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#41 Paratruther - David Icke & The Matrix Of Modern War · The Arterburn Radio Transmission Podcast

• 0:17
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm with David Icke in your studio, in Iconic Studio.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_00: So I appreciate you being here in your own studio for having me.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_00: No problem.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_00: I was um talking with Gareth, and we had a talk on his show just before this, and uh it was fortuitous.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_00: I was supposed to be here in October and I had to cancel.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_00: But today, of all days, is the anniversary 23 years ago was the beginning of the Iraq War.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_00: And so I was 23 years old, and uh that was my third foreign war.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_00: And um I'd just gotten home from Afghanistan, and of course the lead up to all that.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_00: It was March 18th, that's when we gave the deadline for um Saddam to get out of Iraq, give up power, all the rest of that.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's 23 years on, David.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_00: I've learned a lot, and uh I have some questions for you about that.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_00: When you look at what's going on today, we have the new w repackaged uh neocon experiment with Iran.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_00: But aside from Zionism, aside from the military-industrial complex, is there another reason that we are continually drawn back to this region, in your opinion?
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I I I think the region is is very significant um energetically.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, there's a a whole um emerging area of scientific research which goes under the name of the electric universe.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_01: And they um point out with enormous evidence, by the way, that the universe is a electrical system, electrical electromagnetic system.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_01: And if you could see the universe on another level, because we can only see a tiny, tiny band of frequency called visible light, um, you would see that the stars, the nodes uh are nodes uh like planets and stars are nodes of this um electrical system.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_01: Now this starts to explain the whole idea and concept of ley lines and meridian lines uh on Earth, because these this meridian line network is um uh an expression of that universal network and how it works.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_01: And uh I learned a long time ago, like you know, 30 odd years ago, that where these um where these lines cross creates um a vortex.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_01: Where enormous numbers of lines cross creates a massive vortex.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_01: And as the years have gone on, I've realized that what these vortexes do is they thin out because in their the way they operate, they thin out the dimensional differences between this dimension and another dimension, which is known as the astral dimension.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_01: And um it's in these uh vortex areas that the Satanists do their rituals.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I've talked to Satanists all over the all over the world over the over the last uh three and a half decades, and uh they uh describe how um this um vortex allows entities in this astral dimension, entities that I say are actually behind human events, uh to come in to the major rituals and and manifest.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_01: And so when I look at the obsession with the Middle East, um these uh these things come to mind immediately.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um places like uh Jerusalem and and and other places in the Middle East are um, I would say, massive vortexes on this ley line system.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, the system goes out uh electrically and electromagnetically.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_01: In fact, there's there's a I did a two-part series for iconic uh called um Albi and Heart of the World, which is all about the ley line system because Britain is a really powerful center of this ley line system, which starts to explain why these tiny frickin' islands, I mean tiny, have had such an impact on the world.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, because if you can um focus uh and and and and affect in terms of frequency, in terms of information, these key areas of the the global ley line system, it impacts upon the very field of uh energy information that we're interacting with.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's like if you can impact uh download um information to the internet, then you're affecting the entire internet basically in in in in how it interacts with with with um with the user.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_01: And it's the same with um with this this ley line system.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_01: If you can um dictate its frequency, you can dictate the information that's flowing through it, you can impact upon human perception.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_01: And these are the deep, deep levels of um knowledge that are kept from us, but they're not kept from what I call the global cult, which is this uh global network of secret societies with an interlocking leadership that is driving um human events, driving events in human society, it's driving the wars, it's driving the deprivation, it's driving all these uh uh things we'd we'd rather uh not be happening.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and what they do is within the enclosed um uh degree system, if you like, of the um secret society network, the the global cult, as I call it, advanced information, including all the stuff that I'm talking about now, and then some are passed on through the generations of these initiates.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_01: Not to Bill and Joe down the lodge, but to the inner core.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_01: And this same um uh network, this global cult, and the major players like your Rockefellers and your Rothschilds and all these people, they have been responsible for creating the sources of information that the public get their perceptions from.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_01: So uh, like the Rockefellers, massively centrally involved in the uh public education system in America.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_01: Now Bill Gates is up to his neck in it as well, who's a Rockefeller gopher.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um and so they own the media, of course, the media now getting smaller and smaller in terms of its ownership, but they've they've they don't just own the media, they've created most of it uh through the through the years.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_01: And so on one side you've got this advanced knowledge being passed on through the generations of global cult initiates, and on this side you've got the global population being told only what they need to hear so they can serve this without having any idea even that this exists.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_01: And and this is um and and this this whole ley-line system, electrical universe.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the brain, how does the brain process information?
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_01: It does it electrically, electromagnetically.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just reading a book called the electromagnetic brain, full enough.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_01: And so um the brain is interacting with this electrical system, it's all one unit, and the whole foundation of it from this point of view, uh, this cult point of view, is to control human perception.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_01: The whole deal is based on that.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_01: Controlling human perception, which controls human behavior, and censorship is about censoring other explanations of events and reality, so that basically the vast majority of the population only hear what the cult through its various political uh uh media um corporation gophers puts out.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_01: They only hear that.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_01: And so they're forming their perceptions from a fraction of the information uh that is possible.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_01: That's what censorship is about.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_01: That's why during COVID um you had uh, or what's called COVID, you had um massive censorship of anything that was challenging the World Health Organization um narrative uh because they wanted people only to believe that and not see there were other explanations.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_01: Who created the World Health Organization?
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_01: The Rockefellers in 1948.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_01: So it it all connects in the end.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_01: Uh but the you know we we can we can look at the Trumps and the Harrises and the Starmers and the Farages and all these people, uh, and we can think uh that's the conspiracy.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's not.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's not.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_01: That's the big mistake I would suggest that people make.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_01: That's a way it plays out.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_01: Where it's coming from is actually another dimension of reality, and it's served in this human dimension by this global cult.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_01: And the reason so many, as I've realized very early on in the 1990s, when I started investigating this, uh, and now, of course, with the Epstein files and and everything else, is it's it's now coming out more and more.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_01: But um, that's why these um these these major cultists in this global cult, that's why they do satanic rituals and and ritual sacrifices.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_01: They're doing it to these entities in this other dimension.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_01: And again, I've talked to Satanists around the world, many who were who observed it against their will, others who'd seen the light and come out of it, um, and they tell you um that's what they're doing.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_01: They're doing sacrifices as a gift to the gods, and we can get into why why it's a gift.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_00: Well, as I was telling Gareth as we spoke earlier, um I was part of the tail end of the invasion of Iraq, and we're talking about energy.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_00: And when we crossed over from the border of Kuwait into Iraq, I felt it.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_00: And maybe I'm more sensitive to that.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_00: I was this is 23 years ago, but I'll never forget then I turned to my driver and I said, This is a really bad idea.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_00: And it was the again, it was the tail end of the invasion, uh, which was a consequence of you wrote the trigger.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_00: You wrote it was which is an achievement, by the way.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_00: There's nothing like it.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_00: And I've referenced it many times on my shows and recommended it if you really want to unpack and understand what 9-11 represents, that that's the book to go to.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_00: And so it made me think to ask you when I was on my way up this morning.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_00: There's there's so many things that lead up to 9-11, of course, and the consequences of that, the trigger itself and the Iraq war, and we're even seeing that play out today.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_00: But you mentioned the the big rituals and the behind-the-scenes, even the energetic fields.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_00: There's uh an event that I always go back to, and I wanted to get your opinion on this.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's September 11, 1990, exactly 11 years to the day, almost to the minute of the announcement of what had happened in 9-11, which was George H.W.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_00: Bush going before a joint session of Congress and invoking a new the New World Order three times.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_00: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_00: Remember it.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's exactly 11 years.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_00: And so I don't think things like that are accidents.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_00: It's almost like it's laying a spell, it's a groundwork of what's to come.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um Do you see that?
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I could talk about that for ages.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how long you've got to.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_01: Because um I've always worked on the principle since I uh I'd had my head head blown off and and um in 1990 and started to see the world completely differently.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_01: I've always worked on the principle that whatever I know, there's always more to know.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_01: So um what I see in so much of the alternative media, uh, or what's called the alternative media, is um you they kind of open their minds from the the universal prison cell, if you like, and then they stop.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_01: And they stop at politics, they stop at finance, they stop at corporate corporations, Silicon Valley, and all that.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um but you don't stop because if we have the humility, first of all, if we realize that we can only see a tiny, tiny, it is a smear even of the electromagnetic spectrum, never mind the reality we're looking at.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_01: And therefore, uh it needs humility to realize that whatever we we know or think we know, there's always more to know.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_01: That's the one thing above above anything that you cannot challenge.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_01: There's always more to know.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_01: And so what I've been doing over the years is when I started in the early 90s uncovering this global cult and it and how it how it uh operated and the structure of it, um, very simple structure actually, um, behind all the apparent complexity.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_01: Uh then my next question was, okay, so when did it start?
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_01: And then you go, you go, you go back, or what we call back, I mean it's a or it's all an illusion, um, to pick it up in the in the ancient world, this this cult and how it's come uh to present day expanding its its region till it's now global.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_01: And then you go, well, so people have been coming into this into this cult, they've served it, uh and and and and which is basically its foundation is the constant centralization of power.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: And then they've died, and then others have come in and they've served it, and they've died.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: So so there has to be some coordinating force that spans this period that's actually orchestrating it.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_01: And then that's when you you start to go into um the the non-human realm and into a another uh dimension of reality, uh, which is known as the astral uh dimension.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, people uh look through their eyes and they think that all we they all all it that's in the space that they're looking at they can see.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you say, well, can you see everything in the space you're looking at?
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_01: They go, yeah.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_01: But they don't.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_01: They see this tiny band of frequency, visible light, which is why I'm looking at a wall, I'm looking at you and a table and and cameras, etc., and lights, and in between all those forms, I'm seeing empty space.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's not empty space, it's full of energy.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_01: Every dimension in infinite reality exists in the same space we're sitting in, but it appears empty space uh to us because these forms are all vibrating within the frequency band of visible light.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_01: So we see them.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: The space in between is vibrating beyond the the limits of visible light, so it seem seems to be empty space to us.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's not.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_01: So from that perspective alone, you look at it and you go, I think there's always more to know, right?
