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The Late Debate | 12 January · The Late Debate

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Speaker 1: Wait, welcome to the Lake de Base. Good evening and
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Speaker 1: welcome to the program. I'm Caleb Bond with Holly Hughes
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Speaker 1: and Louise Roberts. Here's what's coming up tonight. US Secretary
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Speaker 1: of State Marco Rubio keeps racking up job titles. There
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Speaker 1: was talk Donald Trump could send him to run Venezuela.
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Speaker 1: Now there's another country the President thinks Rubio could lead.
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Speaker 1: We'll tell you where that is soon. A Greens council
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Speaker 1: I think it's think Sorry, it's not enough that his
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Speaker 1: council donated twenty two thousand dollars to the Envarro activist
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Speaker 1: group Rising tied. They keep blocking up the ports. Now
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Speaker 1: he wants the council to give them some office space
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Speaker 1: for free so they can plan more protests. And skinny
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Speaker 1: is back, if the Golden Globes today were anything to
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Speaker 1: go by, the goldener Zimpics, I think some have called it.
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Speaker 1: But Australia is now going to put one of these
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Speaker 1: weight loss drugs on the PBS. Sorry, the Pharmaceutical Benefit Scheme.
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Speaker 1: Will talk more about that later. And may I say
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Speaker 1: it's nice to be back here. I've had a month
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Speaker 1: off consisting mostly going to the cricket and drinking beer.
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Speaker 1: So it's nice, nice to be back here as a
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Speaker 1: thorn between the roses, as it were. But our first
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Speaker 1: story tonight, well then why don't we start with a
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Speaker 1: little musical interlude? Yes, And I used that as a
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Speaker 1: little segue because of course that song was allegedly based
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Speaker 1: on the fact that the lead singer had said this,
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Speaker 1: I've died in your arms after he was getting it
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Speaker 1: on with his girlfriend, which leads to I never knew
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Speaker 1: that la petty moore, which means the little death, which
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Speaker 1: is apparently how you feel afterwards. Anyway, I use that
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Speaker 1: to demonstrate the fact that there is a game called
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Speaker 1: Shoot shag or Marry. I always thought it had another
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Speaker 1: ruder name to go with it, to got the ear
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Speaker 1: word in it. But anyway, three labor MPs female mind
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Speaker 1: you allegedly playing this game Shoot shag or Marry at
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Speaker 1: the Taste of Summer festival in Tasmania just before the
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Speaker 1: New Year, and within earshot. Sitting next to them was
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Speaker 1: a member of the Liberal Party, and this member of
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Speaker 1: the Liberal Party took great offense at the fact they
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Speaker 1: were playing Shoot chag or Married. Now, the way the
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Speaker 1: game works is you nominate three names, three people, and
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Speaker 1: then you have to choose which one you would shoot,
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Speaker 1: which one you'd kill, which one you'd chag, and which
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Speaker 1: one you would marry. But oh my god, the liberal bloke,
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Speaker 1: he couldn't believe what he was hearing, these women having
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Speaker 1: some innocent fun, and so he sent them a letter
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Speaker 1: of complaint. Rebecca White, who was the Assistant Minister for Women,
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Speaker 1: Health and Age Care that's federally and two labor in
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Speaker 1: Peas and Tasmania, Emma Hadad and Sarah Lovell. But he
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Speaker 1: wrote to them and said he was truly disgusted by
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Speaker 1: what he heard. He said, I and others sitting next
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Speaker 1: to me and next to you were absolutely shocked at
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Speaker 1: the language and dialogue of what was being discussed, very
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Speaker 1: loudly so everyone in the vicinity could hear.
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Speaker 2: So.
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Speaker 1: In response to all of this, Rebecca White, the Assistant Minister,
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Speaker 1: as I said, said I unreservedly apologize for offending you
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Speaker 1: and appreciate you making direct contact to share your feedback.
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Speaker 1: Emma Hadad said, I absolutely apologize for the offense I
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Speaker 1: have caused you. And Sarah Lovell said, I take your
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Speaker 1: comments on board and apologize for offending you and your friends.
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Speaker 1: I hope I didn't ruin your afternoon entirely and you
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Speaker 1: were able to otherwise enjoy the afternoon. So he have
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Speaker 1: three women, you know, there are a food and wine,
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Speaker 1: you know, piss up thing essentially, and they're having a
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Speaker 1: blue conversation. Now. Look, I know, if it were labor
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Speaker 1: men saying it about other women.
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Speaker 3: Liberal, yes, liberal saying it about labor women, we would
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Speaker 3: be having devatations on the speech.
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Speaker 1: But is it really that bad. It's some women having
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Speaker 1: a few drinks and making jokes about who they'd sleep with.
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Speaker 3: Well, I I hope they were having a few drinks
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Speaker 3: while they were doing it, because I think that game
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Speaker 3: might be more fun to play whilst having a few drinks.
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Speaker 3: But honestly, this faux outrage by everybody, that everyone's so
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Speaker 3: offended by everything. I mean, seriously, But as I said,
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Speaker 3: you know, if it was liberal men making comments about
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Speaker 3: labor women, this was labor women making comments about liberal men.
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Speaker 3: So what does that say about the labor men that
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Speaker 3: they wouldn't want to shoot, shag or marry any of
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Speaker 3: the labor men. They were more interested in what they
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Speaker 3: were going to do to the liberal men. But look,
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Speaker 3: I just think it's all faux outrage. And you know,
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Speaker 3: if you can't have a bit of a fun and
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Speaker 3: giggle with your girlfriends, what can you do.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's a complete overreaction. It's a bit
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Speaker 4: of bawdy humor. It might not be your type of humor,
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Speaker 4: but to actually progress it to a complaint, to that
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Speaker 4: level in these three MP's have to apologize publicly when
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Speaker 4: there's clearly a much better use of their time, I
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Speaker 4: would think in public office.
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Speaker 1: I feel like we've regressed in so many ways. I
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Speaker 1: thought we had the sexual revolution and then it was
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Speaker 1: sort of on for young and old after that. But
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Speaker 1: it feels like now part of it's probably me too
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Speaker 1: as well, which which.
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Speaker 3: In part the movement.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for the clarification, but you know, parts
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Speaker 1: of me too made sense. I mean, you don't want
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Speaker 1: blokes going around groping women and behaving badly. We all
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Speaker 1: get all of that. But I think we've thrown the
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Speaker 1: baby out with the bath water.
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Speaker 3: You can't have fun anymore, you can't have a giggle.
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Speaker 3: I mean, maybe this liberal complainer, he was one that
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Speaker 3: they wanted to shoot, so he was upset. He thought
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Speaker 3: he might have been getting a bit of action there.
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 4: We wonder why young men won't ask young women because
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Speaker 4: they're worried about saying the wrong thing, and they're worried
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Speaker 4: about the wrong environment, now aren't they.
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Speaker 1: Well that's true. Well you go. I always find it
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Speaker 1: amazing you go to bars and you see people sitting
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Speaker 1: around on Tinder or whatever their app of choice.
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Speaker 3: Not in my bar.
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Speaker 1: You don't know, Well that that's right. You would have
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Speaker 1: a matchmaking service going at your pub, wouldn't you.
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Speaker 3: Holy probably need a few more women who attended at
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Speaker 3: different times. I'm dressed. I'm pretty heavy on the country boys,
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Speaker 3: so yeah, I need a few more of the ladies.
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Speaker 3: So if you are single, you know where to come.
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Speaker 1: But it is a safe space to come to your
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Speaker 1: pub and play shoot, shag or marry.
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Speaker 3: It's the new game. I'm going to start at the front,
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Speaker 3: go by. We're going to have you know, the local
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Speaker 3: community up there. One of my one of my locals, Mellow,
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Speaker 3: has been very upset. I haven't given him a shout out.
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Speaker 3: So there you go, Mellow, And now maybe you can
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Speaker 3: put the list of people together so when I get
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Speaker 3: back we can play the game.
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Speaker 1: Good. We should have more of that, I think. Now
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Speaker 1: let's have some more well, the serious news of the day.
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Speaker 1: What's been going on Hollywood.
