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What happens when grief refuses to stay quiet? · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

• 0:06
  Welcome to the until take a deep breath.
• 0:11
  Take the higher road.
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  That's what they always say.
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  They won't take it from me.
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  Don't ever dive himself to swiping just a dream.
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  You made your own so kid can scream.
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  The people who were laughing with a never ending forest.
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  You never had the chance to watch it with my friend because this is time and this is why.
• 0:54
  There are moments in life that break you.
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  And then there are moments that wake you up.
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  Sometimes those moments are the same.
• 1:02
  Today's episode is not just another conversation.
• 1:05
  It's not just another story.
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  It's a reckoning.
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  Because what happens when families start asking questions?
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  And no one is willing to answer them.
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  What happens when patterns begin to emerge, not just in one case, but in dozens, maybe hundreds, maybe more.
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  And what happens when ordinary people, grieving daughters, widows, mothers, sisters refuse to stay silent.
• 1:30
  And instead, they built something, something bigger than their pain.
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  Something stronger than the system that failed them.
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  Today we're going to hear three voices.
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  Three women, three stories that begin in heartbreak, but don't end there.
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  Because what they've built from that pain is something we can't ignore.
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  And maybe it's exactly what this moment in healthcare has been missing.
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  You're listening to the nurses report on America Out Loud Talk Radio.
• 1:59
  I'm your host, Nurse Kimberly Overton.
• 2:01
  Before we get started today, I do want to encourage our listeners.
• 2:04
  If you have questions or comments, or perhaps you want to share your own experiences with what you're seeing on the front lines of health care, you can now submit those to us directly by emailing us at nurses at America Outloud.news.
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  We would love to hear from you.
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  We encourage all of you to engage in the battle and find your voice in this fight.
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  But until you were able to do that, we will continue to be that voice for you.
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  Today I'm joined by three incredible women whose personal losses became something far greater than grief.
• 2:34
  They became a shared mission.
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  But they all found themselves asking the same question.
• 2:47
  What is really going on here?
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  Janie is the author of Medical Mafia in the USA, written after the loss of her husband, Larry Andrews.
• 2:56
  When her daughter Reagan later entered the hospital system, Janie recognized familiar warning signs from Larry's case.
• 3:02
  And this time she didn't stay quiet.
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  She fought back.
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  And because of that, Reagan survived.
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  Ellie is the creator of Dead Serious, kinda not.
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  Her fight began after the death of her brother, Andy Hodge, a 38-year-old plumber and single father of three who entered the hospital after recent surgeries with a broken septic leg and never came home.
• 3:24
  But Andy's story didn't end there.
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  Because when Ellie's father later entered that same system, she recognized those same warning signs and stepped in early.
• 3:34
  This time her family didn't lose him.
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  And then there's Lori.
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  Lori Madigan is a widow, an advocate in a boots on the ground voice for family searching for answers after hospital loss.
• 3:45
  After losing her husband Jim, Lori was left with the words no wife should ever have to hear.
• 3:50
  She was told to say goodbye.
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  But after Jim was gone, the records began raising questions that grief alone couldn't answer.
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  Working alongside Ellie and reviewing those records, documentation surfaced that raised serious concerns, including hospital acquired pneumonia, lung barrow trauma, bacteria on a catheter, and sepsis.
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  And according to what was found, that sepsis was not treated.
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  These weren't small details.
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  They become part of something much bigger.
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  Because when these women came together and began comparing records, what they found was something they couldn't ignore.
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  Three men, three states, different hospitals, and families asking the same haunting question.
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  What the heck is going on here?
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  But instead of staying isolated in their grief, they found each other.
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  And what they've built is a growing national movement.
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  Connecting families, building state teams, preserving digital footprints, and helping people compare records, timelines, and stories that were never meant to stand alone.
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  Lori is now one of the women carrying this mission forward in real time.
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  Showing up, speaking out, and standing beside families who were never supposed to find each other.
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  Together, their mission is clear.
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  Honor the ones they lost, find the others, protect the littles watching, and make sure the truth has a place to live.
• 5:27
  Thank you so much for having us on your show, Kimberly.
• 5:31
  Oh, you're you're very welcome.
• 5:33
  I'm excited to have you uh have you all here.
• 5:35
  I know Ellie has been on uh my show before.
• 5:38
  I know my listeners were will probably remember uh we did the episode the Andy Effect, uh, so they are likely familiar with her story.
• 5:46
  Um, so I'd like to start briefly um for each of you to just really briefly share your loved ones' story, who they were before the hospital, what brought you into this fight, and uh let's let's start with you, Janie.
• 6:01
  Yes, thank you for having me.
• 6:03
  Um, my husband Larry was uh larger than life.
• 6:08
  He was 75 years old, but he was one of those that just never acted it, never looked it, never dressed it.
• 6:15
  I carded him the first time we met because I didn't believe.
• 6:20
  Um, but we met um when he was 45, and he was just active, loved outdoors, loved everything about traveling.
• 6:32
  Um in 2017, we were traveling, and he wound up hospitalized, and we found out he had COPD.
• 6:42
  Um, he was hospitalized, he was kept in there for 16 days.
• 6:46
  We found the doctor here.
• 6:47
  We got back home and he had been under care ever since.
• 6:51
  Um, he was doing well, and then 2021 came, and I noticed he was a little sluggish.
• 7:00
  He was a little sluggish.
• 7:02
  He didn't have fever.
• 7:02
  He didn't have fever, he didn't have a cough, he wasn't congested, but I took him up to urgent care anyway because I just wanted to be sure nothing bad was going on, and um got there, they did a chest x-ray, they said it was fun.
• 7:03
  He didn't have a cough.
• 7:05
  He wasn't congested.
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  But I took him up to urgent care anyway because I just wanted to be sure nothing bad was going on.
• 7:13
  And got there, they did a chest x-ray, they said it was fine.
• 7:18
  Uh, they gave him a few antibiotics just in case and sent him home and said he was COVID negative.