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_01: So um I went through um uh uh this this whole uh uh uh kind of concept of the the other dimensional entities, and then uh it started to occur to me that this whole reality is actually a uh a simulation.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's a it's a uh using the term of the the movies, it's a matrix.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's a it's a fake reality.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um and we can get into uh how it works, it's it's quite simple the way it uh this the structure of how we uh interact with it.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and you have um you have this um this matrix, fake reality, which is designed f for many things, but more than anything, it's designed to control and hijack our perception of reality.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_01: So here we are, we're talking about Trump, and we should, we should.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: We're talking about Trump and we're talking about politics and we're talking about corporate things and um and media and all this, but that's the play out level.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: The very and they're quite happy if you just focus on that and nothing else, because that's what they don't want you to know.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_01: So um the very foundation of the conspiracy to enslave humanity is not even Donald Trump, it's the fact that we are living and experiencing a reality that is absolutely nothing like the one we think we're experiencing.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_01: So um if you um when people talk about heaven, they look up, don't they?
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_01: They go, Well, I wonder if I go to heaven.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: I wonder what heaven's like.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_01: But actually it's not like that.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's it's exactly um the same in principle as uh radio stations, television stations.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: They they share the same space, but they're on completely different wavelengths, so unless they're very close on the dial, they don't interfere with each other.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_01: So this astral dimension, where these entities exist that are manipulating human society through the through this cult, uh are in this room.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_01: They're they're everywhere uh in terms of the astral dimension, um, but we're not aware of it because we are on a different wavelength.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: So you you have that um level uh that's manipulating through this global cult.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_01: So the next question uh we can get into how the matrix works, like I say, it's relatively simple to explain.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: But the next question uh after that, obviously, is why the hell would anyone do it?
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: Why would they create a m uh a fake reality to enslave perception what's the point, mate?
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_01: Well, there is a point.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_01: And what it is is that this this this other dimensional force, which takes the form of of entities, yes, but uh ultimately it's a state of consciousness through which these entities are expressions.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's feeding off human energy.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_01: And I can't uh you know describe a better scene to symbolize it than Morpheus in the Matrix holding up the battery, who said um the Matrix is a computer-generated dream world designed or built to turn humans into into this, a battery, because they're feeding off our energy.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_01: Now, this is the point, mate, which which will really come round to uh your point about wars and why they we continually have them.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um it's a particular type of energy.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_01: This um, if you like consciousness that that is is driving all this from this astral dimension, it's um described in many, many ancient cultures, it's described in religious uh beliefs and what have you, like um this consciousness is distorted, it's um uh chaotic, it's uh schismatic, it's it's it's a real mess, right?
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_01: And uh but it it's it's it's it has a power that's based on keeping what's happening from the target population.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_01: So if if I know infinite more in infinitely more about what's happening than you do, I gotcha.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_01: So that that's the dynamic between humans and um and this this consciousness.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: And it it it um seeks therefore to use human.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Humans as its energetic sustenance.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: So therefore, it wants humanity to produce chaotic, schismatic, uh um upheaval uh consciousness energy that it can absorb because it can't absorb the balanced uh energy of joy, of love, of um harmony, of balance.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_01: Not interested in that.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: So suddenly you you start to get the reason why, throughout what we call human history, um first of all, the few have always controlled the many, but also um it's always been uh uh overwhelmingly chaotic and and it's upheaval and war and deprivation and stuff like that, especially um in recent centuries.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_01: And so um it has no interest in a world of love, a world of joy, a world of harmony and peace, because it can't absorb that.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_01: It wants the energy of fear, of um uh regret, of hatred, of war, of conflict in all its forms, uh, of uh uh resentment, of regret, anxiety, all these things, because that gives off the energy that it can absorb and and and and and is empowered by.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, this is mainstream science.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: Every time we think and every time we feel an emotion, we are generating a frequency.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that this is the frequency that we call vibes.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I got bad vibes from him.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: He well, what do you what do you mean you got bad vibes from him?
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_01: He he he seemed like a nice chap, he did.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_01: No, I got bad vibes, mate.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_01: That's because you can't hide the vibration they're giving off, but that you they can hide food they are from you through their facial features and their bonhomie.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: So um we're giving off this energy all the time, and and and joy and love is a is a high fast frequency, a very balanced frequency.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_01: And these other low vibrational frequencies uh uh uh surrounding the base frequency of fear is um a very low, slow, chaotic frequency.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you talk about, I mean, you've experienced the madness of war.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's that's just an expression of the energy that is actually running this show.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and so the more um wars, conflict, deprivation, uh, despair, fear that you can generate, the more um uh that energy is produced by the mass of humanity.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, think of the First World War, the Second World War, Gaza since October the 7th, uh, Iran uh uh and elsewhere now.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: The energy, what what what what uh has been given the name Louch, this low vibrational energy.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_01: The energy that those things are uh are giving off.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um and so you have this um global cult which is serving the agenda of that other dimensional force.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_01: That's like I say, that's why you have these satanic ritual interactions.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_01: And the the role of this global cult within our reality is to generate, manipulate events that will trigger that low vibrational energy.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_01: And that's why we have had constant wars, constant conflict, deprivation, suffering, worry, fear, anxiety.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: That that's why it's manipulated.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't have to be like that, but it's made to be like that by this global cult because of um because of what it what it generates in terms of energy.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_01: So you think of the COVID thing.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_01: Could all the the fear that that will that that generated alone, never mind everything else.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's interesting you mentioned the Matrix.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_00: I wrote in my notes on the way up here.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_00: I was thinking of there's a scene where uh Agent Smith, I believe he's talking to Morpheus, and he's he says, now look out the window.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_00: This is the height of your civilization, and they're basing this off of 1999.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_00: And of course, Neo's passport expires on September 11th, 2001, in the movie.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_00: Uh do you think that that that dialogue has a point as you look back on your life and everything you've experienced?
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_00: Was the turn of the last century, was was that a a high water mark for civilization, seeing how that everything past that since the trigger, since 2001, has been a constant energy harvest and fear and uncertainty and everything that we've built before.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: It's like if you're going to harvest something, you have to plant the seed, you have to cultivate it first.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_00: It's like we were cultivated, and then now they're just harvesting.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_01: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I think um you know if you if you look back, you know, through history, you look back before 2001, you hit the Second World War, the Great Depression, the First World War, and and and on and on it goes.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_01: But so I I think it it's it's always been happening.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_01: But what it's being what's happening now is it's being harnessed in in a way that in no Newman history hasn't happened before.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's a real um, yeah, it's a real loosh harvest that's going on now.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_01: And it's leading somewhere, you see.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's leading somewhere, uh, because you cannot divorce um what is happening in Iran and what has happened in Gaza and what has happened in these wars, etc.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_01: You cannot um divorce that from the AI agenda, right?
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: Because if we if we go um more deeply into the nature of uh who we are and how we interact with um the so-called matrix, um we, the I, the real I, the uh eternal I, is a state of consciousness, it's a state of awareness, it's a state of being aware.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_01: It it doesn't have in its uh base form, it doesn't have uh form, doesn't have a body, it's just awareness.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: That's who we are ultimately.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um but what has happened in this matrix is that aspects of awareness have become entrapped in this fake reality, and they've become um entrapped in terms of their perception.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: So if you say to someone, um, who are you?
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_01: Nice to meet you, who are you?
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: They won't say I'm an expression of all that is, has been, and ever can be, having a brief human experience.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: They'll say they'll tell you their name, their location, their place of birth, whatever.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_01: They will self-identify with the labels of a human life.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_01: Now, I'm a man, I'm a woman, I'm I'm this religion, that religion, this race, that race, when in fact that's an experience.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's they are experiences that our consciousness is having.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: What this whole trickery is about is to get us to believe that what we're experiencing is who we are.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_01: So you're basically given um two uh ways of seeing in the the mainstream, two ways of seeing the eye.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_01: Either we're a cosmic accident, uh who who who started off in some kind of uh primordial soup, and suddenly there was a big bang and and and and everything was created, including Ethel on the checkout and Bill on the bus and all that stuff.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and yeah, it makes sense.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_01: Uh or the other alternative, which they're quite happy with, is that there is this God, which I say is the fake God, I say the the real uh infinite awareness, consciousness is beyond this matrix, um and and people have been manipulated to um confuse the two.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_01: This this this um this God um first of all wants you to bow down to him uh and wants you to worship him.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_01: Now any state of balance does not want that.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_01: A state of imbalance that wants to be worshipped and what have you, and worship is all part of this energy trawling as well, then um that's what that's what wants to be worshipped.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_01: And and the other the dynamic between humans and and this God, which I say is a fake God, uh and I'm I'm not just talking about Christianity, I'm talking about uh uh uh Islam, I'm talking about Hinduism, I'm talking about all of them.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_01: The dynamic is God up there, always watching you, uh, you must do what God wants, otherwise you're gonna be stoking the fires of hell for the rest of all eternity.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_01: And if you were, I just ask people, I'm not, you know, believe what you like.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not I'm you know, it's none of my business, as long as you don't impose it on anyone else.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_01: But if you were a control, a control freak consciousness, what would you want your target population to, how would you want them to perceive you for what you are?
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_01: You would you would be uh want them to be God fearing.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_01: When I was a little kid and I first heard that, I'm a God-fearing Christian, I thought, what what are you frightened of this God for?
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I can't understand.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but it's all again, fear.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_01: Fear.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_01: And uh so there this there's this um this this fake um choice between cosmic accident and just subordinate to some judgmental god.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, the the the God of the Old Testament seems very different to me to much of the God of the New Testament.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_01: So, excuse me.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: Oh well no, we put them in the same book, right?
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_01: And and the both books are the word of God, and therefore you've got to con you've got to uh explain these contradictions uh away to yourself.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and and in doing so, you disappear up your own backside trying to do it because it's not possible to do it, because it's obviously uh that you know that you're not talking about the same version of God.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, so you are um in a situation where um what they want to keep from us, this is cr the crucial bit, is the fact that we are awareness, a state of being aware.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_01: Now, um how they keep that from us and how we interact with the matrix is the same thing, actually, and you're looking at it.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I've been calling the human body since uh the 1990s a biological computer, because that's what it is, it's a software program, um, and it's an extraordinarily advanced software program, because you know we we we are told to perceive that the biological is natural and the technological is human-made, okay.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_01: But how do we know that?
