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Tony Kamel Believes in Life and You Should Too, ep. 320 · Basic Folk

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[SPEAKER_05]: Welcome to Basic Folk where we have honest conversations with folk musicians on the bluegrass situation.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's Cindy and Guess who is here.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Lizzie no.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's your girl.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Here we are, hanging with the girlies on basic folk.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, Cindy, I miss you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We have so much to catch up on.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I hope our audience doesn't mind if we take some time to just catch up on each other's lives.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I was with two incredible basic folk alumni last night, having the time of my life, laughing, crying, clapping the whole nine.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It was my first time seeing a show at the Bluebird Cafe in Tennessee, the legendary Nashville music venue.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And it was a writer's round hosted by the Irish singer-songwriter Pat Bern, who I did not know, but I am now a big fan of.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He lives in Austin, really cool songs, really great voice, cool presence.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And his special guests were Jamie Harris and Brian Dunn, and Brian had a new song out at midnight, so there were new songs being shared, there were stories being shared, just like three great, great singer-songwriters in the round.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It really reminded me why I moved to Nashville because like that is what this city brings out, you know, the great songwriters.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And what's good with you?
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[SPEAKER_04]: You are by my count one month out from being a mom at the time of this recording.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_05]: However, when this recording is released, it will have happened.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, my gosh, how are you feeling?
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[SPEAKER_05]: How's Elizabeth feeling?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Everyone's feeling great.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We just got a nursery chair delivered today.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Is it comfy?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh my gosh, we splurged.
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[SPEAKER_05]: There's like, that's the thing that people are like, get a good one.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, you can get like a really affordable one and this one was not bad, but
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[SPEAKER_04]: I have heard that because that is like going to be your comfort in the middle of the night after night.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You need to, you need a good chair.
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[SPEAKER_05]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So Tony Campbell is on the podcast today and before we get into Lizzie's conversation with Tony, I would just want to remind you that if you'd like to stay in touch with the basic folk, the best way to do it is to sign up for our newsletter, which you can do at the link in the show notes or you can go to basic folk.com.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We now have a baby to support.
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[SPEAKER_04]: If you're listening to this episode as it comes out, it is summertime and I Lizzy know and potentially coming to a town near you on tour.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I have tour dates in Illinois, South Dakota, Virginia, some festivals and playing the North Carolina Folk Festival.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That sounds so fun.
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[SPEAKER_04]: A very fun summer for Lizzy No fans.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So go to LizzyNo.com slash tour.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Get tickets, please.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm really excited about these shows.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And grateful that I still get to keep touring in the midst of this crazy world that we're in.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I also want to say congrats Lizzie for being mentioned.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's been a while now as this, we're recording this in May and this episode comes out in July, but congratulations on being featured on its better minute talking about only fans.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you so much for bringing that up.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I am really happy with how the original interview came out.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I was for listeners that may not know I am on only fans now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's a crowdfunding thing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's a little bit adult and edgy.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And there are some really cool aspects to that work that I was stoked to talk about and share my side of the story of.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And this wonderful reporter Isabella has
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[SPEAKER_04]: reported on it in NPR and it's like an empowering way to tell a complicated story.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Amazing.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you can check that out in its better minutes podcast feed.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I just want to say that Khan has disallowed nudity on the red carpet.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So get on only fans.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think that that is wild and ridiculous because there is nudity in the films that are shown at Khan.
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[SPEAKER_04]: and it is obviously art and it is obviously beautiful and fine and we are adults and we can choose to see nudity or not.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So to outlaw a sheer dress on the red carpet, that is not okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That is misogynist.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We don't like, no, hate.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Who has ever been harmed by seeing someone in like a sheer outfit?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Can we be really honest?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I know this is like a family friendly podcast, but who is harmed by seeing a nipple through a gown?
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's just not a big deal.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's just way bigger fish to fry in this world.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That being said, Tony Kale!