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Speaker 3: Look, you know it's Alvin Easy. Seriously, this guy is
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Speaker 3: just beyond reprehensible and weak as a leader. But he's
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Speaker 3: finally taken some action and recall Parliament today and we'll
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Speaker 3: be having a look at the hate speech laws now.
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Speaker 3: I guess one of the things that I want everyone
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Speaker 3: to remember at home is there have been hate speech
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Speaker 3: laws tightened up in the past twelve months, but no
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Speaker 3: one has been prosecuted under them at all. We have
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Speaker 3: never seen these hate laws be prosecuted. They haven't been tested.
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Speaker 3: But we're getting warnings now from Mike Pizzulo, former Chief
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Speaker 3: of Home Affairs, saying that if there is an effort
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Speaker 3: to ban the group, he's bought to rear that we
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Speaker 3: may see high court challenges to that band. But you
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Speaker 3: know the thing about this is he could have called
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Speaker 3: them back earlier. He could have done this the first
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Speaker 3: time there was tightening up for the hate speech laws.
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Speaker 3: He's still obsessed with how it impacts when it comes
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Speaker 3: to neo Nazis as opposed to Radical Islam. They still
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Speaker 3: can't bring themselves to talk about what the actual crusks
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Speaker 3: of the issue is here. But you know, I'm really
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Speaker 3: interested to see whether Pauline Hanson they will be allowed
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Speaker 3: into the Senate chamber because you know, we're saying now
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Speaker 3: she's at twenty three percent of the vote, but she's
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Speaker 3: in the midst of a seven day band So you know,
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Speaker 3: a quarter of the peace people of Australia now almost
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Speaker 3: support one nation, yet their leader may not be in
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Speaker 3: the Senate Chamber to debate these laws.
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Speaker 1: This whole business of Okay, there's a terror attack, bad
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Speaker 1: thing happens, so we must have reactive legislation. It's just
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Speaker 1: like got to do something to make it look like
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Speaker 1: I'm doing something. As you say, we already have hate
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Speaker 1: speech laws haven't been used.
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Speaker 3: How do you prosecute that intent? How do you know
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Speaker 3: what's going through someone's head at the time of the
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Speaker 3: activity that takes this is actually to become with a
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Speaker 3: hate base. What is the legal benchmark? But you've got
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Speaker 3: to make.
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Speaker 1: That's the thing. This was the Prime Minister talking. I mean,
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Speaker 1: we don't have the full details of what this legislation
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Speaker 1: is going to look like. Hopefully we'll find that out
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Speaker 1: in the next few days. But this is the Prime
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Speaker 1: Minister describing it in part today.
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Speaker 2: It increases the penalties for hate crimes offenses. It ensures
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Speaker 2: that defenders whose crimes were motivated by extremism had factored
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Speaker 2: into their sentencing. It creates a new offense for inciting
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Speaker 2: hatred in order to intimidate all harass. It expands and
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Speaker 2: strengthens the ban on prohibited symbols, and it makes it
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Speaker 2: easier for the Minister for Home Affairs to cancel or
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Speaker 2: refuse a visa for people intent on spreading hatred.
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Speaker 1: And at the same press conference to the Attorney General
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Speaker 1: Michelle Rowland.
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Speaker 5: They will be the toughest hate laws Australia has ever seen.
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Speaker 5: They will specifically target those who seek to spread hatred
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Speaker 5: and disrupt social cohesion in our community, and it will
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Speaker 5: send a clear message that this conduct will not be tolerated.
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Speaker 1: Now, she says, the toughest hate laws Australia has ever seen.
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Speaker 1: One may well ask what hate laws have we had,
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Speaker 1: because I would bother to apply any of them if
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Speaker 1: they actually exist. And this idea that it's an aggravating
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Speaker 1: factor if you commit a crime and you've done so
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Speaker 1: in the name of hate, and obviously in this case,
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Speaker 1: we are talking about terrorism. That's what has sparked all
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Speaker 1: of this. Again, does that mean that if you kill
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Speaker 1: someone but you don't do it hatefully, that it is
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Speaker 1: less of a crime than if you do it as
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Speaker 1: an active terrorism.
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Speaker 3: You do it with love in your heart.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, murder is murder, right. I think it just feels
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Speaker 1: like they've got to say, Okay, we're doing something about
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Speaker 1: this without really changing anything, and the things they do
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Speaker 1: change are really open end.
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Speaker 4: That's right, and how they're going to prove it. And
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Speaker 4: as you say, the extremists will drive a freight train
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Speaker 4: through this. And they're very well funded these groups. They
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Speaker 4: have a lot of legal firepower, so they can fight
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Speaker 4: these things in the High Court if it comes to that.
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Speaker 4: But my issue as well is don't these things deserve
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Speaker 4: separate bills? Should we have a separate gun control bill
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Speaker 4: and a separate bill about hate speech? Lumping them in
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Speaker 4: together I think sort of paints the opposition into a
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Speaker 4: bit of a divil position because if they object to it,
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Speaker 4: they're seen as part of the problem rather than part
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Speaker 4: of the solution.
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Speaker 3: Well, they should be separated when they add to the chamber,
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Speaker 3: and I'm sure that would be part of the negotiation.
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Speaker 3: But Nfortunately, in the Senate Labor in the Greens, if
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Speaker 3: they buddy up together, they've got the numbers to just
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Speaker 3: push it through. And obviously in the Lower House the
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Speaker 3: number the Labor has the numbers there, but.
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Speaker 1: The guns are the other elements to it as well.
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Speaker 1: What difference is that going to make? I mean, the
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister says today there are more guns in Australia
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Speaker 1: today than there were when Port Arthur happened. Well, we've
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Speaker 1: had one mass shooting since Port Arthur and it happened
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Speaker 1: a month ago and that wasn't because we've got lots
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Speaker 1: of powerful guns lying around. It's because two blokes who
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Speaker 1: had a religious extreme religious ideology decided they would shoot
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Speaker 1: up Duwes. What is having a gun and what you
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Speaker 1: do to fix any of that?
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Speaker 3: His guns were registered. They had less guns allegedly than
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Speaker 3: this law will even change from what they can could
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Speaker 3: legally own. This is not going to impact criminals. Criminals
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Speaker 3: will not be handing guns back in. It's not going
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Speaker 3: to impact the people who want to use them maliciously.
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Speaker 3: It is going to impact people like farmers who actually
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Speaker 3: need guns and all. They are very very angry and
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Speaker 3: the fact when Chris Min stood up and talked about
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Speaker 3: a belt fed shotgun just shows how rush this stuff
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Speaker 3: is because a belt felt shotgun does not exist, it
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Speaker 3: has never been made.
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Speaker 4: The majority of licensed gun owners are responsible gun owners.
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Speaker 4: They're not causing problems. They've got a number of firearms
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Speaker 4: at their properties. It's very careful not to call these weapons.
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Speaker 4: They're firearms, they're tools of the trade. Is you're a
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Speaker 4: farmer or an agricultural expert or something. They've got these
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Speaker 4: firearms so they can actually run their farms and they
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Speaker 4: can get rid of feral pests, or they can control
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Speaker 4: livestock or whatever it is. And by large they feel
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Speaker 4: very aggrieved that these laws are being pushed through, particularly
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Speaker 4: New South Wales without any consultation for them. That somehow
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Speaker 4: they're the bad guys because they're in a gun club
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Speaker 4: or they've got firearms at home, and it's so wrong,
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Speaker 4: and that anger will not abate and.
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Speaker 1: Will list his Booteria as a terror which I don't
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Speaker 1: have a problem with that.
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Speaker 3: Why isn't it listed as a terror organization? It's listed
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Speaker 3: and bounded in so many other places. And it is
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Speaker 3: this labor government who has resisted call after call after
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Speaker 3: call for Hisia to be listed as a terror organization.
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Speaker 3: Somehow this labor government thinks they're nothing but a group
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Speaker 3: of peace loving protesters, which I think everyone around the
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Speaker 3: world know. But again absolute fallacy.
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Speaker 1: These fellas were not adherents of his there are, and
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Speaker 1: they want to list the National Socialist Network as well.
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Speaker 1: We can't do anything Nazis.
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Speaker 3: No, no, no, But we can't have anything about radical Islam
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Speaker 3: unless we talk about the Nazis, like we've got to
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Speaker 3: bring the Nazis. Yep, you know, it's just a joke.