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_01: How do we know the biological is natural?
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_01: The only way we can know is if we have something that is unquestionably natural to compare it with.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_01: We don't have that.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_01: We have the biological, it's natural.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_01: Well no, well, actually show me something that's absolutely unquestionably natural and compare it, and then then then you might be on be on on to something.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_01: But you don't, you don't have that.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, when I've been researching this um cult and its players over these last 36 years, they don't perceive the biological to be natural, they perceive it to be a form of very advanced technology.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: So if you look at the body, what I'm saying is the body is the the equivalent of a headset in a virtual reality game.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_01: Because if you um watch these compilations on the internet, these video compilations, someone is in a in a room like this, in what what they perceive to be normal reality, they put a headset on and immediately they're somewhere else.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_01: Their whole perception of reality has been completely hijacked by this headset.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_01: And if you then add the gloves and the audio in the more sophisticated ones, it completely takes them over.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_01: I I've been uh on a speaking tour recently, and uh I used a clip uh which included this this woman who's put a headset on and she's screaming, and someone next to her, a dad or somebody, holds her arm and says, No, no, it's okay, you're you're in a room, you're in a room, it's a you know, it's a game.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, she's completely gone.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_01: Now, imagine, ladies and gentlemen, that when consciousness enters the body uh in in in the womb, say, the body is forming, um, and then the the body uh is born and then grows through what we call life to um to the cemetery, you can't take your headset off short of dying, right?
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_01: And this is why when you look at these near-death experience accounts, and I've read and and watched hundreds and hundreds of them, uh they talk about when they when when the the body dies, what does the body do when it dies?
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_01: It ceases to decode the matrix, as I'll come to in a sec.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_01: And and it releases consciousness into what is described by these near-death experiences as a completely different reality with a completely different law of physics, exactly uh, exactly right.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so all the way through our lives, um, we are experiencing this reality through a body computer that is decoding uh the matrix into the reality that we think we're experiencing.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_01: So what I've found um is that this technological explosion um of computerization, first of all, which didn't exist when I was growing up, and and AI and the digital stuff, is mirroring, mimicking technologically the very way that we interact with the matrix and the the way that we experience reality.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_01: So if I said to people, in this room is a field of radiation and it's encoded with a complete global reality.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_01: And if you get a piece of kit called a computer and you log into it, um the computer will decode part of that Wi-Fi field into a completely different form on the screen that you're experiencing.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_01: If I said that to people who knew nothing about computers, they'd say, You're mad, mate.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_01: You're mad.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_01: You know, where is it?
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_01: I can't see it.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_01: What's this field?
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_01: But if you said the same thing now to people, they'd go, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, everyone knows that, mate, yeah, Wi-Fi, computers, yeah, everyone knows that, yeah.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_01: The only difference between you're mad, mate, and everyone knows that is knowledge.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_01: That's all it is.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_01: So if you can if you can um censor and keep from people knowledge, you're going to fundamentally limit their sense of of reality, their sense of the possible.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_01: So um what I've just described, where the computer, the desktop, whatever, logs into the Wi-Fi field of the internet and puts it on the screen in a completely different form.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_01: That's exactly, exactly the way that we are creating the decoded matrix that we think we're experiencing.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_01: So the matrix is information.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's information encoded in frequency and it's an interactive.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_01: So it's affecting us massively, affecting our sense of reality.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: But as as as you awaken um out of this body computer reality into greater consciousness, the true I, you start to put a different perception of reality into the matrix field, and it becomes available to anyone else who will um who can tap into that that that frequency that you're putting out.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and and so it's interactive.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_01: And uh what this consciousness, this this and this cult that serves it wants is to keep us only in what I call body consciousness and out of expanded awareness into the the true I, consciousness.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_01: So how does this work, this um this biological computer?
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_01: First of all, if I said to people um that it's a biological computer and it's a software program, okay, they'd say, you know, a lot of people anyway would say, You're crazy, mate, you're mad.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_01: And I'd say, okay, when's the last time you remember breathing?
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_01: When's the last time you thought about breathing?
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_01: The only time you thought about breathing is when you were out of breath.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and you don't stop and say, Hold on a minute, just quiet a minute, I've just got to focus, because I've just eaten something.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_01: I've just got to just gotta focus so I can digest it.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_01: No, no.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_01: The body is performing functions of endless varieties, second by second, without the conscious mind of humans being in any way aware of it.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_01: You go into a room, you you know, uh maybe a cold room, it will compensate.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_01: You go into a hot room, it will compensate.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_01: All these things are happening in in fantastic detail, second by second.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_01: Who's doing that?
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the the program is doing that.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's what it's designed to do.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_01: And then, this is the big point.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_01: Is it so much of a stretch, therefore, to think that there's also a psychological program running through the body computer?
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_01: And and you can prove there is, because um, again, this is um right up my street, uh, there is an area of the brain, which is this this part here, which is where the probe went in in the matrix movies, that is called the reptilian brain or the R complex.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_01: And from that reptilian brain uh is generated the survival um the survival uh response.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_01: So fight or flight is coming from the reptilian brain.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_01: Uh you're you're looking at uh the reptilian brain is constantly scanning the environment looking for threats to survival, not just physical survival, but uh survival of a relationship, survival of uh uh uh a job, survival of paying the rent at the end of the month.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_01: It constantly um in that survival mode.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_01: Road rage is the reptilian brain.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um and so uh there are psychological programs running through the body.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_01: And and this this is this kind of intrigued me because before I start getting banned from loads of countries, um, I I traveled the world a lot.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I've been to almost but well, it must be 60 odd countries uh in the last 36 years or so.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_01: And what you you realize in the different cultures and the different um, you know, religions, different uh environments, is that humans basically react the same.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_01: They they that you know they they they may uh have different, you know, beliefs or whatever, but their reactions are invariably the same.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_01: This is the computer at work.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_01: And so what they want is for this what I call body program to uh dominate and dictate our.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: Perceptions of reality and our reactions which produce louche, like fight or flight, and all this.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_01: And so what they've had to do up to this point is have this cult um control information so that you know the this this very uh narrow band of what's perceived as normal, dominated by orthodox science, etc., um keeps you in body program perceptual mode.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_01: If you go outside the body program, you are either uh uh tam uh uh uh um uh you know kind of um going into the occult, or you're um in in in terms of the the the orthodox science religion, you are dabbling in the paranormal, or you're a pseudo-scientist, or whatever.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_01: So there's a there's a real um effort within society to hold you in this very narrow band of what's perceived as normal.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_01: And uh what they've had to do is manipulate events uh and control information through censorship to keep you in the body program so you don't go beyond it and and tap into to to consciousness.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_01: So what they're trying to do now, this is what this AI thing is all about, is to not have to do that anymore, but to so connect the human brain, body computer, to artificial intelligence that you would never even ask the question, who am I?
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_01: What is this place?
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_01: Who's running this world?
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_01: What to what end?
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_01: So uh you cease to think as, if you like, a human, uh, and you certainly cease to think as consciousness, and you think what AI tells you to think.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_01: That's the whole idea.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_01: And if you look at this guy, Ray Kurzweil at um uh this Google executive, who um is uh uh often praised by Bill Gates, that's how bad he is, he um he s is one of the Numo Uno people, um, Ray Kurzweil of um the AI future.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_01: And he said a few years ago now that by 2030 um humans the human brain would be connected via AI to the cloud, and um from the that that connection onwards, AI would do more and more of human thinking until human thinking is negligible.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_01: He means deleted, and from that moment uh we become um AI does our thinking for us, it does our emotional responses for us.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_01: That's the idea.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_01: And if you want Luche on tap, then if you control the thinking emotional state of humans, well, you know, there you go.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_01: Press the button, mate, will you?
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, I'm hungry.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, thank you.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_01: And and this is where I mean it sounds uh kind of crazy and far out, but but it's actually what's happening.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_01: And and so what you what you have um currently with Donald Trump, who I've been calling out as a uh a cult gopher since 2016 when he came on the uh uh the political scene, he's doing two things and he's put it being put in there to do two things.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_01: Because he's not very bright, uh that that I mean, you look at politicians worldwide, that that you know, the ones in p power are not very bright, but they're very, very malleable.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's like they used to say about Margaret Thatcher, people on the inside, she's dead easy to manipulate, the Iron Lady, because all you have to do is get her to think it's her idea, right?
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_01: And and then she'll go, Oh, that's the that that idea you had, Margaret, was uh outstanding.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, oh, do you think so?
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_01: What idea was that?
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the when you said that, yeah, okay.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_01: And and so when you've got a bombastic kind of narcissistic, um very, very insecure, childlike person like Donald Trump, y it's a doddle to manipulate.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_01: And he's been put in there for two reasons.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_01: One, to trash the old system and to facilitate the introduction and imposition of the new system based on AI, digital, and Silicon Valley oligarch bros.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_01: And he's doing both of them because um I was saying during the 2024 campaign, this is what he's this is what he's gonna is put in there to do.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_01: I got so much abuse for it for criticizing the saviour.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_01: But um two days after the inauguration, he's got Larry Ellison and Sam Altman in the Oval Office announcing this 500 up to$500 billion data center, AI data center um program, it's Stargate they called it.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and he's gone on facilitating, because that that's why in this big beautiful bill he was trying to say to states you you can't regulate AI for ten years, by which time it will all be in place.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's because he is facilitating this AI um uh dystopia, while at the same time he's destroying the system.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_01: Now, what's happening with that is that uh the the MAGA people that still exist who haven't seen the light yet, um they are saying that what he's doing is bringing down the globalists.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_01: He's bringing down he's bringing down the uh the uh the the manipulators of human society.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_01: No, he's not.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_01: He's trashing their old system.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_01: In the 1990s I coined this phrase problem reaction solution and another one, which I call the totalitarian tiptoe.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_01: And uh problem reaction solution is create the problem, blame someone else for it, get the reaction, do something, and then offer the solutions to the problems you've covertly created, which is advancing the agenda to more and more centralization of power and human control.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_01: But the totalitarian tiptoe comes into this, this, this what I'm talking about now.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_01: That that is you start at A and you're going to Z.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_01: And you know you're going to Z from here, from the start.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_01: But you know if you go too quickly and too fast, then people might look up from the game show and go, what's going on?
