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Wander the World: The trend of culinary travel · Wander the World with Pippa Hudson

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  Speaker 1: This is catal talk well, speaking of wherever the road
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  Speaker 1: leads today, we want to talk about the kitchens the
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  Speaker 1: road is leading us to, or the street food vendors,
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  Speaker 1: the wine farms and more. It's all about traveling with
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  Speaker 1: your taste buds in wonder the world today, and I'd
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  Speaker 1: love to hear from our listeners. Have you ever planned
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  Speaker 1: an entire holiday around a dining experience. Did you fly
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  Speaker 1: to the other side of the world to go and
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  Speaker 1: eat in a restaurant that somebody had raved about? Or
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  Speaker 1: plan an entire trip abound wanting to taste a particular
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  Speaker 1: kind of street food that has always seized your fancy.
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  Speaker 1: Where did you go, what did you eat, did it
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  Speaker 1: live up to expectations? And would you do it again?
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  Speaker 1: We're talking food eat travel with a bit of a
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  Speaker 1: difference today because, according to the World Food Travel Association,
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  Speaker 1: around a third of global tourists spending is now going
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  Speaker 1: towards food and drink experiences, and travelers are increasingly siting
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  Speaker 1: cuisine and wine regions or food traditions as a primary
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  Speaker 1: driver in their choice of travel destination. You know, I
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  Speaker 1: think back to some of the travel I've done, and
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  Speaker 1: my memories are mostly firstly relating to food. If I
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  Speaker 1: think of Rome, I remember the watermelon gelato on a
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  Speaker 1: hot day at the Spanish Steps. If I think of
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  Speaker 1: my recent travels to Brittany, it's the apple caramels and
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  Speaker 1: the apple the cure that are brought home with me
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  Speaker 1: that are going to be the thing that always stays
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  Speaker 1: in my head, alongside the experience of visiting San Marlow.
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  Speaker 1: If you know, Bali last year was about the street food,
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  Speaker 1: about the crunchy lumpia, about the cocktails on the beach front.
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  Speaker 1: So much of my travel memory is driven by the
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  Speaker 1: memory of food, and I suspect my guests joining us
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  Speaker 1: today might feel the same way. She's going to talk
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  Speaker 1: to us about some of the interesting foody destinations to
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  Speaker 1: add to your radar, and I'd love to hear from
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  Speaker 1: you about the ones you've already visited. Keep those WhatsApps
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  Speaker 1: coming to seven two five six seven one five six seven.
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  Speaker 1: It's a pleasure to welcome back to the show, travel
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  Speaker 1: correspondent and writer Gabby Brundani with us. Gabby, and I
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  Speaker 1: hope it's a delicious good afternoon to you.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, definitely a good afternoon.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us. Let's start with the kind of
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  Speaker 1: the big picture here. We're talking here about culinary driven travel,
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  Speaker 1: not just sort of food being part of the experience.
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  Speaker 1: We go to Paris because we know we'll get nice
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  Speaker 1: croissants on the side of you know, the museums we're visiting.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about food being the main event. Are you
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  Speaker 1: seeing that becoming increasingly a sort of a primary driver
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  Speaker 1: of people's travel decisions.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So travelers these days we're looking for a lot
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  Speaker 2: more authentic experiences and food is one of the quickest
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  Speaker 2: ways to really connect with the destination's culture. Food and
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  Speaker 2: really it tells a story of a place. It talks
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  Speaker 2: about the history, the traditions, the climate, the people, the culture,
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  Speaker 2: all of those beautiful things that make a place as
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  Speaker 2: unique as it is. And I think why this trend
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  Speaker 2: resonates with South Africans. South Africans were naturally a very
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  Speaker 2: social group of people, particularly around food. So whether it's
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  Speaker 2: a brie where that's a Sunday lunch, or gathering around
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  Speaker 2: a table with friends and families, food has always been
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  Speaker 2: central to how we celebrate and how we connect. And
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  Speaker 2: I think that's why culinary travel feels so natural for
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  Speaker 2: travelers from South Africa. It's also about slowing down. It's
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  Speaker 2: about sharing meals and just creating memories rather than rushing
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  Speaker 2: from one tourist attraction to the next. We also have
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  Speaker 2: a growing appreciation for local produce, your wine, your autismal foods,
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  Speaker 2: so destinations that celebrate regional cuisine are becoming increasingly appealing
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  Speaker 2: to travelers from South Africa.