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Speaker 4: I agree. It's very unfair on the average citizen who
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Speaker 4: just wants firm action and actually wants laws to protect
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Speaker 4: people so they can go safely to Bondai Beach. That matter.
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Speaker 1: And while we're on this topic, the Adelaide Ratis Festival,
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Speaker 1: the story has progressed a bit.
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Speaker 4: It has, yeah, it has quite a bit. So you
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Speaker 4: will recall that doctor Randa abdel Fatara, of course, was
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Speaker 4: moved off the program because there were concerns about some
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Speaker 4: maybe some posts she'd made and it was thought that
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Speaker 4: she wasn't culturally sensitive enough to be part of this
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Speaker 4: writer's festival. But what an absolute Debarcle. It's become I mean,
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Speaker 4: she's now hired a lawyer. She's saying she wants an
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Speaker 4: explanation for her removal. She's saying her human rights were breached.
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Speaker 4: Her legal team has said capture all the documents, all
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Speaker 4: the communications for possible litigation. So for something for the
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Speaker 4: general public, I think I'll go along here my favorite
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Speaker 4: author talk about a book it's completely imploded, and that
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Speaker 4: we've heard tonight as well that Jacinda Rdern, of course,
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Speaker 4: has also withdrawn. She was meant to speak about her
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Speaker 4: book A Different Kind of Power ABC. Sarah Ferguson was
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Speaker 4: meant to interview her. She's also withdrawn. So it's basically
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Speaker 4: an empty room situation at the moment. But how does
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Speaker 4: it get that a writer's festival, and in this way
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Speaker 4: it becomes such a shamozzle that it becomes so politicized
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Speaker 4: with lawyer's and involved in litigation when really it should
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Speaker 4: just be a great Adelaide event for local.
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Speaker 1: People to And also how do you get to a
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Speaker 1: point where writers like Jane Carrow and the Bandana Man,
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Speaker 1: Peter Fitzsimon's and Jesinda are doing and all these other
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Speaker 1: people are pulling out of a writer's festival because they
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Speaker 1: pulled a woman who has on social media glorified terrorism.
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Speaker 1: I mean she put up, well, the thing got the
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Speaker 1: image of some of the stuff she put up on
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Speaker 1: social media, you know, because you'll know on October seven
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Speaker 1: people parasailed into the music festival and killed people, the
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Speaker 1: largest order of views since the Holocaust, And she puts
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Speaker 1: that up online. I mean, what is that other then
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Speaker 1: to glorify tales.
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Speaker 3: But this was also the woman who was trying to
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Speaker 3: get who got the child at a rally to start
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Speaker 3: the chant globalized the intovata and I mean this is
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Speaker 3: you know, from the river to the sea, we will
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Speaker 3: be free? Like did she do that with love in
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Speaker 3: her heart? Or was that a hate crime? I mean,
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Speaker 3: I don't think she was overflowing with love and affection
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Speaker 3: for the Jewish community and for Israel when she was
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Speaker 3: encouraging a child to say that. But honestly, you've got
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Speaker 3: to say, you know, Jane Carrow, Peter fitz Simon, Jacinda Adern,
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Speaker 3: Sarah Ferguson all vacating the space, well, I guess it
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Speaker 3: just got a whole lot more bearable than it would
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Speaker 3: it be.
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Speaker 1: But it's not a defense of academic freedom to walk
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Speaker 1: away from this when that is why she's being pulled.
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Speaker 1: If they said we're pulling her because she's a Palestinian woman,
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Speaker 1: I'd say, yeah, sure, go ahead and boycott it, because
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Speaker 1: you don't pull people. It's racist, you don't do that stuff.
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Speaker 1: But when you put that on social media and all
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Speaker 1: these people are saying, well, actually I'm on board with her,
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Speaker 1: they're not kind of telling on themselves and saying, well,
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Speaker 1: I kind of endorse the things she also thinks. And
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Speaker 1: these are high profile, a lot of high profile people
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Speaker 1: who've jumped on board with it.
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Speaker 4: Is like I said, it's a writer's festival, but they've
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Speaker 4: all become a sort of ideological battlegrounds now, whereas who
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Speaker 4: can be the most outrageous, who can get the most publicity.
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Speaker 3: Well, she's also written a letter in the past trying
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Speaker 3: to get a Jewish author band. It's another writer's festival,
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Speaker 3: So it's or was it the same last year?
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Speaker 1: Tom Friedman from.
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Speaker 3: Tom Friedman, Yeah, but it's just, you know, these people
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Speaker 3: are just blatant hypocrites and if they didn't have double standards,
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Speaker 3: they wouldn't have any standards at all.
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Speaker 1: Exactly While we're talking about standards. Donald Trump, of course,
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Speaker 1: is setting a standard over in the US at the moment.
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Speaker 1: G hasn't he be going hell for leather in the
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Speaker 1: last few days. He's now saying, well, the last few weeks,
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Speaker 1: I should say, he is now saying that Cuba will
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Speaker 1: not be getting any oil from Venezuela because they were
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Speaker 1: the major supplier, of course of oil to Cuba, and
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Speaker 1: Trump has now taken over the joint. So he says,
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Speaker 1: unless Cuba comes on board and does a deal with
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Speaker 1: the US. We don't actually know what that means. He's
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Speaker 1: just said, do a deal, so you know, we'll see
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Speaker 1: what happens in the future. But unless you do a
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Speaker 1: deal with the US, there will be no more oil
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Speaker 1: for you. You can imagine how the communist country of
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Speaker 1: Cuba has responded to that. And so Donald Trump has
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Speaker 1: now suggested that maybe the Secretary of State Marco Rubio
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Speaker 1: could be sent in to run the joint. Someone suggested
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Speaker 1: this on his truth social platform, and Trump said in response,
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Speaker 1: sounds good to me. So God knows what might happen
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Speaker 1: now in the next couple of weeks. He's gone after Venezuela.
18:24
Speaker 1: Maybe he'll go after Cuba next. But it is it's
18:27
Speaker 1: interesting now, well, it's obvious why he has done this,
18:30
Speaker 1: and Trump is not hidden that it gives him global
18:34
Speaker 1: leverage to have control of all those resources in Venezuela,
18:38
Speaker 1: and he's starting to do with it what he wanted
18:40
Speaker 1: to do well.
18:41
Speaker 3: And we're going to remember that Cuba and Venezuela are
18:43
Speaker 3: very closely aligned. There were around thirty two Cubans that
18:46
Speaker 3: were actually killed when Micado they went in to get
18:49
Speaker 3: hit the Venezuelan president, so there was armed forces and
18:53
Speaker 3: security in intelligence people there from Cuba. So there's a
18:57
Speaker 3: very close relationship between Cuba and venezuel I don't know
19:00
Speaker 3: if we've got the meme, but there was a great
19:03
Speaker 3: one going around last week of Marco Rubio and he
19:07
Speaker 3: sort of had this quite dejected look on his face,
19:10
Speaker 3: but it said that feeling you get when you realize
19:12
Speaker 3: you could be the president of Venezuela, the governor of Cuba,
19:15
Speaker 3: and the new Shah of Iran. But it's certainly very
19:19
Speaker 3: very busy on the geopolitical front. Marco Rubio seems to
19:23
Speaker 3: be putting being put forward as the name that can
19:26
Speaker 3: save it all. So he may have more jobs than
19:28
Speaker 3: he knows what to do with soon. But I think,
19:31
Speaker 3: you know, we're seeing some really interesting times that are happening,
19:35
Speaker 3: and Cuba has been a real thorn in the side
19:38
Speaker 3: the Americans. You know, when you go back to the
19:40
Speaker 3: cub missile crisis and Kennedy's days, you just never know
19:44
Speaker 3: where this could end up.
19:45
Speaker 4: With Trump and attacking the US is a very nineteen
19:47
Speaker 4: to fifties place, and it's all the bad guys America.
19:49
Speaker 4: It's all their fault type thing. Whereas you know, we're
19:52
Speaker 4: talking about a regime that survived on subsidies in favors
19:55
Speaker 4: for so many years, and Trump's just no more.