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_01: What's going on?
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_01: So you go as fast as you can, but not so fast that you um alert too many people, although of course it's getting quicker and quicker now.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um and and so how that plays out is a sequence of eras, a sequence of um different um eras of the way human society works.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_01: And the big theme of these eras is in each era you you um give more and more power to fewer and fewer people, right?
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_01: That that this is this is clearly what's happening.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_01: We started in um in tribes, and the tribes made decisions about what happened to the tribe, and we bring lots of tribes together in what we call nations.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_01: In Europe now, the nations are brought together under the European Union, you've got the BRICS uh um amalgamation of countries, etc.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and it's what what what that is is the constant centralization of power.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_01: And the more you concentrate power, the more power the few have over more and more and more and more of the world population.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_01: So if we pick it up in um before the First World War, uh you had um the world in a certain state.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_01: Then you start a war, and at the end of the war, the world is in a completely different state.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_01: And you had the Versailles so-called peace agreement, dominated by the House of Rothschild, by the way, um, and that rewrote the uh much of the world and rewrote borders, etc.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_01: You then go out of that pretty much via the 1920s into the uh Great Depression of the 1930s, that started doing for the previous economic system, and you're straight into World War II, and at the end of World War II, the world is completely frickin' different to how it was before the First World War.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_01: And at the end of the Second World War, you had the Bretton Woods Agreement, you had the creation of the IMF, the World Bank, uh, and all these centralized bodies, you had the World Health Organization in 1948, uh, and and these globally centralized bodies.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_01: The world is in a completely different state.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_01: Now, I was born in 1952, seven years after the Second World War.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_01: And pretty much from when I was born to very recently, in fact, you know, almost current times, that system, that post-war system has been in place.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_01: People call it the um the international law and and and uh you know the the world um uh order of um uh trying to stop stop wars and stop the world wars happening again and all that stuff.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_01: And you you've had an economic system which spans this period as well.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_01: But if you have a status quo and it ain't moving, you cannot bring in the next status quo.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_01: Because all these um sequences, they're all cult-generated sequences, they're just heading towards Zed.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_01: So Trump's been brought in to trash this system.
• 54:29
  SPEAKER_01: I keep, you know, hearing politicians and people say the the old world orders um uh being dismantled, as you know, and and and I mean I remember um Mark Carney, the Prime Minister of of Canada, um saying at a a World Economic Forum uh meeting in in was it February uh that um uh the world order has been ruptured, but we should encompass it.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I know Mark, who's who's kind of uh cult owned to his DNA, former head head of the Canadian Central Bank, the Bank of England and uh uh and absolutely up to his neck in the in the in the cult agenda, because Trump's there to trash that order.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_01: And at the same time, in America and the West facilitate the introduction of the AI control system and AI human fusion, which is the big, big goal that they've had um they've had all along.
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_01: And um what you have in China is the same system being introduced, and and in Russia and these other places.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um and and so what they've done, uh, because it's all about perceptual manipulation, they've turned it into a sporting event.
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_01: So Trump and the Trump regime are saying, we must beat China to the AI in the AI race.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_01: We must we must uh be the the the AI winner and stop China winning.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and and so it's yeah, we yeah, let's do that.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_01: We we we can't let China do it.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's uh so what's the common what's the common theme, Don, between you wanting to beat China and China wanting to beat you and Russia coming in and all these others, European Union, what's the common denominator?
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_01: AI dystopia comes in globally, right?
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, never thought of that.
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no, but that's exactly what's happening.
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_01: And uh so when you go to that level, this other dimensional level, and you come down to this the inner circle of this global cult, from that level of the manipulation, political parties all look the same, religions all look the same, all these apparent uh different media organizations all look the same because in the end they're all answerable to this level.
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_01: Most of them will not even know that, but they're all being uh manipulated from this this upper level, and therefore you um you have the perfect situation for control by the few of the many, and and this is the situation.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_01: Mathematically, it should be impossible.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_01: Eight billion people, so we're told, and the number of people in full knowledge who are manipulating and directing the direction of the eight billion is tiny by comparison.
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_01: Tiny.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_01: How do you do that?
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_01: How do you control that?
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_01: Well, first of all, you've got to get your target population broken up, and you break them up into different religion, ri rigid, unquestioning belief systems.
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_01: These are called left in politics, right in politics, even center in politics.
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_01: They're called Christianity or Islam or Hinduism or Judaism and all of it.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um and in the end, all these different belief systems, in terms of their organization and origin, are coming from this level of manipulation.
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_01: They think that they're not.
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_01: They think they're all individual.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_01: So you have a situation, therefore, where you've broken up your target population into rigid belief systems, and now you have the perfect situation for the essential element of the control of the few of the many, and that's divide and rule.
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_01: Because you've got endless different belief systems and organizations promoting the belief systems to play off against each other in in divide and rule.
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_01: So currently we have Judaism and Christianity uh attacking uh Mus uh um Islam in uh Iran and is Iran uh responding back, and but you see it everywhere, and you see another thing where not only do they create religions, they then break them up.
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_01: So in Islam, you've got Sunni against Shia.
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_01: In in um in Christianity, you've got Roman Catholicism against Protestantism and and uh endless others, uh, and and so you you make them fight among each other as well.
• 59:51
  SPEAKER_01: So you um you have this uh situation where you've broken all these people up into rigid belief systems and then you play them off against each other.
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_01: But there's another aspect to this.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, my father used to talk about bricks and mortar religion, uh religions that work through synagogues and mosques and churches and temples and stuff.
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_01: But religion is not just bricks and mortar, it's a mentality.
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_01: It's a mentality um that says, um, I believe this rigidly and unquestioningly, and anyone that doesn't believe it must therefore be wrong, and I'm not going beyond the walls of the story that I've been told to believe in, and I have chosen to believe in, or think I've been I think I've chosen to believe in.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_01: And in that way, orthodox science and religion are the same mentality, and yet orthodox science dismisses religion.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's it's it's it's uh uh talk about um you know playing with the mind.
• 1:01:14
  SPEAKER_01: So why is that?
• 1:01:16
  SPEAKER_01: Why is Orthodox science the same as religion in the way it plays out and the way it operates?
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_01: For this reason.
• 1:01:25
  SPEAKER_01: We are um sitting in an infinite multidimensional field of awareness, creation, knowledge, insight.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_01: If we open our minds from the myopia we're told to believe in, the norms, we start to tap in to that expanded awareness.
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_01: Not just Buddha sitting sitting under a tree, anyone can do it.
• 1:02:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's it's not a it's our natural state, it's not about um uh almost learning anything new, it's about removing all the layers like onion skins of programming so that we can tap into who we are uh we were all along.
• 1:02:23
  SPEAKER_01: So as you um expand your awareness, you're going deeper and deeper and deeper into this field until you reach the point where, in terms of frequency, you are leaving the matrix.
• 1:02:39
  SPEAKER_01: So the matrix is no longer feeding your reality or is no longer the only source of reality.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_01: Now you're tapping into something that's giving you the panorama.
• 1:02:52
  SPEAKER_01: Suddenly you can see how the dots connect where you couldn't before, because you were looking at the dot, now you're looking at um the panorama, and that's the worst nightmare of this cult and its other dimensional um masters that humans will what am I describing, wake up to what's going on.
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_01: So you need ways not just to to get people to have rigid belief systems, but to stop them going beyond them, and so getting people into rigid belief systems is exactly what you you need to do because it serves both points.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_01: So if you are like believing in a religion, there is a limit to where you will go, because if you do, you're no longer whatever you call yourself, and your parents and your fellow uh people that believe in the religion, maybe you've you've almost certainly been brought up among those people, they will start criticizing you and what have you.
• 1:04:01
  SPEAKER_01: And what they're what a religion will say when you start to explore possibility beyond the walls of the religion, they'll say, you are dealing in the occult.
• 1:04:15
  SPEAKER_01: You you you you you are you are you are an occultist going there.
• 1:04:20
  SPEAKER_01: Now, what does occult mean?
• 1:04:22
  SPEAKER_01: Literally mean, it means hidden.
• 1:04:25
  SPEAKER_01: So it's hidden knowledge.
• 1:04:27
  SPEAKER_01: Now, hidden knowledge about reality, about self can be used horrifically to control you, or the same knowledge can be used to set us free.
• 1:04:43
  SPEAKER_01: The the second bit they don't mention, it's the occult, it's the devil, and then you've got the the version of that of orthodox science, which says um this is how things are, we've experimented, um and we're not going beyond our experiments, because we might find something we don't want to find, like we've been wrong all along.
• 1:05:13
  SPEAKER_01: So this is how it is.
• 1:05:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's settled.
• 1:05:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:05:17
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, the the great line, the science is settled.
• 1:05:21
  SPEAKER_01: Lovely.
• 1:05:22
  SPEAKER_01: So when you um when you go beyond that, and and and you know, many scientists have really courageous people like Rupert Sheldrake and and and many others who've gone beyond it, and have said, actually, maybe there's more to know.
• 1:05:38
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe there's more to know.
• 1:05:40
  SPEAKER_01: They they are ostracized from scientific orthodoxy and by scientific orthodoxy.
• 1:05:46
  SPEAKER_01: And what they'll say, orthodoxy, is you're a pseudo scientist, you're not credible.
• 1:05:53
  SPEAKER_01: Or um you're dealing in the paranormal.
• 1:05:57
  SPEAKER_01: And is I I was fascinated with the way they put Para in front of normal.
• 1:06:02
  SPEAKER_01: And what uh uh if I if I could think of a a definition of paranormal, it would be everything science can't explain, right?
• 1:06:13
  SPEAKER_01: So so scientists here, it can't be happening because I can't explain it.
• 1:06:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, but but but you're in a tiny box, mate.
• 1:06:23
  SPEAKER_01: That's why you can't explain it.
• 1:06:24
  SPEAKER_01: Open your freaking mind and my oh well yeah, I can see how it can work now.
