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Motion To De-Fur (w. PETA’s Ashley Byrne) · Brief Recess: A Legal Podcast with Michael Foote & Mélissa Malebranche

• 0:06
  Speaker 1: Welcome to Brief Recess. I'm Michael Foot, I'm Melissa Malbrand.
• 0:09
  Speaker 1: Today we're going to be talking about the Super Bowl
• 0:10
  Speaker 1: halftime show, whether or not cops on Long Island take
• 0:13
  Speaker 1: casher credit. Clinton's headed to Congress getting older with less
• 0:16
  Speaker 1: fucks to give about it. We have an interview with
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: Ashley Burne from Peta, and all your questions from the
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: DMS stick around.
• 0:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's like the overpriced sh chocolate.
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: I got a piece of pineapple and it was like
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  Speaker 1: twelve dollars. It was twelve dollars for a thing of
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  Speaker 1: pineapple at the at the corner store, and I was like,
• 0:38
  Speaker 1: you know what, it's the middle of winter. I feel
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: like I'm getting scurvy. I'm going to pay for the
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: I'm going to pay for the fucking pineapple. Yeah you do.
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: How you doing groovy? How have you been? Oh my god,
• 0:50
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen you. You look great? Are you ready
• 0:54
  Speaker 1: for the super Bowl? I mean this will air after
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: the super Bowl?
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  Speaker 2: But all right, so I'll say I am not a
• 1:01
  Speaker 2: sporty person. I did not marry a sporty man. One
• 1:05
  Speaker 2: of the things that when I was looking to meet
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  Speaker 2: somebody new because my previous long term relationship. He was
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  Speaker 2: really into sports and it was annoying. It was so
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  Speaker 2: annoying and Andre could give a shit. I love that
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  Speaker 2: for me. But we are going to watch because a
• 1:23
  Speaker 2: couple of reasons. I'm super excited about Bad Bunny. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: I love that he's performing.
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  Speaker 1: I think they'll maybe be some sort of political statement
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  Speaker 1: or something.
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  Speaker 2: And it's going to be really good. The Seahawks, I believe.
• 1:38
  Speaker 2: Is it the Seahawks?
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  Speaker 1: Sure, but the Seahawks. I only know the teams from
• 1:41
  Speaker 1: heated rivalry.
• 1:42
  Speaker 2: I know this is not the same. But the owner
• 1:45
  Speaker 2: of the Seahawks is a woman, and she's quite progressive
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  Speaker 2: and she's made some cool donations and stuff, as opposed
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  Speaker 2: to the guy from the other team, which I don't
• 1:54
  Speaker 2: even know, is apparently a huge master.
• 1:58
  Speaker 1: We do the Gay super Bowl, which as we go
• 2:00
  Speaker 1: to Trader Joe's because it's empty. So that's fine that
• 2:03
  Speaker 1: it's empty. It is empty. There's no one there on
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  Speaker 1: Super Bowl Sunday. If you want to see me, come
• 2:08
  Speaker 1: to the any Trader Joe's in New York City. I'll
• 2:10
  Speaker 1: be there. I'm cleaning up at the Trader.
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  Speaker 2: Joe's, but not in the morning because I have gone.
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  Speaker 1: No, you have to go during the game.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, but by then everything is gone. All the good
• 2:20
  Speaker 2: shit is gone. No good snacks. No, everything's great, everything's there.
• 2:23
  Speaker 2: They replenish, I have a great time. I'm yapping and
• 2:27
  Speaker 2: the cashiers that are so flirty. I'm just yapping with everyone.
• 2:31
  Speaker 2: One put his hand on my lower back with the.
• 2:35
  Speaker 1: Escorting he handed me my back can then put his
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  Speaker 1: hand on my lower back, and I was like, you
• 2:43
  Speaker 1: go service with a smile, you provide a correction.
• 2:45
  Speaker 2: Do you feel like it's too much? Sometimes not definitely
• 2:48
  Speaker 2: the hand on the back is too much, But like
• 2:49
  Speaker 2: sometimes I feel like they're talking me up too much?
• 2:54
  Speaker 2: How are you? You find everything? And I feel like
• 2:58
  Speaker 2: a hello?
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  Speaker 1: Right, and I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I also don't need you to comment on the thing.
• 3:03
  Speaker 1: You're hyping up, the little like sandwich crackers with.
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  Speaker 2: The cheese and the favorite.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah right, it's easy. We're all here because we're broke
• 3:10
  Speaker 1: and it's two dollars for a game. But no, I
• 3:14
  Speaker 1: won't watch the game, but I will be at Trader Joe's.
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  Speaker 2: You don't watch the halftime show.
• 3:18
  Speaker 1: Not unless it's Beyonce.
• 3:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, well it's only been Beyonce one time.
• 3:21
  Speaker 1: And that was the only time I watched it.
• 3:23
  Speaker 2: Do you remember when it was Jackson's Booby?
• 3:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, yeah, watching, Yes, I was watching okay and
• 3:29
  Speaker 1: I saw the Booby.
• 3:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 3:30
  Speaker 1: I'm still gay despite it. Well, of course, and it
• 3:33
  Speaker 1: was a formative experience in my childhood. But I do
• 3:38
  Speaker 1: think that the way they treated her and the way
• 3:40
  Speaker 1: they treated justin Timberlake is a perfect example of misogyny
• 3:44
  Speaker 1: in America.
• 3:45
  Speaker 2: Not unbelievable, but yeah, basically canceled and he got off
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  Speaker 2: scott free.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and had like this whole prolific career after that,
• 3:52
  Speaker 1: and she.
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  Speaker 2: Was like getting what he's deserving now.
• 3:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah after that? Do we do you remember that?
• 3:59
  Speaker 2: I do actually where he I know exactly where he
• 4:02
  Speaker 2: got pulled.
• 4:02
  Speaker 1: Over me too, Yeah, yeah, I know, because it's Long Islands.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well but it's east where we go every summer.
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  Speaker 2: And I was just like, I know exactly where.
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  Speaker 1: He did that, and I know those cops don't give
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  Speaker 1: a shit about who you are. It was out in
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  Speaker 1: the Hampton the other.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the thing about it is, think about how
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  Speaker 2: many super duper wealthy people go through there. You think
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  Speaker 2: we're going to care about justin Timberlake.
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  Speaker 1: They do not this is going to ruin the world tour.
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  Speaker 1: This is what he said, This is going to ruin
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  Speaker 1: the world, and it did. He said what tour. The
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  Speaker 1: cop was like, what are you talking about?
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  Speaker 2: Who are you? Who are you?
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  Speaker 1: It was like twenty one and it was a second
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  Speaker 1: week on the job. I've been pulled over out there
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of times. So I'm just like as I
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  Speaker 1: am in everyday life. Imagine it behind the wheel. I'm
• 4:45
  Speaker 1: extremely erratic, I'm distracted. I'm you drive like that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I live my life as this, and sometimes it involves
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  Speaker 1: a motor vehicle. I'm not like drunk, I'm not.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not suggesting that, but you One.
• 4:58
  Speaker 1: Time I did have a sip of a drink at Ladies'
• 5:02
  Speaker 1: Night a PIMS, and I was it was much younger.
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  Speaker 1: I think I was like a teenager and I was
• 5:06
  Speaker 1: driving home and I got pulled over, and I was
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  Speaker 1: so nervous because I was.
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  Speaker 2: Like, oh my god, did you do a lot of
• 5:13
  Speaker 2: underage drinking?
• 5:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's why my brain just this kind of like a.
• 5:19
  Speaker 2: You know, what's really funny, I did not really.
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  Speaker 1: Nope, you don't give off that energy at all.
• 5:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know what that means.
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  Speaker 1: I just mean, you've seen my mother has lived.
• 5:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, mother has lived from her twenty twenty one onwards. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know what it is. I think because drinking in
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  Speaker 2: my household was not a big deal, and if something
• 5:39
  Speaker 2: special was happening, I was allowed to have a glass
• 5:41
  Speaker 2: of champagne, do you know what I mean. So there
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  Speaker 2: was never like this feeling of like I am dying
• 5:47
  Speaker 2: to get my hands on a drink.
• 5:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, No, it was the opposite for me. We
• 5:52
  Speaker 1: were drinking and partying a lot when we were kids.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like that's a very suburban thing. Yeah, to do,
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  Speaker 2: not to say that is in the city, don't do that.
• 6:01
  Speaker 2: But like all my cousins who grew up in suburbia,
• 6:03
  Speaker 2: they were drunk all the time, and they were going
• 6:05
  Speaker 2: to parties and they were getting I'm just saying.