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[SPEAKER_04]: I am overjoyed to introduce our audience to this wonderful singer songwriter and human being.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You may recognize Tony's voice and face and vibe from his acclaimed bluegrass group Wood and Wire.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But the focus on our interview was his two wonderful solo albums.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We're all going to live just came out.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And it is a realist optimists guide to navigating a complex and often heartbreaking world.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, there's something so encouraging about the songs, so humane, so empathetic.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And it's rooted in bluegrass, but I found it to be like really well-rounded contemporary country, folk,
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[SPEAKER_04]: great singing, great songwriting, super fun album even though it deals with some heavy topics.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And one of the parts of the interview that like kind of was most thought provoking for me was talking to Tony about the differences between being in a band versus being solo artist and how when he got into bluegrass he really liked just wanted to be able to gel with and collaborate with other musicians and he was like they let me hang out because I was a great singer and then I started, you know, really figuring out the guitar.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, he didn't say, I'm a great singer, but it was like, you know, there's kind of a culture in bluegrass where you really want to be a picker and he didn't want to show up and not have the goods.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So he kind of had his voice as his foot in the door.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And then he just got to work and got all his skills up and he says he's not a good guitarist still, but I really enjoy his playing on this album.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And he's a dad.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We talked about how being a parent changes everything.
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[SPEAKER_04]: including being an artist.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's a really cool interview and I'm excited for people to get to know Tony's solo material because it's really really good.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Great.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, let's take a listen to a song from the new record.
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[SPEAKER_05]: This is one of my top songs of the year.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Let's do making it work from Tony Camel and then we'll get to our conversation with Tony and Lizzy know on basic folk.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Where you feeling in your day?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Around the world, three times over again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My, my, my, the years go by.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Some of my fears like we won't ever end.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I got the way that you got the means.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Then it's just like any old
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[SPEAKER_02]: Making a work, making that the way to get deep in the dirt.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Listen at the scenes, preachin' to the choir.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Don't let them out the world don't fire.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Making a work is gonna have to work around here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Man, you got to get you a thirty year plan.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I sat down and wrote it out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The lucky set did do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's under your best cliche.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna die, we're all gonna die too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I got the way, if you got the means.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Then it's just like any old thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm making it work, making it work.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I hate that the way to your deep in the dirt, but sitting at the scenes, preaching to the choir.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, Tony Campbell, thank you so much for making the time to be on basic folk.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We are fans and are excited to have you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: My first question to you is why do you write songs and then why perform them?
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[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, thanks for having me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a fan as well and I'm honored to be here.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why I write songs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of write songs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like because I have to sort of it's as a form of emotional and artistic expression.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't write a lot of songs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not one of those people that write songs every day or even every week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I go months without writing anything and I think any songwriting book will tell you you should write something every day and I just don't do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I do when I feel like I have something I want to write about or I should write about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes I don't even really like writing songs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It can be a struggle or it's like I fight against my own weird insecurities or something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really know how to explain it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But part of the why, frankly, is the answer to the next question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I write songs because I want to perform them and I like to perform for people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love performing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love being in front of crowds and expressing myself that way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ultimately, to me, that's sort of the ultimate part of this whole thing is playing shows.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Have you always been a performer?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Did you ever have stage fright?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Were you born a ham?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I might have been born a little bit of a ham, but at some point, as I was growing up, I definitely developed a stage fright.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't really get on stage until later in life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in the beginning of me performing music, I was definitely had really bad performance anxiety.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And eventually I got over it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it's because I wanted everything to be perfect.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would fall apart at any little mistake.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and I haven't played a single show since that time where I haven't made some kind of mistakes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I make mistakes every single night and it's actually usually the more often I've performed to song and the better I know it, the more likely I am to forget a very important bridge lyric that people came to the show to see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Every single time.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's going to be the one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, even when I know it's coming, I still, I still mess it up.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That is the Zen cycle of being a performer.