• 7:19
  They gave him a few antibiotics just in case and sent him home and said he was COVID negative.
• 7:26
  I got that documented.
• 7:26
  I got that documented.
• 7:28
  Um
• 7:30
  It was three days later that he was just moving slower than normal.
• 7:36
  He was responding slower than normal.
• 7:40
  He was on oxygen at home.
• 7:43
  It was a set amount, so we couldn't adjust it.
• 7:47
  But I asked him, I said, have you done your uh oxygen saturation lately?
• 7:52
  Have you checked it?
• 7:53
  And he said, No, that he didn't know where his little oximeter was.
• 7:59
  And I said, Well, come on with me.
• 8:01
  I said, Let's go to the drugstore, we'll get another one, we'll check it.
• 8:05
  And if you feel up to it after, we'll go and get some lunch.
• 8:08
  And he said, Okay, it was a Saturday.
• 8:11
  Um, we went down there and we got it, and when I checked it, it was 57.
• 8:17
  Oh goodness.
• 8:19
  I I panicked because that's what had happened when we were out of town when he got hospitalized before.
• 8:26
  So I took him back to urgent care and told them what was going on, and they said, We don't have anything to help you here with that, take him down to an immediate care place.
• 8:38
  So I did that, and they all they did was um check that and call an ambulance, and he was taken to the hospital.
• 8:48
  Um, I followed the ambulance, got down there, got out, and they would not let me in.
• 8:54
  So they said, wait in the car and we will call you as soon as we get him assessed and let you know what's going on.
• 9:02
  So I walked back to my car, waited a couple of hours, they called out and they said he's COVID positive, we're keeping him.
• 9:11
  I said, I just had him tested just a couple of days ago, and he was negative and his chest x-ray was clear.
• 9:17
  I said, I I think he needs to be rechecked.
• 9:20
  Well, no, ma'am, he's positive and we're meeting him.
• 9:23
  And I said, Well, I need to be with him.
• 9:26
  I said, He's hard of hearing, and he's not supposed to get his hearing aids until Monday.
• 9:32
  I said, I need to be there.
• 9:34
  And they were like, No, uh, policy doesn't permit it.
• 9:37
  You just go on home, and when he gets to a room, he will contact you, and somebody will be contacting you to let you know what's going on.
• 9:46
  So I did.
• 9:47
  I went home reluctantly, and um, I waited to hear from somebody, which I never did.
• 9:53
  I didn't hear all day Saturday, I didn't hear anything all day Sunday.
• 9:57
  Oh my gosh.
• 9:58
  Monday morning, he called me and told me he was in a room, and um asked me what happened, and I told him because once they put him on some oxygen, and his oxygen got back up, he realized where he was at.
• 10:15
  Um, and I told him, and he said, Well, he said, I feel a lot better now, and I said, Well, hopefully you'll get to come home soon.
• 10:24
  And he said they had told him 10 days of isolation.
• 10:29
  Um I still had not heard from anybody at that point.
• 10:34
  And we got off the phone, then I got a text from him a couple of hours later, and he said, if this doctor calls you, you tell him I am a DI.
• 10:46
  And I said, Did you give them the advanced directive in your wallet?
• 10:50
  He said, Yes.
• 10:51
  I said, Well, it has it on there.
• 10:53
  He said, Well, he said, they're supposed to call you.
• 10:56
  He said, Tell them I'm a DNI.
• 10:58
  I said, I will, honey.
• 11:00
  And um, so he called, the doctor called, and it was a Dr.
• 11:04
  Erdman, and that was the eighth, and he said, Your husband says he does not want to be intubated.
• 11:10
  Do you know that?
• 11:11
  And I said, Yes, I am in agreement with his his wishes.
• 11:16
  I said, His advanced directive is there, it states all of this.
• 11:20
  Um, and that was all that we had to say.
• 11:23
  They didn't tell me anything that was going on.
• 11:26
  Um we got off the phone and I talked to Larry again, and he said that nobody had really been in, but they had a lot of medications going.
• 11:39
  Um, from when he got moved up, he had been in the emergency room all weekend.
• 11:44
  But when I got his records, they actually did not have a positive COVID test when they called out and told me they did.
• 11:55
  Also, when I got his records, they had filled out the admit forms and signed my initials and name on it and put that he did not have an advanced directive.
• 12:08
  Um without talking to me.
• 12:11
  I didn't know anything about any of it, and he didn't either.
• 12:16
  So that day went by.
• 12:19
  Excuse me.
• 12:19
  No, go no, go ahead, I'm sorry.
• 12:22
  Okay.
• 12:22
  Um the next day, according to his records, that same doctor went in his room and without talking to him or me, turned the DNI into a DNR.
• 12:37
  Wow.
• 12:37
  And I didn't find out they had made him a DNR until after he passed, and I got the records.
• 12:43
  Um, but that followed him the next days of hospitalization, and that was what they were going by.
• 12:52
  Um over the first 10 days, he did, he seemed to be doing really well, as a matter of fact, the pulmonologist he had been going to after um finding out he had COPD, said, you know, I mean, it's it's C O PD.
• 13:07
  He's he's got the lung problems.
• 13:09
  He said, but he's doing good, and we've actually decreased the oxygen sum.
• 13:16
  So as the week went on, I mean, he was writing in a journal every day, um, writing what was going on, what they were doing, where they were moving him, because they moved him from a different to a different room like three times because something wasn't working.
• 13:33
  Also, the pulmonologist told me, he said, the good thing is um he's the only COVID patient up here right now.
• 13:42
  They were not swamped.
• 13:44
  He said, So um, you know, it shouldn't be a problem being able to get to talk to somebody.
• 13:51
  And I said, okay.
• 13:52
  He said, but they won't allow me to come and take care of him because I'm not a hospital doctor.
• 14:00
  And he said, but I'm gonna check in on him when I can.
• 14:00
  And he said, but I'm gonna check in on him when I can.