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_01: So what I'm saying is both the religious the religious mentality in its bricks and mortar expression and in its um its orthodox science expression, they're both there to limit exploration into the more expansive way of looking at the world where you can access insight, knowledge, awareness that is not available here.
• 1:06:57
  SPEAKER_01: And uh that's uh that little lot has led to um how we got here and how um eight billion people can be controlled by a handful who do know what exists here and are using that knowledge to keep us here.
• 1:07:19
  SPEAKER_00: Let's go back to something you said earlier.
• 1:07:21
  SPEAKER_00: It reminded me of the the quote from the philosopher Nietzsche says, I I can't believe in a God who wants to be worshipped all the time.
• 1:07:28
  SPEAKER_00: It's kind of funny.
• 1:07:30
  SPEAKER_00: And I I I'm a follower of Jesus in the in the sense of the New Testament.
• 1:07:35
  SPEAKER_00: But I wanted to ask you ahead of my notes, and it's it's it's in this same vein because I believe what you're alluding to is that as human beings with our mind and our subconscious, uh, whether you call that divine or or spiritual, we have the ability to manifest a reality and that they don't they box you in with these beliefs like you you're saying about religion.
• 1:07:58
  SPEAKER_00: And I was thinking about evangelical Christianity.
• 1:08:02
  SPEAKER_00: You wrote about in the trigger, you talked about how the House of Saad and the modern Israeli government, these are extensions of the Sabbatean Frankist cult, like this inversion.
• 1:08:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I find that because I'm from North Texas, so this is a prime target for, you know, and home to the evangelical Christians with a Christian Zionists.
• 1:08:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I believe that we're creating this reality of being inhuman to other human beings, so creating these wars, uh bringing down old systems and things that were put in place by previous generations for peace dividends, whatever you want to call it.
• 1:08:38
  SPEAKER_00: We're destroying all that.
• 1:08:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's a cre it's a destructive process that's going on.
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_00: And so I wanted to ask you if you do you feel that's something I s I felt gut level is that uh the Sabbath and Francus type mentality or extensions of that is now showing up in modern Christianity.
• 1:08:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, they are.
• 1:08:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um But what you mentioned there is interesting because um I've written at length about this, um, not least in the my new book, The Roadmap.
• 1:09:12
  SPEAKER_01: What they're trying to keep from us more than anything else, and they know it, and they use it, is that our perceptions become our experienced reality.
• 1:09:28
  SPEAKER_01: If they can get us to believe in a perception of reality, they know that through that perception we will create a expression, an experience of that reality.
• 1:09:45
  SPEAKER_01: I have this this phrase, um, what you believe you perceive and what you perceive you experience.
• 1:09:52
  SPEAKER_01: And what I'm finding f fascinating now is that uh things like quantum physics are um starting to see that this is how it works, um, in the sense of they they talk about the observer.
• 1:10:11
  SPEAKER_01: The observer creates reality.
• 1:10:13
  SPEAKER_01: So you have a a waveform field, and when it's observed, it appears to become a particle.
• 1:10:22
  SPEAKER_01: But it's it's it's it's it's at the same time it's a particle, it's also a wave field.
• 1:10:27
  SPEAKER_01: What's going on?
• 1:10:28
  SPEAKER_01: And to break it all down in the simplest terms, uh I mentioned earlier that every time we think uh we are generating a frequency, every time we feel emotion, we're generating a frequency.
• 1:10:45
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the sum total of our perceptions, the way we see the world, consciously and subconsciously, uh manifests as a field of information.
• 1:10:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's a it's a frequency field that encompasses our perception of reality.
• 1:11:00
  SPEAKER_01: Now, for me, um and I think uh even even more open-minded scientists miss this bit.
• 1:11:11
  SPEAKER_01: There uh there are two fields.
• 1:11:14
  SPEAKER_01: There's the matrix field, and then there's the infinite field beyond it.
• 1:11:20
  SPEAKER_01: If they can um control your perception so that your perceptions are resonating within the frequency band of the matrix field, then you're in the world, you're in the matrix, and you are of the matrix because your information is coming from the matrix.
• 1:11:38
  SPEAKER_01: They gotcha.
• 1:11:40
  SPEAKER_01: But if you um expand your awareness beyond the matrix field, you tap into the infinite field.
• 1:11:50
  SPEAKER_01: And for me, this infinite field is literally all possibility, all potential waiting to manifest.
• 1:11:58
  SPEAKER_01: And it's manifested by perception.
• 1:12:02
  SPEAKER_01: That field dictates what infinite possibility it pulls into an experience.
• 1:12:11
  SPEAKER_01: And and so this cult knows, and this other dimensional force absolutely knows, that if you can control perception, particularly collective perception, where the sum of the parts uh is um or the the totality is greater than the sum of the parts, um, then you are um able to create an entire reality that reflects what you've got the target population to believe is reality, what you believe you perceive, what you perceive you experience.
• 1:12:53
  SPEAKER_01: And this is this is the key.
• 1:12:55
  SPEAKER_01: And if we if we can take back our perceptions, then we start creating another reality.
• 1:13:01
  SPEAKER_01: Example.
• 1:13:03
  SPEAKER_01: If you believe, because the matrix is telling you it all the time, so you stay within its field, that um you are little me and you have no power, then you'll live a little me life uh with no power, and you'll perceive that authority is more powerful than you, and you never go against authority, because you know, yeah, they know what they're talking about, and even if they don't know what they're talking about, you know, what are the consequences for going against authority?
• 1:13:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um and and you but you believe um what scientists tell you, orthodox scientists tell you, or you believe what religious people will tell you.
• 1:13:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, because well they must know more than I am, because I'm just little me, I am.
• 1:13:46
  SPEAKER_01: That's another version of oh, yeah, I'm just little me, and there's God up there, and he's big me, and it's uh and and and and so your perception of reality becomes your experience reality.
• 1:13:58
  SPEAKER_01: And then you've got other people who are who are who are more expanded in their awareness who realize that they're creating their their reality by their perceptions, and they manipulate that to create the reality they want.
• 1:14:14
  SPEAKER_01: These people are doing that.
• 1:14:16
  SPEAKER_01: These people in the cult what why why why are the the cultists uh uh uh always so frickin' rich and uh and and and apparently powerful, powerful in their point in the hierarchy?
• 1:14:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's because they are they are this is part of what the inner uh level of the cult um is um is uh educating them on from a young age that you your perception of self interacts with the energetic field of the matrix or beyond, not that they will go beyond, and you can create a reality in which you are rich and powerful.
• 1:15:00
  SPEAKER_01: Uh whereas you want the population to believe the opposite, that they're not rich and powerful.
• 1:15:07
  SPEAKER_01: And even even the population, you you want to worship the rich and powerful, uh even even more of a uh uh little me, big me dynamic.
• 1:15:18
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and and this is what they don't want you to to to believe.
• 1:15:22
  SPEAKER_01: So the foundation, the entire foundation of the conspiracy is the control of human perception.
• 1:15:31
  SPEAKER_01: So that um, you know, I mean, you know what they say, you can't you'll never change human nature, mate.
• 1:15:39
  SPEAKER_01: Well, what is the nature of humans?
• 1:15:41
  SPEAKER_01: What why it why is do we have a nature of humans?
• 1:15:44
  SPEAKER_01: I say it's because of the the the the the body programs a software.
• 1:15:48
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's why.
• 1:15:50
  SPEAKER_01: And and and you'll never change human nature.
• 1:15:53
  SPEAKER_01: Well, how about we're not human?
• 1:15:56
  SPEAKER_01: How about none of us is is actually human?
• 1:16:00
  SPEAKER_01: We are having a human experience, what we are is consciousness.
• 1:16:03
  SPEAKER_01: That's what they don't want us to grasp.
• 1:16:06
  SPEAKER_01: Because once you do that, because you know, when I when I started out in 1990 consciously on this uh this this this journey of trying to work it out what's going on, um the the only people in those very early years that would even give me a give me a hearing, and even then um uh at the end of the night in the smallest room in a in a conference or something, was what's what was called the New Age.
• 1:16:40
  SPEAKER_01: And um I I used to go to some of these New Age conferences in the early 90s and stuff, and I and I'd and I'd look around and I I'd I'd sit and I'd listen and these kind of spiritual teachers or gurus were were talking, and I used to think, well, they make it sound ever so sod and complicated, right?
• 1:17:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um and I don't think it is.
• 1:17:03
  SPEAKER_01: And the more that I've um gone my own way, um, the more simple it has become.
• 1:17:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's not complicated.
• 1:17:16
  SPEAKER_01: What uh what I see uh again, not just in the whole so-called spiritual arena, but in the society in general, not least orthodox science, is that um if it's not complicated, it can't be true.
• 1:17:34
  SPEAKER_01: Now, my my view is that genius is not to understand the complex, it's to see the simple hidden by the complex.
• 1:17:47
  SPEAKER_01: So you you you look at these um scientists and they've got all these equations on a massive frickin' blackboard, and and most people look at that and go can't be doing with it, mate.
• 1:17:59
  SPEAKER_01: Don't understand it, I'll leave them to it.
• 1:18:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but don't leave them to it.
• 1:18:03
  SPEAKER_01: Just realize that that is a complexity that is not necessary, it's much simpler, and so when people say, So how do I wake up?
• 1:18:17
  SPEAKER_01: For me, um, it's as simple as the transformation of your self-identity.
• 1:18:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, because perception becomes reality, your um self-identity as a human, your self-identity as Ethel on the checkout or Bill on the bus, um means that you are your attention, your perception is held in in in in actually a tiny field of possibility.
• 1:18:52
  SPEAKER_01: And so you're interacting with all possibility within that tiny uh area of interaction.
• 1:19:01
  SPEAKER_01: So, what are you going to create from that interaction?
• 1:19:04
  SPEAKER_01: You're going to create a um an expression of your perceptions.
• 1:19:11
  SPEAKER_01: You're going to have a little me life, and and oh, I've got no power, and you know, I'm just trying to get to the end of the month and all that stuff.
• 1:19:19
  SPEAKER_01: And you're going to stay within the matrix field because you're operating within its frequency uh uh walls.