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[SPEAKER_04]: When and where did you first hear the call to Bluegrass and how did you answer?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got into Bluegrass late.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I grew up in Houston, Texas and
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[SPEAKER_01]: not exactly a bluegrass mecca, but as I was growing up, I got into full music, you know, old folk music like towns, bands and Texas artists that are sort of legendary in that way, and even Willie Nelson, you know, and that's kind of where I found the songwriting side of it, but then in high school, jamb bands were a really big thing to fish, street cheese incident, all the typical ones from the late nineties early, two thousand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They played bluegrass songs in their sets.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even though I wasn't a big jamban header, a big fish head.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They played bluegrass songs in their sets and those kind of spoke to me and then I when I got to college at University of Texas.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I worked backwards.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have a big media art at Fine Arts Library with tons of music.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I check out old new port bulk recordings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I got all recordings of Earl Scrogs and and Ralph Stanley and eventually Doc Watson is what hooked me in to try to learn how to flat pick.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So you were getting CDs and putting them on a computer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All was studying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I dump CDs on my hard drive and then listen to him later.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I did the same and in high school I thought I was like getting away with something illegal and maybe I was.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I was like, I know on the entire Led Zeppelin catalog.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So what was your first instrument and how did it come into your life?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Was it given?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Did you choose it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: My mom had an old classical guitar in a closet and I found it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had a few strings on it and I would mess around with those probably eleven or twelve.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I still have that guitar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I play it every day almost.
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[SPEAKER_01]: on my couch super accessible, something I can grab anytime.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I was, you know, wanted to learn, I was like an end of Frank Zappa, Led Zeppelin, and Ozzy Osborn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm from my thirteenth birthday, I got electric guitar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was when I really started to dig in.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Did you ever take lessons or are you self-taught?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm self-taught, but I wish I had taken some lessons early on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was just so stubborn that I didn't want it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't like to be told what to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I still don't, and I still fight against that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I wish I had stuck with piano lessons.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I took a few piano lessons when I was young.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I quit them so quickly, and I regret that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What's your relationship like with practicing even like teachers aside?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I go through bouts where I over practice I think sometimes I like to practice and blue grasses would taught me to practice because I could always sing I could always sing and and here in Austin where I live
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's some excellent bluegrass players when I started to get into the scene, I couldn't really play, but I could sing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was allowed to be in, or I was welcomed into this sort of, I don't know, higher level picking circles because I could sing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I wanted to be able to pick two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I started practicing real hard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then my old band would and wire.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We formed before I was very good at playing guitar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I still am not that great of a flat picker, but during that time, I couldn't do any of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was, I had to catch up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I, it's the old adages around yourself with people who are way better than you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what I did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I practiced really hard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now I like to practice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes I get into these weird little cycles where I'm doing stuff that I'll probably never play on stage, but but it's good exercise.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, you've led me into what was going to be my next question.
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[SPEAKER_04]: How did the band would and why are come together?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Essentially, we met here in Austin through the music scene.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the most simple way to put it, but there was a Monday night bluegrass night at a place called Flipnotics Coffee where the players in town would
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a jam in a sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't an open jam.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like a performance jam.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like there was a mic in the middle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's kind of like what they do at Mona's, you know, probably somewhere where they put together a band and then they perform traditional songs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it doesn't matter who the people are as long as they know the formulas they can do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's where I met the guys in Woodawire and then eventually went to the old settlers, Bluegrass Festival where I got to know them better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or of old settlers, music festival, I should say.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, I know.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I know those folks, nice people.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are there aspects of...
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[SPEAKER_04]: how you show up as Tony Campbell's solo artist that you feel like are inherited or borrowed from your wooden wire days, like how does it affect you as a solo artist to have been in that combination of people for so long?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm still figuring that out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, I learned the value of being around really, really good musicians and working really hard on something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when I play all by myself,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I focus really hard on making that fun and compelling, because not just another dude with a guitar.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I think there are so many of y'all right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know, thank God, I played a banjo.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of, I do, it's a banjo too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know you're absolutely right, Lizzie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's so many of us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's in the back of my mind, constantly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How can I make it different?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think,