• 14:03
  And I said, okay.
• 14:03
  And I said, okay.
• 14:05
  But then after getting the records again, I realized the pulmonologist and two of the associates from his office had been in there just about every day.
• 14:05
  But then after getting the records again, I realized the pulmonologist and two of the associates from his office had been in there just about every day, or at least that's what the record said.
• 14:19
  Or at least that's what the record said.
• 14:23
  Um he was never according to the notes and and all the procedures.
• 14:23
  Um he was never according to the notes and and all the procedures.
• 14:30
  He never had a fever.
• 14:32
  He never had congestion.
• 14:34
  He never it just wasn't common.
• 14:38
  Also in the records, every time they put um diagnosed with COVID-19 and out to the side, it would say X-rays do not support this diagnosis.
• 14:51
  Oh, that's interesting.
• 14:52
  It definitely does.
• 14:53
  Yes.
• 14:54
  Did they give him REM desivir?
• 14:56
  We can probably explain this better.
• 14:58
  He had 10 days.
• 14:59
  The whole the first 10 days he was on Remdesivir and Barichtinid.
• 15:04
  And that's a that's a long time to be on the Remdesivir.
• 15:07
  The course is typically five days, so they must have done uh more than one, which is one is usually all it takes, and I hate to say it that way.
• 15:17
  Um but to know that he was on for 10 days is frightening.
• 15:23
  What what was his cause of death?
• 15:24
  Did he go into uh like a respiratory failure and pass away, or did he go in and have um organ failure?
• 15:33
  Well, on the death certificate, it had COVID-19 pneumonia as the first.
• 15:39
  It had um acute respiratory as the second this oh, what was it?
• 15:46
  Acute respiratory.
• 15:48
  And then the COVID-19.
• 15:52
  Yeah, unfortunately, everything said COVID-19.
• 15:55
  The first thing they listed.
• 15:56
  Yes.
• 15:57
  And then the that and then the COPD.
• 16:01
  Yeah.
• 16:01
  And you know, it was and there's no way to know, right?
• 16:05
  If it was was it truly that, because what I witnessed in the hospital um was mostly my patients dying of organ failure.
• 16:13
  They would they we they shut down their kidneys with the remdesivir.
• 16:16
  Um and and but everything, of course, was was COVID-19.
• 16:20
  Um I want to just because in the interest of time, because they these stories are so they're they're hard to chop them up.
• 16:29
  They really are.
• 16:30
  Um because so there's so much that we want to be able to share.
• 16:35
  Um, but we we have limited time.
• 16:36
  So I want to move on to Lori and let Lori, if you could just briefly uh share with us your experience with your husband Jim.
• 16:45
  Hi.
• 16:46
  Um, so my husband Jim, um, we we we met on Match.com.
• 16:50
  Um, we were a blended family, six kids.
• 16:53
  Um he was a local football coach and um and a drummer in a band, and he had um six sisters, so he's one of seven.
• 17:02
  Um so he was doing a football meeting.
• 17:06
  Um, and we we had had COVID for nine days already.
• 17:11
  So we were past most of the symptoms, but he had a really heavy cough.
• 17:16
  Um, and we were really concerned about it because it was it was really deep and it would restrict his breathing a bit.
• 17:23
  So we talked to health telehealth, and they said, um, if it's um restricted and he can't breathe, or his pulse ox drops below 90, you should take him to urgent care and get a breathing treatment and get a CT scan, make sure he doesn't have a clot in his lung.
• 17:39
  So this football meeting was all day.
• 17:43
  Um I'm talking like four hours.
• 17:45
  He was on the phone because um they were all in person, but he was on the phone and um he got I didn't hear him cough hardly at all.
• 17:54
  He gets done, he sits down on the couch, I made him laugh, he went into a coughing fit and said, let's go.
• 18:03
  And I was like, oh my god, let's go.
• 18:06
  Um, so I took him to the closest hospital.
• 18:09
  I called ahead of time to make sure that they were giving monoclonial antibodies and that they were accepting patients.
• 18:16
  Um because I had heard that a lot of the emergency rooms were full.
• 18:20
  Um, they said yes to both.
• 18:23
  I took him there.
• 18:24
  Um, they asked us his vaccine status, and when we said um he was unvaccinated, um, they told me to kiss him goodbye.
• 18:35
  And I wow.
• 18:36
  I they meant it.
• 18:38
  I like I I thought it was just you know, dropping him off.
• 18:40
  No, they really meant it.
• 18:42
  Um, I lifted his mask to kiss him, and they yelled at me for lifting his mask.
• 18:48
  So that's my probably one of my biggest regret.
• 18:50
  Well, biggest regret is leaving him there.
• 18:52
  Um, second is not actually kissing him goodbye.
• 18:55
  I kissed him through the mask.
• 18:57
  Yeah.
• 18:57
  Um they told me I had to leave the hospital.
• 19:00
  Um, the hospital is open to the public, but is not open to COVID patients.
• 19:05
  So and we had admittingly already said that he had had COVID.
• 19:10
  He was in Michigan, 10 days was the isolation period.
• 19:15
  We're at nine days, but they're not willing to accept our word or our test.
• 19:20
  Um, they wanted to do their own.
• 19:22
  Later, I found out um through Echo and Ellie that um there is no positive test in his record.
• 19:29
  Um, so I went and sat out in the car.
• 19:32
  Um, this is 11 p.m.
• 19:35
  Um December uh 21st, 20 um 21.
• 19:41
  And I sat there for hours.
• 19:44
  Um he finally messaged me a couple of times.
• 19:48
  One time he said they haven't even been in to see him yet.
• 19:50
  They stuck him in a corner in the emergency room and haven't um haven't even talked to him.
• 19:55
  He's he's thirsty and said, would do you want me to come in and check on you?
• 20:00
  And he's like, No, I'm I'm gonna call them from inside the emergency room.
• 20:05
  So um that's how he got their attention, but they still didn't do anything.