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  Speaker 1: It's my kind of travel you're describing. I think I
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  Speaker 1: have told the story before, but one of my favorite
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  Speaker 1: travel memories is of being in Florence. And actually I
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  Speaker 1: didn't enjoy my experience of the city that much because
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  Speaker 1: it was so devilishly hot when we were there. I
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  Speaker 1: could hardly, at seven months pregnant, pick myself up off
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  Speaker 1: a chair to go anywhere. But I will never forget
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  Speaker 1: the experience of spending about six hours in a little
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  Speaker 1: restaurant sharing a salad, and then half an hour later
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  Speaker 1: ordering a pizza, and then an hour later ordering a pasta,
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  Speaker 1: and people came and went, and you know, for one
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  Speaker 1: hour we shared our table with a postman from England.
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  Speaker 1: In the next hour it was an Italian who lived
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  Speaker 1: around the corner. It was the most rasselig afternoon we've
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  Speaker 1: ever had. In the middle of Italy, and you're so
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  Speaker 1: right in saying there is something about the way we
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  Speaker 1: like to eat together as South Africans that leans into
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  Speaker 1: that space, and yet some people don't seem to get this. Guby.
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  Speaker 1: I think one of the most depressing things for me
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  Speaker 1: anywhere in the world is if you arrive in a
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  Speaker 1: beautiful destination, like I remember arriving at Bologna, the food
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  Speaker 1: capital of Italy, and seeing a queue out the door
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  Speaker 1: at McDonald's and thinking to myself, do you know what
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  Speaker 1: you're missing? And I know it feels familiar and it's
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  Speaker 1: maybe inaccessible in a place to get a cup of
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  Speaker 1: coffee and charge your phone and get free Wi Fi.
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  Speaker 1: But why would you want to travel to the other
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  Speaker 1: side of the world and then eat in the same
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  Speaker 1: place you would eat in at home. I've never quite
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  Speaker 1: been able to mesh those two. Do you think that's
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  Speaker 1: starting to change, that that more people are starting to
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  Speaker 1: get a little bit more adventurous terms of what they're
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  Speaker 1: prepared to try.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, because I think a lot more people, as we've mentioned,
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  Speaker 2: are looking for more authentic experiences. And if we are traveling,
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  Speaker 2: because being in South Africa, when we do travel particularly
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  Speaker 2: long Ball. It does take us a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: time to get to those destinations across the world, so
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  Speaker 2: once we're there, a lot more people are looking to
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  Speaker 2: try new things and sort of venture out of their
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  Speaker 2: comfort zones. Even from a foody perspective, I completely get.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a mom to a toddler, so I completely get
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  Speaker 2: if there's like an emergency nugget stop at McDonald's.
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  Speaker 1: Literally, I think that gets a free pass.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, But I think definitely a lot more people are
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  Speaker 2: sort of venturing into the foody space, and I think
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  Speaker 2: it's not even necessarily a case of you have to
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  Speaker 2: be a foodie to enjoy culinary experiences and culinary travel.
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  Speaker 2: There's so much more to culinary travel, which appeals to
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  Speaker 2: all different ages and types of travelers, so it's not
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  Speaker 2: even for luxury travelers or retired couples or again foodies.
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  Speaker 2: Families can enjoy cooking glasses together. There are some stunnying
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  Speaker 2: cooking glasses in Italy, in France, in Portugal that you
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  Speaker 2: can do together. In South America, couples a lot of
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  Speaker 2: them enjoy wine tasting and romantic dining experiences, and solo
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  Speaker 2: travelers often find food tours and shared meals are also
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  Speaker 2: a wonderful way to meet new people. So yes, the
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  Speaker 2: culinary travel trend is definitely appealing to quite a broad
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  Speaker 2: portion of travelers.
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  Speaker 1: It's such an important point you just made about the
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  Speaker 1: solo traveler, Gabby. I did a trip on my own
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  Speaker 1: in April, and for part of it I joined an
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  Speaker 1: organized bus tour for two days, and up until the
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  Speaker 1: point that we ate together, everybody remained kind of in
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  Speaker 1: their own little bubble on the bus where we're going next.
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  Speaker 1: We kind of introduced ourselves, but the ice was broken
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  Speaker 1: when we arrived at the first destination and tasted food
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  Speaker 1: together and started talking about what we were eating and
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  Speaker 1: who liked what. It was the ultimate icebreak. It's such
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  Speaker 1: a great way to connect with people that you don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I absolutely take your point. Mandy writing on the WhatsApp
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  Speaker 1: line about how much she loved the food in Thailand,
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  Speaker 1: and she says I would go back there just to
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  Speaker 1: taste the food, but particularly the street food. In the
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  Speaker 1: case of Thailand, I'd love to hear from other listeners
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  Speaker 1: who feel that way, that the food alone is worth
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  Speaker 1: adding a destination to your travel bucket list or makes
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  Speaker 1: you want to go back again. And tell us what
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  Speaker 1: it was particularly that you enjoyed eating gubby. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it wouldn't be a travel conversation without sharing some travel
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  Speaker 1: suggestions of destinations that hit the mark for this particular conversation.