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[SPEAKER_01]: part of wooden wire.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was a big part of our thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We played a genre music that has a specific formula that has people who think it should only be that formula.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People who think it should be way outside.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we really tried.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it happened pretty naturally to make our own version of it, make it unique, make it compelling and make it something that people who like bluegrass music and other types of music.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to enjoy because it was different and unique and our own.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that journey I'm still on as a solo artist as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And honestly, when I have a full band and I'm playing under my own name, it's not really bluegrass.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's drums, electric guitar and stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We won't tell anyone.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What was your vision when you started recording back down home?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, did you have an idea of, this is what I want to sound like as a solo artist, and this is why I'm making a solo record?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good question because I was trying to figure that out, and I had a lot of help from Bruce Robinson, the producer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we basically went into that studio, and the bunker, it's an all analogue studio, and a few of the musicians that were in there with me, I knew really well, and a few of them I'd never met.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I never really worked that way for something I was so dedicated to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was a little nervous, but we sort of found, I had a lot of questions around what this was gonna be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we kind of found it together and it was exciting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was kind of like when you're getting together with the band and someone introduces a song and you kind of don't know exactly what the arrangement is going to be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then you find it and it gets really exciting and there's that emotion of feeling you get when it hits.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what we were chasing in that session.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we were trying to find that and then ride that wave while we had it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, it's all live.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I didn't re-sing anything and a lot of the people, everybody was in the same room for that one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We did overdose and stuff, but my vision for that was just to make something cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think we accomplished that, but it was definitely different than I had in my head in the beginning than it was at the end.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's a cool record.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I've, well, I've noticed on both of your solo records there are a lot of like very tactile moments and snatches of conversation that remind you that what you're listening to is a recording of
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[SPEAKER_04]: particular people playing particular instruments in a particular space.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So why is it important to you to include whatever improvisation, specificity, spoken word, little, I don't even know what to call it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But you know what I'm talking about, those little like situational details that you could, you could edit out, but it seems like you very intentionally keep certain ones in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... column peaks behind the curtain i like that stuff you know i included it because i like that stuff it's my preference it's my uh... taste and as i said earlier i don't really like being told what to do and that's not a huge part of my personality but when i was becoming a musician
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[SPEAKER_01]: trying to figure out who I was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I found peace and and everything in that journey and just doing the stuff that I like and I like that kind of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like spoken word weird stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Peaks behind the curtain that give you a little moments that show that these are human beings in a room playing music or something that someone thought of.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For example, like spoken word example.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I listened to T.L.s episode with Carolyn Kendrick and there's a bunch of spoken word on that record and it's really unique and weird and I think that's what makes it cool and there's a lot of thought put into it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it just shows intention and I like that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, and I think we're coming up to a time where that feels more important to people.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I have a theory on like, you know, the romanticism of
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[SPEAKER_04]: things you can touch and see and feel like in audio recordings, even.
21:25
[SPEAKER_04]: And like, when you think, what was that big Dochi single that blew up last year?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, you don't see, you're, hopefully we're about to enter a new era of rap skits and voice mails and souvenirs of real people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Rap skits are such a long, awesome tradition that I'd like to see more of, you know, and maybe even integrated into other genres, you know, I think it's sort of a hip hop tradition.
21:51
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot of fun growing up in Houston, you know, hip hop music was it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I wasn't a huge hip-hop band, but I definitely had a fair dose of it.
21:59
[SPEAKER_01]: But I just feel like people are looking for more, more interesting things.
22:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, there's, you can't just put out the music anymore, maybe.
22:12
[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe that's frustrating.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's a thing that can be annoying as an artist, but if you like to make stuff, then just make stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And make more of it, I guess.
22:21
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the way out.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Period.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Period.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Make things.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I don't want to forget to ask you about this question about amen.
22:30
[SPEAKER_04]: So the opening track of your first album, it's a big swing because amen is like, that's what we all say when we agree.
22:38
[SPEAKER_04]: And you're asking some big questions with a reverence.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I guess do you have a spiritual practice?
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[SPEAKER_04]: And are you bringing humor to your, like, why is humor important in terms of asking the big questions about life and death?
22:57
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have a spiritual, a specific spiritual practice, but I think that, I mean, I do, you know, I, am I.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do yoga and stuff so I do feel connected to something I guess and that's not just because of the yoga but just by feeling small and and feeling in a sense you know experimenting with certain
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, like a lot of people have started doing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You was psychedelics and things like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I definitely feel small and insignificant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that makes me feel connected to something in a weird way, connected to something that I can't control.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it is very cheesy and cliche, but it's true that I think it's a little bit, I don't think it's, I think we're too small to say that there's nothing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, uh-huh out there, maybe, uh, since we just don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, that I guess that's the best way I can answer my spiritual, the spiritual question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've never really been asked that, and I still don't really know the answer to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't practice a specific religion or anything like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I grew up Catholic, and I feel connected somewhat to Catholicism on a, just because that's how I grew up and, and everything, but not really, you know, I'm not a practicing Catholic at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And humor, to me,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think it's again, another sort of cliche and obvious thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just as someone who's been through a lot of difficult things and had it really easy in a lot of ways, too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think humor is just something that exists in just about not every situation, but you can find light and humor in places after you've felt
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[SPEAKER_01]: After you've fully felt the darkness, if it's a tough situation, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that humor can be really good thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you haven't blocked out the difficult part of whatever the situation may be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yes, I'm always trying to find humor humor is ways to express certain things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't want to make them too obvious, you know, they're more like little Easter eggs.