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  Speaker 1: Just stumbling into home room.
• 6:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was not Yeah, that wasn't my experience.
• 6:13
  Speaker 2: It was not an interest at all.
• 6:15
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I loved it. I used to hide vodka
• 6:18
  Speaker 1: in my closet. Vodka and it was and it was
• 6:22
  Speaker 1: anytime we traveled. I would go to off like the
• 6:24
  Speaker 1: cheap ship. So when we were abroad, I'd go to
• 6:27
  Speaker 1: the duty free store in the airport, and I would
• 6:29
  Speaker 1: buy bottles of cheap vodka and hide them in my
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  Speaker 1: suitcase for my parents.
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  Speaker 2: Well wait, at a duty free they were letting you
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  Speaker 2: buy it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, in countries and other countries, And so then I
• 6:39
  Speaker 1: guess I was sort of like a smuggling ring. I
• 6:41
  Speaker 1: was running out of my closet and I would smuggle
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  Speaker 1: it back into the US and I hide it in
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  Speaker 1: my closet and then I would pour it into like
• 6:47
  Speaker 1: a thermost and bring it to friends parties.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we've learned something about Michael. It's so weird to me.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, when I did, when I did get pulled over,
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  Speaker 1: it was I was so nervous. I gave him my
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  Speaker 1: credit card instead of my life sense.
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  Speaker 2: Did you think you did? He think you were trying
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  Speaker 2: to bribe him? Take my hammocks?
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  Speaker 1: Excuse me, sir, do you take master card?
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  Speaker 2: No? Wait, I think I have a discover.
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  Speaker 1: Imagine bribing someone in such a shit way. What a
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  Speaker 1: bad way to bribe someone?
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  Speaker 2: Did you get in trouble? How old are you?
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  Speaker 1: Sorry? I didn't have any cash on the officer, and
• 7:23
  Speaker 1: so after I gave him the credit card, I was like, oh,
• 7:25
  Speaker 1: he knows him wasted, like and I was, and I
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  Speaker 1: really wasn't, but I was like, I've had some alcohol
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  Speaker 1: and I didn't know. I mean, I was a kid,
• 7:33
  Speaker 1: and so I was sure this was going to be
• 7:37
  Speaker 1: Shawshank Life in Prison, No Corolla, dead Man.
• 7:41
  Speaker 2: Walking ata atticaica truly.
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  Speaker 1: And so I called my mom when he was running
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  Speaker 1: the plates okay, because I was like, mom, I gave
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  Speaker 1: him my credit card instead of my license. Like I'm
• 7:52
  Speaker 1: totally going to the clinking, so you know, in my mind,
• 7:56
  Speaker 1: I'm already picking out like what colored my coffin's going
• 7:59
  Speaker 1: to be. And so I call my mom and she's like,
• 8:02
  Speaker 1: you idiot, you're so stupid.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
• 8:05
  Speaker 1: She's like, call me back after you get a ticket
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  Speaker 1: so I can make sure you're not in prison. Like,
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  Speaker 1: call me back in ten minutes.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 8:11
  Speaker 1: So he came back and gave me my credit card.
• 8:13
  Speaker 2: Wait, he took your credit card, No.
• 8:15
  Speaker 1: I mean my license. Eventually I gave him my license.
• 8:18
  Speaker 1: See that's how easy it is to mix it up.
• 8:20
  Speaker 1: And he was like, you know, here's your license back,
• 8:22
  Speaker 1: and you know, don't be a shitt a little kid,
• 8:24
  Speaker 1: don't fuck up. And I was like okay, cool. And
• 8:26
  Speaker 1: so I call my mom back and I'm like, hey, I
• 8:28
  Speaker 1: got off, it's fine, and I'm pulling out of the
• 8:32
  Speaker 1: side of the country road. Not one but a family
• 8:36
  Speaker 1: of raccoons runs in front of my car.
• 8:40
  Speaker 2: Did you hit one of them?
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  Speaker 1: Bitch? It was the red wedding, every single last one
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  Speaker 1: of them. I don't know, I'm swerving trying to was
• 8:49
  Speaker 1: like frogger, Like I was trying to avoid these fucking
• 8:52
  Speaker 1: raccoons and they're I want to say that, they were
• 8:55
  Speaker 1: like leaping in front of the tires. It was like
• 8:57
  Speaker 1: a full kmakaze, like a like a group suicide raccoon. Yeah,
• 9:02
  Speaker 1: it was like that Jim Jones group suicide kool Aid
• 9:05
  Speaker 1: situation with a family of raccoons. Nineteen year old Michael,
• 9:09
  Speaker 1: A little bit of tequila, a cop right behind me,
• 9:11
  Speaker 1: as the cop saw you hit, and my credit cards
• 9:13
  Speaker 1: out Like that was the truly formative experience for me.
• 9:17
  Speaker 1: I'll never get over it.
• 9:18
  Speaker 2: I don't like those animals either.
• 9:22
  Speaker 1: This is sidebar. We're going to get into a little
• 9:24
  Speaker 1: something personal professional that's happening in our lives right now. Okay,
• 9:27
  Speaker 1: did you have a moment when you were like twenty
• 9:29
  Speaker 1: five twenty six, where you fully developed your brain and
• 9:31
  Speaker 1: you realize you started to really experience fear and consequences.
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  Speaker 2: I think I was a little bit older.
• 9:37
  Speaker 1: Really okay, so late bloomer.
• 9:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 9:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they say the brain develops at twenty five.
• 9:42
  Speaker 2: My mom has said, because I did everything late, right.
• 9:46
  Speaker 2: I graduated college as an adult, I met and married
• 9:49
  Speaker 2: my husband as a grown ass woman. All this sudden
• 9:51
  Speaker 2: and just sort of my life got together when I
• 9:54
  Speaker 2: was older, and my mom was like, Melissa, she's a
• 9:57
  Speaker 2: little bloomer, but she blooming.
• 10:02
  Speaker 1: That's so good. Did you say that recently or at
• 10:06
  Speaker 1: each sort of like life milestone.
• 10:08
  Speaker 2: Each like at a milestone, even my aunt when once
• 10:12
  Speaker 2: you get shout out to don't you get also just
• 10:14
  Speaker 2: like you might let bloom.
• 10:15
  Speaker 1: My baby, it's the toast at your wedding pretty much.
• 10:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think have you ever watched them that
• 10:21
  Speaker 2: movie My Big Fat Greek Wedding?
• 10:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, of course, my mom's side of the family is Greek.
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: So that is the the Bible that is vers of Testament.
• 10:30
  Speaker 2: So there's a scene in it where the woman is
• 10:34
  Speaker 2: she's going to marry this guy and her family meets him, and.
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: Just like we think this day.
• 10:38
  Speaker 2: We never come like and I'm pretty sure my parents
• 10:43
  Speaker 2: felt like I was a lock case.
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: I was at a wedding once of someone who was
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: a notorious bachelor, and the best man toast was congratulations, Ashley,
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: twelve hundred and thirty seven, must be your lucky number.
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: What the fuck? I'd be so bad off at that, guys,
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: and it was your life.
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: It was cray.
• 11:03
  Speaker 2: This is when I would fake snie This is when
• 11:06
  Speaker 2: this is where I would fake snees because that would
• 11:08
  Speaker 2: make me feel so uncomfortable.
• 11:11
  Speaker 1: At the fakes news at the No.
• 11:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's when I would fake snees.
• 11:16
  Speaker 1: Ha ha ha ha, chilling laughter, because he really was.
• 11:22
  Speaker 1: And I think, I honestly don't think they're still together.
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: I mean still man, Actually they're not. They're not.
• 11:28
  Speaker 2: Why why do you look so happy and excited about that?
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: It was just like, I'm excited that I actually remembered
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: because this is, you know, a very distant, tangential person
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: that I went to their wedding. I just remember I
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: danced to the Carly rad Jepson song. It had like
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: just dropped. It was like twenty ten. Call me, maybe
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: I just remember dancing to that.
• 11:45
  Speaker 2: You don't remember that. This is so ridiculous, but core memory.
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: Colin Powell was on Colin Powell was on CBS this
• 11:55
  Speaker 2: morning when Charlie Rose was still on that show.
• 11:58
  Speaker 1: This is like you're pulling words out of a hat
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: and Carly rod Jepson too much, I don't know.
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: And they started saying it to each other on air,
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: and it was so funny, two old men. Well, Charlie,
• 12:13
  Speaker 2: call me maybe, like.