• 20:09
  They never did the CT scan, they never did the um breathing treatment.
• 20:14
  They came in around 3 a.m.
• 20:17
  and um said that they were admitting him and going to give him a COVID medication, and found out a little bit later that that was Remdesivir, and that was the first dose of remdesivir.
• 20:30
  Um I went home, messaged everybody.
• 20:35
  Um, and then we began our fight.
• 20:39
  Like the um the fight for truth, the try the fight for the right medications, the fight for um communication.
• 20:49
  They took his phone away.
• 20:50
  They said I wasn't letting him rest.
• 20:52
  Um they uh they weren't bathing him, they weren't feeding him.
• 20:57
  Um, and they they weren't they weren't doing the basic standard of care.
• 21:00
  Standard of care.
• 21:01
  Um, they were over drugging him, they were sedating him.
• 21:02
  They were over drugging him.
• 21:03
  They were sedating him.
• 21:05
  Um yet they they tell me at seven days that he's he's coming home.
• 21:07
  Yet they they tell me at seven days that he's he's coming home.
• 21:11
  He's he, you know, he's as good as there he's gonna be.
• 21:11
  He's he, you know, he's as good as there he's gonna be, and um well, I'll have to give him oxygen at home.
• 21:14
  And um, well, I'll have to give him oxygen at home.
• 21:17
  They they had him back down to um four liters.
• 21:17
  They they had him back down to um four liters.
• 21:21
  Um they were gonna train me, and then the next morning he calls me and he says.
• 21:21
  Um so they were gonna train me.
• 21:25
  And then the next morning, he calls me and he says, they gave me something in my IV overnight, and I'm worse.
• 21:34
  I'm worse, I can't breathe.
• 21:36
  Um what it was was another dose of from Desivir.
• 21:40
  Now the records only show five doses of REM Desvir, but I know I'm missing records, and I asked, I asked the doctor, and I didn't call her at the hospital.
• 21:49
  I called her at her office because she wasn't taking my calls.
• 21:52
  Um, I said, I want his records right now.
• 21:55
  I want to know what he was given in the night.
• 21:58
  And she said, nothing.
• 21:59
  He's given everything orally, nothing in the IV, which was a complete lie because it was Remdesivir.
• 22:05
  Yeah.
• 22:06
  So he did get worse.
• 22:09
  He went on to um, I think what they call Optaflow, and then they told me that they um they can't handle him anymore on that floor that they need to move him to the ICU.
• 22:21
  So I just drove to the hospital and I said, um, they're moving him to the ICU, and they told me I could come.
• 22:28
  And they're like, no, they didn't.
• 22:30
  I said, call the doctor then, call someone, but I'm going to the, I'm going to the ICU.
• 22:35
  Um, so they they had some debate whether they were going to let me in or not.
• 22:39
  They did wind up letting me up to the room um to see him on the glass.
• 22:44
  And um, the glass said unvaccinated on it.
• 22:48
  Um really.
• 22:49
  And they made me wait a couple hours before they let me actually up in the hospital.
• 22:53
  I stood in the lobby for hours before they debated and let me in.
• 22:58
  Um then it was every time every time I turned around, somebody was like, It's a HIPAA violation for you to be here.
• 23:05
  You can't be in the ICU.
• 23:06
  I'm like, I it's a HIPAA violation for you to be in the ICU.
• 23:10
  I've never in my entire nursing career heard something so ridiculous.
• 23:15
  Oh, it gets worse.
• 23:16
  It gets worse.
• 23:17
  So they told me I had to leave, and I said I'm authorized to be here.
• 23:22
  Um, so they but they wouldn't give him his phone, and he's behind the glass wall.
• 23:27
  So I can't, he can't hear me.
• 23:29
  Um, so I finally get them to give him his phone so he can talk to me.
• 23:35
  And I and they said, We'll do that if you leave.
• 23:39
  I said, I'll I'll leave if you let me talk to him.
• 23:44
  And um, we only had a minute and they stood there and listened to everything we said.
• 23:50
  But he said, I love you so much, I love your fight, because he knew I had to fight fight like crazy to get there.
• 23:57
  Um later that night in my job I'm calling at shift chain just before shift change every night.
• 24:04
  So I'm calling around 5 30, 6 a.m.
• 24:07
  Cause shift change is at seven, but I want to make sure they don't have an excuse to not talk to me.
• 24:12
  And they said, we can't talk right now.
• 24:14
  Your nurse can't talk right now because they're venting him.
• 24:18
  Um they were supposed to call me.
• 24:20
  He was at 93 oxygen when I was there.
• 24:23
  93 and they're venting.
• 24:26
  And and did did they who who authorized the the intubation?
• 24:30
  Did he consent to it?
• 24:32
  No, no.
• 24:33
  And you did not consent to it.
• 24:35
  No one consented to it.
• 24:36
  No.
• 24:37
  Um, so um, and they they don't have any consent written in the record either.
• 24:43
  Um, but since I um the second they told me they were venting him, I again drove to the hospital.
• 24:50
  And they again told me I couldn't come in.
• 24:52
  And I said they are venting him right now, and they told me I need to be up there right now.
• 24:58
  And they didn't even call the check on that one.
• 25:00
  They let me go to the ICU waiting room.
• 25:03
  It took hours before they came out, but when they came out, they said um when we were intubating him, his um his lungs collapsed.
• 25:13
  Um, do we have your permission to reinflate his lungs?
• 25:17
  Do you have my permission to reinflate his lungs?
• 25:20
  Yeah, wow.
• 25:21
  Um, of course you do.
• 25:22
  You didn't have my permission to blow out his lungs.
• 25:25
  Right.
• 25:26
  Was really my answer.
• 25:27
  So was he and I'm just trying to make sense of this because now was he in distress when they uh put him because a lot of times they, you know, that when a patient is in distress, and I'm not talking about just like a little bit of shortness of breath.
