 13: was this was not this was not something that was
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Speaker 13: cut and dried.
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Speaker 3: Uh.
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Speaker 13: And so if you look, if you look at all
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Speaker 13: the details, Uh, this was someone who was you know,
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Speaker 13: was running running from his own shadow, in his own soul.
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Speaker 1: This is what I know. He got the golden key.
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Speaker 1: He had his whole life in front of him once
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Speaker 1: he had that not guilty verdict, which's totally wrong. And
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Speaker 1: what did he do. He squandered the rest of his life.
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Speaker 1: He never made good with the victims' families and spent
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Speaker 1: out his days denying, denying, denying. O. J. Simpson, you
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Speaker 1: never got justice here on earth, but you're getting it
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Speaker 1: tonight with Satan. Let's stop and remember American Hero Officer
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Speaker 1: Twin Lee just thirty six, shot in the line of
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Speaker 1: duty serving residents of Oakland, California. He leaves behind his wife,
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Speaker 1: his mother, and his family. American Hero Officer Twin Lee.
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Speaker 1: I want to thank all of our guests for being
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Speaker 1: with us, but especially to you for being with us
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Speaker 1: tonight and every night. Nancy Gray signing off, good night friend.
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Speaker 1: It's it's sad to give it