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: I just met you signing off. Here's my number.
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know where I remember that, but I do.
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: It's really funny.
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: Charlie.
• 12:25
  Speaker 2: Whatever happened to him?
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: Is he alive?
• 12:28
  Speaker 2: I think that he is alive. But he got let
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: go from that show very for doing some Matt lower
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: ish type stuff.
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: Oh no, I think so.
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: You know who never got the Matt Lower treatment, who
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: just retired and is wonderful and living his best life.
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: The guy from the Price is right, Bob Barker.
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: He's dead.
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: God damn it. We'll be right back. I got to
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: do some quick googling. Well, he was retired, he did
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: a great job, he was and then retired and lived
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: his best life. But he never got canceled. There was
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: never a Bob Barker.
• 13:00
  Speaker 2: I don't think there was. There was a scandal, but
• 13:03
  Speaker 2: it didn't. It was not career ending.
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: He like didn't spay or neuter his one cat and
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: then got canceled for that. What was his cancelation show?
• 13:12
  Speaker 2: That show was like core memory, you're you're sick, the chicken, the.
• 13:18
  Speaker 1: Taste of the thermometer in your mouth, the mercury from
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: the thermometer in your.
• 13:21
  Speaker 2: Fucking jail, A sleeve of saltines, and.
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: Bob bark salteenes. I saw someone on TikTok they did, oh,
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: let me get your file, and they just start flipping
• 13:29
  Speaker 1: through a row of saltine crackers in the sleeve. I
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: thought that was so good. I thought that was so great.
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: It was like, this is my legal filing system for
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: my legal practice. Oh, mel branch, is that under m
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: We'll be right back. This is your algorithm is showing.
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: We're going to talk about all the weird, crazy things
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: we're seeing in the news right now. I want to
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: talk about Hillary Clinton recently tweeted it broke the gay
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: Internet gay Twitter appssolutely when the tops, the bottoms, the
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: verses all freaked the fuck out about Hillary Clinton. So
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: they've been trying to pressure her and Bill to testify
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: in like the Epstein right in front of Congress, because
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: they keep dropping files and then they drop more and
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: then they say, oh, those were redacted, and then they say, oh,
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: well this is the last one we promised, this is
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: the last drop, and then they drop it and then
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: they redact everything except like the victim's confidential information and images,
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: but like, of course, protect all the white rich powerful men,
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: and so in it, Bill Clinton was named a bunch.
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: And so they keep Republicans keep threatening, Oh, we're going
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: to make the Clintons come in and testify. We're going
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: to suppear in them. They're like okay, literally yeah, they
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: were like sure. So they did it again after this
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: last drop, and Hillary was like, Hillary tweeted, so let's
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: stop the games. Oh, dramatic reading, dramatic reading.
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: Let's stop the games. If you want this fight, Representative
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: James Comer, let's have it in public. Oh talk about transparency.
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: There's nothing more transparent than a public herrying cameras on
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: will be there. I love that shit.
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: Watch your feet. The mic is dropping Hillary Clinton right now.
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: So I so now all the Republicans are like backtracking.
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: They're like we actually don't want to hear. No, we
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: don't have to come. It's we're good, it's okay, it's okay.
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: And she's like, no, bitch, come on, no way, mom way, Yeah,
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: she called her.
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: This is the Hillary Clinton version of earrings off.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: That going on. She's got her rollerblades on, she's flying
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: her Capitol hill.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: I love that. Would love to see this.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: And it is a little bit of the fanfare sort
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: of public drama that Trump lives for, except it will
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: completely implicate him. So you that's how you know he
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: is so guilty of everything in the Epstein files, and
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: so the things that people are saying about him and
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: the files are true because he's not leaping at this opportunity. No,
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: he hasn't said anything about pr firestorm. This is like,
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: truly what we know about him is that he dreams
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: of shit like this, A dramatic public congressional hearing with
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: the Clintons. Let's get let's sell the ad time, let's
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: get the ad buys going, Let's get like brought to
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: you by.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: How can we monetize this?
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like that is something he completely lives for.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: I wonder what do you think before she sent this tweet.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: Do you think she had a moment where she yoked
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: up Bill by the neck? Just him up. I love
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: a good yoku, just a good yoku, I think, and
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: was like, what's a fucking yokup?
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: Commit looks like it by the scruff. Oh no, okay,
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: I got this. Come in here, sir, you're in my
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: camera line.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, tell you something. That's a yoga.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Murder on the dad's FLOORA that's a young She got him,
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: She got him the college.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: I remember there was before right when the Monica Lewinsky
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: thing was had come out, Hillary Clinton went on the
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Today Show and.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: She snapped her crylics off.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: And she said, this is a right wing conspiracy against
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: my husband. Dun't dunt dunt dum.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Well, history, history, let that one tell us what really happened. Correct.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: So I feel like she probably has said to him,
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: he did that ship to me once?
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Bill, Yeah, for me once. So I want to know,
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: play stupid games, win stupid press, and so she yeah,
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: I do think.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: So, what is the conversation that happened in that house?
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Did I hurt you?
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: No?
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: No, I just like it was shocking.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: A good yo cup and I'll get before.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: She tweeted that she did that. But I do think
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: she probably has on staff, like a twenty four year
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: old twink who's like knows the Repaul's drag race vernacular
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: to sort of help her with these kinds of tweets
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: to be like, Okay, Diva, miss Boots, we're coming to
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: gather your ass for.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Me, right, yeah, yeah, hunty hunt hunty. Look but seriously,
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: there must have been some kind of a conversation. Yeah
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: that happened in that household, sure, and she was just
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: like all right.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, I think so let's get her on the show.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: She won't come, let's ever yoke me up live? Wait,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: what's on your algorithm? Anything?
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: No bbls although anyway, no bbl anyway, but just still,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: I gotta I have to like stop engaging with it
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: because it's making me so Now what ends up happening
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: is that I am now looking at my face, right,
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: and I'm looking at all the things that I would do.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: And while I I don't think there's anything wrong with that,
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: I haven't decided if that's the person that I want
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: to be, do you know what I mean? But if
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: I were to be that person, the time is now,
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: because if you wait too long, it's too late. It's
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: too late. I remember. It's really funny. So I have
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: my dad's neck, is what I realized, Like things that
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: run in families. Get your mother's hid right exactly. And
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: I remember about ten maybe fifteen years ago, my dad
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: went to a plastic surgeon to get really yes, because
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: he was sensitive about it, like his bottle, and he
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: went for a consultation and whatever whatever astronomical fee that
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: they told him. He was like, all right, I guess
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna live with it, like whatever they say. But
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: he had a little folder and they gave him all
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: the things and I was like, pop, really he was just.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, that is so I went to see that's.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: No.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Sure. I feel like if people, if there's like something
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: that you're insecure about that you really want to change,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: like go for it. I love that.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: But I think, and I think about this a lot,
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: especially as I've gotten older, is what is wrong with
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: getting older?
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: And why does it bother me to look at my
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: aging face and feel like I should fix that?
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Yes? Right, it's absolutely something that is taught to us,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: and it certainly, I mean, I'm sure there are many
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: more qualified people that can speak to how, you know,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: we treat aging and youth and the values and how
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: it's just like so pervasive in every part of our society.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: But even if it is this thing that we should
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: have never gotten, we still have it this insecurity. So
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: what you sort of do with that is up to you.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: I mean sure, And there are some things like many
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: men wouldn't have a bald head. They would be like,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: I'm so insecure about that. I'm going to go get
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: that fixed immediately, right, And that's not something that bothers me,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: but other things bother me where I'm like, oh, my
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: skin is like looking And then I go to the
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: dermatolgist and they're like, oh, what if we did like
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: a chemical pill or lasers or something or and I'm like,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Chemical pill just sounds so dramatic, like
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: I'll just buy something over the counter. But everyone has
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: their own sort of reference point of what.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: One has a thing.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: And the thing about it is is that if I
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: was so fussed about looking older, I would just color
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: my hair, right.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: I was going to say, like I talk to people
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: women about oh, I could never color my hair, Like oh,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: people will say to me, like your co host Melissa,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: her hair is so beautiful, and I'm like, yeah, you
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: would look great with gray hairs. So many people would
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: and they're like, oh no, I never could. I never could, never, never, right,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, okay, yeah, you just said it
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: looks beautiful and great.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: No, but I mean it is one of those things.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: And when I when I stopped colling my hair, I
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: got a lot of shit for it from like my family.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: When you stopped colored, When I stopped coloring, what was
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: the narrative?
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Why would you do this to yourself?