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  Speaker 1: Are there any that you'd pick out?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely so, I think a lot of South Africans we've
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  Speaker 2: already really visited your major cities, like your Paris or Romes,
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  Speaker 2: your Barcelonas, which are beautiful. One of the interesting ways
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  Speaker 2: where a lot of people, a lot more people are
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  Speaker 2: starting to explore travel wise and from a culinary focus perspective,
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  Speaker 2: are river cruisers, which is a completely different perspective, taking
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  Speaker 2: you into much smaller towns and villages than most tourists
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  Speaker 2: actually get to experience. France for example, of course, astronomy
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  Speaker 2: is a way of life, so France has long captured
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  Speaker 2: the world's culinary imagination and experiencing the beautiful rivers throughout France.
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  Speaker 2: With the river cruise you've got, for example, your UNI
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  Speaker 2: World's eight day crews through Burgundian Provance, it's very very
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  Speaker 2: clear why so you can visit Lyon and savor all
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  Speaker 2: the different beautiful wines from the region, the incredible astronomy
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  Speaker 2: from the region. You can stop off in Auvignon. They've
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  Speaker 2: got their famous covered markets which overflows with locally grown
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  Speaker 2: fruits and vegetables. You've got your seafoods, your cued meats,
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  Speaker 2: your cheeses and optismal breads, which of course France is
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  Speaker 2: very very famous for. You've also got your Portugal, which
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  Speaker 2: is very very popular. So this is the art of
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  Speaker 2: unharried eating. So the Dora Valley in Portugal, it's one
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  Speaker 2: of the oldest cultivated landscapes in the world. So basically
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  Speaker 2: you'll have a front row seat on a river cruise
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  Speaker 2: to this incredible landscape. Porto, which is portugal second city
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  Speaker 2: after Lisbon and home to the nation's famous port wine.
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  Speaker 2: It's really such a treasure trove of discoveries for the
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  Speaker 2: foody traveler.
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  Speaker 1: I've got a friend who went all the way to
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  Speaker 1: Portugal just to go and eat the pastash donetta in
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  Speaker 1: Belem at that one particular place that is famous for
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  Speaker 1: the macandre over the name of the bakery right now,
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  Speaker 1: But literally planned an entire trip around that and when
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  Speaker 1: I asked her after she got back, was it worth it?
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  Speaker 1: She said, it absolutely lived up to expectations. Every single
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  Speaker 1: bite we are in conversation with travel writer Gaby Brundani
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  Speaker 1: talking about food driven travel and not just you know,
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  Speaker 1: going to a place and then oh yes, we ate
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  Speaker 1: nice food while we were there, but literally traveling with
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  Speaker 1: food and gastronomical experiences as your primary focus, whether you
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  Speaker 1: are going to learn how to make pasta in Italy
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  Speaker 1: or to go and taste as many cheeses as you
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  Speaker 1: can in Holland, wherever it is, whatever it is you
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  Speaker 1: might be trying, Gabby, I so take your point about
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  Speaker 1: the river cruising experience, having now done three self drive
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  Speaker 1: river trips in as in Belgium with the boat. The
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  Speaker 1: best best part of that experience, besides the sort of
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  Speaker 1: slow pace and ability to just slow down and breathe,
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  Speaker 1: is hopping on a bicycle, cycling into the nearest tiny town,
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  Speaker 1: finding its market, buying you know, cheese that was made
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  Speaker 1: five hundred meters down the road from a farmer who
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  Speaker 1: knows the name of every cow and sheep and goat
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  Speaker 1: on his farm. It's extraordinary. It's a beautiful way to
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  Speaker 1: experience the countryside and to really, as you say, dive
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  Speaker 1: deep into the authentic side of a country, not just
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  Speaker 1: the very fancy expensive, you know, main main tourist sites
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  Speaker 1: in the big cities. I totally take your points on
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  Speaker 1: that one. Italy we've mentioned several times now and it's
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  Speaker 1: been certainly the place where I've had some of my
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  Speaker 1: best foody travel experiences. Everybody seems to think, okay, Naples,
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  Speaker 1: you go and try the original pizza gelato in Rome.