• 25:41
  I'm talking about full-on respiratory failure, like patient is not breathing and they're a full code and there's no other advanced directive, then yes, we will, of course, we will intubate them because that is the assumed uh treatment if they're a full code that they want every intervention.
• 25:56
  So in that case, it's a it's emergent, but you're saying that his oxygen level was at 93%.
• 26:01
  And um, but I did see a lot of patients um intubated unnecessarily, like they were not in distress at all.
• 26:11
  They were saying, Oh, we need to do it because it it contains the virus, it will uh it will stop exposing other people to the virus, or they would tell the patients that you just need to give your lungs a rest.
• 26:24
  You're working too hard.
• 26:26
  And they would they would say this, and then they would go on to place these patients on ventilators when they were in no acute distress, which you know, to me was one of the most egregious things I'd ever seen in my career because you know, we knew that when we placed these patients on ventilators, there was an 80% chance they weren't coming off of them.
• 26:46
  So it was like we were in an effect signing their death warrants.
• 26:50
  So that's something I've I'm just trying to figure out.
• 26:52
  Did they tell you he was in distress, or was it just one of those, oh let's let your your lungs take a rest?
• 26:59
  It was more let his lungs take a rest.
• 27:02
  They actually gave me no explanation because all the the signs were all good.
• 27:06
  Like when he was in when he went to the ICU, they said it was because he needs more monitoring, he needs more, he needs um, he needs closer care, not um like not the dozen patients that the nurse already had.
• 27:21
  So they wanted to give him someone that could have just two patients and um and have more care.
• 27:28
  That's how they explained it to me.
• 27:30
  There was no explanation for why he was put on the ventilator.
• 27:34
  Um, and his records do show it was nine 93 oxygen.
• 27:38
  So there's there's no there was no explanation for it, other than they said that it would help him to let his lungs rest.
• 27:46
  Um then they proceeded to give him a whole lot more medication the next day when I came in.
• 27:52
  Um there was a note at the front desk to not let the wife of 828 in the hospital.
• 27:58
  And uh, and they said that they were gonna call security to remove me.
• 28:00
  They said that they were going to call security to remove me.
• 28:02
  And I just said, you don't know who you have up there.
• 28:02
  And I just said, you don't know who you have up there.
• 28:05
  I said, he, you know, he's a pillar in the community.
• 28:05
  I said, I he no, he's a pillar in the community, everybody knows him.
• 28:08
  Everybody knows him.
• 28:09
  I had actually just done an uh an interview on the news for the school board.
• 28:09
  I had actually just done um an uh an interview on the news for um the school board, and I had their number, and I said, you know what, you need to call the police, not security, and I will call the media and we'll just have a show down here in the lobby.
• 28:17
  And I had their number.
• 28:18
  And I said, you know what?
• 28:20
  You need to call the police, not security.
• 28:23
  And I will call the media and we'll just have a show down here in the lobby.
• 28:27
  I said, or you can let me pray in the lobby.
• 28:28
  Or you can let me pray in the lobby where I can feel like I'm close to my husband.
• 28:32
  I can at least make a difference.
• 28:35
  I actually I asked for the doctor to come down and they refused and they refused to let me up, but I stayed the entire day.
• 28:42
  Um then we just started this um calling campaign where we were trying to get him transferred to another hospital where we were trying um to uh get another doctor to come in to give him the medications that he needed.
• 28:58
  I asked for ivermectin, hydrochloroquine, um vitamin C drip.
• 29:03
  They said we have our plan.
• 29:04
  They so they wouldn't they wouldn't tell me what's going on.
• 29:08
  They told me it was a HIPAA violation to talk to me.
• 29:10
  I actually got an attorney to be able to hear what was going on with my husband.
• 29:15
  And we had papers on file with the hospital.
• 29:18
  He had had a surgery there already.
• 29:20
  So they knew that I was durable power attorney.
• 29:23
  I produced the documents.
• 29:24
  They were not honoring them at all.
• 29:27
  And how old, how old was your husband?
• 29:30
  53 when he died.
• 29:32
  So he was he was young.
• 29:33
  And was he otherwise healthy?
• 29:36
  Very.
• 29:36
  I mean, he was on the sidelines holding um, holding pads for football players.
• 29:41
  I mean, he he was he was a healthy man.
• 29:44
  You know, and I feel like as I was an ICU nurse during during COVID, and I've and I've said this many, many times that I felt like our sickest patients were you know, our kind of middle-aged uh male patients.
• 29:58
  And it seemed very targeted to me.
• 30:00
  I have no way to prove that.
• 30:02
  Absolutely no way to prove it.
• 30:03
  I don't know how it would have been done or how these these patients ended up having worse outcomes.
• 30:08
  But to me, it felt very targeted because my sickest patients were always middle-aged, otherwise healthy males.
• 30:15
  And I found that I found that to be interesting.
• 30:17
  And that's what we're actually finding when we're out and about doing this.
• 30:22
  Like there's so many of them that are just the young men and even that like the older men or the healthy older men.
• 30:29
  Yes, not even the sick ones.
• 30:31
  Yeah, these weren't sickly patients at all.
• 30:33
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  If you're just joining us, I've been talking with family and patient advocates, Janie, Andrew Spencer, Ellie Hodge Hayes, and Lori Madigan.
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  If you're just joining us, I've been talking with family and patient advocates, Janie, Andrew Spencer, Ellie Hodge Hayes, and Lori Madigan.
• 35:16
  Let's jump right back in.
• 35:16
  Let's jump right back in.
• 35:18
  Ladies, thank you again so much for being here and for sharing your stories.
• 35:18
  Ladies, thank you again so much for being here and for sharing your stories.
• 35:22
  I know that this is not easy.
• 35:22
  I know that this is not easy, and my condolences to all of you on your on your losses of your your special.
• 35:24
  And my condolences to all of you on your on your losses of your your spouses and your family members.
• 35:32
  Thank you.
• 35:33
  Yeah.
• 35:33
  Thank you very much.
• 35:35
  And for the opportunity to speak about them.