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[SPEAKER_04]: When did you become a parent?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Four years ago next week.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Congratulations.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: How does being a father change who you are when you're out in the world playing music?
25:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Just makes me miss home a lot more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I already did, especially when your kid is young, if you're gone for too long.
25:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I, it feels way longer to them than it does to you even when it's a long time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So everything's bigger in their world.
25:54
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, two days feels like a long time to them.
25:57
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you may remember being a kid and being like thinking about how long it's going to be until schools out or something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, everything feels long.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's kind of constantly in the back of my mind is just if I'm traveling
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[SPEAKER_01]: And not just her, like I want to be home to be with my wife as well and keep nurturing this little world that we've all built together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's the question is more like how hasn't it changed who I am in the world?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I hate to be too obvious about it because everyone says it, but it is true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's every little perspective is just slightly different now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Do you sing with your daughter a lot?
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's getting there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She sings in tune.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of can't believe it when she was not even a year and a half old and was, or she was even younger than that, like she could hum the melody to Twinkle Twinkle Little Star in two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was in a sort of inside of her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think a lot of kids that age before they could even speak.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I was that way.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I was singing first.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's genetic.
27:04
[SPEAKER_04]: Tell me about the writing and arranging of father and a daughter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it started one day here in Central Texas when we had a big freeze.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was all the oak trees were getting really heavy under this ice that had formed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't sort of a sweet rain thing happening and it was like five degrees, which doesn't happen that much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So all the limbs were weighing down and breaking and falling to the ground from really high up, it sounded like shotguns and bombs going up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But my daughter and I were in our backyard and she just wanted to be outside.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She didn't care how cold it was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Kids love to be outside.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're just playing outside and he's limbs were falling to the ground and it was freaking me out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like trying to keep her out from underneath all the trees.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And eventually I got too cold.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, we gotta go inside.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of how the first verse came about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was a song I wrote many years ago that wasn't very good that I stole a few lines from.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I keep every song.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I write.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't write that many like I said, but I'll even the ones that I aren't very good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I still keep filed away because I think I've been doing a long enough now to where there's good stuff in them and I'll steal from them later.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And a lot of stuff comes back.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What format do you save your snippet in?
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[SPEAKER_01]: a really horrible unorganized hodgepodge of voice memos and Google docs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then a couple of notebooks full of scribbles that don't make any sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm the most unaware.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am not organized in my creative process at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know what it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a mess, but when something strikes me, I try to strike back and go with it as hard as I can, you know, because I don't really, I'm not real scheduled.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Although, if I had to be more so, since I've had a family, that is one thing I've got a little better about is trying to do more, even if I don't feel like it, because I'm a lot less time.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And it's like, I don't really believe there's one better or worse way.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think the capitalist Protestant worth work ethic makes a lot of people think they need to get up every day at six and do it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And it's like, if your life demands that, then do that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I think there are a lot of us for whom we naturally move on different cycles.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And there's nothing wrong with that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I think it's, I think there should be more books written about that style.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I don't read, I don't read songwriting books.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've read a few.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not against it by any means.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the few that I've read, I'm like, well, shit, I'm not doing this stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that mean my songs suck?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think they do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And also, like, I, and by the way, I've gotten plenty of good tips out of those about, you know, clearing your head, ways to clear your head of stuff and everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the, one of the consistent themes I've seen is like, yeah, you got to write something every day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You got to put something, pen to paper every day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think that's correct.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's the only right way to do it.
30:06
[SPEAKER_01]: So I agree with you completely.
30:08
[SPEAKER_04]: I think if you're a songwriter, you're gonna write songs and if you need advice, it should just be about how to get out of your own way, get organized.