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  Speaker 1: Bologna is famous as a food capital, but I believe
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  Speaker 1: Northern Italy is also when you talk about the river
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  Speaker 1: cruisers in particular, one that should be kept on the
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  Speaker 1: list gabbysolutely.
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  Speaker 2: So Italy it really is a celebration of culinary pleasure.
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  Speaker 2: So you've got a lot of variety in Italy. So
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  Speaker 2: you've got your rustic rural meals and farmers' markets all
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  Speaker 2: the way to your mission and start city restaurant experiences.
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  Speaker 2: So Italy, it honestly is an absolute master class in
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  Speaker 2: the joy of food. So taking a river cruise through
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  Speaker 2: the waterways of northern Italy, it really puts you in
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  Speaker 2: the middle of Italy's most underrated food regions. So I
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  Speaker 2: think your cured meats, your risotto's, your stuffed pasterns like
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  Speaker 2: your Tortellini's, and all of those incredible, incredible foody experiences
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  Speaker 2: and as you go furst out, you'll discover the secrets
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  Speaker 2: of of course Tuscan cuisine, the wine. You can enjoy,
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  Speaker 2: incredible cooking classes, you can explore local towns and villages
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  Speaker 2: and some all some of the regions best in specialties.
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  Speaker 2: And I think I'm glad you mentioned that you had
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  Speaker 2: actually done an organized tour previously. One of my most
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  Speaker 2: memorable experiences on a tick that I did, we were
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  Speaker 2: actually in Barcelona and we went into a Payella cooking course,
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  Speaker 2: which was something so incredible, also on my own and
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  Speaker 2: just learning over a food. The experience also just bonded
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  Speaker 2: the group, which is very cool. And I know a
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  Speaker 2: lot of your organized tours, like your Trifolgar tours, your
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  Speaker 2: inside vacations, all of those kind of tours, a lot
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  Speaker 2: of them organize and have the option for you to
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  Speaker 2: actually go and learn to cook with families from those regions.
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  Speaker 2: It's very small, intimate experiences and it's almost something you
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  Speaker 2: probably wouldn't necessarily experience if you had to plan it
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  Speaker 2: on your own. So these are experiences. A lot of
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  Speaker 2: the credible travel brands have that reputation within the regions
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  Speaker 2: that they operate where they have the opportunities that on
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  Speaker 2: the ground, they know who all the locals are, where
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  Speaker 2: they can offer that really personal way to experience a destination,
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  Speaker 2: which is something so special.
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  Speaker 1: I found several of those opportunities on trip Advisor Gabby,
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  Speaker 1: for example. I'm thinking back to twenty nineteen when I
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  Speaker 1: went to Amsterdam and I wanted to do today sort
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  Speaker 1: of trip out of the city into the local countryside,
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  Speaker 1: and one of the things I found was a bicycle
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  Speaker 1: tour that took you into the countryside, passed and windmills,
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  Speaker 1: et cetera, but also included an afternoon with a local
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  Speaker 1: cheesemaker who literally took us through the process of making
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  Speaker 1: Dutch garder. It was a phenomenal afternoon. You know, eight
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  Speaker 1: more cheese than I should have looked and sort of thought,
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  Speaker 1: how am I going to get some of this home?
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  Speaker 1: And you've got to be very careful about what you
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  Speaker 1: choose to take home and how it's packaged and what
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  Speaker 1: gets declared at customs. I'm not encouraging anybody to smuggle
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  Speaker 1: produce back, but it is an amazing way to sort
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  Speaker 1: of get a real sense of the culture of the
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  Speaker 1: country you're visiting. Trevor writes to say, sorry, just my
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  Speaker 1: screen just refreshed there. Trevis is having traveled far and
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  Speaker 1: wide and experienced food in Mexico, all over Europe, Thailand,
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  Speaker 1: and the USA. The best foody countries for me are
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  Speaker 1: firstly Japan, secondly Italy, and third Thailand. Of course France
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  Speaker 1: is fantastic too, And Trevor, look you straight up on
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  Speaker 1: the top of my bucket list with Japan. It's a
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  Speaker 1: country I've never been to that's very much on my list.
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  Speaker 1: And I've heard the same thing from everybody I know
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  Speaker 1: who has been there, that the appreciation not just for
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  Speaker 1: the how different the food is, and you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: a very different eating experience, and the culture of dining
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  Speaker 1: and the way restaurants operated, cetera is very different, but
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  Speaker 1: just the sense of what's the word I'm looking for,
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  Speaker 1: The sense of the communal dining experience, Gabby, of eating
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  Speaker 1: together being more than just putting fuel into your body.