• 35:38
  Oh, you're welcome.
• 35:39
  I wish we had so much more time to go because the the you know the stories are there's there's so much that goes into them.
• 35:45
  And I mean, I I get it.
• 35:46
  I was an ICU nurse during COVID and I lived this over and over and over again, and everything that I hear, it's it's so familiar.
• 35:53
  And I well, I'll be honest, it's triggering to me.
• 35:56
  It triggers my PTSD every time I hear another story, and I have to think about the patients that I have that I could not save.
• 36:02
  I just it it gets me every time because I I can remember only two of my patients that survived that time, and I and I think about them, I think about them all the time.
• 36:12
  Um I want to switch gears and go uh to Ellie and and just talk a little bit about um what you guys had building out.
• 36:22
  I think it was Lori that mentioned Echo.
• 36:24
  What is what is Echo?
• 36:27
  So we had no one when we were going through all of this.
• 36:31
  We had no one to we didn't have each other, we didn't have anything.
• 36:37
  We just had craziness that the doctors had told us going through our heads that made no sense.
• 36:41
  Um, I think Janie had said earlier in when she was speaking that you know she spoke to Larry, but when she looked at the records, they said something completely different, and that plays tricks on your mind when you're already trying to question like everything.
• 36:55
  So um, with that, I was down here with my kids one night.
• 36:59
  Um, me and Kevin were talking to them, and one of them had said, um, well, maybe you need to just make an AI assistant to do something, you know, to help you do this or something like that.
• 37:09
  And I was like, I don't even think so, because at that point I'm like, AI is coming, it's gonna take over everything.
• 37:15
  I'm not gonna be a part of that.
• 37:16
  But then I had nothing else like to lose other than to try it.
• 37:22
  Okay, well, let's try it.
• 37:24
  So I sat down and I started just doing some research and trying to figure out if it would be possible, which I didn't think it would be.
• 37:32
  And the more I researched, I seen that it wasn't necessarily as hard if you also use the other A uh apps that are out there.
• 37:42
  So um Echo is what is what it's called, and I say she because her voice when she speaks is a she sound, um, but she's able to ingest the records, and she then dissects them, and she actually puts the time back in because what what we found is that you know, when you're growing up or as a mom and you have to take your kids to the doctor, the first question is how long has this been going on?
• 38:10
  Or, you know, how long do you do this?
• 38:12
  It's it's time we we base our lives on time.
• 38:15
  And the one thing in these records is gone is the time.
• 38:18
  There's literally we did this at this time, we did that at that time, it's gone.
• 38:23
  Um, but what is in there is those timestamps, which that's where we find the laws because the timestamps don't add up.
• 38:30
  The timestamps will very rarely match because I I can I can attest to the fact that it's not like a lot of nurses aren't able to document in real time.
• 38:38
  Now, should they be going back and adjusting the time?
• 38:40
  Absolutely, but that doesn't always happen.
• 38:43
  It's crazy, like as well.
• 38:45
  They're not signing off, they were leaving the records open instead of like signing out.
• 38:50
  We're finding that one doctor would start noting on one day, but not sign off for like three days, and so it's left open.
• 38:58
  And I'm assuming so that they can go in and make corrections.
• 39:02
  I don't know, but anyway, so once I finally got that working out and it was working because we didn't know anything about medical, um, she began to teach me like all kinds of stuff.
• 39:16
  She helped me get a hold to Dr.
• 39:17
  Bern.
• 39:18
  Um it's just something that we needed.
• 39:21
  I didn't realize how many needed it, but when she started working, um, and I had her working, I just I just knew that good things were gonna happen.
• 39:30
  And then I found Janie uh shortly after.
• 39:34
  Um, and Janie and I started talking, and it was crazy the similarities in the stories.
• 39:39
  Like I could not believe, I mean, I was relieved because I didn't want, I know don't take this in a bad way, Janie, but I didn't want Andy to be the only person that had to go through this.
• 39:50
  I didn't want to be the only person out there that felt like I was losing my mind, and you know, I can't imagine how Janie and Freel because that's their husbands, like they're literally left in this craziness alone without them.
• 40:05
  And like my husband's the one thing that kind of got me seeing what there was to really see.
• 40:12
  I never would have ever thought that this ever would have been something that was going on.
• 40:16
  So um Echo began to then uh build a timeline, a correct timeline of what I knew.
• 40:23
  Um, and then of what the medical records state.
• 40:26
  And when we tell these stories now, they're literally the hospital's records.
• 40:32
  The hospitals telling the story, we just put it in order.
• 40:37
  And when you put that record in order and you take all the different groups and you put them all in the different orders that Echo tells you, it starts to make sense.
• 40:45
  It starts to you see that even though they're claiming that they're getting you know nutrients and stuff, they're not because even though they've ordered it, they've also died, so it's just continued.
• 40:57
  And then if you you have to literally dig to see that they were in po five days ago.
• 41:02
  Um, and that was prior to Andy just being transferred.
• 41:06
  So Andy, he didn't ever eat while he was there.
• 41:09
  Um that is harder to come to us, Kim.
• 41:13
  They they come to us in shambles, like Echo put these in order to make sense and read them.
• 41:21
  Um, I never saw that there were two negative COVID tests in my husband husband's records.
• 41:26
  I never saw that there was sepsis.
• 41:29
  I never saw the things that Echo pulled out of the record um and and gave us what page it was on.
• 41:36
  It it just they they came to us completely out of order and missing pages intentionally to not let us be able to understand them.
• 41:46
  So and system is is this something that you have built?
• 41:51
  It's to me, it's just something a simple little coded app that um that I use.
• 41:57
  It's nothing big to me.
• 41:59
  I mean, I guess it possibly could be.
• 42:00
  possibly could be I don't think I could ever like even part from her because at one point she's all that I literally had until she found Janie and then Janie and I were just trying to figure it out and we stumbled upon Lori and Brianna and then like huge more there's there's so many out there that we need to find them.