19:58
Speaker 1: The one thing I do like about Cuban things I
20:00
Speaker 1: like about Cuba, but necessity is the mother of invention,
20:03
Speaker 1: and the fact they've kept all those nineteen fifties Chevies
20:08
Speaker 1: and Cadillacs and things alive is pretty extraordinary. Couldn't build
20:11
Speaker 1: a car today. I don't think that would be able
20:13
Speaker 1: to survive and be repaired to add an item like that.
20:16
Speaker 1: You mentioned Iran Thom of course, that's the other big
20:19
Speaker 1: story that's been going on in the last few days,
20:22
Speaker 1: these protests that you would have seen in Iran. They
20:25
Speaker 1: want to overturn the Ayatola, of course highly unlikely, but
20:29
Speaker 1: it is good to see a groundswell of people in
20:33
Speaker 1: Iran saying we don't want to live under this Islamic
20:35
Speaker 1: dictatorship anymore. But of course the regime has now responded,
20:40
Speaker 1: not in kind, they have responded heavily. They cut off
20:44
Speaker 1: the internet so people couldn't get anything out of Iran
20:47
Speaker 1: on the weekend. We're only getting dribs and drabs of
20:50
Speaker 1: videos that are somehow making their way out of the country.
20:53
Speaker 1: Five hundred protesters have been killed. They're threatening people with
20:57
Speaker 1: the death penalty if they protest, and Donald Trump is
21:01
Speaker 1: not sitting back.
21:03
Speaker 6: The meeting is being set up, but we may have
21:06
Speaker 6: to act because of what's happening before the meeting.
21:11
Speaker 3: But a meeting is being set up, a right call,
21:14
Speaker 3: they wanted negotiat.
21:15
Speaker 1: We may have to act. Presumably is a threat of
21:20
Speaker 1: physical action, Luers.
21:21
Speaker 4: I think so. I don't think he's going to pull
21:23
Speaker 4: any punches on doing that either. Obviously would rather not.
21:26
Speaker 4: But I think in this situation, you know, Iran has
21:28
Speaker 4: crossed every conceivable ward line, and it's done so on
21:31
Speaker 4: many occasions, and I think what's different and what's interesting
21:33
Speaker 4: to watch is these protests are massive. It's the biggest
21:36
Speaker 4: protest I've ever had, So clearly he's in boldened to
21:39
Speaker 4: take the action which the rest of the West world
21:42
Speaker 4: wants him to do.
21:43
Speaker 3: And we have to think too how the Shaa Varana
21:45
Speaker 3: is really a dictator in the way the treatment of
21:47
Speaker 3: women and what's been allowed to occur under this game.
21:50
Speaker 3: But you're interesting, there's no protests for the five hundred
21:53
Speaker 3: Iranians who were believed to have been shot over the weekend,
21:57
Speaker 3: and that these professional protesters we have out their supports
22:00
Speaker 3: in Palestine every weekend don't seem to have the same
22:03
Speaker 3: care or concern about the Iranian people and whether or
22:07
Speaker 3: not they will be freed from this dicta dictatorial regime.
22:11
Speaker 1: Indeed, the Iranian crown princes had some thoughts on all
22:14
Speaker 1: of this.
22:16
Speaker 6: Your words of solidarity with the Iranian people and your
22:19
Speaker 6: administration has had tremendous positive effect. Let's hope that we
22:24
Speaker 6: can permanently seal this legacy by liberating Iran so that
22:28
Speaker 6: we and you can make Iran great again. Let's partner
22:32
Speaker 6: on this and have a better future for our countries
22:35
Speaker 6: and for our people.
22:37
Speaker 1: Make a run great again, isn't it? Fact?
22:40
Speaker 3: How good is that matter?
22:42
Speaker 1: It's amazing when you look at Iran before the regime
22:47
Speaker 1: took over women in mini schools.
22:49
Speaker 3: True, but you know, studying his university.
22:52
Speaker 4: It's freedoms, granted.
22:54
Speaker 1: You know, it is incredible to think what has been
22:57
Speaker 1: done to the country. And those men and women who
23:01
Speaker 1: are standing up in Iran and protesting, literally putting their
23:05
Speaker 1: lives on the line to fight for freedom. They are
23:08
Speaker 1: brave people. They are seriously brave people. And of course
23:12
Speaker 1: it would be impossible to get anyone out of Iran
23:14
Speaker 1: at the moment, but if there was any way to
23:16
Speaker 1: get them out, I'd say they're exactly the sort of
23:18
Speaker 1: people I want in my country right now, because they
23:21
Speaker 1: will fight to the death to get the rights that
23:24
Speaker 1: they deserve.
23:24
Speaker 3: And make Iran great again. But I'll tell you what
23:27
Speaker 3: we've got made Sweden great again as well. We've got
23:30
Speaker 3: the Swedish immigration ministers put in place a whole lot
23:34
Speaker 3: of new, very strict laws around family reunion visas and
23:41
Speaker 3: asylum requests, and after just one year there has been
23:45
Speaker 3: a thirty percent reduction in these number of asylum requests.
23:51
Speaker 3: And they think that a lot of this has come
23:53
Speaker 3: through because they've actually increased the monetary payments that go
23:58
Speaker 3: to people that turned to their country of origin. And
24:02
Speaker 3: so the new center right party ruling in Sweden combined
24:07
Speaker 3: with the Sweden Democrats which are reasonably anti immigration, in
24:13
Speaker 3: a coalition and when they're saying huge results, and I
24:16
Speaker 3: think maybe there's an opportunity for Australia to have a
24:18
Speaker 3: look because we just seem to have an open door
24:21
Speaker 3: policy at the moment. I mean, you think we've still
24:23
Speaker 3: got three thousand garsands coming in even though there's a
24:27
Speaker 3: piece deal over there at the moment in a ceasefire.
24:30
Speaker 3: And Sweden seems to be starting to get the balance
24:32
Speaker 3: right and to make sure they're getting the values of
24:35
Speaker 3: their country back into the mass population rather than diluting it.
24:40
Speaker 1: You know, they're paying these people to go back home,
24:43
Speaker 1: and they're saying, well, we'll give you money if you
24:45
Speaker 1: leave VUK. You know, you know how much it is
24:48
Speaker 1: in Australian dollars fifty seven thousand. Wow, that is a
24:52
Speaker 1: pretty good incentive. You're very good to go back to
24:55
Speaker 1: your own country. Now, it does beg the question if
24:58
Speaker 1: you're willing to take fifty seven grand and to bugger
25:00
Speaker 1: off back to whatever country you supposedly needed asylum from.
25:04
Speaker 3: Why we are here in the first place.
25:05
Speaker 1: Exactly did you really need asylum from that country if
25:08
Speaker 1: you can be bribed for fifty seven thousand dollars or
25:12
Speaker 1: is that enough money for you to go home and
25:13
Speaker 1: be able to set yourself up and say, look, I've
25:15
Speaker 1: got a decent life now.
25:17
Speaker 3: Yeah.
25:17
Speaker 4: I think the Swedish experiments really interesting because they were
25:20
Speaker 4: really pushing unlimited immigration. Migration is a way to enrich society,
25:25
Speaker 4: very soft, zero scrutiny, generous welfare. And obviously the Swedes
25:29
Speaker 4: I thought, hang on a second, we've got an increase
25:31
Speaker 4: in gang violence, We've got an increase in bombings and
25:33
Speaker 4: shootings and all sorts of things we don't actually want
25:35
Speaker 4: in beautiful, peaceful, lovely, affluent Sweden. And you know they're
25:40
Speaker 4: now rolling out measures which, to be fair, five years ago,
25:44
Speaker 4: if they flagged them, probably would have been regarded as racist,
25:48
Speaker 4: But now they're essential because they have to get control
25:50
Speaker 4: back of their country.
25:51
Speaker 1: You're right, there needs to be some kind of circuit
25:53
Speaker 1: breaker here. So the problem is they come over, they
25:57
Speaker 1: apply for asylum, I mean most of them coming on
25:59
Speaker 1: plant and they apply for asylum, that gets denied about
26:03
Speaker 1: three years down the line. Then they challenge that that
26:06
Speaker 1: takes another three years to be assisted. And by the
26:08
Speaker 1: time they get to the end of that, they've met
26:10
Speaker 1: someone and had kids, and they said, we've got roots
26:12
Speaker 1: in the country. You can't get rid of me.