• 1:19:27
  SPEAKER_01: All it takes is a transformation of self-identity from I am human and little me to I am consciousness, ultimately an expression of all consciousness, having a brief experience called human.
• 1:19:47
  SPEAKER_01: And what happens then is that expansion of self-identity expands your awareness deeper and deeper and deeper into the field until you go beyond the the limits of the matrix and you start tapping into the infinite realm uh beyond it.
• 1:20:04
  SPEAKER_01: At which point you you look you look around and the world looks completely different because you're now tapping in to that which can uh give you the panorama of what's happening rather than the myopia.
• 1:20:19
  SPEAKER_01: And all it takes is a um uh a redefinition of your self-identity.
• 1:20:29
  SPEAKER_01: Who am I?
• 1:20:30
  SPEAKER_01: And that's why, going back to what I th I said earlier, they either want you to believe in I'm a cosmic accident who came out the primordial soup, or I'm subject to the um diktats of a judgmental god, because both of those perceptions will keep you in the matrix in terms of your frequency, your perceptual frequency.
• 1:20:54
  SPEAKER_01: Once you say you you start to um expand your awareness um into the infinite realm, the world completely changes because your level of awareness uh changes.
• 1:21:09
  SPEAKER_01: Now, what is religions constantly telling you?
• 1:21:13
  SPEAKER_01: You can't say you're an expression of God, that's blasphemy.
• 1:21:18
  SPEAKER_01: You can't do that.
• 1:21:19
  SPEAKER_01: You can't say that.
• 1:21:21
  SPEAKER_01: Why do you not want me to uh uh identify myself as an expression of the of the infinite?
• 1:21:28
  SPEAKER_01: Why why?
• 1:21:30
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the why is that you've just been programmed to believe that's the case, and you're now telling me I must believe the program as well.
• 1:21:39
  SPEAKER_01: But ultimately, that which has created the religion structure, and they're all the bloody same, really, um, is trying to stop you um realizing, remembering we are an expression of this infinite awareness, this infinite whole.
• 1:22:00
  SPEAKER_01: And ultimately, if we go on expanding, expanding, expanding, we become the infinite whole ultimately.
• 1:22:08
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, but you can't say that because it's blasphemy.
• 1:22:12
  SPEAKER_01: And you can't say that to a orthodox scientist because it's pseudoscience, right?
• 1:22:18
  SPEAKER_01: So you see how the the same uh way that um that the manipulation of perception works, uh they may call it have a different name on the door, but it's the same manipulation.
• 1:22:31
  SPEAKER_01: Keep you separated.
• 1:22:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, separated.
• 1:22:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's the word.
• 1:22:36
  SPEAKER_01: That is the word.
• 1:22:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um the you you you must think that you are uh separate from everything else when we are an expression of everything else.
• 1:22:46
  SPEAKER_01: Now, what are the five senses doing?
• 1:22:49
  SPEAKER_01: The five senses are how we this this we're worth mentioning this in terms of uh maybe uh maybe I have a but but uh mentioning this in terms of how we interact with the matrix.
• 1:23:00
  SPEAKER_01: We interact through the five senses.
• 1:23:03
  SPEAKER_01: We interact with the field through the five senses.
• 1:23:06
  SPEAKER_01: And this is mainstream science now.
• 1:23:09
  SPEAKER_01: The five senses work by tapping into frequency information.
• 1:23:15
  SPEAKER_01: That's the Wi-Fi field of the matrix, frequency information.
• 1:23:20
  SPEAKER_01: The the senses turn that into electrical information and communicate it to the brain, and there's different parts of the brain that um decode the different senses.
• 1:23:30
  SPEAKER_01: The visual uh decoding is done around the back here, and then the brain puts together a perception of reality from that input, that input.
• 1:23:43
  SPEAKER_01: So um what the brain puts together as a result of the information coming through the five senses from the matrix field is one in which everything is separated from everything else.
• 1:23:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's delivering a I am I am separated from you, but I'm not, not in terms of consciousness.
• 1:24:09
  SPEAKER_01: In fact, do you see that Princeton um study actually came out in August 2025, but it's been circulating on the internet in the last couple of weeks or so, where they found that there are ultra low frequencies, ultra low frequencies, louche, ultra low frequencies that are connecting every human brain.
• 1:24:30
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the collective unconscious.
• 1:24:32
  SPEAKER_01: Collective unconscious, exactly.
• 1:24:34
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Hundredth Monkey syndrome.
• 1:24:36
  SPEAKER_01: All this is explained by all this stuff.
• 1:24:38
  SPEAKER_01: So um what you uh what what what you what what you what you have is um and the ears are a wonderful example.
• 1:24:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um we pick up frequency information, like um sound waves, because uh I uh uh we're talking here, but there's no words passing between us.
• 1:24:59
  SPEAKER_01: What's passing between us is a vibrational field generated by my vocal cords.
• 1:25:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's picked up by the ears as frequency, it's turned into electrical information and communicated to the brain, and the brain then decodes it into what we call words, language.
• 1:25:16
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and the the more languages you learn, then your brain can um decode it into into uh it decodes different languages.
• 1:25:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um and so all the senses work like that.
• 1:25:32
  SPEAKER_01: And and and this is the this is the kicker, really, um which people find what what's happening is uh this information from frequency to electrical is decoded by the brain into a holographic reality that we experience as physical, but actually is not physical.
• 1:25:58
  SPEAKER_01: Quantum physics has clearly shown that.
• 1:26:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um you only gotta look on the inside of an atom to see that as well.
• 1:26:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's empty space as we call it, it's not physical or solid at all.
• 1:26:10
  SPEAKER_01: So what that means is that this world that we experience as external to us is all in here.
• 1:26:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's all in here.
• 1:26:24
  SPEAKER_01: And and is that fantastic when you look at a desktop computer, where does it decode the internet?
• 1:26:32
  SPEAKER_01: It decodes it inside the computer.
• 1:26:35
  SPEAKER_01: We only see a visual representation of it on the screen, but even the screen isn't is is uh the and what's on the screen is inside the computer.
• 1:26:43
  SPEAKER_01: And and it's exactly the same principle.
• 1:26:46
  SPEAKER_01: Because that what they're doing, like I said earlier, they're mimicking uh reality technologically, uh and calling it like, you know, we've just discovered this.
• 1:26:56
  SPEAKER_01: Well, no, no, no, no.
• 1:26:58
  SPEAKER_01: At the cult level, you bloody well knew all along, you know.
• 1:27:02
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and and this is why when um people like um Elon Musk's speculate um long after I did, by the way, that um that that this could be a matrix, it could be a matrix, it could be a simulation.
• 1:27:16
  SPEAKER_01: He frickin' knows it is.
• 1:27:18
  SPEAKER_01: He knows it is.
• 1:27:19
  SPEAKER_01: It is it is kind of I know he's a gopher, but at his level of uh on the inside, he will know it's a matrix.
• 1:27:27
  SPEAKER_01: All these people do.
• 1:27:30
  SPEAKER_00: Uh your experience uh that you had, was it Peru that you Peru, yeah.
• 1:27:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well that you had the Kundalini experience, and um that's been decades of changing your perception and honing that.
• 1:27:43
  SPEAKER_00: And now we are in 2026.
• 1:27:46
  SPEAKER_00: I I noticed over the last couple of years you started referring to the mainstream media as ma'am or my main the mainstream alternative media, so much of it has been captured, and I agree with you.
• 1:27:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um So this is pretty much the final question, and I have a couple of bonus ending questions.
• 1:28:04
  SPEAKER_00: But if you were looking at the landscape of alternative media, what it's become, where it's going.
• 1:28:10
  SPEAKER_00: Now you're one of the last of this you write, you know, this amazing volume of work.
• 1:28:15
  SPEAKER_00: You've got it's decades worth of work.
• 1:28:17
  SPEAKER_00: You know, there used to be people like Jim Mars that were around.
• 1:28:20
  SPEAKER_00: My friend Donald Jefferson.
• 1:28:21
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I met Jim.
• 1:28:22
  SPEAKER_01: Great lad.
• 1:28:22
  SPEAKER_01: Great fella.
• 1:28:23
  SPEAKER_00: I I didn't have the pleasure, but I've read so many of his books.
• 1:28:26
  SPEAKER_00: My friend Donald Jeffreys, who wrote Hidden History, is a fan of yours.
• 1:28:30
  SPEAKER_00: And uh but those those days are passing away.
• 1:28:33
  SPEAKER_00: There's fewer and fewer people that are like the general knowledge and really studying and doing the references.
• 1:28:39
  SPEAKER_00: There's so much clickbait and the political capture of that.
• 1:28:44
  SPEAKER_00: So if you were starting out today, if you were 25, how would you go about, let's say, in in alternative media or in life in general, what would you do things um obviously it's a different world.
• 1:28:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's going to require different tools.
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  SPEAKER_00: What would you do different?
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  SPEAKER_01: Um I don't think I'd do anything different because um I've always worked on the principle, I think I said this a little uh earlier in the chat, um, that's attributed to a quote by Socrates, the ancient Greek philosopher, uh, who said, To know is to know you know nothing.
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  SPEAKER_01: That is the meaning of true knowledge.
• 1:29:20
  SPEAKER_01: Uh wisdom is knowing how little we know, in other words.
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  SPEAKER_01: So um at any point that you think you've got it, at best you've got that level of it.
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  SPEAKER_01: But you ain't got it.
• 1:29:32
  SPEAKER_01: None of us have got it because we're we're we're in constantly in a in the process of trying to get get it and get more.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um and so uh never stop and think I got it now.
• 1:29:46
  SPEAKER_01: That that's the death knell.
• 1:29:49
  SPEAKER_01: And uh you talk about the this this ma'am, this alternative uh mainstream alternative media, as I call it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh I I noticed uh after COVID, immediately after COVID, that people were coming into the alternative media out of the mainstream and were algorithmically supported, shall we say, to take it over and become the focal focal points.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I looked at s these people, a lot of these people, most of these people.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um you you I looked at Tucker Carlson.
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  SPEAKER_01: I used to watch um on on Fox because he was um he was he was further ahead than than uh Fox other Fox um presenters.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um and first of all, he's uh uh uh has a a a rigid uh religious belief, which is which is means he's there some uh at some level he's there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh uh but um also he was a Trump supporter.