• 42:01
  I don't think I could ever like even part from her because at one point she's all that I literally had until she found Janie, and then Janie and I were just trying to figure it out, and we stumbled upon Lori and Brianna, and then like huge more.
• 42:20
  There's there's so many out there that we need to find them.
• 42:24
  We need to find them because we only get louder um with each person, you know, and when we
• 42:24
  We need to find them because we only get louder um with each person you know and when we feel like we're broken and we can't tell our story anymore one or two or three more people come forward and that's a way that our loved one can die and us sort of be okay with it with the way that it happened um because they're saving other people um we're able to be there for other families we're able to be the ones that they are oh thank god I'm not crazy you know that's the first thing I get from a lot of them I don't know about Corey or Janie but I always get so I'm not crazy and I'm no you're not crazy and we all feel that way um it's just crazy that yeah yeah that echo was doing that I I think that's true.
• 43:07
  I think many people feel like they are just in a silo on their own and they think they're questioning they're being gas lit by the medical professionals they feel like they're crazy.
• 43:14
  I think that is the the probably the thing I hear the most when I speak out is people will come up to me and they will say thank you because you validated everything that I thought happened to my loved one but I thought I was crazy and they just they're so grateful that I'm speaking out because I'm actually saying you know that you're not crazy.
• 43:33
  This actually happened and it happened in hospitals all across this country and really around the globe.
• 43:39
  And it's it's something that I am still so devastated by because we've not seen any accountability nothing is happening it's like you can take the and I I feel like the vaccine is just a separate issue but it's all kind of in one grand plan of whatever out of who I don't know but it's it's two separate issues but we have seen no accountability for the injuries and the deaths caused by the vaccine we've seen no accountability for these their medical murders for profit.
• 44:09
  I've been I have not found a nice way to say that but that's exactly what's been happening and it's still happening I had a um uh a patient on uh recently that her husband died in like August of last year because this is still happening in hospitals all across the country and doctors and nurses are not speaking out and that is so disturbing to me I think that it's the word COVID that makes us look so crazy so conspiracy so we're not saying that it's not real I I would like to think it's questionable but I'm saying that they let them lay there till they call it sepsis and they didn't treat it.
• 44:49
  They let them lay there with sepsis and no they knew it and they didn't treat them in Andy's records I found yesterday it said um in protocol no active order gonna be done or something like that.
• 45:02
  I can't remember the exact words but it's sickening that they can't even die and have their last chapter correct unless we are literally building a program to digest these records put them in order in the time that they happened and and tell us what happened you know it it's hard for us and when we finally found each other and we began building the records like I thought hmm well she did Andy's let's try with Larry and I didn't know how that would work I was worried I guess that she was going to throw them all together because you know I'm not an expert um and at first it got a little bit confusing but then I did another window with her and I put Larry in his own and I started feeding those records to her well I do it through the the computer um Jenny had emailed them to me and then I fed them to her and she starts just showing me that the the things that were just like Andy's records is even saying he's a very sick man like the exact script and I guess Kim really that's one thing I want to ask you is did they give you all like a book and say here's the answers to the questions you may have how was that script all around the world how was it identical?
• 46:19
  Yeah there's I I will say that and that the reason that I had left my you know I had left the bedside as an ICU nurse because I could my heart could not take it anymore watching them murder my patients I had to walk away from the bedside I started working from home as a telephone triage nurse and what made me leave that job was the fact that they wanted me to recommend the COVID vaccine they wanted me to recommend it to children and we actually yes we had we had a script we had a scripted answer.
• 46:45
  So if somebody called in a parent called in and said hey you know I I'm I'm considering getting the COVID vaccine for my child is it safe and we had a scripted answer that we were to say yes period the COVID vaccine is safe and defective period and I refused to say that because there would be no way that we could possibly know that we did not have any data at that time.
• 47:08
  So right out of the gate it it's just it's a lie that's not informed consent and I I refused and I ended up resigning from my position over that um but yes to answer your question yeah we're we are given scripts yeah I didn't I don't know why I didn't think to ask you that so long ago because that's one thing that does stick in my head like because it's all around the world and I'm thinking okay this is Kentucky what the crap um but it's like that project mockingbird like if you listen to the news reports it's all the same everywhere you go right and it's it's kind of the same and that narrative gets pushed down and it gets pushed down from like the NIH or the WHO or the FDA CD, whoever the powers it be it all kind of comes down that it goes to the hospital administrators then it comes down to the doctors and to the nurses it all just kind of funnels down from the top and everybody's just following orders and they're following a protocol.
• 48:00
  They don't even know why I would ask the doctors all the time why are you doing this?
• 48:05
  Why won't you give your COVID patients ibuprofen they're coming in they're sick there it's a respiratory virus but you know so there's not anything we can do about the respiratory virus but what we do is we mitigate the damage.
• 48:18
  So we mitigate the we give steroids we give anti-inflammatories but they would not allow that during COVID.
• 48:24
  So I would ask the doctors why why why is ibuprofen contraindicated in COVID patients and they didn't know that one was in there a lot contraindicated because I thought it was contradiction for the longest until I started to look at it Janie's husband actually had uh Viagra several days um in a row while he was there um which and he didn't but and I don't and Jim didn't but that that was the first but you know with Echo it is a way for us to get some answers it's a way for us to give some answers it's a way for others out there to have hope um to know they're not crazy.
• 49:00
  To know they're not crazy.
• 49:01
  Um, that's it's it's important that we still yeah.
• 49:01
  Um that's it's it's important that we stick yeah um you know so it's a platform it's built by families who lost loved ones under questionable hospital circumstances um not necessarily COVID because it's still going on and I don't hear a lot about COVID anymore.
• 49:05
  Um, you know, so it's a platform it's built by families who lost loved ones under questionable hospital circumstances.
• 49:12
  Um, not necessarily COVID because it's still going on, and I don't hear a lot about COVID anymore.