26:14
Speaker 3: And by the way, I've got eighteen cousins, three brothers
26:17
Speaker 3: and sisters, six sets appearance and they've all got to
26:20
Speaker 3: come out as well. And you know, this is what
26:22
Speaker 3: we're saying, happening more and more and it's got to stop.
26:25
Speaker 3: And fifty seven thousand dollars might sound like a huge
26:28
Speaker 3: amount of money, but when you think about what the
26:29
Speaker 3: costs are through our welfare system, the housing that's provided,
26:33
Speaker 3: the free education, free healthcare, et cetera, et cetera, let
26:37
Speaker 3: alone what any resettlement costs have paid, particularly with the
26:41
Speaker 3: family reunion and visus people coming out, fifty seven thousand
26:46
Speaker 3: might be a pretty cheap outcome.
26:48
Speaker 4: Well, speaking of families, we might have a bit of
26:50
Speaker 4: an issue on this. On the babycart in Australia, yes, exactly,
26:55
Speaker 4: record low birth rates they're predicting for twenty five twenty six,
26:59
Speaker 4: sort of coupled with the calling migration as well. They're
27:02
Speaker 4: saying that the record low of one point four two
27:05
Speaker 4: children per women. I'm not sure about the fractions on.
27:07
Speaker 1: That, but yeah, I feel sorry for that point fort.
27:10
Speaker 4: Apparently it's down from one point four twenty four and
27:13
Speaker 4: there's a number of reasons given for this. Apparently during
27:17
Speaker 4: COVID more people brought forward their baby making activity, started
27:20
Speaker 4: their families in they've got sick of making sourdough RD
27:23
Speaker 4: or whatever I think as well, and also.
27:26
Speaker 3: Anyone put their word glass down load, I know, and
27:29
Speaker 3: that leads that leads to.
27:31
Speaker 4: The yes, that was the connection there. But also you know,
27:35
Speaker 4: people starting families later, so therefore they're having less children
27:38
Speaker 4: if they're starting later as well, that delayed parenthood. And
27:41
Speaker 4: also interesting factor that these sort of itinerate sort of
27:44
Speaker 4: population of female backpackers and stuff are also counted in
27:48
Speaker 4: these stats, and clearly they're coming over to enjoy the
27:50
Speaker 4: Aussie sunshine and possibly the Aussie men and then going
27:53
Speaker 4: back home, so they're not interested in actually maybe well
27:56
Speaker 4: having children here, but yeah.
27:58
Speaker 1: We'll happen to control while here and hopefully will keep them.
28:01
Speaker 1: But it's a problem across the entire Western world, you know,
28:04
Speaker 1: and I think part of it is people are staying
28:06
Speaker 1: at home much longer, they're going to work much later.
28:10
Speaker 1: They can't afford houses, and you know, if you've got
28:12
Speaker 1: somewhere to live and something to own, you feel secure
28:14
Speaker 1: to have a family. People just don't seem to be
28:16
Speaker 1: doing it anymore. And South Australia, by the way, according
28:18
Speaker 1: to the same report, by the year twenty sixty will
28:21
Speaker 1: have more people dying than being born. So isn't that
28:25
Speaker 1: a bit of positive news? After the break? If you
28:27
Speaker 1: go to the beach, is it okay to reserve a
28:31
Speaker 1: spot on the beach in the morning, leave all your
28:34
Speaker 1: gear there, and then go back in the afternoon and
28:37
Speaker 1: expect that no one has touched the big debate has
28:40
Speaker 1: broken out on the morning to and Peninsula in Peninsula,
28:42
Speaker 1: sorry in Victoria. We will have that debate ourselves very soon.
28:50
Speaker 1: We've had some fun during the Black Breaker playing their
28:53
Speaker 1: shoot whatever it's called. No no, no no, that's private.
28:59
Speaker 1: And Louise has just declared that she's got the croaks.
29:02
Speaker 1: So let's hope she does not croak it on air,
29:04
Speaker 1: because that would be much fun. Would it be? Serious? Though?
29:08
Speaker 1: For a minute, these absolute income poops down in Victoria. Well,
29:12
Speaker 1: that's probably described. A lot of people in Victoria, to
29:14
Speaker 1: be perfectly honestly, kept voting for Daniel Andrews for some
29:17
Speaker 1: reason or another. But they decided over the weekend it
29:20
Speaker 1: would be a good time to have another one of
29:22
Speaker 1: the pally rallies, Palestinian rallies. And of course you might
29:27
Speaker 1: have heard, I don't know whether these people have lots
29:30
Speaker 1: of bushfires going on in Victoria at the moment, and bushfires,
29:34
Speaker 1: which by the way, have claimed at least one life
29:37
Speaker 1: so far, require emergency services to do a lot of
29:41
Speaker 1: work on them, and not only firefighters, many of whom
29:44
Speaker 1: are volunteers, but they need lots of police to shut
29:47
Speaker 1: roads and do all this sort of work. And so
29:50
Speaker 1: when should we have a Palestine rally that requires police
29:55
Speaker 1: to come and make sure that things don't get unruly
29:58
Speaker 1: on the weekend that we have bushfires ravaging the state.
30:03
Speaker 1: How thick are these people or do they just not
30:05
Speaker 1: care at all? It doesn't matter, they don't look. They
30:08
Speaker 1: did say they wouldn't do, you know, one through the streets.
30:11
Speaker 1: They did it in one place, so it was a
30:12
Speaker 1: little easier for the police to deal with. But for
30:15
Speaker 1: Heaven's sake of all the times police have got other
30:18
Speaker 1: things they need to be doing, and they do it
30:20
Speaker 1: on the weekend when there are bush fires.
30:22
Speaker 4: Well, nothing says more about caring deeply about human suffering
30:25
Speaker 4: than actually having your protests when emergency services should be
30:29
Speaker 4: deployed and police deployed elsewhere, and they're asked to postpone it,
30:33
Speaker 4: and of course they wouldn't because they're so indignant and
30:35
Speaker 4: they're so self righteous about their cause that nothing else matters.
30:38
Speaker 4: I mean, apparently someone turned up in a monkey suit,
30:41
Speaker 4: which shows what a complete circus the whole thing was.
30:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, is that related in any way?
30:46
Speaker 3: Well, but I how.
30:49
Speaker 4: Trivial they can become in these sort of protests, actually
30:51
Speaker 4: not with their eye not on the clear issue which
30:54
Speaker 4: everyone else in Victoria and Australia, I might add, was
30:56
Speaker 4: concerned about, was those bushfires.
30:58
Speaker 3: We're less than a month from them that occurred on
31:00
Speaker 3: Bondai Beije, where the Jewish Australian population is obviously feeling
31:05
Speaker 3: very sensitive. But I think all Australians are feeling very
31:08
Speaker 3: impacted by what happened to Bondai Beige. And yet these
31:11
Speaker 3: morons new said Ninkham coops. They're morons. They are absolutely certified.
31:17
Speaker 3: They're just disgusting human beings. And the fact that they
31:20
Speaker 3: were there long lived the Interofada and from the river
31:24
Speaker 3: to the sea, those chants where again being circulated by
31:28
Speaker 3: this group. This is what they were saying. And they
31:30
Speaker 3: care about a terror organization across the other side of
31:33
Speaker 3: the world more than they do about their fellow Victorians
31:36
Speaker 3: facing absolutely horrific bushfires. And I think that it's not
31:39
Speaker 3: about looking after people, it's not about looking after the community.
31:43
Speaker 3: It's about their own selfish need to make themselves important.
31:46
Speaker 3: And you know, I'm surprised they're not having a pro
31:49
Speaker 3: you know, Venezuelan dictator or pro Shah of Iras rally next.
31:55
Speaker 3: You know, they're certainly not there to support the Iranian
31:57
Speaker 3: people or anyone else. Well, that's genuinely we did.
32:00
Speaker 1: Say before we're the free year round protest. I mean,
32:03
Speaker 1: that would have been a good time to check that
32:04
Speaker 1: in with them as well. They can't there, But also
32:08
Speaker 1: did they not get the memo about the peace deal?
32:12
Speaker 1: They are actually doing it work for free regardless.