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  SPEAKER_01: He still is, he says, on the quiet, um apart from the Iran war.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um right up to the um 2024 election.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um he was doing massive public events with people like Alex Jones and Donald Trump Jr.
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  SPEAKER_01: and uh Russell Brand right up to the election to push Trump.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um and then I I look at Cande Sowens, who started off as a progressive, as they call them, who was lambasting Trump and taking ridiculing Trump in 2015, 2016, tried to start a doxing website, um got a lot of pushback from the progressive arena that sh where she was in, and in her words became a conservative overnight, and started from that moment pushing Trump.
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  SPEAKER_01: She suddenly uh jumped from progressive to Trump supporter, and suddenly she's she's being uh put on Fox News um to give her views on uh conservatism and Trump, uh and um she's on Tucker Colson Show and all these people.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh and she went on promoting Trump.
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  SPEAKER_01: Then in 2018, um she w attended the ceremony under Trump to move the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem and posted something on the internet lambasting uh the fact that there was no Democrat elected Democrat there, we will not forget, um marries into a Zionist family, uh where the the father-in-law is uh Michael Um Farmer, who is the vice chairman of a um uh a real Christian Zionist Christianity Zionist organization which has the King of England as its patron, and and and after um entering that family where she agreed to marry George Farmer, the son, after 17 days or so, uh over over Zoom after they first met, uh, she starts lambasting Israel.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's like what?
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  SPEAKER_01: And what Carlson and Owens have become is um a the go-to people on um on Israel.
• 1:34:07
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I I I watched a guy called Brett Weinstein, who's often on Tucker Carlson and often on Joe Rogan.
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  SPEAKER_01: Neither Carlson or Rogan will will talk to me at at any price.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um and I watched him during COVID when he did an interview uh in which he was describing how he he wore a red bandana around his neck um while the the COVID restrictions were on, so that if anyone knocked his door, he could quickly put up the mask before he answered the door.
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  SPEAKER_01: He described how when he went out he used to put particular glasses on and gloves.
• 1:34:55
  SPEAKER_01: I got a load job lot from Amazon, he said, right?
• 1:34:59
  SPEAKER_01: His gloves.
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  SPEAKER_01: He would go out um get food or whatever.
• 1:35:04
  SPEAKER_01: When he came back, it's all his clothes would immediately go into uh into the wash.
• 1:35:10
  SPEAKER_01: And he described how, you know, he was making it difficult for the virus because it it had to get in here, you know, around his glasses, into his eyes, like.
• 1:35:22
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm watching this, well, actually actually quite incredulous, watching it, which is fair enough.
• 1:35:28
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, people buy that.
• 1:35:29
  SPEAKER_01: That's that okay, they buy it, all right, they buy it.
• 1:35:33
  SPEAKER_01: But then he becomes the go-to guy on COVID after the uh after he started talking about the alternative media.
• 1:35:42
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, I and and I I I saw um I saw Carlson at one point uh certainly uh for for a while was buying the the COVID story.
• 1:35:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um I I and I I see that it's uh how the alternative media in terms of its algorithmic support is another thing in a second.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ian Carroll, a mate of uh Candace Owens, is another one that I I've I've seen, and um uh shall we say, I'm very uh suspicious of.
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  SPEAKER_01: But um they came in and uh yet they were the ones that got, in terms of Weinstein and others, the COVID thing wrong, they all massively got Trump wrong.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now they're going, we never thought we'd voted for this.
• 1:36:39
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you did.
• 1:36:39
  SPEAKER_01: I was telling you uh since 2016, you did vote for this.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they've taken it over.
• 1:36:49
  SPEAKER_01: And and they why have they taken it over?
• 1:36:52
  SPEAKER_01: Because all the attention is focused upon them and the algorithmic support is focused upon them.
• 1:36:59
  SPEAKER_01: On X, I've got 800 and more than 820,000 people follow my page.
• 1:37:04
  SPEAKER_01: The number of people that see my posts, unless they go to the page, is absolutely tiny.
• 1:37:10
  SPEAKER_01: Uh every now and again I'll I'll I'll see a post that's gone, you know, quote, viral.
• 1:37:18
  SPEAKER_01: And just out of interest, I'll go to um to their their page to see how many followers they got.
• 1:37:25
  SPEAKER_01: And it's a fraction of of the people that follow my page, but they get m really big numbers.
• 1:37:30
  SPEAKER_01: I get to I get by comparison very tiny numbers, even though I have 820 odd thousand people uh following the page.
• 1:37:38
  SPEAKER_01: Now, uh someone was pointing out this the other day, I saw in a video.
• 1:37:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um, how come these people I'm describing get phenomenal numbers, therefore algorithmically supported, for saying the same things that others say and get shadow banned or banned altogether for.
• 1:38:05
  SPEAKER_01: Long before.
• 1:38:06
  SPEAKER_01: What it it makes no sense.
• 1:38:10
  SPEAKER_01: And I do think, and this might be controversial, I don't care.
• 1:38:15
  SPEAKER_01: I do think that um let's say that I think there's more to know about this whole um takeover of the alternative media in terms of what's actually behind it, for this reason.
• 1:38:27
  SPEAKER_01: I I've uh I I call them the Barricade Brigade because um they're holding the line.
• 1:38:35
  SPEAKER_01: Uh they very rarely, if ever, talk about AI human fusion for a start.
• 1:38:44
  SPEAKER_01: But what's happened is okay, you you're this cult, and you look at what's happened during COVID.
• 1:38:53
  SPEAKER_01: Now, COVID is very important to you to advance your agenda, um, and and actually to see how much control you have.
• 1:39:02
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, how many people are gonna put little masks on and walk to their table in a cafe, take their mask off, eat their food, put their mask on to go to the toilet, come back, take their mask off, go go and then go to the door and take their mask off in the street.
• 1:39:14
  SPEAKER_01: How many are gonna do that?
• 1:39:15
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, they won't do that, or they will.
• 1:39:17
  SPEAKER_01: I've watched them do it.
• 1:39:18
  SPEAKER_01: So um it that it's it's important as a psychological test as well.
• 1:39:25
  SPEAKER_01: But I would I would look at that and like w when COVID started in England, the COVID restrictions, uh, a few people were protesting and going against the restrictions, and the police were picking them off.
• 1:39:40
  SPEAKER_01: By the time um the restrictions were uh taken uh taken away, I was uh walking through the streets of London with in excess of a hundred thousand people uh protesting.
• 1:39:58
  SPEAKER_01: We probably uh disagree on many, many things, but together focused protesting about these things.
• 1:40:05
  SPEAKER_01: The police were now standing on the side of the road watching us go past.
• 1:40:10
  SPEAKER_01: They had no power.
• 1:40:11
  SPEAKER_01: There is a message in that.
• 1:40:13
  SPEAKER_01: If if we'd put down the fault lines of divide and rule and belief systems and just focused on what uh what we're all being targeted by, it would be come down overnight.
• 1:40:27
  SPEAKER_01: Uh anyway, um so I I I I looked at that, and if you were the cult, you'd say, okay, um COVID was very good for us, gentlemen.
• 1:40:39
  SPEAKER_01: But a few people have now woken up, haven't they?
• 1:40:44
  SPEAKER_01: They kind of see that there's a um there is some kind of conspiracy going on.
• 1:40:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:40:49
  SPEAKER_01: So what do we do about that then?
• 1:40:51
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, over here.
• 1:40:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um well we can't put the genie totally back in the bottle.
• 1:40:59
  SPEAKER_01: But what we can do is we can stop it going any further, gentlemen.
• 1:41:04
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so what do we have to do?
• 1:41:06
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, well, where are these people getting their information from that's waking them up?
• 1:41:13
  SPEAKER_01: Well, they're not getting it from the mainstream media, which we own, because they have total contempt for the mainstream media.
• 1:41:22
  SPEAKER_01: They don't believe it.
• 1:41:24
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so we can't we can't control them through that then.
• 1:41:29
  SPEAKER_01: So where are they getting their information from?
• 1:41:31
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, well, they're getting it from this new alternative media.
• 1:41:35
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:41:36
  SPEAKER_01: Well, we need some of our people in there to take it over and stop it going any further.
• 1:41:44
  SPEAKER_01: And I should make the point, the people put in there don't or or are promoted, don't even have to know that's the case.
• 1:41:54
  SPEAKER_01: They just have to uh think that uh all you have to do is pick people that uh have a limited perception of the conspiracy and algorithm the hell out of them, and then they'll hold the line, not because they know, oh, I'm I'm I'm I'm following my mask as they told me to hold the line, I'm gonna hold the line.
• 1:42:18
  SPEAKER_01: No, they hold the line because they think that's the where the bloody line is, right?
• 1:42:22
  SPEAKER_01: But there are people, um, I am absolutely uh sure have been put in there knowingly what they're doing, but anyway, but you don't have to.
• 1:42:34
  SPEAKER_01: So what they've done is they've focused attention on the conspiracy around Trump, around um Um Harris, uh Biden, Democrats and Republicans, Labor and Conservative and uh reform with Farage and all that stuff.
• 1:42:54
  SPEAKER_01: And they're they've hold that held the line.
• 1:42:57
  SPEAKER_01: This is the conspiracy.
• 1:42:58
  SPEAKER_01: Look, and what they've it's a version of what I was talking about earlier.
• 1:43:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um don't go, don't explore beyond the norm.
• 1:43:14
  SPEAKER_01: Hold it in the norm, hold it in the five senses.
• 1:43:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's Israel, that's the thing.
• 1:43:21
  SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah.
• 1:43:23
  SPEAKER_01: But the next question, what's the next question?
• 1:43:25
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, there isn't a next question.
• 1:43:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's Israel.
• 1:43:27
  SPEAKER_01: No, no.
• 1:43:28
  SPEAKER_01: Tell you what the next question is, mate.
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  SPEAKER_01: Who controls frickin' Israel?
• 1:43:32
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 1:43:33
  SPEAKER_01: And then who controls them?
• 1:43:35
  SPEAKER_01: That's the they're the questions, but they don't they don't get asked.