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Okay, it's going.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: To look ugly, it's going to it's no, and you're
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: going to look old. I had this woman who used
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: to be my boss, who I adored, and she was
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: just like, I think that's career suicide.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Wow yea yeah, yeah what is this recent? Like what
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: year was this? These are the fucked up things people
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: said a long time ago. I'm I mean not that
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: long ago.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: I was in my mid forties. I'm almost like.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Ten years ago. Yeah, less than ten years ago.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was before I got married.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: So yeah, wow, So like twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Twenty, I think I went Gray twenty sixteen.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's not that long ago.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: So there's still like other people, I.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Think, I feel like I see a lot more women
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: who are allowing to themselves to just go great naturally,
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: But it's a big deal. Nobody would ever say to
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: one man you should color your hair.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: If you stop coloring your hair, never women will not
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: find you desirable. It's career suicide. You're going to look old.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: On the contrary. Yeah, but women get this whole other narrative.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: It is what it is.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: It is what it is. Yeah. I did see that
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: our friend, Congressman Robert Garcia was in the news again.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: So this clip is from Robert Garcia. He's in a
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: proceeding and the victim of a shooting with ice is
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: called in front of Congress and what he shows are
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: these text messages from the ICE officer after he shot her.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: And so the officers is in the text reviews how
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: many times he shot her and says put that in
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: your book, boys, as if they are documenting in some
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: sort of sick way, how many times they shoot citizens.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Well, if it's like there's like some kind of a
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: sick quota.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like a point system is it true that in
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: the bodycam footage, the CBP officer told you to and
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry for seeing this.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: The author told you to quote do something bitch before
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: he fired. Yes, it's disgusting, shameful, and it gets worse.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: MS Martinez.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: These are images of texts sent by the agent who
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: shot you, and they're actually were They're actually disturbing to read,
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: but I think it's important for the public to see this.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: The agent LinkedIn article about your shooting and texted, read
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: it five shots seven holes. I fired five rounds and
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: she had seven holes.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Put that in your book. Boys, Oh well, it is
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: what it is. Shit happens.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: I wish I was shocked.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: I am shocked just by seeing the words, right, Like
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: I was shocked by just seeing the words and hearing
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: the violence these text messages. The language used is so
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: it's like the language people use in video games is
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: how they're treating Americans, Like every day is January sixth
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: in this country.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Right, okay, But there's nothing about that that is surprising
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: or shocking to me. And I think to your point
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: that it's like people in video games, These are not
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: people that have gone through sort of your normal training
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: of a law enforcement person. This is some yahoo right
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: who probably, like you said the other day, probably couldn't
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: become a police officer. So it's basically a rent a
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: cop with a gun and a license to do whatever
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: they want, right, So, and they probably have spent a
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: lot of times because my theory is a lot of
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: these guys were like living in their mother's basement, eating
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: cheetos and playing.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: A lot of them are a lot of them are
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: convicted criminals. Some of them are on Megan's Law lists
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: where they are registered sex offenders.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: So none of this is surprising. None of this is surprising.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: And also the presidence of the United States talks like.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: That a reporter when undercover and applied to become an
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: ice officer that I did see and she was approved
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: in like two days.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: She has no time at all.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: She had a very unique name that if you just
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: googled it you would see she was a reporter and
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: she was approved and I think the background check didn't
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: even go through before she was onboarded as an officer.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: It was unbelievably fast, like.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: The Keystone Cops. It is, isn't It's like it's like
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: it is such a hot mess.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, It's so gross. I mean, this really pisses me
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: off because we have Democrats keep saying, oh, well, you
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: need to have body cams, you have to take your
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: masks off. That's what Hikeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer asked
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: for in exchange for reaching a deal on the package
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: for the latest budget. But that's not going to stop
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: them from brutalizing Americans. They're still going to be even
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: with their masks off, even with body cams on, they're
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: still going to be doing all sorts of insane things
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: in the streets.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: They don't care because they don't have to.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: That's what it feels like because there's no accountability.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Its exactly, there's no accountability, and they don't. And again,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: the President has made it clear, he's made it as
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: though he will have their backup. But it's like I
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: was saying the other day, I don't understand why these
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: people don't recognize that he does not give a shit
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: about you.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Remember the January sixth insurrectionists, He sold them for a dollar.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: He was like I They were like, oh, I'm at trial.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: They're they're charging me with federal charges. And he was like, okay,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: how'd you get this number right, Yeah, I don't know.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: I find myself drawn to, like what type of TV shows?
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Does this make you want to watch? To feel comfort?
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Like I find myself watching older TV shows just to
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: feel like close to the New York that Jerry Seinfeldt
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: lived in, you know, like just to feel close to.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: The New York with no black people in it whatsoever?
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Well, okay, like Friends Fair, Yeah, like Friends were there
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: no black people on Friends?
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: There was.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: I never really watched that show.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was one way later and I can't remember
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: who was dating her. It may have been don't remember. Yeah,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: I remember that. I can see that. I could see
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: the actress's face. She's Aisha Taylor Tyler.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, I love her.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Did you see that woman from Minnesota? She? Uh, I
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: don't want to mispronounce her name, but I believe it's
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Aliyah Raman.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Oh no, I didn't see.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: So she's on the autism spectrum and she has a
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: traumatic brain injury. And I dragged her out of the
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: car and she I guess she testified somewhere and it
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: was so upsetting to hear. And there is that there
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: is this feeling sometimes when you hear about things like
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: that it's like you don't want to watch it, you
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: don't want to hear it because you don't want to
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: take that in. But I think that we all need
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: to sort of bear witness as much as possible, like
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: that kind of thing will continue to happen.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: We are barreling towards a government shutdown right now, and
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: we're recording this a few days ahead of it being dropped.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: So apologies if I'm behind on the times when you
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: hear this, but things like that, I think you sure, Yes, Republicans,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: how could you ever let this happen? But Democrats, how
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: could you continue to let this happen? Right?
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: The weakness is nauseating to me.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer, Kim Jeffries already rolled back their statements about
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: masks and body cams. They were like, well, they were like, well,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: maybe yesterday the thing we wanted is not something we
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: technically want, but you know, maybe we're not sure we're
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: going to double We'll get back to you. They already
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: are walking it back, which is just unbelievable to me.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: So let's take a break. We've got our guest in
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: the studio. Yeah, you can't wait. Welcome back everyone, This
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: is under oath. We're here with Ashley Byrne, who is
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: the director of Outreach and Communications for PETA, which is
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. Her days
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: are filled with body paint, fake blood, and vegan donuts,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: so you can find her on socials that Ashley loves Mango.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, Ashley, and thank you for joining us.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Welcome to brief Recess. I love your bio. It's very
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: fun in whimsical. I'm glad you're really embracing like the
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: fun parts of your job. I imagine, how do you
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: sort of like take me through like how you spend
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: your days. I'm just like so curious what it's like
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: to work at an organization like yours, which you know
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: is very storied. I'm sure, Yes, that's a great question.
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: One of the things that I love about working for
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: PETA is that, I mean, really, no two days are alike, and.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Even when you think you have.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: A very quiet day ahead of you with everything you
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: know kind of structure, the next thing you know, you
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: could be doing anything from running through the streets in
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: Bushwick trying to catch a stray chicken to oh my.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: God, because people in Brooklyn have like barn like name
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: like backyard barns and farm stuff, and like they're there.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Also every now and then they'll be like a cow
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: or a goat that makes their escape, right like Flora
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: houses from live markets. So it actually happens quite often.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Like an actual market. Yeah. Interesting, Okay, I didn't realize that.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the news, right, I mean, and you know,
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: you kind of it's interesting because everybody's always rooting for
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: the animal.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: They're like, get away, get away, and then you.
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: Know a lot of the time people are probably going
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: to dinner and eating that.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Same get away. But it's like, wait, why were they
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: in that position in the first place. That does make sense,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: get away from who you know, like maybe from you.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: But but I mean the way I look.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: At it, though, it's kind of like it brings you
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: back to the fact that I think people ultimately are
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: for the most part, compassionate and love animals, and that
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: is a great part of this job.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: It's hard.