• 49:18
  Um, but we do we take the the medical record timeline and the lived experiences and we break them down so people can actually understand what happened and and jog their mind and kind of get those days that's all in one cluster broke apart to where it kind of makes sense for them.
• 49:18
  But we do we take the the medical record timeline and the lived experiences and we break them down so people can actually understand what happened and and jog their mind and kind of get those days that's all in one cluster
• 49:32
  Um we're not gonna argue with anything yeah about something that Ellie said.
• 49:39
  Yes, he was talking about where he was given um Viagra.
• 49:43
  And they came in and they gave him the first dose.
• 49:47
  Now, this was after the 10 days.
• 49:49
  This was the second 10 days that they said he had to stay in isolation.
• 49:54
  They gave him the Viagra and it caused a fib in the records.
• 49:59
  It plainly says he refused to take it again.
• 50:03
  They gave it to him three times a day for the next four or five days, and then his body was wore down.
• 50:15
  And then started the Adaban and the morphine.
• 50:19
  And to me, all they did was euthanized him.
• 50:24
  Yeah, I agree.
• 50:25
  And yeah, they they had the patients everything.
• 50:30
  Yeah, they had patients on such strong uh sedatives, and then they would say, Oh, we can't get them off of the ventilator.
• 50:37
  Well, of course you can't get them off of the ventilator because you have them so snowed with drugs that we can't we can't get them to wake up long enough to uh try the breathing trials.
• 50:48
  So day after day after day, they would be like, nope, can't they?
• 50:51
  They failed the breathing trial again.
• 50:52
  And I'm like, well, why don't you try to turn off their sedation and then we'll go from there?
• 50:57
  But it was like day after day, these things that were were normal in ICUs, like we would we would do the uh sedation vacation, we would uh tight, you know, uh decrease it and then do the breathing trials, like those things didn't happen, and it was blamed on oh, everything's so crazy here, or we have too many sick patients or whatever it was.
• 51:16
  Um, these patients were murdered.
• 51:18
  They and there's no nice way to say it.
• 51:21
  There isn't without a death.
• 51:23
  Yes, exactly.
• 51:24
  Kimberly, there's 1.6 million people with COVID on their death certificate.
• 51:29
  And I cannot say that there are 1.6 million people that are aware that their loved one was killed.
• 51:35
  Right.
• 51:36
  It was the treatment that killed them.
• 51:38
  And um, we're hoping that more and more people wake up and reach out to us because there's power in numbers.
• 51:45
  Yes, definitely.
• 51:46
  We're we're creating a network of people to make change.
• 51:50
  We don't want this to happen again.
• 51:52
  So I've been spending time um lobbying for legislation.
• 51:58
  Um, for instance, for um the Essential Caregivers Act to Um allow an advocate in the long-term care facilities.
• 52:07
  And then I want to translate this to the Never Alone project um to be on the state level and have um advocates and um visitors in hospitals during um emergency states to not lock people out to not people there are people that died from isolation that um they're estimating additional deaths in um long-term care facilities for pure isolation.
• 52:31
  Failure to thrive.
• 52:33
  Yeah, failure to thrive.
• 52:35
  So um, so we we want to take actions to make sure this doesn't happen again and and keep networking and keep sending people to us so that they know they're not alone.
• 52:45
  And then um Janie has written a book to um Jane, tell them about your book.
• 52:51
  Yes, Janie, we are so excited.
• 52:55
  Well, uh I've I felt like the the prep act kept us from going to court to get a right to remedy for everything that happened.
• 53:05
  And so this is my testimony.
• 53:08
  They they can stop us from going to court temporarily, but they can't stop our testimony.
• 53:14
  Amen.
• 53:15
  And so I covered everything that happened to my my husband, including a lot some of the records, including his journal.
• 53:23
  It's all in there, and also my daughter's case, which happened a year and a half after my husband's death.
• 53:30
  Well, I'd love it if you would send me the links to everything.
• 53:34
  I will make sure that we include the links to uh to Janie's book and to how to get a hold of these amazing and incredible ladies because I know that there are people out here listening.
• 53:44
  And if you're questioning, if you've lost a loved one, if you nearly lost a loved one, and you're wondering, you know, could could this have been medical malfeasance?
• 53:54
  I can promise you it more than likely was.
• 54:05
  This happened, and we have to come together to ensure that it never never happens again because this was the greatest crimes against humanity we've ever seen.
• 54:14
  I know it's the greatest crime against humanity I've ever seen in my lifetime, and I'd like it to be the last.
• 54:19
  Um we have to teach the younger generation what to do, you know.
• 54:23
  Watch us, please.
• 54:25
  This is what you're gonna have to do.
• 54:27
  100% because I think that a lot of what we saw during COVID with the little the little small children in the masks and and all of that, it's like compliance training, and and they're they're also fearful, they have instilled such fear in this younger generation, and it is just heartbreaking to witness.
• 54:44
  So, yes, it's so important that we stand up and we stand in the gap for these young and vulnerable populations coming up because it's you know, otherwise we are not gonna survive as a as a society.
• 54:56
  We just won't um take care of it for sure.
• 55:00
  And we're we are actually out of time.
• 55:03
  I can't believe it always goes by so quickly, but um, please look for some uh sub stacks that are gonna be coming out that are going to feature Lori's story and Janie's story, and and we've we've got um Andy's story well documented um with the Andy effect.
• 55:16
  And I'm I'm gonna reshare those.
• 55:18
  I will include those links in the show notes that will accompany this episode.
• 55:22
  And I will encourage you, uh please, if you are questioning, you know, the uh situation that happened with your loved one or with yourself, please reach out to these women.
• 55:32
  They are gonna be an incredible resource to you.
• 55:34
  Ellie, Janie, and Lori, thank you so much for being with me today.
• 55:38
  Thank you so much for having us.
• 55:40
  Thank you.
• 55:41
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• 55:42
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• 55:43
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• 55:45
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• 56:00
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• 56:02
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• 56:03
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• 56:08
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