• 1:43:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then you know what I've found, um, you're probably the same, uh, is that those people who I respect, I I I may not think they go far enough, but who I respect are genuinely seeking the truth, they're invariably the ones that get shadow banned.
• 1:43:57
  SPEAKER_01: And the ones that are holding the line do not.
• 1:44:01
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't think that's an accident.
• 1:44:03
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think you're wrong about that.
• 1:44:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I've I've been in well, radio and conservative media, which is uh most of it is a complete controlled arm of Israel at this point.
• 1:44:14
  SPEAKER_00: Are you talking about right-wing conservatism, whatever that means anymore in the United States.
• 1:44:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I've been in alternative media, and I agree with you.
• 1:44:20
  SPEAKER_00: And in large part.
• 1:44:22
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and I, you know, I just I try to uh be as objective as I can.
• 1:44:28
  SPEAKER_00: I uh if someone is speaking the truth, I'm gonna support them.
• 1:44:31
  SPEAKER_00: If someone is clearly repeating something they were told to do or following some sort of narrative plan, then I'll oppose them.
• 1:44:39
  SPEAKER_00: And I try to do that as much as they and it can get very confusing.
• 1:44:42
  SPEAKER_00: I appreciate everything that you've done, and um it means a lot to me that we've sat down and had this talk.
• 1:44:47
  SPEAKER_00: I've been I've enjoyed it very much.
• 1:44:49
  SPEAKER_00: But I wanted to end with one thing, and I'm curious about it.
• 1:44:54
  SPEAKER_00: You you had that experience 1990 in Peru.
• 1:44:57
  SPEAKER_00: I believe Peru was the 91.
• 1:44:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:45:00
  SPEAKER_00: And Peru historically was the home to the Inca, right?
• 1:45:04
  SPEAKER_00: Is that correct?
• 1:45:04
  SPEAKER_00: Am I right?
• 1:45:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, right.
• 1:45:06
  SPEAKER_00: And um I I in the precious metals business, and I want to get your unvarnished opinion on this because I I read histories on gold and histories on metals and coins and things like that.
• 1:45:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I was talking to Gareth, and we got into human beings and what is it about precious metals?
• 1:45:24
  SPEAKER_00: And the Incas believed that gold was the sweat of the sun and that silver was the tears of the moon.
• 1:45:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like it was it was something divine to them.
• 1:45:34
  SPEAKER_00: Same thing with the Persians.
• 1:45:35
  SPEAKER_00: It was a it was divinity, not money.
• 1:45:38
  SPEAKER_00: But there's something invariably connecting human history with precious metals, especially gold.
• 1:45:44
  SPEAKER_00: And again, unvarnished, what what is David Icke's opinion?
• 1:45:48
  SPEAKER_00: Or what is gold to humanity?
• 1:45:50
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I think um these these metals are frequencies.
• 1:45:54
  SPEAKER_01: And in terms of gold, the obsession with gold over the years uh indicates to me that it is a particularly important frequency.
• 1:46:03
  SPEAKER_01: Uh for instance, if you have are um stockpiling gold in a particular place, well, you've got a massive frequency of gold that's given off.
• 1:46:15
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't know if you saw um it was a um a CIA document that came to light recently where they were talking about the human body being crystalline and being like a liquid crystal.
• 1:46:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um now uh I've been writing that for probably twenty-five years, uh, and everything is uh about frequency in this reality.
• 1:46:49
  SPEAKER_01: That's why crystals are so important.
• 1:46:51
  SPEAKER_01: You talk about crystal healing.
• 1:46:53
  SPEAKER_01: Well, crystal healing, if you do it right, can provide a frequency you might be missing or whatever.
• 1:46:59
  SPEAKER_01: And I think gold is is a very, very powerful frequency which um which they um they they will use to their own benefit.
• 1:47:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I think silver's a very powerful um frequency as well.
• 1:47:15
  SPEAKER_01: But all these precious metals, precious metals, precious metals, um, they um that they give off a frequency.
• 1:47:23
  SPEAKER_01: And these people and the inner core will know what that frequency is and what it does.
• 1:47:29
  SPEAKER_00: That's uh that's the answer I was um thinking you might say.
• 1:47:34
  SPEAKER_00: It has something to do with frequency.
• 1:47:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:47:36
  SPEAKER_00: And it's uh it's almost like it attracts itself in some way.
• 1:47:40
  SPEAKER_00: Because they do the especially the the the cult class.
• 1:47:44
  SPEAKER_00: And they've played this trick with us with fake money, with fiat currency, as you know.
• 1:47:48
  SPEAKER_00: You've written about extensively with it's almost like a harvesting that they do.
• 1:47:53
  SPEAKER_00: And um and and of course, fiat currency is an accelerant for this reality we have now.
• 1:47:58
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it just made it worse.
• 1:47:59
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you have the wars of choice and deep state and all the rest of that.
• 1:48:02
  SPEAKER_00: The corruption is off the charts because of that.
• 1:48:05
  SPEAKER_00: And um the normal people, average people don't know that, uh, that there is some and I don't lust after them, I don't seek precious metals.
• 1:48:13
  SPEAKER_00: I I don't ha I I'm interested in them.
• 1:48:15
  SPEAKER_00: They don't have a hold on me.
• 1:48:17
  SPEAKER_00: I think they can to some people create some sort of uh overwhelming magnetism.
• 1:48:24
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't do that to me, but uh but it is interesting.
• 1:48:27
  SPEAKER_01: I'll tell you I tell you, I'll tell you the the a concept I I wrote about a long time ago, which I had.
• 1:48:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm talking about um vampiring the energy of humans, right?
• 1:48:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um and one of the um one of the themes of this consciousness, this fake god consciousness and its entities that express its consciousness is that uh it has an inability to create it has um a lack of imagination uh but can um replicate what has already been created.
• 1:49:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's like the old um stories of the Hong Kong um uh gangs that replicated um uh technology, etc., um and and and things, and then sold them back to the West.
• 1:49:38
  SPEAKER_01: I think I think that there was a there was one place that was actually renamed USA so they could say made in USA on it, yeah.
• 1:49:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um and and they they they um it has the ability, and I think because of its schismatic nature, it it doesn't have this creative imagination.
• 1:49:58
  SPEAKER_01: So it uses human imagination it uses human consciousness imagination to um a as a a a middle man and woman for its its um its um creation and when you look at um these people that uh uh dominate this cult they basically don't create anything they don't create anything they um they get humans to create it and then they take the money and what what is money um i i've met a guy once years and years ago who said i talk to money i said what do you mean you talk to money he said well money's an energy i just talk to it you know i i tell it i i want it to come to me and what what i was saying in this this book some years ago is that what they've done is they've created like a an energetic system of flow in which the energy and it is an energy um of money is coming is flowing into them and um so if you are someone who has a creative imagination and you want to um and you create something and people want it well if you're going to expand it and and and and turn it into a company that sells things sells sells what you've created what do you do you've almost certainly not got the money so you go to a bank and the bank lends you money that has never does not and will never exist just another uh uh uh form of electronic energy figures on a screen and as a result of that it is feeding off your creativity because now you've got to pay back what you've uh what you've actually not borrowed only in theory credit uh and so they're now feeding off your creativity and if by some uh circumstances your business goes bankrupt well they get your business in response to the to the money they have theoretically lent you and so they now own your creativity and and this is going on all the time you know the the banks are um the ultimate um organized crime but it's deeper than that this is why if you can pass on the nature of reality to the inner core of the cult generation after generation and create the systems of communication that the public have and you make sure that they are as ignorant as possible and and and these are as aware as possible then you set up these systems which the population in general will go that Iike's bloody mad have you heard what he's just said about money right and they're actually doing it um and and they've set up this this flow of and and when we talk about louche um louche or money to these people is louche it's a form of energy vampiring yeah and the higher up this is my studies if the higher up the pyramid you go the less creative you'll find those people and then down the spectrum like the the entrepreneurial spirit the creative wants to make something it's less about the money but they cap they can capture you if you allow it they can certainly and the loans and what you need and the leverage to get there and they they own that and then that's your creativity that grows theirs and so it or grows their wealth yes see when people have said to me over the years it's the money it's all about money it's not it's not no money is they they've got so much quote money they'd have to reincarnate a thousand times to spend it all money is a vehicle for control.
• 1:54:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's a vehicle now some people will get up in the morning obviously and they want to make more money even though they they they've got no way they're going to spend it in that lifetime they want to make more money by the time the sun goes down.
• 1:54:31
  SPEAKER_01: There are of course there is that mentality but if you go in here money's just a f a means of control.
• 1:54:38
  SPEAKER_00: Trevor Burrus It's just control and it's the energy harvest it's a completely different spectrum exactly than what the perception is of the you know a love of money is the root of all evil it's partially mostly true but except there's a caveat to what is it being loved for?
• 1:54:55
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 1:54:56
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:54:56
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly make sure my audience knows where they can find you David and where you want to be found.
• 1:55:01
  SPEAKER_00: I know davidycke.com I I go there all the time check out your articles and we're in iconic studios.
• 1:55:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah um davidike com is where they can get the books um um get books elsewhere but that's the the place that they can get them and in America North America uh the books are are sent from North America so you don't have to wait for them to come from England it will be there within 24 48 hours um and then iconic.com you know this is a this is just I think it's just a fantastic platform and I don't take credit for it um uh you know others have um created it but um I um I think it's a fantastic platform and uh it it it covers this whole range like very few do this whole range from the nature of reality I've done many documentaries on it for them and um and uh right across to the the daily this is what's happening today and actually this is what they're not telling you about what's happening today.
• 1:56:04
  SPEAKER_01: So it's it's a it's a vast spectrum that we cover.
• 1:56:07
  SPEAKER_01: And um I I think it's a great platform.
• 1:56:10
  SPEAKER_00: I do too and uh I've been following it for years.
• 1:56:13
  SPEAKER_00: I've had um known people here on this platform and I you have some great content and I appreciate all your books and everything that you've done I've been following you for many years this is a great honor to be able to sit down and do this and and thank you to uh to Gareth and to Jamie for having me really nice to meet you.
• 1:56:29
  SPEAKER_00: Nice meeting you all right davidike.com folks iconic.com get the books become a subscriber thanks again