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: You see a lot of devastating things, you see a
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: lot of things that are hard to forget, impossible to forget,
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: but then you also see this incredibly kind side of people,
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: and you realize that at the end of the day,
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: most people not only like animals, most people love animals.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say that's part of one of the
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: reasons why you're here today is because we were talking
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: a bit about fur and vintage fur and whether it
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: was like good, bad, ugly, whether we support it, whether
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: we don't. Jerry seemed a little bit out and so look,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: I'll be like very honest with you. Your organization is
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: notorious for being very confrontational. I think that's in sort
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: of like the lifeblood of PETA, and we were shocked
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: to find the opposite when we touched upon fur, and
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: your organization reached out in a very kind, compassionate, thoughtful way, becau.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: So that was actually like, look, if someone is someone says, oh, Michael,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: watch out for so and so, watch out for so
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: and so. Whatever it is, whether it's Peta, whether it's
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: a person, whether it's that girl my sorority, I always say, okay,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: thank you so much, and then I approach it based
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: off what that person has said and done to me directly.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: That's really all you can do, right, is like, and
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: it could be very possible that somebody has had a
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: negative experience with an entity or a person or what
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: have you. But when you deal with that person, it's
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: a completely different experience. And I remember, you know, I
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: went home and I told my husband, I was like,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: we heard from PETA, and he was like, uh oh, yeah, yeah,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: And then I said, I'm like, it was really one
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: of the nicest letters that I've ever gotten.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Like barring activist organizations, like just generally people. Right.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: I love hearing that was. And I wonder because I
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: remember growing up hearing about PETA and it was always
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: kind of aggressive or or at least that was what
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: was in the media right for based on what I
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: was consuming at the time I was a kid. It
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: almost feels like Peter has gone through sort of a rebranding.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Or is it that we're learning more about what PETA
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: actually does. That's a great question, and I think it's
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: the latter. Honestly.
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: I think that very often people confuse the firmness of
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: Peter's message, I mean, just the strength of Peter's message
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: with Peter being somehow aggressive or unfriendly. And I mean
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: the fact is, yes, we are absolute about our message.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: We don't back down.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: We're you know, we're all about protecting animals, and we
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: don't apologize for it. But at the end of the day,
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: as I was saying before, we realize that most people
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: do not want to hurt animals. Most people support protecting animals. Now,
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: I would say the vast majority of people probably hurt
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: animals in a bunch of ways that they don't really
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: realize or they don't really think about, and we're here
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: to help with that. I mean, we see most people
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: as just needing more information. Now, if you're someone who's
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: abusing animals, sure, right, that's a different story. Yeah, for sure,
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: look out for Peter, watch out. But you know, even
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: in those cases, I think people don't realize that a
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: lot of the time. All the time, really, before something
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: gets to that national stage.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: We reach out to businesses.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Sure, behind the scenes, of course.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: Slightly, We ask if we can help, you know, we
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: try to change things in a constructive way. It's really
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: just when they dig their heels in and they say, nope,
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: we're going to keep abusing animals that you know.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: We do get off, yes, and I think people want
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: us to.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: But so I think that's a great question because I
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: think that shift in perception has a lot to do
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: with I think people's perception of animals is changing drastically.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: I think. So. I noticed that I make a lot
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: of videos about ice and DHS and how people are
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: being treated. And I will say when I make a
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: video about migrants' pets getting put in shelters because migrants
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: are being picked up, those get engaged with on an
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: astronomical level. Online. Everyone's very engaged around, especially people who
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: follow me and watch the message about immigration. But I
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: do see this like other audience opens up when I
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: start talking about animals, right, And I.
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: Think that's because it's something that hits home in a
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: very universal way. Because you know, so many people either
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: have a dog at home, a cat at home. They've
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: bonded with an animal at some point, and so it
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: hits them in this way that you know, transcends politics
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: and transcends you know, just a lot of cultural things.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: It's emotional exactly, yeah, because I mean, I think especially
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: with if you are somebody who has a pet, or
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: has had a pet, or have lost a pet, like
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: the love that you have for your your it's it's
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: your companion. Really, it becomes your companion. And when you realize, hey,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: somebody's poor animal is now feeling lost and scared, they
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: don't know where their person is. You think of yourself
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: and you think of the bond that you have with
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: your animal, and you're like, oh, that is just it,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: it's so wrong.
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, exactly, It's it's a truth that, like you said,
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: if you've ever bonded with an animal, you know, you
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: know what that animal is feeling. And it's Yeah, it
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: reaches people in a way that I think few things do.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: So just for context, what DHS and ICE are doing
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: is that when they detain someone, they usually leave the
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: animal where the family was. They don't call animal control,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: it doesn't go to a shelter. It usually becomes a
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: stray dog. And so if people are out walking their
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: dog in Minneapolis, Minnesota, the person gets picked up by
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: ICE and then the dog is left there on the street.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: And so there are these dogs that are the shelters
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: are sort of having to take in, or they're getting
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: lost and people aren't finding them, or they're trying to
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: call the person and they're being held in a detention
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: center so they can't answer their phone. So it really
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: has created this like animal crisis in many ways. And
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: I know we brought you on to talk about fur,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: but it just like became top of mind for me
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: because you know, I woke up this morning and it
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: was me my dog's head on his pillow next to me,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: and then my husband on his pillow like between us,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: and like, like you're saying, it really is this like
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: emotional thing that I don't we don't, we don't really
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: like think about it that much.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Your animal is your family, right, like absolutely, Like our
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: cat sleeps in the middle, hogs up the bed. And
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: you know what I think is so funny is like
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: you usually end up moving over to like and.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Your dog is all over your instagram, right mango.
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: Well, so my my instagram is named for one of
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: my former dogs.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: He did pass away, but.
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: Thank you, I mean, but also you know, I I
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: left that name there because he just obviously, like losing
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: him was devastating, but he also was just one of
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: the most wonderful things that's ever happened to me.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: And yeah, exactly.
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: All over all over my instagram. Just a wonderful shelter,
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: you know, shelter dog, like so many wonderful shelter We have.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: A rescue psychopath and I love him so much and
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: he's truly like a he is a convicted criminal, and
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: I love him so much, and like, honestly, it's much
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: more interesting and fun to have a crazy rescue than
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: it would be to have some like gorgeous, perfect pure bread.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: I'm like, he's got a real personality, Like he's a
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: true New Yorker.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: So I was going to ask her. I mean, like,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: people do talk about like PETA shelters, and I know
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: that there are I think, out of context rumors about
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: PETA killing animals and their shelters and all this stuff.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Do you want to go on the record and sort
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: of correct those people who are listening to this being like,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: I can't believe Michael had Ashley on. Don't you know
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: what they do? Yeah, love for you to gather them,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: get them right by the scruff. Let's talk about it exactly,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: all right, let's do this.
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: Yes, I am always thrilled for the opportunity to set
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: that straight. So PETA has a shelter in at our
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: headquarters in Norfolk, Virginia. It's a shelter that's services the
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: rural areas nearby in Virginia and North Carolina and for
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: people who aren't familiar, which I was not before I
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: came to Peta. I grew up in Los Angeles, I
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: lived in Washington, d C.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: I live here.
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: I really had not seen a lot of rural America before.
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: The areas that this shelter and our outreach workers service
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: are desperately poor, and the people living in these areas
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: lack access to resources that I think a lot of us,
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: you know, maybe living in Manhattan take for granted. Okay,
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: they very often, if you know, in cases where they
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: do love their animals, they very often don't have the
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: money to adequately provide for them in a lot of situations.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: And then you also have a severe.
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: Lack of education about animals, and so a lot of
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: people will get a dog, put them outside on a
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: chain as security or something, and pretty much forget about them.
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: They won't go outside and spend time with them, play
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: with them, they won't bring them indoors in snowstorms. Our
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: crews have actually been out for like literal months now
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: in this weather where most of us are like hiding
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: in our houses with the heat cranked up, just begging
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: people to bring their animals in. But when they won't,
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: providing doghouses and straw and anything they can to keep
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: these dogs warm because unfortunately, in a lot of these
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: places it's not even illegal to do what is unthinkable
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: to so many of us. And on top of that,
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: a lot of them aren't socialized because nobody ever spends
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: any time with them. They have no human contact. And
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: so again, our outreach workers do everything they can to
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: go educate people about how to take better care of
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: their dogs, provide resources, just do anything they can. But
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: in some cases it just falls on deaf ears or
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: they just get there too late, like you know, they
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: they eventually come to a house and it's too late
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: and they find dogs who are in such severe states exactly,
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: and so in that case, you know, sometimes then they're
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: finally actually breaking a law and they're able to have
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: animal control intervene, you know, basically say that the dog
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: is being relinquished to PETA and then Peter will bring
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: these dogs to you know, to their shelter facility and
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: will do what you know, in unfortunately, in too many cases,
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: the only kind option is to put them to sleep,
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: because you know, they're they're in a physical state where
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: they aren't going to get better, or the exactly they're
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: in pain. A lot of them are just so terrified
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: of humans, and so when they actually are dogs who
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: we think would have a chance of getting adopted, we
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: partner with local the local SPCA, and we'll bring the
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: dogs there. Because our shelter facility isn't actually it's not
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: what you think of, like when you think of a
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: shelter where people can like go visit, see the dogs,
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: play with them. It's really just like a facility at
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: our headquarters that can provide medical services and you know,
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: other things, but it's not actually set up for people
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: to visit. So if we think of dogs adoptable, we're
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: going to bring them to the shelter where families will visit,
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: where they actually will have a chance of getting a home.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: So those statistics when people were like, wow, look at
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: all the awful deaths happening Impedis facility, it was that facility,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: and it was just because it was those pets were
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: being adopted out to the SPCA, and then just the
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: ones that were not salvage of like right able to
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: be really adopted or cases where they could really survive
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: it sounds like exactly or being euthanized.