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  Speaker 1: The sense of ritual around it is something people have
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  Speaker 1: said to me, is so special in Japan. Absolutely okay,
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  Speaker 1: so lucky you, Trevor. Japan, Italy and Thailand on his list.
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  Speaker 1: Fatima writes to say, we had the most beautiful chicken
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  Speaker 1: and waffles served at the Gladys Knight restaurant in Atlanta,
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  Speaker 1: and a tasty Thanksgiving pumpkin pie for dessert in Illinois.
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  Speaker 1: You know, and you're straight away taking me back to
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  Speaker 1: the Thanksgiving I spent in the States as a child,
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  Speaker 1: Fatima and pumpkin pie and being presented with this vegetable
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  Speaker 1: that I'd always hated at home It's South Africa, suddenly
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  Speaker 1: cooked as a dessert, and giving the side eye to
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  Speaker 1: the person telling me, come on, try it, you'll love it,
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  Speaker 1: And boy, where they're right. I've never had my pumpkin
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  Speaker 1: with marshmallows on it again ever since. Though, I've got
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  Speaker 1: to say, please do keep the messages coming. If you
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  Speaker 1: have had a foody tourism experience, you want to share,
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  Speaker 1: whether it was the sole reason for your travel, or
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  Speaker 1: the primary driver of your travel, or a happy side
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  Speaker 1: effect that you stumbled upon while visiting something else. What
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  Speaker 1: did you eat and where? What would you recommend? If
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  Speaker 1: somebody is wanting to plan a trip around eating delicious
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  Speaker 1: things and trying new dishes, where should they go and
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  Speaker 1: what should they order? I'm happy to keep this going
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  Speaker 1: into the second hour of the show. Gubby before we
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  Speaker 1: are out of time. I mean, we've mentioned joining organized
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  Speaker 1: trips can be a good way to find an authentic
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  Speaker 1: sort of homestay, you know, really really traditional way of
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  Speaker 1: learning to cook a dish. Any other recommendations for listeners
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  Speaker 1: who want to perhaps break out of their comfort zones
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  Speaker 1: a little bit and say, I do want to try
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  Speaker 1: something new, but I don't really know where to start,
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  Speaker 1: and expect to be paying for food when you're doing
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  Speaker 1: the currency exchange rates you but nervous to get it wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Any broad advice, So I think maybe one of the
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  Speaker 1: most simple ways.
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  Speaker 2: You don't even have to go big. For that matter,
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  Speaker 2: if you are in an overseas country I know Europe,
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  Speaker 2: it's very popular. A lot of even just the coffee
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  Speaker 2: shops like Start Small have big, long communal tables. Don't
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  Speaker 2: sit at a table on your own, maybe just sit
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  Speaker 2: at one of the chairs. People will start joining you.
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  Speaker 2: Just start a conversation. Very simple. You don't have to
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  Speaker 2: do anything big or grand. From that perspective, Also, when
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  Speaker 2: you are looking to do or any kinds of cooking
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  Speaker 2: experiences or things like that, just be aware of where
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  Speaker 2: you are booking with, who you are booking with, because
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  Speaker 2: I think on the Internet it's easy to get caught
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  Speaker 2: off god by maybe not reputable companies. So just be
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  Speaker 2: aware your travel well booking dot com do you usually
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  Speaker 2: have like some options Airbnb have their experiences. I know
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  Speaker 2: you've mentioned trip advice. I'm a big fan of trip at,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of those options, Lonely Planet, there are so
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  Speaker 2: many of them. Just do your research, make sure they
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  Speaker 2: are credible, and before you do book with a host,
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  Speaker 2: for example, just do a little bit of a Google
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  Speaker 2: search just to search to make sure it is legit
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  Speaker 2: and that there are reviews. So peer reviews are quite
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  Speaker 2: a big thing from this perspective.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's such great advice. I mean, the worst thing
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  Speaker 1: to imagine having parted with your money, arrived so excited,
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  Speaker 1: made your way to the destination, only to discover the
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  Speaker 1: cooking class doesn't actually exist. What a terrible bad test
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  Speaker 1: in the mouth. Pardon the pun that would leave Gabby. Thanks,
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  Speaker 1: there's been wonderful having you on the show this afternoon,
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  Speaker 1: and appreciate the tips that you've shared. Hopefully it's encouraging
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  Speaker 1: a few more people to be a little bit bolder
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  Speaker 1: and explorative in their next travel in terms of what
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  Speaker 1: they choose to put into their mouth. And great to
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  Speaker 1: chat to you this afternoon. Thank you, thanks for joining
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  Speaker 1: US Travel Correspondent Gabby Brundani