32:16
Speaker 3: But don't worry, we'll have the Queers for Palace sign
32:18
Speaker 3: out there and they can you know, practice having a
32:20
Speaker 3: rooftop party or something.
32:22
Speaker 1: Queer monkeys for he writes for gay Wales.
32:25
Speaker 3: Look, seriously, these people are just unicorn farmers and normally
32:28
Speaker 3: I reserve that term just for the Greens. And City
32:31
Speaker 3: of Sydney Council has a very special unicorn farmer on
32:34
Speaker 3: it at the moment. This Counselor Matthew Thompson, I think
32:39
Speaker 3: we might have a shot of him. His interesting looking
32:43
Speaker 3: character here is there's mister Thompson. He's called Counselor Thompson.
32:48
Speaker 3: He's calling for Sydney of City ratepayers to provide free
32:52
Speaker 3: office space to the eco activist group eco terrorist group
32:59
Speaker 3: Rising Tide, who blocked off Newcastle Ports just before Christmas.
33:04
Speaker 3: You remember they were there about four weeks and we're
33:07
Speaker 3: blocking all the coal ships that they could get in
33:10
Speaker 3: front of. I mean, they're just nuisance pests who create
33:15
Speaker 3: absolute chaos wherever they go, but also cost the taxpayer
33:21
Speaker 3: itself so much money. Yeah, City of Sydney councilors are
33:24
Speaker 3: now wanting to give them free office space so they
33:26
Speaker 3: can further plan more of these actions. I mean, seriously,
33:29
Speaker 3: this is the same council who gave them a twenty
33:32
Speaker 3: two thousand dollars grant. We've got small businesses in Sydney
33:35
Speaker 3: CBD doing it tough, paying full rent. But don't worry,
33:38
Speaker 3: We'll just give these eco terrorists free office space. I mean,
33:41
Speaker 3: only under Clover would this be allowed to fly. But again,
33:45
Speaker 3: people keep voting for her, people keep voting for people
33:47
Speaker 3: like Matthew Jompson, and quite frankly, at some stage you're
33:50
Speaker 3: going to get what you deserve. And this is what
33:52
Speaker 3: Sydney of Sydney, it is insane.
33:54
Speaker 4: I love the fact that one of the soul and
33:56
Speaker 4: well done to him, Lindon Gunn is well done, Linden
34:00
Speaker 4: all this idea intergalactically dim, I mean, what a great
34:03
Speaker 4: expression to actually sum up these puppets.
34:05
Speaker 1: Well, the place will be dim if they get their way,
34:08
Speaker 1: because they'll they'll stop all the fossil fuels from being burnt.
34:11
Speaker 1: And we well we'll have light for maybe fw hours
34:14
Speaker 1: if the wind blows or the.
34:15
Speaker 4: Sun changes rising tide. Want and office? Why don't they
34:19
Speaker 4: do what these small businesses and cafes and they have
34:21
Speaker 4: to do is actually rented and pay for themselves. But
34:23
Speaker 4: oh no, better to try and get the tax pay
34:26
Speaker 4: or the right pay to pay for it first, But
34:27
Speaker 4: what about.
34:28
Speaker 1: The twenty two large that the council already gave. I mean,
34:31
Speaker 1: they could have you go down to one of these
34:34
Speaker 1: you know, co working spaces. Right. The idea is if
34:37
Speaker 1: you work on your own, you can go and you
34:39
Speaker 1: pay rent and you've got an office and you work
34:41
Speaker 1: with other people. And they're like, I don't know, one
34:44
Speaker 1: hundred hundred and fifty backs a week or something, go
34:47
Speaker 1: and do that. I mean, that's not terribly expensive. Council
34:49
Speaker 1: gave you twenty two grand.
34:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't think these people shower, so I
34:53
Speaker 3: can't imagine they go too well, you know, like they're
34:56
Speaker 3: not too keen onto the odorant, personal grooming, personal hygiene.
35:00
Speaker 3: You know, it's not really their thing. That's why they're
35:02
Speaker 3: happy to sit on a kayak for a couple of
35:04
Speaker 3: weeks at a time.
35:04
Speaker 1: If the kayaks turnover, that that might be the closest
35:07
Speaker 1: they get to a shower or a bath.
35:08
Speaker 4: Fluid. Yes, well, perhaps certainly won't be going to Greenland
35:12
Speaker 4: anytime soon.
35:12
Speaker 3: Wasn't that.
35:15
Speaker 4: With Trump's plan to you know, take it over and
35:18
Speaker 4: considering paying Greenland residents each thousands of dollars part of
35:22
Speaker 4: a bid to encourage him to seed from Denmark and
35:25
Speaker 4: become part of the US. According to Waiters, the figures
35:28
Speaker 4: of rain from ten thousand dollars American tow one hundred
35:31
Speaker 4: thousand dollars according to the report, and there's a population
35:34
Speaker 4: I think a Greenland of roughly fifty seven thousand, so
35:37
Speaker 4: I guess that cost would add up to about six
35:39
Speaker 4: billion if they were to take up mister Trump's offer.
35:42
Speaker 4: But he's not been shy about wanting to take control
35:46
Speaker 4: of Greenland for many, many years. But as soon as
35:48
Speaker 4: it's sort of this story about cash coming in and
35:51
Speaker 4: buying an island and bribing people, people start getting upset
35:54
Speaker 4: about it. But I'd been interested to know the authorities
35:57
Speaker 4: of Greenla're saying no, absolutely not, and Denmark is saying
36:00
Speaker 4: absolutely not, You're not getting your hands on Greenland. But
36:02
Speaker 4: what about the average citizen? What would they actually think
36:04
Speaker 4: about Trump coming in and taking over being part of
36:07
Speaker 4: the US. I wonder I've not heard a lot about that.
36:10
Speaker 1: I would have thought if there's an offer of one
36:12
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty Australian one hundred and fifty thousand Australian
36:16
Speaker 1: dollars one hundred UK are US sorry, sitting on the table.
36:20
Speaker 1: It'd be a pretty enticing offered. Sure, let the US
36:23
Speaker 1: have the joint because, of course, the reason he wants it,
36:27
Speaker 1: and as he points out, the reason that others might
36:30
Speaker 1: want it is because it has vast minerals and resources.
36:34
Speaker 1: And so Trump is simply saying, well, I think the
36:38
Speaker 1: US should have it instead of other global powers. Here
36:41
Speaker 1: is if we don't take Greenland, Russia, what China?
36:45
Speaker 3: Well, and I'm not letting that happen. If we don't
36:48
Speaker 3: take Greenland, Russia or China will.
36:51
Speaker 6: Take Greenland, and I am not going to let that happen.
36:55
Speaker 1: Yeah.
36:56
Speaker 3: Sure, I'd looked at him and make a deal with them.
36:58
Speaker 3: It's easier one way or the other.
37:01
Speaker 1: We're going to have Greenland. See, And he says one
37:04
Speaker 1: way or another, which does open it up to the
37:06
Speaker 1: possibility of militarily doing something if he felled the need.
37:10
Speaker 1: I don't think he could because it would all hell
37:12
Speaker 1: would break loose. But that is how China or Russia
37:15
Speaker 1: would take it if they were going to do it.
37:18
Speaker 1: If there is a more peaceful way to do it,
37:20
Speaker 1: and the people of Greenland are on board, that is
37:23
Speaker 1: the biggest thing here. If they're on board, what's to
37:26
Speaker 1: stop them.
37:27
Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting though, because the US is already sort
37:30
Speaker 3: of a protectorate of Greenland. Already they have military bases there,
37:34
Speaker 3: and they're actually allowed under the agreement with Greenland to
37:38
Speaker 3: have as many military bases as they want. So it
37:41
Speaker 3: really does have to be about the minerals as opposed
37:44
Speaker 3: to saying this is about a strategic defense position, because
37:48
Speaker 3: the US basically already has those rights to go in
37:51
Speaker 3: and do whatever it wants to do on Greenland when
37:54
Speaker 3: it comes to defense, and obviously as part of the
37:56
Speaker 3: NATO program. So six billion dollars is probably pretty cheap
38:00
Speaker 3: for them when you think about it, though, because if
38:02
Speaker 3: you're starting to put boots on the ground anywhere, it's
38:05
Speaker 3: going to cost them more than that. You see all
38:07
Speaker 3: the defense experts come out and everything's multiples of billions
38:11
Speaker 3: of dollars. So, you know, I just think it's got
38:15
Speaker 3: to be about the minerals, that it can't be just
38:17
Speaker 3: about the defense.