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: The other situation is we have a lot of people
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: from these areas who will bring their dog, their animals
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: in and there they'll say, you know, they'll bring their
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: animal when they are extremely sick, knowingly suffering, and they
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: can't afford to take them to the vet and have
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: them put to sleep. And having been in a situation
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: where I had to do that, yeah, and it was
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: the most devast devastating breaking yes, but it would have
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: been even worse if I had to watch my dog
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: suffer and with nothing I could do to help him.
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: I mean, just you know, And so we never turn
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: anyone away.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Anybody.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: There's an attorney on Long Island, and I will reach out.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: I want to get him on the show. But he
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: actually goes and sues people who treat animals poorly, dogs
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: and he's the dog lawyer. It's like kind of incredible.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: There's this awesome Times article will link to it in
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: the episode. And oftentimes, I mean, like you say, the
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: human in charge of the pet is really the problem.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: It's not the pet that bites the person, right, like
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: we and like we have many of us know this,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: but the judge is like, well, it's so clear that
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: this isn't the actual dog is the problem. It's the
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: person and the lawyer says a judge, if you signed
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: the arrest warrant, I'll make sure it gets execut for
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: the owner. And the judge is right, like the lawyers
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: sound something like that, that's record because it's so clear
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: that it's the person, not.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: The past, right, Yeah.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Exactly, So we go ahead.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I was going to ask. And the thing about
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: it is, I wonder because that please tell me there's
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: no way to prevent an abuser from getting another pet.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: That's a great question.
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: So actually, when we are able to actually you know,
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: get law enforcement involved and have charges brought against people
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: for extreme cruelty, neglect, et cetera, we do everything we
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: can to get these cases, you know, taken through the courts.
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: And one of the things that we ask for is
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: for the court to mandate that they cannot ever have
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: an animal again.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: It's part of the order.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: Now that doesn't always happen, but it's absolutely something we
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: ask for. And I think that there are places now
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: that are looking at the possibility of having an animal
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: abuse or registry, just like you have a sex offender registry.
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: And I mean that's we need that because the thing
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: is all too often You're right, people, people can go
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: and just buy another dog, buy another cat, and you know,
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: go through the whole same cycle again.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: You know, one other thing that I want to bring
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: up very quickly, because I'm.
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: Just so glad you did ask about this, is that
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: I think people don't realize that this kind of like
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: this misinformation, this this twisted narrative did not come about
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: on its own. It was engineered by a special interest
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: group that is funded by multi billion dollar industries that
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: make their money abusing ounts. And so you know, we're
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: talking about the meat industry, the dairy industry, you.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Know, the fashion industry.
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: Fashion industry. This the Center for Consumer Freedom is the
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: name of this organization. There are multiple organizations like this.
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: The Daily Show actually did a piece on them once
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: and called their founder doctor evil. And they don't just
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: come after animal rights groups. I mean they came after
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: mothers against drunk driving because the alcohol industry paid them
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: to gotcha. But so I think people should realize that
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: like this is actually a very like engineered, deliberate false narrative.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: It's very much like the woman gets called crazy because
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: she brings up the accusations against the abusers, right, yeah,
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: it is exacting.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: It is that is. That is the best analogy for
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: it that I've ever heard. Thank you, let me ask
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: you something, jump to something else per second. So I
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: guess the reason why Peter sort of picked up on
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: the conversation that Michael and I had had on our
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: show was that we had both said never going to
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: buy a new fur, but I love vintage. For I
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: had this coat that I had inherited from my aunt,
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: and I will tell you that I remember when she
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: bought this coat, and I probably was like ten years old,
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: and I know that for her, she was a single woman,
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: made her own money, and for her, the purchase of
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: this coat meant something to her. It meant that she
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: had arrived in some way. And when she passed away,
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: she didn't have any kids, didn't have a spouse, and
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: the thought of this coat ending up in the trash, yeah,
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: did something to me. I was like, well, we can't,
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: we can't just leave it. But I didn't think that
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: I was going to wear it. But then I was like,
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: if I'm going to have it, maybe I should wear it.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: And this idea of there's a difference between vintage for
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: vintage leather and new things, and this very kind letter
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: to us was like, we understand why you think that. However,
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: it really doesn't make a difference whether something comes from
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: nineteen forty six or twenty twenty six. I would love
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: for you to explain that to us. Explain that thinking,
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: because I think what a lot of people believe. Like
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: you said, people love animals. They don't like the idea
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: of an animal having been hurt, but there is a
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: feeling that it happened such a long time ago, and
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: this item already exists in the world. What is the
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: harm in my keeping it, having it, wearing it? Sure,
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: that's a great question.
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, I think, first of all, I would
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: say that for is a great example of something where
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: I think a lot of our of our relatives, a
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: lot of people we love, probably owned them, wore them,
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: wore them while cuddling with their dogs, you know, just
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: really like war them without ever thinking that they were
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: doing anything harmful. My grandmother's and my mother are both
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: examples of this. And I remember my mom looking very
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: glamorous in the eighties and these, you know, big fur coats,
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: and I wanted one and I had one. I got
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: one as a child. But fast forward, we know so
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: much more now than we did, you.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: Know, did it that time?
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: Of course, And as a result, furr has come to
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: be so synonymous with cruelty to animals that almost every
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: major designer has dropped it. Most major brands have dropped it,
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: that's true. Banned from the runways of New York Fashion
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: Week and London Fashion Week and several other international fashion weeks.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: Vogue won't publish it in editorials anymore.
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, it is truly almost universally seen as just
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: being unacceptable. Now, the problem with wearing vintage fur is
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: to kind of put it in the context here. It's
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: that's a precedent that these things are you know that
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: we're not okay with them, but well, you know, we
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: can live with the fact that they happened, instead of saying,
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: you know, no, like that the idea of having something
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: in my house that came from an animal who was
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: vaginally electrocuted, you know, or who had her skin ripped
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: off of her while she was still alive. I mean,
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: if that was if that was a Dalmatian coat, if
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: that was a Persian cap coat, I think we'd be saying,
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: get this away from me, like absolutely not, no, we
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: don't think that that kind of cruelty should be even
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: tacitly endorsed.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: It's less that like this actually killed an animal recently
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: and is continuing to contribute to an industry that is
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: killing animals, and more that like what it represents well exactly, okay, okay.
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I mean I think again, to put it
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: in context, I think most of us if we inherited
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: a piece of art from our family that was just
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: hideously sexist, you know, that was cruel or violent towards women,
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: or that was racist, we wouldn't say, well, it was
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: a different time and like hanging on the wall, we
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: would just want it out.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So what do you suggest people do with like
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: their vintage fur, because we have some fur for you
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: today that we would like to donate. But what do
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: you suggest the people at home, the people listening who
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: were watching, what is like the tea? What do you
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: do with that mink coat that you got from grandma?
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: What do you do with it? What do you suggest?
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: Well, so the story that you were telling is one
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: that Peta started hearing from a lot of people once
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: our fur campaigns, you know this is back before my time,
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: but started getting a lot of attention, and once people's
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: ideas about fur really started to shift. We started hearing
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: from a lot of people who would say, I'm not
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: going to wear this, but I inherited it from someone
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: I loved.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: It seems wasteful to just throw it away. What do
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: I do?
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: So we started a program where people could donate their
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: furs that they already owned, and then we would repurpose
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: them in a number of ways. One of the most
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: common has been we donate them to refugees or like
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: people living in refugee gems intents who are just literally
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: freezing and trying to stay warm from the elements. And
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: it's not when they put on a coat. It's not
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: a fashion statement. It's literally trying to survive. We've donated
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: them actually, in some cases to wildlife sanctuaries because sleeping
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: on fur is actually comforting for orphaned animals.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: This is what my mom did with our grandma passed away.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: My mom was like, I'm never gonna wear these coats
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: since she donated them to the local shelter and they've
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: let the puppies kind of sleep on them. It was
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: pretty cute.