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[SPEAKER_04]: at it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I do think there is some of it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's a lot of it that's just hard work, but you can't teach someone to want to write songs.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You have to be obsessed with it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's only one woman's belief, but I think you have to need to do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you can teach people to do it well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that I agree with you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You kind of have to be obsessed with it.
30:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm obsessed with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In a sense, I don't even like doing it sometimes.
30:46
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm, I hate to say that, you know?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Who does?
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's still a job.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's like something you have to do to get something out in the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's very satisfying though.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I've learned a lot from them because when I, when something does work out and it's something I, I enjoy and can get behind an improwd of, I, it feels really satisfying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like I did, I worked hard.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Let's talk about the cover of your new album.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What happened?
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[SPEAKER_04]: And are you okay?
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[SPEAKER_04]: And why do you, Tony Campbell, condone violence?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was a constant beat up by a makeup artist.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And and just and charges will be brought and there will be there will be justice and accountability for that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean this figuratively and metaphorically, but life is violent things are hard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a quote that cover represents, which for those of you who haven't seen it and are listening, it's a picture of me who beat up with bloody lit, bloody nose and but I have a smile on my face and
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[SPEAKER_01]: That comes from my grandmother, my grandmother and I were really close and she, our family went through some horrible, some really tough times when my dad got sick and passed away and some other stuff happened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But she told me, eventually, life starts to knock you around, you've got to be ready to fight with a smile.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that really stuck with me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then as those difficult times started to or continued, I noticed when she wasn't breaking down and she was consoling us, she'd have this little smile on her face.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then that quote will come back in my hand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then she passed away.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that just always stuck with me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And as I was writing these songs, I noticed a lot of them were about little difficult times in life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I wanted to express them in a positive light.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's supposed to be an uplifting record.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the idea is when you get into those difficult situations, you're not supposed to run from the darkness and run from the fight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You feel all that as much as you can.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then when a light starts to appear, then you walk towards the light.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not like I'm not trying to express some sort of toxic positivity situation, but that that's the basic aspect of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I wanted to I've been sort of
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[SPEAKER_01]: fearful of being too artistically expressive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought that the idea for that cover was a little risky, but then honestly, nothing really matters.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this whole thing is like do whatever you want.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what I wanted to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to be more expressive artistically in the cover as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm glad we did that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had fun doing the photo shoot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it kind of like I talked about before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like to try to tie things up in a bow and make them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: fit together and stuff like that.
33:51
[SPEAKER_04]: It sounds like you have a really clear intention for what you want your music to do for people.
33:58
[SPEAKER_04]: Can you talk about that a little bit?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've never been asked that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good question, Lizzy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think in this case, I didn't even think about other people until it started coming together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't really think about how some of this stuff may help other people until it came together because I've always I've realized that one point like you don't really get to choose how people interpret your music.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if I intended to do something inevitably someone would
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[SPEAKER_01]: find some other way to use it, even, you know, I don't get to choose how it helps them or hurts them or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I tried to keep that out of my mind, but as things were coming together, I sort of cautiously hoped that this record would be a lift for people that are going through difficult times and and give them some strength to to fight, I guess, you know, I didn't necessarily start off that way, but
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[SPEAKER_01]: I always hope that people have positive experiences with the stuff I make and that's no different in this case.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's felt, where do we hear Austin on this record?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think you do very much on this record.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If I think through it, I tend to write more about on the first record you hear a lot of Gulf Coast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I grew up in Houston and that's near.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just not far at all from the water and I grew up going down there all the time, grew up swimming in that dirty water.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you get sort of a sense of place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and that in that first record way more so than this one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I don't, I don't write a lot about Austin necessarily, but or central Texas like a lot of, I think, traditional, traditionally a lot of Texas based songwriters do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But so I guess like, I guess you don't hear it in this record.
35:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I guess that just might be the answer to your question.
35:57
[SPEAKER_04]: Interesting.
35:58
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
35:58
[SPEAKER_04]: It's definitely a shift.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I was curious, like, what's local and what's what's a journey?
36:05
[SPEAKER_04]: I'll have to listen back with that in mind.
36:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do write about real experiences.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess the only way you can hear Austin this record is that a lot of these experiences happened here, namely the ones who my daughter and that's about it really.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I will say, okay, here's one spot is in a father and a daughter where I talk about live oak trees and this the area of Austin, I'm outside of Austin and dripping spring Texas and it's just covered in these covered in big live oak trees and they're really pretty in my opinion and and so I think you can hear it in that in that moment.
36:42
[SPEAKER_04]: Now, what excites you about folk music right now?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Who should we be listening to?
36:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Good question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think folk music is always exciting because it's in a lot of cases.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's current.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what exactly excites me about folk music that didn't excite me from the beginning, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The good writing is good writing, whether it's folk music or anything else.
37:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I really like the Carolyn Kendrick record.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Although, I think it's one of those records that can be, it's really a risky subject matter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I like it because it's real and it's something that she was in the middle of researching and and going through one of my favorite songwriters here in town is a guy named Silas Lo.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not he's more he should be more well known in my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a really good record out called
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[SPEAKER_01]: wandering father forgotten son.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's several years old, but his dad, he had sort of a his dad abandoned him, but they've rekindled their relationship later.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he was a songwriter too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So half of those songs are his songs and half of them are his dad song.
37:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow.
37:56
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's sort of a reckoning of their relationship and song form.
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[SPEAKER_01]: which I think is a pretty strong thing.
38:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I like the Deslons a lot and they're, yeah, they're so good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Riley downing the one of the members of that band has a solo record out that I think is just fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then my all-time, my most current songwriting hero is Dan Reader, who I discovered four or five years ago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The reason he's such a big hero of mine is because he does whatever he wants.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He writes about all this funny stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then also here in Austin, a fiddler named Beth Prisman, who I'd love, and she and Silas.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Grisman with a G?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, C, C, C, I try it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Grisman, I'm a big fan of hers as well.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, these are great recommendations.
38:55
[SPEAKER_04]: Thanks for doing my job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One more thing is Melissa Carper.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you like country music.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's so great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she's she's I've known her a long time and I just think she's just one of the best truly.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She's really special.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, Riley downing taught me how to two step.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I got to give him the shadow on the pot.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Thanks, Riley, for putting me on.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, will you do a lightning round?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Don't think too hard.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Just blurred it out.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, sure.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Who's your favorite author?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm going to go with, I'm going to go with Larry and make Mercury.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What's your favorite summer beverage?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sparkling water.
39:34
[SPEAKER_04]: What, which animal will you be in your next life?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Not want to be, which animal will you be in your next life?
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[SPEAKER_01]: A hippo.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What's your least favorite household chore?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Change of diapers.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Rough.
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[SPEAKER_04]: God bless.
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[SPEAKER_04]: One instrument you wish you knew how to play.
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[SPEAKER_04]: piano.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Do you are there any instruments or sounds you will never hear on a Tony camera record?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Nope.
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[SPEAKER_04]: If you could be a limbic level, proficient at any sport, what would it be?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Golf.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What's the perfect age to be?
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[SPEAKER_04]: And finally, what is one song you wish you had written?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wish I had written.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, that's the hardest question you asked me in the sliding round for sure.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, we got you warmed up with the easy beverage thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Golf.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go everybody hurts by R. M. I don't know why.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've just been liking that song lately.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's a perfect song.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a good one.
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[SPEAKER_04]: recording here in Georgia.
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[SPEAKER_04]: This was a great interview.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you so much for talking with me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Everybody go, get we're all going to live.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's a beautiful, beautiful album with a real, get up and go vibe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks Lizzie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a big fan and I really enjoyed meeting you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks so much to Bluegrass situation and the basic podcast is awesome.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you so much!
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[SPEAKER_05]: This episode of Basic Folk was produced by Anthony Cabrera.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Dietrich Strauss composes our music.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Basic Folk is a production of the Bluegrass situation.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You can find all of our episodes there.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You can check us out on basic folk.com, folkalli.com or folkalli's mobile app.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You can also search for Basic Folk on Sirius XM's app.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Or you can listen wherever you get your shows.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Send this episode to your crush you coward.
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[SPEAKER_05]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We love you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We love you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We'll talk to you next time.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Bye.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Bye.