38:18
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but I'm.
38:19
Speaker 4: Just such a fan out of the way Trump is
38:21
Speaker 4: moving all the chess pieces soar twenty twenty six. It's
38:24
Speaker 4: just the geopolitical moves you're making, I think absolutely eye watering.
38:28
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but those minerals, critical minerals and rare earths
38:31
Speaker 1: and stuff are themselves essential to modern warfare, which is
38:36
Speaker 1: a large part of why you want them as well.
38:38
Speaker 1: Speaking of modern warfare, Jews, have you seen the beaches lately?
38:41
Speaker 1: I don't know whether if you're in Sydney you'd know
38:44
Speaker 1: what the weather was like on the weekend, and the
38:47
Speaker 1: rest of the country I think copped it a little
38:49
Speaker 1: earlier than that. A few days before that it was
38:51
Speaker 1: hot down in Adelaide and Melbourne, et cetera. But if
38:53
Speaker 1: you try to get yourself a space on the beach,
38:56
Speaker 1: you might find it's a little difficult to do because
38:58
Speaker 1: everyone else has come along and taken all the space.
39:02
Speaker 1: And this is a fart. It's broken out before, but
39:03
Speaker 1: it's broken out again down on the Mornington Peninsula in Victoria, which,
39:07
Speaker 1: of course, at this time of year is a popular
39:09
Speaker 1: to respond to all the people from Melbourne with their
39:12
Speaker 1: little holiday homes, including mister Daniel Andrews. I believe like
39:17
Speaker 1: to go down to the Mornington Peninsula and spend some
39:19
Speaker 1: time there. And people have been rocking up to the
39:22
Speaker 1: beach in the morning and as early as like six am,
39:26
Speaker 1: and they get down there with those beach kabana things
39:30
Speaker 1: and set them up, and then they go home, and
39:33
Speaker 1: then they come back at that to know, midday or
39:35
Speaker 1: something when it's a bit warmer, essentially reserving their spot
39:40
Speaker 1: on the beach. That's on Australia. That is just not cricket.
39:45
Speaker 1: You can't go along and reserve a piece of the
39:48
Speaker 1: beach for yourself. It is a public beach. It is
39:52
Speaker 1: there for the benefit and the enjoyment of the public.
39:55
Speaker 1: You come, you put your towel or your cabana down,
39:59
Speaker 1: you go for a swim, you come back and sit
40:01
Speaker 1: underneath it. You can't rock up in the morning and
40:03
Speaker 1: just say well, that's my space for the rest of
40:05
Speaker 1: the day.
40:06
Speaker 4: Not these sand aristocrats I find actually infuriating. It's like
40:09
Speaker 4: the equivalent of parking across two car spaces and it's well,
40:12
Speaker 4: I'm fine.
40:12
Speaker 3: Jack, don't worry about it. You know, I don't care about.
40:14
Speaker 1: It in a way.
40:16
Speaker 4: But that's a great thing when you know this. When
40:17
Speaker 4: you go to Europe and even when you go to
40:19
Speaker 4: parts of Asia, these our beaches are free for everyone
40:23
Speaker 4: to use. You don't have to pay for a little
40:25
Speaker 4: rocky out creep like you have to do in Greece
40:27
Speaker 4: or Italy or something like that. So it is very
40:29
Speaker 4: mustrated and it's infuriating to get to the beach and
40:32
Speaker 4: see these giant blue and white stripe cabanas, and farmlies
40:36
Speaker 4: will say, oh, you know, it's some protection. I've got
40:38
Speaker 4: to look after the kids, and blah blah blah. A
40:41
Speaker 4: lot of them are empty, as you say so, and
40:43
Speaker 4: the councils can't do anything about ripping them down and
40:47
Speaker 4: moving them on, although I have seen people unplug them
40:49
Speaker 4: and take.
40:50
Speaker 1: The space, which I was secretly.
40:52
Speaker 3: Very happy to see that.
40:53
Speaker 4: But you just get there and use it and then
40:56
Speaker 4: leave and let someone else say slightly.
40:57
Speaker 3: Really, you know, I didn't know you could go to
41:01
Speaker 3: the beach in Victoria. I didn't realize that was a
41:03
Speaker 3: thing down there. I thought they sort of missed out
41:06
Speaker 3: on beaches.
41:07
Speaker 4: In Pential bell Pill fantastic.
41:10
Speaker 3: I remember going down to Angle Sea or like mid
41:12
Speaker 3: February and there were penguins walking along the beach. It
41:14
Speaker 3: was like a Tommy if he go commercial. Never thought
41:17
Speaker 3: they got the weather for it down there. But honestly,
41:20
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, people move people on. What if
41:25
Speaker 3: you go down you put your stuff there you've left
41:27
Speaker 3: everything there, and then people are going to make an
41:29
Speaker 3: arbitrary decision whether you've been sitting in there long enough
41:32
Speaker 3: and we're going to can't happen to look down. I
41:35
Speaker 3: don't know. I mean I must say, you know, you
41:37
Speaker 3: go to the beach, like over at Tel Aviv, they've
41:39
Speaker 3: got all the sun beds out all along the beach
41:42
Speaker 3: and you can just go and grab them. You don't
41:43
Speaker 3: pay for them, but they're just there. We just seem
41:46
Speaker 3: to have an objection to sort of having any structures
41:48
Speaker 3: on the beach, a Bondi. They wanted to put in
41:50
Speaker 3: a Bondai sort of beach club. No, we can't have that.
41:53
Speaker 4: You know, it's all the annexing of the space, planting
41:58
Speaker 4: and then going off the lunge or woolies or doing
42:01
Speaker 4: it getting hair done.
42:02
Speaker 1: It's just rude. I've been reminded in Mayor. Actually one
42:07
Speaker 1: person did famously go swimming down there, Harold Holt, and
42:10
Speaker 1: we never saw him again. But it is but it's
42:12
Speaker 1: just it's rude. Like I've been at the Cricket, as
42:14
Speaker 1: I said before, for a large part of my summer holidays,
42:18
Speaker 1: and I'm a member at Sakka in Adelaide and because
42:21
Speaker 1: it's the ashes, place is full. The first time I've
42:23
Speaker 1: ever had to fight for a seat in the members
42:25
Speaker 1: at Adelaide Oval. And there is a protocol. You can
42:28
Speaker 1: get there in the morning and you get a sticker
42:30
Speaker 1: and you can put your sticker on the seat and
42:32
Speaker 1: that reserves your seat during break times and before play.
42:36
Speaker 1: During play, it's open slather. If you don't come back
42:38
Speaker 1: to your seat after lunch, anyone can sit on it,
42:40
Speaker 1: but you need to have the sticker on if you
42:42
Speaker 1: are to reserve the seat. And my brother and I
42:44
Speaker 1: sat down in some seats without stickers on them, but
42:46
Speaker 1: turns around, Oh, my brother and his wife or whatever
42:49
Speaker 1: are sitting there, So I'm sorry. You just can't do that.
42:54
Speaker 1: Why are people route? They've just lost any common sense.
42:57
Speaker 1: They don't know what they're doing. You can't reserve that.
43:00
Speaker 1: He is not yours, whether it's on the beach or
43:02
Speaker 1: at the cricket. Just behave yourself.
43:05
Speaker 3: Well, you know, soon, the way that we're going with
43:08
Speaker 3: the weight loss drugs that are coming in at the moment,
43:10
Speaker 3: you won't need as much space on the beach because
43:13
Speaker 3: everyone will be just little waifer thin running around in
43:16
Speaker 3: the sand. But the Golden Globes were held last night
43:19
Speaker 3: and they were being referred to as the OZM Pick
43:22
Speaker 3: Awards because of the new Hollywood skinny that I'm not
43:26
Speaker 3: quite sure of it left but is now back in fashion.