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: I think it's kind of a way too, especially if
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: it came from someone you cared about, to honor them
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: and the fact that they certainly didn't intend to cause
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: any harm, but you know, to sort of bring things
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: into the modern era and also honor what we know now,
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: to have something good come out of something that really
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: is very sad if you look at how it came about.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: Point well taken. And I appreciate that explanation. I had
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: been thinking about this when I was when I realized
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: that you were going to come on. What do you
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: feel like is the overarching goal of PETA would Peter
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: like to see more veganism? Like what ideally? What would
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: you not? You actually or maybe yes, or maybe you actually,
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: but like, what what do we feel like Peter really
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: wants from the average person?
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: Sure, Peter's mission statement is that animals exist for their
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: own purposes, okay, and that they are not ours to exploit.
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: You know, that they ultimately exist for their own purposes
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: and not to be worn and eaten and used in
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: experiments and used for entertainment and commodified and just again
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: exploited in any way. And so I think what that
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: means for most people is that there are so many
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: areas of our lives where the average person they're making
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: choices throughout the day. I mean most most people now
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: who you encounter, who are encountering Pete's campaigns, have more
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: options about what they're eating, what they're wearing, how they're
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: spending their you know, recreational time than people have ever
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: had in the history of humanity. People like to ask
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: vegans and like animal rights activists a lot of the time, well,
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: what if you were stuck on a desert island, would
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: you know? Would you eat an animal? Would you wear
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: an animal? And the thing is, we're not talking to
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: that person stuck on that.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: Theoretical desert correct, correct, correct, We're talking to people who have.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: A whole foods right.
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know, you have stash, You have so
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: many options. So ultimately, we're asking people to just make
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: different choices. And for most of us that is literally
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: as easy as saying I'm going to eat this instead
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: of that, I'm going to wear this instead of that.
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: It's a small decision throughout the day. For us, it
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: is literally the difference between a lifetime of suffering and
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: a very violent death for an animal.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: And I'm glad, I'm glad you kind of like explained
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: that it comes down to, like a simple choice that
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: this isn't like, you know, an absolute right. It comes
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: down to, like we're all dealing with a lot. The
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: news cycles have been absolutely insane lately. How are we
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: all like surviving in this world? And like, how do
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: we also then try and think about how we are
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: being ethical consumers? How are we ethically you know, treating
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: animals right? And so I think thinking of it as
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: making a small choice, a small change here and there
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: when we can whatever is your personal individual circumstance, and
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: how you sort of start to incorporate those ideals if
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: you believe them into your life. When you did mention
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: refugees and first for them, we have someone called in,
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: So we have let people call in with questions, and
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: someone called him because he had a situation that he
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: wanted to kind of ask you about. So, if you
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: don't mind, we would love to play the clips CJ.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: If you want to, absolutely. Yeah.
• 56:55
  Speaker 5: My grandpa left me for a coat that is a
• 56:58
  Speaker 5: beautiful thing, but I don't wear it, and so I
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: donated it to the homeless guy on the corner and
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: keeping warm in the winter. You're going to tell me
• 57:07
  Speaker 5: that he has to throw that thing in the garbage
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: like whether the coat's in the garbage or in the
• 57:13
  Speaker 5: closet or keeping this guy warm. No animals are getting
• 57:17
  Speaker 5: killed either way, no one. It doesn't matter to the
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: animal what happens to their carcass.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: Like many many years down the line, just going to.
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: You're gonna take this coat off of this poor guy's back.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: Thank you for thank you for calling him. We always
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: love our sells listeners. People got very excited.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: But I think that that is the perception that people have, right,
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: Peter wants to take a fur coat off a homeless guy.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: You know, And that's that narrative you were talking about
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: rights where your organization is often portrayed in.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: Media, right, And I think it's more of a perception
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: right than reality, right, that Peter is not going to
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: suggest that you rip a coat off of a homeless person.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: You're going to actually do the opposite. But I but
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: I think if you had not said that to me,
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: if I had not gotten that letter, if I don't
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: think that I would know that. And I think that
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: that is also because of being afraid of what I'm
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: going to see when I log onto Peter's Instagram page,
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: for example, Am I going to see something that is
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: going to disturb me, and I don't want because I
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: think we feel this needs to protect ourselves. I don't
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: want to see.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: That we're disturbed. There are so.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: Many things that are really deeply upsetting that this is
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: not something that I want to see. So I may
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: not take the time to engage with Peter on social
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: media or go to their website or go to a
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: meeting or what have you, because I'm going to see
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: something that I cannot unsee. And once you've rung that bell,
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: it's permanently in there, and I can see why there's
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: a case for that and against it.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: I also think it's like what you said about like
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: making a small choice, Like that's very accessible and easy
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: for a lot of people. It's like, Okay, my small
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: choice is I'm not going to buy anything with fur
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: in it. Like that is like feasible and doable for me,
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: a busy person who's just like trying to make it
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: through the day without passing out. So like I loved
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: hearing that because it's like, okay, cool, Like I like
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: the pressure's off if I yeah, if I slip up,
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: like I'll figure it out. But like just being real
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: with people and understanding that people are humans and that
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: we're just trying to make it and get by is
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: like a very refreshing perspective. I think from what the
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: rumors and the bias that we came into this interview with,
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: I would say.
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: The thing is, I think we see it as part
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: of our job to make people aware of the choices
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: they have, aware of how.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: Easy they can be.
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: We work to make them more accessible by working with companies.
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: Just earlier this week, we launched an ad with Alan
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: Cumming where he's wearing all vegan leather. He has this
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: this leather jacket on, but it was it was an
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: All Saints jacket. I mean, it's something that anyone could
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: or I mean it's literally again one of those things
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: where it's like this or.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: That, So cactus leather hackt this leather interesting, I've never
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: heard of that.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: And actually, so if you go to PEDS social media, yes,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: you know we do have some things that are hard
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: to see, but we actually have a ton of information
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: about all the alternatives that people have and how amazing
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: they are. I mean, we have such incredible options and
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: the same goes for food and so that is you know,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: that's part of our job too. And that's something we
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: work at. We want to make these things available, accessible,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: like to show people how wonderful they are. That it's
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: not about depriving yourself of things. It's just about choosing
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: things that are actually better. And I think actually making
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: these little choices throughout the day is incredibly empowering because
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: if you look at the impact these choices have, I
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: mean they're small for us, they're big in their impact.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: I mean just the environmental impact you can have by
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: choosing a vegan meal, the environmental impact you can have
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: by choosing a vegan leather jacket, it's actually quite significant.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: And those things add up. And in a world where
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: everything feels so out of control, it's kind of amazing
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: to actually be able to wake up in the morning
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: and say, Okay, I can't change everything right now, but
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: I can.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: Have coconut yogurt.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: Yes, I mean it sounds it. Actually, it sounds like
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: what you're saying is it's not all or nothing. You
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: can make these small changes in your life, these small
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: decisions that will have a larger impact, and not doing
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: so doesn't necessarily make you like this evil person that
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: is going to come after in the middle of the night.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: And drag you out of your bed. No, and I know,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: but I appreciate that. And I think that I think
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: that this conversation that we've had and the fact that
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: Michael and I were talking about this great letter that
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: we because I was really I was really touched by it.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: And I and I've told everyone in my circle, be like,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: I got this great letter from Peta. Hear that because
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: it was a completely flies in the face of what
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: I think I thought Peta was like mean, angry. Right.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: That's always so funny to me because yeah, like everyone
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: I work with there literally the nicest people in the room.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: But again, if you're abusing animals, well you know if
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: you but if you're abusing animals, you deserve what you get.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So thank you for coming on the show. We
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: would love to give you this for to give to
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: a refugee, a homeless person, whatever you need to do
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: with that.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know you whatever, Actually you will
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: look at it and take it back to your office
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: and you will. It's a first dole and a I
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: think a lamb mm jacket okay.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: But very warm for maybe puppies or orphan like whatever.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: You thank you so much for making this choice, and
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: thank you for sharing it, you know, with your audience,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: so that they can actually think about this and and
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: think about whether they want to make the same choice,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: because it's so much better to have these pieces just
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 4: go to do something good in the world than it
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: is to just sort of have them as a skeleton
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: in your closet.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: Literally, do you want to tell do you want to
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: tell them where they can donate their furs if they
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: have them from their grounds?