43:29
Speaker 3: And there were some uber thin women in. I notice
43:32
Speaker 3: it's not the men, it's always the women that we
43:34
Speaker 3: look at these things in the frocks. I don't know
43:35
Speaker 3: if we've got some vision of some of the different
43:38
Speaker 3: actresses who were there, but all looking very very thin.
43:42
Speaker 3: Here we are on the red carpet. This is where
43:44
Speaker 3: I approved of everyone. That I've lost all touch with
43:47
Speaker 3: complete modern day pop culture because I have no idea
43:50
Speaker 3: who anybody is anymore, but all looking very very felt
43:55
Speaker 3: on that red carpet. But here in Australia we have
43:59
Speaker 3: just put we're going the first weight loss drug accessible
44:04
Speaker 3: on the PBS OS and pick is on the PBS.
44:06
Speaker 3: But that's for diabetes. But now GOV has gone for
44:10
Speaker 3: those who have a BMI over thirty five or have
44:13
Speaker 3: a pre existing heart condition. I just got a feeling
44:18
Speaker 3: this might be a little bit like the NDAs that
44:20
Speaker 3: everyone goes and get a diagnosis, that everyone who wants
44:23
Speaker 3: one of these weight loss drugs that all of a
44:26
Speaker 3: sudden they will be getting it via the PBS rather
44:28
Speaker 3: than the very expensive price that they are at the
44:31
Speaker 3: moment if you buy them from the chemist, not on
44:34
Speaker 3: the PBS. So taxpayer dollars may be funding a lot
44:37
Speaker 3: of people being given these prescriptions for well, goovy.
44:39
Speaker 1: Doctor, doctor, give me the news. I've got a bad
44:41
Speaker 1: case of loving food.
44:43
Speaker 3: Some stuff on here.
44:46
Speaker 4: I can see that argument, But at the same time,
44:48
Speaker 4: I think obesity costs us more fighting I think, and
44:52
Speaker 4: as legitimately they'll have to police it all, regulate it properly.
44:55
Speaker 4: But people who have had heart attacks or strokes or
44:58
Speaker 4: chronic diabetes because weight issues and can't afford these drugs.
45:02
Speaker 3: But these drugs are.
45:03
Speaker 4: Life transformed with people I know.
45:04
Speaker 1: I've been on them.
45:05
Speaker 4: It's really transformed their health, their weight, their body image,
45:08
Speaker 4: their mental health, things like that. So I do think
45:11
Speaker 4: there is an argument for actually putting them on the PBS.
45:14
Speaker 4: But as you say with ndis, how will it be regulated,
45:18
Speaker 4: because eventually these things get corrupted and become scam central.
45:22
Speaker 1: Well made of mine a few years ago went on
45:26
Speaker 1: a zimpic and his doctor put him on it because
45:30
Speaker 1: he was having you know, he was running out of
45:32
Speaker 1: breath and all this stuff, and he was worried he
45:34
Speaker 1: had a heart problem. And the doctor said, makes you're
45:37
Speaker 1: just a bit fat. You need to overwhap, you need
45:38
Speaker 1: to lose some weight. And his doctor said to him,
45:40
Speaker 1: you don't have shares in any gyms, do you? And
45:43
Speaker 1: he said no. Why is that? He said, because I'm
45:45
Speaker 1: going to give you this drug, and this is going
45:46
Speaker 1: to kill the fitness industry. Now I don't know that
45:48
Speaker 1: it has done exactly that, But the big problem I
45:51
Speaker 1: think with these drugs is you've essentially got to stay
45:53
Speaker 1: on them in order for them to keep working. If
45:55
Speaker 1: you don't address the diet and the things that are
45:58
Speaker 1: making you fat in the first place, you're basically you're
46:02
Speaker 1: signing up to a lifetime of having to use these
46:05
Speaker 1: weight loss drugs in order to keep the weight off.
46:08
Speaker 1: Is that really sustainable?
46:09
Speaker 3: Well, I think what'll be interesting to see that. So
46:11
Speaker 3: they foot well GOV on the PBS, but there's obviously
46:13
Speaker 3: a number of other weight loss drugs out there, so
46:16
Speaker 3: I think it'll be interesting to see how many people
46:18
Speaker 3: start using w GOOV rather than whether it's os and
46:20
Speaker 3: Pick or Monjaro whatever, some of the other weight loss
46:24
Speaker 3: drugs are being used. But look, I don't know whether
46:27
Speaker 3: it's killed the fitness industry, but do you see the
46:29
Speaker 3: article in the paper of the weekend. It's killing the
46:31
Speaker 3: big breakfast so cafe bringing out much in a smaller
46:36
Speaker 3: sort of breakfast because of everyone is on the JAB.
46:40
Speaker 3: And I can't tell you how many people I say
46:42
Speaker 3: and they go, oh my god, I've lost this, but
46:44
Speaker 3: I'm on the JAB.
46:45
Speaker 1: Like it's yeah, I know.
46:46
Speaker 3: I think it's very, very common, and so it'll be
46:48
Speaker 3: interesting to see who starts moving to Wogovy rather than
46:51
Speaker 3: the others if they can get it on the PBS.
46:53
Speaker 4: Well, speaking of skinny bays, perhaps two nepo babes, there's
46:56
Speaker 4: a new row in the Breckham sorry, the Beckham camp.
46:59
Speaker 3: I yes, so they're eldest Brooklyn farting with the.
47:03
Speaker 4: Kid yea, who I would say is pretty brady basically
47:06
Speaker 4: has now said his parents only deal with me through lawyers,
47:08
Speaker 4: all because his mother Victoria like to post on his
47:12
Speaker 4: social media where he cooked the chicken with big So
47:14
Speaker 4: this is where the level of you know, absurd celebrity
47:17
Speaker 4: dysfunction has got to. And I really feel for Victorian
47:20
Speaker 4: Dave in the situation because their son needs to pull
47:23
Speaker 4: his head in and reconcile his family.
47:25
Speaker 3: Well, do you remember what he was named after?
47:27
Speaker 1: Yeah? Where he was conceived?
47:29
Speaker 3: Where he was conceived. So if you don't grow up
47:32
Speaker 3: having a bit of a weired issue where your parents
47:34
Speaker 3: go and announce we named you after where we had
47:37
Speaker 3: a shag spinking about Well, Mary uh saved a child,
47:42
Speaker 3: So therefore we're going to call you that. I mean,
47:45
Speaker 3: what would you have copped at school?
47:46
Speaker 1: And evening to all the people called Holden commodore watching
47:51
Speaker 1: the programs not or Sandman back of the panel, unlucky
47:56
Speaker 1: After the break, younger and younger people are parent putting
48:00
Speaker 1: their names down to get a nose job. What is
48:02
Speaker 1: behind all of this? We'll talk about that in just
48:04
Speaker 1: a moment. I need to see the doctor to get
48:10
Speaker 1: a nose job. Apparently, apparently it's going off now. Young
48:14
Speaker 1: girls just reporting the ABC today. They're saying that they're
48:17
Speaker 1: going in at eighteen years old, saying they want the
48:20
Speaker 1: Barbie nose, which is like a ski slope, it sort
48:23
Speaker 1: of bends back upwards. What have we done to kids
48:26
Speaker 1: with social media and stuff?
48:28
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's poisonous in particular for girls. I think you're
48:31
Speaker 4: obviously seeing celebrities with these fake noses. But the problem
48:34
Speaker 4: is that they put these nose. Our noses are commercion
48:37
Speaker 4: with our faces, aren't they. That's the kind of thing
48:39
Speaker 4: they might to sort of blend in summer. But these
48:41
Speaker 4: girls then have to get other surgery to build around
48:44
Speaker 4: these noses. They look weird.
48:46
Speaker 1: You're all right as you are, kids, I have to
48:47
Speaker 1: tell you, and very quickly, while we're talking about take
48:50
Speaker 1: a look at these kids in Pennsylvania during the halftime
48:54
Speaker 1: break at a hockey match, playing a hockey match of
48:57
Speaker 1: their own. As they used to sing at the Rugby League,
49:18
Speaker 1: bring back, bring back the bit.
49:19
Speaker 3: Well, I reckon a few of those kids might need
49:21
Speaker 3: a new nose job.
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Speaker 1: Indeed, thank you very much for watching tonight Up next
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Speaker 1: part one of Tony Abbott's documentary Australia a History. Good Night,