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: Is it only fur or do you take other items
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: as well?
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: We we've had people don't donate other items, donate like,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: you know, exotic animal skin items and you know, even
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: leather items. But yes, So anyone who would like to
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: donate a fur or another item you know, made for
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: animals to PETE that doesn't really fit with their ethics anymore,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: it can go to our website peta dot org. We
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: have an entire page about our for donation program. You
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: can actually get a tax right off from doing it
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: because it's a donation. It goes down as a donation
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 4: to Beta. So all the information is there about weird
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: to send it, how to send it, and then how
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: to clean that right off.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Thank you for joining us.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: Yes, it was a great conversation. Thank you everyally. You
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: appreciate it. We appreciate it. Thank you.
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• 1:05:02
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• 1:05:04
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• 1:05:06
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• 1:05:16
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• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: going through some shit. But this is very publicized brutality
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: that has happened here before. This made me feel so old.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: George Floyd was killed when she was in elementary school.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: Oh my god. That's oh my, that makes me feel
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: really well.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. Now that I'm older, I'm able to
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: understand more about what happened then and recognize the impact
• 1:05:38
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• 1:05:41
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• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: was overwhelming, so I put them in bullet points and said, so,
• 1:05:46
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• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: parallels that you've noticed between George Floyd and the current shootings.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: Oh that's really interesting. I mean, have you seen This
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: is not a legal question, so let's jump in. I mean,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: I have certain I've been thinking more about like the
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: public outcry and the way that it has sort of
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: taken over media and everyone's conversations in social media. That's
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: the parallel I have really noticed, not necessarily in like
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: the way people are, but I guess they're very similar
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: in the violence against Yeah, I mean I think.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: I think the similarity that I am seeing is that
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: is sort of this collective outrage, right, and the people
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: who are outraged versus the people who are not. It
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: tracks right, right, So the person who would say, well,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: if George Floyd had just cooperated, then he wouldn't have.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: Been Yeah, those people are tragedy to tragedy, maintaining the same.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, And these are the same people who are like,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: well if they were here legally, well, if she hadn't
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: been in her car she tried to run him over,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: or if Alex pretty hadn't liked.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: Oh well, why didn't we fight that? Yeah? Why was
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: he why was he filming?
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: All of that really tracks for me. So it's the
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: same people who were not outraged about George Floyd are
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: also not outraged the best, right.
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  Speaker 1: And then the similarity of you know, officer person correct
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  Speaker 1: killing someone for literally no reason is the other.
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  Speaker 2: Man similarity that I see.
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  Speaker 1: Our favorite Minnesota and also asked how likely am I
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  Speaker 1: to witness something or be in a position where I
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  Speaker 1: have to do something. I mean, that's really hard to answer.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's changing every day. I would say that we're
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  Speaker 1: all witnessing things here all the time. I have a
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  Speaker 1: friend who put out on her stoop whistles for ice
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  Speaker 1: for people to take one to have on them in
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  Speaker 1: case they see ice. I know someone who saw ice
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  Speaker 1: trying to abduct a child on the New York City
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  Speaker 1: subway the other day and intervened and got them released.
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  Speaker 1: So it is unfortunately possible. It is certainly possible that
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  Speaker 1: you'll witness something or be in a position where you
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  Speaker 1: have to do something that is like a conversation between
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  Speaker 1: you and your parents. I do not want to be
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  Speaker 1: telling you what to do for sure, but I do
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  Speaker 1: know of some great volunteer organizations that you can reach
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  Speaker 1: out to who might be able to guide you in
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  Speaker 1: ways that you could be involved. I know that hands
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  Speaker 1: on Twin Cities dot org is a great one.
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  Speaker 2: And the other thing to our favorite teenage Minnesotian we
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  Speaker 2: are I have your email address. We're going to get
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  Speaker 2: back to you, and I'm going to share these links
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  Speaker 2: with you and also will put them in our socials
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  Speaker 2: sure and our show notes so that everybody has access
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  Speaker 2: to them, I would I really want to stress to
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  Speaker 2: you that it's really important. I hope that you're in
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  Speaker 2: a position where you can really talk to your folks
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  Speaker 2: about this stuff, because if you are under age, we
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  Speaker 2: want you to get their permission right. We don't want
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  Speaker 2: people want to go out there and get themselves in trouble.
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  Speaker 2: And the other thing, I had this thought, and I
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  Speaker 2: was wondering what you thought about this.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, I know.
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  Speaker 2: That you were really interested in doing something that is
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  Speaker 2: sort of immigration related. I do have an email out
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  Speaker 2: to an organization in your community to ask about that,
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  Speaker 2: waiting to hear back from them. But I wonder what
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  Speaker 2: you think about just this idea of volunteering in general, right,
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  Speaker 2: so that if you are not able to volunteer with
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  Speaker 2: a legal organization because you're too young, there's a part
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  Speaker 2: of me that feels like volunteering in general. It's sort
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  Speaker 2: of like the good deed gets passed one.
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  Speaker 1: You have no idea how many tangential nonprofits support my
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  Speaker 1: work that you would never even guess. I work with
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: the Center for Gender and Refugee Studies CRGS. I think
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: it is it's a I go to them for legal
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  Speaker 1: brief templates sometimes and I think it's like this group
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  Speaker 1: of researchers and librarians and legal brains who work at
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  Speaker 1: this nonprofit. And I'll have a migrant in a unique
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: situation with a very unusual background or something that they
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: are just a perspective or an issue that they're facing
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: in the court system, and it's a one of a
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: kind one and I bring it to them and I say, hey,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: I've got this client, this is what's happening. And they say, oh,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: here's a stack of ten other briefs where this thing happened.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: You can use them as a template. They redact everything
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: for me, and it makes my life so much easier,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: so I can then get to court quickly and help
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: that person with real legal precedent behind me. And a
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: lot of those folks aren't lawyers. A lot of it's
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: not even really like an immigration nonprofit. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: like a it's part of a university or college or
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: something like. I'm honestly not sure. Okay, So there are
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: so many nonprofits that have ways that you can help
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  Speaker 1: indirectly that really make a big difference. It doesn't have
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: to be and it could be local. It could be
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: helping at the local church soup kitchen. I saw some
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: awesome protesters. It was like all women over the age
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: of like seventy five that were all retirees, and they
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: worked in shifts protesting in my small town where I
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: grew up. Telling this, it was so cute and like,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: it's these little things that really are death by a
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: thousand paper cuts for fascism.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean there are a lot of things that
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  Speaker 2: I think you can do from where you are, And
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  Speaker 2: I also feel like you will likely be more successful
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: at whatever it is if you feel an affinity towards
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: the thing, right, so that if your thing is animals,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: Michael was saying that there are a lot of people
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: who are getting picked up by eyes, and those animals,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: the animals of those people who've been picked up, are
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: being dumped at shelters.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, go walk the dogs out the shelter.
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  Speaker 2: The dog at the shelter, you know, go socialize the cast.
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  Speaker 2: I think there are a lot of things that you
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: can do.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: And a lot of the people who are like, oh,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: there's nothing I can do a dread doom scrolling, Try
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: and do one little thing to volunteer, and I guarantee
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: you're going to feel better.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: You are going to feel better, try to make a
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: difference in your community. I thought this was really funny.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: It's something that she said. She My final question is
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: do you not have a pick? Do you not have
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: a profile picture for your email? Because I wrote to
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: you and I had no idea if I was writing
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: to the right person or not. You might want to
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: get on that.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: I love a teenager, and.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: I know and I love from your sort of your
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: gen X auntie, and you're a millennial uncle, your gunkle.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: Point taken, point well taken. We really need to get
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: a profile photo up there. All right, call exactly right.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: I get them on the phone.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: But you're you're going to hear from us directly, and
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: we really really appreciate you listening. We appreciate you having
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: this desire to be helpful, and we love that your
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: sort of optimism.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: She said. I love your podcast. I hope you don't
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: I don't see you in court was how she signed
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: the email. I hope you don't see me she or
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: they or he, I don't know. I'm not sure, but
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: thank you for writing in. That was tell us from
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: the DMS. We've got some other questions that we're going
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: to get you next time. I promise we're going to
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: get to them. I guess I'm gonna see you in court,
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: not me. Well, and now that Peter came on the show,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: what I'll just I guess I'll just say what my
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  Speaker 1: soy shape brings all the vegan voice to the yard.
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  Speaker 2: I hate you.
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